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Welcome to the finale episode.

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I'm your host, Pauline. And I'm Wes.

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And it is hot in this room.

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It is. Let's be honest with we're them. Well, because we're stubborn, we

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don't want to turn on the AC just yet.

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Because it's Missouri, it's the Midwest,

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you never know what you're gonna get.

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We It's like 90 today. We can get all four seasons in one

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day, so we didn't want to turn on the

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AC, but yeah, it's warm in this room.

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The window's open, so if

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you hear some alarms, or

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Background noise. Sirens, people, we apologize.

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Can you believe that we

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are finally at the finale?

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It's been a long road. Longer than probably most watchers.

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For those who haven't listened to some

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of our early episodes, Wes and I have

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been watching this just one episode

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a week, so that way we can really

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take everything in and do a podcast

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episode before moving on to the next.

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But we are finally here.

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Slow and steady wins the race. It's been a rollercoaster ride.

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Even though we said this is the finale

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episode, it is not a finale for us.

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We do have several more episodes

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planned for discussing this season.

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We're gonna do a season one wrap up,

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we, I think we're going to do an episode

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comparing the live action to the series.

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And then I even want to

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maybe do one about the movie.

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So we shall see. We'll see where this journey takes us.

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You talking about the movie that shall not be named? The movie that doesn't exist in Ba Sing

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Se, ladies and gentlemen, we may go there.

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We may need to drink

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something while we watch it.

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That'll be fun. If you guys don't want to miss out on any

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of those fun episodes that we have coming

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Well, are you ready to get

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into the final episode?

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Yeah, let's do it. We're here. We're ready.

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And we have a lot of thoughts. Okay, so let's begin by talking about

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the Episode Tea, just like how we

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begin talking about every episode. The nitty gritty details.

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So the finale is titled Legends,

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and it is directed by Jet Wilkinson,

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who directed the previous episode.

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It's written by Albert Kim.

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And just as a reminder, Albert Kim is

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the showrunner and he's not going to be

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the showrunner for the following seasons.

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Moving on to Percy Jackson, right? Yeah, but he's still going

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to be part of Avatar.

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I think he's just gonna be,

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I shouldn't just say just

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because it's still a big deal. He's going to remain as one of the

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executive producers, according to

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different articles that I've read. Um, let's go ahead and have you read

3:43

our episode recap, so then that way

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you can remind all of us what happened

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in this episode, because it was a lot.

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because Let's do it. In the season 1 finale, the Fire Nation

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launches a massive offensive against Agna

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Qel'a, unleashing their entire fleet. It proves to be too much for Team Avatar

4:02

to handle alone, and the Water Tribe

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prepares to defend their home and people.

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Katara persuades Pakku to allow the

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tribe's women to join the fight.

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However, the Fire Nation's strategy

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extends beyond a mere attack.

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Zhao confides in Iroh about the Night

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of the Ice Moon, and when the

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Ocean and Moon Spirit manifest. His plan?

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To assassinate the Moon Spirit,

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crippling the Water Bender's abilities.

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Meanwhile, Zuko sneaks into the

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Water Tribe city with hopes to

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once again capture the Avatar. Katara slows him down in a one on one

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fight, allowing Aang to confront Zhao.

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Zhao's sinister plot unfolds

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as he extinguishes the moon,

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stripping the waterbenders of

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their abilities and tipping the

4:40

scales in the Fire Nation's favor. In a desparate move, Aang risks his

4:42

own life and merges with the ocean

4:45

spirit, wielding the Avatar's might to

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transform into a colossal sea monster

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and devastating the Fire Nation fleet. With the Avatar being no more,

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Iroh finds Zuko amidst the

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chaos and convinces him to flee. Zuko crosses paths with Zhao once more,

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leading to a fiery confrontation, as

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well as a revelation that Azula was

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behind Zhao's moves and that Zuko

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is merely a pawn in Ozai's plans. Zhao meets his end at Iroh's hands.

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Despite the Water Tribe victory,

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Aang has lost himself to a tormented

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spirit, eternally searching

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for a partner he'll never find.

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Yue intervenes, offering herself

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as a new moon spirit, a noble

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sacrifice that restores balance, and

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Aang, but at a great personal cost.

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The morning after the battle,

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Aang, Sokka, and Katara take in the

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aftermath and resolve to press on

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with their journey to save the world.

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Back at the Fire Nation, Ozai reveals

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that the attacks on Agna Qel'a was

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but a diversion, allowing Azula to

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seize Omashu, bringing them one step

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closer to conquering the Earth Kingdom. The episode ends by introducing the

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imminence of Sozin's comet, setting the

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stage for the next chapter in the saga. The fight against the Fire

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Nation is far from over.

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Woo. Thank you for reading our

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final recap of this season.

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Yeah, I'm excited to get into this. The fight is definitely far from over.

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Are you ready to give our last

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cabbage rating for the season?

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Yes, I can't believe we're here already.

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Well, I shouldn't say already,

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it's taken It's taken over a month.

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so The cabbages are ripe and ready to be picked.

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be Yeah. Okay, so if this happens to be the

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first episode you're joining us

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on, Wes and I give what we call

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cabbage ratings for each episode.

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So similar to how Rotten

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Tomatoes does their ratings.

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Instead of Tomatoes, we just went

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with cabbages for obvious reasons.

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Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? I can go

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first. what is your cabbage

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rating for the finale?

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Okay, my cabbage rating is Drumroll

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Nine. Woo! Okay.

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Yeah. So you really liked I really did.

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I felt like from the beginning

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to the end, was action packed

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and had my full attention. That's a nine.

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So it hooked you. Yeah. What was your cabbage rating, Pauline?

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So mine was, or is, an 8.

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5. So it's still pretty

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close close to yours. Usually you rate, I

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think, lower than I do.

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But, I mean, not that 8. 5 is bad or anything.

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It's still one of my highest ratings

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that I've given for the season.

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But I did so because, the visuals,

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the lighting, the music, all of it

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just came together so beautifully. I will admit, it was

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going to be a 9 first.

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But the way that things were not set up

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well in the previous episode caused this

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one to suffer a bit and we'll get into

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that more when we really do our deep

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It was opposite for me. I mean, well because

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the last episode was so

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yeah you could like you said you could only go up Yeah, so I was like, oh,

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let's get this over with.

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But then, oh going I really enjoyed it.

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Yeah. Well that's good. I did enjoy it too.

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Don't get me wrong. But because the, this part in the cartoon

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was such a pivotal moment for me, while

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I did give it a high rating, I have to

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look at it very critically because of how

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important this episode was to me as a kid.

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So I can't wait to go over all of that.

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yeah. Do you want to go ahead and go

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over our personal key moments?

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Yes. And do you want to explain what

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our personal key moments are?

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Our personal key moments, we have

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the Avatar state, which is basically

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your best moment from the episode. We have a that's rough buddy

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moment because of our boy Zuko.

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Basically your worst

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moment of the episode.

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And then you have any honorable

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mentions you want to throw out there.

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Also for our boy Zuko and his honor.

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Okay. I'll go first this time

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if you're okay with that.

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So my avatar state moment was the whole

8:45

scene with the wall breach where Chief

8:52

Arnook, Hahn and several of the other

8:52

non benders were putting up their defense

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after the Fire Nation had come in.

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That whole scene was my favorite

9:01

because between the music, the

9:06

cinematography the action, the emotion,

9:06

everything came together so well.

9:13

And it really gave me, I keep saying

9:13

this in some of the episodes, but here

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it really gave me Game of Thrones vibes.

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You just really felt that scene. You felt the gravity, you felt the action.

9:24

The colors and or lack of

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colors really was awesome.

9:29

I just have to give Huge props

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to whoever the director of

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photography is for this episode.

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I'm assuming they have more

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than one, so I'm not sure

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exactly who it was for this one. This is what season two needs to be,

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embrace the dark, embrace the gritty.

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I can't speak for everybody because I

9:45

know not everybody likes, Dark and, um,

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Those dark moments uh, they like the bold

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and colorful, but I was like, this is

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what Avatar needs to be, this right here. Do you know what scene I'm talking about?

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Yeah, when Hahn tells them they'll

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hold them off while they retreat.

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Yes. I really like what they

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did with his character.

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At first I didn't like it, but

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this episode was great for him.

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Yeah, it was a brief character arc, but

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I think they did his character justice,

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and all the cinematic elements just came

10:17

together here beautifully, and I need

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more of it, and I wish there was more

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of it in some of the other episodes.

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So that was my Avatar State moment,

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I can keep going on and on about

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that, but I want to hear yours! Well, we can get into that later, right?

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Yeah! My Avatar State moment was, and I've

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done this before, but it was literally

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Aang's Avatar State, when he went in and

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walked into the water, and became one with

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The ocean Spirit. Yes.

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That was almost my Avatar State moment.

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Almost. It was a good moment. I love the ocean spirit manifestation.

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Koizilla is what the

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fandom likes to call it.

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That's its nickname. Koizilla.

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Okay, what about your

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That's Rough Buddy moment?

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It was hard to find one because

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it really was a good episode.

11:05

I mean, I was trying not to nitpick

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because of the last episode.

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I would have to say it was when the

11:08

waterbenders that came up to Katara during

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the battle at the beginning, and he's

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like, we haven't finished our training,

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but we want to do anything that can help. You didn't like that.

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Well, what I didn't like was Katara's

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like, Oh, okay, yeah go help with

11:27

that wall over there if you need me. It just, I don't know he called

11:29

her Master Katara and she was

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like, oh, I'm not, oh, okay.

11:35

And then that was it she

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just left them to die.

11:38

You would think that she would be protecting them. I understand that her story took

11:39

her elsewhere, but I thought that

11:43

was weird they were like we were

11:43

here to fight for you, almost.

11:46

Basically, it was like they were coming

11:46

to her and she was their commander.

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They should have went back to

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them at least one more time.

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And Katara was like, helping them.

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In some way. Right. I wonder, maybe there is more of

11:56

that, but maybe it got cut out, but

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I think that would've had more impact

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sure. um, And oh, for my,

12:03

that's rough buddy moment.

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I'm going to, maybe

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I'll get heat for this.

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If so, that's okay. I understand it was momo's near death.

12:13

You're insane, dude. Not that it's a that's rough buddy

12:15

moment because it's like, oh no, Momo.

12:19

But it was clearly just a plot device

12:19

and felt like it came out of nowhere.

12:26

I just think the execution maybe could

12:26

have been a little bit different,

12:29

but then it was clearly like, oh,

12:29

they need to get to the spirit

12:32

oasis somehow and to bring that in.

12:35

So I think it's just the way the context

12:35

was set up for Momo's heroic act is what

12:41

made that one a rough buddy moment for me.

12:44

But, like like I said, I know I'm probably gonna

12:45

get heat for this, and yeah, I can

12:50

understand if people disagree because

12:50

it was an emotional moment, and I feel

12:53

like normally I would have been all

12:53

about that, but it was a cheap shot.

13:01

So yeah. I don't get that.

