0:01

What's up happy hour listeners, I'm

0:04

Becca Kufrin, and I'm

0:06

Michelle Young. And we are excited

0:08

to be back you again this week getting

0:10

into the third episode of Bouchure. I

0:12

feel like we're already, like, flying through the season.

0:15

But I'm very excited to bring on our

0:17

guest Gabis

0:19

Yes. We're so excited. We're going

0:21

to be chatting with Gabby. Care all about

0:23

her journey. It was a slow start,

0:25

but now she's coming in hot talking about

0:27

the bad circle and her connection with

0:30

Zach. But first before we bring her

0:31

on, Becca, I feel like I haven't seen

0:34

you in a minute are you doing? Phyllis in.

0:36

I know. I feel like you've been traveling

0:39

all I'm like, I don't even know where Michelle is these

0:41

days because you are bounds

0:43

in between states, but I'm good.

0:45

I have been traveling a little

0:47

bit to this past week and

0:50

I still have more upcoming travels for

0:52

some really fun stuff that we will

0:54

soon be announcing. So

0:56

stay tuned next week probably be able

0:59

to talk about it little bit more on the podcast.

1:01

But, yeah, some really fun things in

1:03

the works and yeah,

1:05

I was traveling this past weekend for my wine

1:08

line at some events which was so so

1:10

fun. So, yeah, life's going good.

1:12

I feel like we're starting to, like, kinda pick up this

1:14

new year and bounce around and just

1:16

get

1:16

going. How are you? Okay. I

1:19

love that. I'm so excited to now hear

1:21

what you're gonna be bringing up. I'll

1:23

definitely be checking back in to speak with that

1:25

one. Yeah. But for me, things

1:27

have been good. I think every time I hop

1:29

on a bachelor happy hour, I'm in a different state.

1:32

Right now coming from Arizona, so I'm

1:34

gonna be here for some

1:36

Super Bowl

1:36

activities. And you said that you're gonna be in

1:38

the area tomorrow. Right? Mhmm.

1:40

I'm also coming to Arizona. I feel

1:43

like just going back to you

1:45

being in a new state all the time. It's like where in

1:47

the world is Carmen Diego. That is

1:49

you. I'm like, we're in the Wondery.

1:51

Is Michelle Young these days? But,

1:53

yeah, we'll both be in Arizona for

1:57

different fun things. Mhmm. It's

1:59

it's I didn't even realize so, like,

2:01

you know, me. I don't watch sports. So

2:03

I just found out yesterday that the Super

2:06

Bowl is in Arizona. Also, the waste

2:08

management tournament is happening the same

2:10

time. So it is gonna be

2:12

crazy tough. And, I mean, you're

2:14

there early. Like, is it already starting

2:16

to get, like, super busy there?

2:19

Okay. So I'm right now I'm located,

2:22

like, in Old Scottsdale. So

2:24

the Super Bowl tailgate, everything

2:26

that's taking place is legitimately in my back

2:29

like, ten steps to the right. Mhmm.

2:31

And so it's pretty cool. And so last night,

2:33

one of my girlfriends and I were just walking around

2:36

and it's like a

2:38

ghost house but with everything starting

2:41

to be like set up. Mhmm. And so

2:43

I'm sure in the next a day or two, everything's

2:45

gonna start to get a little bit more lively,

2:48

but it's like this calm before the storm. But

2:50

it is gonna be fun like you said waste management's

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2:52

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Well, it's always so fun. Let's

5:01

get into the episode really quick before

5:03

Gabby hops on. What

5:05

were your overall thoughts on

5:07

this week three and, like, do you have

5:09

any predictions? I know I asked you this

5:11

last week of, like, any standouts or people that

5:13

you

5:13

think, like, are gonna make it through till

5:15

the end. I can't even

5:17

remember what I responded with or who I

5:19

responded with last week because I do feel

5:21

like it changes so quickly.

5:24

Like, there is that's just how bachelor

5:26

world works. When you're in it and

5:28

when you're watching it, one minute you can absolutely,

5:30

like, yeah, this is the person and then

5:32

completely get flipped around. But I'll

5:35

say that charity I

5:37

feel like charity is just so genuine

5:39

She's like she's gonna make it so far. She's

5:42

like my number one right now. She's

5:44

who I want to make it to

5:46

the end. But if

5:48

she doesn't end up with

5:50

Zach -- Or if that's

5:51

alright. -- if

5:52

it's not the

5:52

right fit, that's my big. That's

5:53

alright. Yeah.

5:54

I'm calling it now. Yeah. And I'm

5:56

not calling it in a sense of, like, I'm predicting

5:58

it. No. She needs to be the

6:00

bachelorette. Like, I'm nominating her.

6:03

Yes. I stand by

6:05

that. I really enjoy

6:07

her. And on and this week

6:09

when I was so happy she got that group

6:11

date rose. But then when Christina kind

6:13

of stole that

6:14

moment, I was like, nobody makes my

6:16

baby cry. I was

6:18

I haven't seen it. Guard

6:20

dog, like, mom, a bear mentality for

6:22

her where I was like, that is not okay.

6:24

And so, yeah,

6:26

I agree though. I she's really standing

6:28

out to me I'm trying to think of who else

6:31

right

6:31

now. I mean, like, just

6:33

one off of dates, I think

6:35

he's very into Cady. I think that they

6:37

are both. Right. Fair they have, like,

6:39

a very similar mentality

6:42

and, like, way of doing

6:44

life. It seems like approaching commerce stations.

6:46

Like, they're very both, like, even keel.

6:49

It's, like, very chill

6:52

kinda calm, like, very similar

6:54

to mirrors. Right.

6:56

In a genuine

6:57

way. Yeah. Katie, I think just

7:00

like, Katie seems like chill and fun and, like,

7:02

honestly It sounds like just

7:04

as a viewer, I feel like if Katie and

7:06

Zach were to meet out at a bar away

7:08

from this television show, they would

7:10

actually hit it off. And, like,

7:13

be interested in one another and wanna pursue one

7:15

another. It just seems like that kind

7:17

of fit a hundred

7:18

percent. Okay. I have to jump back and ask

7:20

you this question. At the beginning of the

7:22

episode, there was this

7:24

quick overnight. Yes.

7:27

What were what was it? What were your thoughts when

7:29

you're watching that? Because when I was watching this, I

7:31

was like, if I was on the day, it'd be like,

7:33

that's amazing. But then back

7:35

home, what a way to just

7:37

totally get a massive mind fuck

7:39

already so early in the

7:40

process. I would have been pissed. I

7:42

will

7:42

say hard.

7:44

I would

7:45

have died for that

7:47

date at the museum. I

7:49

-- Yeah. -- would have loved it.

7:51

Do you did you throw back

7:53

to old school books and movies?

7:55

Did you ever watch or read the

7:58

night. I mean, you said, no. Like, the mix

8:00

of files of Bazley, Frank Wyler?

8:02

I have no idea what that is. I've never

8:04

heard of that. Wait. What's a mixed

8:06

up file. Something Masley, Frank Butler. Okay.

8:09

If please DM

8:11

me, if you know what I'm talking about, it was a

8:13

book. They made it into a movie and it's basically

8:15

about this brother and sister who

8:17

run away from home, they go and live

8:19

in this museum for a while. They,

8:21

like, sleep in Marie Antoinette's bed,

8:23

and they, like, have to bathe in the fountains

8:25

that are there. Oh, it was like one of my

8:27

favorites. My sister and I would go to the

8:29

library and rent it all the time.

8:31

But that is what I'm picturing when they had this

8:33

state. I was like, this is my childhood

8:35

dream. I would have loved

8:37

this date. Yeah. And honestly, like,

8:39

this sleepover part, here's what I'm

8:41

thinking. And maybe it's just because I know, like, the ins

8:43

and outs. They probably got thirty

8:45

seven minutes of sleep. Like, they probably

8:47

filmed for so long production

8:49

is

8:49

probably, like, okay, take a little nap,

8:52

and we gotta get back to the house at, like, eight AM.

8:54

Like, they probably think they actually got any

8:56

but, like Right. Because but like, in Fantasy

8:58

Fantasy suites, like, you really don't sleep

9:00

that much. What I'm curious about

9:02

though is, like, do you

9:04

think they actually got any off camera

9:06

time together like you do in Fantasy

9:08

Suites. I'm sure

9:09

they got a little bit. I'm sure

9:11

they did just because, like,

9:14

That's

9:14

good. It's like their crew needs to sleep and take

9:17

breaks too. Right. So I

9:18

really don't think like, I don't and I don't

9:20

think it was, like, long. And I'm sure there's people, like,

9:22

kind of, around still outside of the

9:24

tent. But I don't think so

9:26

creepy. I don't think they were, like,

9:29

somebody was in their tent with them the entire

9:31

time. But -- Yeah. Okay.

9:33

But I also wanna ask you about one more

9:35

thing too. So you mentioned problematic

9:37

behavior. So we need to just bring up

9:39

this really quick before hops

9:41

on, but the whole Christina sit

9:44

situation

9:44

between not only Brianna, but some of the

9:46

other girls, we

9:49

see, like, little comments throughout the

9:51

episode, like, little digs,

9:53

little I think just

9:55

moments that she gets under people's

9:57

skin. Mhmm. What were your thoughts on

9:59

that. And were you surprised that Zach actually

10:01

ended up sending her home when he did

10:02

and, like, didn't just keep her around another week to

10:04

see what would happen? Yeah. I

10:07

honestly you and I had kinda spoken about

10:09

how we had thought or we

10:11

thought Christina was just, you know, like,

10:13

gonna be this. She's funny.

10:15

She's the one talking about all

10:17

these things with the off

10:19

camera, like, shots or not off

10:21

camera, but she's she's one that was in

10:23

the bloopers or just, like, the little after

10:25

conversations once the credits roll. Right?

10:27

Like, that's where we really saw a lot of

10:29

personality. But I will

10:31

say that after this last

10:33

episode, it very much comes off as,

10:35

like, read the room. Like, let's be considered about

10:37

other people's feelings.

10:38

Uh-huh. And so It's

10:40

already

10:40

uncomfortable. You have to talk about different

10:42

details of the date. Like, that's how the show

10:44

works. It's really awkward as

10:46

it

10:46

is. And a lot of times, I can see that there's

10:49

almost oversharing where it's

10:51

You you can answer a

10:53

question, but you also don't have continuously

10:56

bring your, like,

10:58

relationship to the forefront and wave it

11:00

around in everybody's face. And that's

11:02

what I point I felt like was being done.

11:04

Mhmm. And so for

11:07

me, I'm like, yeah, I I don't

11:09

like that. It's -- Mhmm. -- it's it gets

11:11

old. It's uncomfortable. And

11:14

even that whole situation where charity

11:16

got this group date rose, and

11:18

then the whole moment was completely

11:20

just wiped wiped out, you know, where

11:22

she she expected everybody's support when

11:24

she came home from meeting

11:26

Zach's family on the one on Wondery, and

11:28

she the girl supported her and listened to her

11:30

and for her to then take

11:33

someone out after they get a group date, Rose.

11:35

It's like, you can't

11:37

ask people to support you,

11:39

and then you come and

11:41

pull this moment away from somebody else.

11:43

Mhmm. I I didn't like it.

11:45

I didn't Yeah. That's not how I roll. So I was

11:47

happy to see that Zach's in our home, but

11:49

I also will say that Zach

11:52

really is eliminating

11:55

anybody who's problematic or if

11:57

he really doesn't see a future,

11:59

he seems to have a strong gut

12:01

reading. Yeah. And and I hope to let him

12:03

go pretty early on, which is

12:04

-- Yeah. -- he's decisive. I will say, like, I

12:06

actually appreciated that because -- Mhmm. --

12:08

I was like, we don't need to keep her around.

12:10

Especially if, like, you know it's not just a one time

12:12

instance, it's not just with one person, it's with

12:14

multiple. I I

12:16

totally respect that decision. And

12:19

also, like, I think the thing that really rubbed me the

12:21

wrong way was the whole charity situation where she's

12:23

like, that's weird. I don't understand

12:25

it. I wanted to go through the screaming. It's

12:27

not for you to understand. Like,

12:29

this is Zach's journey. He's

12:31

the one here trying to find somebody. And

12:33

if he she's not seen these other

12:35

conversations with other

12:36

women, so you don't

12:37

have to understand it, but you don't have to take

12:39

away and shine such a negative

12:41

light to somebody else. Like, let

12:43

that girl have this moment.

12:45

Like, it's very fleeting in this voucher world

12:47

because so many other group dates come out and

12:49

it's just there's so much transition that

12:51

I was like, let let her just appreciate

12:53

it and just close your mouth. At some

12:55

points, like, things are funny, and it's okay to

12:57

be loud and boisterous, but there are also

12:59

times. We're just like you said, read the

13:01

room, take a step back, and

13:03

just But, you know, actually, I that's

13:05

why I'm excited to bring Gabby on because she

13:08

lived without everyone. She witnessed all of this.

13:11

So I do want to just pick her brain and see

13:13

kind of

13:13

Not that there was size, but just kind of see, like,

13:16

her take on things, and if it did

13:18

seem as heightened as

13:20

it was, like, during that pool party. So

13:22

I think with that, we should just

13:24

bring Gabby on right now.

13:26

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welcome to happy

15:19

hour. Obviously, this is your first time

15:21

hopping on here. Have you done any other podcast before?

15:24

I've never done a

15:25

podcast, so thank you for

15:26

having me. I apologize if I have any

15:29

nervous shitters. But I'm

15:30

super excited. Don't be nervous about that. And

15:32

for the girls chat, it's totally girl chat. But

15:34

for those who are listening, can't see this right

15:36

now. Gabis is in the

15:38

middle of her workday. And she's in her

15:40

office. Correct? I love this

15:42

though. I love a Focus Queen.

15:44

That's amazing.

15:46

Yep. The the grind doesn't stop.

15:48

So here we are. She came in

15:50

hot professional with the

15:51

blazer. We love a good blazer. Or look.

15:54

It sure does.

15:55

So just to start, Gavin, catch us

15:58

up on how you're doing, how has

16:00

it been watching yourself

16:02

back on

16:02

TV? I'm sure it's kind of weird and

16:04

unsettling at times. Yeah.

16:07

It's it's been

16:09

kind of funny. I remember how I

16:11

felt like in North can relate to this. Like, how

16:13

you feel in the moment versus

16:15

watching it on TV all back?

16:17

He, like, it's totally

16:19

different. But it's

16:21

kind of funny. I I've been watching

16:23

with my close friends and they just kinda

16:25

chuckle at me and they're like, gau, you're

16:27

being so yourself. And I'm like, well,

16:30

that's that's all you can be. So, I

16:32

mean, it's been really positive, at least

16:34

for me and my experience so far. So

16:36

it's been been

16:37

weird, but exciting.

16:38

Mhmm. I think that's one of the best

16:41

things though is a lot of

16:43

people get negative reactions,

16:45

like, internal negative reactions,

16:47

watching it back because the camera can

16:49

kinda be or the show can kinda be a mirror

16:51

sometimes. And if you lose your way while you're

16:53

there, and you're not yourself, then you when

16:55

you're watching it back, you're, like, almost not

16:58

necessarily cringing. Right? But you're, like,

17:00

uncomfortable, whereas I love that

17:02

hearing that your friends and just like the people

17:04

around doing you yourself are

17:04

like, okay, I'm totally I was totally a hundred

17:07

percent myself.

17:08

Yeah. I I didn't wanna have any

17:10

regrets and, you

17:12

know, it felt weird

17:13

up person. It took me a long time

17:16

to, like, not a long time. A

17:18

long time batch a role to get used

17:20

to the cameras being around.

