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First up to join me on the podcast,

2:20

I'm so excited to talk to you. It's

2:23

Sydney. Yes. How are you? First

2:25

of all, you look stunning. Let me just know. Let me just give out dish

2:27

out compliments. You look amazing. I

2:29

appreciate that. But how do you feel? Um, you

2:31

know why I feel I feel

2:34

like a certain calmness right now. I do.

2:36

I feel like a lot has happened

2:39

over, you know, an extended amount of time. And

2:41

I finally have had a little second

2:43

to breathe and for everything to finally

2:45

happen and to move

2:47

on, you know? Yeah.

2:48

No, I mean, today was

2:50

a lot. It was a lot. But like for different reasons,

2:52

because one, you know, you're like facing

2:55

the draw. It's a reunion show, you know, like we

2:57

all love reunion shows because it's like it all comes to

2:59

a head. You've seen what everyone's saying at I.T. M.

3:01

Right. To Peter, all that's all that

3:03

good, bad stuff. Yeah. But I guess the first

3:05

time you all are seeing each other and talking, then

3:08

you have to see Peter for the first time. And it's been

3:10

three months ish. Then

3:13

we had this conversation that needed

3:15

to be had that honestly you

3:17

spearheaded. Thank you. And

3:20

no, thank you. It's because of you, though. No, it's not

3:22

because of me. No, we have to give credit where credit is

3:24

due because, you know, we had the conversation

3:26

where we talked about race. It was uncomfortable, but

3:29

it was necessary. And

3:31

I don't know if you guys know this, but, you know, Cindy and

3:33

I had a conversation because of a

3:35

lot of hate that she was receiving. Yeah.

3:38

And I am one to brush things under

3:40

the rug. I'm like, OK, I get a message, delete,

3:43

move on. But that's not what everybody

3:45

does. And I'm

3:47

acting like it's not an issue and it's a problem. And

3:49

it was you who made me say, you

3:52

know what, it is a problem and we need

3:54

to talk about it. So how did you feel having

3:56

that conversation? Right. So when we

3:59

had our conversation, I was

4:01

just, you know, we were just talking about what, you know,

4:03

looking up to you and what you had to go through, you know, as

4:05

the first African American bachelor ed. And being

4:08

in this, it's, it's, it's hard for

4:10

women of color. It's hard. And I'll say that because

4:12

I've lived this my whole life. And

4:15

then now it being on such a huge scale,

4:17

I've had to deal with, you know, someone doesn't like

4:19

you, they go as low as they possibly can. And the lowest

4:21

you can go is someone's race, you know? So

4:25

having this opportunity to talk about something that

4:27

I'm so passionate about and something that I

4:29

saw in

4:29

this, and I hope

4:32

that changes meant everything

4:35

to me. And I just feel

4:37

like it's my duty for girls that do look like

4:39

us to know that

4:41

you can do this, number one, and number two,

4:43

you can rise above the hate. Yeah, absolutely.

4:45

See, and that's, thank you. Thank you

4:47

for that. How did it feel when the women came

4:50

running over to you to comfort you after

4:52

seeing some of those text messages that they know that

4:55

were directed towards, not, I keep saying text messages,

4:57

those DMs, comments that were directed to you.

5:00

You know, a lot of people will say about the season that we

5:02

didn't love each other and that we were always so catty

5:04

and against each other. I still question it.

5:07

But in that moment was a

5:09

moment that I had felt nothing but love from those

5:11

women and the support and

5:14

the love means so much to me.

5:16

And you know, all the little he, he, he is

5:18

that we're done in the past. Like that, that made up for

5:20

everything because you know,

5:22

when you, when you're hurt, you just, that love swings

5:24

everything. And I think that's important for everyone

5:26

else to see because we do see, you

5:28

know, your season has gotten, and I've

5:31

talked about it on the podcast. Your season

5:33

has gotten a lot of heat for the girls being

5:35

so catty and mean girls and not just not having

5:38

that unity and sisterhood, but on

5:40

the stage in that moment, we saw

5:42

the sisterhood. And it's funny because

5:44

there was a point today and women tell all where Lexi

5:46

said you

5:47

guys don't know this, but like we all love

5:50

each other. And I remember thinking, okay,

5:52

Lexi, but in that moment

5:55

I saw the love. Someone's hurting. Like I have

5:57

heard through this and the things that they actually finally

5:59

saw.

5:59

that was happening to me, nothing but love.

6:02

Nothing but love was received and

6:05

I love that. Yes, I loved

6:08

it too. And I think your message, not think,

6:10

I know your message resonated with me. I'm

6:13

sure it's going to resonate with everybody who saw it. And

6:15

I just hope that because of what you

6:17

spearheaded that we can all be better

6:20

and do better and just hold each other

6:22

accountable. To be that voice and you know, I, this

6:24

opportunity and this to say something about

6:26

it and have you there to just like support

6:29

me has meant so much to me. And I

6:31

do, I hope that it goes forward and we

6:33

stop this because, you

6:35

know, we're just going to love each other a little bit more. Yes, we

6:37

do. So let's talk about moving forward. So

6:40

you just survived women tell all I

6:42

survived. What is next paradise summer

6:44

games? Who knows Rachel? Are

6:47

you interested in that? I want to find

6:49

love. I know that. So whichever

6:51

way that that may happen, I'm open

6:53

to it. I'm skeptical of course,

6:55

just because of all the hate. But

6:58

hopefully it gets better. And you know, you know, who

7:00

knows what's going to happen. We have a support system

7:02

around you. So I think like, as long as you have that strong

7:05

circle, you can combat that hate even on

7:07

the worst days. But I know you're

7:09

a hot commodity because this bachelor

7:11

nation world is small and the people are talking.

7:14

And they want to know if you're going to be out there

7:16

on the beach or wherever summer

7:18

games may be. You

7:20

can't give us a hint of something.

7:22

I'll say like, I do want to find love in whatever way

7:25

that may be. We'll talk to see.

7:27

So what do you think about the ending? I

7:29

have to get your opinion on this because we

7:32

saw tonight that

7:33

Madison is clearly struggling. We

7:36

saw Victoria F goes home. And

7:39

now it's down to Madison and Hannah knowing

7:42

everything that came out because I heard your

7:44

response to Madison's

7:47

the decisions that she has made as she's navigated

7:49

this journey. But how do you really feel? Because

7:52

all y'all gave really politically correct

7:54

answers. And I happen to think, I

7:57

think what you said is right about her being.

7:59

true to her beliefs and

8:02

her standards and the commitment that

8:04

she's made, that's beautiful. But

8:07

you find no issue in the

8:09

timing of it all?

8:11

I will say, I think she

8:13

may, it may have been in her best

8:15

interest to speak about it before she did.

8:18

I think she waited until the absolute last second

8:20

and that rubbed some people the wrong way.

8:23

And I thought if she looking back now, I think

8:25

she would have even brought it up before she

8:27

did. But in that

8:29

I will say that Madison is

8:32

who she says she is. She's not going to waver,

8:35

no matter if there's a fantasy suite or not, Madison's

8:37

not gonna do that. And she holds herself

8:40

to what

8:41

she's always been, lived

8:43

her whole life. What do you think

8:45

about someone coming on the show?

8:48

Let's just be honest, and I feel like I'm Christian.

8:51

Let's just be honest, the bachelor isn't standing

8:54

on biblical standards.

8:56

So what do you think about someone who comes

8:59

on the show knowing how the show is

9:01

and then comes

9:03

all the way to the end, positively

9:06

taking somebody else's place and

9:08

potentially may leave

9:10

for

9:12

that same reason?

9:15

Like, do you think that's fair? Do you think that's

9:17

selfish? I

9:19

don't think it's selfish. I think that Madison,

9:21

like I said, should have just brought it up before she did and

9:23

it would have gone a little bit better. Yes,

9:27

we know the show. It's not, you know, sex

9:29

is involved in this show. It's not a secret.

9:32

And her knowing her views

9:34

on that,

9:35

it's if, you know, it's one of those situations where it's

9:37

just like, what are you gonna do? You know, you know

9:39

you're in this position, you've gotten this far, you love this

9:42

man, and there's certain steps that are gonna be made with

9:44

other women, and however you feel about

9:46

it doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

9:49

But I don't think that she

9:51

put him in a situation to make a decision. She

9:53

was just like, hey, this is how I feel about it. You

9:55

take it or leave it, but this is how I'm gonna feel no matter

9:57

what happens, you know? Okay.

9:59

happen. Because

10:01

we don't know. Apparently, according to Chris, neither

10:03

does Peter. It's I don't know what that means. You know what?

10:06

Peter has had a reputation for not

10:08

being able to make decisions. So I think

10:10

it's a case of like, he hasn't made his decision yet.

