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elliot they're not one but two

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episode we further explore

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her husband so make roman polanski

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the long rumored hedonistic events

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veneer for years we

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career which was gaining steam at the time

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of desk and offering her increasingly

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better roles and great selves mike

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that clip i play few at the top of the

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show that wasn't clip from

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agree that was a fair

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use sample from the library of congress

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i'm elizabeth wheeler performing a girl

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like me and nineteen twelve

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i played you that clip because i can't

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afford the rights to dennis hopper's easy

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rider why would i play

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you that specific slice of

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one toke over the line sweet jesus

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cheese could i afford because

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that was the number one movie in america

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on august eighth nineteen sixty

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nine and that was day that

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sharon tate was brutally murdered

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along with for others at her home months

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yellow tries bringing

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, to it's knees and

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kicking off narrative that would go

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unchallenged for texts as

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the secret surrounding what really

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happened state buried until recently

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recently this episode mama cass

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charles manson the helter skelter

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my name's sharon

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the on in this

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and eight hours roman polanski

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and asks company roman

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this in london told , sea

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breeze block course nine eleven

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up the long driveway of one zero

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zero five zero see hello dr

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dr dropped the german engineered sports car

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out here this home slow

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almost slow the sound

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was an attention getter for sure avoid

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tax sure attach he could

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now attach show off especially

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for that to the type of strange

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game counted from behind the game jays

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american sports voice

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had remembered what roman times where

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to look products on

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hustlers hi young

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almost as i was suddenly

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not on my group the

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new age and co in

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, wasn't gonna be like going away party

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roman , month the

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word of course beat sunny same

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as faces as they're always worth

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sale of tries that there will be

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equal number of anonymous like

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the kids void tech had his arm around

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the kids seem to live alone or text move

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moink checklist se cada vez

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dash off sauce one

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off castle it's drug dealing out

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dash voice

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later on and eventually and in

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the meantime this is shitty little

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friends casters are the point from

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philly doyle had the balls show

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off boy , would secure

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to but for now for

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it's cat other things on his mind like

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this vine street favorite boot licking

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just can the

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whole wojtek and tvs housemate

8:24

situation made sharon tate anxious

8:27

he called her husband roman polanski

8:29

repeatedly in london and asked him to get

8:31

rid of the house guess roman

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wouldn't here sharon wasn't about

8:35

to ask him to leave she was too insecure

8:38

and to shot put her hand

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on her belly themselves her baby move

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inside of her more more

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was all she could think about the

8:46

third trimester was the heart

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anyway this

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told her it was the best the

8:53

homestretch the final months

8:55

where it all sinks in you're going

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to be a mother what

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is something and something care

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stop thinking about romans last movie haunted

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her mia farrow post partum

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in that powder blue make out the

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nice long time

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hand schools back black

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bassinet eyes go wide the

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hand hours a mouse jesus

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christ what is she shared t

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gave birth to some health spa the

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new an impossible she knew about

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witchcraft incantations rituals

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consecrated circles the left hand

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path would avoid second cb

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words just regular friends of romans like share

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with thought what if they were like the old

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with the self the cast that's nice

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safe their

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presence as you drive wouldn't to keep

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sharing company rather to do the

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bidding of their master the dark lord

9:52

the diminutive director hiding out in london

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his hands clean of the whole thing

9:56

and then roman polanski would

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return justin hi for sharing

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his was a gift to

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, that

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would be able take her eyes her not

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because he loved it because of frightened or

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it's nice it's indescribable cease

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obama nice synergy can come home

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to roost all of our worst fears manifested

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in this grotesque a palm fadi

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issue would have to constantly look at his

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was still her baby but also because

10:23

seeing is believing all the while all

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of the roman in avoid second give

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you my god maybe pick dawson of billie

10:29

doyle to see what else is sharon

10:32

go back to bed know you're not supposed

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be up and around but there's no stopping

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her if she's stream what have you done