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it was a beautiful scene. We'll talk about it more later,

13:07

because there is something positive

13:09

about it that I do want to talk about. Like I said, it's the context

13:11

surrounding why that happened I,

13:16

Okay, so since you brought up the

13:16

Oasis, right, can I tell you like

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my secondary That's Rough Buddy

13:23

Oh yeah, you have a runner up That's Rough yeah.

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Can we do me, Hit me with Okay. To get to the most sacred place in

13:28

the Northern Tribe is a swinging door.

13:34

That anyone can walk into. Even if you don't know it's

13:37

there, if you accidentally lean

13:39

on the wall, you're in there. So you're saying it should

13:41

be harder to get to?

13:43

Well, shouldn't it? It's their most sacred place.

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By the way, there's two spirits

13:45

in there, just swimming around

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at their most vulnerable state,

13:49

and anyone can walk in there.

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They know they're in there, right? Security could have been better.

13:59

Okay. Like a passcode to get in there or

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something? Face recognition. They put one security guard there.

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Let's move on to our honorable mention.

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What's yours? So this is a little dark, but

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that's why I liked it, was when

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they showed the blood on the bag,

14:15

that he put the moon spirit in.

14:20

When Zhao swooped the moon spirit

14:20

up, when he stabbed and twisted, and

14:25

then the blood slowly came up, rose

14:25

up through the wool in the sack.

14:33

Whatever it's made of. I don't know if it's wool. Burlap or anyway, details.

14:38

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna have And then everything went gray.

14:42

I was like. And even the blood may have been coming

14:43

up grey like, it was, everything had

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Maybe that's why I didn't But oh my gosh, it reminded me of like

14:48

Sin City, if you ever watched that.

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I don't know, it was so dark. And I really loved it.

14:55

Okay, I'm gonna have to

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re watch for that detail.

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What's your honorable mention? I guess this is kind of

14:59

related to what you just said. My honorable mention isn't really

15:01

one specific moment, but it was

15:06

the use of color or lack thereof.

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Again, I gotta say props to whoever

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the director of photography is.

15:13

At first, the scenes turned red,

15:13

and then became devoid of color.

15:19

I was really nervous about how

15:19

they were going to pull that off,

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or if they were even going to do

15:23

that, based off of the cartoon.

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Because that was one of the reasons

15:26

in the cartoon, when I came to this

15:29

episode, I was like, wow, this is

15:29

really different for a cartoon.

15:33

As a kid, I, I feel like a

15:33

lot of us appreciated that.

15:37

And the colors, whether it was

15:37

the combination of the blue in

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the water, contrasted against

15:41

the orange of all the fire.

15:46

That was amazing. The fire amongst all the black and

15:48

white, every time someone would

15:52

firebend and you'd get that pop of

15:52

color, that's how it was in the cartoon

15:57

too and I felt like it was pretty

15:57

unique for a cartoon of that time.

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They did it beautifully in the

16:01

live action and adapted that so

16:05

well and yeah, it was just awesome.

16:07

The coloring of the whole episode. I agree.

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No one can complain about that. Yes. That was my honorable

16:13

mention. Awesome. Okay, let's really get into this finale.

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How do you want to go about dissecting it?

16:20

Okay, so a lot happens in this episode

16:20

and there is a lot to talk about.

16:25

So I think what we'll do first is we'll

16:25

talk about the thematic elements like we

16:30

usually do and just go through the plot. I think the easiest thing to do is

16:32

just go through the major events that

16:36

happen in this episode and talk about

16:36

what happened and give our thoughts.

16:40

And then A good chunk of our episode

16:40

will probably be dedicated to answers

16:45

we got for our question of the week. We did get several.

16:48

A lot of you guys had thoughts that

16:48

would come up in Wes and I's conversation

16:52

anyways, so I wanted to focus on those

16:52

comments and discuss them and give our

16:57

thoughts, because I feel like we're

16:57

gonna be saying a lot of the same

17:01

things, or, who knows, there's some

17:01

things that we may not agree with, and

17:04

I feel like it deserves some attention.

17:07

Um, Does that sound good to you? It sounds painfully,

17:08

No, it's gonna be great.

17:12

Like we've said in past episodes, Wes

17:12

and I, we don't talk about our thoughts

17:16

and we don't exchange notes or anything.

17:18

We'll see where it goes, and I have a

17:18

feeling this episode might go longer than

17:23

some of our previous ones, but we're at

17:23

the finale, so I feel like that's okay.

17:27

Yeah, I'm uh, we can't hang out with our

17:27

friends because we end up talking Avatar.

17:34

And I'm ready to get back to

17:34

hanging out with our friends.

17:36

No, I'm just joking. Okay, so let's start off with the theme.

17:41

I want to see if you agree with me

17:41

or not, but I feel like this episode

17:46

brought up quite a bit about letting go

17:46

of the past for the sake of the future.

17:51

I feel like this is a theme

17:51

of season one, but yes.

17:54

I mean, maybe that's what

17:54

they wanted to do was bring it

17:58

all together for the finale. Yeah, that's true.

18:03

We have Pakku just to give some

18:03

examples of how some of the

18:07

characters go through this. We have Pakku who learns to let go of

18:09

rigid traditions to save their tribe.

18:16

Lets the women out of the kitchen. Right?

18:20

Okay. Well, I mean, Yue was in the kitchen.

18:23

They had her, which, can I just say that

18:23

Avatar's all about empowering women and

18:29

they wanted to make Yue a strong character

18:29

and then they put her in the kitchen.

18:34

But maybe that's their culture. So, so.

18:36

Um, Um, And then we also have uh, Sokka,

18:37

who I had to learn about letting go

18:43

of past expectations, you know, being

18:43

a warrior in order to help others and

18:49

this was brought up in his conversation

18:49

with Chief Arnook at the end.

18:53

So I feel like he had to do a little

18:53

bit of letting go of the past, again,

18:58

recalling back to our conversation

18:58

in the episode Spirited Away, I think

19:03

it was, when they were faced with

19:03

their flashbacks and figuring out

19:07

what seeds to water what seeds to not

19:07

water so i feel like this you know

19:12

calls back to his conflict about that.

19:15

Interestingly enough now he's gonna

19:15

have to work on letting some of that go

19:20

when it comes to not being able to save

19:20

Yue so i do feel bad for Sokka here.

19:25

That's a big burden. Well, they show how Sokka

19:27

is starting to lead.

19:32

He's a great leader. You know, beginning of the episode

19:34

where he's flying around directing them while they're on the ship.

19:39

So plays they're showing that

19:39

he's a good leader, and you can

19:44

lead without being a warrior.

19:46

Yeah, it's not all muscle and fighting.

19:50

You don't have to be, you don't

19:50

have to do that to be a hero,

19:52

is what he was saying, right? .

19:54

Yeah, I'm trying to steer clear of this

19:58

Okay, we'll save it, we'll save it. Let's see we also have Aang, and,

20:00

his letting go of his guilt over all

20:04

the loss to continue his journey. I feel like this is something he's

20:07

having to remember time and time

20:10

again, first with the loss of all

20:10

the Airbenders, and now with the loss

20:15

of some of the Water Tribe people. Yeah, I'm tired of Aang

20:18

being so down all the time.

20:21

I'm ready to see the playful kid

20:24

who will actually start

20:24

bending different elements.

20:27

I You know what, I can appreciate that.

20:30

I get that. And then we also have Zuko,

20:32

and he's also having to learn

20:36

the lesson of the theme here. Because he's having to let go of the

20:38

Avatar in order to, I guess, save himself.

20:43

He could have tried to go after Aang

20:43

after he became Koizilla, but he

20:49

probably could have died too, and Iroh

20:49

had to tell him, we need to go, there's

20:54

no more Avatar, so Zuko had to let

20:54

go of what he's been working towards

20:59

for, what is it, three years now? Yeah, who is Zuko without the Avatar?

21:04

Maybe that's what he's afraid of. So those are the main characters

21:06

that I thought had to learn

21:10

the lesson of our theme here. I don't know if you could

21:12

think of anybody else,

21:14

letting go of the past for

21:14

the sake of the future.

21:16

Or do you think there's like

21:16

another theme fitting here for,

21:19

if you had to choose just one. No, I think what you picked

21:21

for the theme is spot on.

21:23

You nailed it on the head. Head.

21:28

Thank you. Yeah. Okay. So now let's talk about what happens

21:29

in chronological order, I at least try

21:36

to keep it chronologically in order. We'll see.

21:39

We'll start with the

21:39

arrival of the Fire Nation.

21:43

I thought it was a great opening scene,

21:43

where Team Avatar swoops in and they

21:47

take out that one Fire Nation ship. It was very much like the cartoon.

21:52

The best opening scene they've done so far. You think so?

21:54

I think it's one of the best ones for sure. Whenever they go back to the

21:57

Water Tribe to warn how big

22:01

the fleet is, a couple things. One, I feel like there wasn't A great

22:03

sense of urgency from Chief Arnook and

22:07

Pakku and the Water Tribe as a whole.

22:10

And then two, I'm a little bit confused,

22:10

maybe you can help me clarify, but

22:15

They mentioned how long it was

22:15

gonna be before the Fire Nation

22:19

was gonna be within firing range.

22:22

And I believe they said

22:22

like an hour or two.

22:26

Correct me if I'm wrong. If they had an hour or two to prepare,

22:27

technically they had more than that

22:32

because the Water Tribe knew before

22:32

Aang even arrived that the Fire Nation

22:37

was coming so they probably started

22:37

preparing before Aang got there.

22:41

But then Are you thinking they weren't prepared?

22:44

I don't think they were

22:44

that well prepared.

22:46

Why do you say that? It felt a little bit chaotic.

22:49

You would think oh, everybody would

22:49

get into their, or would get to

22:53

their posts or have formations or

22:53

build additional defenses with ice.

22:58

It's like nothing happened

22:58

within that one or two hours.

23:01

They were all scrambling as if

23:01

they were caught by surprise.

23:05

It looks like they did a pretty good

23:05

job until, which we're skipping here,

23:09

but until Zhao stabbed the moon spirit.

23:14

I mean, they were holding them off. I was just confused a little bit about

23:16

what has the Water Tribe been doing

23:19

between the time that Team Avatar says,

23:19

hey, their fire's gonna be able to reach

23:24

us in an hour or two, and then to the

23:24

point where you do see the fireballs.

23:29

I mean, they could've been fortifying their wall. I mean, they were staving them off.

23:32

It off. It didn't look like they

23:33

were at their posts.

23:36

Okay, General Pauline.

23:39

I Did you recently read

23:41

the book of war, or what? What kind of strategy?

23:47

Okay, never mind. I did like, though, to get off the

23:48

negativity train, I did like, How Katara

23:54

brought the women waterbenders in and

23:54

Yagoda came in and called Pakku a fool

24:01

because somebody needed to say it. Yeah, more bodies for war is always nice.

24:05

One thing that came to mind though was

24:05

That they needed to save some of them

24:11

to actually be focused on healing.

24:14

Like maybe have a healing station

24:14

to bring in wounded people.

24:17

Like you don't want, you don't

24:17

want everybody to go fight.

24:20

You need to have some people that are healing. Well, they're healers.

24:23

I mean, I'm sure that was mostly what

24:23

they were doing, was healing, correct?

24:27

No, And of course, at that time,

24:27

they weren't getting hurt a lot.

24:30

You just need to be prepared though. Let's move on to Momo.

24:34

Okay, so the whole Momo Yes.

24:37

Momo's actions and then

24:37

getting into the spirit Oasis.

24:40

As you can see in my notes

24:40

here, I have WTF Momo.

24:44

And I already mentioned

24:44

his actions itself.

24:47

That's not why that was my

24:47

That's Rough Buddy moment.

24:50

It just felt like it can't, like it

24:50

was, at first it felt kind of random.

24:55

It was great way to bring

24:55

in the spirit oasis, right?

25:01

Come on. It was, it was maybe too easy?

25:06

I don't know. Here's the thing.

25:08

I think the Spirit Oasis should've

25:08

been introduced in the previous

25:12

episode, as part of the world building.

25:15

If the Spirit Oasis is this important,

25:15

you can't just spring it on us because.

25:20

Okay, well just focus on this episode because if start

25:21

going back and saying, well they

25:25

should have done this sooner. But the thing is, it's tied

25:27

together though, like it's

25:29

part of the storytelling. I'm saying that the impact of the

25:31

Spirit Oasis and the whole Momo thing,

25:35

it fell flat because the Spirit Oasis

25:35

wasn't set up very well to begin with.

25:40

Well, I mean, Zhao was talking to

25:40

that spirit or the fire maj, whatever.

25:46

The fire the fire. Sage maj

25:49

mage. but, and then they didn't they talk

25:52

about that before Momo did his thing?

25:56

Did they bring up the Spirit oasis? They were talking about

25:57

the, you know, that's where.

26:00

They come to hang out for

26:00

one day during the ice moon.

26:04

Yeah, but that still wouldn't be

26:04

a very good introduction of it.

26:07

So yeah, I think if other things fall

26:07

into place a little bit better than

26:10

the whole Momo part and him needing

26:10

to be brought to the Spirit Oasis

26:14

would have had a better impact for me. This is just me personally, I'm

26:18

not you're alone on this island. Maybe, and that's fine.

26:20

I mean, I can't agree with everybody and

26:20

I don't expect everybody to agree with me.

26:25

That's the great thing about this

26:25

fandom is that we have, Differing

26:28

opinions, and that's all right. I will say, the positive thing with

26:29

with what happened to Momo is that it

26:35

showed the relationsh He No, I mean,

26:35

story wise, like, why it happened.

26:41

It showed Sokka and Momo's

26:41

relationship and you can see that

26:46

they've become buddies, sokka cares

26:46

about Momo, and I mean, it was cute.

26:52

It was a heartfelt moment. I did like that aspect of it.

26:55

But yeah, I was just like, what the heck?

26:58

Like, when it happened, I was like

26:58

And I will say, maybe it's because

27:01

it didn't come as a surprise to me. We did get this part spoiled for us.

27:07

And so I did know that it was coming.

27:10

I didn't exactly know what happened

27:10

or the context or anything like that.

27:13

So maybe that's why I'm looking

27:13

at it with a more critical eye.

27:16

Yeah, I feel like if you didn't

27:16

know something was coming with

27:19

Momo, You would appreciate it more. I appreciate what he did, I appreciate

27:21

that Momo is at least more helpful than

27:27

the Avatars, but I think that scene

27:27

could have just been executed a little

27:32

bit better, that's all I'm saying. It was a great scene and a great

27:33

sequence to get into the Spirit Oasis.

27:38

Speaking of the Spirit Oasis, just

27:38

as a side note, another reason why

27:42

I am looking at this with a more

27:42

critical eye is because the Spirit

27:47

Oasis is supposed to be a big deal. It's the most sacred place

27:49

in the Northern Water Tribe.

27:53

They could have showcased the beauty of

27:53

it more or shown it during the daytime.

27:57

Like they should have shown it before

27:57

the attack, before the invasion.

28:02

I think there's even a moment in the

28:02

cartoon, where Aang comes in to see the

28:07

Spirit Oasis, and you see joy on his face

28:07

because it's such, it's this beautiful,

28:13

spiritual place, and in the cartoon it

28:13

was set up as a very positive place,

28:18

but here, we're being introduced to the

28:18

Spirit Oasis amidst chaos and loss, and

28:25

feel like this show did more than the cartoon. You could see the beauty,

28:27

the vegetation, the

28:32

warmth. dark though. Okay,

28:34

It didn't look warm think I'm going to win this one.

28:37

Agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. I even made, so back when Animal

28:39

Crossing was everybody's lives,

28:46

especially during the pandemic, I

28:46

tried to make my own little Spirit

28:49

Oasis on my Animal Crossing island.

28:52

That's how much I love it so, I just

28:52

wanted them to do the Spirit Oasis

28:55

justice. It was beautiful. Yeah, we didn't get to see very

28:57

much of it before things went dark,

29:02

Did you put any guards

29:02

on your Animal Crossing?

29:04

No, I did not. It was, It was vulnerable.

29:08

Your neighbors couldn't even help you. You have anything else to

29:10

say about the spirit oasis?

29:12

I feel like we're opposite on this. don't see anything wrong

29:14

with what they did.

29:16

Okay, we can move on. Yeah, let's move on.

29:19

So, wrong. Next we Let's Let's go ahead and

29:24

talk about Kara, Kara,

29:27

Katara and Zuko's fight.

29:31

Which, it didn't go on for too long, but

29:33

No, but Katara whooped that ass. I mean, I should say that different.

29:36

I'm sorry. I mean, Sokka said it, so

29:39

Oh, he did? He said, he has said ass quite a few

29:40

times in the Northern Water Tribe.

29:44

Sorry about Feeling a little feisty. Language.

29:48

Katara whooped his butt.

29:51

And I think she was gonna

29:51

keep on beating him.

29:54

Yeah, for sure, We got that line from

29:54

Zuko where he said, You've found a master.

30:00

Yeah, but but I wish we could have got the one

30:00

where he's like I rise with the Sun or

30:05

oh my gosh, that would have been great been great. The you rise with the

30:07

moon, I rise with the sun.

30:10

Something like that, I love that line. We didn't get it, but it's okay.

30:13

But we did get Zuko getting burned by

30:13

Aang, and I don't mean firebending.

30:19

That was pretty funny. Um, I wish we had more of that, but yeah.

30:24

Yeah. He says, I wasn't talking about you.

30:27

I was like, oh, burn.

30:31

We should set that up better, but

30:31

I guess if you're listening to

30:33

us, you've watched that episode. You know what we're talking about.

30:37

Yeah. Whenever Aang just says. go

30:40

easy enough people have been hurt,

30:40

Zuko thinks that he's addressing

30:44

him, but he's talking about about Yeah,

30:48

Yeah, he's talking to Katara. If Aang's words actually had some fire to

30:50

it, then Zuko would have gotten another

30:55

scar on the other side of his face, so.

30:58

mic drop. .

31:00

Okay, we can move on to the

31:06

First of all, Zhao has to look for

31:06

the ocean and moon spirits, and this

31:11

is probably where we're gonna, where

31:11

we are going to disagree as well,

31:15

but this is another thing I feel

31:15

like they didn't set up very well.

31:21

The ocean and moon spirits,

31:21

our introduction to them.

31:25

What didn't you like? I mean, they're fish.

31:27

I like how Zhao said the reason

31:27

why Iroh's there is to point out

31:32

what the spirits look like, right?

31:34

And Iroh's like, you know,

31:34

they could be two trees,

31:39

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I mean, you don't know.

31:41

I think the fish should have been shown

31:45

either earlier in the

31:45

episode, but really, ideally,

31:49

ideally, I I did.

31:51

Okay. I, I like

31:54

I, I like, I do like this

31:54

episode, but I have to nitpick.

31:58

It sounds like you didn't

31:58

really like the episode.

32:00

The whole ocean and moon spirit,

32:00

I loved it so much as a kid that I

32:05

have to look at it more critically.

32:08

I mean, not that I have to, but that's

32:08

why I am looking at it more critically.

32:12

I guess all I'm trying to say is I wish, I

32:12

feel like there should have been a little

32:16

bit more focus on the fish because if I am

32:16

a first time watcher, maybe I would have

32:21

felt like, oh, this came out of nowhere. R ight, but as for all episodes,

32:23

they are pushed for time.

32:27

i And there are things we get

32:27

irritated about, but overall,

32:33

Ten episodes, Netflix, go to ten episodes, please.

32:38

But the things that I'm harping

32:38

on, these are just the things that

32:41

brought it down a half point for me. Because like I said, I was gonna give

32:42

it a nine, so I have to bring them up.

32:46

I have a question, since we're to

32:46

the point where Zhao kills the moon.

32:49

He kills him, or it, with

32:49

Avatar Kuruk's knife.

32:53

Was there something, asides from it being

32:53

made from, what was it that Kuruk said?

32:59

was Materials from the spirit world.

33:01

Yeah asides from that, did

33:01

it have any significance?

33:06

Did it have to be that did it have any did it

33:07

have to be that knife?

33:21

That's why, Avatar, Kuruk, had to,

33:21

was like, Aang, my knife's back in the

33:27

Northern Water Tribe, this can't be good. Yeah, I guess I was just

33:30

wondering, knew, cause he knew

33:31

the Fire Nation had it.

33:34

So maybe, that's the only thing that can

33:34

kill a spirit in our world,

33:39

is Something from the spirit world. Okay, that's

33:42

Okay. That's what I thought it was implying,

33:43

but I was thinking maybe I'm wrong.

33:46

So, But if you weren't really paying

33:46

attention you would have missed that

33:50

Right. Yeah.

33:52

Let's see. I'm so glad we did get Iroh's quote,

33:52

Whatever you do to that spirit,

33:57

I will unleash on you tenfold. Which he didn't do.

34:00

What do you mean? When did he unleash death tenfold?

34:04

He did he fire bend it at Zhao.

34:06

Okay. He did not hit Zhao

34:09

until he hit him later. He

34:12

didn't do enough fire bending? I didn't think. like it was delayed though.

34:15

Because he knocks the moon spirit

34:15

out of Zhao's hands, right?

34:19

Aang's for some reason air

34:19

bending the sack up in the air,

34:25

Instead of towards right. Yeah, you could, Or push it.

34:27

I don't know. Yeah. Anyway. And then, Uncle Iroh, they show him

34:29

like, I don't know why he's running

34:33

towards Zhao when he has fire, but

34:36

That was kind of odd, the

34:36

whole slow motion thing.

34:39

I think it would have been more impactful

34:39

if it was quick and made it seem like

34:42

Aang had successfully got the sack

34:42

away from Zhao and then all like out

34:47

of nowhere the knife comes through but

34:47

because it was slow motion it's like you

34:51

knew Zhao was going to stab the fish.

34:54

I mean nothing bad with that I just

34:54

think maybe if it was more of a surprise

34:58

they would have had more impact to I'm not sure how many times

34:59

they've put Iroh in slow

35:02

motion, but I would have done him justice.

35:11

Not to dwell on this too much, but I

35:11

feel like some of his scenes in this

35:17

episode were some of his weakest.

35:19

Those some of

35:22

it felt forced or slightly cheesy,

35:22

but other times were great.

