Joe Talbot of IDLES joins us this week to discuss approaching things with love in a loveless time, sparring on an empty stomach, and the soothing properties of office jazz, as well as tapping in with bell hooks and the sensory memory of first hearing “Heard It Through the Grapevine” as a child. Be sure to check out IDLES’ new album ‘Tangk’—out everywhere Friday.

Audio Producer: Olivia CrerieGuest: Joe TalbotProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether FortuneLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices