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Welcome to Baddest of Bad Boy Running

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. This week we talk about why

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Roger Ballester didn't win Sportsperson Lads in the

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Year the year that he won , well

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, the year that he did the stuff 4-Minute Mile . We

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also talk about JD , who's got some new

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challenges coming up Four laps

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of winter nuts . I talk about my 10k

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PB that I've just set oh

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, my days , amazing . And we also talk

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about missed jokes

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in marketing opportunities and how heartbreaking

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that is , and some great feedback from the

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do-badders on classic signs

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that someone's a newbie runner . And also

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how film

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and TV how they portray

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newbie runners the telltale signs

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that are always wrong . So

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take it away , boys .

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They're bad , they're boys

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and occasionally they talk

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about running . Yes , it's the

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Bad Boy Running podcast with

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your hosts Jody Rainsford

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and David Heller . Come

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back , baby , come back .

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But if I by by by , by , by by by by

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by . I must admit , I was a

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clone to be messing around

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. But daddy doesn't mean that

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you have to leave . Don't come

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back . Hello

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, jd Rainsford , Hello do-badders

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.

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How are we doing ? Hey

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David , how are you ? How's the ? Have

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you been breastfeeding this morning ?

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I've warmed some milk and then he didn't need

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it , so it's your bag .

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Oh my God , I was going to say to you

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one of the things because we were talking about

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the other day and

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I was talking to David about things

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that are really annoying

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when you have children , which

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you only realize when you have children

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. One of the most annoying things

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is food waste . Oh my God , it's

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just every time I go downstairs

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to see all the stuff that I've

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purchased and they have not eaten . Food

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waste is

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the most frustrating , and all the amount of time

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it takes you to create something or for someone

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to create something , for them to say they don't want

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it because of some inane

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reason that you just cannot

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. Or you open a packet of crisps when

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they were younger . You open a packet of crisps and

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they won't eat it because you didn't open it from the right

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side . You're like , oh my God , this

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is .

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I think you've got to be a firm parent , mate .

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We're , oh my God , don't , oh

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, you have just said the stupidest thing

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in the history of parents Amazing

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. Okay , I cannot wait . I cannot

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wait . What do you think ? Oh my God . It's

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like people who say , oh , do you know , my kids will never

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go on an iPad . Oh my God

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, oh my .

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God , I don't know , you're my God . Come on , let's have a little

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bit . Let's have a little bit . We

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starved . We weren't allowed to leave the table . We

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starved until we got yesterday's

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food back . We didn't eat it . We

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wouldn't get any pudding , just yeah

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, and that's

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the iPad thing . I

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do think our kid will use screens at some

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point . But food

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wise , yeah , I'm like right , okay , mate

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, it's you against me , man , let's have it , dude

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.

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We have sat at a table for hours

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and hours and hours . You

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are , oh my God , you've brilliant

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. I can't wait .

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You don't realise how stubborn this guy is , though that

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thing what you think you're going to

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beat a baby .

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Oh my God , it's a chance man . You are going

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to come up and get . Herc is going to beat

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you . You are going to have to get

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used to losing again and again

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, and again and again and

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again , publicly , in a humiliating

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way . You don't know what

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you're going to get . Herc is going to win everything

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. You are going to be a clean sweep all the time

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, every single time . It's like you

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are going to be Wrexham and he is going

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to be man City . You haven't got a chance

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.

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He's sat on

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the step outside at the moment in the cold

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with a bottle of milk and he's not coming in

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until he's finished it .

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Did you ever see those images of

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those kids

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in cages that they used to do

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in the 1930s or whatever ? They

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used to put kids in cages on

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the outside of buildings .

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Is that right ?

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It sounds so ridiculous , but this whole idea

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is that they are supposed to be outside in

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the cold or whatever . But if you lived in an apartment

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block , the only place you could do is you could put one

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in a cage . It's the most frightening looking

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thing .

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It's like an air conditioning unit , but

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it's a cage with a child in it . Was

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this in England or was this in communist

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?

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Russia .

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New York it's the coldest place on earth

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in the winter .

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They used to be thinking that if

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you watched any of the parenting

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, there was

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a whole series of TV shows that were about different

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types of parenting . There

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was one where they'd

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have some kids and they were like little

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shits , and then what they'd do is someone would come in

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and do , oh , this is like 50

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style parenting , and they'd do that in a week , and

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then someone come in this is 70 style and then they come in

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and they do 90 style , which is basically just let them do whatever the fuck they want

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Sugar . Yeah , exactly

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that's it . And so , but

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in the 50s , when it was always like you know , with

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the babies , you'd

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leave them outside in the cold in

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a push chair because

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that's what

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you were told to do , and

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my mum was like , yeah , that's what we used to do with you . And

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I'm like , oh , that looks

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cruel , just

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leave us outside in the cold . Yeah , because

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the children need the cold . I'm like

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what the fuck ? Like what ? What does that even mean

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? No , it's weird . I

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better tell .

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Can you bring Hercules in from outside

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, please ? I

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never watched the second episode of that TV show .

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I just I got some of it . I got some of it , I

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just didn't get all of it and everything .

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Mate , I've got a new personal best . I've got a new PB . Oh

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for what 10K

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.

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Oh , why ? Okay , oh yeah , how was it ?

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It was weird

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. It was strange . Where's the last time you raced

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, raced ? Oh God

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, I can't remember . I've

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forgotten how well the good thing is actually

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, because I've not normally raced 5Ks

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, 10ks . The great thing about it you

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need to do fuck all in advance , you don't

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need to carb load , you don't have to traipse

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across town , you

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just have a normal life , get up and run

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it , which actually is really nice

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. But we're

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back at where one

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of the greatest locations , the Olympic Park

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, of course . How

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is a 10K fall lapse in

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the Olympic Park ?

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Fall lapse .

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Yeah , crazy , and

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also it's a lovely event . This isn't the one that's

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really complicated , is it ? I've

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done the half marathon there before . This

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is with Run Through , who are really nice organization

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, and the half marathon

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is back where I think do badders

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should take it on and try and run as

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aggressive cornering as possible and the winner

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is the person who has

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the shortest distance on their

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Strava . This wasn't

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that , because the root was there

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are quite a few turns , but it wasn't crazy

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intricate . It was more a couple

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of squares with a

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link

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together over a bridge . But

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you're starting 5K and

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10K together and

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you're doing full apps . So

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the level

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of intensity of runners , to start with one

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, I'm not used to starting with that many people

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ahead of me because I've not raced in years

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, so I've forgotten . Not only

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am I not fast anymore , but also

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running's moved on .

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It's just not delusional anymore . That's all . That's

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good . It's good . The reality

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is here , yeah , but even in our minds we've

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always put those people in front of you .