10:14

As in like between the women? Yeah. Like

10:16

they're saying, you know, like he is unspoiled.

10:18

Like it's just, he can't be unspoiled. Well, how can

10:20

it not be unspoiled? Maybe he hasn't even decided. Who knows?

10:23

Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate

10:25

you. And thank you for what you did tonight. Yeah, thank

10:27

you. All right. Next in the hot seat

10:30

is Sheehan, which I'm so excited to

10:32

talk to you because I feel like on the season,

10:35

we didn't see much. But first

10:37

of all, congratulations for surviving

10:39

Women Tell All. Thank you. That's a feat in itself.

10:42

But you were talking, you

10:44

were getting into it. You and Lexi had some

10:46

tips. I don't want to get all messy, but I'm just saying, it

10:48

was nice because I think we saw you very

10:51

quiet on the show. So how did it

10:53

feel tonight, sitting up there on stage

10:56

and really getting to express

10:58

what this journey was for you? It was honestly,

11:01

so on the show, I was a lot more quiet.

11:03

I didn't want to get involved in the drama because I

11:05

was there to find my person. I wasn't there to

11:07

start stuff, be in stuff. Like I don't want

11:10

it. But then, you know, that

11:12

doesn't mean I don't have my feelings about situations.

11:14

Right. And so, you know, I'm like, okay, I

11:17

have to tell all like, I need to

11:19

express how I feel because I didn't express any of that

11:21

when I was on the show or, you know, nothing

11:23

was shown. And so that's kind of, yeah,

11:25

that's kind of why tonight I just, I just took it

11:27

and I was like, look,

11:28

these are the situations and this is, this is

11:31

like a real thing. Oh, I was here for it. Yeah. I said,

11:33

so please be quiet so she can speak, please.

11:36

Yeah. Yeah. So you

11:38

and I were talking just a bit before we got on the

11:40

mic. Yes. For Bachelor Happy

11:42

Hour. So when Peter

11:45

came to the show, yes, the only

11:47

time we've had him on, we've had him on twice. So

11:50

when Peter actually came in the flesh to

11:52

Bachelor Happy Hour, he revealed

11:54

that he didn't pick any of the flight

11:56

attendants. He sent home three flight attendants the first

11:58

night. But then,

11:59

he said there was one

12:02

that revealed herself in

12:04

a very interesting way. And

12:07

we never saw that on the show. So is there

12:09

something that you want to tell us that

12:11

we don't know? So

12:13

I, yes, I used to be a flight attendant.

12:16

Okay. She's the one guys. It's

12:18

fire. Surprise. Yeah.

12:21

So I used to be a flight attendant. It was a couple of years back, but

12:24

after night one and I realized he's certain

12:27

all of them homeless, like, uh-uh, like

12:29

I'm keeping that a little, like I gotta, I gotta

12:31

build a relationship first before I like. Do you play

12:33

chess? Because you were playing chess

12:35

that night and you were winning because the three

12:37

of them were in the whole group. And I was like, and

12:39

so when I told him like that, I

12:41

was a flight attendant, it was in that kind of dramatic

12:44

scene. So we were sitting there, we're having our conversation. And

12:46

I was like, how are you doing good? Okay,

12:48

cool.

12:49

But there's something I need to tell you. And he's like,

12:52

what? And I was like, oh my God. And I like

12:54

started like kind of having like a mini panic attack.

12:57

It's on my chest, like I've been

12:59

laying in bed, staying up late about this. Like

13:01

it's, I just, I don't want you to think anything different

13:03

about me. And he's like, Jan, what? Like you're really

13:05

scaring me. And I'm like,

13:07

I take this long break. And he's like, Jan,

13:09

tell me. And I look up at him and I'm

13:11

just like, I used to be a flight attendant. He's

13:14

like, are you freaking kidding

13:16

me? Like jumped back in his seat. He's like, oh

13:18

my God, you scared the crap out of me. I thought it

13:20

was something else. And we just laughed and like

13:22

talked about flying. Well, he's still talking

13:24

about it because he loves it. And

13:27

he was excited to tell us. I dinged him the other

13:29

day. Cause I'm like, who's this mystery

13:31

flight attendant? And when he told me it was you, I was like,

13:33

are you kidding me? And he's so upset that

13:36

that didn't make the cut.

13:37

It was so great. Like I'm so

13:39

sad that didn't show. Cause there was a lot of

13:41

me crying. And I was like, and that was like one moment

13:44

where I was like, Oh, they're going to show this. And everyone's going to be like,

13:46

yeah. And then he was like, great. Okay,

13:48

fine. Do you feel like you have any regrets?

13:50

Cause it's, it's one thing to be in it all.

13:53

Yes. And then you go home and then you

13:55

watch where you were a part of it. And then

13:57

so much more of it back. Do you feel like you have any

13:59

regrets?

13:59

from this season. I definitely

14:02

could have been more aggressive. I,

14:04

you know,

14:06

it's hard when you're on the show. You try,

14:08

but that doesn't mean you get your way. And

14:11

I definitely did try, but I could have been more like, no,

14:13

like I need this, I'm going, you know,

14:15

go, go, go, rather than being

14:18

like, no, and be like, okay, like,

14:20

I should have been more aggressive. And that's kind of one thing, like,

14:23

I definitely wish I could have done more. Well,

14:25

I can see why you didn't want to be aggressive, because there

14:27

was a lot of aggressive behavior.

14:30

And I'm not really,

14:33

I'm not a person to just

14:34

be naggy, like that. I'm just not

14:36

like, I will put forth the effort, but I'm not

14:39

one to just be in your face all the time. Go,

14:41

go, go, go.

14:42

You know, so that was something that was

14:44

challenging for me. Who are you close with

14:47

from your season?

14:48

I'm actually really close with Tammy. Me and

14:50

Tammy are super close. I am

14:52

so actually happy that you said that

14:55

because I love her so much. Watching tonight,

14:57

it seems like who's friends with, I think

14:59

at one point I saw you kind of like consoling

15:02

Tammy, but I was like, who's friends

15:04

with Tammy just seemed to be so much build

15:06

up and attack on Tammy. And I get it, Tammy

15:09

made some mistakes. She did. Throughout the

15:11

show, everybody did. And I think,

15:14

you know, I relate to someone

15:17

with a strong personality and a lot of

15:19

opinions. And you know, sometimes we navigate

15:21

things differently, but it's really nice to

15:23

hear that Tammy actually has a

15:25

friend in the house. We talk every

15:27

day. Well, can I tell us what you like about

15:29

Tammy? Because it seems like it's

15:31

lost in some of the drama. The thing is,

15:34

is that

15:35

regardless of, and it's with that

15:37

personality, like regardless if she

15:40

gives you the tough love when you hate it. She's

15:42

there when you're sad, when you're upset, if you need

15:44

someone to talk to, she listens, but then she kind of

15:46

brings you back and she's like, okay, have

15:48

your moment, but also like come back and you're better than

15:50

that and move forward. Don't

15:52

like listen to the hate, don't do this. And that's

15:56

a great thing to have. Like, yes,

15:58

she's tender in those moments. of where you need a good

16:00

friend and you just need a shoulder crown. But like she also

16:03

builds your backbone and she's like, don't

16:06

be weepy. Like, come on. And I

16:08

think we see that. And I'm like, yeah,

16:10

you're right. And we all need that friend.

16:12

Yeah. And I think we do see that it's just

16:15

so much happened after that we forgot because

16:17

let's not forget during champagne gate, it

16:19

was Tammy who was comforting Kelsey

16:22

and who was checking to see if everyone's

16:24

okay. And she was like, Hannah Ann said she didn't. And she

16:26

was really trying to be the mediator.

16:30

And dissolve the situation and that kind

16:32

of find a resolution to it. And she,

16:34

I mean, yes, she's strong in her words. And some

16:36

people just can't take that for what it is without

16:38

feeling attacked. And I don't think

16:40

it ever comes in a place of being attacked. I

16:42

think that some of those moments, you

16:44

know, between Kelsey and Tammy and

16:46

Sydney and Tammy or whatever, and that, at that in

16:49

Costa Rica, it was just,

16:51

I feel like Tammy was feeling attacked. And then that's

16:53

when it just came out, you know, and

16:55

I, and that can happen to anybody. I don't

16:57

think that's a fault on Tammy. I told her, I was like, you

16:59

could have handled it a little bit better, but that's

17:01

with anyone into the learning experience. And so

17:04

you, you watch it back and you're like, yeah, that wasn't right. I

17:06

should have said it this way. And you think she learned

17:08

from this experience. Good, good

17:10

for her. So before I let you go, I have to

17:12

ask you because we have no idea what happens at the

17:14

end of this is a first, not a first

17:16

that I necessarily like. I want to know

17:19

what's happening. So what happens at

17:21

the end of it? Where, what do you think happens at the end of

17:23

this season? God,

17:26

I truly don't know. And I've

17:28

tried to figure, I've tried to like make equations.

