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Hey , do bad as well . It's a bad boy running . We've

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just recorded the bad stuff and in

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this week's episode it

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is an absolute belter . Not

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only do we we talk about whether

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you can drink French milk Jodie

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obviously has some very strong views on that and more

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that they can make you fair a drugs test

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, which is one of the claims that is out there at

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the moment and it seems it's quite a strong claim . We

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also talk about the

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sad the fact that

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UTMB have decided not to bring Kureen

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Malcolm back for Western States next year

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Crazy and the impact

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that's had on the community and the response to that . And

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we also talk about the dangers

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of running in some countries . As a trail runner

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, shout out to Tom Evans we hope you're OK

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. Buddy Got mugged , sadly , in

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the buildup to Old Trail , cape Town . All

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of that is coming up in this episode . It's

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super fun . So take it away , nick

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.

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They're bad , they're boys and

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occasionally they talk about running

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. Yes , it's the bad boy running

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podcast with your hosts Jodie

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Reinsford and David Heller . Come

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back , baby

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, come back , bye , bye , bye , bye

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bye , bye , bye , bye , bye , bye .

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I must admit I was a clone

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to be messing around , but

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that doesn't mean that you have

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to leave town . Bye , bye , bye

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, bye , bye , bye , bye , bye . Welcome

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to Badest Dude , bad Boy Running . You've missed out

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on some very boring yeti microphone

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chats , as we learn the technicalities

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of this podcast .

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Oh , surely , Surely , people . What we're

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going to do is we're going to bottle that up

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and put it on the YouTube channel as behind the

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scenes content . Yeah yeah

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, exactly .

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Yeah , yeah , yeah .

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And you're going to love it . Don't pretend that you won't

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.

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You're going to love it .

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You want to see what happens behind the mic ? Nothing

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, really nothing .

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I can't believe it's not professional behind the mic you

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would have thought You're revealing

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all your secrets , what ? Mind blowing

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, mind blowing .

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Yeah , the veil has fallen .

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Unbelievable . But I am deep at

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it . I've already told JD I'm doing

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stretches while we record this podcast

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because not structural healing

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.

2:11

It's not structural healing .

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Maybe under the desk , but

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not that JD can see . Actually

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, that's something that did you find this ? So

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I've got some running stuff to talk about , but I've

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found my testosterone levels have

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dropped massively since

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we've had the baby .

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Wait a minute . How often are you measuring

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them ?

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I can just tell . I can just tell

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yeah , the , that's totally normal , but that's totally

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normal .

2:40

That is totally normal that you as soon as

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I mean , from an evolutionary perspective

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, that's what's supposed to happen

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, like you become a father . Your

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testosterone levels , because , obviously .

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Oh , my God .

2:53

Life doesn't want you going out and it's

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amazing Spreading more of that hell hard

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seed anywhere else at the moment it

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wants you to just nurture .

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It's so good Not when

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you hear of people who've taken

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the recent injection

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for appetite

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suppression and they say

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it's almost as if like a side of me , like

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this voice in my head has been turned off . That's

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constantly there to eat . It's

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so nice having a lower testosterone

3:23

level where you're not just like

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I feel like my whole life I've been

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holding in this raging hornbag

3:30

teenager and now it's gone

3:33

and I'm like I could just get on with my day

3:35

without having this constant voice

3:37

going oh , oh , oh , it's

3:41

so good .

3:44

Oh OK , that's interesting . You know it's funny

3:46

Like it does . I mean

3:48

, I think that's the impression that most people have

3:51

of you , but you actually confirm that .

3:52

That's excellent as well , yeah , yeah

3:55

, yeah . I'm having to constantly reign

3:57

in that part of

3:59

me .

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Carry on hell arse .

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It's weird the way it's

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. I do . I've always wondered whether

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at some point , we're going to see

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men as being victims of testosterone

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and this whole toxic

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masculinity and

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the fact that men are generally

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more likely to be terrible

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people . Will there

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become a reframing of society

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where they're almost like well

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, poor me and my testosterone

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forcing me to be this person I don't want to

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be ?

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Well , no , I do know what . That's a really interesting thing Because

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I was thinking about this recently and

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about how much discussion

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there is about hormones and

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the fact that women are full

4:46

victim to the hormonal

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levels changing and things like that , and I

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was like , well , that's

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interesting , but for some

4:54

reason , men , obviously they

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don't have the same fluctuation in hormones

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and different changes in the body , it's just constant

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. It's just constant barrage , but

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still the same thing applies you

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are the victim of your hormones . I

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wouldn't necessarily say a victim , that's just the reality

5:16

of life . So

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how come some are acceptable

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and others aren't ? What are we going

5:23

to say that ? Oh , this hormone . It's

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OK to be at the mercy of this hormone

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, but this hormone is . Because

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of that , you're

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never excused from anything . You're

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absolutely right . It's like we are all victims

5:38

of our hormones and regulation of hormones

5:41

, and I think probably that's why it's

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misunderstanding about hormones as well . I

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mean , who used to talk about it ? I

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mean it is actually . It is in fact how

5:51

discussing the hormones is only a relatively

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recent thing , really

5:56

, in terms of factual people talking

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about it on TV and things like that

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.

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Well , that's because discussion of women's

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issues is only a relatively recent

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thing , to be fair in the media , which

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is probably why that it's now

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that actually we're looking to understand

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more about female anatomy

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.

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Well , you know , whatever you say , I know , but

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it's not as if it was even like a discussion

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, you

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know , you think at least it would be a discussion

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within the GP's

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office , but it never

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was . It never was and it's still

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now like , I think you know , most people would find

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that there's a frustration that actually

6:36

, like GCs , just don't

6:38

really have any real understanding of things

6:40

like that on both

6:42

sides . So , yeah , I don't know

6:45

, it's weird , isn't it , how

6:49

things have changed . But yeah , your hormones

6:51

, your testosterone , jesus

6:54

Christ , it's like , you know , there's

6:56

something we'd be talking about .

6:58

But it does make me wonder about my track . So I've

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signed up to a 10K next

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weekend that I'm going

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to run because I just thought .

7:07

Hardcore yeah .

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I've hit some , I've

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started to not be as shit

7:14

as I have been since the injury

7:16

. And right , what can I

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do with this ? Well , I'm

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not going to sign up for a marathon straight

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away and even if I do , that's not going to give me that

7:25

much motivation day to day and , realistically

7:27

, that's not going to help me . I'm

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not going to be able to do the training I want to at the moment

7:33

because of hercules . So

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, whereas a 10K like

7:37

I signed up maybe a

7:39

week ago , so two and a half weeks

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out , like yeah , actually doing

7:44

, getting a bit of motivation to do some

7:46

harder sessions I

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haven't got a 10K PB . I think

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I only ever ran one , which

7:53

was my first ever marathon cycle .

