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, and today we're going to be talking about

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the top eight reasons why

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a narcissist will not change

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. So let's dive

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right in Number

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one . One of the key factors

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or key things that we know about a narcissist

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is that they do

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not have any sense of

1:17

self-awareness . Right , they

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lack insight into

1:22

who they are . They don't see themselves

1:24

as someone

1:27

who's not already potentially perfect

1:29

. Right , they tend to view themselves

1:32

in a way that blinds

1:35

them to their own faults , meaning

1:38

that they don't even see that

1:40

there's anything wrong with them . Right

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, they have a really hard time seeing

1:44

themselves for who they are and

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so , as a result , they don't have the awareness that they would

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need in order to make a change

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because , from their perspective , they're

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not the ones who are maybe

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the problem in the relationship . They

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may not even be aware of

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, potentially , how they might be hurting

2:03

other people with their behavior , and

2:05

because they don't have that sense

2:07

of awareness or have that insight

2:09

into how their behavior impacts

2:12

other people , they

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don't believe that there's anything

2:16

wrong with them . They don't believe that

2:19

they're the ones who need to do any

2:21

kind of work on themselves . I

2:24

hear so many times from my clients about how

2:26

they've been in

2:28

a relationship with a narcissist . They might have encouraged

2:31

their partner to go into couples

2:33

counseling to help the relationship

2:35

because clearly they were having issues

2:37

in the relationship , and what

2:39

happens is is the therapist

2:41

will sometimes give the couple homework

2:44

to do of things that they need to work on for

2:46

themselves , and then they obviously need to work on things

2:48

together in the relationship , and

2:51

a lot of times the narcissist will just

2:53

kind of placate the

2:55

therapist by saying , yes , I'll do that . Yes , no

2:57

problem , okay , I'll work on it . And

2:59

then they come away from a session and there's

3:02

no actual work being done . Personally

3:05

, I've also seen situations

3:07

where a narcissistic partner will

3:09

then maybe sign

3:12

up for or enroll or engage in some

3:14

sort of individual therapy but

3:16

while they might be

3:18

showing up in the office for

3:20

this one hour session with a therapist , they're

3:23

not actually doing the work or digging deep

3:25

to change

3:27

their behavior in any kind of way . They're

3:30

literally just going in and checking a box

3:32

of saying like hey , I showed up , I was there

3:35

, but they're not really doing that deep

3:37

inner work that oftentimes

3:39

the non-narcissistic partner is willing

3:41

and capable of doing . Because they do have

3:44

a sense of self-awareness . Narcissists

3:47

tend to view themselves through somewhat of a lens of perfection

3:50

, right . They believe that how they

3:52

were raised or who they have become is not

3:54

a bad person . They believe that they

3:57

are perfectly fine

3:59

the way that they are . They believe that their upbringing

4:02

was perfectly normal , even if they have

4:04

experienced actual dysfunction in

4:06

their family or perhaps , maybe even

4:08

they've grown up with some significant trauma

4:10

that has occurred . So they're really unaware

4:13

of again who they are , what

4:15

they've been through , the trauma that they hold , and

4:17

they lack the insight to understand

4:20

how their actions impact other people . Number

4:23

two they also have a really fragile

4:26

self-esteem . Right , we've

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talked about how narcissists are deeply

4:30

insecure individuals and

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so , while they might have this outward display

4:35

of confidence , many narcissists

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actually have a very

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fragile sense of self-esteem

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or a very fragile self-esteem . And

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so , because they're so fragile

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and because they're so deeply

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insecure , they're not able

4:52

to acknowledge their flaws or

4:54

their mistakes , because that

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will feel like a direct threat

4:58

to their sense of self . So

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, as a result , they likely

5:02

have adopted different defense

5:04

mechanisms and coping strategies

5:07

to help protect them from

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ever feeling that deep insecurity

5:11

that they hold . And

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so , as a result , because those protective

5:16

mechanisms , those defense patterns

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are so deeply

5:21

ingrained to keep them safe , there's

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no willingness on their part to actually

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change , there's no willingness

