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guys, Bandsplain is back this

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that my house is

2:20

a fucking wreck, babe. I should be on the

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television program hoarders. It's just a

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sea of piles in various places.

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I haven't folded laundry in

2:28

weeks. I've eaten

2:30

so many frozen pizzas for

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dinner. It's

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dark times over here. Also, I had to retrieve

2:37

a few of those sticky

2:39

notebook flags from inside my

2:42

puppy's mouth yesterday. We're hanging

2:45

on by a thread. Bandsplain is my

2:47

main gig. That

2:50

is, that's my calling, is to serve

2:53

as the du moi of

2:55

30 to 40-year-old guitar rock

2:57

icons. Whereas this show

2:59

is just really a shining example

3:01

of my fun personality trait, where

3:04

I think I can do 1,000 things, all of the

3:07

things, when in reality I absolutely

3:09

really cannot do all of the

3:12

things, hence the piles

3:14

of laundry and the frozen pizzas and the pain.

3:17

I'm working on it. I'll tell

3:19

you what's been keeping me slightly

3:22

sane, slightly sane, amid

3:25

the sea of yarls and

3:27

all the vintage MTV YouTubes and

3:29

my trips into the Wayback Machine.

3:33

Besides, of course, my

3:35

recently reacquainted BFF wine,

3:38

my friend Chloe put me onto

3:40

Cameron Diaz's wine brand, Abilene, which

3:43

is just gorgeous, babe. It's organic. It

3:46

has no sugar added. It's basically

3:48

a health tonic, so thank you,

3:50

Chloe. But what

3:52

else is keeping me sane is

3:54

my new parasocial relationship with

3:57

a Florida-based dog trainer I found

3:59

on TikTok. I now

4:01

kind of more understand parasocial relationships,

4:03

just like I am some of your

4:05

guys' imaginary best friend. Hey besties. Um,

4:08

I now have a completely one-sided friendship

4:11

with Meg, the everyday trainer. Um,

4:14

love you girl. She has like four

4:16

huge dogs and walks them all at the

4:18

same time. Hands free. No

4:22

hands. No hands on a leash. I

4:24

mean, they're on leashes, but they're wrapped around

4:26

her shoulders. Now she's like carrying

4:29

a matcha latte or something. And

4:31

with that babe, she had me at fucking

4:33

hello. I was in. Um,

4:36

so yeah, there's that. It's

4:38

true. It's true that the path to greatness

4:40

is lonely. And yes,

4:42

I have convinced myself that spending hours

4:44

and hours and hours of my

4:47

one wild and precious life mapping the

4:50

birth of grunge has something

4:52

to do with greatness. Um,

4:55

so yeah, that is lonely. But

4:57

I am grateful for my Aveline

5:00

wine friendship with

5:02

Andrew Heberman ended babe, Cameron

5:04

Diaz. I have the Florida

5:06

based drive trainer from Tech Talk are my new best

5:08

friends. And

5:12

also what else for

5:14

my television shows right now it's

5:16

the rookie. It's about a 41

5:18

year old rookie cop on the LAPD bed. I'm

5:21

on season three. I'm also really

5:23

grateful that Mark

5:25

arm from the extremely majorly

5:27

iconic bands, green river and

5:29

mud honey, uh, took

5:32

the time out of his wild and

5:34

precious life to come on this podcast to

5:37

help me kick off, uh, this

5:39

big bands playing returns week. Even

5:42

though I am pretty sure he admits in the

5:44

interview that he only did this because his public

5:46

has made him and that he was

5:48

largely her under dress, which is honestly fine

5:51

because however I

5:53

get them to, you know, come on here as fine

5:55

with me. I don't want to be picky. I

5:57

like to think we had fun anyways, even though. It

6:00

was mandatory for him. Here

6:03

is my talk with Mark Arm. What

6:05

do you think? What

6:15

a blessing of an owner today to

6:17

have Mr. Mark Arm on

6:20

the podcast. Welcome to the show, Mark Arm.

6:22

Thank you, Yasi. First, I need to

6:24

talk to you about Mark Arm, the name,

6:26

because I have been doing just an order

6:29

and amount of research too much. I'm

6:31

ill at this point because

6:34

I'm doing a grunge season of my other

6:36

show. Don't worry. I know that you are

6:38

patient zero of grunge in the interview circuit,

6:40

and I will not be asking you about

6:42

that. You can be free of that from

6:44

today. But I did, in my

6:47

research, find that you got

6:49

the name Mark Arm because you and your

6:51

friend thought it was very funny to sit

6:53

around and use body parts as

6:56

slurs at each other. We

7:00

had a very sort of an insular sense

7:02

of humor and super

7:05

into like, you know, SCTV and stuff like

7:07

that. And

7:09

anything with a fire sign theater, you know, I

7:11

think it was kind of absurd. No, I loved

7:14

it. It made me feel so seen because my friend

7:16

Rachel and I used to play this game. Game

7:19

is really an overstatement, but where we would go

7:21

one, two, three, and then the other

7:23

person had to say a first and last name, just off

7:25

the top of their head. And to this

7:27

day, I've never laughed so hard. And I remember

7:29

them like one was like Osgood Fairgood.

7:33

I laughed for like two hours. I

7:35

think one of mine was Shmuela Johnson. Like

7:38

I don't know why it was the fucking funniest

7:40

thing to me. And I just felt a kindred

7:42

spirit with you in this game. So I was

7:44

like, yeah, this is the kind of like thing

7:46

that like most people will not find

7:48

funny. But I would have laughed for like

7:50

10 hours playing this game. Like arm arm, I would die.

7:52

I would think of it for years

7:55

to come and just laugh to

7:57

myself. That's one Osgood Fairgood. Very

8:00

easily amused. I

8:02

think that's a great personality trait.

8:05

Then you can be delighted by life. I

8:07

guess so. Okay, Mark

8:09

Arm, Mudhoney, you guys put your 12th

8:11

album out last year. 12th album, Plastic

8:13

Eternity. It's so good. It's so weird.

8:15

I love it. Oh, thank you. I

8:18

really felt Move Under was maybe my

8:20

favorite song. But Severed Dreams

8:22

in the Sleepers' Cell, it's so like,

8:25

how do I say, eerie and menacing, but

8:27

also like 70s. It

8:30

was very to me like, what if Mudhoney but also

8:32

Iggy Pop but also Lourid. Well,

8:34

that stuff has been in our

8:36

music since day four. I know,

8:39

totally. But I was like, I'm glad we

8:41

still have that thread running

8:43

into the 12th album. We

8:46

haven't surrendered. Also

8:48

wanted to show you, this is an audio only podcast so people

8:50

can't see us, but I wanted to show you something very funny.

8:52

I ordered this like package of

8:54

rock and roll stickers off

8:56

of amazon.com. Okay.

8:59

Just dying at the Mudhoney one being

9:01

on the same page as Queen of

9:03

the Stone Age, Jimmy World's Faith No

9:05

More and The Hives. And

9:08

it's not even alphabetical. So it just makes like

9:10

really no sense where they put you. But

9:13

we're at the top, clearly. At least you're

9:15

at the top. Also, they had a malfunction

9:17

one, can you believe? Oh, rad. Isn't that cool?

9:21

All right, Mark Arm. I have one more question before we

9:23

get into the actual 24 questions. Okay.

9:26

I read an interview with you,

9:28

maybe it was last year,

9:31

and the interviewer asked about the

9:33

impact of COVID on the album

9:35

making process and were there any

9:38

opportunities. And you said, no,

9:40

there were no opportunities. We saw

9:42

each other once because there was a

9:44

sewage tunnel boring machine named after

9:46

us. And we got together for

9:48

the unveiling of that. I'm going

9:50

to need more information about this

9:52

sewage tunnel boring machine that is

9:54

named after Mudhoney. Well, Mudhoney completed

9:57

its task. Okay, gorge. The

9:59

tunnel is now. Running an. Earlier

10:02

people on Ballard. I.

10:05

Don't have to worry about. Wastewater.

10:07

Overflow in the streets anymore and into

10:10

the local law water system. This is

10:12

like as close as you're getting. Like

10:14

the key to the city. As

10:17

the sewage mislead, we actually

10:19

got a not quite the

10:21

key to the city. but

10:23

I'm Dow Constantine who is

10:25

the King County Council Commissioner

10:27

or whatever is like that.

10:30

It's. Non executive. He.

10:33

Did. A proclamation on the same day

10:35

as our album release. Are

10:37

calling it a. Month. On

10:39

a day out again he was listening

10:41

set up a printout of It's. Printed

10:44

it from the. Characters

10:47

like cow us. When

10:50

we're all young pups, we work together

10:52

like a kiss your me which was

10:55

a precursor to T Xp. And it's

10:57

unfair, because why not? as? Rare.

11:00

as as a as a as

11:02

that you like you like I've

11:04

known he was nepotism. I mean

11:06

that he rents here. Basically the

11:09

mer om Seattle rock and roll.

11:11

I mean, who else could be

11:13

in this position? If I was

11:15

more I guess like outgoing like better.

11:18

For. Me people. Shake. Hands

11:20

and Submit is not the vibe of

11:22

the Seattle Rock and Rome and that's

11:24

exactly you're a bad in my just

11:26

humblest emission from an outside perspective of

11:28

makes this is actually more perfect that

11:30

you're like knives and will not be

11:32

doing any thought off. As

11:37

consignment essence within a may get there

11:39

before we started as my arm was

11:41

like is is gonna take ninety minutes

11:43

so he's really excited to see the

11:46

his and I cannot wait to see

11:48

when Nz I'm descendants M R N

11:50

number one mark I'm what is your

11:52

as for astrological signs is Pisces. That's

11:55

right a Pisces man or even worried.

11:58

That way you mean. The

12:00

Artists: It's an excellent placement

12:02

because Pisces so pace is

12:04

is like. Ruled

12:06

by Neptune which is. The plant

12:08

that rules creativity and dreams.

12:11

So it's like a very

12:13

creative, very imaginative, Sort

12:15

of like. Prone. To

12:17

escapism an illusion, Sensitive.

