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Welcome to tuesday morning hope you guys are having a

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great one so much happening in the world of

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fishing the last couple of weeks tournaments are are

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flying everybody's getting their spring fever

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fix going on for those of us

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up a little further north even even us even

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i got out this weekend it was like 65 degrees around

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here so i hope you guys did too the we

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have tyler williams with us we really enjoyed having

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him on the show when he won a watts bar

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a few months ago in the fall and he is just he's one of the young guns that's

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lighting them up out on tour along with ben milliken and and several others

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that are that are all just killing it but he's definitely one of them but i

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wanted to have him on because he's doing it differently and he's fishing a a little,

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a lot differently than a lot of the, the finesse heads are doing with,

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you know, the Japanese style, shaky jig headed, you know, pinging a minnow thing, a lot, a lot of finesse

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stuff going on, but not, not with Tyler. Tyler's a power fisherman.

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He's developed strategies with his forward facing sonar using a big jig,

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a three quarter ounce jig and some other techniques that that a lot of guys

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are using like a jerk bait and stuff. So very excited to have him with us again today. So we're, we're going to be

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bringing him on here in just a minute. And we got a lot going on. The classics coming.

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We've got getting ready to go to that. A lot of you guys saw our boys down at Texas.

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It's good to have you guys back. You guys been on the road for like two weeks. Good to be back.

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Not that the big fish and fork. I don't know if I'd want to leave.

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Yeah. How did you guys, How did you manage to get Justin off the banks of Lake

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Fork? I don't know how you did it. I don't know. I don't know. He was catching seven pounders like they were going out of style.

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What's up with that, Justin? You had the gift. But they were fishing from the

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bank at ponds and lakes nearby.

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And every other day, I get a picture of a giant fish. Justin holding a giant fish.

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Just throwing that chatter wagon around, getting after it.

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Just got lucky. You know, no skill involved, just cast in a round,

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one bites it, somehow got it in. I think it was that Freeloader trailer.

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It might have been, man. That was my first time slinging that Freeloader on

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the back of a Chatterbait and might have to...

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Steal some from jocelyn or something

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yeah because i have so many because they're they're

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hard to get and yeah we got them i

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got got some confidence in that little guy now so number

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one it was it was a good good time the the first one

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i caught the big one first cast

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walking down the bank and i'm i set

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the hook i'm reeling in i thought maybe it was like a three pounder and

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rich starts running in like he's 18 again

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down the bank and his fish

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goes underneath like this grass mat and the

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head just pops out rich freaking bear claws it

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and gets it and boy i just seen

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that's a really good friend it is and it

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it was a big one i saw you in the water rich like

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you were standing yeah that was that toledo yeah

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why just trying to get a better angle to fish

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i mean you you you talk talk about

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fishing you sell fish and you watch fishing for two weeks straight

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but the only thing you really don't get to do that much of is fish so

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it's like in that you know small windows you get you

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got to get after it man you gotta gotta make it happen rich got a spot

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on toledo how about that yeah a little spotted bass yeah we we we fished when

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we could and ended up catching a couple along the way and ate a bunch of crawfish

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so i did see that a lot you guys finally got into to the crawfish we got into

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them how many times did you have the crawfish for dinner.

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Three three or four three or

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four yeah three times i think that's an underestimation i

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think so three or four times a day it was tough to

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get them in louisiana yeah they there was one place

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that had them and it was the first night they had them and after that night

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we got lucky that you couldn't get them again yeah i

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saw jordan lee going for it he was wanting he was

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wanting the crawfish and the king's cake and and and

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and the tamales all the local stuff when they were down there

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at toledo but it was just it was

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interesting to see jordan lee back on the elites

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for the first time and he is tearing it

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up oh yeah dude it's like he didn't miss a step you know right back to the top

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never never expect anything less with him i mean you know you know what you're

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getting when you get jordan lee back on the elites and he's not intimidated

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by the forward-facing sonar You know, no brigade.

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Yeah, he's he's he's using it just like just like the rest of them, man.

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And we we we got to mention that, you know, congrats to Trey McKinney.

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You know, we weren't able to, you know, line him up for this week,

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but we will be talking to him sometime soon. But an amazing win at, you know, the the young age of of 19 years old.

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And I just hope that his win and what he has accomplished and what a lot of

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these rookies are now accomplishing isn't being overshadowed by negativity that's

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flowing through the fishing industry right now.

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And really, you know, that's I think there's, you know, a lot of that going

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on. And whether you have.

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Whether you're on one side of the fence or the other, when it comes to forward-facing

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sonar, love it or hate it, right?

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I'm cool with whatever your opinions are,

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but let's not attack a 19-year-old kid on social media because he's being successful

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with a technology that is newer to the sport.

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I really, really hope that as a whole we can figure this thing out because there

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shouldn't be as much negativity.

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And I'm not talking about forward-facing sonar, whether you like it or not.

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I'm talking about the fact that, you know, that this young man has accomplished

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something now that no one else has, and he worked his butt off to do it,

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just like the rest of them. And, you know, I hope it's not overshadowed by the venom.

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I think when, you know, this is a line from Moneyball.

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Movie i'm sure it's a great movie you guys got to

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check it out but it's the the first the first

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ones through the wall are always the ones that

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get bloodied you know and these kids are

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breaking down they're they're busting through that wall with

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new techniques and new technology and

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they're suffering a little bit they're getting beat

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up a little bit out there but they're they're

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setting in the pace man and it's always gonna it's

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always gonna be the case and i'm not you know here's a

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deal when when they came the drop shot was

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something that came into fishing and and

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frustrated the crap out of me because i

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could not dial in quickly enough and i

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got my teeth kicked in you know with that

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technique when you know when it first came down the

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pike then you know one of of the big one

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of the other big ones was they took away fall tournaments and

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it became a spring and was all about sight fishing for years and

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you know that's who became you know famous

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was the guys that got good at sight fishing the guys that got good at drop shot

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and they became they're some of the marquee guys that we still hold on a high

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pedestal because they were the first ones to embrace the new techniques and

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new technology that you know and the way things were changing And they were the first ones.

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And these guys are that, that too. And yeah, they're good. They're going to,

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they're going to get, they're going to suffer a little negativity. I don't.

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Negative or positive it's good man you're you're grabbing the attention

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of people you're doing it better than anybody else on

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the planet can so i credit all

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of them for that and trey in particular what a great tournament

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man just catching those catching those giants are we

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i'm waiting on you i just i

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want to say one more thing like trey me and rich we've had

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him on the show and we talked to him after day one or

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something i mean the kid gets it he's respectful he's

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a great kid his parents are super nice it's it's

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a shame all this negative stuff there is a lot of it like

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if you it's it's it's it's upsetting to scroll through some of the stuff on

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social right now and see all the venom that's flowing it's a bad deal honestly

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like if you're a grown man and you're you know taking shots at a 19 year old

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kid who just won a blue trophy look in the mirror for a second that's That's

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the last thing I'll say on it. Everybody had a chance to do what he did. He did it better.

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It's like being a sore loser. I hate it. I don't like hearing it either.

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But that being said, I want to make a transition because there's one thing I

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love about this young man.

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We had him on the show in the fall. His positivity.

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Just always, no matter what, thrown at him. and he had a lot thrown at him last year when he won.

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You know, just smiling, great attitude. I love that.

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Embracing the new technology and doing extremely well with it and just come

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off another big finish at Lake Fork. Glad to have him with us, Tyler William.

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The main event.

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How's it going? Going good. We've got good signal now. I know we had bad signal. We had to get you.

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Looks like you're solid right now. I think so. So I had to go to my truck, but it's okay.

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That works really good, man. I mean, congratulations, man.

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You're off into the elites and you're flying, having a lot of success.

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Man, that's got to feel pretty good. It's fun for sure. I'm enjoying every second of it.

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As you should. You know? As you should. I mean, were you nervous?

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Like, I mean, you're out there and you're seeing Greg Hackney.

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You got Ike rolling up. Jordan Lee's in the

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mix you're idling past these guys did you have

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butterflies or how were those first

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couple of days on on the elites not I wasn't

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really nervous at all about like who I was fishing

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against or anything like that it was more just like how

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does everything run like how like all that's

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behind the scenes stuff that I'm like oh I gotta make sure I do this right but

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on when I fish I just go fish against the

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fish I don't really look at who's around me and it's

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just that that's a positive

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that's a great attitude great attitude to have and i

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i can understand you're a little bit anxious about

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your equipment after what happened on watts bar

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it was trying

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to get everything perfect before the beginning of the year no kidding

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have you have you had any like i know you know

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famously you you didn't get charged the night

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before one of the days and at Watts has

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everything gone smoothly I mean it never goes

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smoothly there's always something that goes haywire right I mean so far it's

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good I've had like some little things but nothing that nothing has like held

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me back at all a lot of it's like just learning the like weigh-in procedures

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like all that kind of stuff too not even just my equipment.

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Yeah that's all that's all new right you

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how is it different how is it different

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from like the opens and the other tournaments it's just everything's like a

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lot bigger it seems like like bigger crowds a little bit like it's more laid

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back but there's also more responsibility to trying to make sure everything

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is perfect like they make you wear shoes on stage yes ass.

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So mad about that. What's that sticker that you got on your boat? What does that say?

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I saw a picture of it, but. Oh, it's the barefoot. So last year on live someone,

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I think it was Greg Hackney called me the barefoot bandit. It might've been

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Ronnie Moore, but then I put that sticker on.

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I'm like, next time I get on live, I want them to see that. it didn't take

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long to get back on live but then

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i was like barefoot equals big bags i love

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it i think it held out this week no kidding man

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is that legit though you're not allowed to they they

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make you put shoes on yeah we have to

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i didn't find out the hard way but kyle did and

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i learned from him yeah you and kyle always running around

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barefoot trying to i sit back and feel everything out a little bit and let others

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do things and i'd watch and see what happened and that way i didn't have to

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get in trouble well what happened to kyle i'm not exactly sure what happened

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i think he just got told he has to wear oh okay nothing crazy,

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like losing your catch for the day because you didn't wear shoes.

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I'm not sure what they do man that's part of you guys brand you know i didn't

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even know it was my brand i've always fished barefoot and it just turned into a thing,

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That's so, I, I, I think it's, I think it's pretty cool. We have to get bass

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to loosen up the regulations. Maybe there's some OSHA regulations for climbing stairs or something. You got to have shoes on.

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I'm not going to push it. Are you going to pursue a, a deal with a sandal or

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flip-flop company now that you're, you have to wear them? I don't know.

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Sure. I know New Balance is pretty big back home. There you go. Factories.

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But perfect perfect are you

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are you back home by the way no i probably

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won't go back until after the st lawrence i just go on

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the road and pre-practice and go to events and just stay on

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the road just living the life man catching bass

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throwing a jig no shoes come on i love

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it i love it where where are you now i'm still

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in texas i had a down day yesterday day after two

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weeks straight and then tomorrow i'll probably

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stay tomorrow and then i think i might head just no

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start heading north get ready for the classic sure are

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are you are you and jt kind of still

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rooming it rooming together i know you guys

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can't but did you guys work together for these

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first two elite tournaments yeah we have it's actually

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been going really well we're still learning the whole four days and

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stuff like that and because last year we

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could catch them two days in a row but catching that third day it's like

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might happen might not happen and now you have to

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do it yeah have you have

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you guys done have you had to make some adjustments what have

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you learned through that process usually we have to find more stuff more spots

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more fish just always have something up our sleeve to make happen but it also

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helps having less boats too that way like Like there's just places people would

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sit on and they might not catch the fish in the opens,

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but they'd at least be sitting there. So you couldn't pull in there in your way.

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Yeah. The way I fish, I like, I haven't had a boat on anything.

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I've wanted to fish in two events. Man, that's, that's amazing. Well, well, you got two and a half days though.

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Like that's a, that's gotta be a shocker for you guys.

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I mean, unlimited practice or no, it was five days for the open.

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So now you got two and a half days. Does that cause pressure?

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Uh, not too bad. I kind of treat the first day of the tournament,

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like another practice day. One of those practice days that you're sticking them, try to learn from there.

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At least that's the approach I'm taking at first. and it worked last week so

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we'll see what happens going forward but that is it that is a unique approach

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actually what just to think of that way of that you know you're you're practicing

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but you're setting the hook on everything to bites right like you know how many people win practice,

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oh yeah i gotta try to win practice the first day

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all right well so so so

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how do you manage to say your first two days or

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is it all on you know the outboard

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looking around or how do you how do

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you use your two and a half days well we actually get

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three full days which made a pretty big difference what i

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have usually i'll pre-practice so i at least have some things like say say my

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boat broke and i got no practice at all i'd at least have like some spots a

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brush file i could roll up on or there's something that might be good not that

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it is good but just something and then From there, I'll just try to expand and find new little things,

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fish my way into little sneaky spots and be like, oh, there's a fish out of

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the whole timber field, that one tree has one,

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things like that, just to try to have something.