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on their part to actually look at the

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parts of them that might be flawed

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or it might make it

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very difficult for them to even acknowledge the mistakes

5:38

that they have made , because then

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they'd have to be vulnerable , then they would

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have to actually see that they're

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not perfect , then they would have to actually

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be in

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a vulnerable place which , when you're very insecure

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, feeling vulnerable , feels

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really unsafe . So

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that's another reason why they're

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never going to change . The other

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thing , number three , which we just touched on

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is they have a fear of vulnerability . In

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order to change , you need to actually

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be able to acknowledge your

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mistakes . You have to acknowledge your

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flaws , you have to acknowledge that you're

6:18

not perfect , you have to acknowledge

6:20

that your behavior might actually

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be hurting somebody else . And

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when people are vulnerable

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and they're able to acknowledge all those

6:30

things , it can leave them open to criticism

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and feeling really unsafe . So

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if they were to be

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vulnerable , that might mean that

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they are weak , that

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might mean that they are not

6:44

perfect . For narcissists , who often

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go to great lengths to

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protect their self-image , the

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process of becoming vulnerable

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, to face and acknowledge

6:58

their behavior , the impact that

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their actions have had on other people , and

7:02

even acknowledging those again , those flaws

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and those weaknesses that they

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have , can feel really

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daunting for them and

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it can end up causing them to feel

7:13

very resistant to

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engaging in any kind of self-improvement

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Because , again , it's too scary

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, they don't feel safe doing it . They

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also number four they also have a really

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deep dependence on narcissistic

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supply to help support their ego

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. As we know , narcissists

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tend to crave admiration , validation

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, attention , recognition , and

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they rely on their

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narcissistic supply to

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boost their self-esteem . So

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, moving away from behaviors that

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might secure them of that

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supply , no

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matter how destructive it is , can be

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really difficult for them . The

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fifth reason why they're

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not going to change is because

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they are in relationships

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and placing themselves in certain

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environments or situations that

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reinforces their harmful behaviors

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. So what does that mean ? That

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means that if the people around

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them whether that's at work or

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at home , in their personal relationships

8:23

are continuing to provide

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admiration and attention and

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recognition and

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maybe even validation

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with some of their behaviors , then it's going to reduce

8:35

their external motivation

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to see that they need to

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make a change . We

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know that a lot of narcissists and

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it can go both ways . Of course there's two

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sides of the spectrum here , but there

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are the narcissists that sit on one side of the spectrum

8:51

where they are very high achieving , they

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are very successful , they do well in their

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job . Some of their narcissistic

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tendencies are what drove them

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to that point or got them to that place

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, and so if they're

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constantly getting reinforced in a work environment

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for being smart , for being

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manipulative they might have been very manipulative

9:12

to even get to where they are or maybe

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they are managing people

9:17

but using tactics that are

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probably a little untoward , but

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people don't really understand that because our corporate

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environments most likely and this is a

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little bit of a blanket statement , but I would say across corporate

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America some of the tactics that people use to get ahead

9:30

the sharp elbows , pushing

9:32

other people down , criticizing other people

9:34

to make themselves look good these are things

9:36

that happen in corporate culture , especially

9:39

here in the , I know , the United States . That's

9:41

very toxic and so that

9:43

lends itself to someone who

9:45

is narcissistic . They

9:48

can get ahead very easily by employing

9:50

these tactics that typically

9:52

are associated with narcissism . So

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it can be really hard when they're getting

9:57

reinforced in one aspect

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of their life to see that they

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need to change or do anything to change

10:04

because it's paying off in some other aspect

10:06

, in some other part of their life

10:08

. So even in their relationships , if you have

10:10

been with a narcissist for a long time

10:12

and maybe you have been feeding

10:15

them that supply , you can get ahead very

10:17

easily by employing . They may not understand

10:19

that they need to change because you've

10:21

been in that relationship for as long as you have

10:23

up until this point . So maybe

10:26

you've been in a 10-year marriage and they

10:28

don't understand . Well , why do I have to change ? I'm

10:31

not any different . You're the one who's changed

10:33

, so obviously you need

10:35

to do some work , because things were fine before

10:37

. Why are things different now

10:39

? And they're not going to take

10:42

accountability for their actions , right ? So that's like

10:44

. Another thing is that narcissists

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don't take accountability for their actions

10:49

, and part of that comes

10:51

down to the fact that they do have these really

10:53

strong defense mechanisms , which

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would be number six out of this list that we're

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giving you today . Those defense mechanisms

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, those defense patterns which

11:03

the narcissist use , and they look like things

11:05

like denial and projection and

11:07

splitting , which

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is kind of like black and white thinking to

11:13

guard against any kind of feelings of inadequacy

11:15

. You're either good or you're bad , you're either powerful

11:18

or you're weak , and

11:22

so by employing

11:24

some of those mechanisms , those defense

11:26

patterns , it becomes so automatic

11:29

that the narcissist is not even maybe

11:31

aware of them . It's just

11:33

kind of almost like a part of who they are and

11:36

that can create really significant barriers

11:38

to change . Because they're not taking

11:40

accountability . They're shifting the blame constantly

11:43

. It's always someone else's fault when

11:46

a narcissist adopts a victim mindset

11:48

. They're looking at their

11:50

life and the circumstances and the things that are happening

11:53

, and there's always someone else to blame for

11:55

it . They're not taking accountability

11:57

, and if they're not taking accountability for

11:59

what's happened , then

12:02

they're not recognizing that they're part of the problem

12:04

. And if they're not part of the problem , then they don't

12:06

need to change . When we talk about narcissistic

12:09

personalities , these

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personalities have developed since childhood

12:14

. They've developed in a response

12:16

to trauma , in response

12:19

to dysfunctional family dynamics

12:21

, and so they have become

12:23

so ingrained into who

12:26

the narcissist is . It impacts

12:28

the way they think , the way they feel

12:30

, the way they behave that

12:32

it really requires a lot of deep

12:35

, intensive work , which

12:39

many narcissists are not going to be willing to

12:41

undertake

12:44

. Again , they don't see themselves . They don't

12:46

see that their way of thinking

12:48

or their way of behaving or

12:51

their emotional dysregulation

12:53

, they don't see that as a problem . And

12:56

it's for all these other reasons that we've already kind of outlined

12:58

right . There's always someone else's fault . Things

13:01

happen to them . There's nothing wrong

13:03

with them . They've been successful

13:05

in certain aspects of their life . These

13:08

other people feel that I'm a good

13:10

person . These other people think that

13:12

, you know , I'm a great partner

13:14

. They think that I'm a great employee

13:17

or whatever . It might be right

13:19

when they're getting that narcissistic supply which just

13:21

reinforces within them that they're

13:24

not the problem , that they don't need to change

13:26

, that they are perfectly fine the way that they

13:28

are and

13:30

a lot of these patterns that they adapt

13:32

, which we know are abusive , right , because they

13:34

lead into emotional abuse and psychological

13:37

abuse . They happen

13:39

below our conscious awareness

13:41

. That even for the narcissist , a lot

13:43

of times like there's a big question is is

13:45

their behavior conscious

13:47

or is their behavior

13:49

subconscious ? Are

13:51

they even aware that what they're doing is hurting

13:53

somebody else ? And again , they do

13:56

lack that self-awareness and there's reasons

13:58

why . It's because they are protecting

14:00

themselves so much , because they

14:02

are so deeply wounded and they are so

14:04

deeply insecure . And then again , like the last

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, top reason why a narcissist

