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Welcome back happy hour listeners. I'm one

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of your hosts, Becky Kufrin, and

0:05

I'm Michelle Young. And we are

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so pumped to be back this week

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to not only get into another episode of

0:12

Bad Show. But more importantly, we

0:14

have a guest that we've been asking

0:17

for for weeks and I cannot wait

0:19

to have her on because today we need to finally

0:21

speak with charity.

0:23

Yes. We have been dying

0:26

to get her on the podcast since night

0:28

one. She is such

0:30

a huge, huge favorite

0:32

of of of Becca and I -- Mhmm.

0:34

-- or me and Becca's. And we wanna talk to her

0:36

about her connection with Zach. We wanna get to know her

0:38

little bit. But before we bring her on

0:41

Becca, You have some shit.

0:43

Very, very, very, very exciting

0:47

news and, like, an announcement that's coming

0:49

because bachelor live is

0:51

back. It is back,

0:53

and I

0:53

can finally share details. I know

0:55

I kinda please. I

0:56

know kinda he did last week a little bit,

0:58

but we officially announced

1:01

it this past week when we were all in Arizona.

1:04

Yeah. It's coming back. It's gonna look a little

1:06

bit different this year. So instead

1:08

of, like, doing a cross country tour. It's

1:10

gonna be a residency in

1:13

Arizona at the Tawkeensick Resort

1:15

in Scottsdale. And I actually

1:17

got a lot of questions on DMs and in my comments

1:20

about this, people are like, why are you just being like,

1:22

why are you just in one area? But, like,

1:24

when I try to tell people like, think about this. When you

1:26

go to Vegas for a long weekend with your girls

1:28

or your guy, like, you, for the most part,

1:31

I think most people wanna see a show

1:33

Right? Like, whether that's a singer,

1:35

whether that's a Cirk show, a magician,

1:37

whatever. So it's kind of that same thing.

1:40

So we landed on Scottsdale because

1:43

it is the number two Bad Shark

1:45

destination in the country. So

1:47

a lot of people flock there for

1:49

the spatula at parties, and we

1:51

figured like that would be one of the perfect spots

1:53

to do this. Like, girls or guys

1:56

can come, watch the show. Like I said, it's

1:58

at a resort So not only are you

2:00

gonna be there for like this seventy

2:02

five minute shell, but it's also next

2:05

to a pool. You have Kibana's. It's gonna

2:07

be like a little bit more

2:08

sexy. So it's more of like a

2:10

big interactive show party

2:12

type feel. So we are so fun.

2:15

Yeah. Fun. Because I've actually I've

2:17

done a lot of planning of bachelors. Mhmm.

2:21

Bachelorette parties out of my friends are getting married.

2:23

And, like, what a nice little change of that

2:25

would be to be able to, like I

2:27

don't know. Like, you can you do brunch and you

2:29

do all those things, but to be able to,

2:31

like, hit it during this time. And even if you're not

2:34

planning a bachelorette, but, like, being

2:36

able to be in Scottsdale, being

2:38

able to do this little fun activity

2:41

That would be awesome. How are who

2:43

are you hosting

2:44

with? Because I know that this is this is not

2:46

the same as bachelor live

2:48

on stage. Correct?

2:49

Right. Yep. So it's

2:50

gonna be different hosting. Yeah.

2:52

So I will be it's kind of

2:54

a weird schedule this year because I actually have

2:57

to travel to one of our dear friends

2:59

in Italy. They're getting married in the middle

3:01

of it. So I will be hosting the

3:03

first weekend and the last weekend in

3:05

April. And

3:07

then my bachelor when I'm hosting will be

3:09

Andrew. So he'll be like the fun guy

3:11

on stage. And he's an absolute blast.

3:14

He's so funny such

3:16

good energy on stage, like, so interactive

3:18

with the crowd. So he will be

3:20

my bachelor for the couple weekends. And

3:22

then the middle weekend when I'm actually

3:24

gone, This is gonna be the

3:26

funny one. Andrew will

3:28

step into my shoes and host.

3:31

And then Rodney is gonna be the

3:33

bachelor. So you're gonna get kind of

3:36

like a little two for one with the fellas

3:38

that weekend. And quite

3:40

honestly, like and they're such a blast.

3:42

Together, again, like, so high energy

3:44

that I'm, like, dude, you guys aren't even, like, get

3:47

through this show. You're gonna be having so much fun. They're

3:49

gonna get so

3:49

sidetracked. So it'll

3:51

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well. They are super live, energetic.

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It's contagious. So -- Yes. -- I do

5:49

think that's a good that's a good couple. Will

5:51

Thomas, though? Will Thomas, the dogs be

5:53

with you? Than you are filming. Good luck.

5:56

You are

5:57

hosting hosting. You know, Thomas,

5:59

I think we'll be there for one of the weekends. I'm not

6:01

quite sure when yet. I

6:03

don't know about the dogs. If he's driving,

6:06

then, you know, hey, Minot was part of

6:08

the first two shows. She sold the show.

6:11

She, like, the crowd loved her. She

6:13

ate it up. She was born for

6:15

the stage. So ideally, like, I would love to

6:17

have them back. But we'll

6:19

see. But Thomas will definitely be there hopefully

6:21

one of the weekends for a little surprise

6:23

appearance. So I love that.

6:25

Is it gonna be the same? Like, some similarities?

6:28

Like, will the audience be able to

6:30

interact

6:32

with with you guys? Like, they'll be able to come

6:34

on stage? How is that gonna work? Yep.

6:36

Yep. So just like last time, we actually pulled

6:38

out every show. We pulled ten

6:41

to twelve contests since up on stage

6:43

directly from the audience, which I personally

6:45

love. Like, it's so fun because you

6:47

don't know if you're gonna be called And

6:50

even and what I love about that is, like, even

6:52

if you're about to

6:54

get married or even if you're married, like, you can

6:57

still come up on this stage. It's not like you're

6:59

actually going to be dating the bachelor.

7:01

It's more for like this fun experience where you can

7:03

finally feel like you're part of the show. Like, we

7:06

we really try to condense a season into,

7:08

you know, a couple hours. So

7:10

you have, like, different fun group

7:12

dates, like, different fun dancing, different

7:15

fun skits, and then in, like, in the

7:17

midst of all of that you have, like, these little rose

7:20

ceremonies. And at the end of it, instead

7:22

of, you know, winning the final rose like,

7:24

fallen in love with the bachelor. It's

7:27

way less pressure. You actually just win like a

7:29

big gift package full of, like, my wine

7:31

will be there. Scott's still like, I

7:33

think local businesses will include a ton of

7:35

fun things in there. So you just, like, win this big

7:37

prize package, and that's

7:40

what I love. It's like because if if you're there with

7:42

a Bachelor Party and you're like win and free drinks

7:44

or like win and free wine or whatever it might be,

7:46

like, it's just more of an incentive to come.

7:48

But again, like, this is gonna be so much more

7:50

of a party vibe because the

7:52

pool's right there, the hot tub's right there, the bar's

7:55

neck to you. It's more paradise, I

7:57

would say, than, like, the voucher mansion.

8:00

Oh, this might I what am you said April?

8:02

What am I doing in April? I'm a new You're coming

8:04

in. I'm a company employee in so that I

8:06

can see one of these

8:07

things, but I know that after people hear about

8:09

this, they're gonna wanna know where they can get tickets.

8:11

They're gonna be excited. Mhmm. Yeah.

8:14

So right now, you can get tickets. So the resort

8:16

that we'll be at is called Tawkingsick Resort. Like

8:18

I said, it's in Scottsdale. You really can't

8:20

miss it. If you land in Phoenix and you're driving to

8:22

Scottsdale, it's right there on the road. So

8:24

talking sick resort dot com will have

8:26

all of the dates, all of the info,

8:29

and tickets. So bring

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yourself, bring your girls,

8:33

bring your mom. If you have a boyfriend, bring

8:35

him. We've had some couples in the audience and, like,

8:37

girlfriends and wives have been up on stage. So

8:40

it's just so fun. It's like the the way

8:42

that they structure this one is like such it's gonna

8:44

be such a

8:44

blast. So Everyone get your tickets

8:47

at target sick resort dot com. Oh,

8:49

Becca. We're so proud of you over here at

8:51

a bachelor happy hour with everything

8:53

you're doing. We're so excited for you. Can't

8:55

wait for bachelor live to

8:56

start. And for you too, like

8:59

you said it best,

8:59

do the damn thing. I love

9:02

it. I can't wait see how it turns out.

9:04

That applies to me every

9:05

time. Let me me let me go buy my

9:07

ticket.

9:09

Girl, I got you. You if you wanna come up on stage

9:11

well, you came up on stage for them in to show. So

9:13

if you

9:13

wanna see something funny, that was

9:15

fun. That was so fun. Love to see

9:17

you. Well, okay. Enough about me.

9:19

You have been traveling like crazy. You just spent the

9:22

past week in Arizona for all of the Super

9:24

Bowl

9:24

festivities. How was that? It

9:27

was good. It was it was

9:29

It was a lot of fun. I actually was there

9:32

during a lot of, like, the lead up. So it was

9:34

kind of cool. I was staying right

9:36

in Old Town, and that's where all of, like, the

9:38

tailgate were happening. The

9:40

ESPN filming was happening. And

9:43

so we're a friend and I went,

9:45

and we were there during the old times, kind

9:47

of like eerie, but cool at the same time

9:49

because all of the Super Bowl platform

9:52

signs, things were up, but it was dead quiet.

9:54

We're the only people like walking through Old town.

9:56

And then as the week, like, progressed, more

9:59

and more people flogged, just the excitement, the

10:01

energy, I got to see

10:03

a lot of really cool performances did

10:06

a lot of actually networking that went to

10:08

the -- Yeah. -- it's called, like, the player's network

10:11

or the player's impact. And it was really cool

10:13

to just meet a lot of people talk about sports,

10:15

different things that we align with. But,

10:18

yeah, it was great. I'm tired. And

10:20

I'm I do not stay and

10:23

stay for the game because I had to fly

10:25

back for my own launch. That's gonna

10:28

be happening here. Yeah. And,

10:31

yeah, And so it

10:33

was a

10:33

lot. I'm I'm tired hearing you. It was fun.

10:36

Yeah. I'm tired for

10:38

you. I'm tired for you, like, watching everything

10:40

I'm in Instagram. I'm like, I was I was in

10:42

Arizona for two days, and it was exhausted

10:45

with and not only was it the Super Bowl,

10:47

it was the waste management, Phoenix

10:49

Open, which, like, news to me is, like,

10:51

the party golf

10:52

tournament. I had no idea. So there was a lot

10:54

going on when you were there. Yeah. You were

10:56

there for a full week. I was there for a full

10:58

week. And by the time I

11:01

hit, like, Friday, I

11:03

was I was gas. I

11:05

was gas. So I was I was little

11:07

bit sad that I wasn't gonna be able to see reread

11:09

in person because I did have to come

11:11

back. Yeah. But I will say that when

11:13

I got home, she was nice enough

11:15

to send a Fendi package my

11:17

way. So I can't have a Fendi package. So

11:19

I can't say, okay. This this

11:22

this makes it it.