12:20

Emotional sign which I think are all really

12:23

good traits. For someone who makes our soil

12:25

new think all the people who are born

12:27

with like even on the same day that

12:29

I was born have the same exact same

12:31

traits or villa born the same day as

12:33

you will have even more of the same

12:35

trades I am and us and we'll have

12:37

our they might men like sports I can't

12:39

I have astrology like kinda have my thanks.

12:42

Where the planets were where you were

12:44

born. Informed. The

12:47

whole tart south I do

12:49

think broadly trying to applied

12:51

just the Sun sign is

12:53

not a very accurate ways

12:55

to. Decipher personality types. But

12:57

I think when you have someone's. Whole

12:59

chart you'd be surprised how how

13:01

on pointed as. Awesome

13:03

Pisces can be lazy and moody

13:05

to relate to any of these

13:08

qualities. Not so much movie but

13:10

for sure lazy for hims is

13:12

it or a marker of number

13:14

two What is you eat today

13:16

are so far only own coffee

13:18

and ten ten amps what does

13:20

the oatmeal flavored or do you

13:22

just go plane jobs amount of

13:24

was understand some blueberries and a

13:26

little bit and of and notices

13:28

keep it all the framework of

13:30

Angeles as I. Will.

13:32

Be dragged for this because people don't like when I

13:34

do this. But I must tell you that oh mother's

13:36

very bad for him and you should not drink at.

13:38

Are you that almost? It's. Yes, it has a

13:40

very high glycemic index and it has it's made

13:43

with like kind of bad. Oils I

13:45

can send some literature your way.

13:47

I feel like so what's a

13:49

dairy product you recommend? I'm almost

13:52

any of them are better than

13:54

a month like cashew, all mans.

13:58

Are so I don't think his bag. Is

14:00

the tend to be I'm. Like

14:03

bad effects on your hormones. Rice Rice not

14:05

as good but isn't his very good, but

14:07

I think it's fine to drink. Milk

14:09

Rice such a great clash and a list

14:12

as I get so get. Re like

14:14

and that. Like the creamy jews the comes

14:16

off rice milk is also really good for

14:18

your skin. I mean that so the on

14:20

a double double the Us at the people

14:22

now but. I myself am a rock

14:24

cow milk early on separate well. Seattle's.

14:27

Not as L A as I

14:29

lay as with our with our

14:31

our health storm and trans man.

14:33

You'd be surprised when you know

14:36

I was surprised years ago a

14:38

spent a couple weeks in likes

14:40

San Clemente, African California. everything's gonna

14:42

be like organic and stuff I

14:44

couldn't I found like farmers. Supermarket.

14:47

But it was. Everything was

14:49

like nauseum. Our. Full San

14:52

Clemente. Is Orange County right? We don't.

14:54

We don't claim that place. Know, I know

14:56

by. Now it's gonna

14:58

be all. Out of the sprouts

15:00

it are in town is it's own, it's

15:02

own beasts and I'll tell you I've actually

15:05

spend some time in Bellevue. That's not where

15:07

you grew up as out where you went

15:09

to high school is our the crit the

15:12

person has was it's very beautiful. wasn't always

15:14

that beautiful have only been in the last

15:16

couple of years. A few years ago I

15:18

counted drove around the neighborhood that my old

15:21

high school was and was cute. Camera wrote

15:23

the my only book store here. just kind

15:25

of like seeing things from get triggered or

15:28

whatever. Yeah and I was. Surprised to

15:30

see what had happened to the

15:32

neighborhood because like it, you should

15:34

be like Connelly Miss Century single

15:36

family dwellings. Notes: Most.

15:39

Of them got torn down and got turned in.

15:41

the mcmahon she's not last. Forty. Years

15:43

know it's quite a. Bit. Clumsy

15:45

there's some very like new beautiful

15:47

house as I mean it's right

15:49

on my for the school is

15:51

it's like and on the other

15:53

side of the whole for medina

15:55

which is where like Bill Gates

15:57

as trying waterfront compound while hello.

16:00

Changed over the seventies he ever when

16:02

you are there was pre microsoft it

16:04

it was Boeing times a New Year

16:06

night market was and there was no

16:08

and it was like you know. Cel.

16:12

And the Seattle area was just like. People

16:14

were to Boeing or Loggers would as

16:16

farther out by and thus more of

16:19

Aberdeen and oh and marry. Some were

16:21

patty someone's femme fatale. the tell you

16:23

hello. Oh sweet Yes. suicide.

16:25

I Love Mark! Arms his saw him

16:27

allows us and Ouseley will their parents.

16:29

And guardians So long I

16:31

saw Larry, her brother. it

16:33

or last I showed up

16:35

straight says the answer. Best

16:38

person Msf Love her. Shen

16:40

said some great stories from.

16:42

As she was also booth Doc Martens

16:44

on the ground at the. At

16:46

the time says she gave me some

16:49

then some good little an intense am

16:51

I at Mark? I'm number. Three,

16:53

It's ten Fifteen am. Your

16:55

out, where have you listened to music today

16:58

And and so I was at night of

17:00

largest dead silence. All right. Got

17:03

a late because I'd steer. Drinking.

17:06

With a friend who's in town from

17:08

Spain Tire Martha Amazon Pardon Did you

17:10

drive to work with this and name

17:12

the radio as on that not silence

17:14

as with your thaw as was you

17:16

Npr. Oh sir. assess assess

17:18

the long the long arm of

17:21

aging curves towards Npr fertility problems

17:23

for his. We all get there.

17:26

Have been there for a subtle that

17:28

cases as. Written

17:31

by like having the radio choose songs

17:33

for me and. Lifters

17:35

eat very much total and we're

17:38

not putting on the serious program

17:40

station and just letting at ride

17:42

or as serious. As

17:45

that's a great out out of the. When

17:48

I don't have. That and if I did I would

17:51

actually put on. The Pearl Jam session

17:53

or perhaps the Bruce Springsteen maybe you

17:55

to me seemed like a you to

17:57

that's attacks. Therefore,

18:00

a mark on what is the first song

18:02

that made a meaningful impact on you as

18:04

a child. Blowing I was

18:06

singing without ever having heard

18:08

the song. She.

18:11

Was you yeah? yeah yeah by the Beatles?

18:13

Just like the playground of like probably my.

18:16

Own yeah because hours have you are exposed

18:18

to that outside of your home. Because I

18:20

did read that there was no rocket launches

18:22

like with the kids. Were. Singing.

18:24

Along So were you into it? Were you like

18:26

This is cool? I like. I was even sure

18:28

I was doing. Race: Are

18:31

you into fitness? And it was is the first one

18:33

that made it's way with scissors. Single.

18:36

I bought was just play

18:38

yoyo Bylaws nice. Told. Me

18:40

that the sense that you're buying the

18:42

Osmonds? oh we like six or seven.

18:44

A legit what your that came out.

18:47

And. Then you may do the math.

18:49

It was nineteen seventy two to I

18:51

would have been. Nine.

18:54

Or ten. Okay, yeah, that makes went

18:56

on, wouldn't go. Yeah. Maybe

18:59

you were. I mean I will I'll his

19:01

legs and like Mark Arm as one of

19:03

the coolest people live happily came out of

19:06

the womb with the that same haircuts and

19:08

he is always been punk and always lacked

19:10

can go in the fall of the foreskin

19:12

her since he's on my fantasy of baby

19:14

mark arm with the bar it's too perfect

19:17

in my mind. I love it so much

19:19

and okay yo yo with Osmonds. not as

19:21

cool but you know we all know at

19:23

nine years old I was radicalized by the

19:25

Red Hot Chili Peppers. Give it away. Now

19:28

so does my Hard Rock is.

19:30

I mean, I detoxified all others and

19:32

maybe. I'd love your thoughts because where

19:34

you're at where you a kiss guy

19:36

as well as a kiss kid again

19:38

Does that mean that was inevitable? I

19:40

think in the mid seventies I have

19:42

no recollection of also says like the

19:44

Beatles days. Of.

19:46

Drawing the two spaces on

19:49

Rpg. Without. Even having

19:51

heard them schwab to they were just

19:53

land and yeah jack out my other

19:55

podcast a explained bands and I going

19:57

to deep research about them and. I've

20:00

done a bunch of bands and it's. Almost

20:03

across the board. Any. Jen

20:06

acts band. What?

20:08

The first thing they listen to your one

20:10

of the first things that they got into

20:13

was cast like it's from everybody, Pearl Jam,

20:15

The Pavement, to everyone. I was just because

20:17

it was so I think like you said,

20:20

oh so probably. and also it appeals to

20:22

children because there's like the cartoony and the

20:24

songs are kinda catchy. And I was

20:26

like petty. I really feel like that's Red Hot

20:28

Chili Peppers for my darius and because of the

20:31

music also appeals. To so I know some we will

20:33

play it for their kids in their kids are like loving

20:35

it because it has. This Sort of like. Bounciness.

20:38

Bounciness. Exactly. that. Kids I

20:40

think I can really easily connect

20:42

to at a young age. Twelve

20:44

inches initially was like aiming the

20:46

face of children but once it

20:48

was awesome. Was atmosphere modified themselves

20:50

are they were like love It

20:52

Ain't broke with a truly great

20:54

are. Dangerous. Minds

20:57

piece on. Recovers.

20:59

Shoot the photo shoot for Hotter Than

21:02

Hell. Wish. But

21:04

basically transferred into an orgy.

21:07

Oh no. Oh

21:10

No. I mean a

21:13

guy you know they started out with like

21:15

this, you know in the same scene of

21:17

like the New York Dolls? I know it's

21:19

it's really crazy to think that raises their

21:21

from like this like glam kind of feel

21:23

that authentic. Authentic. As you

21:25

can be when you put on makeup and he i was

21:27

using us and then it just like. Snowball.

21:30

And something totally different. I listen to

21:32

a couple of podcast that you're on

21:34

a thing was marked man and then

21:36

turned out a punk and he talks

21:38

about Aerosmith with Aerosmith the first, like

21:40

hard rock music that you were like.