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do it would have you done do with eyes itchy

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please god why why god

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why me why now for the

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with no response because god

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was dead sea lives

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realize she was sweating her

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keep your hands on her belly inside cast

10:59

the also thoughts from rest she

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, if rosemary baby disturbed

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roman as much as a starter starter

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, roman got off on that

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kept saying he was her husband

11:11

she did love him but roman polanski

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was a bit of a sick fuck try

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to settle her mind where we cash

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yeah some center know the

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cast going to be there to

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shop and

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matters roman toss they're going

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away party back in march the

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eyes roman wasn't even in town

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was a little tyrants away pick

11:37

billie or play and heck

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and billie were always ready to play

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don't in

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order to new tonight for the know going

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away soiree and i

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was the dancing

11:51

the drugs the fuck it was all there

11:54

the nine ritual and i was

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back in the alley consecration tonight

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was fresh meat irvine tonight

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was whips change wax and whatever

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with free tonight , inspired

12:05

by the satanic dream sequence from rosemary's

12:07

baby that movie didn't frighten the others

12:09

the way haunted sharon cut them off

12:12

because i could get roman off and they used it

12:14

for fun for king roman

12:16

of course he would get to watch later

12:19

even though he was on another cause they

12:21

, going to so the whole thing show at

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home and when he returns months months

12:25

loved his tapes roman loved

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young girls and there will be funny

12:30

someone was passing and uttered to have

12:33

someone said it was guy named charlie

12:36

is long as there was an angle charlie

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like to share suited roman

12:40

roman shared his home his drugs

12:42

is drugs in their long been whispers

12:45

from those have been part of romans world

12:47

that roman even like to share like

12:50

to was his fantasy rattling

12:52

with unbridled creativity around

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is electric is in technicolor

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the can scan on blonde

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cause that mechanical mine she

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, in motion with the rain mancera

13:05

court court now

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i'm serious about ear shattering hi

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suzy only one not in black hooker

13:13

black mask he wore red

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pen mine

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are anywhere all twisted up against

13:23

, wall wall blonde worked

13:25

out shoulder fault with the zora

13:27

masked behind my aunt's

13:30

man with fish ,

13:32

, brown cause needless hidden

13:35

under the hood of under open hood the

13:37

pro noticed the girls

13:39

are to waste oh how do you

13:41

work for things and we the squandered and

13:43

and heat of moment he proves

13:45

what matters mice what was that

13:49

the rest proves just window dressing where

13:52

you get laid down to it this whole

13:54

he be hollywood dream was about one

13:56

thing and

14:00

though my here he was

14:03

, locker room

14:05

with was and is are forced

14:07

to sort of mass our mouth the

14:10

room itself our hey overwhelming

14:12

when look there's nothing few all

14:16

had orchestrated from mass satisfaction

14:19

oh male female fall law

14:22

gives ah yes ,

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pico was on the actual those