11:23

She's with you in spirit. Well, maybe one and

11:25

gentlemen that you will meet her

11:27

one day. So

11:28

I really No. I already met her. Oh, yeah.

11:30

You went to that her event. Oh, okay.

11:32

Lucky. Lucky you. Maybe all man

11:34

plus one

11:35

name. Hi. Cool. Yeah.

11:37

She knew my name and everything.

11:38

was great. Oh, okay. So you mentioned

11:40

a launch don't know if you can talk about

11:42

this one now or flip the statement

11:44

for next week. When is

11:46

it when is this airing? This one won't hear

11:48

tomorrow.

11:49

Oh, then we're selling. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Do you wanna

11:51

turn that over then to you? Yeah. Sure. Okay. Okay.

11:53

So, Michelle, you just briefly

11:55

mentioned a little launch, which, of course, I

11:58

have to ask. You about. So tell me all of

12:00

the details on this.

12:01

Yeah. So what so

12:04

what I'm basically doing is

12:06

I've been putting in time with

12:08

building this website, working on motivational

12:11

speaking, to kind of really set

12:13

up like what the Michelle Young brand

12:15

is gonna be. And so what we

12:17

did last night is I was

12:19

able to partner with a young

12:21

girl called so her name is

12:25

excuse me. Kyla Joy.

12:27

And she started her own

12:30

business and, like, nonprofit by

12:32

building wellness packages for underprivileged

12:35

women. And so people like getting me

12:37

back up, we can we can go to the spot. We have these

12:39

opportunities where we can, you know, self

12:41

care all these different things that we're able to

12:43

do. And a lot of women

12:46

don't have the means to do that. And

12:48

so what she does is she builds these

12:50

bags wellness bags. And so

12:52

she works with different brands beauty brands,

12:55

face masks, socks,

12:57

journaling,

12:58

all this. But I will say that when I got

13:00

home, she was nice enough to send

13:02

finzi package my way. I thought I got

13:04

back

13:05

in. So that's okay. Okay. This this

13:08

this makes up for us.

13:09

She's with you in spirit. Well, maybe one day. We

13:11

hold manifest. That you will meet her

13:13

one day.

13:14

So really Oh, I already met her. Oh,

13:16

yeah. You went to that her events. Oh,

13:18

okay. I'm lucky. Lucky you. Maybe

13:20

all man has one I can hear

13:22

that. Oh, yeah.

13:23

She knew my name and everything. It was great. Okay.

13:25

So Michelle, you just briefly mentioned

13:28

a little launch, which, of course, I have to ask

13:30

you

13:30

about. So tell me all of the details on this.

13:33

Yeah. So what so

13:36

what I'm basically doing is I've

13:38

been putting in time with building

13:41

this website, working on motivational speaking,

13:44

to kind of really set up like what

13:46

the Michelle Young brand is gonna be. And

13:48

so what we did last night

13:50

is I was able to partner with

13:53

a young girl called so her

13:55

name is Excuse me.

13:58

Kyla Joy. And she

14:00

started her own business

14:02

and, like, nonprofit by building

14:04

wellness packages for underprivileged women.

14:07

And so people like getting me back up,

14:09

we can we can go to the spa. We have these opportunities

14:11

where we can, you know, self care

14:13

all these different things that we're able to do.

14:16

And a lot of women don't

14:18

have the means to do that. And so what

14:20

she does is she builds these bags,

14:23

wellness bags. And so she works with different brands

14:25

beauty brands, face masks,

14:28

socks, journaling, all this

14:30

other stuff into these bags, and then we deliver

14:32

them. And so where I'm

14:34

gonna be coming into play with this that every

14:36

single month, I'm gonna working with different charity

14:39

foundation organization to really

14:41

amplify their voice and the

14:43

brands that are working with me, I'm kind

14:45

of go fluid into also helping them

14:47

out as well. And so I'm

14:50

launching my brand, gonna be talking about,

14:52

you know, how I'm gonna be traveling, motivational speaking,

14:54

but then also how I'm gonna be including my followers.

14:57

In that whole voting process and nomination

15:00

process of which charity I'm gonna be working

15:02

for the next month and then getting to vote

15:04

on that. Select that, and then really putting that

15:06

into play with a professional in

15:08

professional manner. And so my website's

15:10

gonna have everything from, like, the YouTube channel

15:13

where it's going to showcase

15:15

everything that I'm doing during the month,

15:17

the campaigns that I'm working on.

15:20

And, yeah, there's already a lot of very exciting

15:23

ones that are coming up

15:24

here. And --

15:27

Yeah. --

15:27

I was like, that is incredible.

15:30

I And I love

15:31

the game. Changing the

15:34

game of influencing. True. That is

15:36

that is absolutely incredible. And I know you've

15:38

spent so much time and energy on this.

15:40

Like, I can't wait to see this

15:42

take off and hear all about it. Like,

15:45

I'm sure your lunch party was just so much fun. I

15:47

wish I could be there. Yeah. But

15:49

I'm I'm really in proud of you. And so, oh, god.

15:51

I just had one question about it. Oh, I

15:53

wanted to ask about your website. Can you share,

15:56

like, the link where people can go and see the

15:58

YouTube channel and everything. Yeah. Yeah.

16:00

So I will actually, I'll put it in, like, my highlights

16:02

or whatever just so that I can make sure that I'm

16:04

sharing it out correctly. Mhmm. But,

16:07

essentially, yeah, the the this website

16:09

is gonna have everything. As soon as you click

16:11

on it, you're going to be able to, you know, see

16:13

the places that I'm speaking. There's gonna be lot

16:15

of cool conferences coming up, one

16:17

including Pepperdine I'll be speaking and

16:19

I'm seeing And, yeah,

16:21

I will make sure to throw that link

16:24

on my highlights so that everyone can

16:26

access that. It also will just be in my bio

16:28

as well on Instagram. And

16:31

and the social media platform. So,

16:33

yeah, this is this is just the start. This

16:35

is just the start, but I'm I'm excited and

16:39

Yeah. Really just changing the game of influencing

16:42

and loves that. Challenging other influencers

16:44

as well to give

16:45

back. Well, look at you. I know, like, on your

16:47

season, you kept saying you wanted to change the world, and I

16:49

feel like this is just a big step in that right

16:51

direction. So that is absolutely tenable. So

16:53

proud I feel like I'm I'm like I don't wanna

16:55

cheer up, but I feel like a proud mom for

16:57

you. This is so exciting. I'm I'm just I'm

16:59

so happy for you. God,

17:01

not to change gears, but to

17:03

change gears. Could I tell you those

17:06

a beacon of somebody who also

17:08

really

17:09

is working to change the world. Mhmm.

17:12

Charity. Charity. But her name

17:14

says it all. Okay. Yeah.

17:16

I'm excited to bring her on in just a few

17:18

minutes here. Before we get into that,

17:21

let's get into, like, this week briefly,

17:24

we saw everyone head to the Bahamas.

17:27

What were your overall thoughts on this episode?

17:29

Was there anyone

17:30

new that kind of stood out to you that you

17:32

think like, oh, she might go far or

17:35

not so much? Honestly,

17:38

this episode, it

17:41

was I don't know. There's

17:43

there was a lot going on this episode, but

17:45

then there was not a lot going on this episode.

17:47

Like, I couldn't tell III

17:50

really couldn't tell. What I am what I will

17:52

say is that I will almost

17:55

pay more attention to how Zach

17:57

handles these situations and

18:00

not always, like, how the women are handling such

18:02

situations. And what I've noticed with him is

18:04

that anybody who gets caught

18:06

up in the drama, they're gone.

18:09

Mhmm. Like, right off the bat. Like,

18:11

that's that's what I was

18:14

really, really just interested to see if he was gonna

18:16

keep up with that with the whole consistency.

18:19

We had also BrokenS one on

18:21

one. We had Cats one on one. We

18:23

had really tough conversations that we had

18:25

in this episode. Yeah. I

18:27

will like, you just touched on Brooklyn. I will

18:30

say, she's one who

18:32

maybe I kind of rode her off at the

18:34

beginning, just be like, oh, you know, like, I

18:36

don't know how long she'll make it.

18:38

Okay. But she really

18:42

I mean, not even not even because she just got

18:44

that one on one, but I think her conversation, like,

18:46

during that evening portion, like, she

18:48

really stood out to me and I mean,

18:51

I think we all did. Saw aside to her

18:53

and saw, like, struggles that

18:56

no person should ever have to endure,

18:58

but, like, the way that she was able to speak

19:00

about them and I hope that she can be, like,

19:03

a person that people going through similar experiences

19:05

can now go to or look up to

19:07

in a way. I think that was really really

19:10

special. So I

19:12

will say, like, now I have my eye on Brooklyn.

19:14

You know, I might have been wrong at the beginning, but

19:17

I'd I'd feel like after that she might make it

19:19

way for further than I expected,

19:21

which I love to be wrong. So, hey,

19:24

keep proving me wrong. It really is,

19:26

I I will say that that's the beautiful thing of this

19:28

is that it really

19:31

I really hope that just the viewers

19:33

who are watching this episode and after they're watching

19:35

this episode, really handle

19:38

that with care and handle that

19:40

vulnerability with care. And that's something

19:42

that when I when I see people share

19:45

these you know, these stories and

19:48

and these moments. It is really

19:51

a beautiful thing. It shows so much

19:53

courage on their part. And

19:55

I also know that the Internet can really

19:58

take these things and run with it. And I -- Sure.

20:00

-- really, truly hope that Bachelors

20:02

nation sees this as strength

20:05

and really does, you know,

20:07

protect her and really, yeah, handles

20:09

this situation

20:11

as as it should be handled with so care.

20:13

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, one thousand percent.

20:16

I mean, anyone who has

20:18

hate or negativity coming towards I mean,

20:20

anyone in general, but especially brickened

20:22

in this case. Like, you have no place doing

20:24

that. But but I really, again, hope to

20:26

she can be a person

20:28

that other people can look up to and

20:31

and take inspiration from in the sense to

20:33

be able to get out of or hopefully,

20:35

like, take that step to get out of a

20:37

very bad toxic situation. So

20:40

yeah. We had some good one on ones. Zach

20:43

seems to, like, really be into some of

20:45

these women. Let's really briefly

20:47

just touch on this before bringing Charity Young because I don't

20:49

even wanna get her involved in this drama

20:51

between Kylie and Anastasia. It

20:54

was so weird because it

20:56

was, like, actually something that we kind of saw

20:58

go down, like, that first initial conversation

21:00

where Kylie went to go in corrupt them

21:03

to pull him aside, like, what were your thoughts? I'll

21:05

know of that? Because it really was like a he said

21:07

she said

21:09

she said type scenario, but, like, we saw it

21:11

all play out. So, like oh,

21:14

yeah. Okay. So here's the thing.

21:17

Everyone who's been on the show, it it's

21:19

so awkward. So, like, when there was, you

21:21

know, when there's that initial interruption where

21:23

somebody's having a conversation with the

21:25

lead, and you you had to walk over

21:27

a new interrupt, And a lot of,

21:29

like, the time, most of the time, people

21:31

do ask for a few more minutes because it's

21:33

a really short amount of time to get to know somebody and

21:36

you're really only sitting and talking them for, like,

21:38

what, ten, fifteen minutes. Mhmm. And

21:40

so that like, that's that's giving

21:42

it a lot too. Right. And so what's

21:45

so hard is the person that that

21:47

they're talking to, it comes

21:49

off kind of selfish if you ask

21:51

for a few more minutes.

21:53

But like in the grand scheme of things, you're trying

21:55

to get engaged or see if that's worth an

21:57

engagement in your in the middle of a really

22:00

vulnerable conversation because you don't

22:02

have time to do a lot of small talk.

22:04

Mhmm. And so it's hard because it's

22:06

like, you don't wanna just, like, put

22:08

a nail in it and then leave.

22:11

So it's like I understand that. But then I also

22:13

understand having to be

22:16

selfish or firm on the

22:18

other end as the person who interrupts.

22:21

Mhmm. And so, like, when

22:23

when Kylie came up and said, asked

22:25

for to steal him. And,

22:28

you know, Anastasia said, give me a few

22:30

more minutes and she and then I went back to Kylie, and

22:32

she said, But please, like,

22:34

can I just steal him? Like, take him

22:36

right now? I'm please don't make

22:38

me fight for it. It wasn't please

22:40

make don't please make me, like, duke you out

22:43

for it. Like, she wasn't coming at her

22:45

like that. Yeah. She was just saying, like,

22:47

I'm holding firm please

22:49

don't make me, like, really, like,

22:51

fight for this more, then we all know it's

22:53

a difficult situation. Like, that's how I

22:55

took it --

22:56

Yeah. -- and it truly. Like, that

22:58

there was no physical threat. No.

23:00

No. And so and that's where it was taken way out

23:02

of context. Like, I get that Anasasya was

23:05

upset that she was, you know,

23:07

that Zach was being pulled. You

23:10

could clearly tell that. Kylie was very

23:12

uncomfortable to do that in the first place. She didn't necessarily

23:14

want to get in there and be like, hi, I'm gonna pull

23:17

him, but like -- Right. -- also timings

23:19

of the essence and, like, you only have like,

23:21

because it is your show, like,

23:23

it is kind of structured in the way of, like, okay.

23:25

Now you're, like, you can go talk to him next. You can go talk

23:27

to him next. Like, go get in there. You have a couple minutes.

23:30

Right? Like, So I think it was

23:32

totally blown out of proportion. don't think

23:34

Kylie was coming at her Kylie clearly did

23:36

not want any altercation. She just wanted to talk

23:38

to to the Right. I think though

23:40

also too, and this is where I, like, tried to put

23:42

myself back in that place. Like, I

23:44

think it also would have been

23:47

helpful for Zach to not just sit there. And

23:49

I think he should have been, like, I was gonna sit I wish

23:51

Zach would have stepped up and then, like,

23:53

hey, Kylie. Give me two more minutes with her,

23:55

and then I'm gonna come pull you right after this. Like, I

23:57

remember being in that mindset where I was like, oh, I don't

23:59

want drama. I don't want guys to fight

24:01

over

24:02

me. Like, I wanna

24:03

finish this conversation. Give me a couple

24:05

minutes. And so and so I will combine

24:07

you. Like, I think that's all he had to say, and

24:09

I really wanted him to step up in that

24:11

moment and, you know, he just didn't. He felt

24:13

awkward too.

24:15

But but that's what I was kinda hoping for.

24:17

And at the end of the day, it's like, I

24:19

know that it's almost like he said,

24:22

she said, but typically,

24:24

it's like, he said, she said,

24:26

and trying to prove to the lead

24:29

what happened? The lead was there. Right.

24:31

He was there in the situation. He read

24:33

the room. He knew, like, if

24:35

he really felt like Anastasia was

24:38

at threat, I think he would have

24:41

wouldn't let anything happen. You know what I mean? It looks

24:43

like I I really no.

24:45

It was yeah. No. If there was

24:48

I don't

24:48

know. Just know.

24:49

It it could've it could've just been It

24:51

should've been in there. Yeah. It should've been

24:53

there today.

24:54

We get that, but there's no doesn't

24:56

go through it. Oh, I do not miss those moments, so

24:58

that's all I have to say. But neither.

25:02

Who we have been missing for a couple weeks

25:04

is charity. So I and

25:06

we have been so excited to have her

25:08

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25:10

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27:18

Welcome, Charity. We are so

27:20

happy that you are finally on the

27:22

podcast. And, like, I'm just prefacing

27:24

this

27:25

of, like, you you are aindexus

27:27

girl. Like, we we are

27:29

You are her favorite. Do you want

27:31

me to say, you're not even

27:33

current. Like, I just I feel like, deepened my

27:35

soul. This girl's gonna go

27:36

far. This girl's gonna go far.

27:38

I love you. Hey. Also,

27:41

are you so honored to be here? You look

27:43

stunning. Like, first and foremost,

27:45

like, I mean, you're Everyone that comes

27:47

on the show is stunning. Right? Don't get me wrong,

27:50

but you just you are beautiful. We're so

27:52

so so happy to have you on.

27:55

I wanna just ask, like, before we get into everything,

27:57

is this your first podcast? This is.

27:59

Like, I don't don't do podcast. This

28:02

is, like, the first one. So I'm, like, so

28:04

honored that it's with you all because, I mean, I'm

28:06

fangirling a little

28:07

bit, but, like, honestly, I'm so happy to be

28:09

here.

28:09

Oh my gosh. Well, it's just had a long time

28:11

coming since night one how

28:14

did you get cast on the show? Like,

28:16

were you a fan of it before? Mhmm. Okay.

28:19

So funny enough. I,

28:21

my best friend from high school, She

28:24

actually nominated me. And the

28:26

thing is with her, she is not, like, a

28:28

bachelor, like, fan by any means. Like, I watched

28:30

it, like, and I've watched several seasons, like, you all

28:32

seasons. Peter, Hannah Brown's.

28:34

I've seen so many, but I never at

28:36

one point decided like, okay, I'm gonna nominate

28:39

myself for this. So she

28:41

actually kind of brought up the idea and she was like,

28:43

I'm gonna nominate you. I had recently got

28:45

out of a relationship, like, two years ago. And

28:47

so I think her along with, like, a lot of

28:49

other people in my life were, like, really happy that I

28:51

was no Wondery in this relationship. So

28:53

they took advantage of that moment and she was,

28:55

like, I'm gonna nominate you I think you'd

28:58

be perfect for it. You have, like, a

29:00

great personality. And I do

29:02

not take her serious because eighty percent

29:04

of our relationship is just us always like goofing

29:06

all. So I was, okay, whatever. You're gonna you're

29:08

gonna nominate me. And so

29:10

I remember, like, it was right after

29:13

I had finished my master's degree. I just,

29:15

like, graduated, like, a week after I had gotten

29:17

a call, and it was from one

29:19

of the casting producers. And I was, like,

29:21

Okay. Like, there's only one person that mentioned

29:23

this to me. And so I remember texting her right away.

29:26

And I was like, did you nominate me? And then she goes,

29:28

yeah. Why wasn't I? I was for real? And I was like,

29:30

okay. Great. So here we

29:31

are. And so that's kinda what's the process

29:34

of how I ended up here. Mhmm. Wow.

29:36

That's crazy. Okay. I just peeped

29:38

out that you said that you had just finished

29:40

your master's degree. Yeah. Was that

29:42

just everything that you're doing now with? I know

29:45

that you mentioned that you were a

29:47

that you were a child like in family therapist.

29:50

Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. So about

29:52

that. Yeah. So I did

29:54

both of my undergraduate and my master's degree

29:56

at Auburn. So I went to Auburn. And

29:59

so once I finished, I got my masters

30:01

in mental health counseling, and my

30:03

internship was actually within, like,

30:05

trauma. And so worked at a CAC,

30:08

which is a child advocacy center. And so we

30:10

kinda see the worst of the worst cases, which

30:13

is, like, really, like, hard. But I was

30:15

so incredibly passionate about that work, so I kinda

30:17

just decided to stay in that line of

30:19

of practice. And so you kinda

30:22

mentioned oh, you hear me mention it a little bit

30:24

on on the show with Zach. I'm talking

30:26

about that, but I still work

30:28

with kids and then kinda getting that family

30:30

aspect too. So it's really more trauma

30:32

focused, but really do have

30:34

a heart for that and incredibly

30:37

rewarding

30:37

work. That's so Wondery. And I feel

30:39

like -- Yeah. You

30:42

probably do such difficult work. You

30:44

probably see so many terrible things

30:46

in your line of work. So just thank you for being

30:49

there for those

30:49

kid. Thank

30:50

you. Yeah. I wanted to ask you this,

30:52

and I was thinking about this, like, once we knew that

30:54

we were gonna have you on. Yeah. So

30:56

take in it back, and I don't remember what week it was,

30:58

but there was one group date that you were on

31:00

where oh, it was the it was the

31:02

group date where Taj came and crashed.

31:04

The night portion. And everyone,

31:06

all of the women, are kind of spirally and freaking

31:09

out, like, is she gonna stay? Is she gonna keep

31:11

her? And you in that moment. And I actually said

31:13

this on podcast a couple weeks

31:14

ago, you were like, let's do some grounding

31:16

exercise.

31:17

Yeah. Just let us all combat. Yeah.

31:19

Which I was thinking, like, damn.

31:21

I wish we would've had somebody do that on ours,

31:24

and that could've kind of just,

31:25

like, kept us level even

31:27

keeled. Did you find yourself doing

31:30

that a lot throughout the season

31:32

when things kind of went arrive with other women to

31:34

kind of help bring them back down. Mhmm. And

31:37

yes. And to answer that, And

31:39

so if I need to know y'all bring that up because I did,

31:41

like, kinda almost instantly kinda feel like,

31:43

okay. I might be playing with their

31:45

control

31:46

here. Like, all season. I'm gonna even check for

31:48

maybe z, but, like yeah.