21:43

I. Love this! The first record at I

21:45

was allowed to. Purchase.

21:48

Whether the Desolation Boulevard by the

21:50

sweet sweet and hours grooming fucking

21:52

Records yeah, you stay. I love

21:54

that rock and what you connected

21:57

with. It was like allowed to

21:59

talk over you're. Hurting

22:01

your mom was an opera singer I

22:04

like a warmer opposite buffer singer who's

22:06

were and classical music did not want

22:08

you to be not married or walker

22:11

was garbage. feel drowsy country every anything

22:13

that the exact classical music started as

22:15

an argument for that I guess I'm

22:18

I'm not refined and upset make at

22:20

a silent The Gin Blossoms our I'm

22:22

certainly might as can. Stand

22:25

to be skirt nests I'm are a.

22:28

Number. I. Have

22:31

a mark arm. Oh you just

22:33

said it. nifursol me about your own money or

22:35

shoplift it was yonder him was asleep. When

22:38

he probably would have been so indifferent about

22:40

loved by. There's. A

22:42

younger, How old were you when you bought

22:44

the sweet record? Not willing to your i

22:47

have a Voice Find that like kind of

22:49

stood up for myself enough to do like.

22:51

You know what? Mom and Dad were piano

22:53

lessons and and. Fire

22:55

Rock record. It's like super slick you

22:57

are living subtlest assess assess as. To

23:01

how did you know about the sweet If you.

23:03

Do from the radio be I

23:05

always go as would I would

23:07

do to these tattoos. Sneak seven

23:10

inches. Singles: And my room

23:12

and stuff away in a drawer. the Deaths

23:14

the Moon be found so like out of

23:16

the know few of those and on say

23:18

that when my parents were gone. And

23:22

I bought it for Sports Fox on

23:24

the run and by pointless came out

23:26

over a unified. I'm just going to

23:28

get this whole recognizes this is my

23:30

shirt sleeves I never saw Timeless with

23:33

either. I have to go return. Returned

23:35

to the catalogue. I'm if I watermark

23:37

is really just wish number of us

23:39

because it's a compilation of to. Uk.

23:42

Records so that all that's a good gateway

23:44

for me as her spent and you. Can

23:47

fool or is a pretty sketchy. Labour

23:50

sketchy demon like a repeat as I

23:52

was kind of the vibe of the

23:54

news sweet our fate of the law

23:56

school. Of

23:59

music career as. He. Was

24:01

an email it was a different time. It

24:03

is really interesting that like. The.

24:06

Rock music. Predating.

24:09

Sort of like a these

24:12

alternative that lead into like

24:14

nineties rock. Before. That

24:16

if there was a lot of pain expressed

24:18

and rock music gray, it was more like

24:20

theater like. It it was limited know or

24:22

it was like. Bragging.

24:25

Or it was up partying. but

24:27

it wasn't much about personal pain

24:29

from problem with promote for a

24:32

yeah, right into a that like

24:34

the Smithsonian Newer Editions or or

24:36

or yeah exactly about a party

24:38

or about fucking Bowers. And then

24:40

and then one day Stephen Moore

24:42

as he was came to the

24:44

earth where you Smith said no

24:47

I really don't more sees style.

24:50

Oh okay I took from his to coronary

24:52

for you know know it's like to the

24:54

same melody over and over again no matter

24:56

what is excessive ssssss. Source

24:59

name is gonna sound like a tone deaf

25:01

guy, like he's got one melody that he

25:03

can sing and. I. Mean,

25:05

I don't deeply into them and

25:07

under I have friends who have

25:09

done so and it doesn't matter

25:12

what about the cure? Ah, I

25:14

really like. Seventeen

25:16

seconds and faith. Yeah,

25:18

faces and then the color. but like

25:21

they got a little this of a

25:23

punk records outside. Now they're more than

25:25

like atmosphere, it's tossing around you. We

25:27

all seem like. At the

25:30

time like fab fit in with like puyol.

25:32

Early jail? yeah, know that everything

25:35

goes for hims like kind of

25:37

like. For. To be more commercial as

25:39

time went on, Yeah. No.

25:42

I didn't like so much research on

25:44

they Turn I Sell Not so they

25:46

tried to be more commercial or dislike

25:48

was the natural evolution of the song

25:50

writing. Classes just like. The.

25:53

Vibe. Of. The

25:55

eighties in a Vm

25:57

successor. Parker I'm giving this.

26:00

The market as you have no idea really wish you

26:02

could see his face or it as he said he

26:04

adds but his face said. Know. Where

26:06

do you see them once And I'm

26:09

like after that local Zero And yeah,

26:11

I was really surprised. The audience was

26:13

basically like. Teenage. Girls and

26:15

at one point Robert Smith is

26:18

like. Dangling his legs off

26:20

the edge of the sage holding a

26:22

teddy bear and like it was because

26:24

he had been to like the show

26:26

Riot. Rarely I finish. Streaming

26:29

he was it is. I mean,

26:31

when it was an interesting thing

26:33

to witness riot, know and love

26:35

cats on sort of a craven

26:37

grab at mean simply isn't it

26:39

didn't get them on Mtv. Green

26:41

River Girls, an audience. He. Others.

26:44

Aren't looking due to that bans I

26:46

know either Ammo and is as as

26:49

as gorgeous picture and her. We're

26:52

doing our best. It literally us as we it

26:54

as can see this all posts it it's live

26:56

bet like a plastic surgeon Green River and it

26:58

looks like there's like four guys who are and

27:01

one man and then Marks. On

27:04

hidden Away Marxism about that once again

27:06

with the same Erica. And then there's

27:08

like so Nasr during to belts and

27:10

a scarf, no shirts. Just a

27:13

man our new know was happening. I.

27:15

Think he was a shirt tucked into another

27:17

shirt. And banks,

27:19

his banks crimped bangs,

27:22

boards. I'm

27:24

living. The. Hand on the have. all

27:26

of that is so beautiful. Ah

27:28

uma. yep I remember

27:31

okay number. Sex.

27:34

Or com does anyone in your child had ever

27:36

tell you you're never going to make get. In.

27:39

Music or something like that. And

27:41

if so, Who. Are the

27:43

ones is a bad smell my parents

27:45

saw. My mom and

27:47

dad are like get a job like I

27:50

was trying to make it a news or

27:52

anywhere else is a marriages are. Baffled.

27:55

By like wire he was the anti month

27:57

re. Re. Re more susceptible

27:59

having. Or friends. Will.

28:01

There ever a point so that you felt like.

28:03

This. Is real. It's my life. It's made.

28:06

Craft. It's my career and you

28:08

had like enough. of

28:10

a thing going on that your pants

28:12

like okay he did at like he's

28:14

in this manually Ibn sina loose First

28:16

time we. Went to Europe from the

28:19

factory work in Germany. That was like a big

28:21

deal from a mock hims humans are man with

28:23

and monday a parody honor him or so. Yeah.

28:27

Well. You know how

28:29

you played Germany? Love! You know the the vibe

28:31

of like us are okay but I think you

28:34

could have practiced. right

28:36

that's that's and I'm sad that as

28:38

I mean there's a million stories like

28:40

a failure and but Ursus group of

28:43

people would fall was around the very

28:45

first on the web. And

28:47

will see him for a few years of like

28:49

probably likes Ninety Five like run my brother the cow.

28:51

They showed up and they're like. You're.

28:53

A much shorter now, but you're not as good as used to

28:56

be. It's and were like

28:58

I think with or dresses like with the play

29:00

Butters Re Re You know what is. Probably.

29:03

Supermajor like are shows probably weren't

29:05

as crazy. As ah.

29:08

They were we first. Went. Over there

29:10

was an adult one of the smarter

29:13

ones culture. That it is an interesting

29:15

approach. I do have some. Sans.

29:18

Amusing have air quotes of my podcasts. That

29:21

do take the same. German approach. And

29:23

then sometimes on my. But.

29:25

What Are you telling me? This is

29:27

why reaching out on the internet I

29:29

had a whole. Month mark

29:31

arm a month. a literal actual

29:34

Benedictine monks lives in a monastery.

29:36

I didn't even know they listen

29:38

to podcasts or had emails but

29:40

they do in iraq me an

29:42

email to tell me it's she

29:44

didn't he's listening to podcasts and

29:46

she understands why people say that

29:48

my voice is annoying by he

29:50

came around to it and I

29:52

was like is this godly Is

29:54

this a Godly Emails is the

29:57

furthest. What?

30:00

That are, you know, mana serious. Spin it.

30:02

we've sense. bury the hatchet man, the monkeys

30:04

I'm ever in as a holiday months because

30:06

I told this around about that. He seems

30:08

little, a blazing little ugly man and I

30:10

forget months. But people it may be a

30:13

sermon and and. Ah, I'm already

30:15

mark arm number seven. well as last

30:17

time you told a lie and probably

30:19

spend some point during this. Obviously I

30:22

was like the money or within the

30:24

last thirty two minutes your leg for

30:26

sir. I said some things like. The

30:29

I don't know what it is, is it

30:31

as a liar either? It's that you have

30:33

Sirius Xm and that actually Listen and the

30:35

Dave Matthews Band, Town and Your Daddy and

30:37

anyone to know about that and less than

30:39

that, Spitzer Secrets which a Man and ah,

30:43

Okay, number a Mark Arm what character

30:45

and a book or film do you

30:47

relate to the most and why I'm

30:49

trying? I'm going to the movies. Is

30:52

is Not Peter Lorre. You know. Oh.

30:55

Maybe it's. The

30:57

Road Truckers is played by Sam

30:59

Rockwell and Confessions of Interest You.

31:02

Do list like Sam Rockwell. Appeal.

31:04

To his of i think he looks like me as well

31:06

as I excuse me his younger than yes. Oh

31:08

My. God. Mud Honey Bioethicists

31:10

Man Honey bio pic when

31:13

starting. Sam Rockwell am a Muslim

31:15

familiar with the movie they are referencing

31:17

What? What's the vibe of the character

31:19

besides that he has a physical. A

31:21

reference to a suit is based on

31:23

an autobiography by truckers who posted the

31:25

gong show of i Gotta Read the

31:28

News or your be kind of chemo

31:30

making and producing game shows that were

31:32

kinda before posting that when it's titular.

