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Welcome to Back Pages bringing you everything you

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need to know about the biggest sports stories

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making the headlines in the morning's newspapers. I'm

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Teddy Draper and joining me at ESPN's senior

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writer Mark Ogden and the Mirror's chief football

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writer John Cross. Welcome

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to your buzz. Okay,

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so Anna Slott is heading to

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Anfield. Let's see what the papers

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make of it. John, your paper,

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the Backpage of the Mirror, best

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job in the world. What did

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you make of Jurgen Klopp's endorsement

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of Anna Slott? He did his best to

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suggest he didn't know too much about it, didn't he?

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Yeah, he was really enthusiastic though

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overall, wasn't he? He was trying

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to initially play it down and then

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I think when it became obvious that

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it was indeed happening in the next

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sort of day or so, since that

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press conference, of course, it's been sort

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of confirmed by a lot of

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incredibly well-informed writers that everything is

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agreed. It seems like about eight

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million rising to ten, doesn't it,

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with a couple of add-ons. But

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I do think, you touched on

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it, Teddy, a really good column

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and interesting in the Telegraph.

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Jamie Carragher, Liverpool legend, indeed,

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of this parish on Sky, always

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writes a really eloquent and excellent

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column, I think, in the paper

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on a Saturday and really takes

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apart that decision and that gamble

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almost as he describes it on

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Slott. There's the headline there, Anfield

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gambling on Slott being the next

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big thing. What fascinates me

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about this is that if we remember

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back to when Jurgen Klopp was appointed,

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and I think this is the point that almost

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people miss, is that Klopp was hugely

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established on the European scene

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as a real big hitter.

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He'd taken on Dortmund,

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Munich, gone toe-to-toe with

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them, denied them

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titles, really produced

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a fantastic brand of football. He

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was on the radar of many

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English clubs. Liverpool went

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for him but he was really well known

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well sought after and the difference here with

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Arna Slott is obvious he is still a

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manager developing. Yes he's had a couple

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of seasons at Firenord and he's

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without a shadow of a doubt playing fantastic

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football, a sort of brand of football that

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fits with the Liverpool model and certainly the

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clock vision but I really

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like something that Paul Joyce wrote in The Times

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the other day he spoke to Sander Westerveld who

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knows Slott well and gave

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a bit of context about just the

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job that Slott has done taking them

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really from sort of the depths of

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despair if you like really built up

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a team and made great progression but

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having said all that is he really

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established on Europe's top stage ready to

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take on one of the Premier League's

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elite clubs that's the gamble. I do

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think I must agree with Jamie Carrey

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I do think it's a gamble it's

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a bold decision bold appointment you know

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let's see if it works but it

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really does feel like you know in

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the gamble territory I must say. Yeah

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Mark the thrust of the piece is a comparison isn't it

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between the arrival of Jurgen Klopp at the back end of 2015 and the

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prospective arrival of Arna Slott this year. Carrey

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says Klopp was the real deal when he

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arrived backing up what John was saying there

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and his blend of tactical genius and bond

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with fans will be hard to replicate. Does

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that comparison as well boil down

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to a comparison between the Bundesliga and the Eurodivisie,

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Mark we've seen obviously Eric Tenharg toil a bit

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players toil a bit from from Dutch's league is

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that where it comes down to because if you

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can beat Bayern in the Bundesliga it's a great

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yardstick isn't it? Yeah

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I mean look the Dutch league as we know in the

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last maybe 10-12 years in terms of players and in terms

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of coaches nobody's really come over to the Premier League and

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hit it off straight away it's been a struggle because there's

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a there's a massive dogma between the leagues and I think

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I've seen a lot of comparisons this week between how a

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fine odd play and how Liverpool play and how their stats

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are better than Liverpool's well they will be because the Dutch

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league and you know if Liverpool are playing nothing with Forest

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or Burnley one of the teams at the bottom end of

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the Premier League you know they're in for a real tough

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game is it the same for a fine odd or PSV

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when they're playing the teams that are learning in the Dutch

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league so you have to be honest with me. have to

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put that into context. And it is a gamble in

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the sense that Liverpool are a club that are European

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royalty, let's say on the season, six champions leagues, they

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expect to win it every time they're in it. And

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the slot's managed six games in the Champions

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League, he's had one season, he's lost four times.

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So his Champions League pedigree does not match

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what Liverpool expect. But the market

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that we're in this season, obviously with managers,

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it's a tough one. There's no obvious candidates

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out there that there are some big hitters

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available this summer, Jose Mourinho, Antonio Conte, Thomas

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Tuca, but it feels like those days have

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passed, you know, that that there, whether it's

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their temperament, their demands, their two challenging for the sporting

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directors, whatever it is that club seems to have moved

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away from that to a younger model, whereby on a

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slide is the example, I guess that somebody's younger,

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what's the move, what's the make his name in

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the game, prepared to work within the system that

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clubs want to adopt. But for a

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clip at Liverpool, you need a coach that's

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proven, but also you need a character. I think, you

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know, replacing your club is an impossibility, because

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he is like a rockstar of a manager,

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isn't he? Absolutely everything you'd want. He's got

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personality, tactical nerves to players, the fans love

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him, and he wins things. To

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find somebody who can do all of that in one place

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is really hard. So Liverpool have taken a gamble. Jaby

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Alonso is not available. Ruben Amareem, if they're ever

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in for him, he was like, I think 20 million

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euros, the skate loss, so massive money. So Arnus Lott

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is the one they've taken a gamble on. But

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I think a lot of people have yet to be convinced, but Liverpool

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know better than wrestlers because they've stood up the data

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and they think this guy's the real deal, but it's

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a massive, massive challenge. Well, John,

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before even our time, we wanted to pass Masters

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succession plans, weren't they? Look at Shankly to Paisley,

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are going to be the greatest succession, I think,

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in terms of what Paisley achieved in history. Klopp

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calls it the best job in the world on

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the back page of the Sun as well and

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the mirror. Do you feel, though, that it's a

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job for a potential candidate, a bit like they

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signed players with the financial situation, that perhaps they're

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not able to shop at the top of the

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tree for managers as well as players? Yeah,

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maybe that's an element of it. I

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think the biggest deciding factor over him

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potentially for

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an example, as an Amaran, perhaps,

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is his style of football. It

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is high octane. energetic. They

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are trying to replicate, I think, the

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kind of really fast

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front football that, you know, Anfield has become

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used to and has welcomed and has loved,

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frankly. And, you know, if they can sort

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of replicate that and get on the same

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sort of kind of, you

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know, page as Jurgen Klopp

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has produced, then that's, you know, that's the

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obvious answer. That's why they've gone for this

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guy, really. I do think he's

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got, he immediately inherits a squad

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in a strange place because, I

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mean, you know, Virgil van Dijk has been

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a fabulous sign in for him. What a

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play. He's been one of the true Premier

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League greats. But he's kind of almost coming

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towards the end a little bit, you know,

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what does the future hold for him? The

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same for Mo Salah. I mean, it's incredible.

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Mo Salah has been so effective, so prolific,

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so resilient and reliable. But

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this season, in recent times, he has

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felt, you know, the pressure and strain,

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perhaps, of injuries as well. So does

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the squad need a little bit of

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a turnover, if you like? You know,

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he's got issues to solve, I think.

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So he's not inheriting a team that's

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immediately gonna, you know, go

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in and expect to be challenging for the title

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again next season. I do think it's a squad

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that needs work. It's in a very good place

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at the moment. Please don't get me wrong. But

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I just feel as if he's got a few

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question marks immediately to answer, you know,

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does he go for the future with van Dijk? Does

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he go with Salah? Or maybe there'll be a big

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offer from Salah again with Salah. Is it time to

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start afresh? There are dilemmas

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immediately, you know, with the managers.

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Some managers are sort of blessed to go into

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a squad. They pick up the reins and immediately

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go again. I do think this guy will come

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in and basically just have a few dilemmas, a

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few sort of kind of questions to answer. So,

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you know, if it wasn't a big enough job already, I

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do think there's sort of dilemmas facing them straight

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away. Absolutely fascinating time for Liverpool.

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Of course, if they win at West Ham, their

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back level on points with Arsenal, perhaps the title

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race, isn't done just yet. Mark, let's go to

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Arsenal, either North London, Derby, Lums Lodge, Sunday afternoon,

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Backpage of the Sun. I think it

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works better visually than me saying Vengen a

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prayer. Obviously it's been on wing in a

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prayer. Mikel Pre-Darby chats

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to Arsenal legend gives title race advice.

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How do you think this compares to

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some of the best Arsenal teams under Vengen this

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side under Mikel Arteta? I

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mean, first of all, I can't believe it's 20 years

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this week since the Invincibles won the Tottenham to win

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the league. It just seems ridiculous that time

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has flown that fast. But, you know,

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that was such a great team, the Invincibles team,

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that Van Rijen and Villarreal at.

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The only thing I'm going to be honest is that if

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you had to ask, this current Arsenal team would get an

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Invincibles team. I don't think any would. I think that, you

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know, Old Guard and Saka would be knocking on the door,

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Declan Rice, but Declan Rice wouldn't get in

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ahead of Patrick Vieira. So I think that team set

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the standard. You know, that was an amazing team that

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Arsenal and Vengen built. And the one in 1998, which

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won the double, another great team. So I

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think this team that Michael Arteta's building is certainly

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growing and it's got potential to be a great Arsenal side.

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But I still think it's maybe a couple of years away

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from being anywhere near those, you

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know, absolute vintage teams and, you know, recency

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bias comes into it quite a lot. But

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they were amazing teams. So I

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don't think to compare to those teams is

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a fair comparison for Michael Arteta. He just needs to

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win the title. If he wins

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the title as Arsenal manager, I don't think Arsenal

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have ever waited so long between titles as 20

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years. So it's a massive chance for Arteta to

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actually get over the line. But if they do,

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this team will certainly be remembered alongside the greats

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of the past. But it's going to be tough.

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But obviously, if they can win a

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tournament at the weekend, it gives them a massive chance.

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Obviously, since he got the advantage. But this Arsenal team

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is not going anywhere apart from all. But

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to compare it to the greats of the past, I still think it's a bit

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too early for that to share. John, what's your

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take? We saw the times there with interesting

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headline, the Kingmakers, didn't it? Tottenham players' picture

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because they get to play all the title

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candidates. Tottenham can decide title racing matches against

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Arsenal and Manchester City there on the back

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page of the times. Where do you think

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this Arsenal side would rank if they could

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beat Tottenham on Sunday and then win the

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title? Is there a context to say with

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this Pep Guardiola's man city that it

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would rank with the best of Wenger's work, George Graham,

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etc? Chapman? I

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actually think that as each year

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goes by with the Premier League

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it becomes tougher and tougher and

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it's almost impossible to compare and

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judge against previous successes. But I

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do think that Wenger built an

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incredible legacy in Dinsley at Arsenal

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and I think that the

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very fact that he won the title

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in 2004 unbeaten with the invincible side

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not losing a single match in that

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success is something that's never

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been repeated, arguably never will be. If

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Man City, the greatest team in my opinion of

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the Premier League era can't do it then

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that just sets apart that achievement doesn't it

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really? But I do think Mark's right, I

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think they're a team very much on the

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way up, I think they're making incredible strides,

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I think it might yet still be next

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season before they do take that next step

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if you like and

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win the title. But they are building a super

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team, Odegard, he's got to be in the running

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for player of the year isn't he and

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Declan Rice has had a fabulous first season at

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the club so they are making great strides

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but this is a huge test on

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Sunday because Spurs haven't played for 15

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days, during that time Arsenal have played

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four huge games so it is a

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big test but look you could flip

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it on its head and say if

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Arsenal win that game at Tottenham then

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it will suddenly strengthen their belief no

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end that they still have a chance.

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Yes City they have that game in

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hand, there's still only a point behind

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but this time Arsenal go first and

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then of course City have to play

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at Forest don't they later on

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that Sunday afternoon and that applies a little bit

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of pressure and that's all Arsenal can do and

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I do think that they are a team really

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going places under Meccan Al-Takta and I think they're

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making fabulous strides but I agree with Mark they've

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still got a little bit of way yet to

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kind of keep up

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with one of the true great eras of

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the Premier League title and sort of success

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which was under Arsenal and Wenger. The gents

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the break is knocking but quickly predictions then

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Telegraph Sport, John, Do or Die, Derby, Arsenal

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put title hopes in the line what's your

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prediction for Sunday. Well,

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we were cruelly asked actually for our predictions, so I

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don't know whether they've made the paper or not, but

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I can't say different. I've gone for

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two to... Two to... like earlier in the season, yes.

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History repeats itself. What about you, Mark? Yeah,

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I think it's going to be a draw, but I think Tottenham have got a

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massive stay in the title race. They've got to play Arsenal and put it into the

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City, yeah, and I think it can beat

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Arsenal or City, but I think this weekend it'll be

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a draw. And if they beat City, then it's back

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in Arsenal. Let's get, though, first of all to Marcus

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Rashford and Eric Tenhargse, comments about him.

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Mark, what did you make of them say, help

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out Rash is the back page of the star.

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Rashford's been responding to criticism of him

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online, saying it's out

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of line. Eric Tenhargse sort of equivocating a little bit,

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wasn't he, in his press conference talking about Rashford? Yeah,

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it was kind of qualified support, wasn't it? I think, you

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know, Marcus has had a very difficult season. I

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think there's a difference between abuse

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and criticism. And I think criticism that

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he's had has been valid because he's not performed

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well. He's, you know, he's crossed line a couple

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of times in terms of discipline, going to Belfast,

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as you know, in the time he was having

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a birthday party after losing to Manchester Derby in

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Manchester, but I think the

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abuse that goes his way is obviously prolonged

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and it's, you know, nobody

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deserves abuse. I think like I said, criticism is okay, but abuse

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is different when he gets personal. We all know, you know, no

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matter what field we're in on social media, it

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is abusive and people, you know, take

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pot shots and there's no kind of recourse, there's nothing

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bad. But I imagine Marcus Rashford gets 100 times

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anything that we get. So it must be, you know, quite

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miserable for him. But I think Eretan Hyde defended

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him from that, but also said that, you know, he

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shares his, he shared the blame

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in the sense that for the team's performances and

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his own performances. And he had a

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terrible season on the pitch and he was booed

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off by some United fans against Coventry at the

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weekend in the FA Cup. He's placed in the

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Euro squad with England is on the line. So

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he does deserve criticism, but he doesn't deserve abuse. And

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I think that's the difference. I think he's quite right

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to point that out. But he's already been criticised for

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responding at quarter to one in the

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morning. So people are saying what's he doing up at that time? He's

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got a game tomorrow. So he really can't win. I

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think the best way he can win is just to get back in the pitch

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and try and reclaim his best form. Well, back

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page of The Mirror covering it as

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well, Eric Tenharg, Rash Bashing Must Stop,

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Daily Express, a similar line, layoff Rashford,

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Tenharg tells fans to get behind start.

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Time was, I suppose, Jon, when we were growing up,

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that footballers said they didn't look at the back pages

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to avoid criticism and they turned off the radio shows

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and probably TV shows like this one. What do you

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think the advice should be to young stars? Because even

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if there is a, if it's criticism rather than abuse,

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it's probably still not great to read on your phone,

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is it, in the early hours of the morning? Well,

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that's the thing, Teddy, isn't it now? I don't

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think, you know, if they don't read the papers,

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if they don't look at it online, the one

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thing they absolutely do do is look at it

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on social media and scroll through their phone.

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And I just, you know, I can only imagine

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how destructive and how negative that is for a

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player. And I think Mark's absolutely spot

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on. He does deserve criticism. He doesn't

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deserve abuse. I think Rashford is a

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fabulous player, having an absolute nightmare

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of a season on the pitch. He

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doesn't look as if he's enjoying his football.

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And I have to say that translates into

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a negative body language. But no one should,

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I think, you know, kind of misstate that

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as something that, you know, borders

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into don't care territory. I think he's having

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a wretched time. I

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do think, you know, maybe he should think

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about a new challenge perhaps this summer or

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something like that, because it just doesn't feel

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as if it's working for him or maybe

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he needs a fresh spark or a fresh

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manager or something like that, because we all

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know how talented he is. But I just

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really hope that he can escape this, because

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honestly, he doesn't, as Eric Tenhar points out,

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he doesn't deserve this and he needs support

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at a really difficult, you know, almost it

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feels like a bit of a crossroads in

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his career. I'd love to see him get

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back to his best because he's got the

15:46

age, he's certainly got the pace and he's certainly

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got the ability to get back there. Indeed, we'll

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wait to see if he makes England's squad for

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the Euros. Indeed, it's probably a discussion for another

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day. Let's talk Nottingham Forest and

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Chris Wood's piece or his statement

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on social media. covered in depth by

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John Percy in a telegraph. We're all angry

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about decisions. I understand club's reactions. He says

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in here we're angry after the

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game, upset and frustrated, goes into some detail. Mark,

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are you surprised that Chris Wood is commenting on

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that at the moment? Do you think the Energies

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are maybe a little bit distracted

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at Nottingham Forest? I

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think there's certainly a distraction, but I'm

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not surprised. I like the fact that Chris

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Wood's talking about it because I think we can be a

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bit kind of snooty about it at

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times and say football, shouldn't say these sort of things. But

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they should. We want to hear what they think, want to

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hear their personality, want to get to the number of things.