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I got you. Yeah. So that's a change, right? Three days of practice.

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What is it? Three days of practice. And then the Wednesday off is,

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is that what they're doing on the elite? So they did that for the first one because we had a meeting,

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but they're doing three full days and then tournament the next day.

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Like there's no meeting or anything.

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Wow. And that's, that's, that's new. Cause last year it was still like the two and a half day.

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Oh, really? I, I'm just going to say, I don't know what the past was. I just.

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That's good. good we were you know on i guess

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it was toledo we were going to dinner one

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night and we're watching boats run in and i was like ah it

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must be you know they must be having to get off the water at four o'clock

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and then we you know we're coming back and there's another

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boat still running i'm like ah maybe it's five o'clock and then it's like

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dark and there's still another boat coming i'm like well i guess

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there's either no no time or somebody's out

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there breaking the rules but it yeah that's it

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that's it yeah it's it's interesting it's changing for

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us it's changing but for you it's all brand new yeah i

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was gonna say i i don't know what it was before so everything's new

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to me do you use all three days in full like do you did you stay on the water

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until dark like for all three days or did you get off a little early to do tackle

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or how how do you work that for four we had a really bad weather day the last

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day and i kind of knew i knew from pre-practice just where I was going to fish

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and what I was going to do. And then I just, I didn't end up fishing that last day, just mostly because of wind.

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Like I would have been out there if it wasn't crazy, but it was pretty bad Toledo. I used every day though.

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There'll be some that I feel like I'll probably wish I had more time on and

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then there'll be some that just kind of flow, uh, Well, let me ask you this. I mean, I want to get into the nuts and bolts of

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how you're catching them and your techniques, but this is kind of more of a practice question.

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Like, you're amongst the group that's just smash forward facing.

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Do you spend any practice time? Do

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you just get up on the bank and look for

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spawners that could have been happen at fork or get

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up and frog fish or flip jigs do you put

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any any of that time in at practice at all

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uh on the bank i i'd

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probably say no although like i have a weird thing because

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like i don't like fishing shallow banks but if there's like

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a bluff wall or something like that with like lay downs

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on it i'll always check those and it might just be a meat

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bank but i just like if

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i go to like a flat bank i'm usually looking at what's the

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first piece of structure off the the drop like in six foot of

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water instead of right up on that always trying to find

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like a staging fish or something and it may be where i'm from too

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but just because we do a lot with rock piles and things like you

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always try to find that one thing that they're going to and we were

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never able to have spawn like we could never have a spawn tournament back

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home so i didn't really fish much during the spawn so i don't

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really know much about the spawn uh yeah yeah

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that makes that makes a lot of sense it's all closed season up

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up uh in new england a lot of places during

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the spawn on right that was wow it was definitely interesting like there's going

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to be some that although there's a lot of fish that surprisingly spawn offshore

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too that we we caught last year throughout the opens like between toledo toledo

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bugs island wheeler they'd spawn on like just stumps and random things out there.

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I don't know it's kind of my type of spawn yeah yeah

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that's stuff where you can use your electronics you can see them uh

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they'll spawn in the in standing timber sometimes

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right and and those types of places

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so man i i mean it's amazing i'm just

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i'm blown away talking to you like there's really you know

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if you really think about it there's no need to go to the bank not

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for me anyways i mean even without forward facing

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i'd probably just get my teeth kicked in offshore because i

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don't like fishing bank it might be because

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i've gotten yelled at by a lot of dock owners back home yeah right

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stay away from it that's funny i

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you know it reminds me of david fritz

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who famously fished offshore

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you know that was his mo before all the

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new technology came out and no

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i mean every fish on the lake would be on a bed and

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he'd still be out ledge edge fishing and that's tyler

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tyler probably mean brush file fishing

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hoping for the best yeah well let's

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let's let's take that moment and dive into it because one of the things and

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we talked about it you know when when we had you on the show a couple months

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ago you're you're throwing power baits in the face of a lot of guys finesse

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fishing with new technology and i think I think it's so cool.

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I think it's just the beginning of what we're going to keep learning.

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But somehow you're managing to trigger big bites, winning bites with big power

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baits on this technology that nobody else seems to have figured out yet. Right.

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I don't even know. It's just kind of what I do.

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I just like throwing a jig. Well well let me because we watched a lot

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and you know i've got a lot of experience on

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the water looking at these fish the technique

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is like get get

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the bait above the fish keep them get them coming up

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get them coming up you're doing the exact opposite

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i was doing a little bit of both like offshore

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if they were like if there was no bottom underneath them i'd

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like have to like shake it above their head and get them to

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chase it you grab it or i'd like it would

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fall even though it's a three-quarter and i'd like shake my rod and just

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let it like they'd grab it on the fall but it depends some of those shallow

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fish you just flip to them and they just get it like they just look up and grab

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it yeah just so fun yeah fishing back home when live first came out when you

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say shallow like how how shallow were you fishing we're talking about fork,

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Yeah, like I caught a couple fish in like two foot of water.

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I was I still saw them, but I was just looking up the bank and trying to follow

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them as they progressed. And just firing that jig out now when you you're

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shaking them down or you you're just watching the

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reaction to this fish and much and if

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he come but like a lot of the guys are commenting

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that you know if if you get below

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the fish that fish loses interest right it's there's like a certain if you can

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drop it on his nose like where he's swimming he'll follow it down but if you

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like like throw it past him and then reel and it's under him then he'll just

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just swim away i gotcha are you sticking with the three-quarter even when you're up there shallow yeah.

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You're just controlling that rate of fall with it right i mean you can yeah

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that's the whole it's most like a lot of it thanks to live is just reading fish

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like yeah i think a lot of people are over complicating fish yeah it's i don't

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know i just try to read them real quick and be like okay okay, what do I need to do?

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And then sometimes it's just like, you wouldn't even need it because they just

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eat it really good. But then you get that one big fish that's seen a million lures.

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You could tell, try to trick that one.

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What was your big fish for the week?

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I caught a nine nine on day one. That was nine nine and a half inches.

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23 and a half? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Catch it almost 10 pounder and you can't bring it in.

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I posted a video of it last night. When I set the hook,

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hook it like started to rise up and i was like so that is a bass like it felt

24:56

really big on the hook set but then it flew like two and a half three feet out

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of the water like a small mile oh my god watch like now that i can watch like

25:04

live i see other people's like 10 pounders just lay up on the surface and come

25:09

to them i'm like why did mine have to fight so hard,

25:13

probably because you you hit them in the face with a three-quarter ounce jig Yeah,

25:18

you didn't stick a hypodermic needle into their nose.

25:22

You went ahead and socked them. True.

25:26

That's phenomenal that's that that's an amazing catch

25:29

what did that what did that one come on that i mean i know it

25:32

was a jig but did it come on the the white jig or the

25:35

green white on the white one yeah that

25:38

one right there right you know no weed

25:40

guard you're taking the weed guard off it yeah i.

25:44

Was i wasn't fishing cover with it so i just yeah.

25:47

Trying to get a better hook up with it do you

25:50

do you cut the weed guard off or is it just a jig that doesn't doesn't

25:53

have i just i took my fires and just pulled it

25:56

out usually it has a weed guard gotcha gotcha with

26:00

the freeloader yeah that's a

26:03

fluke type bait yeah i want to be able to buy some more yeah

26:06

fluke type bait is there

26:10

anything with that jig like the way the head is that

26:13

makes it like that's not a traditional like

26:16

flipping style jig head is that like the

26:19

way you're you're fishing on suspended fish is that head like

26:22

what what what is that doing does it help you the way

26:25

it's designed like that i'm not really sure i

26:28

know when it's on the bottom it comes through like cover a little better i

26:31

like throwing a football head but you'll get like coming

26:33

up the back of a brush pile and you won't even get the hook snagged

26:36

but it'll just sit on the back and you can't get it to like roll over

26:39

whatever you want it to and that jig seems to come

26:42

through things better yeah that it kind of looks like

26:45

a mix between a football and a you know traditional

26:48

flip it's all big right it's like a wide archie

26:51

which i like that for crawling like the rocks too so like

26:54

right and all the cracks of the rocks i mean it still gets in them but not as

26:59

bad as some are you are you doing anything with your jigs you know are you going

27:05

denser or thinner on your skirts at all are you are you making any kind of mods

27:10

there i'll just i'll trim it sometimes get a.

27:15

But for the most part, I just fish it out of the box. They're really nice jigs. Who makes them?

27:20

They're the Greenfish Tactical. Oh, okay. Greenfish.

27:24

Yeah. You got that round rubber. Yeah. Oh, it's a round rubber jig. Yeah. Nice. Oh, I like them.

27:31

Is that the one that Kyle's throwing too? Yeah. Okay.

27:35

You guys got a little deal going on with that thing. It's fun.

27:38

On is that that

27:41

head is different from the football style that

27:45

you often throw right yeah it is i

27:47

mean i got one right right here it's kind of like yeah

27:51

it's more like a flipping style jig just

27:54

i don't know how to describe it really yeah it's just yeah that was they were

28:00

having fun or you were having fun talking about it on live like you know your

28:05

your approach is very simplistic and but you made a big adjustment you changed

28:09

colors when you had to this week it's crazy.

28:15

What what when where why why when did you use which color and it seemed like

28:21

the fifth shallower not exactly sure what the forage is but they i want to say

28:27

they liked of course crawfish but like it seemed like the brown could get those

28:31

fish a lot easier just they'd go down and eat it but it It might've been too,

28:35

because they were, they were still suspended, but they were like four foot from the bottom.

28:39

So they just go down and grab it where they just like, I had some fish over

28:42

40 foot at the beginning of the tournament that they'd go down like 10 foot

28:45

and then have to come back up. Wow. Yeah. What would you, what, what would you say you caught more on the,

28:53

the white jig or the green pumpkin?

28:55

It kind of, it started off tournament was colder. And I think the first couple

28:59

of days, the white jig carried me pretty good, but But then as they moved up,

29:03

it progressed into the brown jig. And by the last day, it was mostly the brown jig. I think I weighed in one or two on the white jig.

29:11

Are you going no weed guard on the brown one as well?

29:15

No, I got a weed guard on that one. Just because I'll throw it at anything like

29:18

brush, stumps, dogs. I caught one off a dock. That was impressive.

29:24

I didn't even scope it or anything. I just threw at it. How about it?

29:30

It can still happen. Yeah, I'm like, there's some stairs that go down in the water.

29:34

I know those are always good. Flip, boom. Like, that's cool.

29:40

It's so easy, but yet it's not, man. Oh, it's hard.

29:46

What type of areas? Like, you said you found these fish in...

29:51

Pre-practice period and right these were these wintering areas what were they

29:56

like it was it was honestly the area lake with no trees because i was sick of

30:01

hitting my trolling motor off trees, i didn't want to break anything so it's like i'm gonna go to fish where there

30:06

isn't trees fish for less fish but ones that'll probably bite that's probably

30:12

why you didn't have any competition. Yeah there was there were some stinky little spots in there

30:19

too like made the isolated spots even better just because

30:22

there was so much nothing so what were

30:25

the isolated spots like rock outcroppings or

30:28

channel turns or what one was like a tire pile

30:31

there's another one that was just some random brush and

30:33

stuff like that and then a couple of

30:36

i don't know if there were rocks or like little foundation pieces but

30:41

just little things like that and you

30:44

so you were you were targeting targeting those like a

30:47

lot a lot of and your fish too i think you

30:50

know we're open water fish but you you caught a lot of

30:53

fish off the targets as well i did like that's

30:56

why i was i caught a lot with forward facing just suspended but like

30:59

i have to mention the ones that were on the targets because

31:02

they were just flipped to the target and they'd bite

31:05

it i didn't really of course i used my

31:07

forward facing but it definitely could have been done without

31:10

it right just just identifying the habitat

31:13

that's right man that's that's pretty

31:16

cool spending your time focusing on the nothing banks that everybody else is

31:20

ignoring man that's priceless right i mean first time i went the fish in the

31:27

timber i was like trying to catch a fish and the wind blew me in a tree and

31:31

i almost fell in the water i'm done with this.

31:35

I know one of the dudes busted a hole in his boat. Who was that?

31:39

So, so cool. Yeah, that's right. That was bad.

31:43

And that could, that can happen, man. That fork that's people that have never been there.

31:49

It's like, it's impossible to get from point a to point B, you know,

31:54

you can't even idle down the bank without smashing your boat up, you know? Right.