31:35

But. I. He also claims he

31:37

was on. A Cia

31:39

agents. Still, With people

31:42

when. I can give some

31:44

like the dating game or something like

31:46

a chaperone for their European. True that

31:48

he was actually like an undercover see

31:50

age of the. Scoping, Out.

31:53

What? Was happening and this is

31:55

crazy bad are you and

31:57

under? His.

32:00

There are You're revealing this information.

32:02

Or you can't really talk

32:04

eagerly Grunge was it was

32:06

a five year long government's

32:08

side of. Perpetuated

32:11

by Mark. Our code named Mark would

32:13

have been five years was five years

32:15

of that Longer is a soda? I'm

32:18

still here reading about it. So pretty

32:20

Rakhmon to oh my god is that

32:22

you And responses. Right

32:26

of self think euthanized. This is my

32:28

new film idea as that's actually Mark

32:31

Arm and Rec. Iraq men are government

32:33

plants. You're

32:37

not even laughing because. It's trips or I'm

32:39

laughing amuse as destroy your with

32:41

it's I can't confirm or deny

32:43

he's a very funny. Concept is so

32:45

absurd in there as Mr. not

32:47

real. So nrl this is real.

32:49

I could go off as an aside

32:52

for a long time as I

32:54

could like try to parse out what

32:56

the government was trying to do,

32:58

what they were trying to achieve.

33:00

This is what's. Why they made

33:03

punk breaks like. Picturing like

33:05

a big. Big. Wall in the

33:07

Cia and like that says ninety Ninety

33:09

One will be the year That punk

33:11

Here is how we achievements. I'm know

33:14

the picture of. Money.

33:25

So many people have worked at

33:27

a Mcdonald's. Millions,

33:29

the best man and then

33:31

for these policies ever had.

33:33

Somehow they just seem to

33:35

graduate from a happy meal.

33:37

But as gun have graduated

33:39

themselves. Because they know

33:42

the skills learned here. Yemeni

33:44

those will come to sort

33:46

of. yours is somehow boardroom

33:48

around here for keep growing.

33:50

He won any saw them.

33:52

Mcdonalds is not with you.

33:55

Are such a swastika safe? I was

33:57

worried we bring back the same scene.

33:59

I'm. The blackout motor I say small

34:01

such I made a crazy affordable replace

34:04

or will blinds had to install know

34:06

the easy. I saw these and they

34:08

got some for my mom who sit

34:10

or to design consultant for free and

34:13

scheduled a professional measure non stop holocene

34:15

son their the number one online retailer

34:17

assessing whether governments in the world blinds.com

34:19

days ago. Sort of them to forty

34:21

five percent of. Nine

34:33

Mark arm. What is your biggest

34:35

sliding. Doors Moment Sanders is a

34:37

film starring well I'll jump. In

34:40

in the movie she's either gets on

34:42

or doesn't get on a train and

34:44

that changes the course of her life.

34:46

I'm asking more a choice you made

34:49

that. Was. Like may be the biggest

34:51

instance of if you had made a different choice

34:53

you and M P where you are to. Readers.

34:57

A whole bunch when you know

34:59

my first day of Missouri first

35:01

started. The over basically

35:03

just there is existed as

35:06

an imaginary man. bread is

35:08

also stasis a few years

35:10

after ya know we eventually

35:12

like. Guard.

35:14

Influence Instruments and. Were.

35:17

Making noise like recorded tapes and stuff

35:19

like that. And then we

35:21

are to the point where we're like over the dumbest,

35:23

maybe? Play. Like. An

35:26

hour of the guys who is involved. Peter

35:28

Wix. A.

35:31

Fight. You know I just don't want to

35:33

make music my life's i'm gonna it's not

35:35

as on writing and so i kept for

35:37

that for sure that sorry our laughing so

35:40

hard I was like your sake bad who

35:42

just thought instruments that nobody knew how to

35:44

play and this guy was like you guys

35:46

I'm sorry I'm not ready to commit. To.

35:49

This six commit to school season

35:51

started to me at the time

35:53

but fire ended up being read.

35:55

He's writing books to this day

35:57

and I'm playing music to this.

36:00

While he became a writer like a novelist,

36:02

Yeah, it's good. Couple so published books

36:04

me like haven't. Worked.

36:07

In film and stuff some credible our

36:09

to ask you I I did read

36:11

that you guys would flyer for Mr

36:13

App and the calculations when it was

36:15

a fake bans the Ida yeah I

36:17

did read a threat confirm or deny

36:20

it that. Was. It called desperate Times

36:22

so the name of the scene. So

36:24

you wrote the letter famously of. Telling

36:26

them that your own band is the worst.

36:29

Been in Seattle Ah signed her name four

36:31

times and than the editor's note was like

36:33

this is the singer and guitarist. So

36:35

the lady that was the cofounder

36:38

of that scene said in a

36:40

book that she's. The one that got

36:42

you guys to player for a show with his

36:44

thought your letter was so funny and she saw

36:47

you firings you chase you down and said he

36:49

basically a show. Is that true? Much more toys

36:51

chased us. Now I I don't think I was

36:53

there but where. Someone was

36:56

firing. The opening up like the

36:58

joy of your the people behind this. You

37:00

know, But we were

37:03

already. Signs were. Student. Nursery

37:05

the baby of money on they

37:07

ran know a record store and

37:10

argue that ah Rubato! Nevada Records

37:12

in the was like hugely influential.

37:15

To. Us like you know like this will

37:17

give us the keys to the kingdom in

37:19

terms of music. To see another was like

37:21

the internet spot of algorithm. Were

37:25

away with stuff during

37:27

an easily and. My.

37:30

Read and her partner does. Wife

37:33

ran a little label at a

37:35

time. Call from the and. Also.

37:39

Released. Student Nurse. So an

37:41

inch or more so I'm not

37:43

sure exactly who's credit for that.

37:46

Yeah, who's in trouble? Who? Who?

37:48

We have to take this advice

37:50

and dumb but crazy. Awesome!

37:53

Thing a student nurse his. Back.

37:56

Together they're still and there

37:58

really is. In Los really

38:01

knows from. Insane guitar

38:03

player our and they have the

38:05

same player Eric that they had

38:07

from. Oh lot of their

38:10

history And the gun new.

38:13

Drummer and second. And

38:16

there. Are age appropriate an awesome.

38:18

Spent lessons that simple and.

38:20

I saw panic a season one and she brought

38:23

up soon as we're talking and that asshole later

38:25

than others that and they've as of influence. How

38:28

old are you in He wrote this letter

38:30

to the editor from eating. Very

38:33

clever eighteen year old I gotta

38:35

say is extremely witty and and

38:37

funny. Letter. And then Mohawk

38:39

man, what most witty and

38:41

sharp, incisive lyrics for for

38:43

a young person to write,

38:45

that level of satire is

38:47

very impressive. We. Were

38:49

in this to say thank you. Mark

38:54

arm is going to implode. She's like please, I

38:56

can't handle this. Movie

38:58

it like. eighteen or nineteen

39:00

is like Dr. Strangelove. You

39:02

know it. strikes. Me that

39:05

you had that level of

39:07

the like clarity the see

39:09

the like seats. Parts of

39:11

a scene that had just started

39:13

five minutes ago and already had

39:15

this like. You know

39:17

putting on airs like when did you call

39:19

the guys and Seattle the punk rock fun

39:22

the over agree on his spill Other Jackie

39:24

I'm just like were and or an s

39:26

should there have been Instagram back then were

39:28

in it for the and stream photos that

39:30

maybe not for the for the culture well

39:32

I didn't know was kind of born of

39:34

a frustrating thing because we would do not.

39:37

Put. On moon after in the hall toy

39:39

put on a show. And then

39:41

there would be like. These.

39:43

Our souls. That. Six thought

39:45

you weren't pantanal. you enjoy inevitably destroy

39:48

the bathroom because they were being quote

39:50

unquote pm leprae as I am sure

39:52

you want to go to show you

39:54

want to keep any help for your

39:56

so it. Is too soon. It's

39:59

brutal. Productive and stupid and I

40:01

were you want more you impressing by

40:03

like taking up your anger out toilet.

40:06

On. A toilet that's like I like.

40:08

Oh, Independently owned. you

40:10

know, signs? they were like

40:12

burning. A Wal Mart or whatever

40:14

the hell over to the Polish

40:16

hole in the Serbian or keen

40:18

on you have to like from

40:20

the lie about what kind of

40:22

man you were I'm in Illinois

40:24

just tapes or up of these

40:26

to several party and you know

40:28

we never got course the damage

40:30

deposits back. Now you denouncement you

40:33

know my favorite adults rock star

40:35

era story of this is is

40:37

that the story of. Eddie

40:39

Vedder plane. Think it

40:41

was like Roger Daltrey sixtieth birthday

40:44

party at night. Carnegie

40:46

Hall. And.

40:48

He destroyed his dressing rooms like Broke

40:51

the Mirror wrote like that lyrics a

40:53

teenage Wasteland and is on. Plan on

40:55

the loss and they build him for

40:57

ten thousand. I

41:00

never the story who's been traveling? keith

41:02

Moon or something. See Isaac ceiling. She's

41:04

moon. I think she was. You

41:06

know if you're a lot of allow me to speculate

41:08

on person that you're friends with that I don't know

41:10

at all who has to me like a mix like

41:13

a basically a mythical figure. It

41:15

feels to me like he never got

41:17

his chance to just be punk because

41:19

it was like. I'm in bad

41:21

radio playing to five people and now

41:23

I'm in the biggest fan than the

41:25

world that we like rehearsed twice and

41:27

now are like fucking huge. Suddenly he

41:29

got the chance to just be like.