31:51

But I remember just like a lot of

31:53

the girls did just kinda fine, like, comforting,

31:55

like, coming to me and talking about things. And

31:57

and and not thinking in that moment, like, oh, like,

31:59

they're utilizing me because of, like, my profession.

32:02

I also just think, like, it was just, like, we were

32:04

like, such a close class. And

32:06

it was easy to, like, really talk to people, but

32:08

I admire that a lot of the girls did,

32:10

like, try to come and talk to me. And so

32:13

throughout throughout the season. Like, you'll

32:15

see little snip, like, peaks of me

32:17

trying to implement some like therapy

32:19

tactics. In, like, group chat, like,

32:21

conversations. So, yeah, I kinda

32:24

bounce back and forth a little

32:25

bit. Where were you on?

32:26

On the season I was on. That's

32:29

that's honestly, even just, like, talking to

32:31

the few minutes that we have spoken. And Mhmm.

32:34

-- for those who are at home listening wherever you guys are

32:36

listening, she Charity's, like, glowing

32:38

as she's speaking about what she does. And I

32:40

absolutely love that. I love that

32:42

you're so passionate about working and just helping

32:44

with helping people, helping children know.

32:47

But how whether it was on the

32:49

show or whether it's now? How do you maintain

32:51

that balance? How do you maintain the balance of

32:54

you you care about these people that

32:56

you work with. You care about the girls that you're helping

32:58

on the show. Right? Mhmm. But it also

33:00

can be really heavy -- Mhmm. -- when you're

33:02

in a line of work with that. It's it's build

33:04

on passion. Right? Yeah. Yeah. How do

33:07

you, like, maintain that balance and make sure

33:09

that you're okay.

33:10

Like, who's

33:10

checking in on you, whether it was

33:13

on the show. You're trying to navigate your

33:15

relationship with Zach, but also

33:17

you're trying to help everybody else think through

33:19

things and, you know, at home, or when

33:21

you're working, you're navigating through these really difficult

33:23

stories, and it's not like that weight or

33:25

that emotion gets taken off once you leave your

33:27

office or at the end of the

33:28

day. So how do you keep your balance? Know

33:31

this is, like, really cliche to say, but, like, self care

33:33

and, like, don't take it lightly at all. It's something that's

33:35

very important and not not even just from me,

33:37

like, anyone to practice no matter what you're

33:39

doing. And I have

33:41

grown to know that, like, silk hair is not

33:44

for me. Like, sometimes might just mean, like,

33:46

okay, I'm not gonna be on my phone or, like,

33:48

it could be, like, I'm gonna go extra that

33:50

I'm gonna go on a walk, and I'm gonna do this. Like,

33:52

there's so many things that are incorporated within

33:55

my self care. And so that's just

33:57

strongly something that I lean into, whether

33:59

that's like, journaling our member on the show.

34:01

Like, I journal every single day

34:04

from a spiritual person. So, like, I was doing,

34:06

like, patients. Like, things like that to just kinda

34:08

help me keep my my mind at

34:10

bay with things. But then also,

34:12

they're just, like, connecting with other girls too.

34:14

Like, I knew Like, I was close with a

34:16

lot of the girls, like, almost every single one on

34:18

this season. And so just finding those

34:21

people that I knew I could have, like,

34:23

maybe more, like, deeper conversations with

34:25

that was, like, really important for me.

34:27

So it I mean, it it could

34:29

be anything, but for me, that's just kinda just

34:31

self care. It's just what I do. And burnout in

34:33

my field is very, like, easy to

34:36

happen. Like, I remember, like, you know, obviously, I

34:38

do trauma. So, like, it's not, like,

34:40

light. But, like, what

34:42

you said you mentioned, like, leaving your work at home.

34:44

Like, don't take anything home with me. Like, I

34:46

leave it at the door and it's like it'll be there for

34:48

me next week or whenever I go

34:50

in again. But I try to

34:52

just, like, what's for work? Is for work?

34:54

And when I get home, like, that's my

34:56

time. Yeah. How was it how

34:58

was that transition then I

35:00

guess maybe two transitions you could say,

35:03

leaving work and, you know, and

35:05

your stability, your family, your friends, your

35:07

daily life routine, leaving

35:09

all that behind, coming on the show where you're

35:11

stripped of all that normalcy, you're stripped

35:13

of your phone, any contact with your family,

35:16

and then coming back into the real world.

35:18

And I'm I'm assuming you went back to work.

35:20

Correct? Yeah. Okay. What were those

35:23

two transition process is, like, was it -- Yeah. --

35:25

I can imagine it was very

35:26

difficult. Still adjusting. Yeah.

35:30

But but, yes, I think the hardest part

35:32

for me, like, going on this

35:34

show was, like, being stripped away from, like, my

35:37

support system because that's, like,

35:39

a part of my self care practice It's just like,

35:41

okay if I need to, like, get on the phone with, like, a

35:43

friend or if I need to go out and

35:45

go to, like, get drinks or dinner or whatever

35:47

with my family, whoever that may be, like,

35:49

that was not no longer there for me.

35:51

So, like, I kinda did struggle

35:53

a little bit with that, but addressing

35:56

back to, I guess,

35:58

the real world after the batch of being in the batch

36:00

of bubble. That was

36:03

I think it was, like, not as part because I

36:05

was just, like, so eager to get back. And I think

36:08

for me, like, I just wanted to make sure, like,

36:10

once I jumped back into work that I was

36:12

fully, like, prepared to do that again, And

36:14

so I did kinda with

36:16

my caseload, I just try not to have

36:18

so many, like, clients all at once because before

36:21

I was seeing a lot and then now it's, like,

36:23

still, like, minimal just because, like, I am still

36:25

in, like, an adjustment period myself. And so

36:27

I wanna make sure that whenever I

36:29

am, like, treating or, like, just sitting

36:31

with a client that I'm, like, at my full

36:33

capacity to be able to pour back into

36:35

someone else's line.

36:37

Do you ever That's a lot too. That's

36:39

so much. Mhmm. And Okay. So

36:42

you're

36:42

you're currently in Georgia right

36:44

now. Perfect. Yeah. Are you born

36:46

and raised? Yeah. Well,

36:48

I'm not born. My dad was in the military,

36:51

so I was born in New Jersey, but I

36:53

basically have lived in Georgia, my

36:55

whole life, and then went to school

36:57

Auburn. So, like, lived in Alabama little bit,

36:59

but, obviously, they're right next to each other.

37:01

So Mhmm. Okay. So it's the accent that

37:03

I hear an accent. I say that because we

37:05

both have one story story. So

37:07

so you're like people about all the

37:09

time. Is it so it's from Georgia?

37:11

Is this assuming Everyone

37:14

everyone says that, and I'm like, I don't hurt.

37:16

And obviously, I know I can't hear it myself,

37:18

but, like, because everyone says, you have like this

37:20

little bit of like this sudden draw. And I'm like,

37:22

okay. Like, it's a little

37:23

twang. I guess people hear -- You

37:25

know what I mean. -- I love

37:27

the little twang. It's it's weird. I love

37:29

it. I really do like it as well. Is that

37:31

where do you have family that that's living

37:34

there as well?

37:35

Yeah. So my both my parents

37:37

are here, they're retired, and then I have

37:39

two siblings that live here as well, and

37:41

then I have another sibling. So I have two brothers,

37:43

one sister, a sister and

37:46

brother live

37:46

here, and then my brother that's, like,

37:48

this is an age with me. He lives in

37:50

North Carolina.

37:52

Okay.

37:52

He's, like, only going not too far. Yeah.

37:56

Would you ever I mean, obviously, the

37:58

the show does some crazy things, and we don't know

38:00

if you and Zach end up together or

38:02

where that leads? Would you ever consider

38:05

moving away from your family? Or is, like,

38:07

this home

38:08

base, like, Georgia is where you wanna be?

38:09

Oh, one hundred percent. I'm,

38:12

like, eager to, like, move away. Not in

38:14

the sense that yeah. Not in the sense that I'm,

38:16

like, ready to, like, be away from my family.

38:18

Like, I think I will always have that, like, component

38:21

of me, like being family oriented in that sense,

38:23

but, like, I am just ready to, like,

38:25

let's start afresh because, I mean, like

38:27

I said, being in school for so long,

38:30

it was still, like, I was still in close proximity

38:32

with my family and, like, friends. So

38:34

I do have, like, a bit of, like,

38:36

you know, comfortability here,

38:38

but, like, in no way. Am I, like, attached

38:40

to, like, Georgia? Like, I want to leave.

38:42

Okay. Well, if you ever need tour guides

38:45

in either Minnesota or California, call

38:47

us up because we got you. So very,

38:50

very vastly different. Yes.

38:53

Okay. I'll make sure wanted to ask something more about

38:55

-- Mhmm. -- like, projected in the future, and I

38:57

totally lost my train of oh, no. No. Sorry. This

38:59

is what I wanted to ask back to family. We

39:02

all you know, we've all done the show. And

39:05

we've all it it's one thing when you're filming it,

39:07

but it's another thing when it starts to

39:10

air. And it can be awkward

39:12

at times. It can be cringey at times.

39:15

Have you been watching it back

39:17

with your family with your friends?

39:19

What has what has that been like? Because

39:22

I used to watch with my family and I

39:24

was like,

39:24

okay, fell forward. Fast forward, Google's Can't

39:26

do that part. I

39:28

have watched it with both, like, friends

39:31

and family. I remember, like, the first

39:33

and I obviously did the premiere. I watched it with, like,

39:35

everybody. So my family

39:37

and my friends were all together. And

39:40

for the most part, like, I know, like, I kinda

39:42

prefaced them, like, if I thought something was coming

39:45

up, but, like, I don't think I did anything that was, like,

39:47

cheap crazy. But I just, like, the same

39:49

thing is obviously,

39:50

like, night one, everyone's like, like,

39:52

okay. Like, come on guys. It's so uncomfortable.

39:57

Isn't it so uncomfortable? Like, it's

39:59

like, It's like you

40:01

did

40:02

oh, especially, like, dad is in the

40:04

room. Exactly. My dad's in the room.

40:07

My dad is, like, trying to just, like, mask he's, like,

40:09

scrolling on the phone. Oh, no. No. No. No.

40:12

No.

40:12

No. No. Can you mind it? I'm,

40:15

like, oh, god. It's such

40:16

just a different

40:17

titles like -- Right. -- there's, like, vulnerability

40:20

and, like, showcasing yourself --

40:22

Right. -- to the world and, like, being

40:24

vulnerable and relationship and, like, yeah,

40:26

vulnerability, like, vulnerability with watching

40:28

it back. But, like, that's, like, one vulnerability

40:31

that I'm, like, I don't know if I actually Neos.