14:26

one look closer blown our first

14:28

part insane sit and circumstance

14:31

want to go that the big girls was

14:35

another and he was lost

14:42

really doyle didn't show his face until

14:44

later the when

14:47

he did show he came along

14:49

six eight away billie

14:52

, that boy test welcome him and forget

14:54

about the best aspects or the because

14:56

billie a brand new back of the

14:58

goods goods with this bygones

15:01

be bygones reuters or

15:04

lily get to the booze purse points i

15:06

got from where the other stood

15:09

who took seem stood be playing nice smile

15:12

talking giving believe firmly bad

15:14

on the back he had million

15:16

drink the buildings back and

15:18

one was immediately

15:20

believing in stagger he reached

15:22

his arms after thirty one

15:25

, closer we fell in front of the other and suddenly

15:27

billie made beeline for the vast vast

15:30

they were this i this a moment

15:32

later he stumbled back into the living room of the

15:34

joy to his lips he

15:36

coughed and exhale the class

15:39

avoid have walked right up it was now

15:41

reverse the effects of whenever

15:43

we have really drink

15:46

and places big our smith shoulders

15:50

no mark abilities i said at all

15:52

just like new thera size and rosemary

15:54

space the realization

15:56

that some guess this was

15:58

new dream of this that was really happening

16:01

philly was just thought she was about

16:03

to be revenge fox voice

16:05

hair cut him down on the for now billie

16:08

bit down mouthful of carpet his voice have

16:10

tightened the rope the found billy's arms behind

16:12

his back billie screen to

16:14

pay but not in the rope burning

16:16

his wrists he screamed is void

16:18

tax thrust last thrust

16:22

back over and over

16:25

embellish three like a baby animal hot and

16:27

mice the party goers research

16:29

now laughing to cheering chanting

16:31

egging wojtek on they formed

16:33

sacred circle they sounded or incantation

16:36

emily's eyes were close ties the

16:38

pain was unbearable and for the

16:40

right angle with light hitting just

16:42

re they look is avoid excise

16:45

had gone completely

17:06

elliott fought through tears of laughter

17:08

when she told sharon tate all about it how

17:11

later that night billie doyle came

17:13

to his pants around his ankles

17:15

his head woozy in his asshole

17:18

throbbing with heard he'd never felt

17:20

before our , he realized

17:22

what had happened that he been forcibly sodomized

17:25

in front of celebrities seamster partygoers

17:27

he went into a race the and

17:29

one thing on mind killing

17:31

void tech for a cast cast

17:33

funniest part to cast was how

17:36

before because exact revenge he

17:38

was swept away from the party driven

17:40

out the cast this house and laurel canyon

17:42

and tied to a tree so that he was unable

17:44

to hurt him hurt gas and

17:46

been there to witness it and she this summer

17:48

to take polaroid for sharing

17:51

didn't find the whole thing is funny as gas

17:54

in fact she thought was downright surfing

17:57

how anyone could find the rape of another human

17:59

being funny pike center

18:01

it was august nineteen sixty nine

18:04

void her krakow ski and give a forger

18:06

were still at sharon's house the

18:08

been nearly six months the

18:10

party see through were becoming increasingly

18:12

strange and violent

18:15

even when there wasn't party the place felt like grand

18:17

central station sharon

18:19

wasn't square but still all

18:22

things in moderation moderation

18:24

was envoy tax vocabulary really

18:27

do sharing continued

18:29

call roman in london and beg him to return

18:31

home as the house guess to leave they

18:34

weren't going anywhere so sharon

18:36

change your strategy in as rome and if

18:38

she can fly to london and be with

18:40

him there he told me that that

18:42

was great idea for woman eight months into

18:45

practice sharon

18:47

knew that that wasn't the real reason roma can

18:49

wander there alone in london

18:51

roma could continue to be a less

18:53

than stellar husband while none of that the prying

18:55

eyes of his wife and friends in

18:58

other words he was fucking and walk

19:01

sharon didn't know about every single affair

19:03

she may not have known that roman so