7:57

So what are you calling it now ? What are you calling

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time wise ?

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I don't know . I think if

8:03

I got under 37 minutes I think

8:05

that would be pretty hard to

8:08

do . No-transcript .

8:10

What do you ? This

8:12

is quite useful actually , so knowing

8:15

where you are at the moment , what is going

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to be your training for that , is that just gonna be a couple

8:19

of like intense session ? I mean that's not a huge

8:21

amount you can do , yeah .

8:25

What's that gonna be ? What's it gonna be ? What's it gonna be

8:27

then ? Okay , what's that gonna ?

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be then .

8:29

So basically , before

8:31

I ran like the Sub 18

8:34

5K , which I was genuinely

8:36

surprised about I did , I

8:38

think , three sessions of 400s

8:40

, 400 meters , where I

8:42

did 400 meter reps . That was maybe

8:44

10 of them or eight of them of

8:47

35 second pauses , so

8:49

that is almost simulating . You

8:52

know , haven't got much of a break there . So your heart rates

8:54

up . It's like running a 5K . Then

8:56

the next week I upped it to maybe was it eight

8:59

to 10 ? But I increased

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the length of time in between and

9:05

so it went up to think

9:07

55 seconds . And

9:09

then in between six of them , between

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five of them , I had a two minute rest , so my heart

9:14

rate came right down . I had a rest

9:16

so I could do faster . And then the next week

9:18

I did 12 with

9:20

a break at six . I

9:23

can't remember what the rest was there , but

9:25

I think it was long was it longer

9:27

or not ? And so

9:29

I was getting just getting

9:31

my top speed faster . So now that I'm doing

9:33

this 10K , last week I went out and I did four

9:36

times one miles as my interval

9:38

, what I hope to

9:40

be around 10K pace . Later

9:43

today I'm gonna go out , which is why I need

9:45

to stretch . I haven't stretched because I haven't had time

9:47

in two days and

9:50

I find if I don't stretch , then

9:52

when I come to run I just feel tight and don't

9:55

run well . But I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna do three

9:57

times two miles and

9:59

I'm gonna have probably a two minute rest

10:02

in between each of

10:04

those intervals , and so that

10:07

, to me , is gonna allow my

10:09

body to recover and

10:11

run the second and the

10:13

third ones a lot faster

10:15

than if I was doing . I'd probably

10:17

normally do like a minute rest

10:20

if I was doing something like that , and

10:23

so that way , actually , if I bring

10:25

together those six miles , that's

10:27

a 10K and I'm gonna run

10:30

them faster than I can run a 10K currently

10:32

, and so actually it's replicating

10:34

what it's gonna be on the race day . So I'm hoping

10:37

that , followed by

10:39

my weekends , could be

10:41

shot to pieces because I'm doing filming and stuff , but

10:44

I'm hoping that will then allow me to

10:47

get my body ready for a 10K . I'll

10:50

probably go and do some speed work on

10:52

Saturday , depending on schedule , do

10:54

a longer run on the Sunday and

10:57

then maybe some short

10:59

sprints on a Tuesday and

11:01

do a tiny little taper . But one thing I've

11:03

changed , I've realized . So

11:06

my whole life , from 20

11:10

, let's say , 2011

11:12

onwards , I've run probably

11:14

six days a week , yeah , until

11:17

I got injured . And I'm looking

11:19

at my life now and thinking , oh

11:22

God , I just can't be fucked to do that , and

11:24

I could try and do that , but I just

11:26

don't think I would . And

11:28

so instead I'm thinking right , actually , what

11:30

should I do ? Let's stay

11:33

in for four days a week , two

11:35

at the weekend , two midweek and

11:38

suddenly , like the pressure

11:40

I feel now is

11:42

so much less because actually

11:46

I only need to do one hard

11:48

session in the week and I can

11:50

do a tempo run on Saturday , and

11:53

so that's infinitely achievable

11:55

. And last night I was working like this

11:58

first day , first day kind of sent me

12:00

back at work yesterday .

12:01

Yeah .

12:02

And this is where we still haven't figured out how

12:05

to do it because I was up at , I

12:07

think , five looking after the

12:09

baby . Then

12:12

Briggsie came down . I was

12:14

kind of ready to work at nine , but

12:17

at the end of the day it was then like fuck , I haven't

12:19

done any running , I want to run . I was

12:21

meant to do the session yesterday . We

12:23

had friends coming over at seven to

12:25

watch the women's football and

12:27

so I was like right , I'm just going to go out and jog four

12:29

miles . So I've done a run Because

12:31

I know I only need to do one session

12:35

in the week and so I

12:37

can do that tomorrow . That's fine , Whereas

12:40

before , if I was doing six days a week , I'd be like , well

12:42

, I need to do this session this day and that

12:44

session is so rigid , and

12:47

also every day you're waking up thinking , oh

12:49

God , and you can't adjust

12:51

it , Whereas if I were fewer

12:53

sessions , I can miss a day and just do it the day

12:55

after or do it earlier . So

12:58

I don't know that's useful for how

13:01

. I've just changed my approach and I think when

13:03

the trouble will be that at the moment I'm running

13:06

without doing any core

13:08

, any of my weight training

13:10

that I need to do to stop me being injured . So

13:13

at some point I'm going to have to reintroduce .

13:14

That'll be fine . That won't come back

13:16

to bite you on the arse or anything . I'm

13:18

not sure .

13:20

Yeah , so that was just something I was like during

13:22

baby time .

13:23

Next week's episode . Everyone . Just a quick review

13:25

, which is that's right . The

13:27

headlines out , shall we ? They were just

13:30

injured , yeah .

13:31

So at some point I need to introduce the weights

13:34

and I'm like shit , how am I going to do that ?

13:36

How are we going to do that without the testosterone ? The

13:39

testosterone drop as any , Because I imagine

13:41

you were lifting big .

13:43

Oh mate , I was just the

13:47

only thing bigger than the weights . I was lifting my

13:49

massive balls pumping for that testosterone

13:52

hanging out on my shorts , just dangling

13:54

around . Yeah

13:57

, I mean , when I go back it's going to be

13:59

, I'll be out of

14:01

sync with weights and not

14:03

the testosterone . Maybe I won't even be able to lift

14:06

the bar that I put weights onto .

