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0:41

Welcome to Bachelorette. I'm Juliette Littman,

0:43

and I am delighted to be joined today

0:45

by Susie Evans. Hi, Susie. Oh,

0:48

hey, thanks for having me. Yeah.

0:51

I feel like that you don't feel this

0:53

way, so don't, you know, don't worry. But

0:55

I

0:55

I feel like I I'm, like, seeing

0:57

a friend who I haven't seen in months and I'm, like,

1:00

excited to catch up with because, like, when you're on

1:02

the show, you're part of, like, my

1:04

my week, you know. And also because I cover

1:06

the show, like, think

1:08

about it a lot too. So it's like Susie

1:10

was in my life for a few months and then and

1:12

then she disappeared. So Susie, great to see

1:14

you. How are you? See you, old

1:16

friend. I'm gonna

1:18

be here. I'm adjusting my seat. Don't

1:20

be freaked out. No worries. I'm I'm Susie,

1:24

where are you right now? I'm in Dallas,

1:26

Texas. I'm at Sierra Jackson's house.

1:28

She was on Clayton season with Meeam, and

1:30

she's actually making a bed right now. This

1:34

is a very pro Sierra podcast.

1:37

Us. We love to hear it.

1:39

Yeah. Me and my my cohost

1:42

part of the time. Most of the time. Cali,

1:44

first of all, Sierra has

1:46

the most incredible skin we've ever seen.

1:48

Oh my gosh. Get this. She just

1:50

did a whole like, it took us almost

1:53

thirty minutes, but -- Wow. -- we did

1:55

a whole morning skin hygiene. As you can see, I'm

1:57

a puffy. I'm a puffy girl. Like,

1:59

I can't

1:59

see it, Susie.

2:00

I think you look good. Thank you. I appreciate

2:03

that. But, like, Sierra keeps it real, and she's

2:05

like, we need we need help. And so It's

2:06

like,

2:08

I'm not kidding. It took us like I mean, in

2:10

reality, it took us like fifteen, twenty minutes, but she was

2:12

like putting serums on my hand. I was

2:14

dabbing, like, there were probably

2:16

ten steps to it, and then you have like, let it

2:18

dry in between. And I was, like, well, no wonder

2:21

you look

2:21

this wonderful I mean, plus she's just stunning.

2:23

So -- Yeah. Beautiful. -- you know, home and by the time I

2:25

leave, I'll be better. By the way, if Sierra would like to

2:27

join, I welcome her. I don't I don't know what you

2:29

feel, but if she wants to join on, We

2:31

would love to have her.

2:32

Like, don't worry. Come on over. Yeah.

2:35

Why not? Okay.

2:36

Hi.

2:37

Hi. I'm Julianette.

2:38

How's it going? Hi, Julia.

2:40

It's going absolutely wonderful. I'm over

2:42

here making that bed, doing my -- My wife, sweetie. --

2:44

good evening. This morning. I

2:46

was like, wow. So Sierra is

2:48

not only a seemingly wonderful person, but

2:50

also a great host. Wow.

2:52

Thank you so much, Julie. I try.

2:55

Yeah. And she keeps phase two.

2:57

She's like, put your stuff over here. Oh, my

2:59

shoes are on. Oh my god. That's alright. Good.

3:02

I'm good. Because he knows

3:04

she's on a nap. How soon we're gonna start.

3:06

Okay. Noted. I've ever come over. I just wanna say

3:08

Sierra, it seems like you're

3:09

doing great, so you don't really need this, but I just wanna

3:12

say we were really disappointed with

3:14

everything

3:14

that went down in paradise, not on your behalf,

3:16

but thought that you were incredibly classy

3:18

and deserve a lot more. So I hope you find happiness

3:21

and I hope you thrive.

3:23

Thank you so much. That means a lot. I definitely

3:25

got I got me a now. Yeah.

3:27

Nice. I'm very I'm very

3:30

very happy and very lucky. And so

3:32

I think that karma's real everything happens for a reason,

3:34

and sometimes you had to go through the traps to

3:37

get to the gold,

3:39

the gold. Yeah. That's great. Well,

3:42

standing invite to come back to the to the pod

3:44

if if you're done making the bed, whatever you want,

3:46

Sierra. From up to the line, I'm going to be

3:48

cleaning and working. Bye. I'll chime

3:50

in Yeah. I can chime in in.

3:53

Okay. Great.

3:55

Well, this is honestly really fun.

3:58

So Susie, like, I was one of the

4:00

things I was asked, like, who are you close within the

4:02

house? But clearly, it's Sierra -- Yeah.

4:04

-- among others, what's like

4:07

what what is that camaraderie like? Because

4:09

I feel like with Clayton's

4:11

season in particular, it

4:13

felt very like, it was clear there were some

4:15

friend groups, but I think we'd and and some good friendships.

4:17

We didn't really get to see it because it was so much

4:19

more about how Clayton was sort of, like, dividing

4:21

the women, which is inherent

4:23

to the show, but obviously just like the way that

4:25

he handled himself at the end was

4:27

very

4:28

I can't think

4:30

of word because they haven't had enough coffee. Divisive,

4:33

complicated. Anyway, so what's

4:35

that camaraderie like? Like, you know,

4:37

you're with the women way more than you're Clayton or you

4:39

are while you're off the most show. Oh, I felt

4:41

way closer to the girls and into the Clayton

4:43

even by the end. Like, I

4:46

think that from

4:48

the get go,

4:49

there was so much camaraderie amongst the girls.