14:09

will not change is because

14:11

a lot of them are actually resistant to therapy

14:13

or resistant to again doing that work

14:15

, because

14:18

admitting that they need help can

14:22

be seen as a sign of weakness and

14:26

because therapy or

14:28

coaching requires a

14:30

deep level of introspection

14:32

and the ability

14:35

to take accountability , because

14:39

that can be so highly uncomfortable for the narcissist

14:42

, they just want to avoid it

14:44

altogether . So

14:46

, understanding that if

14:49

you are in a relationship with a narcissistic

14:51

partner and if you share with

14:53

them , number one I'm just gonna say

14:55

this off the bat I would never suggest that you tell

14:57

a narcissist that you think that they are narcissists

15:00

, because that could backfire in your face

15:02

and it could actually escalate the abuse . It's

15:05

also not going to be effective because they are going

15:07

to project and blame

15:09

, shift and mince your words

15:11

and twist them all around , and

15:16

it's just not going to provide you

15:18

with a productive outcome . It's

15:20

not going to actually encourage them

15:22

or motivate them to change . So

15:24

don't do that . But

15:27

I think understanding all the reasons why

15:29

they're not going to change and why you shouldn't

15:31

be holding out hope that they're going to change

15:34

is important . Now

15:37

we do see sometimes that narcissists , when

15:39

push comes to shove , if they feel like they're

15:41

going to be losing their narcissistic supply

15:43

ie you , the partner

15:45

in the relationship who's been giving them the

15:47

supply for so long or if they

15:49

believe that ending the relationship says

15:51

something about them or that it's going

15:54

to impact their self-image

15:56

in some way , then

15:59

they're likely going to try whatever

16:01

tactic they have to try in order

16:03

to keep you in that relationship . And

16:06

that could mean that they do agree

16:08

to go to therapy , whether that's

16:10

couples counseling or individual therapy

16:13

or both . But what

16:15

you will find is that that's

16:17

only going to last for so long

16:19

and they are literally doing it as

16:21

a way to placate you , so

16:25

that you feel like

16:27

the relationship is still safe , so

16:29

that you have hope that they're

16:32

going to change . And as long as you

16:34

have hope that they're going to change , you

16:37

will stay in that relationship which benefits

16:40

them . So remember , a narcissist

16:42

is not going to do anything unless

16:44

they believe there's something in it for

16:47

them . And that's

16:49

something that's in it for them , if they

16:51

were to go to therapy or work with

16:53

a coach , would be that they get to keep

16:55

their relationship . And

16:59

maybe you might be thinking well , why

17:01

would they want to stay in a relationship with me if they don't

17:03

even really love me ? Well

17:06

, there also might be other reasons

17:08

why the relationship is beneficial

17:11

for them . Do you

17:13

provide them with a lifestyle

17:15

that they could not

17:17

achieve or attain or have without

17:20

you ? Maybe

17:22

you're the higher earner in

17:24

the relationship and maybe that's the reason why

17:26

. Or maybe

17:28

it could be that they might even believe

17:31

that being the quote unquote family

17:33

guy is the image

17:35

that they want to uphold , or

17:38

the image that they earn so

17:40

much or they're so

17:42

successful in their job that

17:44

it allows for the luxury

17:47

of having their wife at home . So

17:49

I'm just giving you some examples as to

17:51

why , potentially , a narcissist

17:54

will attempt to

17:57

show that they are changing

17:59

, or might even take steps

18:01

to prove

18:05

that they are trying to change

18:07

. And while that

18:09

might keep you in the relationship for longer

18:11

, in the long run you will likely see that

18:13

the changes are not going to stick . When

18:16

push comes to shove , when things

18:18

get stressful , when you

18:20

set a boundary or when you do something

18:22

that they don't approve of or they don't like or

18:26

that isn't in compliance with what they want

18:29

, you will

18:31

likely see the same patterns , the

18:33

same manipulative tactics , the

18:36

same defense mechanisms resurface again

18:38

. So

18:40

they are never truly going to make

18:43

the deep change that they need

18:45

to make in

18:48

order for you to feel emotionally

18:50

safe in the relationship . And

18:52

that's what this all comes down to . If

18:55

you are in a relationship with a narcissist and you were trying

18:57

to decide should I stay or should

18:59

I go , I want you to focus

19:01

on how you're feeling in the relationship

19:03