40:34

I don't

40:34

grow. I don't grow for my dad seeing

40:36

me make out.

40:37

Yeah. Yeah. With

40:39

adults about that, Michelle. Right.

40:42

I

40:42

mean, that's different for sure.

40:45

Well, who knows? Maybe charity, you

40:47

never know. Maybe you'll have to live with that

40:50

two one

40:50

day. Do you have multiple back? Honestly, family

40:52

watch it back.

40:53

Just let me know. Maybe do if you need me

40:55

to fly to Georgia, so

40:57

that I can start prepping your dad

41:00

to see you on the screen

41:02

a little bit longer. You know? Maybe trying to find

41:04

your own dad's thirty minutes. They might need a little

41:06

doing is, here's the thing though. Becky

41:09

and I know Jack shit, we're just manifesting.

41:11

Like, I I really if you're with Zach, I really

41:13

hope you're

41:14

happy. But part of me also

41:16

is like, Can

41:18

you say it? I'm gonna say it. I hope you're

41:20

not with Zach, and I hope you're bad, sir. And I'm saying

41:22

it right now. Damn. Because you wanna know what?

41:24

We need a oh my gosh. We need bad

41:26

are at, like, you just you have it all.

41:28

You're so well rounded. You're so sweet.

41:31

You're such a hard worker. You're genuine. Love

41:34

knowing your perspective, not personal

41:37

color. Like, I I absolutely love

41:38

it. Yeah. Bless our screens, please.

41:41

But

41:41

if you are with that, I'm so I

41:44

wish you well. Thank

41:45

you so be right. I'm just I'm manifesting.

41:48

Okay. Such a brand mistake. hope it does work

41:50

out. We want you for

41:51

that. I love it.

41:53

Campaign starting it now. This is what we're campaigning.

41:58

Give us a little bit background, like,

42:00

prior to the show, had you

42:02

been in any, like, long term relationships?

42:04

Like, what was your past like, that could, like,

42:07

get you to this point where you're

42:08

like, okay, I do want to find a lifelong

42:10

partner. Mhmm. So yeah.

42:12

So kinda mentioned it a little bit

42:14

when I how I got nominated. So the relationship

42:17

that I was kinda talking about then,

42:20

it was a pretty long relationship. It was like

42:22

six years on and off. So pretty

42:24

long dated,

42:26

like, senior like, it's, like, high school speed heart.

42:28

Like, literally, like, this is my person. So

42:31

high school speed heart's went off to

42:33

college. We had some

42:35

turmoil there, like, on and off, but

42:38

then kinda came back together, like, a little bit

42:40

right before I'd started grad school, but then it

42:42

obviously just, like, didn't work out. Mhmm.

42:44

It was just a really, like, unhealthy relationship.

42:48

And I think in that moment, like,

42:50

I was the one that kinda had to pull the the

42:52

plug on it and, like, decide for myself, which

42:54

was something that was really kinda

42:56

hard for me to do because I'm type

42:58

typically, the type of person that likes to see the

43:00

good in in everyone.

43:01

And I'm like, okay. Like, this person, like,

43:03

they're capable of, like, changing or, like,

43:05

I take what they say. And I mean, like, they they

43:07

mean what they say to me. And so I

43:10

had to pull the plug on that. And I think in that

43:12

moment, like, it was just a moment where I had

43:14

to, like, stand up for myself and Like, what

43:16

are the things that I want in a relationship, not

43:18

just like what this person needs and always like

43:20

giving in to what they want? And so

43:23

did a lot of, like, therapy with that and just,

43:25

like, healing and trying to figure out what

43:27

it is that I actually did want. And so

43:30

kinda getting to this point. Like, I dated,

43:32

like, people after that, but they were,

43:34

by no means, like, a really long relationship.

43:37

It was like, few weeks or, like,

43:39

a month in that, and then just kinda

43:41

realize that this isn't our person either.

43:43

Yeah. And so I think right

43:45

before the show, I just kinda had a period where I

43:47

was not gonna see anyone. Like, I just need to really, like,

43:49

just strictly focus on myself, and then

43:52

this opportunity

43:53

came. And I was like, well, you know what? Here we

43:55

are. Here's a sign. Alright.

43:57

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44:03

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44:35

Did you feel like it was like an

44:38

an opportunity, like

44:40

a door was just opening and that that that you were

44:42

supposed to take

44:43

this? And did you have new reservations when

44:45

that opportunity was presented? Yeah.

44:47

I think definitely had reservations. I think

44:49

it's I mean, it's kinda hard to

44:51

say, like, you go on something like this and you're not, like,

44:53

maybe, like, unsure about how the outcome

44:56

could be or what could actually transpire. But

44:58

for me, with the timing

45:01

of everything, like, everything you can just

45:03

kinda fell into place, like, just

45:05

graduating and then, like, getting the call

45:07

and then, like, having all summer of, like,

45:09

going through the, like, the casting process and

45:11

then I remember, like, right before, like,

45:13

the decision was made for me. Like,

45:16

everything was just, like, pointing

45:18

to, like, to back And I was like, don't know what this

45:20

means. Like, I don't know how to take this, but I'm like,

45:22

you know what? Like, if it's for me, it's

45:24

for me, and if it's not, it's not. And, like,

45:26

that was kinda like my mindset going into

45:28

this. Like, I wasn't gonna force anything.

45:30

Mhmm. But I remember

45:33

just, like, alright. If you know,

45:35

when something presents itself to you, it's almost like,

45:37

I believe, like, everything does happen for a reason,

45:39

good or bad. And so I

45:41

kinda had to, like, put my perspective there

45:43

and remember just like, it still didn't

45:45

hit me until,

45:46

like, I think, got a getting out of the window and, like, holding

45:48

sex again. I was like, I don't know what I'm doing, but

45:51

that that's how everybody feels.

45:53

Yeah. They're, like, probably, yes, sir. I'm sure.

45:56

So when did you when did you

45:58

find out that Zach was gonna be the lead? And,

46:00

like, Have you watched Gabbie and Rachel

46:02

season? Did you know a little bit about him? Mhmm.

46:04

Yeah. So I did watch Gabbie and

46:06

Rachel season. And so I did remember,

46:09

like, seeing him and, like, he was definitely

46:11

someone. I was like, okay. Like, he wasn't,

46:13

like, at the forefront, like, you know, his

46:15

personality, I don't think, like, came all the

46:17

way through the screen, but I was like, okay. Like, he

46:19

seems like endearing and like really charming and

46:21

just like a good person. And so

46:23

I remember watching it was like

46:25

the finale after the final rose when he was announced.

46:28

I was with some friends and we were having

46:30

a Hawaiian night. And I

46:32

remember I think we recorded it because it

46:35

was part of the like, what I submitted for

46:37

my like promo video,

46:39

but I remember

46:41

we were all sitting there and I was like, I

46:43

don't know who it's gonna be, but, like, I think it

46:45

might be zag, but, like, it could be also anyone

46:47

else. Like, I generally don't know. And I remember

46:49

him, like, when they said, it's Zach, and I

46:51

was like, oh my goodness. Like, I was like, I don't know.

46:53

Like, honestly, like, kinda

46:54

felt, like, multiple emotions. Like, it

46:56

wasn't, like, yeah. But it also wasn't

46:58

like, I hate this choice. Like, no way.

47:01

I was like, okay. Let's see, like, how he, like,

47:03

handles himself on this stage and, like, you know,

47:05

what he talks about. And so I remember when

47:07

he came and sat down with Jesse and

47:10

he started talking about, like, his intentions,

47:12

like, what he was looking for, like, a person

47:14

of, like, good character, like, he is

47:16

looking for his best friend. I remember him talking

47:18

about his parents marriage being married for,

47:20

like, thirty something years. I was like, all those

47:22

things were kinda just, like, in alignment with

47:25

also the things that I was looking for and, like,

47:27

we had very similar, like, connections like my

47:29

parents were married for forty seven years. I was like,

47:31

okay, this is gray. And I remember, like,

47:33

him also just being nervous. So, like, it all it

47:35

wasn't like he was put together in a sense. It

47:37

was like, he was unapologetically himself,

47:40

and I loved that. I was like, he's to be a little

47:42

nervous. Like, it's not a full, like,

47:44

put together, like, mask.

47:46

And so I think I really resonated with

47:48

him on the stage and, like, I kinda had this,

47:50

like, sense of peace. I was like, okay. Like, I

47:53

don't know if there will be a connection when

47:55

I get

47:55

there, but I'm here for it. So we'll see.

47:58

I love that you went into it with

48:00

that mentality. And I think everyone can

48:02

relate to being like, Yay,

48:05

I'm excited, but, like, also, who

48:07

knows? This could

48:08

be, like, a totally terrible fit for me.

48:10

Right. And it's and it's really not like you said,

48:12

it's not until you get their night one.

48:15

You actually see each other. You can actually

48:17

talk and interact

48:17

and, like, see if there's a connection where

48:19

that's like when it really starts to take

48:21

place. And -- Mhmm. -- and I love

48:23

that mentality because we've had so many people, like, throughout

48:26

all of the seasons, I've been podcasting for three

48:28

years now. Where people are like, I

48:30

was so

48:30

excited. That's the one I wanted. I'm like,

48:32

are

48:32

you just saying that? Because you're on this podcast right now.

48:34

Right. I appreciate the honesty.

48:37

Did you feel like and

48:39

you you just spoke about, you know, like, your past relationship

48:41

and how it kind of helped you, like, learn,

48:44

what qualities you did or did not wanna and a

48:45

partner. Mhmm. What were some like, once you

48:47

got to know Zach and it actually met him

48:49

that he embodied that you did want, some qualities.

48:53

It was, for me, I was really

48:55

looking for just, like, the honesty. He

48:58

was always very, like, Kufrin and

49:01

just transparent. And, like, whether

49:03

that meant, like, it was a difficult conversation

49:06

or, like, a good conversation. Like, he never held

49:08

back and I really appreciated that because I

49:10

know how hard that can be,

49:13

especially, like, even that's still kinda something, like,

49:15

like, struggle with little bit of just, like, okay.

49:17

Like, I don't wanna hurt some feelings, but, like, I

49:19

need to be honest. Like, that's something that he,

49:22

like, possessed and he was very consistent with

49:24

that, but also just, like, his confidence,

49:26

like, he was so certain in what he wanted.

49:29

And, like, there was no, like, there

49:31

was no sway in that. Like, he knew, like,

49:33

I came in here for, like, marriage. I came in here

49:35

for my best friend. Like, he's not here to play

49:37

gay. And I think, like,

49:39

knowing that that was his intentions this whole time.