4:52

And even if

4:52

there might have seemed to be devices deviceiveness

4:55

in the house, there

4:55

really wasn't that much. Like, of course,

4:58

like, the the screen time,

5:00

like, played into any divisiveness that

5:02

there was, but, like, ultimately, like, there weren't

5:04

There wasn't, like, a ton of

5:07

drama amongst women. Of course, there

5:09

was, like, the story arc of, like,

5:11

Shanae in the house and -- Yeah. That was,

5:13

like, played up a lot. But, like, for the most part,

5:15

we had I mean, I can think of

5:17

several times that we had just

5:19

so many intimate, like, beautiful

5:22

moments as women behind the

5:24

scenes, like, even girls that I wasn't, like, particularly

5:26

close with. And a lot of that, I feel

5:28

like I was closer to the girls that were my age. So,

5:30

like, Gabby Markman, Sierra's

5:32

a little bit younger than us, but we

5:35

the three of us and and Hunter,

5:38

like, at one point, was really close to, like, in

5:40

that group, like, we were very,

5:42

very, very close. And then I feel like there was

5:44

kind of like a younger dynamic and maybe that

5:46

was even just because of, like, their

5:49

style,

5:49

and I don't know, maybe the age I feel like

5:51

there's kind of, like, the younger groups and then, like, the

5:53

older group at it. But -- Sure. -- all

5:55

of us were

5:56

closed. Like, or I would say, well, all of us were

5:58

friends. So

6:00

the camaraderie was great. It made

6:02

it for a really fun experience. Like,

6:04

my experience was wonderful up until it

6:06

wasn't. So

6:09

I always say that I'm like, it was I kept saying

6:11

every single day I would like cry daily,

6:13

not like

6:14

like overly, but

6:15

Every day, I would get emotional because I was like,

6:17

how am I so lucky to be here? Like, everybody's

6:19

amazing. Like, these experiences are

6:22

once in a lifetime and yeah, there's,

6:24

like, a ton of crazy stuff that happens when you're

6:26

exhausted and it's emotional. But, like, at the end of the

6:28

day, I was, like, I'm literally traveling the road with,

6:30

like, a group of girls just, like, living

6:32

our best lives. So Do you

6:33

get to, like, sightseeing at all while you're not

6:35

filming? Not really. I

6:37

think they do that because they don't want tons of

6:39

spoilers to get leaked, but they

6:41

do, like, when we were in RevPAR, they, like, took us

6:43

out for, like, a walk. At one point.

6:46

In Croatia. Yeah. That was really cool.

6:48

Was it warm? Have our it

6:51

actually I remember it being chilly

6:53

when it was cloudy and then but,

6:56

like, technically, it was kinda warm out, you

6:58

know, kinda like California. Like Yeah.

7:00

Yeah. Yeah. We need a jacket. It's

7:03

a real bummer to not be it. And and Havar

7:05

in the summer, I would say. With free free

7:07

rein to just, like, jump in the water. It's, like,

7:09

definitely behind my list of places to go to.

7:11

Oh,

7:11

Gabby and I did jump in the water. And Oh,

7:14

gosh. Me it didn't make it, but it didn't

7:16

make the air. But it was that was my

7:18

favorite moment of the entire season.

7:20

Like, because we didn't we weren't gonna do it

7:22

because it was kinda scary. It was, like, in the

7:24

ocean of the sea, I guess. Yeah. And

7:26

but the water was crystal clear and there are these

7:28

boys playing water polo, like, around

7:30

the area that we were at and And

7:32

we were like, no. We're not gonna do we're not gonna do it. And

7:35

then somebody from the crew was like, you will never get

7:37

the chance to, like, jump in

7:38

the Mediterranean see or

7:40

whatever the see is. I think it's a different see, but

7:42

I think it might be adriatic. I'll look on

7:44

the map while we're talking. It is definitely adriatic

7:46

when you said that. Bring it up. But

7:48

they're like, you'll never get a chance to do it again,

7:50

so just do it dumped in and it was

7:52

like it was a magical moment

7:54

for sure. That's awesome. So are you close with

7:56

Gabby? We were

7:57

very close on the show, but I think, you know,

7:59

life

7:59

just takes you separate ways. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

8:02

And so we don't we don't really keep in touch

8:04

as much, but I love her and

8:06

we had so much fun and she's like a big

8:08

part of my happy memories on the

8:10

show. Interesting. So once it looked

8:12

at like

8:13

navigating how you know, navigating

8:16

feeling really close to Gavi when she's also,

8:18

you know, with you in Iceland and you're trying to

8:20

figure out, like, how do you feel? Oh,

8:21

yeah. So Well, it's

8:23

tough because you don't get to spend a

8:25

ton of time with the girls

8:28

in at that point, you know, you're brought

8:30

together

8:31

to have conversations or whatever. But

8:33

I think for me, I felt

8:35

like I felt

8:37

just completely I felt separate from

8:39

my relationship with her than my relationship

8:41

with the bachelor. You know what I

8:43

mean? Like and everybody, like, it

8:45

It's like my relation. That's how you have to separate

8:48

it because at

8:49

least to say saying for me because it's like,

8:52

I didn't wanna

8:52

say anything to

8:54

clay in about the other relationships that

8:56

was gonna affect how he moved forward in the process,

8:58

that was gonna affect their experience,

9:01

But at

9:01

the same time, like, I have to say

9:03

true to myself. So,

9:06

again, it was really, really great to

9:09

have there, to be honest. Like, she helped me

9:11

in a lot of ways through, like, some of the

9:13

toughest moments when we were out there.

9:15

And I just, like, trusted

9:17

her through and through. I was, like, I just trust that she's

9:19

a good person and that she's going

9:21

to, you

9:22

know,

9:23

respect and have my back. And

9:25

I think she did. So

9:28

I'm glad.

9:28

That's yeah. She seems like a

9:30

like a good friend to have.

9:32

Mhmm. Well, it seems like she

9:34

values friendship. I don't know if she is a good friend, but it

9:36

seems like she values it at least. Yeah.

9:39

I think so. It's

9:42

it's like have you spoken since she's been on the

9:44

bachelorette?

9:44

We've had a couple

9:47

of tech conversation, but that's about it. She's that

9:49

goes off. Is it awkward at all? Not

9:51

for me that I

9:53

know. Like, don't feel it's

9:54

awkward, but we also haven't really talked on

9:56

the phone at all. So

9:58

I think she's just,

9:59

like, on

10:00

the go, Rowan. Yeah.

10:03

Okay. Cool. Yeah. So who else do you still hang

10:05

with in addition to Sierra? I

10:07

was just in LA with Marlena.

10:10

And then we trying to think of who

10:12

else we saw really when we were out there. From

10:14

this show, I would think it was just Marlene and Sarah

10:16

Sarah was anybody else who doesn't I'm I

10:18

don't remember. Oh, we saw Sam at

10:20

at that

10:21

party.

10:23

What

10:25

about Rachel? No.

10:26

We haven't seen Rachel.

10:30

She

10:30

I think she lives in LA, but she didn't go to

10:32

any of the events that we were at, at least, while we were

10:34

there.

10:34

Where are we out there for?

10:36

We

10:36

went out there for this big. It was like a

10:38

reality TV

10:39

party. Mhmm.

10:40

Yeah. I don't know if you want to see the name

10:43

anymore, but I think Johnny bananas went to that. Did

10:45

you meet Johnny bananas? Maybe,

10:47

but I bet you're a challenge. Okay.

10:49

I might have met him. I definitely met some people.

10:52

That I didn't know their names because I was like or I

10:54

didn't see what they were, like, from or,

10:56

you know, you didn't meet them and you're like, oh, no.

10:58

No. I don't know. What you're

10:59

from? Yeah.