17:22

And I think that you can

17:24

really see that. And I know

17:26

like it's kinda, like, people are

17:28

joking on the Internet. Like, yeah, we had a

17:30

comeback in the last episode,

17:32

but it it took an

17:34

adjustment for me to,

17:36

like, be okay with the cameras there. And, like,

17:38

I would still be myself, but

17:40

it was a lot of stimulation and

17:42

it was a lot

17:45

to handle and to process and to, like, regulate

17:47

all my emotions. It was

17:49

a learning curve in a really weird

17:51

way, but I feel like every side

17:53

that people saw. People are, like, probably, like, gabbies

17:56

all over the

17:56

place. Yes, I am. But he's

17:59

with all these tone.

18:01

But it's real with it. Yeah.

18:03

And and, like, I I'm I

18:05

can understand the cameras and

18:07

just like the crew being around because it's a lot

18:09

of people. And like, it it's not until you step out of

18:11

the limo that night one where you're like, holy

18:14

shit. Like, I did not know what I was signing

18:16

up for. But not only that, like,

18:18

also living with twenty,

18:21

thirty girls is a lot

18:23

to so many different personalities. It's

18:25

hard at times, like, especially right away

18:27

to even speak and,

18:30

like, feel like you have a moment when there's

18:32

so much going on. So I'm

18:34

sure that had a plane too

18:36

where there's just like so many people, so

18:38

many personalities, and, of course, like, trying

18:40

to fight for the same guy. So I

18:42

wanna know though, like, getting

18:44

on to Zach season, were you a fan

18:46

of the show before for how did you get

18:47

cast? Like, what was that process for

18:50

you? Yeah. So

18:52

before I went on the show, I

18:55

actually had gone through a pretty bad

18:56

breakup. I dated this guy for a

18:58

few years. And it

19:02

was

19:02

just it wasn't the most healthy

19:05

relationship. And so the

19:07

breakup was really hard on

19:09

me. I felt like

19:11

I had invested a lot of my time and effort and

19:13

energy into it. And coming

19:16

out of it, I was heartbroken

19:18

Wondery friends saw me

19:20

like that and they were like, yeah, you have so much to give.

19:23

So they all nominated me

19:25

to go on the show. They're like,

19:27

you'll be perfect for this. You

19:29

have to, like, just at least try and I was like,

19:31

okay, I'm not sure. But I spent

19:33

a lot of time investing in therapy

19:36

and investing in myself and

19:39

healing and it's obviously a healing

19:41

journey. It's not, you know, all of a sudden

19:43

you're healed, but I

19:45

knew what I wanted and I

19:47

was able to really just to

19:49

therapy of, like, what did worthwhile love

19:51

look like to me? And

19:54

obviously, trying to find out

19:56

my myself didn't really work out. And so

19:59

I I went on the show. I didn't

20:01

I'd watch a few seasons, but I didn't I'm

20:04

not like die hard bachelor

20:06

fan, but my sister loved the

20:08

bachelor. She always would watch with my grandma, which

20:10

is really funny. So

20:12

she was very supportive

20:15

of me going on the show, and she was like, Gabby, you

20:17

just you gotta do it. Mhmm. And so I

20:19

was doubling nervous because I had

20:21

been so heartbroken. But,

20:23

you know, like, you

20:25

you can't just stop trying in

20:27

life. So I put myself out there,

20:29

couldn't

20:29

believe it when I got the call, like, hey, we want you to

20:32

be on the shows like, wait, what? I

20:34

wasn't expecting

20:35

that. But I'm so so grateful

20:38

that I that I went through with it.

20:40

Mhmm. Well, we're incredibly happy that

20:42

you also said yes because

20:44

then we can get to watch you on screens

20:46

every week. So you get here,

20:48

you get to the Vaster Mansion,

20:50

it's night one taking it

20:52

from the top, You exit the

20:55

limo and you

20:57

hand the Zach Maple syrup.

21:00

Mhmm.

21:00

Yes. I I thought it's going

21:03

differently in my head. First

21:05

thing for

21:06

okay. Wait. Take us from

21:07

the what what how did you want it

21:09

to go? Or how did you see it in your head first?

21:12

Well, I consider myself kinda

21:15

like Buddy the elf if you guys have seen

21:17

that movie, I would assume. Yeah.

21:19

And, you know, surf is one of the

21:21

four main groups. And

21:23

as a Vermont her, like,

21:25

my favorite thing to do is, like, take

21:27

my friends who visit me to,

21:29

like, maybe serve farm and

21:31

have them child the stir ups and, like, as a child growing

21:33

up, going to the maple syrup farm and

21:35

tasting the stir ups is, like, my favorite thing

21:37

to do. And I

21:40

just felt like it was like a piece of home

21:42

with me, and it's so

21:44

sweet and delicious. I was

21:46

not expecting him to not

21:48

like it, but I thought he was gonna

21:50

throw

21:50

up. Honestly, I was

21:53

I think you can hear me say, like, I didn't

21:55

like that face. He did not

21:57

like it. So Does he not, like,

22:00

pancakes or waffles? Like, does he

22:02

eat them plain? Because I'm thinking, like

22:05

Like, coleslaw's not that,

22:07

like, not polarizing a thing

22:09

to drink. Like, if we're talking about,

22:10

like, taking shots of something, you'd

22:12

think that would be damn tolerable. I'm

22:14

like, I didn't give you alcohol. Like, I feel

22:16

like this is, like, the win here.

22:19

But no, the preference, I guess,

22:21

for people who aren't from, you

22:24

know, Canada or

22:26

Vermont it's fake maple

22:26

syrup. So yeah. That

22:29

was really disgusting. Oh,

22:31

so okay. Wow. Well, so

22:33

do you feel like you should have brought

22:36

something for him to put the syrup

22:37

on. Right. Like, there's

22:39

an ellipse.

22:41

Yeah. No. I should just put it all

22:43

over me and like yours. Here you go. Look it

22:45

off here. Look it like it out.

22:47

Okay. So this man tries this syrup.

22:49

He doesn't like it. You're not really sure

22:51

how it goes. You get in

22:54

to the the whole night

22:57

one and you

22:59

didn't get to talk to

23:00

him. Were you like holy shit? I'm going home

23:02

because of maple syrup? Or

23:04

what, like

23:05

honestly, when your Maple syrup maybe

23:08

was what might save me because I was

23:10

like, well, he didn't like it, but he

23:12

probably remembers

23:13

it. So At least we have

23:15

that. Mhmm.

23:16

So I didn't

23:17

get to talk to him, but I wasn't the only

23:19

one who didn't get to talk to him.

23:22

And, you

23:23

know, we had

23:25

a fluid conversation when I first got out

23:27

of the limmail. And I was like, you know what? That

23:29

was really easy. We spent like two

23:31

minutes standing there talking to one another. And I was like,

23:34

you know, some of these girls are only getting two

23:36

minutes. So maybe it's not the

23:38

end world. Maybe it's enough to

23:40

keep you around. But

23:42

it was definitely scary,

23:44

but I think you get to some point in the night and

23:46

you're like, it's so you

23:48

know, it's so late and I'm so

23:50

tired. And I remember I wore my

23:52

shoes all night long and they

23:55

were aggressively tall, like,

23:57

probably, like, six or so inches.

23:59

Holy crap. This

24:01

terrible idea. Mhmm. Not

24:03

smart on my part, but I wore

24:05

them all night. Just in case, I would get tense

24:07

to talk to him, didn't happen. Yeah.

24:10

It was it was stressful,

24:12

but I just kind of remained

24:15

hope

24:15

full, like, well, maybe he'll remember me from

24:17

the Maple syrup. Mhmm.

24:18

Shit. Who needs a energy drink? I you

24:21

got a sugar thing. True. C s.

24:23

We got Maple syrup. Okay. So

24:26

how did you feel then standing at that Rose

24:28

ceremony? Obviously, not being able to chat with him

24:30

besides that very first interaction. He does

24:32

call your name, you do get a

24:33

rose. What was that feeling like?

24:37

Wow. As you guys

24:39

probably saw, my reaction was like, oh,

24:41

like, wasn't expecting

24:42

that. And then I walked over

24:45

and, yeah, I

24:46

actually tried to grab the rose from

24:49

him. And that's

24:51

yeah. And then I was like, obviously, of

24:54

course. Yeah. So I was surprised.

24:56

I was surprised that, like, really eager really

24:59

excited. But

25:01

it was I knew I was

25:03

with, like, as in names, we're getting

25:06

called, there was other girls who hadn't

25:08

talked to them yet. So I was hopeful. I

25:10

was like, okay. Like, trying to do the math in my head.

25:12

I was like, okay. We have this many

25:14

roses. This many girls haven't spoken

25:16

to him. Okay. Now two girls have

25:18

been called, who haven't spoken to him. Does that lead? How many

25:20

girls I was, like, doing math in my head

25:22

that didn't make any sense at

25:24

all. But I was I was pleasantly surprised

25:26

when he called my name. Yeah. It

25:28

was

25:28

a key moment.

25:29

I I like your reaction. It

25:31

was

25:31

so just genuine. I Oh, that's like

25:34

her. I really

25:34

like that when she's coming up. Let's

25:37

quickly talk about last week because

25:40

you become one of the standouts for

25:42

sure. You you have this one on one time with Zach.

25:44

It was so sweet. And you seemed

25:47

like you were nervous and because you're

25:49

worried that it was coming off as like,

25:51

the show. But can you tell us

25:53

a little bit more of like that first one

25:55

on one combo, Zach?

25:57

Yeah. It

26:00

was a lot. I think, you

26:02

know, being the second group

26:05

date, you have that anticipation where

26:07

you're kind of waiting around

26:10

you're hearing like, okay, I've heard about

26:12

the one on I've heard about the group

26:14

date. We have two

26:16

reasons given out And

26:18

now it's finally our time to go

26:20

on our date with him. But it felt

26:22

like I was so behind

26:25

everyone else at that moment because

26:27

he had already had all these other

26:29

conversations. Right? That's like

26:31

thirteen, fourteen women he's had one on

26:33

one conversations with. Right. And so

26:35

I was like, I I don't know if I can catch up.

26:37

Like, they had the first night.

26:39

Now they've had these states.

26:42

And so I got a little bit

26:44

in my head to be honest with you. And

26:46

I I think the

26:49

environment, like I said earlier, it's very

26:51

over stimulating and I

26:54

I have ADHD, which I'm totally

26:56

comfortable talking about. And

26:58

I'm very aware of it,

27:00

but there's a lot of emotional

27:03

regulation that you have to, like,

27:05

work on and that's something I've been working on for years. But

27:07

when you're in an environment that's so

27:09

over stimulating, it can be really

27:11

able to find that regulation of your

27:13

emotions. And so for

27:16

me,

27:16

you know, finally getting the opportunity

27:18

to sit down and talk to him it's

27:20

late. I'm tired. You know, there's

27:23

a lot of comparison you're doing. There's

27:25

a lot of sensitivities you're feeling. And then

27:27

there's on top of that, there's

27:30

extractions of the environment just in

27:31

itself. And so,

27:33

you know, I had all these things I wanted and

27:36

probably talked to them about, and I came up

27:38

with nicknames. Don't

27:40

know where that came from. I do love

27:42

nicknames, and I give everyone nicknames.

27:45

But that's probably like more

27:47

it gives some context to the roller

27:49

coaster that people saw, like, my emotions.

27:51

And then the emotions that came

27:53

after that conversation of the, like,

27:56

sensitivity because

27:58

emotions that you really hard and really fast

28:00

when you're ADHD. And so a lot

28:02

of people maybe don't understand that or know that.

28:04

But I'm I'm comfortable talking

28:07

about that, but I think it does help

28:09

people like, okay, how did you

28:11

do Wondery hundred and eighty? You talk to him before the rose

28:13

ceremony because I figured out,

28:14

okay, what

28:15

do you need to do to regulate your emotions in

28:17

this kind of environment? I'm

28:19

so grateful that I have had the tools and

28:22

the therapy and the psychiatrists

28:24

to teach me those tools.

28:26

To be able to do that, but it was a lot

28:28

in the beginning. So that's a

28:30

very long winded answer for

28:32

you

28:32

all, but knowing. That's that's how it's

28:35

feeling. Yeah. It made it made a lot of

28:37

sense. I actually really appreciate you too

28:39

explaining that and just being vulnerable to

28:41

share that side of things because I think

28:43

that's perspective that a lot of

28:46

people who aren't dealing

28:47

with, you know, anything

28:49

or dealing with similar similar things

28:51

might not think of about and you learning curve

28:53

of just, like you said, the cameras, the

28:55

lack of sleep. Mhmm.

28:58

Just all the commotion that's

29:00

going on it would that adds

29:02

a whole different

29:02

layer. Yeah. But you did land on

29:05

Zachipu, and I feel like it's done.

29:07

Correct? I like that. Zachipu. I like it's

29:09

it's

29:09

cute. And

29:10

he didn't seem like he really liked it. And I

29:12

was like, come on, man. Like, this gives you some

29:14

edge. Like, it's cute. It's sweet.

29:17

It's endearing. Okay. So

29:19

I wanna then go into you just,

29:21

you know, like, obviously, it

29:23

was kind of a roller coaster that first conversation.

29:25

And I'm sure also too, like,

29:28

hearing how other conversations with the woman went.

29:30

Like, hearing if he kissed them or not plays

29:32

a huge role into that and kind of

29:34

like the comparison like, okay, feel behind

29:37

already. Maybe I'm getting more behind. But

29:39

you did turn it around because

29:41

the next time at that cocktail party

29:43

you. I loved this. The peanut butter cups was

29:45

so cute. A little lady in the tramp style

29:48

move. How did you

29:50

feel when you finally

29:51

had, like, the real conversation with him and then you got that

29:54

kiss. What was that like? It

29:57

was so

29:59

reassuring and, like, I was,

30:02

Like, I can take a deep breath. Like,

30:04

finally, I feel like that was a normal

30:06

conversation that wasn't forced.

30:08

It wasn't. Like, awkward.

30:10

It it wasn't intimidating.

30:12

It just

30:13

felt, like, finally.

30:14

And I

30:15

could, like, take that deep breath.

30:18

You know, I think

30:21

leading up to that, I kinda got

30:23

to a point where I was like, you know, you

30:25

just need to, like, relax

30:27

take a deep breath and,

30:30

like, try to just focus

30:32

on this one thing. And

30:34

that's what I

30:35

did. And it just felt very

30:37

finally felt

30:38

like natural. Yeah. And

30:41

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31:46

Give us the beats. I need to know. Is

31:49

Zach a good kisser decent

31:52

kisser, Matt. Like, I

31:54

really wanna know. Like, genuinely.

31:56

Yes. Be honest. You won't get in trouble

31:58

if you tell us the

32:00

truth. Well, our kids

32:02

was a little bit peanut buttery,

32:05

which was

32:07

I mean, it's an

32:07

acquired taste that I

32:10

love. I'd

32:10

say that's a

32:11

bonus. Okay. I think so too. I was like, yeah,

32:14

a little peanut butter, a little chocolate. I

32:16

love it. No. I

32:18

thought we had a good

32:18

kiss. Like, rating it on

32:21

the scale

32:21

of first kisses. It

32:24

was long anticipated. I was I don't

32:26

think I've ever been that nervous for a first

32:28

kiss in my whole

32:28

life. But I thought

32:31

it was pretty good. What I will say

32:33

about Zach is I think his kissing

32:35

cell is very accommodating to the

32:37

-- Oh. -- other

32:38

person. That's a

32:39

compliment. That's

32:41

a key key. He catches

32:42

a vibe. Because I was, obviously, you guys

32:45

saw us talking about, you know, do you

32:47

use tongue? Do you not use

32:49

tongue? Like, I think he's good at, like,

32:51

reading the room or reading

32:53

the envelopes. Like, just in terms of What

32:55

is going on? Yes. I think he

32:57

he knows how to catch a bot. That's

32:59

it. That's it. What do we have?

33:01

We like accommodating man. I like that

33:04

occasionally too. He

33:06

adapts. Okay. So this

33:08

week, you played in, like, a

33:10

long standing or tradition, the bachelor

33:12

bowl. And when you pulled up to

33:14

the field, what were your first thoughts

33:16

with what was

33:16

happening, what was gonna be expected on the day?

33:19

Well, I was very nervous.