14:08

I don't know why it is . I just picture you

14:10

when you go to the gym

14:12

. For some reason , in an

14:14

80s style , you find the bleh-tard

14:17

, the leggings and leg

14:19

warmers and

14:21

your routine is less

14:24

muscle bro

14:27

, iron monkey type thing and

14:30

more of oh , let's put some leg

14:32

weights on and have a couple of those pastel-colored

14:34

handweights and

14:37

you're jogging to the music while looking in the

14:39

mirror .

14:41

And I walk like Ace Ventura when I walk around the

14:43

gym , you know that Dun

14:45

dun , dun , dun , dun , dun dun . Everything's

14:47

the music . I tend to get

14:49

in there . The weird

14:52

thing is , as a runner , you realize

14:55

that we are pretty strong on

14:57

some weights that others

14:59

aren't . She'd go in there and you do a car

15:02

phrase machine every now and then because your machines are

15:04

done . You're like , oh , actually I

15:07

can almost max out this machine . How does

15:09

that work ?

15:10

when you've got Car phrase machine is absolutely

15:12

ridiculous though .

15:14

Isn't it ?

15:15

I mean it's always easy to get on the car phrase

15:18

machine . Like no one's ever on the car

15:20

phrase machine . Sometimes

15:24

some of the machines you just like they

15:26

didn't really need a machine for this , and

15:29

I think car phrase is one of those . What

15:32

is your car phrase machine like ? Is it the one where you

15:34

stand up and you have the

15:36

pressure on your shoulders and you're doing the car phrases ? Or

15:39

is it that stupid one where you sit down and you push

15:41

the thing away from you ?

15:42

Yeah , you sit down and push the one that

15:45

is so stupid .

15:46

It's just easy to stand on a step

15:48

and just do it yeah . Yeah

15:50

, but you're

15:52

right , you're a riot .

15:54

I've got some news that I'm sure you

15:56

probably instinctively felt already that

15:59

this is big . This is big news and

16:01

it ties into this

16:04

. Let's just say this story I've been reading

16:07

about is full of facts

16:09

.

16:10

I was just saying . Maybe number two is not on the way already

16:12

, is it ?

16:14

No one might know my level of testosterone

16:16

. That is

16:18

not going to be a worry . No , no , no . So

16:24

this is a delight . This ties

16:26

into your deep , deep racist

16:29

views on the French .

16:31

They're not racist views . If they're true

16:33

, I'm not .

16:34

True , this is true .

16:36

I just want to point out to everyone that I'm not racist

16:38

about the French . Well , first , you can't be racist

16:40

about the French . Secondly , it is

16:44

fact that they're obsessed

16:46

with bureaucracy . I

16:49

mean the word bureaucracy cannot be any

16:51

more French .

16:53

Now , how do you feel about French

16:57

dairy ?

17:05

I'm pretty repelled by

17:07

French dairy . Why French

17:09

dairy ? French dairy sounds like a really trendy

17:12

restaurant in Hoxton or something , oh

17:14

it does it ?

17:14

does , doesn't it ? Yeah , or

17:17

slightly seedy , yeah

17:20

, something Anyway .

17:21

So this is the headline . I don't know why you're going with that , but

17:23

that was going to reveal something about you

17:25

. You quickly shut

17:28

down .

17:28

I'll have the French dairy . Please , honey , Give

17:32

me the full word .

17:34

A menu in Amsterdam .

17:39

So this is the headline from

17:41

. It's a cycling article , I'm afraid

17:43

, but it says wake up to anything

17:45

but milk . Pro cyclists

17:48

will not to eat or drink dairy products

17:50

. At cyclocosts race after

17:53

positive doping tests . So

17:56

this is an amazing story where

17:58

I don't know . I

18:01

don't know whether this is a great angle of like

18:03

uncovering my ass for

18:05

a failed drug test or whether this is

18:07

genuine , but so it turns

18:09

out . There's two cyclists great

18:12

names , by the way one called Toon Ayerts

18:14

and one called Sherry Boussoud

18:17

it's definitely how you pronounce

18:19

those names . That's

18:22

excellent . They've

18:26

both blamed their recent

18:28

drug test

18:30

fails

18:34

on the dairy they consumed while racing

18:36

in Flammanville , normandy

18:39

, which is the site of this Sunday

18:41

and I've probably read in fact , this is , yeah , the

18:43

site of Sunday just coming cyclocosts

18:46

cross World Cup

18:48

rounds . So they're

18:51

genuinely a warning people not

18:53

to take any of the dairy because

18:55

of their failed drug test . That happened

18:57

in Flammanville .

19:00

So what's in the dairy ? What's in the dairy that they

19:02

blame it ?

19:03

So there's this , and these are all words

19:06

that I've never heard of before Flammanville

19:09

Toon , but also

19:11

letrosol . So

19:15

letrosol apparently

19:17

is , and I need to quickly

19:19

skim read again this article to remind myself

19:21

. They were found to have letrosol

19:24

in their blood , and letrosol

19:26

isn't itself a

19:29

, it's

19:32

not something that aids performance by

19:35

itself , but it's

19:37

used to block estrogen

19:40

during the treatment of breast

19:42

cancer , and

19:45

that is due to its ability to boost

19:47

testosterone levels . So instead

19:50

of taking testosterone , you could take this

19:52

, and it would naturally increase

19:54

the

19:57

and reduce the feminizing

19:59

effects of anabolic

20:01

steroids , right

20:03

? So when you get big

20:05

weight lifters who have little , tiny

20:07

balls bit like

20:09

how I feel at the moment , that

20:12

is because of the feminizing effects of anabolic

20:14

steroids . And so , and

20:16

it turns out that actually

20:18

they've started to

20:20

use letrasol

20:23

for for

20:25

cattle , and I'm

20:28

just trying to skim read why this

20:30

is .

20:31

But the trouble is at the moment of course

20:34

, of course there's wait a minute , wait a minute

20:36

. So you're saying letrasol could be presence

20:38

in cows , present in cows

20:40

as well .

20:41

Yeah , yeah , yeah .

20:44

So there's all sorts of really sinister excuses

20:46

that they could come up with it .