11:02

What's it like being grouped

11:04

into this reality TV world? Like, bachelor's

11:06

side, and I will say actually one thing that

11:09

we've

11:09

noticed the ringer because we cover a lot of we

11:11

cover, like, all pop culture and sports.

11:13

Yep. The bachelor's are really discreet

11:16

audience. Like, people who watch the bachelor don't

11:18

necessarily also watch bravo. Don't necessarily

11:20

watch the challenge. Like, there's

11:22

there's more overlap in other pockets of the

11:24

reality TV universe.

11:25

So -- Right. -- what's it like being thrust

11:27

into, like, the public eye

11:29

and also, like, very specifically

11:31

part of, like, reality TV people.

11:33

Oh, well, this is, like, my first a

11:35

taste of it really because I pretty much, like, left

11:37

the show, went back to Virginia and stayed in

11:39

Virginia the past year. So it

11:42

was it was really fun. I mean, I think that you

11:44

kinda have a shared experience to people, you have,

11:46

like, common ground off the bat just because,

11:48

like, you were you were

11:50

exposed to, like, an audience or you had a

11:52

unique experience and you

11:54

kind of like have, yeah, this commonality off

11:56

the bat. But I had so much fun. I mean,

11:58

meaning all the those people at this

11:59

party, it was like, it was

12:02

very

12:03

It was very

12:04

exciting and very fun and, like, everyone I

12:06

I think that to an extent, like, if you go on reality

12:08

TV, there's probably an element of, like, like, mindedness

12:11

where you're, like, you have open mind to

12:13

certain things or you're maybe even a creative

12:15

or you've got, like, ambitions outside of

12:17

just being on reality TV. So it's

12:19

been fun, but this was really my

12:20

first taste of it. Do

12:22

you wanna

12:23

do more? Like, are you, like, I I wanna be

12:25

famous? Oh, do like, do you wanna go back on

12:27

reality TV or something? I don't

12:29

know. Like, do you you know, there's, like,

12:31

this concept of, like, Bachelor Nation,

12:33

which started as a joke, and now it's, like, kind

12:35

of real. Like,

12:38

do you do you wanna be, like, a

12:40

recurring active part of that? Like,

12:42

going to, like, you know, the Revolve parties

12:44

and going to Jingle Ball and sort

12:46

of, like, Yeah. On the circuit.

12:48

I

12:48

mean, honestly, I would be open

12:51

to it, but I think more than anything

12:53

like,

12:54

when I was out in LA this past week, I met so

12:56

many cool people. Mhmm. And

12:58

I think that, like, ultimately,

13:00

my goal in life is, like, I wanna have a

13:03

production company. I wanna documentaries. I

13:05

wanna meet interesting people, share a series

13:07

of adversity. Like, that is my goal.

13:09

And I'm gonna utilize

13:11

just about anything that I get

13:13

from any of this to do all of that.

13:15

Like, yeah, people I'm meeting, like, even at

13:17

the revolve event, like, I first walked in

13:19

and I don't know if there's about the same way, but I was

13:21

like, oh, this is kinda weird, like like everyone's

13:24

kind of like in their own little pockets and

13:26

stuff like that. And I was like, there was

13:28

a ferris wheel. And

13:30

it was like, no solo riders,

13:32

but we were a group of five. And I was like,

13:34

well, I'm gonna go find somebody. I went into, like, three

13:36

groups of people and, like, nobody would come

13:38

with me on the ride. And so finally, I met

13:40

this girl and I was like, I was like, no

13:42

pressure, but, like, I wanna go in the Paris field

13:44

and my friends are going. Will you come with me?

13:46

And this one girl was,

13:48

like, so sweet. And she was like, yeah. Let's do it.

13:50

And, like, we, like, filmed it. We had so much fun. It

13:52

was, like, such a nice, like, moment for

13:54

us. And then I felt, like, at that moment, like, the

13:56

energy shifted. And we just

13:58

started attracting, like, all these really nice

14:00

girls that were, like, coming over to us. We we

14:02

met, like, all these cool cool just, like,

14:04

amazing people. We met Chrissy, and I always

14:06

forget her last name. But she was the

14:08

sports illustrated model who had alopecia. She

14:10

was,

14:10

like, the first balled sports illustrated

14:13

model,

14:13

and then she came to a workout class with us

14:15

in the morning. So I mean, I one hundred

14:17

percent of open minded to the idea of, like, networking,

14:19

meeting people who are ambitious, people

14:21

who, like, wanna change the

14:23

world, who wanna do something good with whatever it is that

14:25

they've been given. And if that means,

14:27

like, networking at cool events and stuff like that,

14:29

like,

14:29

I'm all about it. Like, I feel like I can make

14:31

fun out of anything. So, like,

14:34

doesn't matter what the event is. I'm like, I'm gonna meet the good

14:36

people, and I'm gonna take them with me.

14:38

I think you're talking about Christie

14:40

Valdeseri who Yes.

14:42

Yes. Yeah. Which that's really cool. Who was the woman

14:44

who went on the Ferris field? Yeah. Her

14:46

name was Ashley. I don't

14:48

remember her last name either. We were

14:50

friends on ID. But I

14:52

never tagged on my I never tagged on the

14:54

road that football find it. Yeah. Yes.

14:56

Yes. She was beautiful. Actually, I could probably pull

14:58

it up too if you if you want her. Oh, good.

15:00

You know, I I can multitask. No problem.

15:02

Okay. What kind of documentaries do you

15:04

wanna make?

15:05

I would

15:07

love to do

15:09

I would love to do anything just like

15:12

storytelling, series of adversity. I

15:15

used to kind of do

15:17

like, just like passion projects

15:19

or just, like, and, like, literally interview

15:21

people

15:21

for kind of, like, the experience of, like,

15:24

gaining film

15:24

film making experience.

15:27

Uh-huh. Like,

15:28

you know, ten, fifteen minute long

15:30

pieces. Like, I did a little spotlight

15:32

on my little sister who was

15:35

in foster care for seven years before

15:37

my parents adopted her. And

15:39

she's just like one of the

15:41

most

15:41

would be the word

15:44

somebody that's like overcome something. She's

15:46

she's just so resilient.

15:49

Yeah. Exactly. She's very resilient.

15:52

Thanks, Yaron. Yeah.

15:53

I can give her the the help there.