33:21

I knew it was a good call. I

33:23

I knew this second we got that date

33:25

card. I was like, there's too many girls on

33:27

here.

33:28

Bird

33:28

to not be the bachelor bowl. Was it was

33:30

it, like, are were you excited about that? Or

33:32

you're, like, not crap. Are you athletic? Like, do you

33:34

consider yourself athletic?

33:38

Because that they say it all. Okay.

33:41

So I would say I work

33:43

out and I am athletic,

33:46

but I'm not aggressive.

33:49

Mhmm. So for me, the

33:51

idea of, like, being aggressive and, like,

33:53

tackling someone is

33:55

not. Like, let's say we're doing, like, a

33:58

like a race or, like, an

34:00

obstacle

34:00

course? Hell

34:01

yeah. I mean, they're, like, swimwear. Like,

34:03

I will dominate, but

34:07

idea of tackling people and then being

34:09

tackled, that was a lot --

34:11

Mhmm. -- and I was not

34:13

ready for it. Well,

34:14

and there was there was extra stakes because

34:18

he told

34:18

you whatever team wins, gets to go to

34:20

the cocktail party, whoever loses, has to

34:23

go home. So chinara. So, like, did that

34:26

change your mindset going in? I'm sure it

34:28

did in some capacity, but, like, when you heard

34:29

that, what was going through your head? Oh,

34:32

yeah. I was, like, oh, perfect. another

34:34

missed opportunity to, like,

34:36

progress my relationship with Zach, like,

34:39

no way. There's absolutely no

34:41

way. was y. Yeah. So I

34:44

was stressed. I was

34:46

angry. I was like,

34:48

are you kidding? Like,

34:50

now another other after party that

34:52

I might not attend so that we can

34:54

get even more

34:54

behind. Mhmm. Yeah. So it was

34:56

it was, like, a lot It's

34:59

a

34:59

lot of emotion. Okay. So were you

35:02

confident with, like, your like, who's on remind

35:04

us who is

35:05

on your team? Well, We had

35:07

me, Davia, Jen,

35:11

Greer, Anastasia.

35:15

And who

35:16

am I messing? Oh, Brianna,

35:20

I think that

35:21

was it. Okay. Quite sure. Who did you think was gonna be,

35:24

like, the if you were to choose, like, a

35:26

captain of your the yellow team who would have

35:27

been? Or, like, who chose, like Jen was our

35:30

MVP all

35:32

the way she is very athletic. She knows

35:34

football. So she was like and I think

35:36

see, we didn't have

35:40

any workout released on our season, I guess,

35:42

besides Christina did CrossFit,

35:44

and then Jen was very athletic. And then

35:46

I somehow got looped in

35:48

as, like, one of those workout

35:50

curlies. I was

35:50

like, I work out, but, like, I'm

35:52

not I'm not a

35:53

football girl. Mhmm. And so I

35:56

think Jen really thought that

35:58

I was gonna help her a lot

36:00

with knowing football, but she was

36:02

telling us all these plays. And I was like, that

36:04

sounds awesome. Not sure what you're saying, you're

36:06

speaking a

36:08

different language. And you can

36:09

see, like you'll see it's

36:12

very obvious.

36:12

I do not know football because in

36:14

the beginning of the game, I

36:18

remember remember, I didn't know that you were

36:20

supposed to, like, touch the ball. I

36:22

thought you were not supposed to touch the ball.

36:26

Wait. What do you mean? Like, not touch the ball?

36:28

Put up with that somewhere.

36:30

So I ran away from

36:32

the ball. I literally would

36:36

be I feel like during this group date, I would be the same way. I'd be

36:38

like, I'm just gonna go stand over

36:39

here. I'm gonna fake an injury so I can

36:41

hang out with Zakipu. And

36:43

just You would be the

36:44

one to faking you'd be the one to faking in

36:46

the game. No. I'd actually probably stay in

36:48

the game. And I I would it would take me

36:50

a little bit to get, like, accommodated into it,

36:53

but I'd probably then be like, I'm gonna fucking hit out everyone. Get my ingress,

36:55

you know. But Yeah. I just

36:57

wanna clarify for everyone because I

36:59

was like, who is Jen. Like,

37:01

I don't remember a Jen. Jenneby is who you're

37:03

talking about. Who's on your team? And she kind of panned

37:05

out, like, watching the episode. She did

37:08

very very well. So just for the

37:09

listeners who's like, if you're like me and I'm like, I don't know who Jen is, it's Geni

37:12

B. Okay,

37:14

Gabis. I also relate

37:16

to you in this scenario about

37:18

the pee and the pants. Okay?

37:20

And I'm not sure if

37:22

you were embarrassed about that or not. But

37:24

when I was watching you, I'm like, we have

37:26

all been there. If you have not beat your

37:29

pants a little bit at some point, whether it's

37:31

playing a game, whether it's like

37:33

when you're dancing, like, your

37:35

line if you haven't peed your pants a little

37:37

bit. So, honestly, I don't think you should

37:39

be embarrassed at all

37:42

about it. And did you think that that part was gonna be

37:44

shut? Like, you know, we're always mic ed

37:46

up, but there's, like, some things that you don't think,

37:48

like, will ever error. Did you think that

37:50

they would

37:52

show that?

37:53

I was I was quite confident that that would be

37:56

shown just because I

37:58

went into the day and I was like, yeah. Like,

38:02

I'm gonna put my body on the line and I'm gonna

38:04

crush this, like, I'm

38:06

gonna get aggressive if I have

38:08

to, like, I'm just gonna

38:10

come out of my shell and be, you

38:12

know, a football player for the

38:14

day. Well, you know,

38:16

there was other plans for

38:18

me. That that blunt

38:20

force that pulled me down. It was so

38:22

hard. And I was also nervous. Like,

38:24

you you think, like, okay. I'm I'm staying

38:26

hydrated because we're in the

38:28

California sun. Then I've got these nerves and jitters because

38:30

the boy I like is watching

38:32

me try to catch up football, run

38:34

across the field. Like, there's a

38:36

lot going on. The nerves were -- Yeah. -- giving

38:38

me the nervous keys in

38:40

itself. And then you throw me to

38:42

the ground. Yeah.

38:44

It was bad, but have no fear. I've

38:47

consulted my doctor. We are

38:49

good. Everything is good. We're

38:51

working on it.

38:53

Yeah. That's

38:54

okay. I'm okay. Right? It's gonna happen now or when you

38:56

have kids. And honestly, you might

38:58

your team might not have one, but you definitely

39:00

won the relatable card. Mhmm. Oh,

39:03

what? Cheers to you for that. Thank you.

39:06

I'm actually kind of glad that they showed that because I feel

39:08

like every episode we get, like, clips

39:10

of, like,

39:10

realness. And, you know, I feel like there's things that people don't

39:12

always wanna talk about, and so I'm so glad that that

39:14

was It was the highlight real. It was a

39:15

hundred percent the highlight real.

39:18

Yeah. No. I thought it was

39:20

I think it's funny. I mean,

39:22

I couldn't help it. I mean, it

39:24

was honestly, like, a little bit alarming to

39:26

me. Initially, I was, like, my god.

39:28

Frank, I just need a little bit. That was hard. Yeah.

39:32

So I got tackled twice, like, really

39:34

hard, and that was one of them. And

39:37

that did occur. So I mean, you guys really did

39:39

give it your best effort though, but

39:41

unfortunately, the yellow team fell short

39:43

that day. How disappointing

39:46

was it that you would not be

39:48

able to go to this afterparty. It

39:51

was very disappointing, not

39:54

only, like, emotionally, but, like,

39:56

physically, I was drained and hurting. Like, I hyper

39:58

extended my knee and I was like,

40:00

I was like, oh, this hurts. And anyone this

40:02

sounds silly,

40:04

but Anyone who has dipped nails

40:06

will understand this. I had three of them

40:08

ripped off. Mhmm. And my

40:10

fingers were, like, for robbing --

40:12

Mhmm. -- from that. I just also peed my

40:15

pants. So, like, there were so

40:17

many emotions I always feel like, and

40:19

then you don't get to talked

40:21

to the guy who you just put it all out there for.