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But if you think about seven , eight years

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ago , there are far more

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fast runners now than there are then .

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If you were looking at people who are I

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agree with you , but it does sound like you do sound

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mental as well . I can say something like

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that . I agree with you . I know exactly

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what you mean , but it sounds like the rantings

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of a nutcase . Yeah , but People

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are far quicker these days than they were

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in the old days .

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But not only are there super shoes , but

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actually I think Park Run has

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meant .

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Don't pick . People have brought Don't Pick

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to much smaller events now , and that is

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.

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Yeah , but so , and it's

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a great thing for society , but there

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are more people running 5Ks , 10ks

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, than there were five years ago , 10

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years ago , and they're faster

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and they're wearing super shoes .

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That's the thing . I think . People get very

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obsessed with ultras

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and the rise of ultras , but what

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we do forget the rise

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of ultras has been nothing compared with

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the rise of the amount of people doing

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5Ks and 10Ks , which has been far more complex

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. It's just not as

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interesting , apart from the

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Park Run stories . Not as interesting because ultras

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have this sort of lore around them and stuff

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. But the

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rise of the 5K and the 10K . The

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10K , I think , is the most popular

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distance , I

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think , for the majority of

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people who call themselves runners , so

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, but you kind of forget that .

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Who call themselves runners . That's

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a little bit of a Well I

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call themselves , Do you ? Who's that

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dick ? I don't know . I

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was trying to label themselves .

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Well , no , I was . So

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the opposite of saying it that

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way is saying that the 10K

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is the most popular distance , which I

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don't know if you necessarily said . Well , I say

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people who are training for

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races , I think 10K

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is most popular . I don't know how

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to say the statistic without getting it wrong

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, but I think the majority of people

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, because marathon is a very popular distance

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, but people , I think , who run

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on a so

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regular runners prefer 10Ks ? Yeah

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, that's what , yeah , regular runners ? I think 10K

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is more , and

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it's grown . It's grown massively , hasn't it ?

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Yeah , and actually the . But starting

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a race 5K and 10K together when

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it's already , it just means that

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you start , and I was looking like wow

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, I know I'm not what I used to be

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, but there seem to be thousands

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of people ahead of me .

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Do you . And so how ? Because

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I imagine that you can be quite

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Dispassionate

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about that . I don't think you could be

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that bothered . But how does that ? Does

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something around your ego kick in at this

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point ? Because there's lots of other little things . It's like

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I'll just become a dad , can't lose my age

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. I

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haven't done this distance for a while . Does

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anything else like that kick in ?

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Not yet . Actually it's because

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that's

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what's good about running , because times are times , right

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, and you know what you were , you know where you

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are . So actually you're coming into

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it and thinking .

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Yeah , it's your entire status .

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Your entire status . But

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also do you , you just ?

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know , are you better now than you were ? And

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if you're not , what's the point

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? Like carry on ?

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You've got to create these little girls . But

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also I haven't started

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a race with caffeine in

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my system for years because

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you wouldn't do that in altruism or marathons

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or the like , and so I

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took some caffeine before .

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That also the listeners are going what ?

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What ? Well , because

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I've not raced anything short

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in years and years and years . And

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so actually starting and

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having this flood of people ahead

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of me and being pumped of caffeine

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, it's bloody hard to not

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run too fast . At the start

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, oh my God , and I was pacing

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out thinking this is insanity

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, that , looking around , thinking , are these people this quick

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? Surely not , but actually

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most of them were .

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But also age wise . How old

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were the people around you ? Was it a real mix ?

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The .

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I'm trying to remember now how expensive was

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the 10K , because this is the other

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thing . Is it like the same

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price as an ultra , like how much was

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it ?

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It was something like 25 quid Around

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those yeah yeah . Because

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run through are really cheap . They

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, that's their model . They Wow

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, they're kind of Things

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they're not even know thrills . They are well

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run Like when you turned up and there was Christmas hats

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.

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They've got incredible sponsor ?

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No , what it is , and

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actually it do bad . Should we speak

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to Matt Wood , who set

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up run through ? His

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dad is the guy who's the absolute

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beast . You know when , about four

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years ago , there was a guy in his 50s

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60s who looks like Arnie

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, just smashing all these times

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? Yeah , absolute , that's his dad

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. But we could interview

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Matt Wood about it because , from

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what I can tell , their business model started off

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as we just turn up at a park . We

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don't you pick up your bib

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number on the day and we're not making

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loads of money off each race , but we're doing

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loads and loads of races and

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so I think they make a

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. They're now . They had lots of volunteers

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and

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it's A

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lot of . You do look at races and think how

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does it cost so much ? Where does the money go ? And

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their model .

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I thought it's normally two things , isn't it ? It's

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insurance and

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the cost of hiring that you

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know , closing the roads or hiring

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things and I think a lot of things with ultras and stuff is

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that a lot of councils and stuff

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have got wise to it and have started charging them more

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, which creates a cost . But also

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, I think the benefit of London

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is that volunteers

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can get there cheaply , which I

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think negatively affects

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places where people are going to drive , going

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to go distance . You know volunteers are going to spend a lot

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of their own money , whereas it's the cost of your

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time in a tube ticket , isn't it ? I

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?

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think probably what they've done well , and

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actually let's get them on , let's chat to them . Yeah , yeah , yeah

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, yeah but good , I suspect

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volunteers are free because they've

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got a real community around them

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, but also a lot of their runs

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are in parks and

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as we've as we know from the Half-Manethala

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did I said it was the most intricate one I

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think they've not come at it from

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a . We need to design courses

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that are going to be as fast as

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possible , to set personal bests

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, like to set PBs

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. They've come at it and thought

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let's put a run in this

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park . How do we do that ? Oh

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, it's three loops up a hill , whereas

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everyone else is like right to do a

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Half-Manethala and to do a 10K . We're going to have to close

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down all the roads . We need to not go through

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that bit because that will slow them down . So we need

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to do this road that has to be straight there , whereas

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they've just said let's put a race on

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in this park , in this area

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, and they've almost , I think they've

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probably cherry-picked locations

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that are good

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for cheaply putting

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on a race . Yeah , but

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to achieve that , you're sacrificing

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certain elements of

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races that you might See

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. It's a real mix of people there

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, but I imagine I get the sense . To start

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with , it wasn't club runners , it

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was people who were thinking oh

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, I'm going to sign up for a 10K . I've

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got no expectation of what a

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10K is . This is cheap . I

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turn up , everyone seems nice , I've

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done my 10K . Oh great , wasn't that good

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? Rather than thinking , wait

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, wait , why wasn't this , why wasn't that ? I

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think they had a lot of new people coming

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into the sport with forgiving

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eyes because they were new and it was a nice

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organization . But , yeah

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, let's ask , we'll get Woody on my message

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him . But

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also , it's

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bloody confusing when you're doing full laps

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. Firstly I'm going

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oh my God , I'm running too fast

17:16

, I need to slow down here . But also

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you're thinking are these all 5k runners

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ahead of me ? Yeah , they must all be 5k

17:23

runners , they must be . Surely I'm not this

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far back .