17:30

I'm like writing it down. Like that Madison

17:33

does this and then, and then Hannah Ann does

17:35

this and then Peter goes home and Barb's

17:37

crying about Matt. Like I, I've

17:40

like literally written it down and try to figure

17:42

out the answer.

17:43

I don't know. Cause every time I see the episode,

17:45

I'm like, Oh no, it's this. And my whole thing changes.

17:48

And when you were saying that all I saw was the meme

17:50

where the woman has the equation

17:52

in the chalkboard behind her and she just looks more

17:55

confused and more. That was me. It's

17:59

just, I. That's all of us. Yeah, it's

18:01

all of us. Well, thank you so much for being here. It's so

18:03

nice to meet you. Oh, okay

18:06

This is my first podcast and I'm so honored Oh,

18:16

well, thank you so much for being here not everybody

18:18

gets to come in the hot seat So

18:20

it's such a pleasure to meet you Tonight

18:22

cuz I know the after-party is gonna be poppin. I'm

18:25

ready for the pizza. Oh, oh, I don't know there's

18:27

pizza. Okay, let's go Thank

18:29

you

18:37

I just want to say how fabulous Alayah

18:39

looks listen this Sequence

18:42

suit and I'm not a big sequence for actually

18:44

ally ever since being that's right It's it's it's

18:47

what I do with the sparkle. This looks amazing.

18:49

Yeah, what size are you? Whatever

18:52

you want girl, I can't fit the same thing.

18:55

Listen, I keep telling everyone this you survived

18:57

women tell all I feel like a lot

18:59

of people had eyes on you questions

19:03

about

19:04

What kind of went down? There just seems

19:06

to be so much in the air. Do you feel like?

19:09

You got everything out that you needed to say tonight. I

19:11

feel like I did I mean, it's hard being in that

19:13

I know that I was really kind of dreading going

19:15

to women to all because I'm not an aggressive

19:18

Personality and obviously we have a lot of aggressive

19:20

personalities in our group and I was really

19:22

nervous that I wasn't gonna be able to say what I had to

19:24

say, but

19:25

Now that it's all over and I can breathe again. I feel

19:28

pretty good about how everything happened Well,

19:31

people didn't attack you know, it

19:33

wasn't about you Honestly, it seemed

19:35

to be more of more of the heat was on Victoria

19:38

Victoria Pete Yeah, I mean I feel like

19:40

there was a lot of like I said, there's a lot of miscommunication

19:43

There's a lot of lack of communication and I

19:45

feel like a lot of America and the girls

19:48

in the house had questions But I do

19:50

feel like we were able to kind of address this do you because

19:52

I feel like I still have some questions like For example, did

19:54

you really know each other longer

19:55

than three hours? Yes. Okay,

19:58

that's just seems to be the biggest one Yeah. What,

20:01

and to sum up, when you heard

20:04

watching back the conversation that Victoria

20:06

had with Peter

20:08

about you, Victoria P,

20:10

sorry, had with Peter about you,

20:13

sum up your reaction in one word. Um,

20:16

I mean, I was taken aback for sure. I

20:18

wasn't expecting that. It was hard to watch

20:21

for me because coming into this, I

20:24

did expect for us to have each other's back, but

20:26

I understand that when you're asked a question

20:28

and you have a feeling, you're going to express that. You're going

20:30

to be honest about your feelings. Um, again,

20:33

I just feel like it was a lack of communication going into

20:35

that. And I wish that we would have had the chance to talk

20:37

about it before Peter asked

20:39

about it, but we didn't. And that's unfortunate.

20:42

Where do you guys stand today? Um, I

20:44

mean, we kind of just respect each other. Like

20:47

we understand that

20:48

we didn't communicate enough through this and

20:50

that we want to both move

20:53

past this. We don't want this to define us,

20:55

define the group of friends that we're in.

20:58

And we just want to kind of have like a mutual

21:00

respect for each other. That's good. Yeah. That's

21:03

very adult and mature of you. Yes. There doesn't

21:05

have to be a winner or a loser or a right or wrong. We

21:07

just respect each other's opinions. Right. So I

21:09

have an important question for you that I

21:11

know America wants to know. Do

21:13

you have a job? Three

21:16

jobs and please tell them what you

21:18

tell

21:18

the people, what they are. I didn't realize

21:21

my occupation would be so interesting

21:23

either. Um, so the obvious I'm an

21:25

orthodontic assistant. I model

21:27

professionally and I own a boutique. Good

21:30

for you girl. Tell people where they

21:32

can find the boutique. I mean, we might as well pop it on

21:34

the podcast. No,

21:37

I got these earrings from my boutique.

21:39

So we've cute accessories. It's me, my mom and my sister.

21:41

We run it together. Good for you. So

21:43

what's next? Well, first note, I like to

21:45

ask this question because I've been in your shoes before.

21:48

I know what it's like to have a sisterhood in the

21:50

house and you guys got a lot of heat for

21:52

not having a sisterhood. Just seems to be a

21:55

lot of cattiness. And then, but then

21:57

Lexi was like, well, we all love each other. So

21:59

who are you?

21:59

close with in the house. It's an obvious

22:02

Savannah. Savannah's my girl. Man, Savannah

22:05

had your back. We all

22:07

need a Savannah in our line. And seeing how, but like,

22:09

I feel like as Texas girls, as we just have each

22:11

other's backs like that, cause Savannah's from Texas

22:13

too, right? Did y'all know each other before?

22:15

No, we didn't. So we met on the show. We

22:18

already have plans to go to the rodeo together. I mean, is

22:20

that- Is Liz performing at the

22:22

rodeo? Is she? No, Liz was performing

22:24

at the rodeo. I'm almost, I'm almost- Oh my God, I need to see

22:26

her. I am almost positive. Cause the rodeo's

22:28

what, like next week or something like that. It's in a couple of

22:30

weeks. It's in rodeos next month. Next month. The

22:32

same as when your rodeo already happened. The Houston rodeo,

22:35

I'm pretty sure- Oh, Liz

22:38

is performing. Cause she used to live in Houston.

22:40

She's so good. Yeah, I am obsessed with her. Yeah, I'm

22:42

glad I could do you that favor. Thank you. Thank

22:45

you for that. So what's next for you? Paradise summer

22:47

games? I think that he's asking. I don't think

22:49

I'm fit enough for summer games. I'm not going to lie. I'm

22:52

the cheerleader on the sidewalk. Cheerleading is

22:54

a sport. It's totally a sport. Do you watch

22:56

cheer? Gosh, no. I was like, I could Matt

22:58

talk you. Oh

22:59

really? My sister did cheerleading. Okay. So

23:02

I understand like the side line, lingo,

23:05

but I don't know. Everybody keeps asking about paradise

23:07

and genuinely I have no idea. I feel like that's

23:09

one of those decisions I'm just going to make when the question

23:12

comes. You are so put together and

23:14

I get it. Like I can be, I wasn't in pageants,

23:17

but like just being an attorney and like feeling

23:19

like you have to be on like- You know how to turn

23:21

it on. I know. Inappropriate situation. Yes,

23:23

I know. Yes. When you, I know how to put on a show

23:25

as well. I get it. So my question

23:28

to you is,

23:29

what do you do to like let your hair down

23:31

and go crazy? Like are you ever not

23:33

put together? Oh my God. Yeah. I

23:36

mean, did you see me on the kitchen counter? Well, let's talk

23:38

about that. Let's talk about that. I was very drunk at night.

23:40

Yeah, let's talk about that. I was really bored. Those are the best

23:42

moments. It was so fun. I had the best day that day

23:44

until everything kind of fell apart, but

23:47

I was just bored and I was like, you

23:49

know what? I've been in this house for three days. I'm going to get

23:51

drunk tonight and I'm going to have some pizza

23:53

and some cookies.

23:55

And one thing led to another. I found the

23:57

pilot's hat. And next thing you know, I'm on the

23:59

counter talking about. at the Mile High Club. I don't, it

24:01

just happened. Well, you know what? You want me to share

24:03

a secret with you? One day we were really

24:05

like,

24:06

had nothing to do. You know how it is. Like

24:08

when you don't have a date and you're like, okay,

24:11

we'll like drink, we'll play games, whatever. We

24:13

started talking about twerking. I feel like twerking was like so big

24:15

back then. And I was like, do you know how to twerk

24:17

on the wall? And so we taught everybody

24:19

how to twerk on the wall. Like that was like our

24:22

thing. Yeah. I

24:24

don't know who I would ever twerk on. I've never

24:26

even done it for my husband. Maybe you

24:28

need to. Apparently that

24:30

night. After listening to this, he's gonna be like, baby. I

24:32

know what happened. You know what? We

24:35

used to joke and say, the reason

24:36

we're getting roses is because we're like, remember that night

24:38

that we were all twerking on the wall? Oh yeah, that's what we do in

24:40

our one-on-one time. No, no. You

24:43

do so bad in the best way. Oh my gosh,

24:45

your nose are like mine.