15:55

She's very resilient and,

15:58

like, somebody like her. I mean, she's

15:59

she's a nurse. She lives in normal

16:02

life and she's

16:03

like, just as a wonderful human being, but I'm like, I

16:06

think that her story is so interesting

16:08

and I, like,

16:08

I wanna tell her story, and I wanna give her the

16:10

chance to, like, narrate it and see it back

16:13

and, like, let other people get insight to it. And

16:15

this was, like, couple years ago, they did that

16:17

for her. But, yeah, I think just any story of

16:19

adversity where especially,

16:21

like, women. I think there's, like, there's so many

16:23

amazing women out there that are doing really

16:25

cool things. And

16:27

it just it's just like a matter of like meeting them.

16:29

And when you meet them, like, I always think

16:31

I'm like, I wanna tell I wanna tell your story.

16:34

I haven't asked the year yet, but I'm like,

16:36

I wanna do, like, a little video with her before we

16:38

leave and get her on my blog just

16:40

because I think she's

16:41

such a strong, like, powerful woman

16:43

and she has helped, like, so

16:45

many of us. So

16:47

she's ever here making faces at me. Oh,

16:50

yeah. I think it's just so many amazing people that you

16:52

mean. It's, like, I want if I have any kind of

16:54

platform, like, I wanna use that platform

16:56

to highlight other amazing women that are doing

16:58

cool things. Very cool.

17:01

You know, what like, so what

17:03

are you doing now? Like, I know that you were

17:05

a videographer and, like, what's your what's your

17:07

source of income right now? So

17:09

right now, I have my videography business.

17:12

Susie Evans Media, and

17:14

I am doing my I

17:16

I was booked my last wedding, but then I picked up

17:18

one more because I can't stop working because it's just

17:21

who I am. So I'm doing a New Year's wedding

17:23

in Pittsburgh. Fun. Yeah. I'm

17:25

excited. I've never done in New Year's wedding

17:26

before. I've been to New

17:28

Year's wedding. It's awesome because you have plans, and you don't have

17:30

to

17:30

stress about it. And you're just like, I'm

17:33

sad. Located,

17:34

not have plans for New Year's. And I was like,

17:36

do I give up my New Year's? And I was like, what am I gonna do

17:38

in New Year's? So I took the wetting. I was like, okay.

17:40

I'll do it. So it's all my videography

17:43

business. Right now I

17:45

have, like, ten traveldestination

17:47

weddings booked next year, and that's all

17:49

I have, which is a little scary.

17:52

Because this year I did twenty two

17:54

weddings. I have twenty three

17:56

after this

17:57

next one. But

18:00

Yeah.

18:00

I think that I just

18:01

I knew that there was a possibility of moving with

18:04

Clayton and I and

18:06

I I

18:06

didn't wanna book too many weddings in Virginia. I

18:09

just have one right now in Virginia that I kind

18:11

of I booked away before. So,

18:13

like, obviously, stand by that, and I've

18:15

committed to that, and I'll fly back for it.

18:17

But I just have, like, ten travel

18:19

weddings, and then I'm kinda hoping to

18:21

break into the Palm Springs California

18:24

wedding destination scene.

18:26

I hear it's like a really big

18:28

wedding area. So that's it. Plan

18:30

right now. Yeah. So but I don't I have one contact there. She's

18:32

a photographer. And so

18:35

that's kind of the plan is,

18:37

like, Oh,

18:37

great. Try to break into that scene

18:40

and maybe get another ten for next

18:42

year hopefully. How

18:44

fascinating are you moving to LA? I am yeah. I was

18:46

back and forth about debate I was debating it,

18:48

debating it, debating it. And then I was there this

18:50

last week and I was like, okay. I met so

18:52

many good people, like, literally

18:54

so many amazing women. And I

18:57

just did not stop having amazing

19:00

conversations, like networking. And I was like, this is

19:02

definitely gonna be a

19:04

good

19:04

move for me even if --

19:05

Yeah. -- I'm doing I'm doing two temporary months,

19:08

like, at a furnished place. And then, like,

19:10

I'll go from there, you know. Think

19:12

if you wanna be a filmmaker, it definitely makes sense. I mean, you got it. It's like, you

19:14

know -- Yeah. -- going to the Manhattan.

19:18

No. The Palms the Palms Springs

19:21

thing is really funny. I feel like

19:22

you just probably need to,

19:24

like, hang

19:25

out at a couple of

19:25

the hotels and, like, talk to people and be

19:28

like, oh, you're looking to have your wedding here. Well, I'm a

19:30

videographer, so I'd I'd love to do that.

19:32

It's like it's so smart. You need to go,

19:34

like, get my business cards to the Yeah.

19:36

That's at some hotels or something. Just like

19:38

make a little make a little trip and do

19:40

some rounds there. Yeah. Seriously. You

19:42

know, it's so funny. Like,

19:45

I'm curious what it was like for you to watch the show -- Yeah. --

19:47

when you are making your own,

19:50

you know, like your own you're telling your

19:52

own stories focused on love. And

19:54

marriage. Like, so what was it like for you as, like,

19:56

an aspiring filmmaker and a current

19:59

videographer? Oh, you

19:59

know, and I I don't want to denigrate you in

20:02

any way. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

20:04

No. Like, But, like, what's it like watching

20:06

the show when you

20:08

are doing work that's similar and you aspire

20:10

to be doing unscripted work as

20:13

well, Like, when you did you get ideas? Like, what was

20:15

that experience like? That's a great

20:17

question. I've gotten that one.

20:20

Yes. Yeah. I know. Thank

20:22

you. Back up my

20:24

passions. It was

20:26

it was really interesting watching back.

20:28

I I think that there were times when it

20:30

felt like the weight of the world, especially because

20:32

I knew what happened as things

20:34

like progress. I knew how it was

20:37

gonna end. And I was also, like, figuring out if I

20:39

wanted to actually be in a relationship with Clayton,

20:41

like, we weren't officially together after the

20:43

show. So

20:44

or we weren't together after the

20:46

show. So it was really, really emotional

20:49

at times, but

20:51

I would actually do little watch parties with

20:54

friends. And sometimes I would be so

20:56

annoyed because I'm like, oh my god. I can't hear anything

20:58

that's happening. But honestly, it

21:00

was for the best. Like, looking back,

21:02

like, I haven't rewatched a single

21:04

episode because I am I get the IKE.

21:06

I am like, I can't go back and

21:08

watch this. Literally makes me crawl out of

21:10

my skin just like the

21:12

whole thing. So it was better

21:13

that I was, like, watching it in

21:16

a

21:16

distracted state

21:18

of mind. But as a

21:20

filmmaker and, like, as a videographer, it was interesting

21:22

to see how, like,

21:24

I was there for events that occurred, and then

21:26

I'm like, oh, this is how it played back. That's that's

21:29

interesting. Like, that's the this is the

21:31

narrative. So which is like all of the

21:33

narratives have some element of truth for sure. But

21:35

it's just like, you know,

21:36

there's your perspective, their perspective in the

21:38

truth. So, like, I think that was interesting to see how

21:40

it was, like, played out in a

21:43

a reality TV scenario.