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And then you never know . Did they have bottles

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of Lucas Ate Sport that they were downing beforehand

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? Is that the they ?

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all had sweat bands . They all had head bands yeah

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, cotton t-shirts . Knee braces cotton

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t-shirts yeah , absolutely . But

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then after lap one , and you suddenly

17:42

realize , well , you're catching

17:44

the bat markers . And so there

17:47

was this hope , as I was going

17:49

round , that after

17:51

, on the second lap , all these people would

17:53

be pulling in to finish

17:55

their 5k and I'd be like , oh wow

17:58

, I'm suddenly really high up the

18:00

positionings . But you've no idea

18:02

, because , well , partly because I was so far

18:04

off the quick runners , but

18:06

also , you're then running through

18:09

hundreds of people on

18:11

the laps and so you've just got no sense of

18:13

who's ahead of you , and but actually

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I was way back anyway , but

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it's , it's such a different it

18:20

wasn't what I'd prepared

18:23

for mentally to then being

18:25

like , right now it's time for some aggressive

18:28

cornering . And it became quite fun because

18:30

there was , I think , the guy , who was a guy

18:32

called Tim , who was turned out was second

18:34

for that 45 , he

18:37

was ahead of me and I could see him ahead of me on

18:39

lap two or three and then I was just tracking

18:41

him down by running more aggressive

18:44

lines and I was . I was taking real

18:46

joy in seeing him doing all

18:48

this extra mileage , having to overtake

18:50

people , not having a great , a great

18:52

racing line , but

18:55

yeah , fuck me , it's . It's hard when

18:58

you're . I was on pace

19:00

until mile four and even

19:02

on mile two I was feeling pretty tired

19:04

because I hadn't , I was just knackered and

19:07

and yeah , I double dropped

19:09

caffeine which I hadn't done in years

19:11

either , and finished with some

19:14

guy pipped me on the line out , sprang

19:16

me twat . But also I was

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like , damn you , that's what I'd have

19:21

done . And yeah , I

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wanted , I wanted some 37 . I got

19:25

four seconds under , which actually I was really

19:29

pleased by because I didn't think I was going to

19:31

do it coming into it . I didn't think I was

19:34

going to do it halfway round or

19:36

even like 20% of the way around

19:38

, and and and now I'm like actually

19:42

this is just it's , it's , I

19:44

was so , it was just so

19:46

nice , because for me

19:48

, I think it's , it

19:51

almost has given me belief

19:54

that if I do

19:56

find the time to train , my body will respond

19:58

and I will respond and I will improve

20:00

. And for a long

20:03

time , my body's

20:05

, because I've not been able to train well , or

20:08

for a long period of all these things , my

20:10

I've just not felt that I'm making

20:12

significant progress , whereas

20:15

now I do think

20:17

if I were to suddenly

20:19

have the time to be able to train hard , that I might be able

20:22

to return to the kind of runner I was

20:24

.

20:26

If I suddenly had the time to be able to train hard , to

20:28

be able to train hard or

20:32

the , or the motivation .

20:35

But this is part of the motivation , you know .

20:39

So how quick ? How quick is your PB

20:41

? If you don't mind me asking .

20:44

I haven't got one because 10k

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is not a time that I

20:49

never really raced , so I've

20:51

run faster 10ks in half marathons

20:54

. I might have even run a faster 10k

20:56

. No , I wouldn't have run a faster 10k in a marathon , but

20:58

yeah , I've run faster 10ks in half marathon . I've

21:00

probably run faster 10ks in

21:03

some races like man V series

21:05

where I was running down . But

21:07

yes

21:09

, I have no idea . I think if I was , I

21:12

could probably go sub 34 , if

21:14

I'd have been Comrade's fitness , mds

21:16

fitness , but I never did that , so I

21:18

don't know .

21:20

But my yeah 5k times that you guessed . So what did

21:22

you do ? What is your PB ? So what did you do

21:24

then in the race ?

21:25

So , 36 , 56

21:28

, I think it was .

21:29

See , the thing is , you've made such errors . You've made

21:31

such an error by trying . Ever

21:34

, Because the thing is , I know that

21:36

I could go out and I

21:39

could probably do a 10k PB . Yeah

21:42

, my 10k BBs bump about an hour and a half , because

21:44

the last time , last time I did it , like I said , I was dressed as

21:46

Buzz Lightyear , so I can start

21:48

, I can start . When was that the PBs ? That

21:51

was 2014

21:54

.

21:56

2000 .

21:57

I was still doing it for Ben's running . That's still

21:59

right for Ben's running .

22:00

It was a mate , this is your year

22:02

Next year , so not this year . This is

22:04

a year . You've got 10 days .

22:06

It's interesting . It's interesting that

22:08

you say that , because I

22:10

was looking at different races and one of the races

22:12

I was looking at was I'll going back

22:14

to Winter Nuts

22:16

and doing four

22:18

laps , but it doesn't look

22:21

like you can anymore . Really

22:23

, it only looks like you can do two laps or Winter Nuts .

22:27

Interesting , which

22:30

would make sense , right , I guess

22:32

it's . If you're

22:36

the not organiser and suddenly

22:39

you haven't got the Obstacle Race League there and

22:41

maybe OCR has died

22:43

. Who wants to do four laps

22:45

of Winter Nuts without that competition

22:48

there ?

22:51

Unless I'm totally missing something . But

22:53

I did email to say

22:55

why can't you do four anymore ?

22:57

Why did you want to do four , though ? What's

23:01

the appeal of going back to ? Because

23:04

I'm surprised

23:06

by that , just because not only do

23:08

you have to get the fitness , but you also have to get the technique

23:10

. It's bloody cold versus

23:13

.

23:15

I can bundle my way around three laps quite

23:17

easily . I just that

23:19

twat bloody timed me out . But

23:23

you had done quite a lot of training at

23:25

the time I had done quite a lot of training . I've done

23:28

a couple of sessions with Michael

23:32

around technique and stuff . That's

23:34

it . So the technique was that

23:37

you pick that up and I'll go . You could see I didn't

23:39

have any technique when it came to anything

23:42

that was called the rope

23:44

traverse or anything else like that stuff

23:46

that you need to kind of work on , but basic

23:49

stuff . I also had Lee

23:52

as well that I could use him as a step

23:54

, which was quite useful .