24:47

Twins. You guys, we're having

24:49

a moment here. You can't see it, but we're having a moment.

24:52

It's like, there's something deep rooted

24:54

in Texas spirit. Yeah. Right.

24:56

It's just a thing. Somebody from Texas, you're like,

24:59

yeah, I got you girl. I feel you. I

25:01

got you. All right, well, is there anything else you feel like

25:03

you want to clear up? Did you want to say?

25:05

Oh my gosh. Yes, I listened to your podcast. When

25:08

I called you, Aliah. Not even too high. Everybody

25:10

does it. It's just a thing. So Texas Longhorn

25:13

being my spirit animal. I go. Both

25:15

cast traders. You're like, Bebo.

25:18

And I went to a game shortly after listening to it. I'm like, yeah,

25:20

he's boring. Nevermind. It's a koala. My

25:23

new spirit animal is a koala. So you changed it because

25:25

of what I said. At first I was

25:27

like, yeah, a Texas pride, Longhorns.

25:29

Then I'm like, no, yeah, he's boring. Did you

25:31

call the Texas? No, I'm just a fan.

25:33

But you're close enough there, except for

25:35

the time that he almost tried to run over the dog. That was so

25:38

good. That was great. That's you.

25:40

That's your spirit animal. I'm Bebo against

25:42

Georgia. Is that right, Georgia Bulldogs? Yeah, Georgia

25:44

Bulldogs. Okay, well, thank you so much for being here.

25:47

And I just wish you the best

25:48

on your journey. We hope to see you on something else. We'll

25:50

see. We want more of you in the pilot hatch

25:53

drunk on top of the counter. Hey, well, you're a people

25:55

winner. We know she's in

25:57

there. That's what got the hour.

25:59

I am sitting in front of me with a mouthful

26:02

of pizza. Kelsey, Kelsey,

26:05

welcome to the show. Thank you. I'm trying

26:07

to think of where I want to start

26:09

with you. Just bring it all, I'm ready

26:12

for it. Well, you survived Women Tell All. That's what I

26:14

say. That's an honor in itself. How do you think

26:16

it went? How do you think you did? I

26:19

think for the most part, I did okay. You

26:21

know, I'm somebody that can embrace

26:25

my flaws. I can own up to

26:27

when I was in the wrong.

26:31

And just make humor of it. And that's what I

26:33

tried to do. The

26:35

thing about me is I did express

26:37

to the girls in the house how I felt

26:39

about them. I didn't talk crap in the

26:42

interviews. Oh, it's a rare

26:44

characteristic. I knew, people knew

26:46

how I felt about them going into it. And we had

26:48

most of everything hashed out. I

26:51

think the girls that didn't

26:53

do that were a little bit more scared. So for me,

26:55

it was just kind of like, all right, let's see what other people.

26:57

I've said everything I need to say. That's a rare

27:00

thing. I'm like that too. I'm very confrontational. That's

27:02

why it was controversial in the house.

27:05

Oh, because you said stuff? I think so because

27:07

a lot of the girls, you know, would kind of say stuff a

27:09

little bit, but then in their interviews, they would

27:12

say more.

27:13

So

27:16

then it kind of got a little bit more controversial at the women's

27:18

hall. Yeah. I was talking to Sheehan,

27:20

cause she says she's really close to Tammy. And

27:22

I, you know, I was thinking about this. And I'm like,

27:25

what went wrong? Because that

27:27

night at Champagne Gate, she

27:29

was the one who was like right there with you. But

27:31

did you see her interviews?

27:33

Not at that point. People don't. They turned later. But

27:36

no, if you actually paid attention, because

27:39

I was, I was

27:41

paying attention.

27:42

She was talking about

27:45

how crazy I was in that moment,

27:47

how Peter needed to know and all this stuff. So

27:49

she was already in the Champagne moment,

27:51

but it was a crazy moment, Kelsey. Oh, obviously.

27:54

It was a little cray. I went batshit. Let's

27:57

be honest. Granted, I laughed. I,

27:59

and I actually took.

27:59

up for you on the podcast because I was like,

28:02

she's not a bully. I mean, I thought it was crazy,

28:04

but I was like, you weren't a bully in that moment. And I hate

28:06

when that word is so flippantly used. I was like,

28:09

she cursed her out. But she

28:11

didn't bully her. I think they're in Hannah

28:13

Anosis. The reason I was so heated

28:15

in that moment was because if she would

28:18

have just left me alone, I went

28:20

if I didn't,

28:21

yeah, obviously go up to her and like continue

28:24

to be

28:24

mean. Yeah. When

28:27

did y'all become friends? Honestly,

28:29

it was on

28:31

our way down to Costa Rica

28:33

on the plane. Her and I sat next to each other

28:35

both times, which never happened. It

28:38

was like this rare godsent

28:40

thing. And her and I just talked everything

28:42

out. And it was nice because it was off camera. I know

28:45

the viewers want to see that, but I think even if we did it on

28:47

camera,

28:48

it wouldn't have really been shown, maybe wouldn't

28:50

have been shown and people wouldn't have really cared because

28:53

there was so much drama going on.

28:56

Well, I appreciated it actually. And I didn't notice

28:58

it at first. It was back at my co-host who couldn't be

29:00

here today. Shout out to Becca. She noticed

29:03

it. How you, when Hannah An came back

29:05

from what was it, a three on one, two on one,

29:07

something like that. You ran up to her and you

29:09

hugged her and we were like, see, we

29:11

can't all get along. But what's funny

29:13

is people, it's,

29:16

this is the hard thing about the show

29:18

because my drama happened so early on.

29:20

And that was really the first time, the first

29:22

thing people saw of me, that was their first

29:24

impression of me. So it was

29:26

like me trying to

29:28

climb a mountain to get people to see who

29:30

I really was. Whereas for a lot of girls,

29:33

people got to see who they were. And then they got in

29:35

a drama and it was like, Oh, it was just bad moment. But for

29:37

me, it was like, Oh, well I can't get past the champagne

29:40

thing. Does that make sense? Yeah.

29:42

So if you actually watched the

29:44

show in Costa Rica, Hannah and I

29:46

had a one-on-one girl chat,

29:48

but a lot of people dismissed that because

29:51

in their mind and then I went crazy,

29:53

you know, with calling Cindy, what I did,

29:55

I got a little intoxicated. Yeah.

29:57

But that wasn't, I felt like champagne.

29:59

Gate was so big that

30:02

you really had nowhere to go from up, but

30:04

like you really went up fast. And I

30:06

think a lot of people were surprised at the

30:08

progression of your relationship with

30:10

Peter. A lot of people, like whether

30:12

they liked it or not, that you went and talked to Peter privately,

30:15

whatever it is, you and Peter had something and you

30:17

made it all the way to hometowns. And

30:19

I think people started to change on you. I know the amount

30:22

of hate I got from Champagne Gate.

30:24

Some of those messages on the board were for

30:26

me and I did out people on my own

30:29

personal account

30:30

and I got mixed reviews about

30:32

it. So people- If you're bold enough to send the message,

30:35

then you're bold enough to let people- And I used to be able

30:37

to show it. Like you didn't put their user names on it. I blocked that

30:39

out, but even from Bachelor Nation,

30:41

I got some messages like, hey, you're better than that.

30:43

You're feeding into their,

30:45

like what they want. You're feeding the whatever.

30:48

And I'm like, but I'm not because I'm not showing

30:50

who it is, but I also think it's important

30:52

to put it out there. Yeah. So I'm really

30:55

happy that we got to talk about that tonight because I think

30:57

it's important. And I think

30:59

it was important too. And I'm glad that like you

31:01

guys were so open about, you know,

31:03

you're sharing your own experiences because it's not

31:05

always easy. And I think as one person did,

31:08

everyone else did. And it sounds like you guys had talked

31:10

with each other too about some of the experiences

31:13

that you're sharing. And I think when you have that power circle

31:15

of friends, it really helps

31:17

you combat this because nobody gets this

31:20

what you're going through. And I think when I put those messages

31:22

on my Instagram story, I had

31:24

so many girls that I hadn't really talked to that reached

31:26

out and was like, this isn't okay. I get this all the time.