20:50

And so but the ? But it

20:52

also turns out that Albert E Contador

20:55

said he had tainted beef

20:57

from the same region back in 2010

21:00

when he , he posited , tested

21:03

positive for clen butter

21:06

roll . But they've actually

21:08

said that this . It sounds like they

21:10

think this could be genuine because

21:13

letrasol is

21:15

used to

21:17

synchronize

21:19

. That they're giving , they're suggesting that

21:21

it's given to cows to

21:24

synchronize their cycles in

21:26

the same way . You know the when females

21:28

go together and they . They then

21:30

sync to the alpha females

21:33

cycle . They're

21:35

suggesting that , potentially , letrasol

21:38

has been given to these cows so

21:40

they can they can all be on the same cycle so

21:42

that when they come to bring in the ball

21:44

for fertilization , they know that all

21:46

of the cows are on heat at the same time . Now

21:49

the trouble is there are that they don't test

21:52

milk for this at the moment

21:54

, so actually they don't know whether this

21:56

is the case or not , and these

21:58

two cyclists have failed

22:01

for a very unusual drug

22:03

to be taking . To be fair , and

22:06

you've got to think , if they're taking this drug , it's

22:09

they've done their research to be

22:11

like . This is the one we want to take , but

22:15

the worry is now that

22:17

if you take yogurt or milk

22:21

while you're in this region . You

22:24

may also fail a drugs test .

22:26

Well , do you know what I would suggest to people

22:28

? To not , under

22:30

any circumstances , have any dairy whatsoever

22:33

, for fear that this may be infected

22:35

across the whole of Europe

22:38

. So , if you don't want to

22:40

, if you don't want your car to run the time to

22:42

be , you know , struck

22:44

off because of some random testing and

22:46

everything , please pick

22:49

up the Oatley , ditch the dairy

22:51

.

22:54

But surely ?

22:55

French and the cyclists are helping bring

22:57

down the dairy industry .

23:00

But only only . Isn't performance

23:02

enhancing . Unlike this

23:04

, maybe they can market this as

23:07

specifically taking

23:09

this type of milk will help not

23:11

only reduce your testy

23:13

shrinkage , but a

23:15

performance potentially .

23:23

But don't measure what they put in animals

23:26

before giving you the milk from

23:28

those animals . It's slightly

23:30

worrying , isn't it , considering the

23:32

number of problems we've had

23:34

, you know when ? When

23:36

you know mad cow disease happened like

23:38

the French were the first to

23:41

basically British ? Be no way

23:44

, they were the first one , and it turns out the

23:46

science . What test was

23:48

in our animal ? What are you talking about ? Yeah

23:50

, yeah , oh , yeah , oh yeah . You need to fill in 3000

23:53

forms and have all these medical things , but we don't

23:55

actually test anything useful .

23:58

Yeah , yeah , yeah and , by the way , do

24:00

bad , as Jodie is recording in a Starbucks

24:03

at the moment . So what I've been trying to do in the last

24:05

paragraph is trying to get Jodie

24:07

to talk about testies out loud

24:09

in the Starbucks , where he's surrounded by

24:11

a lot of random people who

24:14

don't realize he probably didn't realize he's recording

24:16

one of the world's greatest podcasts .

24:20

What you don't understand , though , is that everybody around

24:22

here is literally talking about testosterone

24:24

and hormones . Over time , that's what ? That's just

24:26

a normal chat in a Starbucks , now , do you

24:28

not know ? Oh , you're going to have

24:31

you Wait a minute . Have you done on it ? Have

24:34

you done an NCT coffee shop play date ?

24:35

yet You're not

24:37

done one of those yet ? No , they've

24:40

done , but they had bubbles and

24:42

they based in bubbles around ours

24:44

yesterday .

24:46

The girls no

24:49

, no , no , no , no , no . You got wait , you got to go on

24:51

mass to a coffee shop and then really piss

24:53

people off Like a bunch

24:55

of absolute Harrodans by

24:58

one coffee , stay there for five hours

25:00

, you know , get your buggies everywhere

25:02

, annoy everyone , that kind of stuff . That's the

25:05

. That's the . It's because of that

25:07

A lot of cafes

25:09

in Brighton all of a sudden went from having

25:11

, like you know , normal tables and chairs

25:13

that like really high tables and really

25:16

high chairs and , you know , like stools

25:18

and stuff that make us as unkid

25:20

, unbaby group friendly

25:22

as possible . Really Because

25:25

they , because , because they are costing them

25:27

profits and stuff like that . The number of

25:29

the number of coffee shops that they've made

25:31

it kind of impossible for a baby group to

25:33

meet there now is unbelievable , which

25:35

is why they always just end up going into , like costas

25:37

and Starbucks now .

25:40

Interesting . Oh , that doesn't happen around here . They

25:42

, they love the . What is ? You've

25:45

got the pink pound for the gay pound

25:47

. What's the baby pounds ? What's the ? What's the color

25:49

of that Brown type of pound ? Is it

25:51

the brown ?

25:54

Yeah , it's the , I'm

25:56

sure there's . I'm sure there's a , I

25:58

don't know . I'm not necessarily sure that there

26:01

is a money thing , because normally what happens is that

26:03

it is that thing of going to all

26:08

. Parents have an entitlement

26:10

and they can bring whatever shit they want with them

26:12

and eat it

26:15

in a , in a coffee shop or restaurant or whatever

26:17

, because you've got a baby with you .

26:18

Yeah , so you're just like oh , oh

26:20

yeah . Maybe it's getting boob . Why can't I

26:23

get something ?

26:25

It's just like you know , I'm good , yeah

26:29

, exactly , that's it . So , yeah

26:31

, I think that's the , that's the , that's the issue , it's

26:34

. You know , I'm that's what . I need you to understand the

26:36

dynamic of that . I want you to understand the dynamic

26:38

of the other dynamic is that . Have you

26:40

been out ? Have you been out pushing the baby around the stuff

26:42

? And you found all the secret hidden places

26:45

in shops and other things

26:47

where they have baby changing that you never

26:49

knew about until you've had a baby Not yet

26:51

.

26:53

We once our babies in the pram . Her

26:55

just sleeps and he's happy to ride in his own shit

26:57

. He's , he's , he's

27:00

got . No , he's going to be a . He's going to love obstacle racing

27:02

. It'll just be wallowing in that for hours

27:04

. So it's , it's not been an issue .

27:08

Is that what you say ? After 12 hours ? He loves

27:10

it , absolutely loves it . It's not . It's like a mug Unless . Like a

27:13

mug Unless .

27:13

It's full , unless the nabbing

27:15

is a little bit of a bug . It's like a mug

27:18

.

27:19

Unless it's full , unless the nabbing is falling off

27:21

him , he's fine , it's absolutely

27:23

.

27:24

Base , yeah , and then it takes care of itself , right

27:28

?

