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on basic, Pauly Shore.

0:52

Well, it was at the beginning of twelfth grade.

0:54

The teachers were passing back to SAT

0:57

papers. Which is this college pamphlet

0:59

and I just knew them like shit.

1:01

Now life's gonna get serious and I gotta

1:03

figure this out. My friends would call

1:05

me the Weasel, And then I always

1:07

said, well, for Weisel can make a noise, what

1:10

would the Weisel noise sound like? And

1:12

I'll be on You know, I came up with

1:14

that noise. And then I I think the first

1:16

word that I Pauly was major. So

1:18

for instance, like I say, check out the video,

1:20

it's gonna be May. Jur.

1:23

And then from there, I just started pausing

1:26

in between grindage body,

1:29

and I just started and it just was this

1:31

cadence that I created, I

1:33

think, on the air. It was it

1:35

did it. It wasn't manufactured. Hey,

1:39

1, and welcome to Basic, the official podcast

1:41

of the unofficial history of cable television.

1:43

I'm Doug Herzog, a former TV

1:45

executive, I'm gonna try not to get

1:47

Jen too edge today.

1:50

And I'm Jen Cheney,

1:52

TV critic at Vulture and New York

1:53

Magazine. And I'm not the weasel,

1:56

but I have always aspired to be.

1:58

In a time before, TRL and MTVs turned

2:00

to reality television, there was a show called Totally

2:02

Pauly. Which was MTV's afternoon

2:05

comedian Vijay who caught the imagination of

2:07

MTV's after school audience in a big

2:09

way.

2:11

We seem to come out of nowhere and became

2:13

a huge MTV star, later

2:15

going on to star in five feature

2:17

films. No one who lived through

2:19

the nineties could possibly forget. Pauly

2:22

Nope. Not at all. He was truly iconic in his

2:24

own way, and he's still around today touring

2:26

the country, and I'm sure he's still chilling

2:28

and grinding. So stay tuned for our conversation

2:31

with Louise and hang around after as Jen

2:33

and I get totally Pauly.

2:39

Well, we are very, very excited to welcome

2:41

Pauly to the basic podcast.

2:43

Welcome Basic meaning

2:46

like, I'm fucking basic or is

2:48

this basic? Basic cable.

2:50

Basic a cable dude? Oh, yeah.

2:52

No. I'm just kidding. This

2:55

isn't basic. Everyone's fucking basic

2:58

on here. No. I'm just kidding. Thank you for No.

3:00

Thank you for having me. You know,

3:02

anytime, you know, Doug Herzog reaches

3:04

out, whether it's for a new liver,

3:06

or, you know, some sort of, you know,

3:08

some sort of blood transfusion or

3:12

to be

3:13

to be honest show, of course, I I come,

3:15

Doug Doug is my

3:17

he's my brother. So

3:19

He asked you for a liver too. Goddamn it.

3:21

Unbelievable.

3:23

And some money. It's all it's

3:25

all those it's all those MTV parties

3:28

that we had for many

3:30

years. What a fucking what a run we

3:32

had, That

3:33

was a good time. We'll get to that.

3:34

How to fucking run.

3:35

But Jed Jed's got our first question for you. Yeah.

3:37

We have a question that we traditionally ask first

3:40

of all of our guests, which is

3:42

Do you remember when you first got or saw

3:45

cable television?

3:47

The first time I got or saw

3:49

cable tell I mean, I guess it was

3:52

I guess it was

3:52

CNN. Right? Was that were they the first

3:54

1 that kind of

3:55

one of them? Yeah. Yeah. It was probably

3:57

it was probably CNN. was

4:00

It was Jane Fonda's dude. What's his

4:02

name? Ted Conner? Ted Turner.

4:04

Ted Turner. And I

4:07

Yeah. It was it was pretty it was pretty awesome.

4:09

I mean, it was, you know, they were they

4:12

were, you know, they were had

4:14

different reporters all over the world. I remember,

4:16

like, they were tear down this Pauly,

4:18

you know, you had Ronald Reagan, and

4:21

they had all that. And then, you know, it was it

4:23

was cool. I mean, I love Dan Rather, and I love

4:26

all those guys that used to be on

4:28

there, and it was pretty yeah. It was pretty

4:30

cool. I remember. And then, you know yeah.

4:32

Of course, it was

4:33

What what was the over under on the answer that question

4:35

being CNN versus MTV gen. What do you think?

4:38

I don't know. I I don't think CNN

4:40

was

4:41

first. Right? They

4:41

would they definitely

4:42

were first. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

4:45

There you go. You know? Yeah. So CNN

4:47

CNN was it was it was cool,

4:49

you know. It was I used to watch with

4:51

my mom a

4:52

lot. You know, the late Great Mitsy Shore.

4:54

So the late so wait a minute. So speaking of your mom,

4:56

you grew up in a, you know, in

4:59

Los Angeles. In a real show business family.

5:01

Right? Your dad was a stand up comedian. Your

5:03

mom was the late, very great

5:05

Missy Shore, who ultimately owned

5:07

and ran the comedy store

5:10

to great great success launching

5:12

all kinds of stars. I have a great photo

5:14

of me and her in the hallway

5:17

right behind the original room. It's

5:19

pretty

5:19

awesome. I

5:20

would love to see I remember

5:21

going up to our office to see her. It was

5:23

cool, you know? It was cool. It was like, we're

5:25

all hanging out. Yeah. She loved you so

5:27

much. So was there

5:29

ever any question given all that that you weren't

5:31

gonna go on a showbiz?

5:33

Well, I mean,

5:35

you were there when I first started. So, I mean,

5:37

you gave me my first break. So,

5:41

I don't know. I mean, I just

5:43

you know, I was in awe of the comedians. I

5:46

would follow them around, you

5:48

know, when George Carlin was there or

5:50

or fucking Red Fox was there

5:52

back in the seventies or Lenny Schultz.

5:54

You know, a lot of these kind of these guys

5:56

would would run around. I was you know, I saw

5:59

you

5:59

know, Gallagher just passed away.