35:28

Some things there that didn't do Iroh

35:31

that uh, justice.

35:38

of the cartoon. Yeah. I like that they're building

35:39

their own characters.

35:42

This whole series. True.

35:44

There's hints of the cartoon, but

35:44

I like that they're giving the

35:47

characters different personalities

35:50

almost. Yeah, like a different flavor. Yeah. Yeah, I like that.

35:52

I, some of it, I like, some of it I of it I don't. I'm not liking what, I'm not liking

35:54

what they're doing with Iroh, but.

35:58

oh, really? Well, you know what, we'll save it

35:59

for maybe our season one wrap up.

36:02

Yeah. While we're still on this scene though,

36:03

the, I already brought up the coloring,

36:06

but just when everything goes red amazing.

36:10

And then to black and white was amazing.

36:12

Adapted so well. I

36:14

don't know if any other TV show

36:14

has done this or any other cartoon.

36:19

You've watched way more things than I have. Can you think of anything?

36:21

So I've referenced the

36:21

movie Sin City earlier.

36:24

So if you ever get a chance to watch

36:24

that movie and you haven't watch it.

36:28

Because sometimes there's color. Sometimes there's not,

36:31

which they almost do, you know, like with Who Framed Roger Radgett, Rap, Who

36:35

Framed Who Framed Roger Rabbit? I love that movie. So it really, for us older people,

36:37

we've seen that, so it makes, and we

36:44

watched that when we were younger, so

36:44

it really harkens back to when we were

36:47

younger, so that probably gives you that

36:47

feeling of being younger and watching.

36:52

probably right. probably right. It was just great.

36:55

And once the moon is gone, and we

36:55

talked about the non benders and

37:01

how they had their last stand. If I were To describe any of the scenes as

37:03

like maybe a jaw dropping moment when they

37:07

first breached the wall, the water tribe

37:07

person fell and the ship comes through.

37:16

Oh My gosh, that was amazing, and then

37:16

the fight, the camera movement, again,

37:21

I gotta say, director of photography,

37:21

amazing job and the whole production crew.

37:26

Like I said, just reminds me of some

37:26

of the battles in Game of Thrones.

37:31

Who knows, maybe it's also because

37:31

there are dragons with fire and then

37:33

you have the what's the Ice King? Red Sea?

37:35

The Ice My god, it's been forever.

37:38

The the King

37:40

The Night King? King?

37:43

The Night it's been too long.

37:46

I just miss Hodor. But, no

37:49

but, but you see how it gives it

37:49

that feel and just how the camera

37:53

moves with the characters fighting.

37:55

yeah, and the CGI was way

37:55

better in this episode than when

37:59

they've used it in previous. yeah, Just because of all the

38:01

action. it, that's why I just had to bring this

38:03

up twice because I feel It deserves it.

38:07

You can tell this is where

38:07

a lot of the budget went.

38:10

Speaking of budget I know where

38:10

the animal budget went to.

38:14

It went to Koizilla. They had to

38:16

went to. It went to Koizilla.

38:19

Aang becomes the ocean spirit and

38:19

he becomes what we've nicknamed

38:23

Koizilla the ocean spirit monster.

38:25

And Yeah, I feel like that's where

38:25

the whole animal budget went to.

38:29

Koizilla ate all the animals, and

38:29

but it looked awesome, though!

38:33

I will say, it looked awesome. I loved it.

38:36

It gave me chills just

38:36

like in the cartoon.

38:38

I wanna just give one more Negative thing.

38:42

I say one more, but this I'm telling you,

38:45

Love the episode, but But this is one of the

38:46

bigger points for me.

38:50

So when Aang fuses with the ocean

38:50

spirit and he goes down into the

38:54

water, that part fell flat for me.

38:58

What?! And here's why, okay?

39:00

I know that this is not gonna be

39:00

everybody's opinions because I I'm

39:05

referencing my childhood here, but it

39:05

was that moment in the cartoon when I

39:10

was watching it as a 12 year old when

39:10

Aang looks like he's on top of the

39:15

water, And he says, no, it's not over.

39:18

And he goes straight down. It was this chilling moment as a kid.

39:23

And that was where I was just

39:23

completely hooked with Avatar.

39:27

And I thought this is going

39:27

to be the best series ever.

39:30

That's where I knew

39:30

that Avatar is special.

39:33

did the exact same they did not do the exact same thing.

39:37

I think if he was on top of the water

39:37

and then he went straight down, it

39:41

would've given it almost Stranger

39:41

Things vibes, with his voice and his

39:45

eyes glowing, and then he just gets

39:45

sucked down into the water completely.

39:49

In this adaptation he like

39:49

waded into the water, and

39:53

While you hear the voice? while you hear the voice,

39:56

don't hear the voice before he goes but then when he

39:59

do you hear any voice? Yeah, he has like that big boomy

40:00

voice, but here, when he wades into

40:05

the water, and he goes down it's almost

40:05

like don't really see Aang go down.

40:09

The Netflix version was just a slightly

40:09

more tamed version of the cartoon.

40:14

And you would think it would be the other way around. In a,

40:19

you're so frustrated right now. Like a satanic voice, which was awesome.

40:22

was Before he went down. He's glowing.

40:26

Huh. And boom, like someone threw a ball

40:28

and he got dunked into the water.

40:31

It was very tame, it wasn't, it was like,

40:33

What did you, what did you want? What do you want? More intensity.

40:38

Was it the music director's No.

40:41

I don't know how else to explain it

40:41

without showing you a side by side.

40:46

Which is not great for a podcast

40:46

format, but, the impact felt more tame.

40:50

That's it. That's Okay. Okay.

40:53

But I just had to bring this up because

40:53

this was the main thing I was looking

40:57

for when we started this episode. How are they gonna do the moment

40:59

that Aang goes down into the water

41:03

and becomes the ocean spirit.

41:06

That was the main thing I was looking for. And they almost had it.

41:09

They almost had it! I promise I still loved it,

41:14

even though it doesn't sound like it. Do you agree with her?

41:18

I mean, didn't get pulled down in the,

41:21

No, he got pulled down in the

41:21

water, but it just felt more tame.

41:25

Okay. Okay. Um. But to top it off with something

41:27

positive, because I feel like I have

41:31

to, I already mentioned this, the blue

41:31

and orange together, when Koizilla came

41:36

up and is, going after the Firebenders.

41:38

The combination of the blue and

41:38

orange, oh my gosh, just so beautiful.

41:43

So you like the color scheme. The majority of my Cabbage rating and

41:45

why I rated it so high a lot of it is due

41:49

to the cinematography, I will say that,

41:49

and the music, and but then there were

41:55

and but then the of

42:00

The cinematography did

42:00

the heavy lifting here.

42:03

the heavy lifting.

42:06

Going red and gray. So anyways, we'll move on, we'll move on.

42:12

So what happens after this one? So, oh.

42:15

Zuko and Zhao's fight.

42:17

Their confrontation and the end of Zhao.

42:22

As I like how you didn't say

42:22

that, because there was no

42:25

body, you didn't see Zhao die.

42:30

Did Zhao die? It was a little unclear.

42:34

you saying that they've been hit with

42:37

fire all season, right?

42:40

A lot of characters have Never killed one other than, Ozai burning

42:45

those, uh, people. Yes. But are you saying that Iroh

42:47

killed him with one blast?

42:51

Is that what they were implying? It was a little it was unclear.

42:56

Okay. And maybe that was on purpose. The rule is if you don't see a body

43:00

Was the water glowing blue when he fell

43:03

fell into the water? It was. From what Netflix has shown

43:04

us at face value, Zhao has

43:10

died because Iroh killed him.

43:13

That is what they're showing us. They had a brief but a great fight.

43:17

I did love that whole sequence. I love Zhao's final spiel to Zuko.

43:23

We didn't talk about Zhao's

43:23

turn, like his character arc.

43:29

Before he stabbed the fish.

43:31

What the heck? Now he wants to be the Fire Lord?

43:37

I don't think he wanted to be the Fire Lord. He was just wanting to be legendary.

43:42

Oh, legend! Oh!

43:46

Maybe that should've been the theme. The title.

43:50

What makes a legend. But I mean, now he's telling Iroh

43:51

that, you can back his legitimacy.

43:58

What did you think about that? I thought it was

44:00

stupid. You didn't like it? Can I say stupid?

44:02

Yeah. That was stupid. don't know why they did that.

44:06

Why did they give him that speech

44:06

on, becoming Fire Lord, I mean,

44:11

did he ever respect Ozai then?

44:14

So he was always scheming against Ozai?

44:18

Yeah. I don't know if he necessarily liked Ozai.

44:21

I will, I think I am okay with this.

44:25

I'm not saying that it's not stupid.

44:28

Because I think that's correct. Who are you, Zhao, to think that you

44:29

could accomplish this, but I think it's

44:33

a good final look into Zhao's character.

44:37

Because, let's be honest, Zhao is a

44:37

little bit delulu here, and, I think

44:42

this is a good way to show that delusion.

44:44

I like that you did bring that up,

44:44

it's interesting that they brought

44:47

this aspect to the adaptation but I

44:47

think it was, I think it was fine.

44:51

I don't think believes that he could

44:51

become Fire Lord, but he believes it.

44:56

It's like, really dude? Okay. Right, it was just I thought

44:58

was out of character for him.

45:02

And we're not just talking, we're not talking about the cartoon. I mean, even in previous episodes, he

45:05

never, did he ever reveal or any hints

45:13

that he wanted to be the Fire Lord?

45:16

No, and I don't think we're to

45:16

believe that he had that goal to

45:22

begin with, but I think maybe the more

45:22

recognition he got, the more power

45:26

he got, it just snowballed and he was

45:31

just drunk on that ambition.

45:34

But, yeah, but like we mentioned

45:34

earlier, we didn't see a body, so i,

45:38

think that they left it ambiguous

45:38

for a reason, because then

45:43

it opens doors for Season 2. I don't think I liked that it

45:45

was Iroh, though that quote

45:49

unquote killed him. Um. That seemed a little out of character.

45:51

Is that something that you were

45:51

referring to earlier with some the

45:54

out of character things that Iroh did?

45:57

I wish they would've followed

45:57

the cartoon right there.

46:00

Me too. Where Zuko's defending himself, he reaches

46:00

to save Zhao and Zhao declines he'd

46:07

Oh yeah, so for those who haven't seen

46:07

the cartoon, the ocean spirit comes out

46:12

from the water part of it or something,

46:12

but basically the ocean grabs Zhao

46:17

and pulls him down and it's the ocean

46:17

that kills Zhao and before he goes

46:23

down, Zuko reaches out a hand to him.

46:28

So that he can help him, and Zhao

46:28

refuses his hand and accepts his fate.

46:33

So I agree with you there. I think it would have been more

46:34

impactful if they kept it that way,

46:37

not for the sake of Oh, I needs to

46:37

follow the cartoon, but because of

46:42

what it says about Zuko's character.

46:45

Yes, his honor. Um, okay so let's move

46:47

on to Yue's sacrifice.

46:52

So this was the cartoon, it

46:52

was Iroh that pointed out that

46:56

she'd been touched by the moon. And this one, it was all her choice.

47:02

Yeah, I liked it. I liked the change. I liked that it was her idea

47:03

because it gave Yue more agency.

47:09

What are your thoughts though? Do you like that it was her idea

47:10

or do you think it they should

47:14

have had it be somebody else's? it was okay.

47:17

She realized that she was touched by

47:17

the moon, and could make that sacrifice.

47:23

I've grown to like

47:25

Yue's character in this adaptation.

47:28

Not that I did not like her. Right,

47:31

Right, and Well, okay, well, okay, it's not her I didn't like.

47:34

It was the wig. That's it. wig that I didn't like.

47:38

And the cartoon, it's not

47:38

that I didn't like Yue.

47:40

I did like Yue as a character. I feel like it could have been done

47:42

better, but with it being a cartoon

47:47

and the episodes were so short, I

47:47

understood why They were pretty quick

47:51

with some of the things with Yue,

47:51

but with Netflix, they gave us more

47:55

to like about her and her character.

47:57

And I like the actress. I wish that they gave her better hair.

48:01

I feel so bad that they

48:01

did her dirty like that.

48:05

But I really did like her acting and

48:05

thought she struck a good balance

48:09

between that poised regal princess and

48:09

Somebody that's also strong and down

48:16

to earth and relatable and likable.

48:19

I like what they did with her, because

48:19

she's not just a figurehead in this,

48:23

she is the spirit uh, counselor?

48:28

Um, Priestess, or, yeah, she had

48:28

some kind of spiritual leader title.

48:33

she's not just Yeah.

48:36

Yeah, that's true. I don't think we've

48:37

brought that up before. But that was the end of Yue,

48:39

and she became the moon.

48:43

And I'm pretty sure her name m means

48:43

moon or something about the moon.

48:47

We didn't talk about it last I don't think so.

48:50

you, okay. I didn't think so. Um.

48:54

About the aftermath? Of the battle.

48:58

Yes, this is when we see the people that

48:58

have died, and you find out that Hahn,

49:04

and that other kid, I'm, I feel bad.

49:06

Did he have a name? If he had a name, I'm so sorry.

49:10

think it was Icebender 4?

49:12

No, I don't think they, I don't think he had a name. Maybe he did.

49:15

that.

49:39

Han had an awesome last scene.

49:42

I

49:44

with Han, and that they

49:44

didn't shy away from

49:49

result of war. You have people on both sides that

49:54

Chief Arnook, I

49:56

will say he didn't seem

49:56

as devastated as Sokka,

50:00

the way that they show

50:02

about losing his daughter? Can we say it at the same time?

50:05

Sorry. That's okay. Something I forgot to mention

50:07

earlier, the emotion with Chief

50:12

Arnook and Yue's relationship,

50:12

I feel like, wasn't quite there.

50:16

I wish that they had built on their

50:16

relationship as father and daughter a

50:21

little bit more in the previous episode. I know you said not to bring

50:23

up the previous episode.

50:25

But there wasn't really anything shown

50:25

about it except during the attack and

50:31

Chief Arnook is like, No, Yue, you need

50:31

to go because you are the future of

50:35

our tribe, that was really the only

50:35

thing you saw between the two of them.

50:38

I feel, so then the impact of Chief Armook

50:39

losing his daughter was a miss here.

50:45

I felt more for Sokka losing somebody

50:45

that he hasn't known for very long

50:50

compared to the Chief losing his daughter.

50:54

think? Your daughter, but I think as a leader

50:57

of the Water Tribe, Arnook had to

51:03

console Sokka because he is a leader.

51:06

So he was trying to make Sokka feel good.

51:10

Maybe he, as a leader at this point, he

51:10

didn't, he doesn't have time to mourn.

51:15

Yeah, I think that could be true too. Let's see.

51:18

Over to Zuko and Iroh.

51:21

They are back on a boat. What a coincidence.

51:24

It is a great bookend, because they

51:24

started on a boat, they ended on a boat.

51:30

It was like the end of the

51:30

cartoon, too, so I can't give

51:32

all of the writing credit to

51:34

be on a boat. They were talking about Lieutenant

51:36

Jee and trying to speculate.

51:38

I think Iroh was trying to make

51:38

Zuko feel better about his crew

51:43

because they died, didn't they?

51:46

they show? Was there any, were there any

51:47

Firebenders that survived that?

51:50

They didn't show any retreating

51:50

like they did in the cartoon

51:53

Because in the cartoon I don't think want to ever, I don't

51:54

think they ever suggested that

51:57

the whole fleet was destroyed. Right?

52:00

They showed a lot of boats exploding

52:00

and the moon spirit pushing, just like

52:05

in the cartoon, pushing them away. The moon spirit comes down and smashes

52:07

the water and sends a big wave.

52:11

Did they survive that? I mean, if you're far enough back, yeah, you

52:14

guess it's, It's just the way Iroh brought up

52:16

Lieutenant Jee and the others and it's

52:20

like, well, oh, I'm sure they got away.

52:24

But if he says Jee was smart and wouldn't

52:25

be at the front of the battle.

52:30

So I think Iroh was just trying to make him

52:32

I think you will see the 41st division Do you think so?

52:35

'cause it's like, did they die anyways? They got sacrificed.

52:37

Anyways. With the way things are going,

52:39

I bet we see them again.

52:42

I just feel, I feel bad for those guys. Because they were going to be sacrificed

52:44

to begin with and then their whole journey

52:49

ends with them possibly meeting that same

52:49

fate anyways, just three years later.

52:55

That was just Ozai's plan. This whole attack was just a

52:57

diversion to capture Omashu.

53:01

Yeah, how whole attack was just a

53:01

diversion to capture Omashu.

53:12

I did like that they brought this

53:20

did like that they brought this in,

53:20

though, because I feel like this is a

53:24

good tie in with what happens to King Bumi

53:24

and we know that some things are going to

53:31

be skipped in Season 2, but I feel like

53:31

this was a good way to still tie in that

53:36

part of the storyline, and how Azula,

53:36

takes control of Omashu but Yeah, are

53:42

think they need to. don't think they need to.

53:46

I don't think they need to. But now we know what Ozai was

53:47

doing with Azula, because in a

53:51

previous episode, we were wondering

53:51

what is Ozai's game plan here?

53:56

It seems like he's toying with Azula,

53:56

and now we know he was trying to

54:01

get her fired up, no pun intended,

54:01

with, everything going on with Zuko

54:06

and that was Ozai's plan all along.

54:09

It also, I guess, answers my question

54:09

that I had before about whether or

54:13

not Ozai actually cares about Zuko.

54:15

Because whenever the Fire Sage mentions

54:15

like, oh, you know that Zuko was

54:19

there in the Northern Water Tribe

54:19

too, and Ozai kind of pauses, and I

54:26

was wondering oh, is he going to show

54:26

grief for possibly losing his son?

54:31

Or Is he not gonna care at all?

54:34

And who says? Sometimes you have to sacrifice

54:35

the weak or something like that.

54:38

He was right, though. Like, If Zuko was strong, he would survive.

54:42

Do you think is that? Do you think that he

54:44

thinks that Zuko is strong? He said, if he's strong, he will survive.

54:48

But do you think, genuinely, Ozai

54:48

thinks that Zuko would have survived?

54:55

if I was, if I had only watched

54:55

this, I would say, yes, he's still

55:02

testing Zuko to become the next Fire

55:06

You think so? That's interesting. Cause I don't know

55:08

don't know Oh, and then finally,

55:09

Sozin's Comet gets mentioned.

55:14

They haven't said anything about

55:14

Sozin's Comet until the very end.

55:18

Do you like that they saved it?

55:21

Yeah, I like that it was over and

55:21

then we had this special ending.

55:25

It's the next journey, right?

55:29

It's a good cliffhanger

55:29

for, to wait for season two.

55:31

I was gonna be mad if they didn't

55:31

mention Sozin's Comet at all, because

55:35

I thought maybe they just completely

55:35

did away with Sozin's Comet.

55:39

So then they're not tied to that timeline.

55:43

But Sozin's Comet is the

55:43

impetus for everything, the

55:46

events that, happen later. So I was really worried that we were not

55:48

going to get any mention of Sozin's Comet

55:52

at all, but they left it just for the very

55:52

end, which I guess that was a smart move.

55:56

For the very end, which,

55:56

I think that, I guess

56:01

Lots of wait later though. We will have an podcast episode on what we

56:02

think will happen or any future concerns

56:08

and we'll make sure to tag that episode

56:08

a spoiler because if we're going to

56:12

talk about it, we have to give spoilers.

56:14

Do you have anything else as far as the

56:14

events that happened with this episode?

56:18

No, I'm ready to move on. Okay, then let's move on

56:20

to favorite bending moment.

56:24

And we'll try to fly through these

56:24

pretty quickly because we do need to

56:27

get to comments from other people. But, what was your

56:29

favorite bending moment?

56:32

Um, it's probably,

56:35

didn't write it down, did no I wrote it down, but I'm going to

56:36

go with something different because,

56:41

my Avatar state moment goes along

56:41

with my favorite bending moment.

56:45

I'm going to go with the beginning bending

56:45

with Aang and Katara fighting on the ship.

56:51

I like how fast paced it was. It wasn't like the last episode

56:53

where everything was in slow motion.

56:56

I'm like, they coulda dodged that. They coulda dodged that

56:58

dodge that it was a lot faster.

57:01

faster. I just liked liked it.

57:04

I like that they did that, because it

57:04

immediately pulled me into the episode.

57:08

They got, Oh yeah, it's like a good the bendings like real fast.

57:12

And I'm like, they got right into be a good one.

57:14

That's why the opening was was great. So what was your

57:17

So mine would be the firebending

57:17

during Zuko and Zhao's fight.

57:21

Just because that's where it really

57:21

showcased the color of the fire against

57:25

the lack of color and everything else.

57:27

So every time that there was fire, it

57:27

lit up the characters and the scene

57:33

just briefly and before it went back to

57:33

completely black and white so i'd like to

57:37

i need to find like a video where maybe

57:37

they talk a little bit how they lit all

57:41

that and what they had to do in production

57:44

bending, it was the colors around.

57:47

I so i guess so. Awesome. Okay, then let's do favorite character.

57:52

Who or what was your your favorite character?

57:54

Who or what? My favorite character This is

57:55

a tough one because I almost

57:59

had a tie, but I chose Zhao.

58:02

I feel like every scene that he was

58:02

in in this episode, and really the

58:06

whole season, I enjoyed his scenes.

58:09

And even though some of his lines

58:09

were delivered a little bit more

58:13

subtle and, there wasn't anything

58:13

big and flashy about him I just

58:17

like how they did his character. Did his

58:23

do you mean obviously? No what

58:28

favorite character. Just because his acting, really.

58:31

He's really killing it. I agree. I was going to, I mean, I wanted

58:34

to pick Zuko, but it's I feel

58:37

like I always brag about Zuko. pick Zuko, but it's I feel

58:40

like I always brag about Zuko.

58:49

Yeah, the emotion.

58:52

It was the emotion.

58:54

It was great. I loved it. And I also loved when he

58:56

told Uncle Iroh that Liu Teng

59:01

would have been proud of him. That was a touching moment that

59:01

we didn't talk about earlier, but

59:04

that we didn't I thought it was worth mentioning.

59:06

didn't like that as much, but yeah. compared to the cartoon you're saying?

59:10

Yeah. I mean, I'm with you there. Okay, let's do the Animal

59:14

Okay, the Animal Watch. That didn't have the budget

59:16

because I went to Koizilla.

59:20

Wait, Koizila, is that part of our Animal

59:23

Watch? No. No. It's spirit form, I guess.

59:28

But we did get the ocean and

59:28

moon spirits as mortal fish form.

59:33

It they got tons of screen

59:33

time, I don't know. Why you think they did uh,

59:38

I could Talk a long time about

59:38

it, so I'm not gonna backtrack

59:41

to that because you're going know I was trying to push But I'm not taking the bait.

59:45

No pun intended there too, but so while

59:45

they're not hybrid animals, I mean,

59:51

they were still animals in this episode.

59:54

Did you notice, unless I completely

59:54

missed this, they did not give the

59:59

names of the ocean and moon spirit.

1:00:02

No, they did not. so anybody that hasn't watched

1:00:03

the cartoon, the ocean moon

1:00:06

spirits names are Tui and La.

1:00:09

So Tui means push, and that's

1:00:09

the moon spirit, and La means

1:00:14

pull, which is the ocean spirit.

1:00:17

And I don't know why

1:00:17

they didn't mention that.

1:00:19

They, They brought in Push. I don't think so.

1:00:22

He said Push and Pull, but

1:00:22

we didn't get the names of of

1:00:26

the spirits being Tui and La. And I feel like that's a really cool piece

1:00:27

of lore that should have been included.

1:00:33

We don't give us a lot of animals. Hopefully in the next seasons,

1:00:35

they will introduce us to

1:00:40

some different different animals. Yes, that's what

1:00:43

they need to up that budget

1:00:43

for the animal department,

1:00:47

okay, let's do our memorable quotes.

1:00:50

What was your favorite? have an obvious one, which is, you

1:00:52

don't have to be a warrior to be a hero.

1:01:00

Mhm. Which was Chief Arnook saying to Sokka, I

1:01:00

think that's going to be huge for Sokka.

1:01:05

I really like that one, too. And then I have, change

1:01:07

is a way to new life.

1:01:13

Who said that? It was towards the end

1:01:14

I think it was Pakku.

1:01:17

Talking to Katara.

1:01:19

You don't hold on to the past. Also, which is your theme.

1:01:23

Oh yeah, good point. Yeah, I didn't catch that one.

1:01:27

It is part of the theme. What's some of your memorable quotes?

1:01:31

I think you already know

1:01:31

what my favorite quote was.

1:01:33

It was Yagoda when she said, What

1:01:33

good is it relying on the past when

1:01:37

it stops us from having a future? I'm glad that Yagoda was

1:01:39

the one that said it. And like I said, she called Pakku a fool.

1:01:44

And it's like, Yes, Yagoda, you tell him.

1:01:47

But it I don't need to talk at

1:01:47

length about the quote because

1:01:51

this was the theme of the episode.

1:01:53

And then the runner up was Zhao's

1:01:53

line when he said, you are the

1:01:57

fire in which her iron was forged.

1:02:01

Talking to Zuko about Zula and this was

1:02:01

just, it was just such a delicious quote.

1:02:06

It was so good. And Zhao has a way with words.

1:02:09

I'm not gonna lie. It was really, a really

1:02:10

good piece of writing. Yeah, it really stood out in that scene.

1:02:15

I liked it. Okay, We've talked so much, like I said, this

1:02:16

episode is gonna be a lot longer than

1:02:20

what our usual episode runtimes are.

1:02:22

Let's go ahead and get into

1:02:22

our question of the week.

1:02:29

So I put out a question

1:02:29

on Facebook and Instagram.

1:02:32

I also put it out into just some of

1:02:32

the online communities on Facebook,

1:02:37

and we got a lot of thoughts.

1:02:39

Our question of the week was, what were

1:02:39

your thoughts on the finale, and was it

1:02:43

enough to excite you for seasons 2 and 3?

1:02:46

So I think we got most of them

1:02:46

from Facebook, so I wanted to go

1:02:49

ahead and go through and read them. Since we got so many comments, there are

1:02:51

some that we want to save for maybe a

1:02:56

future episode, and I wish we had time

1:02:56

to read all of them but there is just a

1:03:00

lot, and we're already over time here but

1:03:00

we'll try to get to as many as we can.

1:03:04

Let's go ahead and start with

1:03:04

this first one and I'll, let

1:03:07

me make it bigger because because daddy blind.

1:03:11

Our first comment comes from Krista A.

1:03:14

They say, I thought they handled

1:03:14

the last two episodes very well.

1:03:18

The Ocean Spirit Kaiju, the Ocean Spirit.

1:03:23

looked great and there were many moments

1:03:23

where I felt the emotion hit home.

1:03:27

I hope they take criticism going

1:03:27

into season 2 and 3 and improve upon

1:03:33

the area of the show that need it. I 100% agree with Krista.

1:03:39

I hope that they take some of the

1:03:39

things that the fandom is saying.

1:03:43

to, As constructive criticism

1:03:43

and improve the next season.

1:03:48

I like the previous episode for this

1:03:49

one, but I thought that despite all

1:03:53

of my complaints earlier, I still

1:03:53

think that they did this one very

1:03:56

well as far as the cinematography they're doing.

1:04:01

With certain characters that

1:04:01

aren't following the cartoon,

1:04:06

I like what they're doing. And also, I hope they listen

1:04:07

to the fandom, but I'm guessing

1:04:13

that they already have two in

1:04:13

at least season two ready to go.

1:04:19

Go. Probably set on

1:04:21

on what they want to do. So we just gotta cross

1:04:23

our fingers and Hope

1:04:27

But, if, I mean, if you're playing

1:04:28

off this episode, I'm re

1:04:31

I'm excited for season two. Okay, let's go to our next one.

1:04:34

So this is from Rainier D. And they said, Stakes being raised

1:04:36

with how Aang agreed to be a conduit of

1:04:40

vengeance and could possibly have been

1:04:40

lost forever, fueling a bit of that, in

1:04:44

the wrong time and era headspace he's

1:04:44

in really amped up the weight of the

1:04:48

scene for me because back then it was

1:04:48

just, when they say back then I believe

1:04:53

they're referring to the cartoon, It

1:04:53

was just Aang speaking with the avatar's

1:04:57

voice sinking into a pool with no

1:04:57

real understanding of what's happening

1:05:01

and then Yue's death hit harder here

1:05:01

for me than it did in the cartoon,

1:05:06

since we got quite the amount of time

1:05:06

getting to know her character more.

1:05:09

And I loved how the actress portrayed her. That wig, though, girl,

1:05:12

they did you wrong.

1:05:14

Um, to choose just a couple points

1:05:16

here, cause it would've Yeah,

1:05:21

Yeah, we didn't talk about the,

1:05:21

how they added in the possibility

1:05:26

of Aang being lost forever.

1:05:29

Yue had done that explanation which

1:05:29

I guess was okay, but I do like that

1:05:34

they increase the stakes a little bit.

1:05:37

it felt a little bit exposition y to

1:05:37

me in a moment that needs to be like

1:05:41

quick and, it's such a crucial moment

1:05:41

at that point, but, it is what it is.

1:05:47

I do agree that Yue's death here hit

1:05:47

harder for me than in the cartoon.

1:05:52

Know her kind of in a different way.

1:05:57

Rainier seems to think that the Avatar

1:05:57

scene going in the water was good.

1:06:02

I agree! Pauline does not. Rainier.

1:06:04

Um, They didn't pull him down in the

1:06:06

Oh yeah, I guess that's one part that I

1:06:06

don't quite agree with, but that's okay.

1:06:10

That's the great thing about the fandom. We don't have to have the same opinions.

1:06:14

Okay, you want to read next one?

1:06:17

one is from Kevin K.

1:06:20

You know who that is! Right, Wes? says, Zhao seems to have become

1:06:22

a spirit expert awfully quick.

1:06:28

Also went from finally getting

1:06:28

in the game to, I will replace

1:06:32

the Fire Lord, a bit quickly. Overall, I enjoyed this entire season

1:06:35

and I'm excited for next season.

1:06:39

I like that they are not

1:06:39

following cartoon too closely.

1:06:44

I hope they change more. What fun is it if you

1:06:46

already know the ending?

1:06:49

And Kevin is an Air Nomad.

1:06:52

they said that they are a

1:06:52

self proclaimed Air Nomad

1:06:56

I happen to know Kevin,

1:06:56

and he's not an air

1:07:00

Nomad. You don't think so? I think he is.

1:07:02

he needs the Um, But going to what Kevin said here

1:07:03

you guys happen to actually agree

1:07:10

with the whole Zhao wanting to, saying

1:07:10

that he wants to become the Fire

1:07:14

like it just came out of nowhere.

1:07:17

No, I mean Oh, I was just saying

1:07:20

Oh, I was just saying you already know

1:07:20

that I don't 100 percent agree, I mean,

1:07:23

that I liked it, I was fine with it. was fine with it.

1:07:29

can see that. I can see that. I will agree with Kevin when they

1:07:31

say that that they like the cartoon

1:07:35

isn't following too closely. And that it's more fun if

1:07:38

closely that it's more fun if

1:07:38

Back when we first started this

1:07:43

journey. Mm-Hmm. I'd be like, well they better, we were

1:07:45

all like, they better do this right.

1:07:49

You know, I was okay with changes.

1:07:52

Okay, mind then, I'm gonna

1:07:54

No, but you were you No!

1:07:57

Our,, our next comment, You read it because I have it in blue

1:07:59

and I, it messed up my pattern, so I

1:08:03

I get to read two in a row. Yeah. Our next comment comes from Robert J.

1:08:08

They say, I just hate that they

1:08:08

didn't show him waterbending.

1:08:13

That's the point of book one. Other than that.

1:08:15

Can't wait till they drop the second one. Robert is talking about Aang

1:08:20

Which he's correct. Book one.

1:08:24

so we, I did ask Pauline a question

1:08:24

while we were watching this last episode.

1:08:29

Was Aang waterbending when he

1:08:29

came up in the ball of air at the

1:08:35

Or water. of, well yeah, so was he waterbending?

1:08:38

And you brush it off as, well,

1:08:38

he's in the Avatar state.

1:08:43

Yeah, I don't, I mean I mean he was waterbending.

1:08:45

But He was channeling all the past avatars,

1:08:46

so it's not that he learned waterbending.

1:08:51

That's just Avatar State stuff. We can't count that.

1:08:54

we got to see him waterbend I don't think that was

1:08:56

for like When he When he was in the ball thing.

1:09:00

Yeah, I don't think that's waterbending. think that's waterbending.

1:09:04

Yeah, Yeah, I didn't see any waterbending.