40:23

But I think he saw our

40:26

effort. So I

40:28

at least left, like, knowing, like, okay. You put it all

40:30

out there. You tried your best. Like, there's

40:32

only so much you can

40:33

do, but it was

40:36

super disappointing. Yeah.

40:38

Yeah. Yeah. The end the end to

40:40

an already rough day

40:42

date. It's hopefully, you

40:44

guys just were able to get home

40:47

shower, drink a lot of wine, so you couldn't

40:49

feel the pain as much. But okay.

40:52

So that night, you know, half of you

40:54

at home, half still went to the date, and it was

40:56

in the middle of that cocktail party.

40:59

It will not cocktail party. But,

41:01

like, that evening portion, that

41:04

you guys saw Bailey's suitcase being wheeled out of

41:06

the

41:06

mansion. Did you expect that like,

41:09

did you think that they had a starter connection

41:11

and were you very surprised in

41:14

that moment? I was very surprised

41:16

by daily leaving. I

41:19

mean, when we were So

41:22

actually, what happened, like, the way

41:24

I found out is

41:26

I I got up really early

41:28

that next this morning and somebody else was up super early

41:30

before the other girls. And it was

41:32

almost like

41:34

word-of-mouth like somebody told me, so

41:36

I didn't know all of the details that I

41:38

heard about, and I was just, like, initially

41:41

so shocked. And

41:44

I think that's just because she I mean, she's so cool

41:46

and so beautiful and, like, it

41:48

seemed like they had a great

41:50

connection. And from everything you hear,

41:53

And that's every girl, right, talking about their relationship with

41:55

someone else

41:56

or with Zach. You know,

41:58

they're just signing in. You're hearing

42:01

the highlights. Of it. Right? You're not necessarily hearing all of

42:03

the, like, negatives or, you know, the

42:05

parts where it's like not

42:07

going super awesome. So I probably didn't know

42:09

all of the details or the nuances of how their

42:12

conversations were

42:12

going, but from an outsider's

42:16

perspective, I

42:18

was absolutely shocked to to see her go. And

42:20

really sad because she was, you know, so

42:22

fun. It's sad to see any girl go.

42:25

And so you lose a friend and then you're also like,

42:27

what happened? Mhmm. So it was so

42:30

many

42:30

emotions. Who were you really close

42:32

with in the house? Like, either

42:34

night one throughout and, like, even though who would you say you're, like, your best

42:37

friends from the show

42:37

are? I think we

42:40

were so lucky with our group

42:42

of girls the

42:44

girls are all so

42:45

cool, so nice. And

42:48

I'm friends

42:49

with ever everyone pretty much. I would consider myself friends with

42:52

everyone. I think, initially, I really

42:54

clicked with Jazz and

42:56

Katie and Ariel. Those

42:58

are two two or three of the girls

43:00

that I felt like, oh, I

43:02

really I really get these girls and they really get

43:03

me. And we they felt like I'd

43:06

known them for a really long time,

43:08

but overall,

43:09

all of the girls

43:11

are just great. Mhmm.

43:12

That's so nice. We do, like,

43:15

some lottery. We're seeing this this

43:18

season. Yeah. Yeah. It seems

43:19

like you guys have each other's back

43:21

for sure. Yeah. It was like I was

43:23

so scared because I watched Kufrin

43:26

season before -- Mhmm. -- to get

43:28

outfit inspiration of all

43:30

things. And I was like Sorry.

43:32

Oh my god. Are am I about to get,

43:34

like, believe like crazy bullied on

43:36

the show. I was super scared, but no,

43:39

we didn't it wasn't like that.

43:41

The girls were so

43:42

great.

43:42

So it seems like okay. Let's get into this

43:44

pool party and some not

43:47

even, like, major major

43:50

love. But, like, there

43:52

was a situation between

43:55

not crystal. Christina and you

43:58

know, Brianna and some of the other

44:00

women. Just from your

44:02

standpoint since you lived with everyone, can you

44:04

just speak a little

44:06

bit about that whole scenario. Like, did you witness

44:08

Christina, like, ever

44:10

been too much, like,

44:13

too open about her relationship

44:16

with Zach

44:16

and, like, kind of putting anyone else

44:20

down? Yeah.

44:22

I think for me, I was so

44:24

hyperfixing on, like, my relationship with

44:26

Zach and probably a

44:28

little bit in my own

44:30

world of you know, I need

44:32

to figure out, like, how I'm gonna

44:34

progress my relationship. I

44:36

was a little bit focused on that, but

44:38

obviously, like, these things

44:40

happen in you have to be aware of them because it's

44:42

all around

44:43

you. So when everything

44:46

happened

44:46

that pool party, it was very disappointing

44:50

because we we're having such a fun day. And

44:52

I think that, you know, people

44:54

do have personalities

44:56

and not everyone is

44:58

gonna click. Like, you put thirty women

45:00

together, there's no way everyone

45:02

clicks with one another. And

45:04

personalities and, you know, the

45:06

way people speak or

45:08

it's gonna clash and that's just

45:10

human

45:10

nature. So it

45:13

was unfortunate because

45:15

I think it really took away from the fun of,

45:18

like, the date and

45:20

the day we were all having together.

45:23

But I think that it's necessary, you know, if you're

45:25

feeling a certain way, to feel safe with

45:27

your partner, to go and have

45:29

those conversations. And I think we

45:31

are all adults. So having those

45:34

conversations with other adults,

45:36

that is important. Like,

45:38

how can you, you know, it's only your problem

45:41

unless you may get someone else's. And so I

45:43

think that those conversations needed to happen, but

45:45

it was definitely a little

45:48

bit disappointing. But people have

45:50

personalities and not everyone

45:52

will mesh. So throughout that

45:54

day, when things started to get

45:57

more tense and, you know, Brianna

46:00

like, take it take it to the moment.

46:02

Brianna just left. And

46:04

all of the women are sitting together

46:06

you know, you're all hanging out. Zach comes in and addresses the situation.

46:08

I'm like, why she went home and that

46:11

there he mentions there's somebody

46:13

in the mansion that's kind

46:16

of probably some, like, multiple, not just, Brianna, but multiple women

46:18

the wrong way and making comments and just kind

46:20

of putting them down and making them feel

46:23

uncomfortable. It seemed and this and this just could be,

46:26

like, kind of what was shown.

46:27

But, like, as a viewer, it seems like

46:29

when you're all together and Christina's sitting there,

46:31

it like, It

46:33

didn't really seem like she was aware that it would have been directed towards her.

46:36

You know, obviously, right after that he pulled her

46:38

aside to have a conversation. But

46:40

at any

46:42

point, like, were you aware that she was the one making some people

46:44

feel uncomfortable and that she would be the one that

46:46

he would pull? Or, like, what was going through your

46:49

mind? Were you like, oh, it might be somebody else? It could be her. Like, where

46:51

was your head

46:53

at? So I do remember

46:55

in that moment, you know, it

46:58

wasn't clear if there was, like,

47:00

one person or multiple

47:02

people. And that was, like, giving me some

47:04

confusion. But I

47:06

also remember you

47:07

know, the girls saying

47:10

we

47:11

and I tried as romaine's Orland.

47:13

I'm just gonna say that. Like, I tried to stay out the

47:16

drama, but, like, obviously, you hear things

47:18

and you hear people talking. You're living in a

47:20

house together. But

47:22

I knew that there had been something

47:24

at the the date,

47:26

like, the cocktail party where

47:29

I wasn't because it was after the football game and we had

47:31

lost. Mhmm. And I know that there was some,

47:33

like, tensions

47:35

from that. And but

47:38

I didn't know, like, all the context, all the details. And honestly, like,

47:40

like I said, like, I was focused

47:43

on my relationship with Zach. So not

47:45

the time or place where I was like, you know what? I'm

47:48

about to get myself all

47:50

into this drama and, like, what's

47:52

going on? So I tried

47:54

to, like, take a step back and -- Mhmm. -- let everyone out

47:56

as adults and have conversations that

47:58

needed to be

47:59

had, but stay out

48:01

of it. So

48:03

I knew

48:03

that there was already tension, so between -- Mhmm.

48:05

-- maybe more than one

48:08

person. But I do know how it's all

48:10

gonna

48:10

unfold. Would you say that you were a busy daydreaming about

48:12

spreading sunscreen over Zach? I thought

48:14

they can have a flu party for sure.

48:18

Did you look at what you said about that? Yeah. Tell me

48:20

about that.

48:21

Well,

48:21

guys, you gotta jump at

48:24

your opportunity. You

48:25

jumped, and I loved it. To have

48:27

a few few and far between of them in

48:29

the beginning. Yeah. So

48:32

yeah. No. I saw that at sunscreen. He said

48:34

on my gonna get a sunburn. I said, well, let

48:37

me help you with

48:37

that. Mhmm. You know, gotta protect my hands.

48:40

And then

48:40

the sunscreen just magically appears in your

48:42

hand. Yeah. He was

48:45

he was like, oh, perfect right here. Let

48:47

me just put his all on real. I did

48:49

put a little bit too

48:50

much. I think he just, like, got me, Jill. It's

48:52

soaking extra up down. I I would do the same. I would

48:54

say you're

48:55

gonna have

48:55

to spend more time letting it soak

48:58

in, you know. I

49:00

would have Yeah. No. I wouldn't I wouldn't have rubbed sunscreen on

49:01

Zach, but I would say

49:04

that.

49:04

It's the person who I

49:05

was going after. Or just dump

49:07

the whole bottle. Yeah. I was like, I'm

49:09

just gonna put as much on there so I can just

49:11

keep touching you. Yeah.

49:14

No. It was a great opportunity. You stole it,

49:16

and I I loved to see it.

49:18

Okay, before we get into the

49:20

next part of this interview, I mean,

49:22

it was a wild week in voucher

49:25

mansion we saw a couple girls go home, like, not even

49:27

at the Rose ceremony. There was only Christina who went home at

49:30

the Rose

49:32

ceremony. So fast like,

49:34

the rest of the season without giving too

49:36

much away. Can you tease

49:38

anything fun of what's to

49:40

come? Like, what we can expect?

49:43

That's tough.

49:48

Not teasing too much. I

49:51

think that there

49:53

this season, like, you

49:56

will see a lot of

49:58

love and you'll see a lot

50:00

of emotions and

50:02

probably some of the most genuine

50:06

people, like,

50:08

you'll get to know some of the most

50:10

genuine people that I've ever

50:11

met. And I do think

50:14

that they're is a lot of

50:16

love between the girls

50:19

with

50:19

Zach. And

50:20

I think it's like a really

50:22

unique It's

50:24

a unique season. From what I've

50:26

seen of the other seasons, I

50:28

think this is a special

50:30

season.

50:30

Oh.

50:31

Oh. Special season, I like it. I'll take it. Very much

50:33

so. Whoa. Gabbie, we've enjoyed chatting

50:35

with you so much today.

50:37

And before that you go, we're gonna play a quick

50:40

round of something called rapid fire. So we're

50:42

gonna give you questions just to get to know

50:44

you a little

50:46

bit more emphasis on the word Rapid, so you don't have to give an

50:48

explanation just your answer.

50:50

And Becca and I will swap back and

50:52

forth asking you

50:52

questions. Are you ready to go?

50:55

I'm ready. Okay. Here we

50:56

go. Are you an early riser or

50:59

a night owl?

51:02

Oh

51:03

my god. Depends on the day. Okay. Alright.

51:04

Well, take it. What is the

51:06

best dating advice you've ever received?

51:11

You can't change

51:13

people. What is

51:15

your go

51:16

to pizza order?

51:19

I'm really boring I just

51:21

like cheese. Can't go wrong. What is

51:23

one word that your best friends would use

51:25

to describe you?

51:28

Turkey. K.

51:31

What is your favorite curse word?

51:37

You can say it too.

51:39

You can say it. Everyone gets

51:41

caught up on this one.

51:43

I have some weird words I

51:45

say, like, that aren't customers that

51:48

are customers, and then I

51:50

also use

51:51

customers. I probably say I I dropped

51:53

the f bomb a lot which

51:55

is pretty bad. I need to work on that. And

51:58

then you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're

52:01

I

52:03

say. I say, Oh

52:06

There's so many things that I say.

52:08

Like, I say fudge a lot, but

52:10

that's not one of the weird ones. So, like

52:12

Understood. No. It's hard

52:14

to be on this. Thought. Like, know.

52:16

See, that's a

52:17

weird

52:17

thing I say. My Atlanta, nothing to

52:19

shake a stick

52:21

at. In there,

52:23

like, swimwear, mentee b, I'm

52:25

telling you guys the nicknames for jinxed out

52:28

everything. It's just a mistake.

52:30

I'm gonna start saying that

52:32

now. Yeah.

52:34

Okay. What is the most played song or artist

52:36

in your library?

52:39

I love Drake. Like I love

52:42

Drake so much.

52:44

Yeah. So

52:45

I love Drake. Okay.

52:48

What is

52:49

your favorite cocktail? Depends, like, who I'm trying to

52:51

embody that night if I'm trying to be, like, frisky

52:54

or if I'm trying to be

52:56

feisty. My goats would probably

52:57

be, like, any kind of, like,

53:00

gin cocktail. I love a gin

53:02

tonic.

53:02

Yes. That's okay. And does

53:04

that does that cue the the feisty or

53:07

does that what what version do we get with gin? That's like

53:09

my fun

53:09

side. Okay. Okay.

53:11

Okay. Love it. If you could be any

53:14

animal, what would

53:16

you be?

53:16

I would be

53:17

a dolphin. I could

53:19

see that, actually.

53:20

Just, like, really.

53:22

Okay. You're friendly.

53:23

They have a dolphin, and

53:25

they're like, I hate that creature. Somebody without

53:27

a soul.

53:28

Nobody. What is the current

53:30

screensaver on your phone? Mine is

53:34

me. Playing with my dad as a

53:36

little kid, and I'm playing with his on his lap.

53:38

Like, this little

53:39

girl, like, precious. So

53:42

that's so And that little beanie oh my gosh. I love

53:44

that. I know. Okay. That's that is,

53:46

I have to say, one of the best screensaver

53:48

we've seen. That's cute. That's

53:50

cute. Delayed. Okay.

53:53

If you could visit one place in the world, where

53:55

would you go?

53:59

love to go to, like, Bora

54:02

Bora. Man

54:03

This doesn't seem to

54:05

be really sexy. It seems

54:08

very sexy. Yeah. And I couldn't be mad

54:10

at that. And you kind of

54:12

briefly described this a

54:14

little bit but if you had to choose

54:16

a different

54:16

word. If you're describing the season of the Bachelor in one word

54:18

or phrase, what would it be?

54:24

That sounds like

54:27

cliche, but

54:30

love Okay.

54:33

Love. Love. Love. Love.

54:36

Love. Well, we are excited to see more

54:38

of you. Okay. So, Gabby, before we let you go,

54:40

we always do a couple fun last housekeeping

54:43

things. So we always start with

54:45

our resource, which is just helping keep

54:47

our listeners informed around timely topics,

54:50

especially in regards to race

54:52

in this country, in this franchise. And

54:54

so I'll kick it off, and then I'll let

54:56

Michelle take the lead and share her her resource,

54:58

and then we'll have you follow-up yours, and then

55:01

we'll get into, like, the last fun, the most part. But to

55:03

start for this week, my resource

55:05

is an in program

55:08

account. The account is her name is

55:10

Dara Star Tucker. And,

55:13

basically, her entire Instagram page

55:15

features videos about every topic from

55:18

race, like things like

55:20

blackface, grandfather clauses, racism,

55:24

and politics, etcetera. But the one that I

55:26

wanna highlight today and I just would

55:28

urge anyone to go check on her entire

55:30

page and just follow her is

55:34

It basically discusses the differences

55:36

between black pride and

55:38

white pride, and it's a conversation

55:40

that she did this real around

55:42

because she's seen a spark during black

55:44

history month, which is obviously this

55:46

month, and around why this

55:48

designation between, like, black pride and

55:50

white pride exist.