23:56

Well , how about we set you , if we get

23:58

? We asked someone like Michael

24:01

Ridgley , who knows the course incredibly

24:03

well , to say what

24:06

he would see is an equivalent time

24:08

over two laps . Or we could ask Pete Pete Reed

24:11

what he would see is an equivalent time over two

24:13

laps , or

24:15

finishing four laps , so

24:17

that you can be set a target time

24:20

that if you did that , you know

24:22

to be able to get that time you'd have

24:24

to be good enough that

24:26

you would then be able to finish the four . Had

24:28

that been on .

24:32

Yeah , I mean that's yeah . I suppose that's the thing to

24:34

do , isn't it ? Because I think you have to like learning the technique

24:36

is quite important .

24:38

If I'd have learned any of the technique , I think

24:40

yeah , well , it obviously done I wouldn't

24:45

have been timed out by the the

24:48

but also if they , if they've

24:50

cut back on the four laps , there's a chance

24:52

they've cut back on some of the obstacles

24:54

because you suspect , I'd suspect

24:56

that you wouldn't , you wouldn't

24:59

put all of them on . If some of them are expensive

25:01

, you'd start . If you're trimming your budgets

25:03

, you'd probably start to trim some

25:05

of the ones that you're like I actually that's costing

25:08

me a fair bit , so it might be . It's even

25:10

easier now .

25:12

Yeah , we don't say that , though , do you ? You just say and

25:15

global warming sophisticated global

25:17

warming . Well , I said , I've just I've

25:19

been , I would have been relying on climate change

25:21

to help me through this one . Well

25:25

, I just I think , is I mean ?

25:28

wait , what are the dates of winter nuts ?

25:31

Is the second of March .

25:33

Second of March and

25:35

I've just checked the half marathon

25:38

is in

25:41

the Olympic Park . Oh mate , this

25:44

is good news it's a third of March , so

25:46

you could go back to back

25:48

glory back to back .

25:51

Oh my god , that'd be great Winter

25:53

nuts . Then

25:56

half marathon I

25:59

could do . I could do what I could possibly do . A

26:01

Pb half marathon

26:03

as well . Yeah , yeah

26:06

, yeah , my half marathon Pb's rubbish

26:08

.

26:10

Well , do bad , as we're going to have a vote

26:12

. What should you do ? Should he do

26:14

half marathon , pb or

26:17

two laps winter nuts ?

26:18

But also , you've reminded me of a story that really

26:20

frustrated me to be fair , if it's only

26:22

two laps of winter nuts , I'm not going to go and do two laps

26:24

of winter nuts , because two laps

26:26

of winter nuts I've done before . Like

26:30

I don't know

26:32

it doesn't excite me . Anyway , I need to do four

26:34

laps of winter nuts .

26:35

I need to do the four , four laps so

26:38

we can ask if who

26:41

is . I'm trying to remember the lovely gentleman

26:44

that was in charge of nuts Wayne

26:46

, Wayne , Wayne , if you're

26:48

out there , can JD come at

26:50

four in the morning to do two

26:52

laps by himself

26:54

?

26:56

before the start of winter

26:58

it's like the good old days of doing

27:02

the double for the marathon

27:06

, chris , or the backwards London marathon . Yes

27:08

, at G-law , and I would turn up , as it called

27:11

, a couple of hours early and do

27:14

test the course , as it were

27:16

. I tell you what . I tell you what a

27:18

nut challenge . It would be great if , in between

27:21

each

27:24

of the laps , there were beers and a bar

27:26

snack . That

27:29

would be the great winter beerathon

27:31

.

27:32

Well , Wayne , if you're out there , can

27:34

JD do that ? Because if the answer is yes

27:36

, we have ourselves a challenge . But

27:39

that phrase has just made me remember

27:41

something that really annoyed me the other day . Do

27:43

you ever walk around and you see missed

27:46

copywriting opportunities ? How

27:49

did you not see that ?

27:51

Oh my god , I just missed , generally

27:53

missed commercial opportunities all

27:56

the time .

27:57

We walked past our local church

27:59

and we heard there were

28:02

carols and stuff . So we

28:04

went in and there

28:06

was this carols kind of random . You

28:11

could sing where you were sat

28:13

, but it wasn't a form of service . There

28:15

was songs going on and people charging around

28:17

. It was great because you could get a crap load

28:19

of cheap cake . Basically

28:21

is what what church seems to be very good for

28:23

currently . But on the sign of the

28:25

church it had

28:28

and this is how middle class

28:30

where we live is it had

28:33

a you could come in and listen

28:35

to , back with your

28:37

baby . And the

28:40

poster said something like baby

28:42

and back . Oh , no

28:45

, no , yeah

28:47

. And I was like how

28:49

how have you opportunity

28:51

? You've got two words that

28:55

All you need . You've

28:57

just you just need to change one word and you've got

28:59

one of the most .

29:01

From the jewels of victory that

29:03

would have been the most photograph thing

29:05

in that area . Like that is how you

29:07

get the church on the map .

29:09

Come on oh my god , oh , and

29:11

I , and I saw it's like I

29:13

almost wanted to graffiti it Um , do it

29:16

, but do it . But it was fine

29:18

, but but I think it was even back and baby

29:20

, there was even the wrong order of them . It's like oh

29:23

, do you not realize ? Or

29:25

do you think they realized and and they're like we don't

29:27

want to be associated with , with I

29:29

don't think , I don't think that was wrapped , or so

29:33

if anyone's and just think , do you think

29:35

there is someone listening to this who hasn't got

29:37

it yet ? He doesn't know ?

29:38

well , I think they're thinking one . Who

29:40

you talking about ? And we're talking about bark , of course

29:42

. Um , but yes , but back

29:45

. But

29:47

come on from north , but bath , baths

29:49

back . But

29:52

um , you're talking about some mix

29:54

a lot .

29:55

So mix a lot and we're not gonna say . We're

29:57

not gonna say the phrase if you don't know it . In

30:03

fact , we're gonna ask in the group what other marketing

30:05

opportunities copyright our church

30:08

is missing .