1:09:06

I know we didn't talk about it,

1:09:06

I don't think we talked about

1:09:13

I know we didn't talk about I don't

1:09:13

think we talked about it too much in

1:09:15

the previous episode, but I also wish

1:09:15

that they had shown Aang learning

1:09:20

some waterbending from Katara, or

1:09:20

at the very least, Pakku being like,

1:09:24

Oh, you haven't learned waterbending? Well, let's Teach you

1:09:26

something, but it is what it is.

1:09:30

Hopefully they rectify it in season two.

1:09:33

So moving on, let's read thoughts from

1:09:33

La'shandria W, and they said, The only

1:09:39

thing I'm mad about with the finale

1:09:39

is that General Zhao's speech about

1:09:43

Azula would have been an excellent

1:09:43

introduction For her for the future series

1:09:47

if they hadn't ruined her character.

1:09:50

What do you think? Do you agree that Azula

1:09:51

character was ruined?

1:09:55

I think this speech would've been

1:09:55

an excellent introduction, but I'm

1:09:57

curious to see or to hear what you think

1:09:57

about just her character in general.

1:10:02

Yeah, I would say that, how

1:10:02

they ended this episode.

1:10:07

Kind of makes me not like her. But this was like the first time

1:10:08

where I was like, okay, what the heck?

1:10:12

Because So she shows up

1:10:12

and Omashu has fallen.

1:10:16

We don't know how, don't know what capacity she

1:10:18

had in Omashu falling, but then

1:10:23

she's like, takes off her mask. Okay. What's next?

1:10:26

What did you do? Just your presence there?

1:10:29

There's blanks we have to fill in, and

1:10:29

I don't think they have to show it.

1:10:33

Okay, they have to show it. There's some things about Azula that I

1:10:34

liked and then some things that I didn't.

1:10:38

Mainly because I don't know

1:10:38

what it means for her character

1:10:42

moving forward, but we will see,

1:10:45

for her character moving forward.

1:10:50

But, we will see.

1:10:54

It didn't show it, but

1:10:58

It didn't show it, but we find out

1:10:58

in what he says that, oh, that is

1:11:02

how Zhao found out because they

1:11:02

didn't show that they No, no, no, no.

1:11:07

Because Zhao apparently at some point

1:11:07

wrote to Azula talking about some

1:11:13

sword, and she's like, you know what? That sounds like my brother's

1:11:15

brother's sword. Yeah, there are no photographs. Those sound exactly like

1:11:18

my brother's swords.

1:11:20

Yeah. No I could see it happening.

1:11:24

Okay, do you want to read this next one from Tony? Next one's from Tony

1:11:26

S The finale was okay.

1:11:30

Didn't like how Aang didn't learn any

1:11:30

water bending, you know, Pakku, All that

1:11:35

time you were telling Aang he should

1:11:35

have been learning on his journey.

1:11:40

You could have been teaching him water bending. Preach.

1:11:43

season one was mostly good, not great.

1:11:46

I have my issues with it, but I

1:11:46

can see it improving if done right.

1:11:50

So I'm looking forward

1:11:50

to season two and three.

1:11:52

It will be cool seeing them in live

1:11:52

action, even if they're not good.

1:11:57

I watch with my sister who, along with

1:11:57

me, grew up on the cartoon and love it.

1:12:02

We do a rewatch every year.

1:12:04

Oh, I love that. Yeah, sharing it with the

1:12:07

Yes, for sure. And I think I'm in the same boat

1:12:09

that, some things there were

1:12:12

issues and then other things He's right though.

1:12:15

Pakku didn't teach Aang anything.

1:12:18

Yeah, Paku, you could have been a reason? He didn't even give us a reason why.

1:12:23

Because he taught Katara, right?

1:12:26

No, he didn't. In this, he hasn't taught Katara anything.

1:12:30

That's true. So yeah Pakku, useless.

1:12:36

Okay, so then, we have Robert r.

1:12:39

says, I loved some things

1:12:39

and did not like others.

1:12:42

I wanted Admiral Zhao to be

1:12:42

taken by the ocean spirit.

1:12:45

I loved the idea of the ocean getting

1:12:45

revenge for the moon's murder.

1:12:49

Even so, this is way better than

1:12:49

the movie that does not exist.

1:12:53

Yeah, I agree, Robert, I wish that they

1:12:53

had kept it, because that's how

1:12:56

I saw it as a kid, was that was

1:12:56

the ocean getting revenge for,

1:13:00

kid, was that was the

1:13:00

ocean getting revenge for

1:13:06

So, but, you know,

1:13:08

but, who knows, maybe they

1:13:08

have special plans for the next

1:13:11

season, in regards to this,

1:13:13

You want to read this next one. Okay, our next comment

1:13:15

comes from Carlos L.

1:13:19

They say, I was highly disappointed.

1:13:22

There are so many things to discuss,

1:13:22

but I'm going to need some tea first.

1:13:27

Hashtag, so disappointed.

1:13:29

Get that tea, Carlos. There are so many things to discuss.

1:13:33

I wouldn't say I'm super disappointed

1:13:33

because I still enjoyed it quite

1:13:37

a bit, but I can appreciate

1:13:37

their opinion, and that's fair.

1:13:41

There were, so there were some

1:13:41

highs that were really great about

1:13:45

this series, but there was also

1:13:45

equally or maybe more, some lows.

1:13:50

Oh, you think more so? there are so many things to improve on.

1:13:56

Yeah. yeah. Okay. Okay, so then we have

1:13:58

thoughts from Maddie K.

1:14:02

They said, I thought it was

1:14:02

okay, good even, but not great.

1:14:06

I have a couple gripes about

1:14:06

how some things were done.

1:14:09

One, Yue's sacrifice, it

1:14:09

didn't really hit that hard.

1:14:13

And also, waterbender?

1:14:15

Two, Aang didn't water when was she a waterbender?

1:14:19

yeah, okay. This is a lot. Okay, so I was in the same boat at

1:14:20

first in the previous episode about

1:14:26

like, why is Yue a waterbender? They better have a good point

1:14:28

to this or else it's, pointless.

1:14:31

But upon rewatching this episode I think it was

1:14:33

it was okay. And she was able to waterbend Sokka

1:14:34

to um, like waterbend the ice around

1:14:41

his feet so that he couldn't move. waterbend the ice he couldn't move.

1:14:51

And it's okay that she's a waterbender,

1:14:51

I think, because she's their

1:14:56

spiritual guide and she's a healer.

1:14:59

Yeah, well, people have different

1:14:59

opinions and that's, it's okay.

1:15:03

So two, Aang didn't waterbend like

1:15:03

at all, which we agreed on that one.

1:15:08

Number three, Katara went from zero

1:15:08

to 100 in two episodes and everyone

1:15:12

started calling her a master,

1:15:12

but I don't know, her bending is

1:15:15

still just okay in my opinion. I'm not getting the quote

1:15:17

unquote master vibe yet.

1:15:21

Uh, I do think Katara, uh,

1:15:21

Katara's skills grew a little too

1:15:26

fast, or in an unexplained way.

1:15:30

I disagree on that because that's what

1:15:30

makes Katara so special is that she

1:15:36

can pick up just by watching other

1:15:36

waterbenders now She can pick up

1:15:40

so fast, which does not necessarily

1:15:44

mean She shouldn't be called

1:15:45

a master right now.

1:15:48

I agree some that part. Yeah, like you ain't even close

1:15:49

But It's okay that she picked up

1:15:54

so fast because that's what makes

1:15:54

Katara so unique as a waterbender.

1:15:58

I can't say that I 100 percent agree,

1:15:58

but I can see where you're coming from.

1:16:03

So four, and this is still Maddie, I

1:16:03

didn't like the whole thing where they

1:16:07

were like, Aang doesn't exist anymore,

1:16:07

he's given his body over to the ocean

1:16:11

spirit and he's gone forever now. Like, No he's not, he went back

1:16:13

to normal a few minutes later.

1:16:16

Why so dramatic for no reason? I normal a few minutes later.

1:16:24

Why so dramatic for no That

1:16:24

was pretty quick, I will say.

1:16:35

JK. JK. and they rushed in that

1:16:37

piece of information when

1:16:40

it was like most convenient. And yeah, I don't have an idea of how

1:16:41

they could have done it better, but

1:16:46

just, yeah.

1:16:49

It's awful!

1:16:52

I think we

1:16:56

Rose and Titanic have all been in an uproar.

1:17:06

I think we would have all been in an uproar. Interesting thought, though.

1:17:11

And then Maddy goes on to say, I did

1:17:11

think the live action Ocean Spirit was

1:17:14

cool though, a bit of a Godzilla vibe. This show has so much potential to

1:17:16

be good with a couple changes in

1:17:20

directing and writing, agree there,

1:17:20

and the internet has certainly

1:17:23

been giving this feedback, loudly.

1:17:26

I have some hope that the writers

1:17:26

will take this feedback and

1:17:29

seasons 2 and 3 could be better.

1:17:31

I'm really enjoying Zuko's arc too and

1:17:31

excited to see Toph in live action.

1:17:35

So, I'm definitely going to keep watching. Zuko's arc too and excited to

1:17:37

see Toph in live action, so I'm

1:17:50

definitely going to watching.

1:17:53

Yeah, and well, I would much rather

1:18:02

do that trend versus, oh, the first

1:18:02

season was great and then it fizzles out.

1:18:08

So I'd rather have it be that way. Okay. Do you want to read the next one?

1:18:11

you want to read the next one?

1:18:15

I hate how Katara doesn't study with

1:18:15

Pakku, and has just declared a master.

1:18:20

I'm all for demonstrating strong

1:18:20

women, but she had zero instruction

1:18:24

and was just declared a master. The show at least portrayed her

1:18:26

excelling as a student under him.

1:18:30

It feels so lazy to just

1:18:30

declare her a master.

1:18:33

I Interesting. What do you think?

1:18:36

mean, I agree. But, you could look at it, if you

1:18:37

hadn't seen the cartoon, you could

1:18:42

Yeah, but I think for me, the problem

1:18:42

with that, though, is that it doesn't

1:18:53

leave much room for growth with

1:18:58

It didn't have to be Pakku that

1:18:58

was teaching her, but I could

1:19:02

have been fine with that too. But if, one, it showed just a little bit

1:19:03

more of a struggle for her, so then you

1:19:09

can feel that growth at the end when she

1:19:09

is a little bit more skilled at the end of

1:19:14

this season that would have been better.

1:19:16

And then two two, um I feel they did, but that

1:19:22

I feel they did, but that was also

1:19:22

with the help of Aang, too, though.

1:19:27

We could get into that whole get it to that point.

1:19:31

Yeah. I think if Yeah I think if they just showed a little

1:19:33

bit more of her journey as a waterbender,

1:19:39

it would've been a lot better And then

1:19:39

we could have accepted that, Pakku didn't

1:19:46

have to do any instruction with her.

1:19:49

I do agree that she's not a master.

1:19:51

But no, it was

1:19:55

no, it was just that kid. I mean, I can't say like, this is

1:19:56

the show saying, oh, she is a master.

1:20:00

That one kid just happened to

1:20:00

call her master, she doesn't

1:20:04

even think she's a master. But, They, yeah, they just need to do

1:20:06

better in the next season with Katara's

1:20:11

arc and allow room for her to grow.