6:01

Never underestimate the appeal of a man smashing

6:03

watermelon's point. Yeah. Yeah. So

6:05

he was there and it was just I

6:08

don't know, my brother, Chris, and my

6:10

sister didn't get into it. They weren't really,

6:12

you know, in awe of the comedians,

6:15

like a comic you know, in Robin and all these

6:17

people would come in, I would just I would follow

6:19

them around like a little like a little

6:20

baby, you know. Mhmm. I

6:23

mean, do you remember were there specific things,

6:25

like, either advice they gave you or just

6:27

things you picked up on from watching them that

6:29

you kind of tried to model your

6:31

your own

6:32

approach. Yeah. I always I always watched

6:35

I remember watching Richard Pryor a lot,

6:37

and I remember watching Sam Kenneth and a

6:39

lot. And the thing that I really

6:41

took from them that I that

6:43

I learned from them is to kind

6:45

of I don't wanna say kill the audience with kindness,

6:48

they would always because those two guys

6:51

especially, as you remember,

6:53

they're very blue. They're

6:55

very raunchy, and they would kind of be very

6:57

dirty. But There was something so vulnerable

6:59

and likable and sweet about

7:02

them. Once they hit the stage, you never kinda

7:04

knew and immediately you loved

7:07

them. So that was kind of like the one

7:09

thing that I really learned from them is to kind

7:11

of kill them with kindness and kind of

7:13

get into them first before you start smashing

7:16

them with your

7:16

jokes. So so Sam,

7:19

he was kind of a mentor to you. Right? You were really

7:22

so so and and to hear, you

7:24

know, I think at least to people who didn't

7:27

know Sam Kinison, which is probably most of the listening

7:29

audience. To hear the word kindness associated

7:32

with Sam Kinison is is probably not something

7:34

that you know, people draw straight line between.

7:37

So I think the words

7:40

what was it? What was it about Sam that drew you

7:42

to him and also liked that kind of kept

7:44

him, you know, interested in

7:45

you. He was very likable. So when

7:47

I say kindness, I I think the words called

7:49

likable. So he was very likable

7:52

on stage. So so when he hit

7:54

the stage, there was something that was very

7:56

kind of endearing. And

7:58

but it was sinister too, and then he would

8:00

kind of come out with the screaming and all that

8:02

after. But I don't know. I mean, even if you watch

8:04

his first letterman. He came out on stage.

8:07

You know, there was a smirk about him. There was

8:09

this he was charming.

8:10

But, man, when he

8:11

got going, it was, like, get out of the way. Yeah.

8:13

Once he got going, then then then that's

8:15

another that's that that's another thing.

8:17

But I don't know. I mean, then

8:20

I love Robin Robin Williams is kind

8:22

of his ability to improvise,

8:24

which was just fucking remarkable because

8:27

he would you know, I remember the mom's

8:29

was it? Like, I think the fifteenth Communist Pauly

8:31

at the Universal Lampards Theatre. And

8:33

I remember Robin Williams just going on stage

8:35

and pretty much improvising his

8:38

whole act in front of, you know, six thousand

8:40

people. Right. He because he

8:42

came from that kind of that improv

8:44

background. So these different guys

8:46

were just so remarkable. Yeah.

8:49

Yeah. And Robin had he wasn't always yelling

8:51

the same way that Sam was, but they he definitely had super

8:54

high energy --

8:54

Crazy. -- and just such a such a very

8:57

fast brain -- Yeah. and also a very

8:59

kind person from from everything I understand.

9:01

Yeah. So what what was the moment when

9:03

you decided, okay, I'm actually gonna try

9:05

to get up on stage and and do this. What was

9:07

the turning point?

9:09

Well, it was at the beginning of twelfth grade.

9:12

Uh-huh. The teachers were passing back the

9:14

SAT papers -- Mhmm. --

9:16

you know, which is the college college

9:18

pamphlet, and I just knew then, like,

9:20

shit. Now life's gonna get serious

9:22

and I gotta figure this out. So that was

9:25

kind of when I decided it was at the beginning

9:27

of twelfth grade to start doing my

9:29

stand

9:29

up.

9:29

Just think on this now. Like, at that point your life,

9:31

you're you're a twelfth grader, you're a young you're

9:34

a kid, basically.

9:35

Yeah. I'm seventeen. Yeah. And you're and you're watching

9:38

for most of your young adult

9:40

life, you're watching the greatest stand up comedians

9:42

of a generation on stage every

9:44

night at the club and sometimes hanging around

9:46

your house. Right? And you decide,

9:50

I wanna do that too. Was that the bar

9:52

for you? He was like, I wanna be Richard Pryor 1

9:54

day. I wanna be Rob Williams one

9:55

day. I wanna be I don't know.

9:58

I definitely, Doug, I definitely had a

10:00

lot of extra pressure being missy's

10:02

kid. Mhmm. Mhmm. Because,

10:04

you know, choose two people to me.

10:07

Choose my mom. You know, you wanna please

10:09

your mom, and then you wanna kind of get

10:11

by Mitsy Shore. So it was like

10:13

a devil, you know, it's a devil whammy.

10:15

So as far as the bar is concerned, I

10:17

don't know. Comedy isn't something

10:19

you choose. It choose or, you know,

10:22

you it chooses you. So, you know, as a

10:24

kid, you know, it's always I don't wanna say funny,

10:26

but I was always fucking around and I

10:28

was always goofing

10:30

off. So, you know, yes, it definitely

10:33

helped that. I was around it, but

10:36

it was it's inside of me. I mean, here I

10:38

am to this day, I'm fifty four and

10:41

I'm still doing shit, you know, just like it

10:43

was just like it it's my first.

10:45

Right? I think someone said to me, I'm gonna

10:47

be like George Burns. Well, like, I'm

10:49

gonna die with a microphone on my hand at ninety

10:52

eight or some shit. Like, I just love

10:54

it, and I think that's the key.

10:56

You know, people always ask me about the business,

10:58

and I'm like, yo, you you it's you've got it's

11:00

gotta get you out of bed. You can't be

11:02

motivated by the money. Even when we worked for

11:04

MTV, I it was such an

11:06

exciting time for me because I

11:09

think I got paid twelve hundred a week I

11:11

think it was five

11:12

days. You got paid in other ways.