49:41

Like, I never felt like I was wrong by

49:43

him. And so, like,

49:45

just like that confidence and, like, the

49:47

honesty factor, it was really

49:49

just like it just shook shown through

49:52

to

49:52

him. And so I was like, yeah. I I'm here. I

49:54

love this. Oh. I love

49:56

that for you. And honestly speaking of

49:58

shining, I will say that the moment that

50:00

you stepped in to

50:02

meet Zach, Like, it seemed

50:04

like sparks were flying. Then you

50:06

hit the football date, and you

50:09

-- Right. -- and crush everybody. To

50:11

the beach party, Like, you

50:14

literally do it all. You truly do it all.

50:16

But really back to that moment of you

50:18

building up, getting to see if

50:20

this person potentially could

50:23

be somebody you spend the rest of your life with.

50:25

When did you really start feeling like those

50:27

like butterflies and those types of sparks

50:29

fly? Yeah. I

50:31

think it was after I

50:34

will say night one, like, that's a little same, but,

50:36

like, I don't wanna like, I'm gonna just, like, know why

50:38

I was in love with the kid, but, like, I definitely

50:43

felt like I definitely felt like

50:45

a little bit of, like, a spark there just because,

50:47

like, I think I went into night

50:50

Wondery. I wasn't even like, that wasn't

50:52

on my radar to even, like, kiss him or anything.

50:54

Like, I was just more focus on, like, okay.

50:56

This is the opportunity to see,

50:59

like, is there a connection there? And even if

51:01

it's not, they're, like, could there potentially be one,

51:03

like, that's developed later online? And

51:05

so I remember, like, our conversation was very

51:07

lighthearted, but I remember when I started

51:10

talking about, like, my line of work, and then

51:12

think that was, like, a really, like, neck a factor

51:14

for him because of what his mom does.

51:17

And so Mhmm. -- when he

51:18

asked, like, hiss me, I was, like, yeah.

51:21

I'm still lately, like, no. It has to take in there.

51:23

To a smile. I was

51:24

gonna say, shit. He did. He asked

51:26

to kiss you, so we know that he felt the spark.

51:28

He was angry. He

51:29

did not ask to send anyone.

51:31

Right. I mean, no. He really didn't. How

51:33

was that? Oh, it was so

51:35

it was so sweet, so special. I think I was,

51:37

like, so excited.

51:39

I answered way too quickly, like, watching it

51:41

back. I he was, like, and I keep just, like, yeah. He's,

51:43

like, absolutely. He's, like, she's, like, relaxed

51:46

a little bit right now, but I

51:48

remember, like, kiss was just, like, so sweet,

51:51

so special. He really is,

51:53

like, as genuine as

51:55

it gets in. That's something that I

51:57

just like, when it comes to guys, like,

51:59

that's just rare. I'm gonna be honest, it's very

52:01

rare. So Yeah. Yeah. I admire that

52:03

so

52:04

much. And it seemed like that connection

52:06

kept going because It was

52:08

in the next week that

52:10

right. It was the next week that you got

52:13

the group date rose -- Mhmm. -- during

52:15

that evening portion, which I wanna get into

52:17

a little bit because --

52:18

Yeah. -- we're so happy for you, and I I

52:20

felt it was very deserved. Mhmm.

52:22

How well, let's just start with

52:23

that. How did that feel when he called your name to

52:25

give you that group date, Rose? Yeah.

52:28

I was I was very shocked. I was

52:30

genuinely surprised and not

52:32

in the sense that, like, I felt like

52:34

I wasn't deserving of it, but it was more

52:36

so, like, there's so many other girls here.

52:38

And you never know what

52:40

those conversations are like, like, you only know

52:43

what your conversation is with you and

52:45

him. And although we have, like, a

52:47

very fantastic conversation, just how

52:49

highlighting things on the group date,

52:52

and then just, like, things that he admired me

52:54

and, like, just kinda getting that validation, like, 101.

52:57

But to kinda have him come out

53:00

and also give that validation like, a

53:02

group setting. Like, I was genuinely so

53:05

happy and wasn't expecting

53:07

it, like I said. So I I felt

53:09

great. Mhmm. However, we know, like,

53:11

how how things kinda go

53:12

down. Let's get

53:13

into that a little bit.

53:15

I don't wanna start with that, but we, of course, have

53:17

to ask you.

53:17

We're here. We're here now. So let's talk. Yeah.

53:20

So obviously, we saw Christina make some

53:22

comment of, like, mhmm. Whatever

53:24

she said, I don't understand

53:26

why. And and Michelle and I actually

53:28

talked about this on the podcast too because we

53:30

really

53:30

don't rob charity of this

53:33

moment. Like And it's not for Christina

53:35

to understand why Zach is making these decisions.

53:37

Like, she's not adding to your private

53:39

time, your conversations. Like, she has no

53:42

idea. Right. And and she did

53:44

bring you to to tears that night.

53:46

So what was that, like, when

53:48

she first made that comment and, like,

53:51

it kinda kept going for a little

53:52

bit, like, Zach walked away,

53:54

like, the girls were so talking about it. Like, talk

53:56

us a little bit. Yeah.

53:59

Initially, when she had made the comment,

54:01

I was just like, okay. Like, what,

54:04

like, what do you mean? I think that's what you seem.

54:06

I'm like, I'm sorry. What? Like, bless your heart. Like, what

54:08

do you mean? And I was a little

54:10

taken aback, but I think

54:12

I don't know. And I don't wanna fault myself for, like,

54:15

asking that to, like, almost in a

54:17

sense like that is what kinda continued the conversation

54:19

because I don't think me asking, like, for

54:21

clarification. Like, What did you mean by this?

54:23

Or what did you say? Is the reason

54:25

why she kept going? But I think, you

54:28

know, for in that moment, I

54:30

don't wanna fault her for, like, how she

54:32

felt, but I think it was also just very important

54:35

to, like, have a level of self awareness

54:37

of, like, reading the room almost or,

54:39

like, you see, like, you can feel those feelings,

54:41

you can have those feelings, but maybe, like, this

54:43

is not the appropriate timing to vocalize

54:46

that, especially in the setting.

54:49

Or just, like, not knowing when they'll, like, kinda draw

54:51

the line, like, enough is a nerve type situation.

54:53

So you, obviously,

54:56

the viewers, like, they mean visibly, like,

54:58

in tears. And I don't wanna

55:00

apologize for that too because I think we, like, stigmatized,

55:02

like, tears as, like, a sign of

55:03

weakness. It's

55:04

not, like No. I think I I thought they were totally

55:06

valid.

55:07

Yeah. Right. And from

55:09

from a

55:10

oh, go ahead. No. You're good. But

55:12

I just remember, like, from me, like, that was

55:14

just I, like, had to think almost

55:17

instantaneously, like, how am I gonna, like, regulate

55:19

myself in this moment? Like, do I wanna, like,

55:21

choose to, like, go back and forth with

55:23

someone or do I just wanna, like, have a moment

55:26

to myself? And that's kinda how

55:28

I regulated

55:28

myself, which is just, like, two tiers and then you see

55:30

me get up and x a stage left. Like This is

55:32

where the therapist would know where everyone

55:35

could take no time to you.

55:38

Yes. Yes. I I think

55:40

think from a viewer standpoint, okay,

55:42

because we're watching you all go through

55:44

the state. We're watching you and and we're

55:46

see I

55:47

mean, we're seeing whatever,

55:49

you know, whatever is coming across our screens

55:51

of your conversations and we're getting to know

55:53

you ladies and everything like that. And think

55:55

we're Kufrin a viewer standpoint,

55:57

for me personally. Anyways, what was so frustrating

56:00

is you are the person that was

56:02

grounding everybody else and all these other

56:04

all these other moment. Right? Like, you were

56:06

there to calm people down. You stepped outside

56:09

of yourself to help others,

56:11

to, like, bring that inner peace. And

56:14

the least the least that

56:16

we could do is just to have self awareness in this

56:18

moment. Yeah. You don't have to you know, you were never asking

56:20

for someone to, you know, cheer you

56:22

on and let's know what shots and

56:24

celebrate because you got the group roles. Like,

56:27

you never expect that. But it's like but

56:29

damn. Like, you give so much to the people around

56:31

you. And help them. And you

56:33

kinda always naturally fall into this position.

56:35

So then for for that moment to be the

56:37

one Yeah. -- that where they're really kinda or

56:40

were not they. Christina's coming at it. To

56:42

really strips that away. And

56:44

I can see why that would be hurtful and frustrating.

56:46

And -- Mhmm. -- no. The the tears

56:49

you you did phenomenal. You handled

56:51

that. You you are a stronger woman

56:53

than I am because, like,

56:56

the way and and I feel like it has to play

56:58

in to kind of do yourself that you were talking about

57:00

where you were like

57:00

Yeah. -- how do I handle this? Like, there's a

57:02

couple different ways that can take, but, like, how do I

57:04

preserve my energy and to just Right.

57:07

Not keep egging it on, not to keep asking

57:09

questions into just, as you said, exit stage

57:11

left. I was like -- Yeah. -- kudos.

57:13

Somebody get this girl a trophy or

57:15

something any sense, like,

57:17

the amount of patience and

57:20

just calmness that you exhibited in that

57:21

moment. I was, like, kudos to

57:23

you. Yeah. Yep.

57:25

Because

57:26

we could've have gone. Yeah. I always say, like, she should've choose

57:28

her battles wisely. Like, this is not a

57:30

moment for me. Mhmm. Right. Right.

57:32

So speaking of girls

57:35

that you may or may not be close with, who were

57:37

who were some of your best friends in the house?

57:42

Yeah. I like I

57:44

said, we had a a phenomenal cast,

57:46

like and I don't say that lightly. Like, a lot

57:48

of the girls and almost all of them, like, I was

57:50

extremely close with. But

57:52

you'll see, like, there is a fee

57:54

that, like, I'm just, like, alright. I think after

57:56

last week's episode,

57:58

like, Brooklyn.

57:59

Well, like, she is a rider. Like, she

58:02

is very protective, but also has

58:04

this very, like, sweet side, and I really

58:06

like just connected with that. I was thank you so

58:08

much for, like, standing up for me. Like, I appreciated

58:10

that. Kylie, like, she's

58:12

incredibly, like, sweet. Ariel,

58:16

me and her have, like, some of the best conversations,

58:18

but she's also very funny. Mhmm. And then

58:21

Katie. So Katie is just so so down

58:23

the earth, easy to get along

58:25

with. So those are the few of the ones

58:27

that, like, really stood out. I know

58:29

that you mentioned So, like, you can

58:31

see that you and Brooklyn are really close.