31:29

You know, kind of like, all right, we didn't see eye

31:31

to eye, but we can level on

31:33

the fact that we know what we're going through. So

31:36

that was reassuring. Yeah. It almost bonds

31:38

you in a way. It does. It does. Real

31:41

quick,

31:41

paradise summer games, would you do those? I

31:44

think I would like summer games more just because I'm such

31:46

a competitive person. You didn't get to see this because I was

31:49

on all the glam dates.

31:51

I would have loved to do tackle football, but

31:54

I didn't want the bruises. So I'm happy

31:56

for that fact, but

31:59

I would have.

32:00

Ran over some girls. Good to know. They're

32:03

listening. They're listening to this. Also, who does Peter pick?

32:05

Hannah Ann, Madison, or himself?

32:10

I can't decide between the two, so I'm gonna say himself.

32:12

Okay. Just because I can decide between.

32:15

I go back and forth every other day on who he

32:17

picks. Nothing wrong with it. Me too. Well,

32:19

thank you so much for being here. No, thank you. It's so nice to

32:21

meet you. It's nice to meet you too. Where's that bottle of champagne?

32:23

I wanted some of that. You didn't pop that thing.

32:25

I don't know. I have

32:27

like champagne all over me, but.

32:30

Yeah.

32:36

All right. Sitting here with me now is Lexi.

32:39

So I know something about you that maybe you don't

32:41

think that I know. Oh, what does that mean? I heard you

32:43

were the coolest chick in the house. That's

32:45

literally how it was described to me. They were like,

32:47

oh my God, Lexi's the coolest.

32:50

I love that. That's awesome.

32:52

But I don't think I'm the coolest.

32:55

I mean, like, we didn't see a lot of

32:57

you on the season, but I felt like when you

32:59

spoke, it was like

33:01

very matter of fact. You were very chill.

33:04

You didn't seem to get like involved in

33:06

the drama. Yeah. You had the girl

33:08

click. Y'all had a little click.

33:10

It's okay. They called us the cool kids. We had

33:12

a click too. I just, I'm like, you're in

33:14

the house when there's 30 different women. Yeah.

33:17

You're gonna, you know, be drawn to certain people

33:19

and they become like your safe place

33:22

in the house. So that

33:24

really was that group of girls. We're

33:26

just very outspoken,

33:27

sarcastic

33:30

as hell. We just joke

33:32

around a lot with each other. Like we have very

33:34

like self depreciating humor. Yeah.

33:37

And I think you needed that kind of like comedic

33:40

relief in the situation we were in. Let

33:43

me ask you this. Cause I feel like after watching you

33:45

tonight and women tell all you, you are

33:47

opinionated, you're outspoken

33:49

girl after my own heart, but

33:52

you tell it like it is. So

33:54

watching as a viewer, what was happening

33:57

in the house with the women, it was like insane.

33:59

You know, y'all have gotten a lot of flack. Wasn't

34:02

really that bad.

34:03

It was worse. Oh my God. I

34:05

think it would have self eliminated. Well,

34:08

that's the thing is I started to

34:11

just like,

34:12

it was almost funny. Like how

34:15

have we gotten so far off track

34:17

of what we're supposed to be focusing on,

34:19

which is Peter. Like we're talking about

34:21

champagne bottles and friendships

34:24

before and we don't, who cares?

34:27

It just started to get so noisy. I

34:29

just wanted to be like, like,

34:31

what is happening? You just

34:33

have to last to survive. So I think

34:35

I didn't realize that I thought I

34:37

was coming off like a crazy person. Yeah.

34:40

Like, cause by the time we got to Costa Rica, I had a,

34:43

I hit my mark.

34:44

I was like, that's it.

34:46

I'm gonna say exactly what I

34:48

want. And I felt

34:51

like I did that all the way through, but

34:53

I

34:54

just, I was there truly just to find

34:56

a connection. I

34:59

believe it. I don't care if I win. I didn't

35:01

care if I went home at night one, that he wasn't

35:03

my person. Yeah. I thought it was so

35:05

nice to meet you because I'm very happy

35:07

with my life. Yeah.

35:10

And I want someone to share it with. Yeah.

35:12

That's the whole, that was it for me. Do

35:14

you think that was your demise? Like, do you think that that's why

35:16

you ended up, you didn't participate in the drama. He

35:19

seems to like when a girl shows emotion, you know,

35:22

like almost diffuses that with depth. We

35:24

see, we talk about that on the podcast, confuses

35:26

the two. Do you think

35:28

like that that was probably why you went home? Yeah,

35:31

I think it was a multiple things. I

35:33

definitely could have opened up a little bit more

35:35

earlier on. It was just

35:38

hard. I think with everything

35:40

else going on. And

35:42

a lot of the conversations turned

35:45

to

35:46

what was going on with other girls. Yeah. And

35:48

I was like, Peter, I'm so glad that you wanna ask

35:50

me, but I'm also not your therapist. Like, I'm

35:53

trying to date you. Yeah. We

35:55

just keep talking about other girls. So

35:58

that was a little frustrating, but.

36:00

I just, I understood where he was coming from. Like

36:02

I felt for him, I wanted to give him

36:05

some sort of guidance, if that's

36:07

really what he wanted. And

36:09

I don't

36:12

think I would change anything. Like I learned so

36:14

much about myself and I'm

36:16

even more vocal. You know, like I have no

36:18

problem just speaking. Oh, you were vocal tonight. I

36:21

said, well, like I was talking to Sheena,

36:24

I was like, what's up with you and Lexi? I mean,

36:26

which I was, we had no problem. That was

36:28

interesting for me too. Well, I was proud of her

36:31

because it was like she wanted to speak and have her voice

36:33

because we didn't see it much on the season. We didn't see yours

36:35

on the season. So it was, I was like, wow, you know,

36:37

like Lexi's really, you honestly, you should have

36:39

spoken up more. Maybe you could have narrated

36:41

this whole season and we could have gotten through it a lot

36:44

more faster with complete sentences and thoughts.

36:46

And

36:46

you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's the thing

36:48

is you never know what's going to be in the show. Yeah.

36:51

I was vocal, but

36:54

I think I held back a little because I

36:56

was like, this is crazy. What's going

36:58

on? Yeah. And I just wanted to kind of ride

37:00

it out. I didn't want to be in the drama because that's not who

37:02

I like. Yeah. I don't get involved

37:04

in that. Yeah. But

37:06

when it started to affect my time with Peter. Yeah.

37:08

That's when I was like, OK, we need to stop

37:11

this. Yeah. Because

37:12

I just felt like the train was going

37:14

off the tracks a little. You had a very

37:17

interesting comment tonight and I keep talking about

37:19

it because it was almost shocking. It was a beautiful

37:21

statement, but it was shocking. It caught me off guard. You

37:24

said, I know it doesn't seem like

37:26

it, but we all love each other. When

37:28

did that love come about? Because if for

37:30

damn sure didn't come in the season, did it pop

37:32

off in the group chat? Did y'all slide in each other's

37:35

DMS? When did the love fest come about?

37:37

I guess I mean, I'm the oldest of five

37:40

kids and I have four sisters

37:42

and we fight

37:44

and we say whatever we want. And

37:46

we are honest with each other. And right

37:48

after we, you know, you can you can hug and you can

37:50

move on. Just because you disagree

37:53

with someone doesn't mean you don't have

37:55

love for them. Yeah.

37:57

While we were filming and where we're all at now

37:59

is very. different place. And we've

38:02

all learned from that. And we all,

38:04

you know, like, I wasn't perfect on

38:07

no one was perfect. And I think

38:09

we just have grace for each other now.

38:11

High and Sights 2020. I think

38:13

you all are learning from it. Just you

38:15

know, like, it's

38:17

something you can never replicate. It's a

38:19

group of women that, you know, no one

38:21

else in the world will get to know exactly

38:23

what happened in the house. We just have a bond because of that.

38:26

Yeah, that makes sense. PTSD a little, you

38:28

know, your experience you

38:30

bond. I'm interested in the year from now

38:32

who all will be close because that's always the thing. That's

38:35

really true. I guess we'll see real quick before I let

38:37

you go. Yeah.

38:39

Will we see you in paradise or summer games?

38:41

It's a good question. I don't know. Would you do it if

38:43

you were asked?

38:44

Um, we need more. I'm not saying

38:47

no. Okay.

38:48

I mean, I'm, I'm open to it. You know,

38:50

I think I had so much fun filming.

38:53

I loved this experience. Yeah. Um, I

38:55

want to hear and see more of you. So thanks.

38:57

All right. Well, thank you for being here. Of course.

38:59

It's so nice talking to you.

39:01

All right.

39:02

Sitting in the hot seat right now, somebody

39:05

I've been so eager to talk to. Miss Tammy.

39:07

Welcome to bachelor happy hour. Thanks for having me.

