Aram and Kelly continue their talk with animator extraordinaire Howie Shia and master puppeteer Anne Koizuimi in an attempt to answer the question: "what is an animation?” This episode includes Anne Koizumi's live commentary of IN THE SHADOW OF THE PINES (https://youtu.be/nI85ahkSmSA). The first part of the conversation included Howie Shia's live commentary of MARCO’S ORIENTAL NOODLES (https://youtu.be/IobYgrLpCX8). Both of their works can be found on YouTube and on CBC Gem.

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This episode uses the following multimedia samples and sources:

• SPIRITED AWAY (2001), dir. Hayao Miyazaki
• IN THE SHADOW OF THE PINES (2020), dir. Anne Koizumi
• “Say Good night”, Joakim Karud
• “Jar Hut”, Morusque

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