11:14

What does that mean? Nobody

11:16

had more fun on NAV. Been

11:19

Pauly Shore. He -- Yeah. -- he had the full MTV experience,

11:21

and we'll get we'll get to

11:22

that. But but before we leave before we leave

11:24

your early years, what did mom think

11:26

when you told her like, hey, I wanna do this?

11:28

Any kid that wants

11:30

to do something that their parents don't want

11:33

them to do, there is

11:35

an immediate kind of rub

11:37

So with me and mom, when I first

11:39

started, she wanted me in

11:41

college. She, like, didn't care if I did it, but she

11:43

was nervous. And so I

11:46

had extra I had a gun on my head

11:48

regarding, like, oh, I gotta do this fucking

11:50

quick. Because, like, if

11:52

I if I'm if I embarrass her,

11:55

it is a blessing in the curse, you

11:57

know, the MTV thing. Because

11:59

my career was actually on

12:02

on a way on a way to just acting.

12:04

I was acting a lot after

12:07

after high school way before MTV.

12:09

I would get dramatic roles on this

12:11

and that. And then MTV came

12:14

and that just took off. And then from there, that's

12:16

when Jeffrey Katzenberg got a hold of me, and

12:18

that's when I did my movies in the nineties,

12:20

all of those films. So if it

12:22

wasn't for MTV, I wouldn't be doing all

12:24

those movies, but you never know, I could have

12:26

won an Oscar. You know what I mean?

12:28

Because I was just asked acting But

12:31

I became known as this

12:33

situation, you know, which is where

12:35

we're at. I was gonna ask you, you

12:37

know, you mentioned that you were you were

12:39

getting some acting roles before the MTV came

12:41

along. At that point, was your

12:43

thought process like, oh, I'm I'm actually gonna

12:46

pursue

12:46

acting. Like, this is what I'm going to do. I

12:48

loved acting, and I love acting.

12:50

I mean, to me, if you're to

12:52

ask me what my favorite part

12:55

of the arts is, whether

12:57

it standup or podcasting or,

13:00

you know, or singing or I

13:02

would have to say acting. You know, I'm an actor.

13:04

First and foremost, when I go on

13:06

tour and I sell tickets, it's not because

13:08

of my Netflix special, it's not because my comedy

13:10

central special. It's because I started in all

13:12

these movies. Mhmm. And

13:14

also the MTV stuff doesn't didn't help

13:17

either because the show kind

13:19

of connected me with America

13:22

in a way that no one else did.

13:24

There was a connection that I had with the audience

13:27

that no one else did. Mhmm. And

13:30

it's to this day. I mean, people

13:32

still feel like I'm that guy

13:34

you know, yo, what's up, bro? Because

13:37

when I talked into the camera, I

13:39

treated the cameras. It's my my home and

13:41

my

13:41

buddy. Yo, come here. You guys, let's check this out.

13:44

You know? Also, you were you were out on the

13:46

streets with them every day. It's part of your show. I mean, you were

13:48

really touching audience every day in

13:50

in the flesh.

13:51

Yeah. And, you know, if you look at the old

13:53

totally polys, it was the beginning of

13:55

that that whole genre of --

13:57

Yep. -- you know, of reality. But it was kind

13:59

of like combo. Like Doug said, I was on

14:01

the streets. I mean, we did a thing. First,

14:04

it was just around it was around LA.

14:06

It was at the streets of LA. And then and then

14:08

I came to Doug and Joel

14:10

Gallen, I said, hey, we should get me

14:12

out to America. And then

14:14

that's when we did the ten reasons, the sponge.

14:17

Which was a contest where people wrote in ten

14:19

reasons why I should come sponge

14:22

off to them. And they would write in

14:24

and, you know, they would have a letter and it would

14:26

say like, oh, my name is came in and

14:28

please come to my house because, you know,

14:30

there's this cool pizza parlor or, you

14:33

know, I have a bowling alley and I would literally

14:35

show up and Paul

14:36

Cox, bro, and Carol Donovan and Greg Johnson

14:38

were great producers, and we just did

14:40

it. And it was just, you know and that's

14:42

Tony DeSantis?

14:43

Tony would produce Like, he'd

14:45

produce out in New York when I came to New York. What did

14:47

what did you call Tony at a nickname for him? I was trying

14:50

to remember what. That

14:50

bastard.

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terms of your your Weasel persona, the

15:28

whole the whole vibe you had going. Where

15:30

did that come

15:31

from? Where did that idea originate? I

15:33

kind of talk about that old Reese's peanut

15:36

butter commercial where you kind of put the

15:38

peanut butter with the fuck and chocolate

15:40

and you eat it and somehow it just it

15:42

just happened. It was kind of a natural

15:44

thing. My friends would call me the Weasel,

15:47

And then I always said, well, for Weisel

15:49

can make a noise. What would the Weisel noise

15:51

sound like? And I'll be,

15:53

you know, I came up with that noise. And

15:55

then And then I I think the

15:57

first I think the first word that

15:59

I paused was major. Mhmm.

16:02

So for instance, like I say, check out the video.

16:04

It's gonna be May. Pure.

16:07

And then from there, I just started pausing

16:10

in between grind, digit body,

16:12

and I just started and it just was this

16:14

cadence

16:15

that I created, I think, on the air.

16:18

It was it did it it wasn't manufactured.

16:21

Right. It wasn't, like, you know, like, peely

16:23

herman, where you know, or it's Paul

16:25

Rubens where it's like, oh, Paul Rubens over

16:27

here. And then now that's his

16:30

character over here, it's something that just

16:31

kind of I started wearing my mom's clothes

16:34

and I put a scarf on my head like

16:36

Steven Tyler and I'm like, those boots

16:38

look cool and it's just gonna I'm gonna

16:40

paint my jeep purple. You know what I mean?

16:42

It just kinda

16:43

happened. Oh, here's my headshot. Check me

16:45

out. I'm an actor. Yeah. I think that's one of reasons

16:47

why you Pauly connected with the audience. A, you were

16:49

probably the same age. Mhmm. And

16:52

and also, it felt authentic.