41:32

Dom. And punk for a little while. And

41:35

and maybe it's just that was the

41:37

opportunity. To legal added out the off

41:39

the fact. Checked out with Edward yourself

41:41

our don't leave the podcast Gay by

41:43

just at nine hours apart as on

41:45

Pearl Jam's i'm a little. And

41:48

and mentally ill with i know it's way

41:50

too hard, but this is my now Christian.

41:53

It's nine hours long and two parts Female

41:55

Mark Arm I'm A I'm a complete his

41:57

I had to goes and the story is

41:59

very and. The same as many bad books

42:01

written about them. I had to read them all

42:03

in on this is this is what I do.

42:06

I'm the I'm the Christiane Amanpour of.

42:10

Alternative Guitar Officers My parents are

42:12

extremely proud. That is why they

42:14

side a revolution to come to

42:16

America that I could make nine

42:18

hours of aggressive approach amps, I'm

42:21

okay. Snacks License. Numbers.

42:24

And mark Arm What characteristic are you most

42:26

drawn to? And other people? Oh.

42:29

Never even bother. I

42:32

was just wait. For

42:35

someone who's. No

42:37

bullshit, and as a good bullshit

42:40

sort of themselves, slick authenticity. A

42:42

drink. Soya. Of

42:44

it. Ruins If I

42:46

like I'm all is released. Or

42:49

everyone's different. That's a profound. Sadness. And

42:51

also easily struck. By like the different answers to

42:53

this question that really I do think it shows

42:55

a lot. I'll tell you my from the reason

42:57

I mean the show like this was as twenty

42:59

four of the same sort of random questions every

43:01

time I was such a kid that grew up

43:03

on scenes. At music scenes and that that

43:05

was the tone of music scenes, it

43:08

was often lights. And. Irreverent

43:10

tone that to me brought

43:12

to life artists that I

43:14

didn't know. their personality. Like

43:16

any their music and I and I had this like

43:19

connection with their music and I thought there were so

43:21

cool but then linked. Through these sort of

43:23

like question that weren't about like your

43:25

guitar tone or your pedal set up

43:27

or whatever you get to know. A.

43:30

Deeper level of people analysis. Really love

43:32

that. Letting him

43:34

but also a big like a sense

43:36

of humor him. Cheating.

43:39

Yourself? Seriously? Has. The funniest

43:41

member of the alternative rock and

43:43

roll community besides yourself that you

43:45

know we're just Fred Armisen. Okay,

43:47

well, that's not fair. Number

43:50

of the alternative rock and roll. to me

43:52

that is not On Cetera. I've never met.

43:55

Isn't really that surprising? To

43:58

that on and on. My. The golden all

44:01

hanging out, all birds. Starting.

44:03

Popped out the Portland and

44:05

the items or. Possibly.

44:08

Root. For over there was

44:10

someone who I suppose qualities.

44:13

That. I admire it a person. I

44:16

mean is so. Strange.

44:19

As like you know, He.

44:23

He. Became

44:28

an. Number Alive and my

44:30

than his last person. Uma that your

44:32

starstruck. Sort

44:36

of a weird bizarre you roughly the

44:38

same thing but like says. Several.

44:40

Years ago I was like walking on the

44:43

concourse or at Sea Tac. And.

44:45

This guy is kind of

44:47

likes die black hair glasses,

44:49

moustache, Sort. Of library

44:52

skyn an outfit.

44:55

Ah, And. I'm like. Oh

44:58

My. God. And I start my coworker

45:01

should run of survivor glaze how much

45:03

I love him and then realized I

45:05

don't even know what wrongdoing really does.

45:08

He. Was guy on variety shows. well I

45:11

grew up. totally. Was he an actor?

45:13

He was a senior at a traditional

45:15

Uma. Also you know. If

45:17

you know Ludlow I didn't know he

45:19

was so allies Love Intersect is probably

45:21

like twenty years. Okay, so I

45:23

don't think he and his don't have to sort

45:25

of like this mirrored. By. The

45:27

idea a few starstruck is just dumb.

45:31

But you can help yourself. I've started off

45:33

as. For me, it's never

45:36

like the most famous person. It's

45:38

always the person that I've had

45:40

them as. Paris social Relationship.

45:43

With Soto, be like an

45:45

actor that's on like might

45:47

Cbs. Drama about a like

45:49

a band of thieves that rob

45:51

people for good or whatever. Still

45:53

exists because I watch it so much

45:55

that I seals that I'm friends with

45:57

this present. Then I get that crazy.

46:00

Going on and on my part they're here.

46:02

They're right here at the coffee shops bill

46:04

You know we have like such a same

46:06

driven culture that like creates this thing where

46:08

like these people are separate from you and

46:10

they're special and you know if you get

46:12

to see them but aghast. That

46:14

I'm not sure. Do people do that?

46:16

Rocket Nine. Zola. Casually.

46:20

You might go to we

46:22

should focus birch. Oh my

46:24

wife was a the local

46:26

grocery store and. The

46:29

as a cashier was like. Or

46:32

humor and partner. wow she thought she

46:34

got proxy wrong. Reasons why do you

46:36

know? wouldn't go? Isn't going there for

46:39

years? Yeah anyone any been married a

46:41

long time and sure cause I was

46:43

weird school. Is. Never

46:45

like even given an inkling that.

46:49

Here in a way I. Go

46:51

to school. I appreciate that. Was

46:55

really not much there in a with me

46:57

to focus on like. Easy

46:59

to like us are sure celebrities

47:01

have to help people. Go.

47:03

To the grocery store for the name

47:06

is Ashley as another weird layer of

47:08

to like real life total him I

47:10

would hate that. I love the grocery

47:12

store. To space to

47:14

decode it we want we want since

47:16

one of my favorite item is going

47:18

to the grocery store and luckily I

47:21

am only marginally famous as an audio

47:23

only part faster sort of someone time

47:25

doing or milk that would be like

47:27

the biggest scandal us. Navy

47:30

like this bit and to us citizen

47:32

line for. Years Mark I'm are

47:34

you one of the voices on

47:36

the sea tac like please don't

47:38

smoke inside or whatever. I think

47:40

it's a Cia. Others there's a

47:42

bunch of urinary. I remember hearing a

47:44

Dust Mccaig and You. Again for the

47:47

rest that people are an. Overly.

47:49

Delights may they release Seattle Really

47:51

sound It's found his identity and

47:54

is really suck by. Allah,

47:56

you are you. In Duff Mckagan friends in as hang

47:59

out. We. All hang out what.

48:01

We know each other and you know? Our

48:03

known each other for a long time.

48:05

My wife. Noom. Waiver.

48:09

In high school. Times.

48:11

The Roosevelt High School Together and

48:14

Nicky Nikki Sixx also right now.

48:16

As earlier I think that is

48:18

also on. A looter

48:21

sort of course, the monster.

48:23

and my sister, lot of.

48:26

She's. Older and her. As

48:28

him in a class men to do a. Group

48:32

projects and he was in our

48:34

group. and the teacher actually like

48:36

the rest Messiah simply. Know.

48:38

Where he won't break it down for. Me:

48:42

Mentors Manual Open Hope.

48:46

I now get the wrong.

48:49

Interesting. Or

48:53

a. Movie. On my phone.

48:56

Number. Twelve on Zola. Oh, you know, you

48:58

know how social media I. Know.

49:01

Care said Eat on site and to be able to

49:03

answer this question will apply to Hills Get that. Know

49:06

if. It's when

49:08

new Dm someone who doesn't follow

49:11

us to say something. Direct.

49:13

Message. Center. At Dartmouth and.

49:18

Your abs mark I'm and have his

49:20

hip to that. What the kids are

49:22

upset is as I the thing number

49:24

thirteen my farm one is a horny

49:26

a song ever and your ass to

49:28

me and said oh. I

49:30

was it.summer. song on.

49:34

My. Beloved baby Up movies because

49:36

she kind of the Sims

49:38

simulates orgasm was. Or. Or

49:41

maybe Betty Davis. Your

49:43

left to Max. Unger set

49:45

up over for fun. as it does

49:47

he regret those are great ones. Do

49:49

you? do you think there's any more. Need grunge

49:52

songs? Even slow. Our

49:56

our integrate Sorry that the first night they

49:58

played. That. At all. France I

50:00

think you can fail came I was like

50:02

i love that song evening. Flow you guys

50:04

that did! It was really good evening so hope.

50:07

And I love for a long to by evening slow

50:10

imagine it was called evenings. So.

50:13

This is assessed that amuses me as is

50:15

all as is all I've got as thinking

50:17

about evening flow. Knowing that

50:19

Chris Cornell tried out to be

50:22

the singer of Shadow, the metal

50:24

bands, it yes, even you know

50:26

that Mark I'm that's right. Am

50:28

the Christiane Amanpour I told you have

50:30

kids Nineties and eighty's good are of

50:32

music. Yeah I found it buried in.

50:34

Nice Barry I think it was in one of the

50:36

program books bus. Yeah he early

50:38

on addition to be. Or

50:41

tried auditioned to be the singer of

50:43

Shadow which was Seattle's money though of

50:45

metal movie. Before wrong with

50:47

the say around to like a slap

50:49

in there were three piece. It was

50:51

Joe, the I was Just Mccready and the Friel.

50:53

Brothers. I really must have been looking for

50:55

a new singer on that. Isn't

50:58

I just common sense to me to

51:00

some other was always taught and worth

51:02

my while. He. Said it himself. so

51:05

maybe he didn't say when some a

51:07

was before that lakes. But he said

51:09

he drove out to Bellevue. To.

51:12

That get the tape from one of the

51:14

guys houses and the he. Was.

51:16

Very upset because he didn't like.

51:18

It. He like did like Boat of As Baby it like

51:20

the tapes vibe and the guy was like what you

51:22

have to bring the tape back. And. Chris

51:25

was like you on hand drive all the

51:27

way back to return to you I'll fucking

51:29

low rez cassette tape and here's a guy

51:32

neither so he had a bad taste in

51:34

his mouth about shadow. Another

51:39

three brothers and they were

51:41

Roosevelt and also. By

51:44

in the treaty users seal to I

51:46

don't know. Where. Danny

51:48

Burrow or where I received a

51:50

shadow plan where you going to

51:53

medical shows little green sweater show

51:55

right? Yes! and Mike Mccready would

51:57

Smash Dolls on States me be

51:59

I don't remember that. Wasn't

52:02

there. I. Didn't see

52:04

them that off the we played with

52:06

them. I think he was kind of

52:08

through stone disease or a was going

52:11

on. Spurs are the most shows, it's.

52:13

Like. Hills Roller Rink A man.

52:16

He went to high school is Steve. Turner

52:19

and Alex Shumway. Said.

52:23

North of a schoolyard summit

52:25

then stop an an original

52:27

a small weird like already

52:30

private school. Is

52:32

now. Superstitions was not super

52:34

expensive than who, well as

52:36

you probably have to the

52:38

time. Like most. My wife

52:40

and their for one year know her

52:42

junior year in Tennessee. Where

52:45

I think there are in possession

52:48

of a Pearl Jam platinum records

52:50

Their. I believe

52:52

at the hands of us are in the

52:54

heat and it went over to one of

52:56

the music teachers are some. Yeah

52:59

yeah, Song was sort of like the. For.

53:02

Us like them. Bridge.

53:04

Into knowing like people on

53:07

shower. And later Overlord

53:09

and stuff like that. Metal

53:11

Too Much closer. Thousand Different

53:13

Beast because Commander who was

53:15

a drummer and the original

53:17

version of the Loop before

53:19

they moved. Array of those.

53:22

Rare. I don't. He. Started

53:25

that been out in Aberdeen. Yeah.

53:27

So the different it was and is

53:29

T cal. Seattle area.

53:31

Yeah, those guys were all birds

53:33

that are. They were like the

53:35

ban bit like all the seaside

53:38

metal. Bands. Looked up to

53:40

because they actually like. Put.

53:42

Out a record and like and gone to

53:44

Japan. And like sour? Sure, I mean this

53:46

is. Kind. Of my favorite nerdy

53:48

stuff is like connecting everything back to

53:51

ballot. Is a whiz

53:53

kids. The. Whiz Kids you

53:55

say? Just. As

53:57

W. H. Eyes.

54:00

The year wi Zz kids and

54:02

her feel sorry for my with

54:04

the contest. Was. I

54:06

a San Francisco drag theatrical true

54:08

and the with kids were like

54:10

kind of a sister group appear

54:12

in the Seattle area in the

54:14

early seventies and there and it

54:16

was kind of. Hardly.

54:18

Likely wouldn't run. Their

54:21

own musical Vegas and and I'm A I

54:23

never saw. But there

54:25

are like you know like these kind

54:27

of glam is. most of them move

54:29

gay. Man. Who wouldn't. Do

54:32

these performances is like. You know

54:34

where they could and there was kind

54:36

of a musical component to that, the

54:38

kind of. Like.

54:40

Years of man that was like

54:42

backup, raised in the lines and

54:45

several people from like T T

54:47

O or in. In

54:49

that me, And and

54:51

and Satsuma mood was a member

54:53

of ah is it was kids

54:55

as was smiling plenty Who was

54:58

to form the screamers? Yeah of

55:00

course you know. And

55:04

to me this is. Sort

55:06

of like. Were. When.

55:09

We came out and metal in Seattle

55:12

like the seeds of which were. Born.

55:15

With this group and then the economy

55:18

is essential in different directions and the

55:20

kind of like. A

55:23

by the mid eighties like started coming

55:25

together against us with. Kind. Of

55:27

I think. He britain branches the

55:29

Is or northwest. That's

55:32

my nerdy historian know that's exactly

55:34

the most I've That's what I

55:36

need and a meal. I was

55:38

in an outstanding that and when

55:40

ingested and mans doesn't six access

55:42

that makes me so scientists. You

55:44

said some things on a him which are

55:46

countless. It was like a piece of information

55:48

that I had like. Uncovered.

55:52

Seep. In like some weird san

55:54

website, but you knew it. To and

55:56

I was like oh my Gods and I told

55:58

Patties you willingly blown away Which was. Factor.

56:02

Here my in many works with. Him. Advice which was

56:04

that the range diction. Had.

56:06

Started after just a

56:08

man saw. The

56:11

band. He. A So you

56:13

can remember the name but with called Who

56:15

Killed Society of Civil Servant know those Who

56:17

Killed Society. The over young jokes aside, you

56:19

became circles or yeah. That was like the band

56:21

that this guy who had been in a band

56:23

with see well be nice Hold. Ducky

56:26

something that the owner was

56:28

banned was be stuck with

56:30

those are his voice thing

56:32

to do that. I know and

56:34

I'll settle it was ducky Like a cool

56:36

band name thing back then. Like how

56:38

like wolves. Became cool And that two

56:41

thousand like wolves and wolfmother and will

56:43

fire is snake. Black eyes, black labs,

56:45

all access. But maybe Ducky was the.

56:47

One of the eighties. But yeah,

56:49

but it blew my mind that

56:51

Steve Albania produced that Who Killed

56:53

Society records that that. Was. The

56:55

band that inspired. Death A immense start,

56:58

Dreams, exam and the here we are

57:00

Now it's as the little things in

57:02

little things really. Analyze.

57:05

My farm I just need the guy

57:07

has I was the had ever sat

57:09

for such. As with no Less I'm.

57:12

Okay next class and number

57:14

four teams don't lasts what

57:16

is the biggest money. You've ever

57:18

turned down. A

57:20

return. Dumb money. They

57:23

weren't. Like oh my daughter were doing like

57:25

a Coca Cola. Grunge. Twelve.

57:28

Pack we want mud her need to be

57:30

on the Coca Cola package. Will you do

57:32

any? Really nothing you would never go approach

57:34

for those are as I know I made

57:37

that up but you know what I'm saying

57:39

is a through the time you know when

57:41

it was. Super. And

57:43

pool for like. Do commercials are

57:45

some things I would. I was on

57:48

her. I think what? The economics of

57:50

being a fan of changed so dramatically

57:52

that people do. I always triangulate it

57:54

backs in the shins doing that Mcdonalds

57:56

commercial. Yeah, I think that safe than

57:59

the first one. Like. Selling.

58:01

Out stop at nothing. But. There's also

58:03

just because we're Sigma learning already ones in

58:05

the red records and for a while like

58:07

spy on or whatever was like once for

58:09

him or his of garage band is like

58:11

with with what are they hoping to accomplish

58:13

back to you know with these small garage

58:15

buttons are like were like I was on

58:17

these people to like Survivor Biomes fab the

58:19

fanbase of the earth's he is a does

58:21

It is never going to drive this Iod

58:23

and be pie doesn't have enough money to

58:26

buy a. Glass

58:28

love and respect. I love the Us is.

58:31

I am part of the fanbase by like know

58:33

I'm a mess. I am a like release. And

58:35

that was their whole thing. For the two thousand,

58:37

they're like we are than a sponsor me. As

58:39

S L, they got them anywhere and sounds

58:41

like this: Ah, I see them

58:44

drive around occasionally, but I prefer

58:46

older models. My favorite he

58:48

answered. today has been didn't the

58:50

been Thursday Scream O S adjacent

58:53

band that. Anywhere, Say.approach in

58:55

the early. Two. Thousand

58:57

I think it was to

58:59

than three fourths to be

59:01

in a print American Express

59:03

add. And. Of

59:06

his million dollars. And.

59:09

They said no because it looks like. That's.

59:11

That's selling out. That's uncool as they

59:13

put, who. Besancon and said and I'm

59:15

just a this damn like man. You

59:18

should have said the as. Like who cares at

59:20

the slick? By that point, who cares

59:22

And that's a lot of money. Yeah.

59:26

So. Nothing but honey didn't turn anything

59:28

them ever. oh probably have watches. Him

59:31

was Harry I was nothing that was

59:33

like six hundred I'm sure like in

59:35

the nineties. There. Were things like

59:37

mouth can do that? Yeah, Totally. Ah,

59:39

I'm are a number of see My

59:41

Arms What's the best live show you've

59:44

ever seen? Live music concert. Wow. I'm

59:46

going to be a tough one. I

59:48

know you have forty plus years. Ones

59:51

to rifle through in your mind. you can either

59:53

don't have to give a superlative eat of the

59:55

on a couple of your first arms or whatever

59:57

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1:00:00

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was doing backflips. Saddened

1:00:04

by the end of the show, they're all

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like wrapped up in each other's guitar course.

1:00:08

you're like me, him but now and then

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one point he just like shook his head. And.

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he that's where sensor and as with

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just like or less. Nice

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had the fish in her pants with

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an Agent Orange opening. Slots and that he

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went up to the singer and was like member that was

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not so funny. And. The singer just like looked at him

1:01:38

said nothing and was who has. Not

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made me laugh really only get a

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number seventeen, eighteen. Or

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you hate the most about being famous? And don't

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say are not famous? Because at least on some

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level. You are notable and notorious

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about you sir. Come on I

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things. They're. Like

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adjacent. To. People

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who are much more famous The

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trip. It was awesome power that is

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a cool. That's a cool bonus of

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being Mark Arms for sure. What? What

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do you hear about as. Far

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worst. Just like when someone's just

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dropped track like Sonny Gray and

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it annoying until a sign? Him constantly.

1:05:48

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time in your life that was now

1:05:52

thirty years ago. That.

1:05:54

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much longer das talk about this or

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the like? I'm. Not cause

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in the rose garden. Where

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dwell on and something I want to

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go back to were like or dislike.

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The glory days of my life

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now. Freaky joints. But

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I just like to some level. You

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understand, like assassin he said

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he I guess. You know,

1:06:30

I don't see myself, but I think that

1:06:32

always. fielding. It was better before your time you

1:06:34

know, but like. I do think

1:06:36

like there was a time. Where.

1:06:39

You. Could be in bands and might.

1:06:42

Not. Have to pay

1:06:44

six million dollars and rants this

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is just very few places now

1:06:48

that that. Lifestyle can exist.