27:28

Self cleaning . It's a self cleaning

27:31

, but did .

27:34

Did we talk about Tom Evans last week

27:36

? No , did

27:40

you hear about ? Did you hear about what happened to

27:42

?

27:43

Tom oh , wait a minute . Wait , maybe we did . Yeah

27:45

, come on , what happened to Tom ? Now

27:48

that you've , mentioned it .

27:49

So Tom was on a training run at

27:51

Ultrachel

27:54

Cup Cape Town . He was mugged

27:56

at a machete point .

27:58

Yes , you mentioned it last time . I don't

28:00

think we did have much detail . Okay

28:03

, I think you were talking about

28:05

it in terms of midnight runners , weren't we

28:07

? I think

28:10

, in that context of saying that midnight runners

28:12

is , you know , groups

28:14

of people feel safe together in

28:16

places they wouldn't otherwise , I think , yeah .

28:19

Yeah , it's a really horrific story

28:21

. Where ? So Tom had gone out

28:24

to race what for many people

28:26

is the last quantifier

28:28

of the year for getting his stones , and

28:30

while on a run he

28:32

got in a tussle . It sounded

28:35

as if at first he fought back

28:37

you know he's an ex-soldier

28:39

but then they pulled out a machete

28:42

and they took everything his

28:44

kind of watch , his phone and

28:47

he was so shaken by it . This

28:49

was a number of days before the race

28:52

, but he just didn't feel like he

28:55

wasn't in the right headspace to then run because he was

28:57

going to be going out onto the same trails and

29:01

God , I mean , that makes it's

29:05

. That's fairly crazy

29:07

. It gives you an insight . We spoke to Thiband

29:09

quite a few a couple of years ago

29:12

, who was the South African Trail Running Champion

29:14

, and we also spoke to what was

29:16

his name , the lovely gentleman who'd

29:19

run the world record for

29:22

a cent in , I think , 24

29:24

hours or something , up and down Table Mountain

29:26

. Oh yeah , but

29:29

yeah it's

29:31

. How do you deal with something

29:33

like that , with one of the international

29:37

nature of racing now is

29:39

people are going to places that are

29:41

quite dangerous and

29:43

people are running with a phone and

29:46

a watch I mean , some watches

29:48

now are what ? 700 pounds or so .

29:51

Yes , yeah , absolutely yeah

29:53

, and that's it . And you've got it all on show , isn't

29:56

it ? I always think about

29:58

that with children . I

30:01

mean , you think about a child who

30:03

didn't used to carry around a phone

30:05

and stuff like that , and now Frida's got

30:07

a phone and she's carrying around a few

30:09

hundred pounds worth of things and

30:12

makes children a target and

30:14

stuff , regardless of whether she's got it or not . The perception

30:16

is that most children of our age do have

30:18

some kind of device itself . So

30:21

yeah , I don't , yeah , it's

30:23

really , and it

30:25

does make you wonder , it's really difficult to negotiate .

30:27

Like how South Africa , if how

30:30

South Africans , because it is still a Danish

30:32

place . I won't say who , but one of my friends last

30:36

week had a breeze block thrown

30:38

through their car window at

30:41

a stop sign in an attempt to try and mug

30:43

them and they had to , like drive away

30:45

to

30:47

avoid basically being

30:50

mugged . Some people had died in the area . Like wow , actually

30:52

it's super hard to be

30:54

a trail runner in some countries where

30:56

it just isn't

30:59

safe to be out by

31:01

yourself in some areas Like

31:03

how , yeah , really

31:05

, really , really , really sad .

31:09

Yeah , yeah , I think

31:11

there's a . There's a general thing , isn't there , though ? Isn't

31:13

there Because the I mean

31:16

it's not quite the same , but

31:19

when we're in recession

31:22

or when there's like a cost-to-living crisis and

31:24

stuff like that , crime obviously goes up and

31:27

it's all the kind of it starts off

31:29

with like the pesty crime and stuff like shopping

31:32

, like yeah , I don't know if you've

31:35

like noticed over the last I don't know whether you

31:37

go to like kind of big supermarkets and stuff

31:39

or things like that , but big supermarkets

31:41

and stuff have now got , because they self-check

31:44

out . It's such a kind of a big thing in them . They've

31:46

now had to implement . I'll

31:48

say it again , there are big changes . They've implemented

31:51

this thing where it's self-checkout , but

31:53

then you've got to get your receipt and go through a little

31:55

kind of like blocked-off

31:57

gate .

31:58

Oh , you've got a scan yeah .

32:01

Because there's obviously the and those

32:04

small measures are fine in the supermarkets

32:06

, but it means that all smaller shops have like

32:08

got this massive increase in shoplifting

32:13

. Like small shops have just absolutely kind of

32:15

screwed by . Like even things like fuel theft , like

32:17

rhythm , massively people driving off without paying

32:19

for fuel and stuff like that , and so it

32:22

does then , you know , then have a knock-on effect

32:24

in terms of things like muggings and thefts

32:26

and stuff like that , and it does . And it

32:28

seems you know runners , people who

32:30

are out with you

32:32

know , obviously

32:35

, all of the things that go with it . I

32:38

mean even shoes . Like you know it's

32:40

stealing some shoes off someone and blocking them again . You're

32:42

going to get a lot of money for those as well

32:44

. So it's like you're going out

32:46

.

32:46

Well , some of the shoes . You only get one use out of them , so

32:49

actually , if they're wearing them , it's already too

32:51

late .

32:57

Yeah , but yeah , exactly , but yeah . It does make you think , doesn't

32:59

it ? As a runner actually A

33:04

cyclist , I think is slightly different , isn't it ? It's

33:06

quite hard to kind of mug a cyclist

33:08

when they're not as much easier to steal

33:10

their bike . Steal the bike when it's like

33:12

parked up and stuff like so you don't have that kind of direct

33:14

threat , but you can get

33:16

a lot from a runner .

33:19

And a runner's going to be in a place that is more

33:21

isolated than a cyclist typically

33:23

.

33:24

Yeah , yeah , exactly , you're going to , you

33:26

know , and they're going to be . You

33:28

know it's hard If you go out for a long run . It's

33:30

hard to be so completely aware all

33:32

the time , isn't it ? Because you're going to

33:35

be , you know , tired and , like you know

33:37

, fatigued , and you're going to be thinking about your food

33:39

and thinking about you know how you're feeling

33:41

and stuff like that . And just to have that level of awareness

33:43

the whole time Is

33:47

it ? Is it difficult thing to have ? So , yeah , I think it's . I

33:49

don't know , I don't know what the answer to something like that is

33:51

, but it just goes to show , doesn't it ? I mean

33:53

, literally anyone anywhere can

33:56

, can suffer from it .

33:58

Or whether you know whether actually is

34:02

it better to , for some runs , run with your

34:04

you're watching your pocket or

34:07

to run like not visible or

34:10

just shit watches again , because actually the

34:12

reality of most watches the watch

34:15

I first had , other than being a brick like

34:17

eight years ago , still does everything

34:19

I need it to do . I'm not . I'm

34:22

not looking at power , I'm not looking at heart rate , just

34:24

want my approximate time , distance , speed

34:26

and actually you don't

34:28

need to spend .

34:29

But it's perception , isn't it ? It's like you know , I don't even

34:32

think many people in mugging it'll be like

34:34

carefully looking at the watch on your hand and stuff

34:36

like that . I think they're just the assumption is that most people

34:38

will have a phone on them .

34:40

Yeah , but at least if I've been mugged with a 50

34:42

, a 50 pound third hand watch , I

34:45

don't feel so bad , and actually they

34:47

keep on and if it keeps on happening

34:50

, then they're going to be mugging people

34:52

less , right ? If every person who goes out has

34:54

got a 50 pound shitty watch they're like well , what's

34:57

the point in this ? I'm just sending it back to them for

34:59

40 quid .

35:02

I think I don't think the theft part of

35:04

it's the bad part . I think the mugging part is the bad

35:06

part . I don't think many people have that bothered about . Actually

35:09

we are . I think this is the . It's the mugging in the first place

35:11

. So not have not

35:13

been mugged is the . I would think

35:15

it's the thing that most people are worried

35:18

about . Yeah

35:20

, but I do like the idea that the entirety

35:23

of the running community makes

35:25

a commitment and then communicates

35:27

that to the whole of the

35:29

low level criminal community that

35:32

we're only going to be wearing cryptic with watches . Is

35:35

this wait a minute ? Is this a new business idea you

35:38

could have ?

35:38

got these 49 pound watches

35:40

for a draw full of

35:42

all my old watches that I'm there

35:45

, I want to get rid of ?

35:47

I do . Do you know what ? I still have this , I

35:49

think it's a Casio

35:51

shockwave that I

35:53

wore for

35:56

the MDS

35:58

, which was unbelievable , and it's just

36:00

sat in my drawer and it's still perfectly

36:02

on time and stuff like that , and it's just like the most reliable

36:05

, Ready to go for your next MDS right . Ready to go

36:07

? Ready to go ? Yeah , absolutely Well

36:10

.

36:10

I've been talking

36:12

about MDS acronyms UT , utmb

36:15

, utmb .

36:16

They've done it again haven't they Well what's

36:18

that ?

36:19

So it does seem at the moment , whatever

36:21

UTMB do is

36:23

, is

36:28

that I think it's almost reached a

36:30

tipping point . It's

36:32

reached a tipping point where the

36:35

facade has been pulled away , the faith

36:37

has been lost , and so now

36:39

, whenever they post something , everyone

36:42

just piles in with comments

36:44

like , yeah , you may say that , but what about this

36:46

, what about that , what about that ? So the

36:49

last week , sad

36:51

announcement Karine Malcolm , who's

36:54

been the commentator

36:56

for Western states for years

36:58

. She's not been

37:01

renewed , basically , Really

37:04

. Yeah , it's very

37:08

well . It's not strange at all

37:10

in that she

37:13

is known for being quite vocal

37:15

and she's very

37:17

She'll

37:21

give her opinions on when the footage

37:23

isn't great or when there

37:25

is an equal coverage for the women or

37:28

when they're showing too much of the men , for example

37:30

, which is how it should be

37:33

right . And we've had a

37:35

golden trail . We had , because of technical

37:37

issues , the very first

37:39

Eurosport live at

37:42

the finish line of Mont Blanc

37:44

. There was an issue with the camera

37:47

on the finish line and so when Sophia

37:50

Locley the first ever Eurosport

37:52

winner of the golden trail they

37:55

didn't catch it . They cut to Peter

37:57

Engel coming in third , showing

38:00

him running down yeah , coming

38:02

in , or something like that , when she

38:04

was winning , or something similar . And

38:08

obviously we in the studio were like what

38:10

the hell ? We're so sorry , viewer , we don't

38:13

know why this happened . Like

38:16

this is obviously not acceptable . And we

38:18

could do that because

38:20

we knew that's

38:22

what Golden Trail would think , that's what

38:24

Greg the organizer . He was as angry

38:27

as we were . He's like we're . The whole

38:29

point of what we're trying to do is raise

38:31

the level of women's running , and

38:33

this is the first experience . So

38:35

if you've got an organization behind

38:37

you , that is on the same page

38:40

, then you're not criticizing them

38:42

. You're pointing out something that they

38:44

also want to change .

38:48

Yeah , you're on the side of the viewer , that's the thing . If you're

38:50

on the side of the viewer and the organization's on

38:52

the side of the viewer , that's the thing . And

38:56

they know that something

38:58

isn't acceptable , even though

39:01

it might be 100% their fault .

39:03

And , if anything , you're explaining to

39:05

the viewer that the

39:09

thing that they're annoyed about is

39:11

the whole organization

39:13

. You're representing

39:16

, your organization saying , look

39:18

, we also agree with what you're thinking right now

39:20

and it keeps

39:23

the view . It keeps the faith of the viewer as well , because

39:25

they understand that not

39:27

everything is perfect . But the fact

39:29

that Corrine has basically been told

39:31

she's not doing Western states and she

39:34

is

39:36

the voice of Western states , so many her

39:38

and Dylan have done it for years . We

39:43

are again . We don't know the exact behind

39:45

the scenes , but I

39:49

believe in the ad is if it ain't broke , don't

39:51

fix it . But also , she's great

39:53

. And the only reason you think why

39:55

would they get rid of a female

39:58

commentator when actually there are far more male

40:00

commentators already ? She's experienced

40:02

, she's great , it's got to be cause

40:04

. She's outspoken . And you're like , wow

40:06

, again UTMB

40:08

, instead of listening , are

40:11

closing the door . And the

40:14

post which she , the

40:17

post that she put on Instagram five days ago

40:19

now .

40:20

Yeah , what's going to happen ? What's going to happen

40:22

when we sack someone

40:24

who is known to be outspoken

40:26

? What is going to be the side effects of

40:28

that , do we think ?

40:32

Yeah , yeah , You're

40:34

crazy right .