39:10

Thank you for being here. Now the theme

39:12

of this is without struggle, there is no progress,

39:15

which is a tattoo that you have on you. So

39:17

let's talk about the struggle. Okay. And hopefully

39:20

there was some progress after today because

39:22

congratulations for surviving

39:25

women tell all. I know

39:27

it was a lot for you. Um, I'm

39:30

going to start there and let you talk. How

39:32

do you feel? I feel

39:34

like all of us aired out what

39:36

we need to air out. And I got

39:38

my point across whether they wanted to listen to

39:40

it or not. And we're ready to move past this, you

39:42

know, I feel like you have that type of personality.

39:45

Like you can just let things roll off your back.

39:47

Absolutely. You don't really take it to heart. I

39:49

don't take offense to much really.

39:52

And I think it's a waste of energy to just

39:54

hold a grudge on something. I, what I do is I'm going

39:57

to let myself do with it.

39:59

emotions and then get over it and move on.

40:02

Why do you think that the girls came at you

40:04

so harsh? I

40:06

think because I am a very strong

40:09

personality and the loudest one in the room. And

40:11

with that comes with controversy

40:13

and people are going to disagree with that. And that's okay.

40:16

And honestly, I'm glad I started a conversation because

40:18

I'm here to challenge people, you know, it's

40:20

going to be uncomfortable and I'm okay

40:22

with that. Do you feel like you apologize

40:24

to people tonight? Cause I feel like some people

40:26

came in expecting an apology from you, from

40:28

either what they saw or what they heard,

40:30

or I don't know what went down in the group chat, whatever. Yeah.

40:33

I,

40:35

between me and Kelsey, we know the situation.

40:38

Okay. I'm not here to say face and

40:42

apologize. Just to apologize. Like we've already

40:44

talked about it and it's between me and her and

40:46

it's been resolved. Okay. So

40:49

I'll go off of that. Were you frustrated

40:51

rehashing a conversation that apparently

40:54

you, you guys already had off camera?

40:56

Absolutely. And again, I think it needs to be

40:58

said

40:59

on camera and relived again, and it

41:01

does suck for both parties, you know, we don't like to

41:03

come at each other that way. It,

41:07

I do respect these girls. And I think the reason

41:09

that why we all butt heads is because we're all

41:11

very dominant, passionate people. Do

41:14

you have any regrets this season?

41:16

I don't really have any regrets. I mean, I tried my

41:18

best. What you see is kind of what you get.

41:21

And I'm not, no matter

41:23

what, I think it looks villainous

41:25

because I am the loudest person in the room and

41:27

I started an argument,

41:29

but I could have farted and he,

41:31

if he canceled the car to party, people

41:33

would have blamed me for farting. You know, it's just like, because

41:36

that was the person to blame at the time. Well,

41:38

I talked to she and she had nothing but positive

41:40

things to say about you. She said, you're very, very

41:43

close. Yeah, we are very

41:45

close. I love that girl to death. But what were you saying?

41:47

Anyone who knows you, anyone who knows me knows that I'm

41:49

not a malicious person. You know, I mean,

41:52

even ask McKenna and Kelsey, they'll

41:54

say as well, I'm not a nasty

41:56

human being. We are going to disagree with things, but

41:58

that's the beauty of.

41:59

friendships. Like, I'm not going to agree

42:02

with everything just because you're my friend. Well,

42:04

Lexi Cassetta, she said you guys all

42:07

love each other. Absolutely. I think we were shocked,

42:09

but we saw it in a moment when

42:11

we had that very serious conversation

42:13

where we were talking about being bullied

42:15

and spewing hate and you guys ran

42:18

to each other and came to each other and I was

42:20

really, really happy when you spoke. I

42:23

wanted to hear from you

42:24

because I saw the post that

42:26

you talked

42:27

about, about growing up and how

42:29

you felt and even something you said

42:32

when you, we talked about on the podcast,

42:34

when you were going home in the car and you

42:36

talked about he wanted a blonde trophy

42:38

wife and it rocked me, Tammy,

42:41

when you said that because I felt you and

42:43

in that moment I felt like you've been misunderstood

42:46

all season and I just like really want to give you

42:48

an opportunity to talk about that and

42:51

I

42:51

also want to know how this conversation,

42:54

if at all, has helped you. I

42:57

am actually so happy. I wasn't expecting

42:59

this and

43:00

I'm so happy that you came on here and talked about it because

43:02

I think for too long people were getting away with these

43:04

nasty comments and it's a hate crime

43:07

and it's not okay for

43:09

people to hide behind a screen and say these things who don't even

43:11

know me or know us. Like

43:13

they say nastier things to us than we

43:15

would ever say to each other. You said that

43:17

that's a, that was a really powerful point. Absolutely

43:20

and that just says more about like yeah

43:22

we are gonna disagree but I

43:24

would never come at someone's character,

43:27

I would never come at someone's like race or

43:29

how they look. I think that

43:32

when I did see the trophy wife comment

43:34

like yeah throughout my entire life

43:36

I grew up in a very Caucasian

43:39

community. I wanted to be this

43:41

all-American girl so badly

43:43

and I could never be that

43:46

and because I can't change it. I'm as Asian

43:48

as it gets okay like you're beautiful. Thank

43:50

you guys. She's literally shining. I don't

43:53

know how they let her wear the shirt on stage.

43:55

It looks stunning. I'm sorry your production. It looks

43:57

stunning. But it is against the dress

43:59

code.

43:59

I was blinding myself

44:02

with this top. But you're beautiful. And

44:04

we said that on the podcast. I do. And

44:06

it took a long time for me to get there. Again,

44:09

I wanted to buy all

44:11

the clothes that these girls had and be who these

44:13

girls were. And I think for a long

44:15

time, I envied, I wanted to be

44:17

blonde hair blue eyed so badly. I would cry my eyes

44:20

out to my mom. She's like, sweetheart, you're Asian. There's nothing

44:22

you can do. But

44:24

I think that what you said is so powerful

44:26

and even the social media posts that you had, because

44:28

you are representing someone. And

44:31

it's like, I can speak about being an

44:34

African-American woman, but I can't

44:36

speak to what you went through and your struggles.

44:39

And I hope that even though we had

44:41

that conversation that you knew that you're not alone.

44:44

And I hope it empowers you to represent.

44:47

Yeah. And I hope

44:48

that,

44:50

I wish I heard this when I was struggling

44:52

with the racial thing when I was a

44:54

kid. Because there is

44:57

people like me out there who are going through the same

44:59

thing. And it sucks when you feel so

45:02

isolated and alone

45:04

in the sea of people, because no one

45:06

else is gonna be able to understand

45:08

unless they have experienced what you and I

45:10

have experienced. Right, but you're not alone.

45:12

I know, I love that. I

45:15

feel like what you said was so

45:17

powerful.

45:18

Like, we don't

45:20

know who the next bachelorette's gonna be. If you

45:22

were asked, would you do it? I

45:25

mean, of course, I would love the

45:28

opportunity to, because I think people just see

45:30

this one side of me and

45:33

they judge me on one minute of

45:35

time that they think is defining who

45:37

I am as a person. But did they forget like

45:39

throughout the entire season? Like I was never that. I'm

45:42

not a villain, I'm not a mean person. I

45:44

have a lot of

45:48

composure to me. And I have a lot of stories

45:50

to tell. And I think that I would love

45:52

the opportunity to become a bachelorette. Well, I would love

45:54

for the opportunity for you to redeem yourself. So whether it's bachelorette,

45:57

Paradise Summer Games, redemption

45:59

for Tammy. Yeah, the redemption, not

46:01

even like where I have to like change who I am, but like the

46:04

fact that people need to see the full 360 of me before

46:06

they can cast judgment, you know, honestly, they

46:09

can on other shows. So right. Well,

46:11

I'm happy that you were able to speak to us today. And

46:13

if you hear your voice and see another side

46:16

of you, I know I have on Women Tell Law and

46:18

then just sitting here with you today. So

46:20

thank you for bringing the awareness because

46:22

it was, it was really bad.

46:24

It was, it was truly was. Thank you

46:26

for being so vulnerable. Absolutely. All

46:29

right. Last but not least,

46:31

we have Victoria P on Bachelor

46:33

Happy Hour in the house. In the house.

46:36

How are you doing? You survived Women Tell

46:38

All. You see, here's the thing.

46:40

You were quiet at first. I thought, you know, we're not

46:42

really hearing a lot from Victoria P. And

46:45

then Chris said, oh, I am Victoria

46:47

P. And then it was bam. It was

46:49

all on you. So how do you feel? I am.