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1:06:52

day and I was a. Bunch

1:06:55

of fucking people in Austin, Texas with

1:06:57

no jobs, like living in places and

1:06:59

just like making our and maybe they

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worked three hours a week and this

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was possible, right? It was. There was

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light up, A It was

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the last time in history

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that. You could kind of.

1:07:12

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1:07:14

the aren't seems. I'm not saying that. of course

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that stupid to say, but spread it sucks. Looking.

1:07:19

Back and be like damn like we didn't get to

1:07:22

do that. You know and like sales and it is.

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It's a so inspiring. And hurt narrow the right

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word as but like when I read about

1:07:28

it, it's just like sounds magical even though

1:07:31

there's much darkness and have to like in

1:07:33

every scene. But as the idea that a

1:07:35

bunch of twenty something year olds were. Creating

1:07:38

together and having a community and you know

1:07:40

there is high school in inviting but that

1:07:42

they could do it without having. I don't

1:07:44

even know how fans form now it's I

1:07:47

don't know how the a four day and

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are they pay for a practice space like

1:07:51

unless you're and like a fourth here. Town.

1:07:54

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1:07:56

far as that. That's for me. That's

1:07:59

why. like, Love to read and think

1:08:01

about it. And also because it was, it

1:08:03

was the monoculture. For a while and it. Was crazy like

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a this thing about myself in. Twelve and

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getting to turn on. M.

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T V or buy magazines and like these

1:08:12

were the band's Our in there are like.

1:08:15

I got to have Courtney Love as a

1:08:17

pop! Star as a young woman. So

1:08:19

and for better forests. Whatever you want

1:08:21

to say about weren't he loves to

1:08:23

be a twelve year old girl and

1:08:25

see a very famous, extremely chaotic mess.

1:08:28

The person that was a woman lemon

1:08:30

allowed. To exist in that way instead

1:08:32

of like an antiseptic. Perfect

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pop woman which is all we had

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every kind of hard before then, Thousand

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about that went away. he allows like a

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brief period of time and then it went

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back to being. Taylor.

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Swift's and seven. I look for a server. like the

1:08:49

music, whatever, but it's like. If I

1:08:51

was twelve and I sell these like very ugly

1:08:53

or messy feelings and all I got to see

1:08:55

was Taylor Swift I think I would be hard.

1:08:58

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fewer to miss daughter of previous

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time. I really want to work.

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really takes place this montessori but

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music but like takes place in.

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New. York like the sixties and seventies

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is like yeah, obviously easy to

1:09:20

live in because no one wanted

1:09:22

to live in early a that

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like a seven thousand square foot

1:09:26

lost in downtown New York for

1:09:29

like eighty bucks a month or

1:09:31

whatever and it sucks. And

1:09:33

of you know it was offered a

1:09:36

creativity. In. All.

1:09:38

The arts as as well as or to media

1:09:40

center and so is yours or is weird. White.

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House of like super rich people on the

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upper east side than like you're down privilege

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or whatever. He will

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Michael hey out a massive Kansas City

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terms of the a population keeps

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rapidly increasing so that. There's.

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1:10:09

One of the. The. Players for

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lack of a better word. Like in

1:10:13

a scene. And like Cbgbs, there weren't

1:10:15

many people. Like, more

1:10:18

likely that you could be that race,

1:10:20

but now there's so many fucking peebles

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the even when you. When I've. Been.

1:10:25

Reading about like. The Nineties like. Even.

1:10:27

Since then, the population. As probably gone up

1:10:29

like. A. Massive amounts that

1:10:31

in Seattle for certain other places.

1:10:34

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guess this thought less likely it is to

1:10:39

have community the people. Get more and

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more I think isolated porterages by

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burgers. And it's the internet Though The internet. Was

1:10:47

born and and it it splintered

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people and isolation because they don't

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have to participate and human life

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as much as they did before

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to have social. Korengal. Social

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interactions. Their game The sort of like proxy.

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don't have social media have dogs

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very. Two. Dogs.

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just adopted a puppy and does it

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get better? Above

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is not as soon as they

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are. I'm from Joey Ramone. My

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love of my life but she

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sort of. Critters. I'm

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not sure they told me she was a. Border collie

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and rat terrier mix bachelor energy she is

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worth. I think they just said that because

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they don't want to say she's pit bulls

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she looks more pit bull in the face

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but she is on the smaller side so

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she i think she as rat terrier to

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the black and whites is very q and

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so good It's as I've never had a

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puppy so like. I'm. Like

1:11:58

wow, I just have to. Either. The

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I knew all the time because

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real time. You.

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first. Time and process

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of looking back you appreciate differently

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you know, You

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me like just when I first. Heard

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them or what? Are. You

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gonna discover that already existed and like a

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initially it was for you It could be

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anything. could be a could be one of

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those. It could be like a ban. This

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you like played shows whether you knew that

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you were like manner about the span of

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them maybe like ten years later you'll actually

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what they were do with can acquire just

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like was for me at the time he

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doesn't it can be anything. Whatever comes to

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your mind there's something there to serve like

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first record not like going. Back

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and a traumatic replica and. And

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loving lick my decals often. Do.

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more after you had played music for

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a while because you understand music better

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or it was just like yours. Enjoy!

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him, I can listen to it. And

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digit now. man in out for a

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long track. but. Yeah,

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that's an inaccessible album for me. I'll be. Honest.

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I'll tell myself I'm tired of like

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I don't know there's a good to

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go to. The next record though. my

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details off the Us. Where they've

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actually kind of likes. To

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grapple do he. The.

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Captain. Apparently wouldn't run

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headphones. To do

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the vocals? Yeah! Musicals already recorded.

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little bit off because there's a weird delay.

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craziness. but. Put

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my decals off the kind of like be refined

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with a man. With. A

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scar on trimester and it's.

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not really like a big Captain B

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parks and with a that again and

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man my brain is to smith to

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access the end for me since I'm.

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wrote a letter. To captain

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be apart asking either to lake for

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them to go on tour with you

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choose or to collaborate and he wrote

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him back a. Letter that started:

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seer Bongo. I.

1:14:56

Don't know they did on purpose or not, but I love

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it so much. Debunk! Over the time waiting to.

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the early eighties sort of his stops yeah and

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that like he does not be like i don't

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know who you are bongo but I appreciate the

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offer that were saying home now so that I

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did think I may that he wrote him back

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and call him bongo. The. Against a

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little thanks to little things that really

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same song. Britain.

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and I really really was a

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close. It's all. About.

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time and the response to it.

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be of movies and. Stuff.

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and why can't get prepared glass of

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wine, For

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don't know. When. Last movie you saw. The

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last movie I saw was a

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dog can surf. There's a documentary

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on like though. Fro.

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Women: Surfers. In.

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and nineties and how terribly

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that they got shafted by

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long as you myself. He.

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cool we don't put. The others are worse

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than have seen it. Is

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like that. It is a big dog of the

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as I must I must admit but it is

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it as well as cute to see it on

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on the internet's am are at my farm number

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twenty one. What? Is

1:16:54

your relationship to the Dave Matthews Band?

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the Dave Matthews Band but aren't

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good friend as fathering Ham is

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good friends with the massive hell.

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time as an E S. yeah, I think I

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met him for the first. I'm just recently the

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Dinosaur Jr show. That is when I want. To

1:17:13

ask you mark arm because guess what?

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I'd I'd ten thousand us visiting. Our. Time

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I am. I'm a huge Dave

1:17:20

Matthews Band fan. Sincerely, Various Objects

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I adopted a puppy in December.

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Not the puppy I have now from a

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shelter. Her name Lou Reed.

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her for like less and too much. As

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really bats. And then maybe shortly

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down the dinosaur Jr. Featuring.

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Dave Matthews and also Mark Arm news

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of the show broke. I'll get literally

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not real time updates from like a

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girl that works at the venue. listen

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to podcasts you the emergency. Rcs this

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this. I was like oh my god

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me from have and she somehow paid

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and have them and then I got

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obsessed at the idea of backstage was

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David Matthews hanging out with my arm?

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what did they talk about and I

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couldn't find any information So I went

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to the A I and I asked

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a I to make some photos. Of

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you and David Matthews hanging her

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them on through tobacco you can. Take

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Dave. Matthews. Dave Matthews

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a tattoo on his arm and then I realized

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oh my Gods A I put a mark on

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it's a genius So that of the

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everything Dell cry when I saw Dinosaur

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drummed for them. I don't know I

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my life is surface parking and

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full volume and then he has like. A

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that I learned a man research that he.

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sub pop single the Wagon. And

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all he wanted to do was go see Mother

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history history here to

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informs am Nils Bernstein.

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Report. On this and Vernon, I'm one of

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the books number twenty two. Mark. Arm

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What song would you like to hear just before you die?

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Evenings. Love ahead.

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back to the beginning thing about hear. The.

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things are trying to go peacefully or

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whatever that fruits like. Or

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but as the design of this questions, what do

1:21:38

you think of me from the ninety minutes that

1:21:40

we spend together. Well.

1:21:44

Maybe we need more time is why you

1:21:46

like I don't have any opinions have. Enough

1:21:50

for them. Footwork. Much

1:21:52

like monk, I signed your voice a little

1:21:55

cynical. That as

1:21:57

much as I'm does wrestling and as or

1:21:59

thing market. Oh no easy

1:22:01

much very nice one person Thank

1:22:03

you my past. That's

1:22:05

the only know you're really like

1:22:07

outside of these was our like

1:22:09

was i don't know what you're

1:22:11

really like my home snow and

1:22:13

ice and can't know and as

1:22:15

because you're a Cia operatives not

1:22:17

even a result from off as

1:22:20

a really long com. Super

1:22:22

long as one way of putting it.

1:22:26

Or at last question Number Twenty four Mark

1:22:28

Arm or do you on plug were want

1:22:30

to plug for me and. I

1:22:32

can't pretend to know your motivations for coming

1:22:35

on a podcast today, but I was actually

1:22:37

surprised you said yes we do in this

1:22:39

to the back of said like a man.