19:10

he roman wasn't

19:12

exactly scream john ,

19:15

further that michelle was also

19:17

something with romans friend warned me

19:20

me i have jon gosselin

19:22

drunk and called have warned a tone he didn't

19:24

miles is why is he would fuck him up

19:26

when he of that l a and a and

19:29

prompts according many

19:31

of sharon's close friends as

19:33

the summer of ninety sixty nine or

19:35

on shared in game on

19:37

jealously pathogen game just

19:39

got miserable those

19:41

same friends also claimed the room

19:43

and was mentally claimed physically abusive

19:46

toward shares there were those a

19:48

legit origin city made her take part in

19:50

the video tapes he literally made or watch

19:52

but there are other allegations that

19:55

he hosted sex parties without sharon's

19:57

knowledge or consent that he humiliated

20:00

the front of her friends and be told

20:02

what to wear yeah

20:04

lt sooner the german actress who

20:06

coaster of the sharing of wrecking crew furnace

20:09

now , i dismissed

20:12

as he out whether it's and it's enter frying

20:14

pan frying spade out the yard and i

20:16

just read

20:20

on the afternoon of august eighth nineteen

20:22

sixty nine sharon welcomed

20:24

her friend english actress joanna pet

20:26

to see hello dr for lunch sharing

20:29

complain about voice hacking gives him

20:32

play and about romans absence there

20:34

were too many drugs and i was too much chaos

20:37

and the environment was not conducive to person

20:39

preparing for renewed less domesticity

20:42

he needed her husband now he

20:44

needed strangers god she

20:46

needed to focus on becoming a mother but

20:49

she never get there two

20:52

hours later here and the

20:55

dead

21:01

roman polanski is fly gun into l a

21:03

x on the evening of august nineteen

21:05

sixty nine the day after

21:07

authorities on mutilated bodies

21:09

at his house on sale or drive the

21:12

including his wife who was carrying his

21:14

unborn child not

21:16

that roman new what day it was or

21:18

whether he was in london r l a the

21:20

been placed under heavy sedation his

21:23

eyelids felt like animals

21:25

his brain slow to crawl

21:27

they begin think that the awful things have been

21:29

told about are all a cruel fantasy

21:34

now at l a x although his mind

21:36

was mush roma could still tix

21:38

sharon or smile her

21:40

radiance her perfection happy

21:43

she had been daily toward one zero zero

21:45

five zero see outright he

21:48

didn't know why the previous tenants access

21:50

candice bergen and record producer terry

21:52

meltzer would have wanted to move out sharing

21:55

call it the love house sharon

21:58

lit up every room of the house and now

22:00

that like was forever burned out

22:03

and for what and why the

22:06

rumors were already warming their ways

22:08

you hollywood's elite circles rumors

22:11

that allegedly get the truth is that all aware

22:13

enough to make anyone even remotely connected

22:16

the sharon tate's sick with then

22:18

again why roman

22:22

wanted to know why he had his suspicions

22:24

but he wanted to hear the rumors from

22:26

so had , a x he

22:28

was putting car headed for paramount pictures

22:30

lot where private suite have been

22:32

arranged arranged like a private

22:34

bunker he rolled down the car

22:36

window i'm health the fog the sedation

22:39

slowly left after

22:41

five months away he had forgotten

22:43

california smell like wild

22:45

and fragrant them before they reach

22:47

paramount roman told driver

22:50

to pull over at a denny's restaurant the

22:52

for reference the parking lot home like

22:54

cicadas waiting ,

22:57

with why told tax enough enough

22:59

polish emigre and friend of romans

23:01

who spent lot of time over the summer with

23:04

voice against voice whitehall

23:06

gave room and and insiders decreasing

23:09

seal drive god pharaoh and romans

23:11

absence boy tack welcomed

23:13

all kinds of freaks and creeps to the front

23:15

door was feeling roman

23:17

one is now of course he was

23:20

he was so the fact that by picks on

23:22

the guy roman he kicked out that sprang

23:25

to retaliation reuters reef

23:27

retaliation doyle since friend in

23:29

front a packed house billie vowed

23:31

revenge and billie doyle wasn't

23:33

the only one the revenge big