21:46

But like, being a a wedding

21:48

videographer, like, it's

21:50

it

21:50

has given me some ideas where I think I could, like,

21:52

change my style a little bit to be more

21:54

even more, like, documentary style, which I

21:56

would love to just nervous to do my first wedding

21:59

like that. Like, I'd have to do it for free because

22:01

it'd be like a whole new style where I'd be like, oh,

22:03

let me just do this for free

22:05

and, like, if it turns out horrible, so

22:07

sorry. At least you're

22:09

not paying for it, you know. Yeah.

22:11

Yeah. And then it it's

22:13

definitely giving me some ideas of how, like,

22:15

I could do more unscripted stuff

22:17

and incorporate it into my style of

22:19

wedding videography. Yeah. How did you get

22:21

into by the way? I was a film

22:24

major in college, and

22:26

I always wanna do documentaries. I used

22:28

to wanna be an

22:30

underwater documentary filmmakers. Like, I wanted to

22:32

be, like, somebody in, like, scuba gear with, like, a

22:34

camera. Oh my god. Susie, I

22:36

have so much to say about that. Have you

22:38

watched James Cameron Secret of the whales on

22:40

National Geographic? No. But I'm

22:43

scared. Oh, but no. You just watch

22:45

it. Okay. It's good. Awesome.

22:47

Okay.

22:47

Good. I thought you were gonna say, like, something scary because, like, that's

22:49

ultimately what has prevented me is

22:51

that, like, I love the ocean, but

22:54

I realize that, like, when I go into

22:56

the I get some bad anxiety, so I

22:58

shouldn't be holding a camera. I

23:00

also love the ocean and I'm

23:02

obsessed with like ocean documentaries.

23:04

I also highly recommend Shark

23:06

Beach with Chris Hemsworth also on National Geographic.

23:08

I I basically talk about this on every podcast

23:10

now,

23:10

but I love all the celebrity vehicles

23:12

on National Geographic. So they're

23:14

legitimately good and the ones about, like,

23:17

documentaries about whales, I just find to

23:19

be, like,

23:19

so soothing. So it's, like, It's, like,

23:22

putting out it's, like, like, a, like, a

23:24

weighted blanket or, like, zan x-ray. I'm, like,

23:26

this is just a pain.

23:27

That's amazing. That's

23:29

the best in scripture of, like, a whale dog

23:31

commentary. So help me in. I'm gonna need you to, like, text those

23:33

over to me so I can -- Yeah. --

23:35

watch them next. But No problem. Yeah. But

23:37

that's how I got into it. I just I

23:39

studied filming one to do something

23:41

completely different. And then I didn't I

23:43

was a production assistant after college

23:46

slash waitress because that's what you become when you're a

23:48

film major. You know, there's there's

23:50

nothing to whisper about that. I

23:52

mean, you you gotta work. Right? Yeah.

23:54

I support it. I was waitressing last year

23:56

even, like, when I first

23:58

the I

23:59

so I twenty twenty my corporate job, and then

24:01

I started my video business, and then no

24:04

weddings happened in twenty twenty because

24:06

of

24:06

a novel coronavirus, if you've heard

24:08

of it. And then

24:10

I went back to corporate and

24:12

then re quit in twenty twenty one. So I

24:14

I had been doing weddings for,

24:16

like, really cheap. And

24:18

I just I just

24:19

kinda picked it up at a front that did wedding

24:21

photography. And she was like, I need a videographer. So

24:25

Yeah. It

24:25

was like a stressful time in my life because I was

24:27

very poor. But, you know, this

24:29

this starving artist, like, you know, I didn't.

24:32

And then -- Yeah. -- then I

24:34

guess. But another reason to move to LA. I think find

24:36

many people doing the same thing. There's no blizzard.

24:38

It's like it's a it's a way of life.

24:40

I mean, also it's also kind of like

24:43

think having flexibility when you wanna do something creative is also really

24:45

great. So, like, I don't know. I support

24:47

it. I know. Sierra actually asked me if

24:49

I wanted a position at her job, and I was like,

24:51

maybe. But then I was like, how flexible

24:53

is it? Because, like, if I need to go to, I

24:55

don't know,

24:56

Thailand on

24:57

a Tuesday, I'm going. You know?

25:00

I'm like, and I don't blame you. A lot

25:02

of deep sea to check out there. Yeah.

25:04

I haven't asked about Clayton. I honestly don't

25:06

care that much about Clayton to be to be frank, but

25:08

I do have

25:08

some questions about, like,

25:10

Okay. Relationship. And I'm sort of

25:13

curious, like, what's

25:13

it like dating someone

25:15

who is very publicly being

25:17

scrutinized and more of a criticized? Like,

25:20

as the partner

25:21

like, what's

25:22

that like? Yeah. It's

25:23

a it's emotionally taxing for

25:26

sure. The

25:27

truth of the matter is that Clayton is like a

25:29

wonderful person. He has a genuine heart.

25:32

He's a good soul. And

25:34

I can boughage for his character and I would not boughage for

25:36

his

25:36

character if I thought otherwise. Like, he

25:38

is genuinely

25:39

a good soul,

25:41

a good person. But

25:44

I understand why there was so much criticism

25:47

against

25:47

him the way everything happened

25:50

and and Like, I

25:52

mean, it was it was complex for me

25:54

to be there. You know, it was like, this it was

25:56

hard to stand

25:57

by, but

26:00

it

26:00

was a choice that I made to stand by him and and

26:03

definitely, like, tested my

26:06

abilities to, like, stand by somebody. And

26:08

At the end of the day, I knew where his heart was and he knew

26:10

it was in a genuine place. So

26:14

that's ultimately, like, how I was able to

26:16

do so. Why don't

26:17

you guys break up? I genuinely

26:19

like, I really enjoyed his season, but then I sort

26:21

of like I don't know.

26:22

Like, I I was really interested to talk to

26:24

you and, like, curious about what this whole experience has

26:26

been like. Mhmm. But I also sort

26:29

of it's funny, like, this just might be because

26:31

I'm getting older. I was

26:31

like, okay. Well, luck to them. I just sort of so I

26:34

I don't even know why you guys broke

26:36

up. Yeah. I

26:38

think that off the bat, like, we

26:40

weren't entirely compatible. And

26:42

when I was in Iceland, I just, like, didn't I

26:44

just felt like I didn't even

26:47

know him enough in

26:48

general to wanna commit

26:51

to move

26:52

forward. And I also knows, like, if you

26:54

are, like, literally in love with other people,

26:56

I can't start a healthy relationship like this.