16:54

Like, it didn't feel like a character, it felt, or

16:56

even an extension it felt like this

16:58

is who this guy is, at least at that moment. And

17:01

it really I mean, it you know, look, you know,

17:03

if you if you were there in the early nineties, and you

17:05

saw us, you would you would remember how in

17:08

what a big way, PolySure connected with

17:10

the MTV audience than ultimately all America

17:12

through feature films and other

17:13

things.

17:13

Now here I am sitting in my multi million

17:15

dollar house, no, I'm just kidding. And

17:17

I'm in I'm in my closet, Pauly. So That

17:19

so well, you you should have taken some

17:21

ownership in my shows. There you

17:23

go. No. This is

17:25

kidding. How can Fucking Rotenberg,

17:27

dude. Where's that guy? Crisco.

17:30

Where's Crisco? Crisco. Let's

17:33

go back. I'm trying to actually remember

17:36

how you ended up on MTV. Now

17:38

tell me if this tracks. What I remember

17:41

was you showing up at Spring Break, a woman

17:43

named Drew Wilson, who was an MTV Talent

17:45

Coordinator, who was a very she was

17:47

the first person that ever said to me Pauly

17:50

And I remember, I think

17:52

she flew you down at Daytona,

17:54

if I'm not mistaken, to put you on during

17:57

spring break. Is that is that how it started?

17:59

You know, what what happened was is

18:01

my manager brought in Drew. I guess

18:04

she had heard about me through

18:06

Hollywood. You know, Hollywood is a small town.

18:09

So, like, they were starting to hear about, like,

18:11

who's this kid? So

18:13

she had seen me at the comedy store.

18:16

I showcased for her. And then after,

18:19

she's like, yo, you wanna come to spring break

18:22

for MTV. And I was like,

18:24

yeah, I would love to. I'd be honored. That'd be

18:26

beautiful. So then, yeah, three,

18:28

four months later, she flies

18:30

me down there, and I wind up sharing a hotel room

18:32

with enslader.

18:35

Because he's down there promoting Glee meet in

18:37

the cube. Remember

18:39

Glee in the

18:39

cube? And, of course, we're too cheap to get everybody

18:41

there on the hotel room.

18:43

Yeah. And and And

18:45

that's so that Come on, guys. Making

18:47

them bunk That's ridiculous. Anyway, sorry.

18:49

No. It's cool. I remember Adam Sandler

18:51

sharing room with Mario joiner next to me

18:53

one year. Yeah. Like, you know,

18:54

again, we just, you know, we just have It was us fun.

18:56

No. It was cool. We didn't care. No one cared.

18:58

And then yeah. So that was the first

19:00

time. Yes. Was in it. I think it was nineteen

19:03

eighty nine. Yeah. Yeah. And then our member, we

19:05

were kind of I I would say

19:07

honestly sort of mildly interested. And

19:09

then what happened again? Tell me if this tracks.

19:11

We did a did a comedy concert

19:14

out in Pepperdine. Where we, you

19:16

know, we've been doing the half hour comedy hour, which

19:18

was a big hit on MTV. So, well, let's just do comedy

19:20

concert like HBO. And we took, like,

19:22

five comedians we like, and we, you know, they're all

19:24

gonna give, like, fifteen minutes. But

19:27

you opened up you were the warm

19:28

up. And

19:29

you got out there, warmed up the crowd, and Joel

19:31

Gallin, who now, you know, a long

19:33

time VMNA producer and rock roll

19:35

whole of fame at all the big shows. MTV's

19:38

unplugged. He came back. He shot the show

19:40

and directed it. He came back and he said,

19:42

you need to look at this. Poly

19:44

Shore was the warm up

19:46

guy, and he

19:47

killed, and nobody was funnier

19:50

after that. And do you remember

19:52

that

19:52

night? I remember. Yep.

19:55

And that was I think when we all took a look

19:57

at that tape of you just warming up the crowd and

19:59

everybody is like, well, maybe this guy should have his own

20:02

show.

20:02

Yeah. Yeah. So that that's exactly

20:05

what happened. So you guys

20:07

said to me, you said, yeah,

20:09

we want you to host this show called

20:11

five funny guys. And I said,

20:13

well, that's great. Then then you said, well,

20:15

here's the thing. You're not one of the five funny guys.

20:17

But but

20:20

you can host it and you can keep the tape.

20:22

I'm like fuck you. Let's go. So

20:25

I was like, let's go. And then we

20:27

did it and it went well. And then from

20:29

there, I started guest VJ late

20:31

at night, whenever you said, you go, yo, Nick.

20:33

You told her Rottenberg. Anytime I

20:35

come to town, you can you're welcome to guest

20:37

VJ. And then after that, we did those

20:40

vignettes. Those thirty

20:42

second vignettes, which was where

20:44

I play a gangster, a real estate

20:46

agent and a football player. And there

20:48

was kinda like my version of Randy, The Redwoods.

20:51

Right. Right. Yeah. Sure. And it's at the end, it's

20:53

a totally MTV. And

20:55

then they were, like, thirty seconds in yes

20:57

that we shot on film. And then from there, those

20:59

started airing in rotation. And

21:02

then after that, you guys offered me AA3

21:04

month kind of trial

21:05

run. Can you remember any particular

21:08

guests or interactions you had with people

21:10

that just worked really well that

21:13

stand out in your

21:13

mind? I mean, the Richard prior fucking

21:16

interview was pretty cool. You know what I mean?

21:18

I was able to get to him because of my relationship

21:20

with him and through my mom in the store.

21:22

So I got him right before he started

21:25

getting sick. Mhmm. So I was

21:27

able

21:27

to, like, literally film, like, a whole week with

21:29

him. In almost thirty five

21:31

segments.

21:32

Wow. Wow. I was yeah. I was like

21:34

because that's how we filmed it. We would

21:36

would bang out thirty five seconds. Segments

21:38

in one day and then I would switch

21:41

my wardrobe. But, you know,

21:43

there was, you know, there was flee from

21:45

the chili peppers, there was Kiana

21:47

Reeves, There was I don't know.

21:50

You know, Alice Cooper, that shit was

21:52

classic. There was the guys from

21:54

warrant. That was really cool.

21:56

Yeah. You were you were also on MTV during,

21:58

like, the hair band era. And you kinda had

22:00

a you sort of, like Yeah. -- sort of were running

22:03

sort of parallel to what those guys were doing

22:05

in a certain

22:06

way. Did you feel like like a heavy millimeter

22:08

start at the time? I think it was

22:10

a combo. It was a combo

22:12

of that and then grunge. I think the

22:14

cool part about me is when the grunge came, you

22:16

guys kept me on the air, which was kinda

22:18

cool. Because that was a big,

22:20

you know, that was a big that was a

22:22

big shift. You

22:23

had to go to plaid shirts, though, after that.

22:25

No more of your mother's blouses.

22:27

Yeah. But, yeah, it was it was

22:29

a you know, but I grew up on the sunset

22:32

strip, so I was, I guess, more heavy metal because,

22:34

you know, as a kid, my

22:37

mom would always drive we would drive by the

22:39

rainbow right on sunset. To go

22:41

home to Dohanian Sunset. And we

22:43

always drive by, you know, the heavy metal

22:45

kits with, you know, they all look like they all gazaris

22:48

Gizar gizariz. Yes. Gizariz

22:50

in in that

22:51

area, you know, so was very influenced by,

22:54

you know, the strip, you know, in that sense.

22:56

Mhmm. I'm 1, there's a there's

22:58

a clip of you interviewing

23:01

a very very very young Bruno

23:03

Mars that has

23:04

gotten, like, new life

23:06

on the Internet. Do you remember that conversation

23:08

at

23:08

all? He knew. He was

23:10

so he was, like, five or something. really?

23:12

And you could just see already he had so

23:14

much talent. It's kinda crazy. Well,

23:17

what happened on that one is either

23:19

Tony DeSanto or Bobby Moore,

23:21

whoever was producing my show

23:23

with the We Show or whatever I was fucking

23:26

filming down there. I had just

23:28

finished wrapping and they

23:30

basically said, Yo. You gotta

23:32

meet this kid. He does a perfect

23:34

Elvis Presley impersonation. And

23:37

I'm like, awesome. Let me meet him. And

23:39

then we just filmed right there. I just said,

23:41

roll. Let's start rolling. And then he started

23:43

doing Elvis Presley, and he started kind

23:46

of doing moon locks like Michael Jackson,

23:49

and that never

23:50

aired. That was just for,

23:52

like, you know, just for, you know, MTV's

23:54

kinda, like, you know, just

23:57

because the camera was right there, but it was mostly,

23:59

like, once he started doing that, I'm, like, we got

24:01

a role on this guy. And then, obviously, find

24:03

out later as Bruno

24:04

Mars. Yeah. Crazy.

24:07

Yeah. It's very cute. If you've never seen

24:09

that clip, go look it up on YouTube. Yeah. Go

24:11

find that now. So you're

24:13

this kid is grown up in that, you know,

24:15

around this comedy club. When you decide to make it

24:17

a career, you get going,

24:19

you get on MTV, you get acting gigs, then the

24:21

next thing you're doing feature films. So

24:23

success came pretty pretty

24:26

big and pretty quick at you.

24:27

Yeah. Have that impact you. And, you know, which was I

24:30

think I mean, how old were you when you were making those movies?

24:32

You're still in your early

24:34

twenties? Yeah. In my on my twenties. You know,

24:36

again, I talk about it on my one man show. I

24:38

felt like Charlie from wonk on the chocolate

24:40

factory. I truly felt like, you

24:42

know, I got the golden ticket. I mean, being on

24:44

MTV and then and then going into these

24:46

films, I was you know, I felt like I

24:48

was on on Joe Hogan. I don't know. It was a

24:50

year or two. I don't know. So while back,

24:53

and I and I'll say this

24:55

to you guys. You know, when I see my movies,

24:57

I kinda get sad. And he's like, why

24:59

do you get sad? I'm like, because that was, like, the happiest

25:01

time in my life or like, you're not happy.

25:03

Now I'm like, yeah, I'm happy. There's happy

25:06

times. But at that time, I

25:08

mean, dude, it was like fucking

25:10

You know what I mean? In your twenties? You

25:12

know, when you're starring in movies, and

25:15

and you're on tour, and you're doing HBO,

25:17

and you're doing albums, and I was doing

25:19

all these things that no one else was doing.

25:22

And it was it was I was in heaven.

25:24

So, yeah, I was like, it was the most beautiful

25:27

time and my mom was there and she accepted

25:29

me because a lot of, you know, the pressure

25:31

was put on me to make it because

25:33

I was missy's kid. So I, you know, I can't

25:35

embarrass her. So I was like this,

25:37

you know, like this to to

25:40

try to make it. And then once I made it, then also

25:42

my mom's like, oh, I'm so proud of you. You

25:44

know? So yeah.

25:46

So it was

25:48

it was a special time, you know. It was a

25:50

very special time. That's a big burden

25:52

to carry around. The expect a patient of, you know,

25:54

being missy's kid when you first decided

25:56

to jump on stage. Did you do it at comedy

25:58

store? Did you go someplace else? Did you feel like or

26:01

or, you know, had that

26:02

work? Is that that feels like a big decision to

26:04

make? No. I stayed away for two years,

26:07

at least. Mhmm. You know, I worked the last

26:09

factory. I worked LA Cabaret I

26:12

went to catch her rising star. I worked

26:14

everywhere else but the comedy star. And

26:16

then when I showcase for her, that's the name of

26:18

my my play. It's called stick with

26:20

the dancing. So when I showcase for her,

26:23

she's sitting in between Paul Mooney and

26:25

and Louie Anderson. And she's got

26:28

her line up there and she's like, who's next?

26:30

And Paul Mooney is like, Paul

26:32

is next. She's like, oh, fuck. Give me a cigarette.

26:37

Then I do my show, and

26:39

then I, you know, I do the jokes that the other

26:41

comedians wrote for

26:42

me. And then and

26:45

then I end with top locking. And

26:47

then I said, how did I do? She said, stick with

26:49

the dancing. That's

26:53

what she said. Hence the hence the title

26:56

of your show. Yeah. Hence the title of my show.

26:58

So yeah. So then the tension built.

27:01

And then I started hanging out with Sam Kennison

27:03

a lot in Ronnie Dangerfield, and I

27:06

got my own place at nineteen

27:08

years old, and that's when

27:10

I started acting, you know, at nineteen.

27:12

I started landing roles, a

27:15

lot of rolls, guest leads on this.

27:17

Boom. Boom. Boom. I started making my own money.

27:19

And then MTV hit and and then

27:21

eventually she was

27:22

like, alright. You can come back in the house now. You

27:24

know what I mean?

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just a side note to the acumen. You're doing those acting

27:59

roles. Were you, like, did you have, like, a different

28:01

look? Was it, like, a more sort of conventional

28:04

look than the one we would know you from today?

28:06

Correct. Like shorter hair

28:08

and collared shirts and like

28:11

I was just I still dressed

28:13

the same way, but this was preweez.

28:16

You know, this is before the wheez was

28:18

even developed, you know. I mean,

28:20

you gotta understand something from

28:23

seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty,

28:26

I mean, it took me five years to,

28:28

like, hit. Right. So that's pretty

28:30

quick. That's very quick.

28:32

That's quick, especially for somebody so young.

28:34

Yeah. That's quick.

28:36

Yeah. So, I

28:37

mean, it's good. It's good and bad because,

28:40

you know, it's good because I was able

28:42

to experience, but it was bad because I didn't

28:44

get to develop. You know what I

28:46

mean? Didn't get to develop slower.

28:48

The way the normal person John Stewart,

28:51

when I was on MTV, he wasn't

28:53

I don't wanna say he wasn't anything, but

28:56

he he wasn't.

28:57

Yeah. He was. He

29:00

he he wasn't John Stewart yet. No.

29:02

He was trying to figure it

29:03

out. His show his MTV show didn't

29:05

come on to laugh for yours. Right?

29:07

Correct. And it just wasn't that

29:10

good. It was just kinda like it wasn't his

29:12

voice. And until you put him

29:14

on the Daily Show on Comedy

29:16

Central, he became fucking massive.

29:18

And I'm like, wow. Like, I guess he's

29:21

into politics

29:22

because he wasn't he wasn't into that

29:24

shit when we were fucking around. No. No. I mean,

29:26

the John Stewart show you know, I think he was to do

29:29

his MTV version of Letterman back then,

29:31

and it was not

29:32

political. No. It's

29:34

just a goofy show. Yeah.

29:36

So, I mean, Pauly, if you if you could go back,

29:38

would you do anything differently during

29:40

that era than what you did?

29:43

I mean, my come from is

29:45

is I love the work. You know,

29:47

I don't come in anything going,

29:50

oh, you know, I don't at least back then

29:52

I'm like, oh, if I do this and it's gonna

29:54

fuck up that. You know, I didn't think

29:56

like that. I was just so joyful and

29:59

so excited to start movies and to

30:01

do stuff. So I wasn't really

30:03

coming from a place of strategy.

30:06

Mhmm. So yeah. I mean,

30:08

if I was thinking straighter, I

30:10

would probably not have done a lot of the things

30:12

that I've done. I did. But at the

30:14

time when I did it, that's kinda

30:17

how I felt. You know, the jury

30:19

duty was not a it wasn't a hit for

30:21

me or biodome wasn't a hit for me

30:23

at the time. You know, you could say

30:25

they're hit now, which they are. You know, they're,

30:27

like, these cult classics. Classic. Yeah.

30:29

Yeah. But at the time, they didn't

30:31

perform, but a lot of it has to do with

30:34

the fact that I was so overpopular,

30:37

what it was called over Saturated.

30:40

Saturated. That, like, enough

30:42

of this guy already, I was becoming punch lines

30:44

on people's shows. So the to

30:47

answer your question is, like, the

30:49

smarter thing to have done is probably

30:51

stopped after sun and law and just

30:53

taken a break and kind of like

30:55

start to while my stock was high,

30:57

play the game more. But again,

31:00

young guy millions of dollars

31:02

they're offering me, hey, you know what?

31:04

We'll make it work. This is

31:06

a funny idea. You know, let's

31:08

all figure this out. And, unfortunately,

31:12

that shit sometimes doesn't

31:14

work. Mhmm. You know what I

31:15

mean?

31:15

Right. It's hard to see you know,

31:17

you're you're so enveloped by it. It's hard

31:19

to see where it all goes and how it goes and

31:21

But that being

31:22

said, you know, a lot of projects you

31:24

have been doing over the last couple of years, including

31:26

the 1 show you have referenced couple times,

31:28

are pretty self reflective. So Can

31:31

you talk about that little bit? Is is this a form

31:33

of, like, you know, kind of coming to terms with where

31:35

you've been and what you've done? Or how do you look

31:37

at that stuff? Well, I'm very stuffed. I'm very

31:40

self aware. I've always been very

31:42

self aware of where I'm at.

31:44

Mhmm. And that's what I

31:46

think why I did PolyShore's

31:48

Dead, which to me was

31:51

the best movie that I've ever done because

31:53

it was so therapeutic and everyone

31:55

was in it from Sean Penn. I mean, I don't want to

31:58

go down the list, but it was

32:00

the begin it was it was curve before

32:02

curve. You know, Poly Shore

32:04

is dead. If you haven't seen this, it's

32:07

like, what the fuck? You know, it's

32:09

it's pretty remarkable what I pulled off.

32:11

So I was very, you know, when when

32:14

when, you know, I fired Rotenberg and CIA

32:16

and Ben and all those guys, and and I kinda

32:18

spit myself out on the street. I

32:20

did that kind of in a way because

32:23

I just didn't feel joy anymore.

32:25

I just felt like I was turning thirty.

32:28

You know what I mean? And I was like, III

32:30

was burnout and then I went

32:32

to my I went to group therapy and

32:35

self help and and all these

32:37

things to kinda just try to let go of

32:39

everything that I had been through so I can move

32:41

forward at thirty. And

32:43

once I got through that, I

32:46

was able to kind of smile at

32:48

the wheeze and smile at

32:50

what I did, and that's where I wrote PolyShore's

32:52

dead And to me, PolySure's

32:55

Dead was the beginning part of the second part

32:57

of my career. So like Doug said, you

32:59

know, all the stuff I've been doing in the last twenty

33:01

years you know, it's all kind

33:03

of self, you know, whether

33:06

it's adopted, you know, whether it's Vegas

33:08

is my oyster or all these projects

33:10

that I did for Showtime are are

33:12

different specials, you know. I wouldn't

33:14

have been able to do those. I don't think

33:17

if I didn't fit myself on the street.

33:19

But if I were to stay with Rosenberg,

33:21

I could have been Howie Nudell. You know what I

33:23

mean? And howie's had great career. You

33:26

know, here's a guy that's hasn't

33:28

stopped working since dealer no

33:30

deal. Yeah. You know? I mean, that yeah. That's great. But

33:32

it's a different it's a different path for everybody. And,

33:34

you know, what I would say, Pauly, the guy has known you a

33:36

long time. And, you know, and

33:38

I know I know the story.

33:41

And, you know, to hear how you talk about it

33:43

and realizing that you needed kind

33:45

of as you say, speak yourself on the streets and figure

33:47

it out. You feel to me

33:49

like in twenty twenty two as a guy

33:51

who's really comfortable

33:54

with who he is, what he does,

33:56

how he does it. I think it's a good place to be

33:58

to whoever you are.

33:59

Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm

34:01

Yeah. No. I I know. Again,

34:03

going back to, you know, I love to work

34:06

and thank God for the Internet, I can create

34:08

my own stuff now. We

34:10

can all create our own stuff. You know, you don't

34:13

need anyone to do what you guys

34:15

are

34:15

doing. So I'm alright. Yeah. I think the Internet

34:17

has been really cool for you as guy who's

34:19

always been kind of really in touch with

34:21

his audience going back to the MTV days.

34:24

Were you on the streets with them? Because I say, I Pauly

34:26

you on Twitter. And I see, you know, I see how the I see

34:28

the back and forth. And I just think it's like I

34:30

think that's a great thing for Pauly

34:31

Shore. Like, you you're still literally

34:33

in touch with your fans every day. Who wanna be

34:35

in touch with you. Mhmm.

34:37

Yeah. Yeah.

34:38

Yeah. So it's a you know what?

34:40

You know, being fifty four and and

34:42

and all this death around me, you,

34:45

everyone in our age, the end of the

34:47

day. I talk to comedians every

34:49

day. Every day, someone dies. I mean,

34:51

you know, these comments with Gallagher and Judy

34:53

Tanuda and and, you know, and you just

34:55

go down the list. Like, this is life,

34:58

Doug, you know, boom boom boom.

35:00

It's quick. You know, all said, and we're older.

35:02

And and it's just a fast a

35:05

fast thing. So, you know, you definitely wanna look.

35:07

For me, I wanna try to look about what I

35:09

have, not what I don't

35:10

have. And, you know, your health is the most important

35:13

thing. I think it sounds corny, but, you

35:15

know, fuck. But but but of them, Gilbert,

35:17

Bob Saggot, you know,

35:18

norm, like, all of them on I promise you they

35:21

wish they'd go on stage tonight. Every one of them.

35:23

Yeah.

35:24

1 -- Yeah. -- know. I

35:26

mean, are

35:27

there are there things that you still wanna

35:29

do that you haven't done yet? Or is there a particular

35:31

project that you're working on that you're trying

35:33

to get off the ground that that's kind of really

35:35

motivating you right

35:36

now? Yeah. I'm doing I'm doing,

35:38

you know, as this business, you always do

35:40

several things at once. Right. So

35:42

the 1 Man's show is important to me. It's

35:45

very exhausting, but it's therapeutic

35:47

and people really seem to be responding

35:50

to it. So I'm working on that.

35:52

Also a memoir, I've been working

35:54

on that for a while, so I'm gonna self publish

35:56

that and put that out there.

35:58

And then also I'm making a deal with Adam

36:00

Sandler's company right now for a scripted version

36:03

of my show, which is kinda like

36:05

yeah. Which is like everybody hates Chris

36:07

or the 1 years. So it's gonna

36:10

cast the Pauly in their, you know,

36:12

like in their four from fourteen to eighteen.

36:15

And I would kinda do the v o, do the voice

36:17

over. So it'd be Pauly going

36:19

around Beverly Hills High School and then back at the comedy

36:21

store and but, like, kind of, really harsh

36:23

and kind of, like, edgy. Like

36:26

it was. So I'm I'm happy

36:29

working with Adam on

36:30

that. We're gonna wrap up here with our

36:32

our our traditional final question, which

36:34

is other than your own show.

36:37

Totally Pauly. And any

36:39

other associated shows you've done, what

36:41

is your all time favorite basic

36:43

cable show?

36:44

Mhmm. Pauly favorite

36:46

basic here. On MTV, let's go

36:48

with MTV. Sure. Sure. What's your favorite

36:51

MTV show? Keeping with you. Oh, okay. The cable

36:53

show. I mean, I love the Chris Rock show. That

36:55

was fucking awesome on HBO. Well,

36:57

that's

36:58

Oh, yeah. Sure.

36:58

That's premium cable. Not

37:00

about that. That's a good Remember, he was that

37:02

was such a good show when he had those high Short

37:04

lived talk show. Yeah. He had the high

37:06

chairs? Yeah. Yeah.

37:08

He would come out and he would do that. But you

37:10

know, probably Chappell. That was

37:12

obviously great, but -- Yeah. --

37:14

I have to say my favorite cable

37:17

shit. Let me see.

37:20

Go ahead. We'll we'll we'll take Chris Rocker Shepell.

37:23

Yeah. Chris Rocker

37:24

Shepell. Yeah. Alright. Well,

37:26

Paulie, we appreciate you being here. It's great

37:28

to see you. Everybody should

37:31

check out first of all, go on YouTube,

37:33

check out proven on Mars. But

37:35

also if you also go find Paulie Shores

37:37

did, which is a great watch. And if you

37:39

get the chance, go check out his 1 man show.

37:41

Are you gonna tour that at some point?

37:43

I've been touring it. Yeah. I've been touring

37:45

it. So I'll be at the comedy store yeah. I'll be at the

37:47

comedy store November thirtieth. I also have a

37:49

band. I've joined a band Wow. -- which

37:51

is pretty funny. It's called

37:53

Pauly and the crusties. And

37:55

it's basically me with these senior

37:57

citizens, but in the behind me,

38:00

and it's actually really fun. It's on YouTube.

38:02

And then I also have my my

38:04

podcast that I just started with

38:06

jamming the van. Which is a great

38:09

which is a really great YouTube channel,

38:11

which is it really reminds me,

38:13

Doug, of old how MTV

38:15

started, you know, a funny or die where it

38:17

started before it popped, you know. Right.

38:20

And it's just all music. And it's

38:23

such me just interviewing musicians. That's

38:25

great. And it's it's really cool.

38:27

So it's on jam in the van,

38:29

and you can see me interview just musicians.

38:32

Cool. Cool. Well, you can check Pauly short out

38:34

almost everywhere these days. Thank you, Poly. We appreciate

38:36

it, and it's great to see you

38:39

later. Waste So Bye. Thank you,

38:41

Pauly. Alright.

38:48

Pauly, sure. The Weez was

38:51

here. I had that go for you, Jen.

38:53

You know, I one of the things that struck me

38:55

about that conversation is,

38:58

you know, a lot of times people assume that if

39:00

you have relatives

39:02

and show business parents would have you that

39:04

you are here at an advantage, and it's

39:06

it's just gonna make everything easier for you.

39:09

And it was really interesting to hear him talk about the

39:11

flip side of that, which is, yeah, he obviously was

39:13

exposed to Richard Pryor

39:15

and Robin Williams and all these great comedians, but

39:18

there was a sense of, like, if I get

39:20

out there and start trying to do to

39:22

be a comic, to be an actor, and I screw

39:24

up, it's gonna be a huge embarrassment

39:27

for my mother. And so that that's a different

39:29

kind of pressure I think a lot of times people just

39:31

think, oh, you're a Nevo baby, works

39:33

out for you. And I think it's a little more complicated

39:35

than that. think it is sure, a real

39:37

it's a real burden to a certain extent. And also

39:39

in the business he was in, his

39:42

mom theoretically, you know,

39:44

could do things for him. But at the end of

39:46

the day, he used to get up on stage and win

39:48

over an audience. Right. And that's where the rubber

39:50

meets the road. And he ultimately did that. I can

39:52

remember, you know, we We talked a little bit about this.

39:54

I remember when he came to to Spring

39:56

Break. And this woman was

39:59

very much to her credit, Drew Wilson,

40:01

which was an MTV talent exec of fun

40:03

fact. She was also Johnny Carson's

40:05

assistant. So she'd kinda

40:07

grown up around the time she had a great eye for

40:09

comedians, honestly. She was the first person to

40:11

also She was the person ever to say, Jerry Seinfeld

40:14

to me. Good good, like,

40:16

early nineties, late eighties can't remember.

40:18

Certainly, pre the show.

40:19

Anyway, she brought polling me down. And

40:22

everybody was kinda roll on their eyes.

40:24

You know? It was like, oh, he's somebody's kid,

40:26

and Drew was pushing them pretty hard,

40:28

and it and it really wasn't until that following

40:30

thing that we talked about where he actually got up

40:32

in front of an audience and killed

40:35

where we all started to sit up and pay

40:37

attention. And then everything didn't really matter. It's

40:39

like, wow, this guy came in from an audience and he's

40:41

got something and they seem to respond and and

40:43

maybe we should be in business with him.

40:45

Yeah. And I was thinking too when

40:48

you guys were talking about just his persona on

40:50

camera, on MTV, on totally

40:53

And, like, on one hand,

40:55

it was a persona, 1 one hand kinda wasn't because

40:57

it felt like him. And I think he was just

40:59

very natural on camera like he was saying. He he

41:01

just pretended like he was talking to people and he really

41:04

did Even if you weren't conscious of

41:05

it, when you watch him, you do feel that. Like, he just

41:08

he

41:08

kinda it felt like he was talking to you personally.

41:10

I think that's right. He he really had

41:13

a great way in front of the camera and with his

41:15

audience. And and again, it wasn't

41:18

it wasn't too scripted or hardly

41:20

scripted at all, so he was allowed to be himself

41:23

and he was, and it and it just he was one

41:25

of those things at work. You know, you can never predict

41:27

these things, and it was a it was a time,

41:29

it was a place he was the right guy at

41:31

the right time on MTV.

41:33

You know, he had a little bit of that heavy metal

41:35

thing. You know, he had a little bit of the the

41:38

surfer dude thing. He was funny.

41:40

And he I don't know. He just tied it Pauly together.

41:43

He was again, it's hard to imagine what

41:45

a big star polisore was in the early

41:47

nineties, but big enough to star and five feature

41:49

films. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

41:51

And I think it's great that he's still, you know,

41:54

so active, so engaged, doing a lot of different

41:56

things, and from what he said, clearly

41:58

wants to get back into acting and maybe even

42:00

some serious acting, which may

42:03

sound weird to some people, but I, you know,

42:05

I really would be interested to see him in a movie with

42:07

judge. You know, I would I would too, and it wasn't

42:10

until doing research for this

42:12

that I realized how much acting he had done previously.

42:15

And and then to hear him talk about, you know, how important

42:17

that was to him and how that's what he kinda really

42:19

wanted to do. So I'd I'd be curious

42:21

to see him in a role. And I and I really sort

42:23

of appreciate the stuff he's doing now, which is,

42:25

you know, sort of very self aware,

42:27

you know, very kind of reflective and You

42:30

know, like I said, I think he's in a in

42:32

a good place. He knows who he is. He knows who the audience

42:34

is. They still wanna see

42:35

him, which I think is great, and

42:37

he's still out there doing it.

42:39

Yeah. Yeah. It was a good conversation. I'm glad

42:41

we had him on. Yeah. Me too. So some quality

42:43

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