46:52

You know, I,

46:53

I don't like conflict and I don't like confrontation,

46:56

but I'm learning to work through

46:58

it and learning to grow through it and to confront

47:00

it head on. And I tried

47:02

my best to do that tonight. And I think that, and that I was,

47:05

you know, I did better at communicating than, than

47:07

what I did before. And that I,

47:09

I think I squashed a little bit of it. Yeah. So

47:12

anyway, like, like Savannah had it in for you and I talked

47:14

to Alaya and Alaya said, y'all have mutual respect

47:17

for each other. And it's kind of like a very mature

47:19

situation, which I think is great because we

47:21

don't always see that. Exactly. We

47:23

didn't see that this season is fewer. So it's nice to hear that you guys have reconciled

47:26

and you're letting bygones, we bygones. Savannah

47:28

still has it in for you,

47:29

but not everyone, not everyone

47:32

likes you. Right. But she said you

47:34

talk in circles. So I feel like I want to give you the opportunity

47:36

to explain your, like, just

47:38

like be very matter of fact about

47:40

what it is. So I'm going to ask you very direct questions. Okay,

47:43

go ahead. I'm ready for it. I'm

47:45

ready for it. Did you guys know each other more than three hours? Yes.

47:48

Did you have fun in Vegas?

47:49

I had fun in Vegas. Where did you stay? I

47:51

stayed at shit. Where do we stay? Treasure

47:54

Island, right? Treasure Island. Did you room

47:56

together? No. Okay.

48:00

Is there picture evidence? There's picture evidence.

48:02

Okay. Yeah. No

48:04

shame in the fact that I knew her, I had verbalized that to appear that we

48:06

knew one another. As

48:10

far as being friends, I couldn't tell you her favorite color,

48:12

what her mom's name is. Yeah, you weren't close. Car she

48:14

drives, where she went to school, what she does for a living.

48:16

I mean, honestly, I...

48:18

No, we weren't close. This is what I'll equate it to.

48:20

You guys are all close right now, but a year from now,

48:22

you're not going to be the same. Yeah. It's

48:25

sad. Exactly. Yeah.

48:30

I know her, I've been around her, but I'm

48:32

not close with her. She's not one of my closest friends.

48:34

Exactly. See how we cleared that up? Yeah.

48:37

And just

48:37

like that. Yeah. So what's

48:39

next for you? What are you doing right now? So I work full time

48:42

as a nurse. So still doing

48:44

that. I don't think that reality TV,

48:46

but I have a future in that. I can't see myself.

48:50

I can't see myself doing that in the future, but

48:52

I hope that that love is

48:55

somewhere in between. Well, that is the most

48:57

honest thing I think that anybody has

49:00

said. So thank you for that on this podcast because

49:02

you don't see people come from the show and say, you know what? I

49:04

don't think it's, there's a future in it for me. So you wouldn't do

49:06

paradise. I wouldn't do summer games.

49:09

I'm just saying that I wouldn't. So my mom

49:11

nominated me for the bachelor in the first place. Oh,

49:13

that's so cool. I'm like, hey mom. Yeah.

49:16

Hey mom. Yeah. Anyway.

49:19

But yeah, so Cindy nominated me and this is just, this has been a great experience,

49:21

a learning experience, but yeah,

49:24

I don't, I don't know what's next, but I will say I'm

49:27

not, I don't know what's next,

49:29

but I don't know if I will do. You got to think

49:32

about it. You're going to weigh out your options. Do

49:35

you have any regrets then from the season?

49:37

You know, I, I wish that, and there were

49:39

times I wish I'd been more direct, like

49:41

you and I, I wish I had been better at communicating,

49:44

but I'm learning how to communicate better. I

49:47

am an empathetic person and I think it's part of my

49:49

nature and who I am as a human being. I'm

49:51

a professional obviously, and just

49:54

the way that

49:54

I grew up to just

49:56

kind of like brush it off and give someone kind of Saint Grayson.

50:00

I'm

50:00

kind of taking a hit in that and I'm learning that it's

50:03

okay to stand up for myself and it's okay

50:05

to have healthy confrontation and conflict

50:07

and to work through that. And I think it's

50:09

okay to say I made a mistake. I own it. I

50:12

didn't handle it the best. We

50:14

all can say that coming from this opportunity.

50:17

Yeah. And I did it. There

50:19

were many things. And I beat

50:21

myself about it and I've gotten hate mail

50:23

because of it. And I've really,

50:26

but it's been challenging for me, but it's

50:28

also been a growing experience and a learning experience

50:30

through that.

50:30

Did I

50:32

know a lady before this? Yeah, I

50:35

never denied that. Were we friends? No,

50:37

I'd say we were more acquaintances, but

50:39

I should have clarified more

50:41

and I should have communicated more with her. And your defense.

50:44

Peter just always asked the most direct questions.

50:47

So that's why I was like, you know what, we're just going to go right

50:49

to it. So anyway,

50:52

everybody knows that there are no more questions

50:54

about it. It is what it is. And they moved

50:56

on. So you guys need to move on as well. Yeah,

50:58

absolutely. And I think I will say everyone

51:01

move on and I hope that everyone

51:03

treats Aleya with kindness and respect and

51:05

love and generosity regardless.

51:08

There's no side to choose as far as I'm concerned. And

51:10

I think we're there. Yeah. And

51:12

you know, it's been great. Like women, women

51:14

till all started off real hot, like on a level 305 and

51:17

things just kind of

51:20

like died down a bit. And

51:22

then you saw that there was this camaraderie

51:25

camaraderie between you guys.

51:27

And I think that that was special because as a

51:29

viewer, we saw none of that. And

51:32

so I think you all, you guys always just like, you know

51:34

what hindsight's 2020. We made some

51:36

mistakes, but we all went through

51:38

a shared experience and you're going to hold

51:40

on to that. We were all different and we all

51:42

have our differences, but we could all

51:44

see it in unity and hand

51:46

in hand say that we are, um,

51:50

that we stand together against hate and,

51:52

uh, against a better future and,

51:55

um, can like bike on, see if I can get into, you know, I don't

51:57

even want to ask you another question. That was beautiful.

51:59

the way he's just ended that. I was gonna ask you

52:02

about the season, but it's like, you know what? Yeah, like

52:04

let's just be better. Yeah, I think that we

52:06

can always see better. There's always room for growth. And

52:09

like I said, this has challenged me to be better. And I

52:11

don't know what's ahead, but I know that this

52:14

has challenged me to be a better Victoria P. And I'm

52:16

gonna be a better human being, a better spouse

52:19

and a better friend and

52:21

because of all of this. So thank you for sharing

52:23

that. And thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you.

52:25

Now I lied to you guys and I don't do this often,

52:28

but when I do, it's for a good reason. I

52:30

told you my final guess was Victoria, but

52:32

it's actually Mr. Weber. Peter,

52:35

welcome again to Bachelor Happy Hour. You're

52:37

becoming a regular. Yeah,

52:38

what's going on? It's good to be here. Thanks for having

52:40

me. Can we have an honest talk? I would love that.

52:42

I'm upset. Why? Because I

52:45

was rooting for you. Wait,

52:47

what? We were all rooting for you. It's not over

52:49

yet, what's wrong? This is why I remember when we talked

52:51

and I was like, man, Peter, out of anybody

52:54

who's, since I've been watching, I

52:56

want you to find your happiness

52:59

and to find love. And this

53:02

season has been frustrating for

53:04

me to watch. So I can only imagine what

53:06

it was like for you to be in it. And

53:08

I guess I just like am frustrated.

53:11

I'm frustrated for you. That's why I'm saying I'm

53:13

upset. Because at this point, I

53:16

have no idea what decision that you

53:18

made. And Chris tonight said, you

53:20

don't even know what the decision is, which as

53:23

a lawyer and being logical, I'm like, okay.

53:25

So that means maybe this is this, this is this. And we

53:27

can't figure it out. But

53:30

watching this last episode and you

53:32

being so honest

53:34

and forthcoming about how you feel

53:37

about who you are, it was very frustrating

53:39

for me to watch. You put

53:42

all yourself out there and then to get this

53:45

tidbit of information at

53:47

the very end. And I'm very curious

53:50

as to how you felt about it.

53:53

Are you talking about with Victoria? Talking about with

53:55

Madison. Oh,

53:58

okay. So maybe I should.

53:59

Like I guess I'm more so saying you

54:02

have been very upfront and

54:04

honest about like what you're going through

54:07

and how you feel, maybe even to a fault, but that's like

54:09

the beauty of you. It's a gift and a curse. And

54:12

for you to get this information at the

54:14

very end, which I feel like doesn't allow you

54:16

to fully have the right

54:18

mindset as you're going into

54:21

week nine, which is

54:23

insanely important. And

54:25

just to set the stage for everybody, week

54:27

nine is important, not because it's fantasy sweet week and

54:30

that's what it's entitled, entitled,

54:32

titled. It's that

54:34

it's the time that you get off camera to

54:36

really get to know somebody with no one else

54:39

around. It is precious, precious

54:41

time. And your mind is

54:43

all over the place for multiple reasons. And

54:45

you're trying to be sensitive to how everyone else is feeling. But

54:48

at the same time,

54:49

you need to

54:51

kind of know everything and you didn't until

54:54

the very last second. So I'm really curious

54:56

to know how you felt in that moment when

54:59

you got that information that maybe you could have gotten, I

55:01

don't know, week one.