1:22:41

In his do this. Better

1:22:44

minutes seems to. I

1:22:46

mean mud honey. says. Have

1:22:48

a. relatively recent album

1:22:50

last year. Us a check it

1:22:52

out it's really good. Ah I'm also

1:22:54

your pi playing some shows and the

1:22:56

near future. One. Show is a

1:22:59

boat show coming up as on your

1:23:01

answer see our player Weird festival every

1:23:03

a. Bird or Research. I moved

1:23:05

to Australia of her own journey. so

1:23:07

we're playing with an old friend Jim

1:23:09

saying sir, are on base just for

1:23:11

this one show. Cool and one of

1:23:13

those shows were like get turned on

1:23:15

I kind of money, but it's not

1:23:18

big enough to. Find.

1:23:20

Eye out for one show. Kosher salt. They're

1:23:22

not listening. The promoters. Rates

1:23:25

were totally overvalued for this. Who's.

1:23:28

Been smart arm when it's a weren't

1:23:30

willing to work on your estimation. Have

1:23:32

been honey much any the media really

1:23:34

important and beyond? Oh, I'm well aware

1:23:36

that assess assess. I'm

1:23:39

Steve Turner. Wrote a book Eat As

1:23:41

The By I I've been reading that

1:23:43

it's very Then there's a really great

1:23:46

Green River cover of a David Bowie

1:23:48

song and I've been listening to a

1:23:50

lot lately, most on a while ago.

1:23:52

Queen. But listen, when there's no statute

1:23:54

of limitations on promo you use of

1:23:56

money from this the seems of I

1:23:58

can eat that worse. I

1:24:00

know, I'm really sorry. I'm so sorry to

1:24:02

bring it drag you back into the present

1:24:05

with a streaming and it becomes. A

1:24:07

Major. It's nice that you. Can

1:24:09

just. A quick access

1:24:11

to stuff. But. I kind of you like

1:24:14

maybe that. Makes. For a more

1:24:16

cursory listen. You're like

1:24:18

wait ten years to find like

1:24:20

the Radio but it it diminishes

1:24:22

the value and like. Even

1:24:25

me. Who? who who is? you

1:24:27

know, younger than you. But I

1:24:29

so grew up having to like

1:24:31

save my allowance money or shoplifting

1:24:33

long box cds long both cities

1:24:35

went right down the pounds under

1:24:37

the subjects. But like and having moved

1:24:39

to seek things. Out and like wheat for

1:24:42

them. and like mail order catalogues and discovery

1:24:44

on your own. I mean I learnt this

1:24:46

is the nerdy of fact about me, but

1:24:48

I learned about So Ghazi in the Replacements

1:24:50

from a book. Oh

1:24:52

from my general about the beer lives.

1:24:54

Now accidentally or bands I was.

1:24:57

He. Know, I was twelve and nineteen Ninety

1:24:59

Four. So Nirvana was my favorite band

1:25:01

and I went to the used bookstore

1:25:03

with my dad and I saw this

1:25:05

book called Route Six Six Six on

1:25:07

the Road to Nirvana by Arnold The

1:25:10

Great Bucks and she basically tracks like

1:25:12

all the like. Music.

1:25:14

That Santa led up to. The

1:25:17

years upon Brooklyn of stuff other places. Husker du

1:25:19

like all these great bands. Dinosaur Jr and

1:25:21

like I would save up my little allowance

1:25:23

money. And go to the

1:25:25

record store and buy whatever she talked

1:25:27

about. and but again like any meant

1:25:29

so much because it had contacts and

1:25:31

it was like special and I don't

1:25:34

I think. The opposite has

1:25:36

happened. People have so much access, they

1:25:38

actually don't dig and they don't discovery

1:25:40

you know we were really are fine.

1:25:42

Get aroused single. Use

1:25:45

you said and Yoyo Bear made use of

1:25:47

an influx are your and you have a

1:25:49

huge I I. I do have a bunch

1:25:51

brokers. I'm not much

1:25:53

of a record collectors, no. No,

1:25:55

that's good psychiatrist. What: I feel like it's

1:25:58

time for me to do a Swedish. Why

1:26:01

does some someone no one else has

1:26:03

to my certain sister and. I mean if

1:26:05

you have any length, Old man honey t

1:26:07

shirts you don't want are happily. Take

1:26:10

them off your hands. I know. How

1:26:13

who winds up t shirts? versus.

1:26:17

Read a lot of the early nineties

1:26:19

stuff is like so oversized because I

1:26:21

was kind of a file at the

1:26:23

time. I guess it's back me over

1:26:25

five years eve. I have a hundred

1:26:27

thousand dollars have to I'm not even

1:26:29

getting There is a a Green River

1:26:31

press kit. On. E Bay for

1:26:33

thousand dollars? That's a please enjoy that. Say

1:26:36

they have any of those in your home

1:26:38

isn't. Good but how much it costs to makes.

1:26:42

Us. There

1:26:44

a There's also a sense of mother love

1:26:46

bone. Or Green River t shirt.

1:26:49

On. Etsy for like seven

1:26:51

thousand dollars. Who. My

1:26:54

brothers and cries show me the

1:26:56

person's that is like I have

1:26:58

seven thousand dollars. For an original

1:27:00

green rehearsing is is is so good

1:27:02

when. Someone is setting

1:27:05

the price, they set the press.

1:27:07

Yeah. So if. You want us and them to

1:27:09

me on take them but I understand if you want to sell them.

1:27:11

In order to fund more trips to

1:27:13

Kelly Setters answer for hims see now

1:27:15

I'm I'm I'm astounded by like I

1:27:17

mean. I guess of spanx provide

1:27:20

like a price of oil just. Venues:

1:27:23

Goolagong. do a show on his. Eyes.

1:27:26

To pay eight eight dollars an

1:27:28

omelet as and seventy five dollars.

1:27:30

Dislike: Go see a show. Were

1:27:33

teenagers of I will say there's

1:27:35

still a very healthy underground. Scene

1:27:37

even. I can only speak for L A but

1:27:39

like and there's plenty of shows that are like

1:27:41

fifteen eighteen dollars with like line ups of bands

1:27:43

and parents are you know that you can do

1:27:46

it? It's just not. You can go see Pearl

1:27:48

Jam for eighteen dollars but even go see like.

1:27:50

Underground. Rock bands

1:27:53

with the last show to the last

1:27:55

so that you want to know as

1:27:57

to what about him. The Math Last

1:27:59

movie. Or what was last anyone to.

1:28:03

Laurie Anderson oh that's so called. You

1:28:05

know you know early. Carson's the who

1:28:07

use the and you know this is

1:28:10

Nayar with his own guitar player gave

1:28:12

us. Anytime that He's a good friend of mine

1:28:14

and he texted me a so where they said last

1:28:16

night he was likes are you at the Laurie Anderson

1:28:18

talk right now and I was like know about. Standards.

1:28:21

I will. I wasn't sure what it

1:28:24

was gonna be. It was like talkers

1:28:26

to compose and before along those lines

1:28:28

with actually these or that the fire.

1:28:32

Service. Mom. So. I followed

1:28:34

when into the. Earth is

1:28:36

of the been around all which is what kind

1:28:38

of the local. Classical

1:28:40

music venue. Over

1:28:42

Cel simply not laser and such.

1:28:46

As. So he knows. kind of like.

1:28:49

This. Is a nice event and. Says

1:28:53

everyone has a chair and seat. That's

1:28:55

all I want now. miss out on

1:28:57

a surprise walk down the aisle seat.

1:28:59

Quite a backline set up as. Was

1:29:02

expecting I want every so fucking great to

1:29:04

have tears now at Stade de France I

1:29:06

love going to Says I want them all

1:29:09

to start at six Pm, be over by

1:29:11

A and have to. I love. For.

1:29:13

Center which shows us.

1:29:16

So. Good and makes it

1:29:18

possible to like our job.

1:29:21

Simple Serious says. You're twenty

1:29:23

one years old in a band? Absolutely.

1:29:25

The Sox play eleven thirty Pm. Go

1:29:27

off says like that science. But.

1:29:29

If I see bands that are

1:29:31

my age or older, you see.

1:29:34

These is also your age know what he

1:29:36

wants to go to. Seven Pm says the

1:29:38

band of the want to play that li

1:29:40

we don't want to go that late, why

1:29:42

can't we just have it started? It and

1:29:44

them are all beautiful and home in our

1:29:46

bed by nine thirty. If. I was

1:29:48

President. This is what I went

1:29:50

and asked into legislation in the

1:29:52

late nineties. I'm Patty Smith played

1:29:54

a crocodile and the story I

1:29:56

was I'm thirty. And there

1:29:59

is no been a bad. I

1:30:01

didn't fully in the era where like

1:30:03

he people in marginal to spray. Man

1:30:06

replied like. Holsters totally

1:30:08

as is like Satoshi pool.

1:30:11

The sauces pad is my

1:30:13

second facts and I swear

1:30:15

he says. Like this

1:30:17

and Than. My arm this

1:30:20

is on us have. Been so fun! I know year

1:30:22

jury is out on me but I think maybe

1:30:24

when you sign. Up

1:30:26

he'll be like okay time. Even though

1:30:28

I was, I was literally. For a

1:30:30

second point by my publicist, To do this in the

1:30:32

and I hadn't noticed. Government

1:30:35

assistance. And it was a machete. Of

1:30:38

call a call backs are you. Sure

1:30:42

are at Mark! Thank. You so much

1:30:44

for coming on! Everyone's had other new

1:30:46

My Honey album and come back next.

1:30:48

Week for new episode Twenty profession by people

1:30:50

have by Jews the pleasures. And

1:30:58

I guess my car maddeningly this

1:31:00

album plastic. Accompany themselves on fire

1:31:02

and of in love to. Her

1:31:06

fine with the rock solid. That

1:31:12

episode was produced by a similar ones in

1:31:14

prison with how. Are

1:31:17

gorgeous Empower supposed? To

1:31:20

do things differently. Adam. Eve

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of other an. Omelette

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every. Position

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at a couple of far

1:31:31

away.