23:35

dos and has plenty of grudges and

23:38

, guys like roman which

23:41

hollywood fuckers toss picks kind

23:43

from the rich hollywood fargo house

23:46

romans had spawn and

23:48

wasn't from the sedition the new

23:50

where the police look first when a woman was murdered

23:53

her husband he

23:55

put void tech in that house he

23:57

failed remove boy tech from that house even

23:59

their share if you know he begged to do so later

24:03

at paramount a lot lapd

24:05

hooked roman up to polygraph they

24:07

asked about wojtek rakowski impact

24:10

awesome they asked about caselli

24:12

until he doyle they asked about why

24:14

told caps and asks asks room

24:16

and see new rome and

24:18

said he didn't even though the to adjust

24:20

man and denny's parking lot why

24:24

roman wasn't exactly sure why the

24:26

was panic the wanted to

24:28

distance himself from our ugly see

24:31

seen that he had unwittingly are not

24:34

helped to create and foster the

24:36

matter they did so from af way across

24:38

the world there was plenty of evidence

24:41

at the house the police could use against i'm

24:43

like the movies the

24:45

videos god damn

24:48

videos made for roman

24:50

a made by roman the movies

24:53

the video say are already dirty

24:55

little firmer those rumors never

24:57

quit those rumors were hard

24:59

the stories about what roman for sharing

25:01

to do on video with what

25:03

some called quite a few recognizable

25:06

hollywood ceases so long with suppose

25:08

a constant flow of underage

25:11

girls could fall into the cracks

25:13

the city of angels roman

25:16

i to get back seattle tries no

25:18

matter how difficult that would be here

25:20

to make his way through our house he barely

25:22

lived in for few weeks and

25:24

pt and pt rape rape

25:27

sharon why

25:29

did gone from crimson black

25:32

and blood everywhere

25:34

on the carpet able to tout the

25:36

whole place rank with that owner

25:38

that love house gone sour with evil

25:40

and gas and robot make his way

25:43

up the ladder did lot for you would firewood

25:45

he was looking for remove the

25:48

man he to work his own aca

25:51

did the police off his back in

25:53

knew exactly who to pin blame on

25:56

how my close family friend

26:00

wanted revenge against rome and for

26:02

all as on forgivable sense

26:07

we'll be right back after this is

26:09

is is

26:13

why put off having fun until you have that free

26:16

time you keep dreaming about you already

26:18

do enough to earn a that of joy exactly

26:20

when you want that vaccines

26:23

you can have little seen this find any

26:25

time anywhere with an exciting mobile

26:27

puzzle adventure game

26:29

it's easy to pick up and play whether

26:31

it's for a few minutes here and there or is

26:33

that free time does roll around you

26:35

can have of seemed stick

26:37

marathon you've had your fun

26:39

time download the best fiends

26:41

on the app store or google play past

26:43

get five dollars in gabe rewards when you

26:46

reach level five that best

26:48

scenes on the app store or google play

26:50

that's friends without the air best

26:53

been

26:55

sharon sharon sharon one murdering one murdering

26:58

tate sharon murdering murdering new

27:00

and murdering pt new rape

27:02

new sharon rape and pt and new

27:04

pt sharon murdering rape hollywood tate

27:06

sharon new sharon one hollywood

27:08

sharon new and pt new sharon

27:10

new rape drugs pt rape and rape

27:13

rape rape and sharon sharon

27:15

sharon murdering sharon pt

27:17

tate rape new murdering murdering sharon

27:19

tate and tate pt tate

27:21

drugs tate and murdering murdering

27:23

tate pt new rape sharon

27:25

sharon tate and and drugs and

27:27

one murdering drugs pt and and

27:30

one pt one one pt i

27:32

tate and

27:37

sex tapes orgies see

27:40

the summer and ophelia the

27:42

rape of duplicitous drug dealing boyfriend

27:44

of mama cass what consequence

27:47

could any or all of the south

27:50

roman polanski heard it straight from

27:52

the mouth of why to caxton out of skiing

27:54

at denny's parking lot c

27:56

hello dr had gone feral hoy

27:58

texture i tulsky when the the the casual

28:01

drug dealing hits there was no

28:03

longer a couple of random street kids from hollywood

28:05