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That's what we're here for. We don't want to just see

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PR statements coming out all the time. So if a player

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thinks that, right, let us hear it. But I

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don't know. I just think that Forest aren't

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doing themselves any favours of the club by

16:46

just repeating these constant lines that they're being

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treated badly or they're being victimised. It

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really is just bad luck. And those decisions at Edmonton

16:53

last week were terrible. They really were terrible decisions. But

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to suggest there's any kind of bias

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or worse is just ridiculous.

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And I think Forest is probably losing a lot of friends by

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doing it. And I think they've

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got a situation right now with the Premier League where they've lost

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points. It's been a bad feed in the sense of the picture

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on it as well. So they just need to win some games,

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get out of relegation football and just put it behind them. But

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don't start blaming referees and saying that they're

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taking decisions against Forest for reasons beyond

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football. It's just ridiculous, really. Yeah, one

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point clear the relegation zone, hoping to

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get some points back after the deduction,

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but they have managed to city the

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champions this weekend. Maranakis is covered in

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the front page of the Times Sports

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supplement. The real Maranakis Forest controversial Greek

17:33

owner is a man of extremes. So

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that's covered inside. On the

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question of VAR though, John, obviously not even

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Forest not endorsing it. Nuno Espiritis Santos saying

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he doesn't want to see it anymore. And

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a piece by Tom Gibbs in the Telegraph.

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VAR is doomed. It will never

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be trusted. Fans will promise the future

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without referee rancour. Yet every quote unquote

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improvement serves only to inflame debate further,

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picturing Coventry fans after their defeat, of

17:57

course, the Manchester United off the back

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of that VAR. decision in the FA Cup semi-final. Do

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you think there's a chance that we could go

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back to a time where we accept referees decisions

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in human error and bid

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VAR a unhappy farewell? No,

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definitely not. Although

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they've done it in Sweden, haven't they?

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There's been a fan revolt and basically

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VAR has effectively been repealed. But I

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mean, you know, listen, I always enjoy,

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you know, opinion pieces and first-person pieces

18:23

and Tom Gibbs provides us a good

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read and a good debate. But

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I love the picture that they've used there of

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the Coventry fans, you know, absolutely heartbroken. I was

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at that game and it was an astonishing game,

18:34

one of the all-time great semi-finals.

18:37

But guess what? The goal

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that was scored in the 121st minute was offside. So,

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you know, you are using the

18:45

pictures to illustrate the heart, the

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joy and then the heartbreak. But

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VAR called it right. There

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was this ridiculous, you know, kind of image

18:53

going around on social media to suggest that

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in some way it would, you know, it

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was wrong because the blue line went over

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one of the soccer's foot. It's just wrong.

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It's just wrong. The

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key line proved, I'm afraid to

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say, that the Coventry player was

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offside. I mean, it's just, you

19:11

know, and listen, do we want precise decisions?

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Do we want correct decisions? Well, if we

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do, then VAR is the

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right thing. Has it been the success

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that I wanted? And I thought it

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would be absolutely not. Has it sucked

19:23

the life out of kind of moments

19:26

like that? Well, yes. But if you

19:28

actually want decisions that are right, then

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VAR is the way forward. Sorry to

19:32

be a killjoy on this, but the

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VAR called it right. I mean, we

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cannot, you know, suddenly abolish VAR just

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because we don't like the fact that it's ruined

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Coventry's fairy tale. I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean,

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it almost, you know, the use of those two

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pictures kills the piece, frankly, because it was the

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right decision. Well, had you right feet

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bigger than Aaron Wan-Bassaka, I won't get into that just yet.

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In that debate, let's round up their prim VAR wars, by

19:54

the way. Richard Masters has been talking about how it must

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improve in the sun. But let's talk less than not in

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the papers. We've got about. 20 seconds,

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John, how good to see them back in the Premier League? Oh,

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fantastic, isn't it? I mean, you know, it has

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been a hell of a story. Let's

20:08

see how they get on there. Obviously, you know,

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sort of a few sort

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of question marks about sort

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of spending themselves now, even into the

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Premier League. But it certainly helps

20:19

their cause by being promoted. Listen, whatever's

20:21

happened is still a huge test to

20:23

get straight back up. And the way

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that they've done it under the new

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manager playing such stylish Yeah, I'm

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going to jump off there. Sorry, time is beating us.

20:33

Mark, thank you very much as well.