30:08

What other marketing opportunities ? I

30:11

Think I've

30:13

got to say I don't think churches are great at

30:15

marketing . I don't . It might

30:17

be controversial . There was , um , there's

30:19

a . I don't understand how

30:21

churches work and stuff like that . I know that that's

30:24

more of your bag , but I there's

30:26

a , there's a church thing and it's

30:28

like this alpha course thing which sounds Scientology

30:31

like , which I don't really know about , but for a while

30:33

it had a picture of Bear

30:37

grills on it . Bear grills was doing some kind

30:39

of like our course type thing and everything

30:41

. And interestingly so

30:43

that actually does just remind me of something else

30:46

which I thought you'd find funny my

30:48

kids . I walked into the room , they

30:51

were . I heard them laughing , but

30:53

laughing in a really kind of dirty ha

30:55

ha ha , really mischievous way . So

30:58

there's a On Netflix

31:00

. You know , sometimes you get those games

31:02

like interactive games , like you

31:05

know that , like the black mirror one yeah

31:08

, I mean what it was called now , but yeah , but they're interactive games

31:10

and you get a bit boss baby . Another one there

31:13

was one called man

31:15

vs the wild and it was a bear grill . It was

31:17

better . There's two of them bear grills ones , and bear

31:19

grills go , is it ? And then he gets landed somewhere

31:21

, and then they've got to make choices about what

31:23

he does . Nice and

31:25

I walked in . I was like what are you doing ? And they're going

31:28

, oh , we're trying , we're trying our

31:30

best to kill Bear Grills . So

31:32

what they were trying to do is they were trying to make the

31:34

worst decisions possible for him

31:36

to die Is he terrible and

31:38

they feel more of these scenes where he's is

31:41

, unfortunately by anacondas . This

31:43

was where , like , everything goes wrong because they

31:45

make all the wrong decisions , and of course he

31:47

gets really dramatic about it , goes oh , I

31:50

, I don't know how much longer I'm going to survive

31:52

. We should have got water first , rather than

31:54

for shelter . And now , and now

31:56

I'm feeling dizzy and I'm , and then he cut it

31:58

, cuts and goes oh , do you want to start again ? So

32:00

they kept , they kept killing him . I'm like

32:03

I as much as that's funny

32:05

. I'm not sure that that's the . That's the

32:07

right attitude to take .

32:09

I think that's the best . Let's do the ice one .

32:11

He dies much quicker . I'm like oh , go on then , go

32:14

on , then , show me what he does .

32:16

That's great . You're kids in proper , do badders

32:18

.

32:20

I love the fact . I love the fact that we're working together

32:23

to try and kill Bear Grills . I didn't know they could really

32:25

come together to collaborate in

32:28

that way to try and work out how

32:30

to company .

32:31

They didn't see , it didn't film the death

32:33

scenes . They that surely ?

32:34

would have been great , wouldn't it ?

32:36

That would have been a superlative for marketing

32:38

. That would have been viral . Surely , having

32:41

all these , all these deaths

32:43

of Bear Grills would be great . So

32:47

what else we can do ? We were going to talk

32:49

about sports personality .

32:53

Yeah , I was so . So listen up . When I got on the

32:55

call this morning , I was just say today

32:57

I said to David that I've already been told

32:59

off this morning

33:01

, literally , like

33:03

I mean , I must have been awake for less than

33:06

60 seconds and

33:08

I got told off because they're just making one

33:10

comment , because Hugo was sat

33:12

next to me in bed looking at the , because he want , you

33:15

know , of course he has to check all the football scores

33:17

in the morning and

33:19

of course , sports personality of the year was on there

33:21

and

33:24

if

33:26

you or spoiler , you'll know . But now Mary

33:30

Mary , up one , the England

33:32

and Manchester United goalkeeper , and

33:35

all I made the comment , or this is

33:37

the only comment I made was I

33:40

thought you had to win something in

33:42

order to at least win sports personality

33:44

, and I was like I'm going to win this year , which apparently

33:46

is well

33:48

, actually , when I look , it actually puts

33:50

me in the same category as Piers Morgan , which

33:52

I didn't realise at the time , which I

33:55

, you know , and it's not . That's

33:57

really hard , but I've not come to say . All

33:59

I was saying is that , because it was

34:01

going oh , but it's about , you know , women's representation

34:04

and it's about , you know , and it's about inspiring

34:07

girls and stuff like that . I totally get all

34:09

of that and I was well . I also said , well

34:11

, beth Mead won it last year , so didn't

34:14

she inspire girls last year ? But the

34:16

point , the point I was making was that

34:18

when that you could absolutely

34:20

do all of that and yeah , loads

34:22

of winners have done that , you know , actually

34:24

it's quite balanced , but apart from a period

34:26

in , I think in about the 20

34:29

tens or something like that , where literally it was a

34:31

male winner for like 10 , whole 10 years

34:33

. But generally

34:36

it's quite balanced in terms of male

34:38

, female winners and stuff like that . But

34:41

the common denominator generally that you've won something

34:43

, apart from those years when

34:45

it's a country we don't win anything and we just

34:47

not . But it's not called sports

34:50

. Well it might not be , no , well , that's

34:52

the thing , that's the thing , it

34:55

doesn't matter . But I just

34:57

think if you're going up against people who have

34:59

won stuff , yeah , then

35:01

I just I've again

35:04

, I find it quite difficult . I find it quite difficult

35:06

because if it's all about kind

35:08

of representation of things like that , then Raheem Sterling

35:10

should have won that , and I feel quite aggrieved

35:12

about the Raheem Sterling thing because he didn't win . Raheem

35:15

Sterling has done , like you know , his

35:17

the work that he's

35:19

done and he won stuff

35:21

at the highest level and he was even

35:23

recognized what Premier League I

35:26

didn't leave a couple cups . Yeah , exactly with man

35:28

City , but he was man City

35:31

.

35:31

Yeah , yeah yeah , absolutely .

35:34

But I don't know , I just is it ? Yeah

35:36

, I don't know , I got told

35:38

off and then obviously I'm dumped in the same

35:40

category as they . I have no issue , I

35:43

just , I just . I mean the

35:45

fact that man United means it shouldn't win anything at

35:47

all and won't win anything because she is man

35:49

United which is she won

35:51

the . Golden Ball . She

35:53

won the Golden Gloves . Didn't she go

35:56

in the Golden Gloves , which is you know

35:58

?

36:01

They get a goalkeeper win something .

36:02

Actually it is nice that goal , because what goalkeepers are

36:04

never really like whenever the Ballon d'Or comes

36:07

up , like a goalkeeper like never

36:09

, ever wins it Like the closest . It was

36:11

Courtois winning it , who was absolutely

36:13

incredible in the Champions League final

36:16

for Real Madrid and he should have

36:18

. He should have won it on the

36:20

basis of because

36:22

the Ballon d'Or is the actual , is the proper one . They

36:24

just give the Golden Glove one because goalkeepers don't

36:26

get anything , so it's nice that a goalkeeper's

36:28

one , because goalkeepers aren't thing . But you know , oh

36:31

, so she didn't win the overall .