anymore played boston underage

28:07

girls from out in the desert a harem

28:10

someone called it in a weird little

28:12

dude was pinball eyes as their on social

28:14

nucleus on , romans

28:16

free free siloed drive

28:18

was admittedly twist that now

28:21

with voice acronym south it

28:23

was from

28:26

an adult who

28:28

would have benefited from the gruesome murders

28:30

as yellow try someone

28:32

, revenge to be humiliated

28:35

bomb bomb was a more personal

28:38

perhaps revenge for a betrayal of the highest

28:41

order the being made couple in

28:43

the eyes celebrities and sisters

28:45

for being made to look god damned

28:50

what about john silver's yeah

28:52

can all martial law and friendly after

28:54

the murders but john add beef

28:56

from the like john add beef

28:59

with jim clark and warren beatty and

29:01

whoever else is fucking his wife when

29:03

wasn't look the on was

29:05

crazy crazy enough to fuck

29:08

around on his own time and not just with any

29:10

woman but was mia farrow not

29:12

always a star rosemary baby but

29:14

the wife of frank sinatra guy

29:17

probably more well connected to qualified

29:19

incapable men than any other in los

29:21

angeles when all blue eyes

29:23

found out the john was screwing his wife

29:26

he says some suggs run amok that

29:28

strong arm tactic was no doubt on

29:30

john's mind when he called up warren beatty

29:33

and threatened authors facial design

29:35

or worse just because

29:37

john added personally called roman to make similar

29:39

threat the mean the threat wasn't

29:41

be made it if john was

29:43

capable making such threats what

29:46

else

29:49

roman political he didn't tell

29:51

anyone in the weeks following the murder of his

29:53

way she was skim the walls john

29:55

so smart to romance in bel air

29:57

rummaging through germans rolls royce for

29:59

blood and then

30:02

, john say and reading from his address

30:04

book to graphology see how an

30:06

oscar for

30:08

p i g letters any system

30:11

target pleaded with alert cleavers

30:13

withholding at withholding house in already

30:15

the two men the

30:17

vegetables for that nice meal that

30:20

was just worse john

30:22

, sitting on couch in his swim trunks

30:24

don't immaculate minding his own

30:26

business when he felt the hand grab

30:28

hold of chunk of islam dirty hippie

30:30

air and he a good facts abide

30:33

his neck pointed towards the ceiling the

30:35

nearly pissed himself from the cold sharp

30:37

blade as blade cleaver get cozy with his throw

30:40

in this area that on the stick

30:42

have the stick in his accented english cry

30:44

out and mess with

30:50

john

30:52

phillips may have been an ass off he

30:54

may have increase enemy gone

30:57

to do absolutely repulsive things to his

30:59

daughter and years to com that he

31:01

wasn't a killer he ,

31:03

anywhere near one zero zero five zero

31:05

seal drive on eating of least

31:07

six six

31:10

like billie doyle billie both

31:12

of whom are out of country when the murders

31:14

when place murders hollywood

31:17

new the word was

31:19

billion pick were too smart

31:21

to do the deed themselves and

31:24

then that's where the weird little dude from

31:26

the desert with the harem of underage

31:28

crazy girls that

31:49

august nice nineteen sixty nine

31:51

seven am the phone

31:54

as disrupt time his bed pierce

31:56

the silence the morning and proc

31:59

iraq was still half

32:01

asleep he fumbled his hand

32:03

around on the nightstand as eyes

32:05

barely open he found the phone

32:07

sitting next to one of the cameras and raise

32:10

receive to receive the

32:12

voice on the other end was distraught

32:14

and spoke quickly iraq

32:16

had a really concentrate to understand

32:18

what he was being told the voice

32:20

is going so fast the person

32:22

the person other in the line toes schrock five

32:24

people were dead at one zero zero five

32:26

zero zero drive the

32:28

sharon

32:34

no one understood the profound beauty of

32:36

sharon tate fetters and schrock tommy

32:39

it wasn't just friend he was share

32:41

his personal photographer his

32:43

, captured every side sharing

32:46

sharing the model the sheik actress

32:49

the way soon be mother who was well

32:51

underway to a new kind of plus a

32:53