58:33

Mhmm. And I'm sure that you guys

58:35

really have had so many conversations

58:37

supporting each other as you --

58:39

Yeah. -- navigate through this really, really

58:41

weird weird weird world. Mhmm.

58:43

How how was it honestly seeing

58:45

and hearing how she opened up act just about everything

58:48

that she's been through. Yeah.

58:51

Me and her really, like, talked a lot

58:53

about that, which it's so it's so

58:55

weird because it's like these are the people that were,

58:57

like, going against or, like,

58:59

dating the same person and

59:02

it's really hard, but I we'll

59:04

say, like, I felt like I, personally, get a phenomenal

59:06

job of, like, just separating the two in

59:08

compartmentalizing, like, okay. They're

59:11

dating the same guy, but also, like, I'm also

59:13

forming friendships, so, like, in a weird way.

59:16

And so at any point,

59:18

like, usually whenever the girls talked about

59:21

it. But, like, from a Brooklyn standpoint,

59:23

like, it was always just, like, out of, like, genuineness

59:25

that she was, like, bringing something up to me or talking

59:27

about certain things that she wanna talk about with

59:29

him or what happened in her her

59:31

life. I always met her there

59:33

with, like, grace. And so me

59:36

and her

59:37

just, like, really just depends, like, a really special

59:39

bond. And so yeah.

59:42

I don't

59:42

know if that answers the question. Did

59:43

this No. Totally answer the question. Yeah.

59:45

Yeah. Yep. Yep. I think and

59:48

I think you said it best. Like and no one

59:50

unless you're really on the show going through it, I

59:52

don't think -- Mhmm. -- people can really understand

59:56

like, that compartmentalization where

59:58

it's, like, these are, like, you are forming

1:00:00

some lifelong friendships, and you're getting really

1:00:02

close with these people. I mean, you're spending ten

1:00:05

times more time than you are with

1:00:07

SAP. Right? So it makes sense that you would get

1:00:09

close. And so, like, to and

1:00:12

and knowing her pass and anyone's pass,

1:00:14

like, knowing how important that is, like, if she were

1:00:16

to be the one to end up with Zach, of course,

1:00:18

these are conversations that have to be had. So I think

1:00:20

it's really good that you had each other to lean

1:00:22

on for support because I can't imagine her

1:00:25

sharing that would have been easy. I mean,

1:00:27

this not only was Zach, but looks bad. It's, like, with

1:00:29

half of America that's probably watching this.

1:00:31

You're right. The world. Exactly.

1:00:33

Yeah. Did you feel like besides Brooklyn,

1:00:35

you were able to get a lot of support from the

1:00:37

other women, like, reciprocated to you as well?

1:00:40

It's one hundred percent. That's why, like,

1:00:42

I think we all were so close to season. It's

1:00:44

just, like, everyone is genuinely, like,

1:00:47

so supportive of one another. And

1:00:50

we just I think we're all, like,

1:00:53

selfishly, like, in a way, like, rooting

1:00:55

for ourselves, but also, like, other girls

1:00:58

too, which is, like said, it's a weird

1:01:00

distinction to make. But

1:01:02

we I definitely have that support from a

1:01:04

lot of the girls in the house. Mhmm. Well,

1:01:06

we love for that, and we can -- Yeah. -- see everything

1:01:09

that flows through your side amazing. Mhmm.

1:01:11

And, of course, because of all this,

1:01:13

we're not shocked that you received a

1:01:15

rose this week. And then you learned that you

1:01:18

guys are going to London Like,

1:01:21

I had you been

1:01:22

there. How excited were you? Have you been

1:01:24

so excited when he said Wondery.

1:01:26

I was like, oh my goodness. Because I

1:01:28

was actually gonna get Wondery, I think

1:01:30

before I came on the show, like, this past

1:01:33

summer, but, like, I just ended up not going.

1:01:35

So I was, like, okay. This is, like, also on my, like,

1:01:37

bucket list to go. So I was, like, really excited.

1:01:40

Never been before, so had no

1:01:42

idea what was gonna be in

1:01:44

store, but I genuinely

1:01:47

was like feeling all the emotions when he

1:01:49

said. Alright. We're going to London. I was like, heck yeah.

1:01:51

How fun. I feel like this season,

1:01:54

you guys are getting some really good

1:01:56

city and world countries. Cities and and the

1:01:58

whole country is like, right away.

1:02:01

I feel like usually we live in the mansion

1:02:03

for, like, three ish weeks, and then we start

1:02:05

probably then it's usually, like, for the most

1:02:07

part domestic, and then you go international Oh,

1:02:10

damn. They're going international. Right away. No.

1:02:12

We hit the girls running really right on.

1:02:15

Right. Damn. Well,

1:02:18

we're so excited to see what's to come

1:02:20

obviously in London and beyond that.

1:02:22

And and, I mean, Michelle and

1:02:24

I obviously love you and

1:02:27

manifesting that you go very far, so we

1:02:29

can't wait to see what happens between you and

1:02:31

Zach. Without giving too much away,

1:02:33

can you give us a little teaser of what's

1:02:35

to come.

1:02:38

Yeah, there's going to be a lot of emotions.

1:02:42

A lot of emotions. And

1:02:47

without too many teasers, I mean,

1:02:49

we're going to Wondery, so it's gonna

1:02:51

be a little Chile. So maybe

1:02:53

that's, like, alluding to some

1:02:55

things. Oh. Yeah. This is

1:02:57

a good

1:02:57

teaser. Oh, yeah. So that's gonna allude

1:02:59

to, like, multiple. I'm, like, taking this all kinds

1:03:01

of the way. Now. Uh-huh. So Because you're

1:03:03

already get cozy or does it get chilly

1:03:05

with

1:03:06

the drama? Does that make sense? It

1:03:09

might be better. It might be better.

1:03:12

Sounds like it's all we love. Sounds like

1:03:14

a teaser. I'm I'm That was, like,

1:03:16

the best teaser we've had. Yeah. Usually,

1:03:18

like, leave it out. You're like, it's unique.

1:03:20

It's unique. It's unique. It's very

1:03:23

unique. It's awesome. Right?

1:03:25

But okay. So I have to ask this. I've

1:03:27

been wanting to ask this from the start, but Mhmm.

1:03:31

-- if the opportunity were

1:03:34

to be presented to you, Mhmm.

1:03:37

We want you to be the best

1:03:39

rep. But if it was presented

1:03:41

to you, would you accept? I

1:03:45

think I would. Yeah.

1:03:48

I mean, I think it takes a very

1:03:50

special person to be

1:03:53

in kind of the driver's seat of

1:03:55

something like this. And

1:03:57

I think for me, like, I think you guys obviously

1:03:59

can see my car and see, like, how Adam

1:04:01

and I am about

1:04:04

my journey. And so I feel like,

1:04:06

you know, if

1:04:08

it was to happen,

1:04:11

it it could be a good thing. So, yeah,

1:04:13

I would I would be open. Hey, like

1:04:15

you said, Jesus. Jesus. Who

1:04:18

sing who sings the song Jesus takes

1:04:20

the

1:04:20

wheel. Because I'm so scared. I'm

1:04:23

so scared. I'm so scared. You take

1:04:25

the wheel.

1:04:28

I don't feel real comfortable then. We

1:04:30

are manifesting this. Oh, yeah.

1:04:32

I'm sure we

1:04:34

we truly are. Which we are. It's been such

1:04:36

a joy talking to you. Like I

1:04:38

said, we have fought for you to get on this podcast

1:04:40

for so damn long. Happy.

1:04:42

I'm And it's been

1:04:43

it's been so much fun just getting to know you

1:04:45

and we we can't wait to continue to see us

1:04:47

on our screens and we do

1:04:50

want to play a quick game with you so

1:04:52

that our listeners can get to know you

1:04:54

about a little bit more. And it's called

1:04:56

rapid fire. And so I'm going

1:04:58

to shoot a question to you

1:05:00

and you're gonna give, like, a one word response

1:05:02

or a brief response on your time

1:05:05

to give any explanation and it'll just, like,

1:05:07

be super up tempo. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Are

1:05:10

you an early riser or a night owl?

1:05:12

Definitely night owl. We are up.

1:05:16

What is the best saving advice you've ever

1:05:18

received? I

1:05:20

will have to say love yourself first. Yeah.

1:05:23

Putting yeah. It's not selfish to love yourself

1:05:25

first at all. That was deep.

1:05:27

We're gonna swing gears with. Now, what

1:05:29

is what is your go to pizza order? The

1:05:32

Kevin McAllister special is cheese.

1:05:35

I love

1:05:35

it. Just I know that's playing.

1:05:37

But, like I bet I love cheese pizza

1:05:39

kicks. So it's I

1:05:42

I get it girl. Okay. You're wrong.

1:05:44

Give us one word that your best friends

1:05:46

would use to describe you.

1:05:50

I think they would say authentic. Like, purity's real.

1:05:52

Like, she's just real. I get that.

1:05:54

Your favorite curse word. Probably

1:05:57

fuck. Yeah.

1:05:59

Oh my god. Everyone always

1:06:01

pauses. They're like can I curse on this?

1:06:03

Yes. No. I'm not thinking twice. It's

1:06:06

so bad for that. Probably.

1:06:08

That's that's the straight

1:06:10

TikTok right now. Okay.

1:06:15

What is the most played song

1:06:17

or artist in your library?

1:06:20

I'm a Drake girl.

1:06:22

Mhmm. Get out of

1:06:24

love love toxic. Maybe about love Drake.

1:06:26

So Yeah. Okay.

1:06:28

Alright then. Good day, Rick cocktail.

1:06:32

I'm a French seventy five girl, which is

1:06:35

a gin and champagne and lemon juice, but

1:06:37

I sometimes switch out the gin, and

1:06:39

we'll, like, add tequila. So

1:06:42

Oh. Tequila. Yeah. I don't

1:06:44

have no

1:06:44

hesitation with that one, so real

1:06:46

quick. I know I guess. Well,

1:06:48

I'm gonna have I'm gonna have to send you some of my

1:06:50

sparkling wine, bordeaux, just

1:06:53

so you can try it in this cocktail. I

1:06:55

actually used to make it all the time.

1:06:57

Like, I shouldn't even admit that. But, like, I went through

1:06:59

a phase where that's all I would drink, like, back

1:07:01

in April. I was a success. I was like, I gotta

1:07:04

cut this out a little bit, but Oh my goodness.

1:07:06

It is a good one. It is.

1:07:08

If you could be any animal, what would

1:07:10

it be? A

1:07:13

cheetah. They're giving, like, fears,

1:07:16

but, like,

1:07:18

not not doing too much, like, a bonus, like, a subtle

1:07:20

bonus, I guess. Yeah. So that's

1:07:22

fine.