26:58

Like, this is, you know, for me to

27:00

move forward in a healthy environment. And

27:03

people can say, oh, they want, like, oh, you know what you

27:05

signed up for, like, you know what you're doing, but, like, Okay.

27:07

That's fine. I don't have to bring this home with me

27:09

if I don't want to. Like, this is

27:11

my actual life. So, like, y'all can

27:13

say whatever you want about

27:16

people

27:16

knowing what they signed up for, like, ultimately, the

27:18

end of the day, this is like a social experiment. This

27:20

is my real life, and I'm not

27:23

gonna pretend to be okay with

27:25

anything ever that I have to, you know,

27:27

bring home to my my real life. Like,

27:29

yeah. You know? So

27:31

I think

27:33

we in general, personally,

27:36

I don't think that, like, the backseat or the backseat, it

27:38

gives you enough time with you each

27:40

other. And so Of course not. I don't yeah. I

27:42

just think that, like, there's a

27:45

chance that it

27:45

might work out

27:47

in the real world, and that would be,

27:49

like, by the the grace of God. You

27:51

know what I mean? Like, that's the

27:53

very

27:53

small percentage of people that happen to

27:56

have, like, real compatibility and they just

27:58

happen to work out as the

27:59

show ends and you go home

28:01

and you, like, integrate back into the real world.

28:03

So I think that there was

28:05

an element of, like, you

28:07

know, not real compatibility at

28:09

the beginning, but we went through

28:11

something so

28:13

incredibly challenging together

28:16

that I think it kind of yeah.

28:18

It did. It probably did. And I hate

28:20

to use the word, like, Tramoban, but, like, speaking

28:23

with you. Like, I don't wanna say that, but, like,

28:25

we probably went through something that was, like,

28:27

very traumatic. We support each other through

28:29

it. At the end of the day, we love each

28:31

other on, like, a human friendship level.

28:33

And then, of course, we had, like,

28:36

chemistry and, you know,

28:38

actual, like, relationship love as

28:40

well. So It was like

28:42

it was very tough. It was a tough relationship to

28:44

being because it there was so much, like,

28:45

emotional trauma from the

28:48

experience.

28:49

And I think that and the reason

28:52

why we broke up, I just think it came down to

28:54

compatibility. Like, I wanted different

28:56

things in a partner

28:57

And I

28:58

think he wanted different things in a partner.

29:01

Mhmm. Would

29:01

you ever go on a social experiment to

29:03

find a partner again?

29:04

Think everyone is such a

29:06

great question. I don't I

29:09

did certainly don't feel called too at this

29:11

point. Like, people keep asking, oh, would you do

29:13

paradise next year? And it really does, like,

29:15

I joke, but it really does sound like my nightmare. Like,

29:17

I do not wanna be in a substitute on camera.

29:19

Like, that does not sound like,

29:21

a place in which I'm gonna thrive emotionally

29:24

even that, like,

29:26

that element of it. And then it's, like, you

29:28

throw in

29:30

people

29:30

that you, like, know casually

29:33

and, like, all these really good

29:35

looking people and you know that there

29:37

is going to be a plot to some point. Like, it's

29:39

not gonna be it's

29:41

not just gonna be, like,

29:43

oh, here go have fun. It's like, there's

29:45

a plot twist. There's emotional

29:48

turmoil. Like, it's gonna

29:50

be brutal, probably. So it's not like

29:52

appealing to me at

29:54

this point. And

29:56

even Clayton and I talked about it. And I'm like, am I

29:58

seeing you on my TV next

29:59

year? But

30:03

I hope not. Hopefully, I'm in a relationship

30:05

by then. I hope that

30:07

for you too. Susie brought up something

30:09

just now that I think is so

30:11

universal and seemingly so obvious.

30:13

And very

30:14

little discussed, which is the discomfort

30:16

of constantly being innovating suit

30:18

on camera. I know.

30:21

And what

30:21

that was like? Because I'm gonna be honest, like, some of the

30:23

moments from from Clayton season and your your time

30:25

on the show that stands out the most for me was

30:27

you guys in, like, you know,

30:30

in swimsuits, in Iceland. And

30:32

-- Sure. --

30:33

I

30:34

think, like, that one of the conversations

30:36

that sort of, like, around the bachelor but not

30:38

in or on the bachelor is like about like body diversity

30:40

and just sort of like in

30:42

general how men and

30:44

women's bodies are like treated and and

30:47

viewed. On the show.

30:50

And I think like, and there is a fair fair

30:52

amount of conversation about, like, mental health

30:53

after being on the show, but I actually think

30:56

I I really grateful you brought that up because I

30:58

think that's just, like, so not discussed. And,

31:00

like, what was what was that like having

31:02

cameras when you're in a bathing suit? And

31:04

then also, like, having to see yourself on

31:06

TV in a bathing suit. Oh,

31:08

yeah. It wasn't wasn't like

31:11

my favorite thing. Like,

31:13

I know, like, the first

31:15

the

31:15

first episode, I was in a swimsuit,

31:18

but it was a one piece and I felt way more

31:20

comfortable. The second time

31:22

I was in a swimsuit on camera was,

31:24

like, in

31:25

Iceland. And I

31:27

think in general, for me,

31:29

like, that's just

31:32

think that I was self conscious that

31:34

entire day just because I knew I was in a

31:36

swimsuit. If that makes sense, like, I was like,

31:38

this is like, not that I'm

31:40

afraid of anybody, like, see

31:43

me, but I'm just not that

31:45

comfortable in general. Like,

31:47

if I'm at a pool, like, I'm probably gonna

31:49

have

31:49

a cover up on personally. But

31:51

that's, like, more of just, like, I

31:53

just get

31:54

on like, that's who I am.

31:56

I know that's I think that's really common. I think

31:59

what's funny Maybe

32:00

I'm, like, projecting, but, like, I just

32:01

think that that's, like, so

32:04

normal and, like, so common. And

32:06

it's it's funny how, like, reality TV

32:08

and I watch a lot of not just the bachelor.

32:10

Like, it's such a distorted

32:12

view. I think of how people feel

32:14

about, like, just, you

32:16

know, being scene and different, like, benefits and stuff. I don't know.

32:18

Was that something that occurred to you before you went on that, like,

32:20

maybe that'd be a point of discomfort? Yeah.

32:22

For sure. I think that like,

32:24

I've definitely struggled with my body

32:26

image. You don't

32:27

have to talk about it then if you don't want to continue.

32:29

Oh my gosh.

32:29

No. I appreciate you saying that, but no. I'm I'm fine

32:32

to talk about it. I actually think it's to

32:34

talk about it because, I mean, even

32:36

watching that scene back in Iceland, I noticed my

32:38

posture was so poor because

32:40

I was, like, So, I

32:41

mean, and and and nothing against the show. Like, it's, like, what

32:43

an incredible day. Like, how fun? And if you're

32:45

with your partner and you're in

32:48

Iceland, like, you feel confident and

32:50

you, like, enjoy that. And it's supposed to simulate,

32:52

like, a real life experience, which would be a real life

32:54

experience if you're in Iceland. Like, you're gonna

32:56

go to one of these spots or

32:58

whatever. But for me, like,

33:00

yeah, that's, like, one of the things I couldn't get out of

33:02

my head about there being cameras around. So, like,

33:04

even, like, kissing on camera was so

33:06

weird. Like, all of it was, like, I can't even imagine. Yeah. I

33:08

know. Like, I I literally was

33:10

so uncomfortable about just most

33:12

everything, but But, yeah,

33:13

that was something I definitely thought about. And I and

33:16

even like the thumbnails from that episode, I'm like, oh

33:18

my gosh. Like, I don't want this, like I don't wanna see

33:20

this because my posture was so bad because when

33:22

you feel uncomfortably, you try to, like, shrink yourself,

33:25

you know. Yeah. That makes it even worse and

33:27

I remember watching it back and been like, oh, I should've just

33:29

been, like, so confident. Like, I should have

33:31

my shoulders back, but, like, That's just

33:33

not my reality. So

33:35

yeah. It's it's good I think it's

33:37

good to talk about it, though, because it is -- I agree.

33:39

-- like, I think that And

33:40

I think it's wonderful that it like,

33:43

there's people that are confident and feel

33:45

great doing it. And I I think everyone

33:47

should, but it's just not that

33:49

natural. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

33:51

And I have to say, you know, I

33:53

think you looked beautiful and

33:55

looked great

33:55

throughout the show, which I think

33:56

also is kind of irrelevant. If you didn't feel that way, like, I'm

33:59

sorry I'm sorry to hear that. But

34:01

I I will say, I do think your

34:03

discomfort with the experience came through. And I don't think it's

34:05

just I don't think it's because of your

34:07

posture. But it's it was sort of, like, clear that you

34:09

were thinking a lot, that you were, like, processing

34:11

things and, like, gauging your

34:13

own comfort. And I

34:16

think that, like, that actually it was, like, it's really compelling television

34:19

and probably very hard to

34:21

live through. And so I

34:23

can't even imagine what that's like. What was like for

34:25

your family to watch you? When because I you know, I

34:27

just think that very

34:28

often, people just they just take the leap.

34:30

And

34:30

I don't not like and and no it's not like a

34:32

good or bad thing to do it or not do it, but, like, the show encourages

34:35

it. Right? And, like,

34:35

you we definitely saw that with Gabby when

34:38

she was at. I think Rachel was

34:40

really hoping for it when she was about to at. And

34:42

with you, it was clear there was, like, there was

34:44

hesitation and you had hold

34:46

up. So What was it like for the

34:48

people who know you and love you to

34:50

experience that through TV and not in

34:52

real

34:53

yeah time? Yeah.

34:54

I think it

34:55

was my parents and

34:57

my family in general are like the

35:00

most supportive people. And

35:02

I think that,

35:03

like, when Clayton came home to meet my

35:05

family, the producers everybody said this is

35:07

the easiest hometown we've ever had.

35:10

Right. Like, in regards to your family, Yeah. They're the

35:12

most chill people. Like, the whole day, the

35:14

person's like, oh, are you nervous for him to meet your dad? I'm

35:16

like, literally no. Like Clayton should be nervous

35:18

to meet me. Like, my parents

35:20

know that I am, like, the

35:22

hardest, not not in a bad way, but,

35:24

like, I hold my partners to a

35:26

higher standard than like, I

35:27

would say most people do. So,

35:30

like, my parents are always,

35:31

like,

35:32

we will embrace whoever you choose. Like, obviously,

35:34

if there was, like, something bad to happening,

35:36

but parents would say something, but

35:38

my parents are like, they're not gonna judge somebody

35:40

based

35:40

on an hour conversation.

35:43

Unless there

35:45

was, like, major red flags or whatever. But, like, my parents are, like, we

35:47

trust Susie, like, you know, whatever you wanna

35:49

do, we're gonna support you, and and we

35:51

are going to

35:54

embrace whoever you choose, but, like, it was my decision not to get

35:56

engaged. It

35:57

was, like, there was the opportunity to

35:59

get

35:59

engaged at what, you know, wherever we

36:02

wanted to, And I was it's

36:04

a no from me. You know? Like, I am

36:06

not putting a ring on my finger. And I

36:08

was very adamant about that

36:12

throughout like,

36:12

pretty much from the time that I made

36:14

that

36:14

decision in Iceland up until the final show, I

36:16

was not gonna put a ring in my finger

36:18

because I don't want to. Yeah.

36:21

And there nobody was gonna convince me otherwise.

36:24

So, like, that to me,

36:25

it's like and my parents know,

36:27

like, they're not gonna say they're not gonna

36:29

sit there and try to convince

36:31

me of anything either direction unless there was, like, actually a major red

36:34

flag of, like, this person has a

36:36

character flaw. And

36:38

obviously, with them knowing the behind the scenes and, like, all the stuff

36:40

that, like, the

36:41

world doesn't know, they also had, like,

36:43

empathy and understanding of

36:45

the situation. But

36:48

They were very supportive. My brother cried on one

36:50

of the episodes. I wanna say oh,

36:53

yeah.

36:53

It was a Fantasy

36:54

Suite episode. I

36:56

was sitting beside him and he just, like, looked over at me

36:58

and tears

36:59

in his eyes and, like, we're not, like, a super affectionate

37:01

family, but he just reached over and, like, grab my

37:03

hand. He was, like, I'm

37:05

so proud of you. Like, I just want

37:07

you to know, like, I I really

37:09

admire you. And my brother actually didn't know that I

37:11

was with Clayton at the time. They didn't find out until, like,

37:13

the week of the finale. So Yeah.

37:16

It

37:16

was very supportive.

37:18

of

37:19

Wow. That's

37:22

really sweet.

37:22

Have you watched any of the other dating shows?