55:52

Leaving from the question of, like, why

55:54

isn't there a white history month, which

55:56

I'm sure a lot of maybe her

55:58

white followers or just people on Instagram have asked

56:01

about. So basically, it goes into, like, how white

56:03

pride and white pride comes across

56:05

differently in this country. And

56:08

it's basically because of the way a racing culture has developed here.

56:11

So she discusses the concept of race

56:13

as a colonial concept to

56:15

create like this

56:18

hierarchy to groups of people based on their skin

56:21

color. She gets

56:23

into basically like

56:25

the history of our country and the origins of slavery

56:27

and how when they were forced to come over to the

56:30

United States, they were stripped of basically all of

56:32

their traditions. Like,

56:34

they couldn't have

56:36

their culture, their language. Basically, everything was stripped from them and

56:38

they were forced into this, like, completely

56:40

new social framework. And

56:43

because of that, they had

56:45

to, like, really begin to develop, like,

56:47

their own distinct culture of their own.

56:49

And a lot of that in part

56:51

was fueled by like, triumph in the

56:53

face of extreme adversity. And it she kind of

56:56

lays it out as, like, it

56:58

developed out of the need to

57:00

overcome horrific circumstances.

57:02

So it gets into so much more, and

57:04

all of her videos are about, I

57:07

would say, like, five minutes.

57:09

So they're really quick easy

57:12

things to watch and read if you're on

57:14

the go. But again, I highly recommend checking that

57:16

one out just because it is February

57:18

and we are in Black History Month, but

57:21

her entire Instagram page is

57:23

so interesting, so educational. And so again,

57:25

her name is Dara

57:28

Star Tucker. So that is my resource of the week.

57:30

And

57:30

Michelle, if you want to go next.

57:32

Yeah. So my I'm keeping

57:34

my insurance. We and as we are

57:38

really getting into black history month that

57:40

I'll be posting this, like, one sheet.

57:42

So this one sheet reminder slash article

57:44

is just the dos and don'ts of black

57:46

history

57:46

month. Really kind of focusing

57:48

on what we can do

57:50

to celebrate what we

57:53

shouldn't

57:53

be doing really kinda goes into just, like,

57:56

quick little tidbits,

57:58

how to support Black owned businesses,

58:01

how to really raise awareness, how to

58:04

celebrate and not doing it in a

58:06

watered down manner and

58:08

really kind of being sure

58:10

that we are navigating

58:13

this month insightfully

58:15

and intentionally at same time. And

58:18

so again, the do's and don'ts a

58:20

black history month, and I'll be posting that

58:22

as, like, little one sheet on my

58:23

resources. Cool. Thank you, Michelle.

58:26

And now, Gabby, if you

58:28

have a resource you would like to share, we would

58:30

love to hear

58:30

it. The resource that I was gonna share with

58:32

you, because I talked a lot about my therapy and

58:34

like my journey through therapy was a book that

58:37

my therapist recommended to me and we would

58:39

actually like work through different sections of

58:41

it. It's called attached

58:44

and it's about adult attachment styles and how

58:46

that happens from your childhood and

58:48

how it like translates into your adult

58:52

life. And I think it's really important

58:54

to understand, like, how you're raised and how

58:56

that impacts you as an adult and

58:58

how

58:59

you can be very mindful of it. So

59:02

that's

59:02

that's my resource. Cool. Thank you,

59:04

tangible. Thank you. I actually will

59:06

say I just learned a bit more

59:09

about I think it's the four different

59:11

attachment styles. Is that right? The

59:13

four of them? And Yeah.

59:15

And, like, you could just take a quiz online too to kind

59:17

of see your attachment style and, like, why it is

59:19

to come. I was very surprised by it, I

59:21

will say. So I think that's great to

59:23

share something that, you know, anyone at any

59:26

point can look more into. So thank

59:28

you for that. And then this is

59:30

the last part I swear. I know

59:32

we adding on things before we let you go, but this is

59:34

the fun part. It's your rose and thorns. So

59:36

basically, your rose is

59:38

gonna be your highlight

59:40

or your favorite moment

59:42

of your time on Zach's season so

59:44

far. And then on the flip side, obviously,

59:46

the rose is

59:48

something messy awkward a memory that you,

59:50

like, wish maybe didn't happen

59:52

or was shown. So whatever you wanna share,

59:54

your

59:55

rose and thorn.

59:56

Okay. So my

59:59

thorn would probably be the the

1:00:02

nickname word vomit

1:00:04

that happened It

1:00:06

was pretty embarrassing and people are like, is

1:00:08

this girl unhinghed? Like, is she okay?

1:00:11

So Probably,

1:00:14

that would be my thorn. But like I said,

1:00:16

like, getting

1:00:17

accustomed to, like, all of the

1:00:20

cameras and everything, I think that was a thorn

1:00:22

in itself. My

1:00:24

roads would probably be just

1:00:26

like the girls that kept

1:00:29

me so grounded when I

1:00:31

was struggling in other areas. You

1:00:33

know, those girls like help boost me

1:00:35

up and I'm so grateful for

1:00:38

that. And then those conversations

1:00:40

that did go well and and it wasn't me

1:00:42

word bombing and giving Sacking

1:00:44

nicknames that he didn't

1:00:45

want, those were all

1:00:47

really positive moments.

1:00:48

Good. I love that. Well, Gabby, we are excited to

1:00:50

see more of you. It seems like you're

1:00:53

finally getting the time, the well deserved time

1:00:55

with Saks, so we can't wait

1:00:58

to see where this takes you. And,

1:01:00

you know, throughout this journey, it's a

1:01:02

lot. We understand Michelle and I have

1:01:04

both been in your shoes. It's it's

1:01:07

a crazy time with social media

1:01:09

and just having the world witness you

1:01:11

trying to fall in

1:01:12

love. So if you ever need anything, any advice to

1:01:14

events, like we are always here for

1:01:16

you. Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And it's so

1:01:18

awesome to meet both of you. I feel like

1:01:20

I'm having a little pan girl moment,

1:01:22

but this is super awesome.

1:01:25

We were very excited to have you. Yeah. You're somebody that

1:01:27

we wanted. Some glad that we really saw you,

1:01:30

and I'm sure,

1:01:30

in a few weeks, we'll either see

1:01:33

you at Patelal or the

1:01:35

finale however, before you go. So Thank

1:01:36

you. Forty eight

1:01:37

percent. You're

1:01:39

watching. Yes.

1:01:40

Well, thank you,

1:01:41

Gabby. Alright. Michelle,

1:01:43

that was nice when she's

1:01:45

so sweet.

1:01:46

She seems really just sweet and

1:01:48

genuine. And I love how open she was just

1:01:50

about her. All that come like, all

1:01:53

that just different difficulties or obstacles that kinda

1:01:55

come

1:01:55

with, like, having ADHD. And I

1:01:57

I love that she was able to open up about that.

1:01:59

And I'm sure there's a lot of viewers that

1:02:01

Mhmm. Appreciate her having Matt Cannon

1:02:03

conversation. So thank you again, Abby, for

1:02:06

being so open. Michelle, I agree with

1:02:08

you. And III love

1:02:10

people who have, like, put in work.

1:02:12

And, you know, we've all been through stuff

1:02:14

in our past. You

1:02:16

know, there's no way around

1:02:18

that, but somebody

1:02:20

who recognizes areas where they could do better or

1:02:22

learn or just become more self aware I really

1:02:24

appreciate. I think it's a conversation that we

1:02:26

should always

1:02:28

be having so I'm glad that it sounds like before coming on the

1:02:30

show, she's went she went through some stuff, she did

1:02:32

the work, and I loved that she can

1:02:34

speak on that

1:02:36

more. So yeah, I feel like she I feel like so

1:02:38

far, like, we've talked to some great

1:02:40

women, and I'm like, I say this every week. I'm like, I

1:02:42

think they're gonna go far and I'm

1:02:44

always not But

1:02:46

I really hope she she seems like

1:02:48

a very just genuine real,

1:02:50

very dumb to earth woman. So

1:02:52

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1:02:55

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