40:36

You just you don't do that . You move

40:38

an outspoken person , you keep them on the payroll

40:41

and you slowly move them

40:43

away from the thing that they're doing until they

40:45

quit . That's what a bad

40:47

organization does If they

40:49

do it well a bad organization

40:51

who handles it well . You never sack

40:53

an outspoken person who

40:55

is popular . That is yeah Cause

40:58

then once they're on the outside and you're not paying them , you

41:00

are screwed .

41:01

Yeah , and actually you , there

41:04

probably are very good strategies for what you

41:06

do . You

41:09

basically sideline them or

41:11

you give them an impossible role , or

41:14

you listen . I mean that's

41:17

one way to do it .

41:18

No , no , no . We said bad organizations , bad organizations

41:20

.

41:20

Yeah , yeah , yeah .

41:22

This is like , yeah , we're talking PR strategies

41:24

for bad organizations . If you need

41:26

your bad organization and you need them , a

41:29

PR strategy . So it's our latest book

41:31

out , bad Boy Running to PR strategies

41:33

for shit organization .

41:35

Yeah , yeah , yeah yeah

41:37

, pissing everywhere is cool , like , but

41:41

the . And

41:43

if you go onto

41:45

Instagram and you see Corinne's post

41:48

about it , so it's had 6,200

41:50

likes , which is a lot of likes , but

41:53

also not

41:56

just the fact that this has happened and

41:58

she's said it . When you then look

42:00

at who is commenting on

42:02

her post , it's

42:04

so much of the

42:06

core of the trail running community , so

42:09

much of it . You've got people like Hilary

42:12

Geraldi and just skimming

42:14

through , and

42:16

so like Tim Tollefson , who

42:19

organized Mammoth Peaks

42:21

, billy Yang , katie

42:25

Scheidt , who's another

42:28

commentator , jason Coop

42:30

from Coopcast yeah

42:35

, it's crazy

42:37

. And so not

42:39

only is they don't , they have still haven't

42:42

realized that actually what you're doing

42:44

is showing to the whole community that

42:46

all of the big names in the

42:48

community are against you in

42:51

your actions because you

42:53

haven't that ultra demo's on there again

42:55

just skimming through . And

42:59

you know Sophie Power it's Martiska

43:02

who won TDS last year , If

43:04

you look through . Oh no , I like it , I like

43:06

it .

43:08

What they're doing . What they're doing ? What they're doing

43:10

is they're saying your history and

43:12

community mean nothing to us . We're

43:15

Iron man , yeah , we

43:17

, I am Iron man . We're Iron man . We can pick

43:19

, we piss off our own community endlessly . We

43:22

don't care . Yeah , the

43:25

person of your community is even less

43:27

important to us .

43:29

But actually so . I went for a run with Sam

43:31

Sam Sheward from Ultra X

43:33

at the weekend . We did nice lovely

43:35

run , long run together , super fun , and

43:38

I was telling him about the

43:40

stuff that I've heard and

43:42

the stuff I've heard that it isn't

43:44

actually Iron man who are causing this problem

43:46

. It's someone who

43:49

is high up

43:51

in the leadership of UTMB .

43:54

Oh no , that's the best thing to do . Do you

43:56

do all the decisions that you wanted to do for years

43:58

and you blame it on the new

44:00

leadership ? Yeah , and you own

44:02

this .

44:03

And this is and

44:07

, if you think about it , I've been interviewing the past

44:09

or chatting to you the last three months . It's

44:12

a lot of very senior people

44:14

within the Octatrall community

44:16

and my understanding of

44:19

it is that actually Iron

44:21

man don't have enough control

44:23

over they

44:26

don't really have control over decisions

44:29

like this the day to day or

44:31

the Gary Robbins situation . It's

44:35

someone within UTMB , is

44:38

my understanding , and

44:40

Iron man are

44:42

actually now ultra

44:45

aware of not isolating

44:48

your community and the power of

44:50

bad PR and

44:52

unfortunately they are not in a

44:54

position to be able to stop

44:58

the elements within UTMB

45:00

from making these bad decisions

45:02

. And so actually , in

45:05

a weird way , iron man are the victim

45:07

here , not as much as Corrine

45:09

, oh , my God , what is going on here ?

45:12

Iron man are never the victim . Iron man are

45:14

never the victim .

45:16

But the and certainly I mean victims

45:18

too strong .

45:19

but let's

45:21

put this out to Iron man . I

45:23

just wanna say as an organization , you're never going

45:25

to be able to hold

45:29

the

45:32

ultra community and the trail running

45:34

community in place . So if I

45:36

were you , I would cut your losses . I would stick

45:38

to your core brand , iron man , and

45:40

I would just cut your losses and

45:42

just divest yourself back

45:45

to the original race

45:47

directors and

45:50

make sure that you just decide not to

45:52

intervene in the community

45:54

again , because this is gonna keep

45:57

happening and it's gonna damage your brand

45:59

. And do you really want to damage your brand , iron man

46:01

? Do you really want to ? Is it worth

46:03

dying on this hill

46:05

, on the UTMB hill ? Is

46:08

it really no ?

46:09

But the interesting thing now will

46:11

be what's gonna

46:14

happen about this , because if

46:17

you've got a cancerous element in an

46:19

organization , you cut it outright , but

46:22

I don't know enough about the

46:24

relationships or the contracts that

46:27

have been signed . I do know

46:29

the individual who I've

46:31

been told is probably the driving

46:33

force behind these terrible decisions , is

46:36

very much attached to UTMB

46:38

and will be very hard to shake

46:40

out without actually

46:43

fundamentally changing

46:45

the senior leadership of UTMB

46:47

.

46:49

The best outcome is pressure

46:54

from Iron man to reinstate her . So

46:58

you have this rebellious person who

47:01

is pushed out by this other person and

47:03

then they're forced

47:06

to bring them back in because of the outcry

47:08

of the community . That is the best situation because

47:10

that completely destroys the

47:12

authority of that person within that organization

47:15

. But we all .

47:16

oh , if I was the ultra

47:19

, I'd

47:23

now be talking to Karine about being

47:25

a commentator on their races , because

47:28

then you're suddenly saying , hey guys

47:30

, we're not UTMB . And

47:33

just looking down , looking down her post . Because

47:36

of the way Instagram works

47:38

, it almost filters to the

47:40

top the biggest names . So first person

47:42

who shows up as having commented

47:45

is killing Jone . This is so

47:48

sad and wrong . Second person who comes

47:50

up Gary Robbins . Third

47:52

person Lucy Bartholomew . Fourth

47:55

person Daniela , danny

47:58

Marino , like every single John

48:00

Kelly . It's the whole community

48:03

and it's . It's

48:05

such such a a what

48:09

she , what she needs to do now .