37:24

Like, have you watched Love's Blind or The Ultimatum

37:26

or, like, anything like that? I

37:28

did in twenty twenty. So, like, I

37:30

watched Love's Blind the first season. I

37:32

watched I wanna say

37:34

it was called

37:36

Love Island. Oh, yeah.

37:38

Yeah. Love Island is very popular,

37:42

Susie. Yeah. I wanna say that one show yeah.

37:44

No. It was just twenty twenty, though. It

37:46

was the year of, like, reality

37:48

TV. So haven't really watched any

37:50

sense, but I'm I've actually decided I'm gonna

37:52

try to I'm gonna try to get

37:54

into it. I'm sure I will. There'll be a big fan

37:56

of stuff. But, like, I What are you gonna

37:58

get into? That's a good question. What should I what should I watch? What is the

37:59

one? If you wanna have

38:02

the most fun, I'd say Blodex sailing yacht

38:04

and Blodex in general. Just a

38:06

great show. Okay. That's what's

38:08

done. I could see you on below

38:09

deck, actually. Like, I could

38:11

see applications. I don't know. Like, do you wanna

38:13

be a Yati? I could see you be on

38:15

a deck hand. I would so be a deckhand. Or I'll scrub

38:17

the barnacles off the bottom of the boat. What does that job?

38:20

Yeah. That's being a deckhand. You'd be a

38:22

deckhand. I would

38:23

I would it. I could see you being on BluDAQ. Would you go on

38:26

another reality show even if it's, like, would you

38:28

be a bachelorette and would you go on a reality

38:30

show? Two very different

38:32

questions, but I

38:34

actually joke. I keep joking because

38:36

people keep asking it. And the producers are probably,

38:38

like, so annoyed at me. I keep

38:40

saying if they wanna make me an executive producer, eventually.

38:44

But I know they will never do that, but

38:46

I'm like, if I had creative control, if I

38:48

had control over a season of it, then

38:50

yeah, I would do it. I don't

38:52

see Mike Weiss agreeing to that. Mike

38:54

Weiss,

38:54

if you're listening,

38:56

we could be

38:56

best to use. Like, just naming executive producer.

38:58

Like, this shows wouldn't be, like, so

39:00

elevated. I have so many ideas. It's gonna be

39:03

great. But also, I just want

39:05

that producer credit on, you

39:08

know, my I see me. I'm just kidding. No. You need

39:10

it. You you're you're trying to make a career

39:12

here. I I admire it.

39:14

Thank you. As far as,

39:16

like, reality TV goes, like,

39:18

something like blow deck. I mean, I I've seen some

39:20

previews and, like, I might even seen an episode.

39:22

That actually sounds so fun. I think just

39:24

like a show in which my emotional well-being

39:26

isn't being, like, exploited for entertainment, which,

39:28

like, who doesn't love who doesn't love that? Like,

39:30

that sounds great. But

39:32

but, yeah, something like below deck.

39:34

That would be so fun. Like, I

39:36

think it would be

39:37

fun to do something

39:40

like that. But

39:41

Are you an athlete

39:43

at all? I did you did so. Oh,

39:45

wait. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you should go on the

39:47

challenge. That's also, like, seems a little

39:49

bit more fun. I get the impression you are an

39:52

extrovert based on this

39:54

conversation and might, like, the sort of,

39:56

like, the like, a group reality show versus, like, an

39:58

individual competition. 0II

40:00

actually think

40:00

that, like, to an extent, that's for sure

40:02

accurate. I feel like I'm in

40:05

extravert. I'm really good at

40:07

being an extrovert,

40:07

but I love being

40:10

an introvert. Like, I'm such a lone wolf.

40:12

My dad's always like telling

40:13

me, he's like, nobody ever knows, but you're such

40:15

a loner. Like, I just even it's a

40:17

high schooler, like, I'm I was always so

40:19

social, but, like, catch me Friday night and my room

40:21

on my laptop top, like, on a chatroulette or doing

40:23

some crazy stuff as a teenager. Like, he's

40:26

doing weird stuff. Like, I think,

40:28

yes. I mean, I'm great at being extrovert

40:30

and I and I love humans,

40:32

but, like, I recharge a loan for

40:34

sure. I recently told, like,

40:36

many people in my life that I I don't like

40:38

hanging out at night and, like, I'd be happy to

40:40

see you between the hours of, like, nine and seven and

40:42

afterwards, probably not. So --

40:44

Yep. -- I understand. Literally, I'm,

40:46

like, nine

40:48

and seven, the average work day when most people are not able to hang out. I'm happy

40:50

to see you. But then after that, no.

40:52

Well, you know, that's just

40:54

the work day on it.

40:57

Yeah. The work day you interact with people. So

40:59

it's it's a lot. I have

41:01

one more question for

41:04

you. Have you and Hannah Brown ever been

41:06

in the same room? When you

41:07

like to

41:09

know? It's uncanny, Susie.

41:11

Oh

41:11

my god. Well, I'm flattered because I

41:14

think she's so beautiful. So thank

41:16

you. But, no, we've never been in the

41:18

same room. So nobody's ever seen

41:20

us the

41:22

same you know, at the same time, at the same place. So I don't know.

41:24

When I saw the clips of you on the vinyl

41:26

files on, like, Instagram, I was like, oh, Hannah

41:28

was on his show, and then I realized it was

41:32

you. My god. I'm so flooded. I will say, like,

41:34

I I sometimes I'm

41:35

still caught off guard by

41:36

it, but, like, sometimes I will see a picture of

41:39

her and think, like, when did I

41:41

get so hot. Like, I literally like, oh my

41:43

god. I'm like, who I'm like, who is she?

41:45

Who captured this candidate of me? And

41:48

then I realized I'm like, oh,

41:50

that's, like, that's Hannah Brown. Like, I was I was thinking it's funny people call

41:52

me call me the Walmart version of Hannah

41:54

Brown. And I was like, honestly, I'll

41:56

take it. Like,

41:58

thank you.

41:58

III

41:59

can't be sure we never said

42:02

that. So I apologize

42:04

if we did. No. I'm flattered.

42:08

I'm flat heard. Walmart has everything. You know what I mean? So Great

42:10

prices. Great. Exactly. I'm

42:12

Hannah Brown at a great

42:14

price. That's a perfect note

42:16

to wrap than that.

42:18

Susie, it was really lovely chatting with

42:20

you. I wish you the best of luck

42:22

in your career and finding your your

42:25

your niche in Palm Springs. Looking forward to

42:26

seeing what you do next.

42:30

Yeah. And thank you to Erica Sarbanes

42:32

for

42:33

producing this episode. And hope you

42:36

all

42:37

have a great

42:40

weekend.