In this episode, we talk to Liam Spradlin. His podcast, Design Notes, is a show about creative work and what it teaches us.

We learn about Liam's journey from journalist, to public speaker, to designer, to podcaster (and how he ended up at Google!).

You'll also hear about how Liam taught himself to become a podcaster, and why he believes that podcasting is a form of art, like every other form of creation. Listen in.