31:58

I was trying to scan cause I'm a big side scan guy and I'm like bouncing off

32:03

off trees and then come get like there's one with a fork and i get up on it

32:07

like i'm on a trailer and have to like almost put the boat on pad to get off of like this is not fun.

32:15

Just avoid the avoid the timber all together man so did you do a bunch of side

32:20

scanning in practice on your first case a ton what did you what practice just

32:25

like i have the only free practice pre-practice did you find anything saucy

32:31

there's some juice that they weren't on,

32:34

when we go back at some point gotcha gotcha so in that pre-practice you you

32:41

spent a lot of time just looking for habitat cover you know trucks or stuff

32:46

like that you weren't necessarily, graphing fish no i i usually don't look for fish just because they change so

32:52

much i just like I like having, I like being like a local at these lakes and

32:56

having every spot I can go run to, like, like that.

32:59

I don't have like a milk run and just learn every spot.

33:02

Yeah. Knowing the, knowing the environment. Right.

33:05

And then use some of those and expand on whatever you can find in official practice

33:09

and just stuff like that. I'm surprised, like, all these fish aren't biting, right?

33:16

Your jig, right? A lot of them have to look away. Look at that face.

33:20

I know they're all biting. No, I threw out a lot, and a lot of them ate it.

33:26

On this place, there's some places we go that most of them don't bite it, but this was really fun.

33:32

Man. I fished for less fish, and I think that's why my days were a little slower,

33:36

but usually when I saw one, I could at least get it to strike.

33:39

Like, I could get it to do something. And I don't want to perk them, but I at least get something out of them quite often.

33:47

So, cause I'm thinking, you know, man, I, how can you just be so persistent with one bait?

33:52

Like if they're turning away and they're not reacting to it,

33:56

don't you, don't you have a freeloader in your back pocket on the spinning rod to throw in there?

34:01

Yeah. And I try to cast a spinner on, it'll probably go behind me.

34:05

I am with those. I just, I'm kind of grinded out when I can. man.

34:10

Just being persistent and almost bullying those fish into biting.

34:15

If I can. Yeah. A lot of it's timing, too.

34:18

Like, you'll run up to a brush pile, see them go down, and you'll,

34:21

like, get one to bite, and you hook the brush pile somehow.

34:24

And you're like, I swear I felt a bite. But then you come back an hour later,

34:28

and you throw to it, and it doesn't even get halfway through the brush pile,

34:31

and they bite it. And it's just, a lot of it's just timing.

34:34

Yeah. So you were, how many fish a day were you catching?

34:39

Probably the first day was a little slower. I think I only caught like eight

34:43

that day, but the other days were like between 12 and 16.

34:47

Yeah, that's a pretty good fishing day. I was going to say, it was pretty good

34:50

numbers for here. I think a lot of guys are only catching like seven. Yeah.

34:55

That's that's pretty impressive stuff now what do

34:58

you like you're talking about reading the fish and the

35:01

importance of that i mean what what

35:04

have you learned what can you help us with like

35:07

species identification are you able to

35:09

just quickly that's a that's a

35:12

drum that's a carp all right now we got a bass

35:15

on most places yes the only problem

35:18

i was having on this place is the bats are the size of

35:21

a carp like every giant

35:24

dot i saw for the best and eventually

35:27

one would like look up at your bait you'd be like oh that's not

35:30

a carp look up

35:33

at your bait hold on pause pause look

35:37

up but you know when they look up at your bait yeah is

35:40

that because the fish moves and your return starts

35:43

to burn harder yeah you can see it like light

35:46

up and sometimes those big fish they'll sit like this and you

35:49

can actually see them like turn their head upwards like their whole

35:51

body shifts just because they're so big you can pick

35:54

them up right like most of the bat it.

35:57

Seems like most of the bass on on fork you could

36:00

see the difference in like you could see the tail yeah and

36:04

that's because they're big enough yeah right

36:08

where like say like a like a three and a half pound small

36:10

mouth you don't necessarily see the tail you more so

36:13

just see that that you see bob yeah that

36:17

definitely makes it tricky because because like

36:20

the the way that you know on on say champlain

36:23

or other places like where you can you can tell the

36:26

drum or the drum because of the tail right but then

36:29

on fork it's like well it could be a bass it

36:32

could be a drum because they're all this they're all

36:34

like 10 pounds that's crazy

36:37

and he's like that

36:40

nine nine i almost didn't throw at but i was.