1:07:22

Like, I'll work for it if I have to. But until

1:07:25

-- Right. -- exactly exactly.

1:07:27

You love. What is

1:07:29

the current screen saver on your phone?

1:07:33

It

1:07:33

is me and my best friend. I'll show you guys.

1:07:36

We're just such little I don't know if you guys

1:07:38

can see it. Oh, Kimmy.

1:07:40

Yeah. We love it. Bestie.

1:07:42

What's her name? Bestie, Hi,

1:07:45

Karina. Shout out to you girl. Okay.

1:07:47

Besides London, if you could visit one place

1:07:49

in the world, where would you go? I

1:07:51

thought I'm the only person who has not

1:07:53

been

1:07:54

here,

1:07:54

but Santraini Greece. So beautiful.

1:07:57

I haven't been.

1:07:58

Okay. I haven't even yes. Okay.

1:08:01

Girls girls are lot of yay.

1:08:03

That's

1:08:03

what lot of people have. But I need to go

1:08:05

there immediately. Love

1:08:07

that. Mhmm.

1:08:09

If you had to describe this season of the

1:08:11

bachelor in one word or phrase,

1:08:13

what would it eat? I

1:08:18

will say, sentimental, and

1:08:21

that it's not like a sad like, sentimental

1:08:23

can be anything, but I think for, like, both

1:08:26

the contestants and, like, with

1:08:28

Zach, like, you'll see there's just a lot of

1:08:30

a lot of emotions that are gonna

1:08:33

be involved. Alright.

1:08:35

Well, you have us hooked. We can't wait to see

1:08:37

more of you Okay. So this is the last

1:08:39

part, and we always love to share resources

1:08:42

with our listeners. So just important

1:08:44

information or topics or hence,

1:08:46

the name, a resource that people can go to to

1:08:49

learn more about especially diversity.

1:08:51

We think it's so important to just know more within

1:08:53

this franchise. So I'll

1:08:56

just start. Michelle can take it after that, and

1:08:58

then we'll wrap with you. And then after

1:09:00

that, we'll get into our fun little rose and thorn, which

1:09:02

I'll describe to you. But So

1:09:05

my resource, it was actually something different,

1:09:07

but I switched after re

1:09:09

we kinda gave me some info during the Super

1:09:11

Bowl. And we all know

1:09:13

that well, Michelle, you definitely know.

1:09:17

You have fenty products, but I figured

1:09:20

it would be a good time to share

1:09:22

some black owned beauty businesses just

1:09:24

because it is a black history month.

1:09:26

So I'm gonna I have a quick list. The

1:09:29

first one I'm gonna start with, the name is pattern.

1:09:31

It's hair products. I actually

1:09:33

bought some of the products for Thomas for his

1:09:35

beautiful black curls that

1:09:38

he absolutely loves. So if you

1:09:40

need any good hair products, it's called pattern.

1:09:42

They still at Target too, which is not They do.

1:09:44

Yes. They do. And then a couple

1:09:47

other ones here. And I'll screenshot all of

1:09:49

these and link them all my highlights real and

1:09:51

and tag them so you can quickly go anyone

1:09:53

listening can go and look at them. Another

1:09:56

black owned beauty brand is called Juvia's

1:09:58

Place. There's also one called

1:10:00

Mented, which I have seen some of my girlfriends

1:10:02

use mother, my future mother-in-law

1:10:05

as well. And then the last one is

1:10:07

Miel. So I will link them and

1:10:09

tag them on my Instagram so anyone

1:10:11

can go check them out and know exactly

1:10:13

where to find them very easily.

1:10:17

Perfect. Alright. So last

1:10:19

week, I spoke a lot about just like

1:10:21

this one sheet that you can

1:10:23

go to with, like, really celebrating Black

1:10:25

History Month, the do's and the don'ts.

1:10:27

Mhmm. And and making sure

1:10:29

that it's not this, like, watered down version

1:10:32

and a big piece of at was making

1:10:34

sure that you're purchasing. This kinda goes

1:10:36

alongside of what Becca is saying. But purchasing products

1:10:39

that are coming directly from

1:10:41

a black owned business and not purchasing products

1:10:44

that are going through a white owned

1:10:46

business that is trying to represent black

1:10:48

owned products. And so -- Mhmm. -- what I

1:10:51

one would be really helpful this week is there

1:10:53

is a website called Black owned

1:10:55

map, and it's essentially this black marketplace

1:10:58

where you can type in what you're looking for, whether

1:11:00

hair products, beauty products, whether it's

1:11:03

other services that you need to get done,

1:11:05

and it will direct you to a list

1:11:08

of different all black owned businesses in

1:11:10

your area or that are close to you. And

1:11:12

so again, it's the black owned map,

1:11:14

and I will link it in my my

1:11:17

highlights and everything, but it's just a really easy

1:11:19

way that you can go through a filtered

1:11:22

and, like, credible source. Of being able

1:11:24

to actually locate those businesses that

1:11:26

we can support.

1:11:28

I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:11:30

Thank you, Michelle. And, Charity,

1:11:32

you are up if you have any source. Yes.

1:11:35

Saman is actually a

1:11:37

podcast, but Alex Ell. She's

1:11:39

a restorative writer and author,

1:11:41

and she has several books a lot

1:11:43

with, like, healing. But her

1:11:46

specific podcast with Libby

1:11:48

Delaney is called this morning walk,

1:11:50

and this podcast essentially focuses

1:11:52

on mindfulness practices and

1:11:55

the transformative power of how morning

1:11:58

walk can basically, like, set the tone for your

1:12:00

day. And so I'm a person who really

1:12:02

strives and tries to incorporate mindfulness

1:12:05

into my life, which is essentially just

1:12:07

being present and learning to kinda detach and

1:12:09

separate and living in the moment. And

1:12:11

so she has a lot of, like, different prompts

1:12:13

that are for each individual, like, morning

1:12:16

podcast that that she kinda walks you through, but

1:12:18

then also teaches you different types of breath

1:12:20

work. Just good for, like, breathing

1:12:23

and keeping you calm. And so

1:12:26

good tranquility here, but I love

1:12:28

her, I adore her work. And so

1:12:30

that's just a good podcast if

1:12:32

you're looking to kind of incorporate that or

1:12:34

struggle with trying to find time to

1:12:36

practice

1:12:37

mindfulness. So

1:12:38

Amazing. Well, thank you. I'm gonna check

1:12:40

that out because I could use anything to

1:12:42

help my stress levels. I think

1:12:44

that's and you probably I'm assuming you use a lot

1:12:46

of those techniques on the

1:12:48

season. I can imagine. Oh,

1:12:51

you start you start in early. So that's that's smart.

1:12:54

We'll definitely see you close.

1:12:56

Well, Charity, before we let you go, we

1:12:58

have the fun part which is the rose and

1:13:00

the thorns. So from your time

1:13:03

so far on

1:13:05

on filming, Zach season, or even just watching

1:13:07

it back, everything that we've seen, what has been your

1:13:09

rose,

1:13:10

which is your

1:13:10

highlight, and then Thorne could be, like,

1:13:13

a cringey moment and awkward moment, something

1:13:15

that you're like, I could have lived without that time.

1:13:19

Yeah. I will say

1:13:21

the rows will have to be the

1:13:23

Bahamas group day. was truly thriving.

1:13:29

And I will say my

1:13:31

thorn this is

1:13:33

like tricky. So I'm like, I

1:13:35

feel like there's different

1:13:38

Wondery. But I will have to say

1:13:40

for me saying goodbye to

1:13:42

the girls, like, it's never easy. And I don't

1:13:44

think, like, that even, like, changes no matter,

1:13:47

like, your relationship dynamic. It's just like we spend

1:13:49

so much time with each

1:13:50

other, so it's still hard nonetheless. And

1:13:52

so --

1:13:52

Mhmm. -- having to, like, say goodbye or

1:13:55

just living through another Rose ceremony.

1:13:57

Mhmm.

1:13:58

Yeah. So yeah. So that's like

1:14:01

yeah.

1:14:01

Well, it's in the grand scheme of things, I think

1:14:04

that's a good thought to have because it means,

1:14:05

like, establishing connections and and forming

1:14:07

those friendships, which is so important. So

1:14:10

Charity, we have absolutely

1:14:12

loved having you on. It was such

1:14:14

a pleasure. I really I mean, I can't wait

1:14:17

to see more of you on Zach's visit, but Michelle

1:14:19

and I are gonna fight hard for you for

1:14:21

the next season.

1:14:24

So this will not be the last you hear us.

1:14:26

Apologies to the demands. It's gonna be actually

1:14:28

charity for bad short from here on out

1:14:30

everyone. So just not deal with

1:14:32

it. Yeah. I

1:14:34

just signing on as a full time campaign.

1:14:36

Obviously, I love that. You're a smart

1:14:38

institution

1:14:39

now. I'm Michelle, and I support this message.

1:14:41

Or does that upgrade this message? Yes. Y'all

1:14:45

have been such a plus. It's honestly, like,

1:14:47

I'd never thought I would even have this moment

1:14:49

with you guys, so I'm so glad I

1:14:51

did, and y'all so fun, so sweet.

1:14:53

So thank you guys for letting me

1:14:56

join y'all. And also navigate,

1:14:58

always reach out, whatever you need. We got

1:15:00

you. Mhmm. We know it's a weird

1:15:02

world and a weird time with everything that is

1:15:04

a lot

1:15:05

happening. So -- Yeah. -- we're we're always

1:15:07

here for whatever you need. Yeah.

1:15:09

So

1:15:09

thank you guys. Thank you all.

1:15:13

I'm upset. I love her.

1:15:15

She she's just she's just got

1:15:18

it all. She's just she's the person you

1:15:20

want in the driver's spot.

1:15:22

Like, she just she's so

1:15:24

sweet. She's so thoughtful. Has

1:15:26

good head like, a really good head on her shoulders.

1:15:28

So I just I hope with whatever

1:15:31

happens in the future, I just hope that she's

1:15:33

happy. Yeah. She's the girl that you would

1:15:35

have wanted on the season with you. Like,

1:15:37

somebody that is fun, so

1:15:39

kind. You know she's a girl's girl so

1:15:41

she can kick at, but also -- Yep. Has

1:15:43

that level head where she can kind of keep you grounded

1:15:46

in the midst of the chaos. So I'm

1:15:48

a huge charity fan. You

1:15:51

know what I'm gonna say? I'll I will love to see her's

1:15:53

boat show at one day, so I'm gonna keep my fingers

1:15:55

crossed over here. But until

1:15:57

then, we still have more

1:15:59

than half a season. And so can't

1:16:02

wait to see where she goes in the next

1:16:04

few weeks. So thank you, Charity,

1:16:06

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