55:03

Yeah, I mean, I don't know realistically if that's a

55:05

week one type conversation, but yes, in

55:07

a perfect world, I definitely would have, I wish

55:10

I could have known that sooner on, no doubt,

55:12

because that made that week

55:14

the hardest week of my life. And that

55:17

was not easy at all. But

55:21

I will say like, I

55:24

told all of the women from the very first night to,

55:27

I remember that, the toast, I said, be real

55:29

with me, share whatever is on your heart. I don't

55:32

care if you think I'm gonna like it or not, just,

55:34

I need to know that and you need to be able to express that to me.

55:37

And that's all that Madison was doing in

55:39

that moment. Yes, I would have loved for her to have done it

55:41

way sooner. I would have, but I can't

55:44

fault her. And if I do, I'm only a hypocrite of

55:46

her sharing what was on her heart. And she

55:48

did it in the most,

55:50

there was no easy way for her to do that. And I remember that conversation

55:53

like it was yesterday. It was tough for her and she was

55:55

struggling and she didn't want it to come

55:57

off. She was telling me what I had to do.

55:59

she was simply telling me where would put her

56:02

if I made certain decisions. And that I

56:04

have to respect and I can't fault her for.

56:06

You talked about her when

56:08

she shared that information with you about the ultimatum.

56:11

Yeah. I don't want to say ultimatum, but you didn't

56:13

feel like she was giving you an ultimatum, but she was sharing what was

56:15

on her heart in that moment in the hanger

56:18

when it was down to the final three. Do you ask yourself

56:20

the question, why didn't she also share that

56:23

she was saving herself for marriage

56:25

in that moment? Yeah.

56:28

Yeah. I don't know why she didn't decide

56:30

to share that with me. I truly do, whether

56:33

it's right or not, I feel like maybe that would have,

56:36

that would have meant something to me. I actually agree

56:38

with you. I know that information. I like

56:40

when we talk about it on the podcast, I make

56:42

the argument that I think that that information

56:44

was vital to you

56:46

to know what decisions you were going to

56:48

make going into that

56:49

week. Yeah. You're right. And I, obviously

56:52

her and I, we have different viewpoints

56:54

on that and that's fine. You know, we don't have to be like

56:56

in every single regard, but, um, yeah,

56:59

I wish she would have expressed that to me there. And

57:01

I think it would have had a little bit more gravity

57:04

there. And, um,

57:06

but what are you going to do? She didn't. Yeah. So tell

57:08

me how it ends. Well,

57:10

it's crazy. I

57:13

have personally asked to be placed next

57:15

to Barb at the finale.

57:18

I thought she was going to be here at women tell all she was

57:20

not. Yeah. A couple of her friends were honey bears

57:22

back in the day. Oh really? Um,

57:25

yeah. So what happens? Am I going to be mad? I'm

57:28

upset because I want whatever

57:30

happens. I'm like passionate. So it's not an upset.

57:32

Like I'm angry. I like you, you know, I

57:37

want it to work for you and I want you to be, I mean,

57:39

you can be happy even if you choose yourself at the end of this,

57:41

but I just, like when I see what's happening

57:44

towards the end, I, I entitled

57:46

our, um, he's saying entitled, I

57:48

titled our podcast for last

57:50

week. Can Peter catch a break? It

57:52

was the subtitle. Can we just give him one week

57:55

off? The answer is no. Oh God,

57:57

Peter. It's, it's, and I say, I mean,

57:59

I've said it a million. things happened until the last

58:01

second. And, um... Apparently they still are.

58:04

We'll see about that. Um, but...

58:06

Yeah, it was just very difficult for me in a lot of ways. Um,

58:09

and, yeah, the whole stuff with the Fantasy Suite

58:11

week, and that's just, that set the tone for a lot

58:13

of stuff. It was, it was super tough. But I

58:15

really can't say, like, right now, where I'm at, I am happy and

58:18

I am in a good spot. And...

58:19

So I'm not gonna be mad at the finale, is that

58:21

what you're telling me? Am I gonna be mad? At

58:23

this point, everyone has so many opinions and you

58:25

can't please everyone is what I'm learning, so I don't

58:27

know. But we're talking about me. We're worried about

58:29

me. Okay. Big sis

58:31

here. Big sis. Um, you know,

58:33

I think, I can sense, you know, some overprotective

58:36

tendencies here, which I appreciate, and I love that,

58:38

so thank you. You're welcome.

58:39

Um, Liz, I know you want the best for me, and, um, I'm

58:42

in a good spot. So I think... Okay. I

58:45

think that'll be good. I can, I can hold on to that, okay? Yeah.

58:48

That'll get me through till the finale. Yeah. Come

58:50

see me... You're not gonna be mad at it. Come see me, though,

58:52

after that, though. Okay, I will. And you're not, what

58:54

I will say is you're not going to, like, and

58:57

doing what I needed to do, for sure. No, I

58:59

won't. I won't be mad at you for following your heart. Yeah. But

59:02

we'll see. Yeah. Well, we'll put

59:04

a pin in it there. Okay. Now, what I will say

59:06

about tonight, though, what was really refreshing was how

59:08

nice the women were. Right. Were

59:11

you shocked? Yes, I was. Why?

59:14

Well, because, I mean, I, I had never been in a room with

59:16

that many exes until then. I walk out, and I had a lot of nerves coming

59:18

into it. I just didn't

59:20

know how they'd kind of received me. You know, it's always

59:22

weird when you end a relationship, and that's the first time you see them.

59:25

But, no, I felt the love, like, crazy from them, and

59:28

just really sweet, kind words of encouragement. That

59:31

was really special and beautiful to me, and I thought that

59:33

was

59:33

awesome. I'll say it was awesome, too,

59:35

because the women we just know didn't

59:38

really get along, and there seemed to be so much cattiness, but

59:40

they all could agree.

59:42

You were the common denominator of what was good about

59:45

the season for them, so I thought that that was special. Like,

59:48

people can call you indecisive. Right. I've

59:51

said it myself. Yeah. because

59:54

of the way they reacted tonight, you did it right.

59:56

Yeah, and that was... Yeah, that means a lot.

59:59

Those words mean a lot.

59:59

I truly tried my best to

1:00:02

really, as much as I could, give each relationship

1:00:04

my full attention when I was with those women. And

1:00:06

seeing that they kind of, they saw

1:00:09

that as well and expressed that to me, that meant a lot.

1:00:11

And

1:00:12

I could feel good about that.

1:00:13

Well, I really want to keep asking

1:00:15

you questions, but you're not giving me what I want

1:00:18

because I want you to tell me how it ends. That's all you

1:00:20

want to tell me. And I just really thought we were on a different level,

1:00:22

Peter. You know, I've been invited to come over to the family

1:00:24

dinner. Yeah, we were on a

1:00:26

podcast. So don't ask me when we're on a podcast.

1:00:27

Nobody's here. I'm freaking out. No,

1:00:30

but you do seem happy. And

1:00:33

I always wish the best for you. And I guess

1:00:36

I'll just have to wait till next week, like

1:00:38

everybody else.

1:00:39

It's OK. This truly might be

1:00:41

the first kind of unspoiled in a while. So you know what? It

1:00:44

already is. I hope they enjoy

1:00:46

it. And I'm sure there'll be no shortage of opinions

1:00:48

just like the rest of this journey, but it's something that I'll

1:00:51

always remember and very grateful for.

1:00:52

Well, at the end of the day, I know you will handle

1:00:54

it well like you always do. Thank you. All

1:00:56

right. Thanks for being here. Well,

1:01:00

you guys, that was Women Tell All.

1:01:03

We brought you some great guests, more guests than I even

1:01:05

thought they were going to come through here. And people were actually

1:01:07

excited. I guess they haven't been listening to the podcast.

1:01:10

No, but everything was great. It was all

1:01:12

love. I really enjoyed having

1:01:14

great conversation with the women. I

1:01:16

loved getting some insight from Peter. And

1:01:19

I

1:01:20

mean, next week, you guys,

1:01:22

is the finale. I have no idea what's going

1:01:24

to happen. I know it's going to be good.

1:01:27

I know you better tune in and come back here. I have no

1:01:29

idea who's going to be sitting in the hot seat. But

1:01:32

that's because we don't know how it ends. So stay tuned.

1:01:35

Thank you for joining. And I feel like I should say,

1:01:37

you're welcome. And don't forget, you can subscribe

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