48:10

She needs she what she needs to do now . She goes okay

48:12

. So thank you all for all , for your support

48:14

, and you know I would expect , in solidarity

48:17

, a boycott of all

48:19

UTMB events going

48:22

forward . Yeah . Throw

48:26

, yeah , throw the cat among the pigeons there .

48:29

But that is that . That is genuinely

48:31

how people feel at the moment . And

48:34

even if if

48:36

you , if you listened to how

48:38

, if you listened to the interview after the race

48:40

by Jim Wormsley after UTMB

48:43

, there

48:45

were elements in that of of what

48:47

he was saying that was clearly

48:49

, clearly not saying

48:52

I'm not a fan of UTMB , I'm not a fan of this organization

48:55

. And there there are . There

48:57

has been taught , we've already got the trail running

48:59

association , professional trail running

49:01

association , and

49:04

actually they are pushing into

49:06

this area now

49:08

where at some point

49:10

they will be thinking do we

49:12

actually need to take a stand ? And

49:15

everything's so public now

49:17

. But but then I spoke

49:20

to another race director who

49:22

his race was like 500

49:24

people . Utmb came 3000

49:27

people the next year . So

49:29

there's this disconnect

49:32

between the community , the

49:34

old heart , and the community and the

49:36

elite and and

49:38

the people buying the tickets and actually do

49:41

their ticket sales in Asia . What

49:44

is the connection between those individuals ? Do they ? Do

49:46

they honestly care ?

49:49

And I think that's the thing . Like , does Europe matter

49:51

? That's the other thing , isn't it ? Yeah , yeah , we've

49:55

got the prestigious like races and things like that , which are nice to have

49:57

in the roster . Are those ? Is that the

49:59

? Is that the long game Really ? Yeah , probably

50:01

not . It's

50:03

like when , when they were talking about and you're going to wonder what the relevance is

50:05

when they were talking about the super league for football , everyone

50:08

was going oh , you know , you ripped the heart out of football

50:10

, you know all these supporters and stuff like that

50:12

, and you're like this isn't . This isn't about

50:15

football in in in Europe or in

50:17

England or anything like that . This is about Asia

50:19

and all those markets where , when

50:22

they're going to . You know , it wouldn't surprise me if

50:24

you know Liverpool FC moved

50:26

to bloody China at some point like

50:28

a , like a franchise or something . Because that's what

50:30

it's about . You've got the . You've got the , the legacy

50:32

names . They're buying a legacy brand and

50:35

then you're building other brands around here

50:37

which are like closer to

50:39

home , that you know are going to , are going

50:41

to attract those as part of a UTM . But yeah

50:43

, that's , that's the play , that's the long play , it's

50:46

got .

50:47

And the races . The races aren't about

50:49

the elite , that's ultimately , and

50:52

um . Yeah , and there

50:54

was another article I saw , which I can't

50:56

if I put in here , where there

50:58

was some one of the races UTMB races

51:00

in Asia . There was no prize money , and

51:03

it was a newer race and they were saying like why

51:05

, why aren't our athletes allowed

51:08

to have prize money ? Why aren't we

51:10

supporting Asian runners

51:12

and therefore

51:15

, um , allowing them

51:17

to be more professional

51:19

, to train harder , to stand more of a chance

51:21

of becoming in the world elite ? And so

51:23

there's just so many things like that where

51:25

they're just it's . Utmb

51:28

is not about the elite anymore . None of

51:30

the series is it's all about , because

51:33

their business model is not based

51:35

at all on the

51:37

elite . It's all about the

51:40

, the mass market tickets , yeah

51:42

.

51:42

Well , yeah , I mean

51:44

, that's the thing is . It's going to be about building that up . Oh

51:47

, look at this , look at us . How

51:50

can UTMB again ? My goodness , I

51:52

love it , yeah .

51:54

Love it .

51:55

Exactly , the villain is the villain . It's the villain

51:57

we've been waiting for .

51:59

Yeah .

51:59

Absolutely .

52:01

And and it is . It is a watch this

52:03

space to see what happens , not just in

52:06

how they react to things and treat things , but

52:08

will there be a change of leadership

52:10

within UTMB ? That , to me

52:12

, is the big question now . Will

52:15

I not change how it's run

52:17

? No

52:19

, no , no , yeah , well

52:22

, do balance . I think I've . I've got to get on my work

52:25

now . I've I've got a filming

52:27

day with the team tomorrow . Can't wait , can't

52:29

wait . Um , but

52:31

do balance If there's any topics , any suggestions

52:33

and , um , thank you for

52:35

whoever tagged me into Kareem

52:38

Malcolm's post . Um , I'll

52:40

quickly check on my Instagram . That was extreme

52:42

. Yeah , if you do see stories out there

52:44

or things that are funny or

52:46

content like that .

52:47

But if you do see anything that UTMB

52:49

does wrong , we're going to be on their back

52:51

all the time , whatever it is even if

52:53

, even if they , even if they , even if

52:56

the spelling mistake in a in a social post

52:58

, no matter what it is , it's all going in the pot

53:00

.

53:01

But anything you think is fun or you

53:03

think is interesting or relevant . So

53:05

, um , thank you , sean Dyer , for uh , for

53:07

tagging me in that , um , but share it in the Facebook

53:10

group or tag us on socials so we can

53:12

see it . And I have invited Kareem

53:14

onto the podcast I don't know if she's seen that message

53:16

yet , cause we weren't friends before , but fingers

53:19

crossed we can get her on at some point and

53:21

just to hear about her story

53:23

, her journey , cause she's she's commentated so

53:25

many races , um , and and also

53:27

to , to get an understanding of her where she sees

53:30

, uh , improvements can be in the sport

53:32

, and whether we can then link her up with

53:34

the Hong Kong hundred . Come

53:36

on , let's get Kareem out there to the Hong Kong

53:38

hundreds or south down hundreds , now that

53:40

that's part of the um that's

53:43

part .

53:44

Well , yeah .

53:45

Yeah , world cultures , um

53:47

so can we get her commentating these

53:50

and are we going to see more of these races actually doing commentary

53:52

? So , uh , yeah

53:54

, anything to throw into the mix , jodie , anything

53:56

extra ?

53:57

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54:53

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55:00

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55:14

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55:16

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55:17

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