1:20:13

So, okay, so I'll go ahead

1:20:13

and read the next one.

1:20:16

So this is from Dale W.

1:20:18

And they said, so this is them saying

1:20:18

how the original is versus Netflix.

1:20:23

They said, original, it's like, No,

1:20:23

it's not over, which is what Aang says,

1:20:29

then fuses with the ocean spirit, and

1:20:29

then Netflix says that Aang's like,

1:20:34

no, it's not over, insert overly long

1:20:34

monologue, adding useless melodrama,

1:20:38

and then fuses with the ocean spirit.

1:20:41

Haha. I think this is exactly what I'm

1:20:43

what I was trying to convey earlier.

1:20:47

I think Dale just Conveyed it for me.

1:20:49

in the cartoon, Aang does the Avatar

1:20:49

state voice, says, no, it's not over,

1:20:54

and then just immediately goes into

1:20:54

him fusing with the ocean spirit,

1:21:00

and it's a little bit mysterious, and

1:21:00

you're looking to see what is going on,

1:21:06

But then, in this version,

1:21:09

there's, I think it was just like the monologue

1:21:09

and the exposition that was shoved in

1:21:14

there that made it less intense for me.

1:21:17

I think this is what I was trying to say earlier. Does it make a little bit more sense now?

1:21:22

No? Well, I like the monologue,

1:21:23

so I can't say it both ways.

1:21:27

But I like the monologue.

1:21:30

Like, Yeah, I'm not, something about not being

1:21:32

a part of this time?

1:21:34

I couldn't save my people,

1:21:34

but I could save these

1:21:37

Is that where we got the

1:21:37

flashbacks of the Avatars, too?

1:21:40

When it flashbacks to what Kyoshi

1:21:40

said, what Kurek said, what Roku said.

1:21:44

Yeah. that was just a lot shoved

1:21:47

Okay. Well, I liked it. Sorry. Well, you're so excited about it

1:21:49

because he's agreeing with you.

1:21:51

Well, I'm just well, they,

1:21:53

it in I'm just saying Dale put it in, Dale

1:21:54

put it in better context than I did.

1:21:59

Okay, we'll Okay, we'll move on.

1:22:01

Thank you, Dale. Thank you, Dale. Okay, Moving to our next comment.

1:22:05

It's from Taylor C. They say, First time I

1:22:07

watched it, I gave it a 7.

1:22:11

5 out of 10. Using the cabbage rating.

1:22:15

The finale definitely

1:22:15

raised my opinion of it.

1:22:19

When I rewatched it, I felt

1:22:19

it deserved a 9 out of 10.

1:22:23

They kept true to the story. later seasons, I think because

1:22:25

they weren't sure if they would

1:22:30

be renewed for them, and wanted

1:22:30

us to enjoy those characters if

1:22:35

they only had one shot at it.

1:22:37

CGI was great and casting

1:22:37

was perfect in my mind.

1:22:41

Huh, Taylor does Bring up a good

1:22:41

point that, um, whenever shows are

1:22:46

made, you don't necessarily know

1:22:46

how many seasons you're gonna get

1:22:49

or if you're gonna get a new season. So, I guess they had to keep in

1:22:51

mind that they possibly weren't

1:22:55

going to get a second season. I wonder if that is part of the

1:22:57

reason why they brought certain

1:22:59

things from season two into this one.

1:23:02

So, That's a good point. a great different viewpoint of watching

1:23:03

it, not knowing if you have a next season.

1:23:09

Yeah, and, uh, they agreed

1:23:18

things that that you may not have, you

1:23:18

know, upon watching it the first time.

1:23:22

And they agreed that CGI was awesome. Yeah, I mean, I think

1:23:25

everybody could agree. I don't know.

1:23:27

I don't think I've seen a negative

1:23:27

comment about the effects in this.

1:23:32

Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Okay, so then the next one is from Robert

1:23:33

R., and they said, I loved some things

1:23:38

and did not Wait, did I already read this?

1:23:41

I did read this. Oh, it's a duplicate comment.

1:23:44

That is my bad. Oh, did I accidentally write over?

1:23:47

over So I got the last get the last one.

1:23:50

our last one for this podcast.

1:23:52

Our last one for this episode is from Sarah S.

1:23:56

They say, I enjoyed it. I'm actually watching the whole season

1:23:58

again for the second time, and picking

1:24:02

up things I missed the first time around. I love the animated version, but

1:24:04

I enjoy the live action as well.

1:24:08

I'm really looking forward to

1:24:08

season 2 and 3, and hope they

1:24:11

smooth out some of the kinks. My dad watched it with my daughter and I.

1:24:15

He never watched the animated. He liked it and has since watched

1:24:16

some of the animated version with me.

1:24:20

Awesome. I love that!

1:24:22

Um, I do agree that there are some kinks

1:24:22

to smooth out and hopefully, they do that.

1:24:28

I think it's awesome that Sarah has pulled her

1:24:29

dad into this awesome cartoon series.

1:24:35

I wonder how many, People watched

1:24:35

the live action adaptation without

1:24:41

having seen Avatar before and then

1:24:41

went back and watched the cartoon

1:24:44

and what their thoughts are. So if this is you, if you're in this

1:24:45

boat where you've never seen the

1:24:49

cartoon before and then went back

1:24:49

and watched it because of the Netflix

1:24:54

series, we'd love to hear what you

1:24:56

Oh gosh, that would be crazy. It's much different watching it when

1:24:58

you know what's going to happen and also

1:25:02

watching it as an adult versus a lot of us

1:25:02

who watched it when we were much younger.

1:25:06

So I would be interested to see what those

1:25:09

Their, yeah, their opinions would be

1:25:12

interesting. Interesting. Back

1:25:27

For those who, you know, want to engage

1:25:27

and join in on our conversation we

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1:25:52

Before we close out this very

1:25:52

long episode, do you have

1:25:56

any closing thoughts, Wes? I am feeling optimistic.

1:26:00

I think they've done just enough

1:26:04

well, obviously they've done just

1:26:04

enough to get a new season, yeah.

1:26:08

Not only that, they've got two more seasons. I think they should

1:26:11

Shortened that leash and

1:26:11

gave them one more season.

1:26:13

But there is a lot they need to tweak.

1:26:16

Mm-Hmm. like, I like some of, the comment,

1:26:17

you know, kinks, they got a lot of

1:26:21

kinks that they need to work out. Yeah. But this has potential, I'm not giving up.

1:26:26

It does. I really, I truly did enjoy this episode.

1:26:31

Even though I had some gripes, but

1:26:31

this was just an episode that I

1:26:36

really cared about, therefore I had

1:26:36

to bring some of those things up.

1:26:40

But even though some of it may

1:26:40

have sounded negative for me,

1:26:43

it was I still really enjoyed

1:26:43

it, so don't get me wrong there.

1:26:47

I'm looking forward to the next season. It's gonna be a while.

1:26:50

I want to point out how super hard

1:26:51

it was to watch one episode a week.

1:26:57

sorry fellas, guys, gals.

1:27:01

It was super hard and it shouldn't

1:27:01

have been because I'm older.

1:27:07

I came from a time where we

1:27:07

had to wait to watch stuff.

1:27:11

But now I am conditioned to binge

1:27:11

and it was super hard and it felt

1:27:18

wore out by the, since now that

1:27:18

we're here, I've kind of wore out.

1:27:22

I don't know why. Well, because it felt like homework

1:27:25

of Felt like sometimes.

1:27:27

And, well, I guess it's because, I guess

1:27:27

my memory's not as good as it used to be.

1:27:31

Same. Harking back on other

1:27:32

episodes is hard to do.

1:27:36

It is. But I've enjoyed our journey and

1:27:40

It's not over for our next episode,

1:27:43

Our podcast Yes.

1:27:45

which we're going to talk about what? So I think, well, we're going to

1:27:48

do a season one wrap up and just

1:27:52

talk about everything as a whole. And like I said, we'll, I want to have an

1:27:54

episode where we do more like comparisons

1:27:59

between the cartoon and Netflix.

1:28:02

So that'll be a more of an episode

1:28:02

for longtime fans and that'll have

1:28:06

More spoilers to it but yeah, I mean,

1:28:06

I think we have at least six more

1:28:11

episodes planned regarding season one

1:28:11

of the live action and then we might

1:28:15

possibly get into recapping the cartoon,

1:28:15

at least for season one, while we wait

1:28:19

for Netflix's season two as well as

1:28:19

some other media, but Yeah, I'm excited

1:28:25

where this journey is gonna take us. I know it was hard to do one episode

1:28:27

a week, and there were some weeks

1:28:31

where it's like, man, I wish we

1:28:31

hadn't decided to do it this way.

1:28:35

But I really like extending

1:28:35

the conversation and and what's

1:28:41

the word I'm looking for? Basically, I don't want to stop talking

1:28:42

about this because with Our binge culture,

1:28:48

if we binge something in one weekend, we

1:28:48

talk about it for, a shorter amount of

1:28:53

time and then we're on to the next thing. So as hard as it was, I'm glad

1:28:54

that we were able to slowly take

1:28:59

in the season and really savor it.

1:29:01

Yeah. I think we need to rethink our schedule

1:29:02

a little bit for the next season and

1:29:07

trying to get feedback from people. But we're learning, too.

1:29:09

This is our, I don't know if we've

1:29:09

mentioned this before, but this is

1:29:11

our very first podcast and we've

1:29:11

learned a lot through this season.

1:29:15

And hopefully we can improve upon it

1:29:15

and bring you guys even better content.

1:29:20

So I'm actually, I'm excited to restart

1:29:20

this season and just binge it.

1:29:27

No. Oh. I'm excited

1:29:30

I'm excited, but I'm like,

1:29:30

I'm excited for the original,

1:29:32

but, cause we watch that every every night.

1:29:35

But, I'm I'm excited to sit down, lay down, I

1:29:36

don't know, and just binge this series.

1:29:42

Like you're supposed to do.

1:29:45

it is a little bit different with a series

1:29:45

that puts out episodes once a week because

1:29:52

then everybody is on the same page. But this one was hard because we had

1:29:54

to avoid spoilers, we had to avoid

1:29:58

other people's thoughts who did bench

1:29:58

all eight episodes in one weekend

1:30:01

so that was the tough part for me

1:30:01

to avoid all of that noise so but

1:30:06

i am excited for the next season.

1:30:09

It's gonna be nice to sit we're to it.

1:30:17

Forgetting what happened. We gotta, We gotta re watch this.

1:30:20

we do that for our season one recap?

1:30:22

Is just watch it back to Yeah, because we might have different

1:30:24

opinions than what we've had in

1:30:27

how it feels, how it flows. Yeah, I agree.

1:30:30

That's a good idea. But yeah, that's all that I

1:30:33

Mark it down people. She said I had a good idea. I'm gonna put that in my diary, Pauline.

1:30:55

Alright guys, that's our show. Thank you so much for listening to us.

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1:31:23

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1:31:38

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1:31:38

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1:31:41

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1:31:42

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1:31:45

So with that said, and now that we've

1:31:45

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1:31:51

and I'm Wes, you've been listening to Avatar Nation.

1:31:55

See you next time. Love ya.