. Do you feel emotionally safe ? Do

19:07

you feel physically safe ? Do

19:10

you feel like you are losing

19:14

your mind , or that your sanity is

19:16

going , or that you are losing your

19:18

memory of things ? Because

19:21

, again , that could come down to the tactics

19:23

that the narcissist is using to make you doubt your

19:26

sense of reality , make you not

19:28

forget what happened . They're just twisting

19:31

it all around and telling you that that's not what happened

19:33

and that something else happened , even though you

19:35

remember it differently . So it might make

19:37

you question whether or not you can remember what

19:41

actually occurred . So

19:44

, again , I would highly encourage you to

19:46

go back and listen to the episode that I

19:48

put out back in

19:50

January of 2024 with

19:52

the internal red flags the 12

19:55

internal red flags to

19:57

help you identify whether or not you're in a narcissistic

19:59

relationship , because

20:01

that's really important . How you are feeling in the

20:03

relationship is more important than if the narcissist

20:05

can change , because

20:08

I'm telling you right now , there is a very

20:11

low likelihood that the narcissist will change

20:13

. We also

20:15

say how narcissists oftentimes have little

20:17

to no empathy . We

20:20

know that we can learn empathy . However

20:23

, the only way to be able to

20:26

learn empathy

20:28

is you need to be able to

20:31

be self-aware . You need

20:33

to be able to understand

20:35

what someone else is feeling

20:38

. You need to be able to understand

20:40

how , maybe , your actions impact

20:42

other people . You need to be

20:44

able to acknowledge what

20:47

someone else might need in a situation

20:49

when they're struggling , and

20:52

that can't happen if you don't

20:54

have a high degree of empathy

20:56

, or if you lack awareness

20:59

, or if

21:01

you are uncomfortable

21:03

like wildly uncomfortable

21:05

with vulnerability , because

21:08

empathy requires vulnerability . So

21:11

, while empathy can be learned

21:13

, understand that there are all of these

21:15

other dynamics of play . There

21:18

are all of these narcissistic traits

21:21

that are going to disallow for

21:23

a narcissist to

21:26

be able

21:28

to respond in an emotionally

21:30

appropriate way when they see you

21:32

struggling and be able

21:34

to empathize with that

21:36

. Right , because there's different types of empathy

21:38

and we can do a whole other episode on the different

21:40

types of empathy . So a narcissist might be able

21:43

to recognize what

21:45

you're feeling , right , they might be able to

21:47

recognize , maybe , that you're angry , but knowing how to respond to that

21:49

in an emotionally appropriate

21:51

way , that's a different type of empathy . So

21:53

, in a more appropriate way , that's a different type of empathy

21:56

, okay , so

21:59

anyway , I really hope that that helps . I

22:01

hope that this gave you a clear understanding

22:03

as to why a narcissist will

22:06

not change and

22:08

, again , like I can't say that no

22:10

narcissist ever on this entire planet

22:13

will ever , ever change

22:15

. There are varying degrees of narcissism

22:17

. Some people just have more

22:19

narcissistic tendencies than

22:22

others , but may not actually have

22:24

a narcissistic personality . The

22:26

difference I would say there is that we all number

22:28

one . We all have narcissistic tendencies in

22:31

us , but if we are not employing

22:33

behaviors that are hurtful

22:35

, if that are not abusive to other

22:37

people , then we are not a narcissist Again

22:40

, I hope that helps . I just

22:42

want you to go in with full awareness

22:45

. If you are in a relationship with a narcissist and

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they're telling you that they're going to change or they are showing

22:49

you in some way that they are trying to change

22:52

, that you don't hold out too

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much hope . Allow

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their actions to prove to you

22:58

whether or not it's possible . And

23:01

their actions need to be consistent . Making

23:04

change is very hard . Obviously

23:07

, there's not going to be consistency right off the bat . You

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need to set a timeframe

23:12

that you are comfortable with for when you would

23:14

like to see the change be

23:16

consistent in the relationship . That

23:19

doesn't have to be communicated out loud to

23:21

your partner . It's just for your own

23:23

sake of sanity and peace of mind

23:25

. So , in other words , if

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you're in a relationship with a narcissist and they are like I'm going

23:31

to go to therapy , I'm going to do this work , and

23:33

you're like , okay , great , and you

23:35

want to give them the opportunity because you don't want to

23:37

end the relationship Maybe you've got kids that are involved

23:40

, and so you want to make sure you give

23:42

it your all . You want

23:44

to give it one last shot , just to see

23:46

. You're going to be doing the work on yourself , your

23:49

partner is going to be doing the work on his or herself

23:51

, and so , as a result , maybe

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you're like , okay , let's just see what happens

23:55

. Well , you need to still

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set a timeline in your mind as

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to how long you're going to wait for those

24:02

changes to take place . I

24:05

wouldn't say that you should only give them a month . It's

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very hard for people to change their behavior within one month

24:10

. These behaviors are

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so ingrained in them . So

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it's going to take a lot of work , it's going to

24:16

take a lot of time , but

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is it reasonable to say six months , maybe

24:21

three months ? Yeah , maybe

24:23

Could it be a year

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, maybe , but what are you sacrificing

24:28

in the meantime ? So that's important to be aware

24:30

of and that's important for you to assess and understand

24:32

and have in the back of your mind

24:34

of like , how much am I willing to sacrifice

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to stay in this relationship , to wait for this person

24:39

to make the changes that they need

24:41

to make so that I feel emotionally

24:44

safe in the relationship , so that I feel

24:46

like I'm not being manipulated , so

24:48

that I feel like I can trust

24:50

them again . That's a big question

24:52

. If you're being manipulated all

24:54

of the time , it's going to be very hard for you

24:56

to trust the narcissist

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. And once the trust is gone

25:01

, it takes a lot to win that back

25:03

. And

25:05

if this were a healthy person , it

25:08

might be reasonable to

25:10

try to rebuild that trust . But

25:12

with a narcissist who is manipulative

25:14

, who is oftentimes acting

25:17

, saying or doing things that

25:19

are in their own best interest with

25:23

an underlying motivation to

25:26

keep their narcissistic supply , it's

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going to be really hard . You

25:33

may not ever be able to trust

25:35

them again in a way where

25:37

you feel emotionally safe , in a way where you can then

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recreate that emotional intimacy in

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your relationship . So

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these are all just things to think about . I

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really hope that helps . If you've got any questions , please

25:48

feel free to reach out to me on Instagram

25:50

at Carissa Step . We also have our podcast

25:52

website , steppingintomeetingfulrelationshipscom

25:55

. If you are looking for support , if

25:57

you feel like you are in a narcissistic relationship

25:59

and you want support to help you get

26:02

to a place where you can become clear

26:04

about what you should

26:06

be doing in your relationship , about decisions that

26:08

you need to make for yourself , for

26:10

your family , then come join

26:12

us in Stronger . This is my narcissistic

26:15

trauma recovery group . We have

26:17

been meeting since the beginning of February

26:20

. We do have all of the content

26:22

. You can go back and watch replays so you're not

26:24

behind in any kind of way . Once a week

26:26

we do group coaching , where I'm teaching

26:28

on content , skills , tools , all

26:30

that . Right now we're actually working on mapping the nervous system

26:32

, which is so important if you've been in a narcissistic

26:35

relationship . And then the

26:37

second call during the week is a connection call where

26:39

you get to sit in a love seat . You could volunteer

26:41

for a love seat where I will coach

26:44

you on what you are experiencing , what you're

26:46

going through , the time for me to

26:48

answer any questions that the group has and

26:51

it's really been an amazing , amazing experience

26:53

so far , at least for me running it , but also

26:55

from the feedback that I'm getting , it seems like everyone's

26:58

really getting a lot out of it , which is amazing . We

27:00

also have an incredible community of women that

27:02

are there to support you as well , which

27:05

is also amazing . So you can

27:07

get validation from your

27:09

experiences by talking to these

27:11

other women who've also experienced what you have been

27:13

through , and I'd love

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to see you in there and , if you're interested , head

27:18

on over to my website . Book

27:21

a call with me if you've got questions . And

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until next week , everyone be well . If

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you're hearing this message , that means

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Stepping into Meaningful Relationships .