domestic it was beautiful

32:56

was the stages

33:02

each new leg the journey inside

33:04

and seem genuinely excited for walks

33:07

away you for me

33:09

she had no lurking around that corner

33:12

no oh

33:16

sure off switched on the radio and waited for

33:18

news or for to give movie fifteen

33:21

, my five and thirty

33:23

and then in our schrock

33:26

had be real damn patient before the radio

33:28

station due south of made mention of the murder

33:30

such only later

33:32

did schrock discover the he received hometown

33:35

for me with murders ninety minutes before

33:38

roman insurance me it showed up the house

33:40

to discover the boss in hysterically

33:43

hosted to neighbors who called nine one

33:45

one surat was

33:47

literally under the first people to now why

33:51

it , who was on the other end the phone our

33:54

seven am that morning old

33:56

schrock the tommy the awesome reform

34:00

literally anyone else knew a damn

34:02

thing the early

34:05

morning color was reef with

34:07

there are called him a clinical mystery

34:10

man was friendly was

34:12

sherlock with rome and in share and in rest

34:14

of the crazy see it's your drive but

34:17

no one really knew what he did or where

34:19

he came from or how he originally

34:21

found his way and as soon as he t inner

34:23

circle he was guy was

34:25

at the party but was never part

34:27

of part he kept himself

34:29

he hung back he played the sidelines

34:32

the was there watch they can and all him

34:37

we with was written out of the manson

34:39

murders narratives has come to be accepted

34:41

as gospel over the last fifty years

34:44

l , county deputy district attorney vincent

34:46

bugliosi the man who successfully

34:48

prosecuted charles manson and his family

34:51

family once mentioned with said in his selling

34:53

book out of stuff long considered

34:56

the consist of and

34:59

reeve with with , from the

35:01

only discrepancy in that supposedly truth

35:03

telling town at trial

35:06

shiraz testify that five

35:08

months prior to the murders in march

35:10

nineteen sixty nineteen he was

35:12

visiting sharon at her house when

35:14

charles manson showed us out

35:16

of blue looking for their melcher

35:19

their record producer previous tenants

35:21

out on zero out on iraq

35:25

form in that melcher know under

35:27

lizard share and jc

35:29

bring boy tech rakow skyn abigail

35:31

for her watched from this

35:35

was crucial testimonies approved charles

35:37

manson both knew the existence of the

35:39

house and of the people who were living

35:41

there for decades

35:44

later surat tommy told

35:46

author tamo neil who's intensely

35:48

researched book chaos look

35:50

to right the wrongs of bugliosi in

35:52

out skelter did was never one

35:54

hundred percent sure that the man who showed up

35:56

that day march was actually

35:58

charles manson the

36:00

been what else that was forced

36:03

by reeve with to testify

36:05

without a doubt that saw mans

36:09

the was important for bugliosi narrative

36:11

a put manson and the see when

36:13

she wrote box whitson threatened

36:16

deportation back to iran if he

36:18

didn't play ball deportation

36:21

who the hell the rewards and guy according

36:24

to tom o'neill's book grieve which improves

36:26

as he was playing ball by walking sroka

36:28

overdue his car and showing sky

36:31

o'neill's investigation into the background

36:34

of reeve with and raised even more cautious

36:36

with the flat in so for

36:39

op sp i secret service

36:41

cia and , federal government

36:43

has something to do with the murders of sharon tate

36:46

did the federal government or something to do with

36:48

charles manson it

36:51

sounds totally fucking crazy

36:53

when you look at all for me consider

36:56

the following a drug the

36:58

, of a drug dealer in retaliation

37:01

retaliation revenge plot in aggrieved

37:03

cult leader with acid induce scrambled

37:06

eggs for brains and undercover

37:08

agent coaxing desired testimony

37:10

sort of wits and at the center

37:12

the a gorgeous axis

37:14

taken far too and

37:17

mocked the whole thing

37:20

is so nuts a lot

37:22

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37:27

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37:38

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