36:33

She did . She just won the glove one .

36:36

In the Ballon d'Or .

36:37

Yeah , yeah . So

36:40

she didn't win the female Ballon d'Or .

36:43

Oh , wait a minute . I don't know Actually , I don't know . Maybe

36:45

she did , I don't know . I'm

36:47

getting it mixed up now .

36:49

Well , we said last week that we would look into

36:52

how Roger Banister

36:54

didn't win Sportspersonality

36:56

of the Year because Chris

36:59

Chathoway did . And

37:02

this is

37:04

interesting how . It's

37:08

quite an insight into society because

37:10

clearly people didn't give a shit enough

37:12

about the sub four minute mile as much as we

37:15

do now . So

37:18

Chris Chathoway was his pacemaker

37:20

. But then he went on . He

37:22

came second in the five thousand in

37:24

the European champs but

37:27

he then later won in

37:30

a world record at the

37:32

London

37:35

versus Moscow athletics

37:37

competition . So he got the world record

37:39

which was televised

37:41

via the Eurovision Network and made

37:44

Chathoway a sporting celebrity

37:46

. So because

37:49

that had been televised , it

37:51

seems from Wikipedia

37:54

, who knows how to do this Is because

37:57

he'd been televised setting the world record in

38:00

the 5K , but they called it the three

38:02

mile . That's why

38:04

he won the

38:08

Sportspersonality of the Year , because the more people

38:10

knew him and more people voted for him versus

38:12

Roger Banister breaking the sub four minute

38:14

mile , which

38:17

just shows actually that it is a

38:19

FKT . Yeah

38:22

, but who would have thought

38:24

actually , when you look back , and will

38:27

we ? Because the sub two

38:29

everyone's seeing is a massive thing

38:32

for the marathon . They're seeing that now

38:34

, but I think that's probably because of the sub four

38:36

being seen as such a big thing

38:38

. We now assume that the

38:40

sub two is , but in future

38:42

years will that be the case , or

38:45

will actually people this

38:48

, this person's ? They came second in the Euro is

38:50

not a big deal , but they won , I think , the

38:52

Commonwealth at some point . And yet they

38:54

were seen as being the nation's beloved

38:57

. More than what .

38:58

That's . I mean , I suppose that's really what Sportspersonality

39:00

is , isn't it ? It's a lot of it's marketing

39:03

, because we've talked about

39:05

marketing , but I suppose it is visibility

39:07

, isn't it ? It's about what , what , what

39:09

that person means

39:11

to to

39:14

the broader , the

39:17

broader public , and see you having

39:20

a having a story behind it as well , is

39:22

quite important , which I think is something that Mary Erbs

39:24

does , like she did the whole thing about the the

39:27

goalkeeper kit , you know , not being put

39:30

on sale and then fighting to

39:32

fighting Nike to have it put on sale and then

39:34

it's selling out in like Is that right

39:36

?

39:36

I didn't know that story .

39:37

Yeah , basically , you know , I mean it does . It

39:39

doesn't make sense to me . Who wants a fucking goalkeepers

39:42

kit ? But yeah

39:44

, but in doing so , then made

39:46

the goalkeepers kit popular . I

39:50

mean because everyone knows that when you've got kids and

39:53

they're playing football , they always

39:55

want to go in gold , like they would either strike or go

39:57

in gold , and you do , you do them your best

39:59

to keep them out of that goal . You're like you

40:02

know , if someone asks who wants to be goalkeeper

40:04

, you say you don't say anything

40:06

. You let someone else be the goalkeeper , because you might

40:09

not , because

40:11

the goalkeeper can't affect anything . Playing a team

40:13

sport where you can't affect anything is the worst

40:15

thing ever .

40:16

The goalkeeper can affect things massively .

40:19

You can't affect . If you've got it it's

40:21

a bill massively it can . It can

40:23

definitely save you , save you points and

40:25

things like that . But again , if your defense is terrible

40:27

, you can't , you can't physically go up there

40:29

and take control of the game it's . You're literally

40:32

, you're impotent .

40:33

So your your assumption , then , is that your

40:35

children are . So your assumption

40:38

is your children are so incredible that

40:40

if they're in a terrible team , they could

40:42

still win the game single-handedly

40:44

with their talent .

40:47

Hugo at the last game tournament

40:49

we watched that he was playing

40:52

in he

40:54

. They went

40:56

2-0 down . Then he took

40:59

the game by the scuffer . He's very good , he's

41:01

got , he has , he has , he's got

41:03

he's single-handedly won

41:05

the game .

41:05

Yeah , three , three , three , three .

41:06

No , no , no . He single-handedly got them back to

41:08

to to all , and as he was

41:10

walking back back to the other pitch , every

41:14

single parent heard him shout I'm

41:17

carrying this entire team

41:20

, which which you couldn't

41:22

disagree with , Was

41:24

he ?

41:24

repeating his father .

41:26

I know . Well , everyone looked at me . I don't know

41:28

why everyone looked at me when that , when that happened

41:30

, and it was kind of like is

41:33

he lying ? Is he , is he

41:35

not telling the truth ? Is he not

41:37

carrying this entire team ? So

41:40

yeah , so I

41:42

know who . No one wants to be caught , yeah , but that's the

41:44

point . So , basically , they , they released the England

41:47

kit . They didn't release

41:50

the goalkeepers kit

41:52

because , well , again , but they should

41:54

again . I don't know what made

41:56

them think what . What was going

41:58

to happen if they didn't do this ?

42:01

I don't know . They didn't do it because they probably never

42:03

have and it was a commercial decision .

42:04

Well , it was a commercial , it was entirely a commercial decision , which

42:06

makes total sense and everything . Yeah , because

42:09

no one wants the goalkeepers kit , until

42:11

you tell people that you can't get something

42:13

. And then , all of a sudden , people who

42:15

never wanted a goalkeeper's kit wanted a goalkeeper's kit

42:17

.

42:18

And how did Nike respond ? Did they say

42:20

it was a commercial decision , because the goalkeepers

42:22

just get , don't say well , or did they come up

42:24

with some other thing , or ?

42:26

I think that's what they said in the first place . And then

42:28

they , they , they , then they did

42:30

the kit , then they put the kit and of course it sells out

42:32

, and then you know , and

42:35

so , and so I think that

42:37

part of it is probably probably helped

42:39

, the you

42:41

know the , the Marriott's

42:44

thing , because there is story around it and

42:47

you know yeah she does have a , she does have a story

42:49

about you know I'm pleased she's one .

42:51

I think she's right to have one now , because

42:54

I'm not . I'm not over .

42:56

I mean a Johnson Thompson .

42:57

Absolutely what , what , what kind of

42:59

what caused did Katarina

43:02

Johnson Thompson raise ? You

43:05

can't buy a . Where's the heptathlon kit

43:07

of KJT ? There isn't one . Why

43:09

? Because she's not as bad as Marylops

43:11

.

43:11

Who are the best people who've never won it

43:13

Like um no

43:15

, and it wasn't a years that

43:18

Leonardo DiCaprio didn't win . There

43:20

was , but he did eventually , but then for a film

43:22

that wasn't his best film . I mean , it's just so stupid

43:25

.

43:25

Ironic right , ironic , well

43:27

, it's like .

43:28

it's like Peter Jackson . Peter Jackson , they didn't

43:30

allow him to basically win the

43:32

Academy Award until

43:35

, like the final Lord of the Rings film , because

43:37

they were kind of saving it up . So

43:39

, and Return of the King is not the

43:41

best Lord of the Rings film . In fact , none of them

43:43

are . They're awful , but

43:46

they save it up for that one . So , whoever

43:48

, whoever , whichever good film was it I mean , the

43:50

Oscars are a joke as well . In fact , when

43:52

we were talking about it last time , the next

43:54

day , hugo was

43:56

in the car and he goes Duddy , I

43:59

heard you talking about

44:01

the Ballon d'Or and you

44:03

used the F word at least

44:05

three or four times , saying

44:07

that it was an F joke , and

44:10

I said , oh right , did I ? He goes

44:12

. I completely agree with you . He

44:15

dropped the F bomb . We were

44:17

talking about it . I think I was getting much more upset

44:20

about it , I think , than I , than I realized

44:22

I am .

44:23

F in carrying this team .

44:26

No , I don't . I think he wouldn't swear . He wouldn't swear

44:28

.

44:29

Oh yeah . Well , it's just a matter of time

44:32

, given he's taken after his dad already .

44:34

It's like , well , when

44:36

we record , we are the record

44:38

either at eight o'clock on

44:41

a Monday or Tuesday , and then nine

44:44

o'clock on a Wednesday morning , and

44:46

that eight o'clock is when he just as he goes to

44:48

bed and his bedroom is right next to it . So sometimes

44:51

I forget , and so if we're talking about

44:53

that , we normally do an interview . So

44:56

we don't have that . But it's the morning

44:58

one where , when

45:01

they're at home , because

45:03

it's not school or whatever , I forget that they

45:06

can hear me , and so I think

45:08

they stand outside the door trying to listen to see whether

45:11

I'm swearing or not , and then go and tell their mother , and that's

45:13

that's how it works . Nice

45:15

, nice , exactly . Just

45:19

just just to clarify on a point

45:21

there Meryoz did not

45:23

win the overall Ballon d'Or , it

45:25

was a Tana Bonmatti who won

45:27

the overall Spanish player .

45:30

Can't believe I overlooked a Tana , so I don't know . Well

45:33

, I've got some , I've got some news

45:37

. Where do you know things ? When things combine in ways you think , oh

45:39

, I don't know how I feel about this

45:41

, so do

45:44

bad , as you have the opportunity to run the

45:47

Edinburgh Marathon for

45:49

Street Child . Whoa

45:52

Say what Something we love something we

45:54

should have a difficult relationship

45:56

combining with something

45:58

that's a great cause . So um well , I mean

46:00

Street .

46:01

Child . My experience of Street Child organizing

46:03

the marathon was was horrific . So actually in my mind

46:05

I put those great

46:08

charity , amazing charity , and also my experience

46:10

of them organizing marathons . Oh , not

46:12

so , not so positive .

46:15

And also they do . They do tend to put on events

46:17

in kind of very poor countries

46:20

where the the infrastructure

46:22

and the facilities in the event can

46:25

be problematic .

46:27

So I do think , I do think there is actually

46:29

more water available in McKenney , then

46:32

there is in Edinburgh .

46:33

Yeah absolutely Absolutely . But

46:36

yeah , mark , from

46:39

who organizes the partnerships . So

46:42

I was amazed . Actually , you can do things like Edinburgh Marathon . So

46:44

you can do things like Berlin Marathon . They've

46:46

got a huge number of really cool events

46:49

that you can do Street Child .

46:51

So yeah , if you , want to do when's Edinburgh Marathon

46:53

.

46:55

Normally the end of May . Typically you can sign up .

46:59

And you know what I was . I was thinking , I was thinking just

47:01

the other day why it

47:05

has to , it might have to happen . I think

47:07

just because I , you know it's so you can never run it

47:10

from it . No , no , I've never run it . Although

47:14

we did stay . Last time we went up to Edinburgh we stayed in Muscleborough , so

47:18

at least I know where . You know the route . Yeah , absolutely .

47:21

So do bad as get involved . You can now say JD , you're doing

47:23

the work , so

47:26

JD , you're doing the winter nuts

47:28

to lapse when

47:31

I have a break in the next day break , yeah , break

47:33

it into winter nuts to , to

47:36

.

47:36

To do it early before the

47:38

two laps starts . Then

47:41

I'm doing what's it got up to Olympic Park

47:43

for ? For the half marathon , yeah

47:45

.

47:45

Yeah , and then on to the

47:47

Edinburgh Marathon with Street

47:49

Child incredible , incredible

47:51

.

47:51

But the thing is I was thinking do you know what

47:54

Edinburgh is lovely ? Because

47:57

last time we went there it was yeah , it was really nice . So

48:00

it's like yeah we'll combine that as a nice

48:02

little , nice little breakaway Make

48:04

do it .

48:04

It's time . It's time to rewrite that

48:07

book because it's been over

48:09

a decade . We've been slagging them off . Maybe

48:12

they are now fantastic . So

48:14

we've got some feedback in the group from

48:17

the do badders about what are

48:19

classic signs in movies

48:21

, or of a newbie . What

48:23

are movies and TV ? What

48:26

kit do they give to new runners

48:28

to represent they are a new runner . And also what

48:30

are classic signs when you're tempo race ? That they

48:32

are a new runner as well . So

48:35

we

48:37

have to be be went with the classic

48:40

con t-shirt , of course , con

48:42

vests , arm

48:44

warmers , sleeve things arm warmers , sleeve

48:47

thing and leg warmers , those are

48:49

, those are like classic .

48:51

Do we think they're new runners ? Just the band . Just the band

48:53

, I mean in films , definitely in films

48:55

. Yeah , they always .

48:57

Oh yeah , true In films . Yeah , All

48:59

kit that you can , they can wear . Absolutely

49:02

It'll be like 80s . What's it called 80s ?

49:07

Like dance classes for some reason .

49:12

Yeah , yeah , true , what's it called to be running .

49:13

Yeah , flashdance . Yeah , everyone dressed up for flashdance

49:16

in order to , in order to go for a run .

49:19

So we've got from Gavin Dealey cotton socks

49:21

or the kind of big football

49:23

socks . Oh yeah , yeah , how did

49:26

Gillies Is that

49:28

? How did she like these

49:30

? Yeah , is that something

49:32

that we ? I

49:36

know you get given them at the end of UTMB , but is

49:38

that something we've seen ? We say shit

49:40

with . That's from Steve .

49:42

There is a definite epidemic of

49:44

padded Gillies , of

49:46

not like North

49:48

face , big padded , like those kind of

49:50

Gillies , but ones where they've got that kind

49:53

of that light padding that

49:55

is almost like you're like is that doing anything

49:57

, or is that just to show

49:59

that you've got a name on there or something

50:01

? I don't know . There does seem to be an epidemic

50:04

of that . There's that . That is definitely a lot . But as

50:06

for running , I've not . I don't think I've ever seen

50:08

that . Yeah , that

50:11

seems to take a photo , to know

50:13

, to show us what you mean , because I'm interested

50:15

in that .

50:16

Without the permission from the front laugh point

50:19

, take a photo and then send

50:21

it in new runners . So when

50:23

you said heavy tracksuit

50:25

bottoms , yeah , I think that's definitely

50:28

a sign .

50:30

Remember when people wore tracksuit bottoms for exercise

50:32

rather than for , like , wearing

50:35

out ? I didn't realize

50:37

, like , how expensive

50:39

like like

50:42

the pair of like Nike

50:44

tracksuit bottoms were , until we went into

50:46

JD Sports the other day to do some Christmas

50:48

shopping because , much

50:51

to Libby's absolute horror

50:53

, of

50:56

course , hugo now literally

50:58

wants to dress like a Academy

51:02

footballer , which is literally Nike

51:04

.

51:05

Get him down Prime money , mate . Get him down Prime

51:08

money . That's

51:10

the solution . He can wear as many clothes

51:12

as you want . We've also got Andy Staley

51:14

Derpcans , of course . Massive

51:17

headphones yes

51:19

, absolutely . You've

51:22

got your ridiculous phone pouches , strapping

51:25

your whole phone and everything else to

51:27

your arm . Sarah Wally , absolutely Going

51:29

out with big phones yeah , that is something

51:32

that , as a newbie , you tend to do

51:34

, right . Or massive plastic bottles

51:36

and gardener Good point , yeah

51:38

.

51:38

Yeah yeah , massive plastic bottles

51:40

.

51:42

You know , you know the bottle where you've , you've , you put your hand through the middle

51:44

of the bottom .

51:45

Warm it up . So

51:47

all that beautifully warm water is

51:50

waiting for you , waiting for you 10

51:53

minutes in .

51:55

Yeah , this is a shit ton of caramel

51:57

. Yeah , that's good . Actually , somebody

51:59

who's gone to Dector Catholic

52:01

and thought it's buy everything cheap , that

52:04

I think that's one of our best , most insightful

52:07

feedback from from the Duba . They've done well

52:09

there . They've absolutely nailed that . So

52:11

, duba , this week we're going to be asking you what

52:16

are missed marketing opportunities , miss

52:18

jokes that people have put out that you've seen have

52:20

broken your heart to the back

52:22

and baby equivalent . That has really

52:24

upset you . So we'll be asking that in the group . And

52:27

, yeah , anything else to go over this week , jd

52:29

, or we could try things off .

52:32

I think we could try things off . Man , I just I want you

52:34

to go back . You need to go and get Hercules

52:36

out of the cold . Go

52:38

and get him now . I

52:41

think he's had enough cold exposure .

52:43

It depends on the milk .

52:44

I think cold water exposure , I think you know . Just

52:47

think , if he starts now he's going to the

52:50

benefits . The benefits are going to be incredible

52:52

.

52:53

Absolutely . And a quick shout out

52:55

to the GB24R

52:57

team well done , well done , crew , and

52:59

especially to the women . Four of them were mums

53:01

out of four . Four out of four mums . What is

53:03

it about being a mum that makes

53:06

you want to just do even more

53:08

drudgery with your life ? Why , why

53:10

, but congratulations , amazing

53:12

performances . Well , we'll see you next time . Guys , if you've

53:14

got any suggestions of guests or

53:17

topics to talk about or races

53:19

to do , then message me davidatbadboyrunningcom

53:22

or ping us on Instagram . If

53:24

this is one of your first bad stuff , then go and listen

53:26

to the A to Z of Bad Boy

53:28

Running . It will give you an insight in all

53:31

the ridiculousness of episodes

53:33

that you've missed in the past . It's about 10

53:35

hours of absolute . I

53:39

was going to say dynamite of

53:42

gold , but also , yeah

53:44

, your ears will bleed as

53:46

much as mine did from my baby screaming in my

53:48

ear .

53:51

If you want to join the conversation , head over to Facebook

53:53

, answer any of the inane questions we

53:56

ask you and then go into the group and ask even more

53:58

inane questions that we ask

54:00

you as well . The standard and the

54:02

quality of the answers is improving

54:04

dramatically , so we've got to put something in there that

54:07

everyone could just say , vest , or

54:09

there's a podcast , or something like that .

54:12

Yeah , absolutely , and in terms

54:14

of future episodes , we've got Karine

54:16

Malcolm , the UTMB commentator

54:19

, who was let

54:21

go recently for being too outspoken . With the interview we

54:23

caught back up with Christopher McDougal

54:26

what a legend return of the Mac about

54:28

Born to Run and actually mostly

54:31

about meeting his wife and

54:34

how she came from Hawaii . He's

54:36

now back over there . Yeah , he's

54:38

just one of the best guests we've ever

54:40

had . He always is , and so

54:42

these are some great episodes to look

54:45

forward to , and do message me with

54:47

other suggestions , because it's likely we're

54:49

gonna be interviewing oh

54:53

punk Jimmy , jimmy

54:55

Watkins , jimmy Watkins . Yes

54:58

, so , but more suggestions are welcome

55:00

and we'll see you next time .

55:01

See you later Bye , bye , bye

55:03

, bye , bye , bye , bye , bye , bye , bye , bye

55:05

bye , baby .

55:07

Come back , but the bye , bye , bye , bye , bye

55:10

, bye , bye , bye , bye , bye , bye . I must admit

55:12

I was a clown to be messing

55:14

around , but that doesn't

55:16

mean that you have to leave town

55:19

. Come back , yes , and

55:21

give me one more try , cause

55:23

I love like this . Should I

55:25

never , ever die ? Come back

55:27

, Fuck you , buddy .