36:43

Like i had nothing else to look at i was like let me try it and

36:46

then it was a bass and i was like wow i guess i gotta

36:48

start throwing at all of these wow that's crazy

36:52

yeah it makes it it's so interesting yeah they're they're the same size as the

36:56

carp and that's how you would distinguish them on another body of water right

37:00

a giant blob that can't be a bass you know we got to move on but you see like

37:05

a little one and it's like that's either a crappier bass right right Right. Right.

37:10

Now, now how do you, how do you like, all right, this fish isn't catchable.

37:15

What, what have you learned from that perspective?

37:17

Like, should I spend time with this fish or should I just leave them alone or

37:21

maybe come back? Yeah. What have you learned there?

37:25

I mean, it depends. Like I'm still learning about that part myself.

37:28

Like some of them are, they, they'll do things and act non-interested.

37:33

And then suddenly like, I'll see people cast like seven or eight times.

37:37

And then that like ninth cast, suddenly they get the fish to bite.

37:40

I'm like, well, I usually give it like three.

37:43

Right. Move on. It's, it just depends on the fish, I guess. I don't really know myself.

37:49

Yeah. That's, well, that's interesting. You know,

37:52

when you're dealing with that three quarter ounce jig, I mean,

37:55

you're getting a response so quick you know like you know he's in or he's out

37:59

i'm moving on to the next that's kind of what it is it's just it's either going

38:03

to happen in three or less or it's probably not going to happen yeah do you

38:08

do do you do anything uh funky with your settings are you,

38:12

are you you know what are you doing to dial in there uh i don't really know

38:18

i just run my color kind of high to get rid of some of the like clutter in the whole thing.

38:24

But most of it's just storm like any normal setting.

38:28

So you're running your color game pretty high.

38:32

Yeah, actually. Yeah. So I run the color game pretty high and then I run the

38:35

color limit pretty high. And color gets rid of like, it makes seeing fish on the bottom a little harder,

38:42

but it gets rid of a lot of that, like just color. Like fuzz i guess right right so color is your color is your color limit in the same,

38:53

uh like set where you find the setting in in your settings is it in the same

38:58

as the color gain and that's different than the gain on the main screen it is

39:03

and then i run the actual game i run everything pretty high yeah we're gonna

39:08

have to turn our gain up a little bit now because our Our screen,

39:12

our return keeps dropping on our camera.

39:17

We still got you, by the way, so we can still hear you and you can still hear

39:20

us. I see it going like no signal or something, and I'm like, that's not me.

39:25

No, it's not. It's our camera from 1942.

39:28

We're turning up the color settings as we speak. Yeah, we're adjusting the palettes.

39:36

What color palette do you run? Just the regular amber.

39:39

Amber, okay. okay it's just i've had

39:42

it so long that that's kind of just in my mind that's

39:45

what it is gotcha talk to

39:50

me about have you uh dialed in i i

39:53

remember when i interviewed you last time you were

39:56

talking about using perspective have you

39:59

know do you use that a lot is that something you

40:02

use sparingly or how do you use it so

40:05

i didn't use it a ton this past week but

40:09

there's some places as we go especially when i'm fishing rock that's like

40:12

i use it a lot or if i'm fishing more

40:15

like structure fish because these fish were like you'd have like if they're

40:20

a structure it would be a whole brush pile like it wouldn't be like a little

40:23

stick that's like half laying on the bottom that you kind of can't pick up with

40:26

your live that you can pick up with your perspective it's like usually i use

40:31

it a lot but this one i didn't use it a ton toledo i used it quite a bit.

40:36

So if it's a big, it's a, if it's a big piece of habitat, you use your perspective a little bit more.

40:44

Yeah. Or if it's, if it's like a, if I'm trying to hit like an isolated spot,

40:48

like one little stick or something, and I kind of like say it's laying across

40:51

the bottom like this, I can't really see it with the forward,

40:55

but I can see it with the perspective and get an idea like where I need to be. Right.

40:59

Right. I can go from there. Cause sometimes those fish will hide, not even see them.

41:05

That's interesting. Do you run them simultaneously? Do you have one perspective and one instinct?

41:12

Yeah, I have for the past couple of years.

41:15

I got you. What about an upgraded screen? Are you on the MBT train? Yeah, I have one.

41:23

I like it so far. 60 inches?

41:28

It's a 16. 16? That's modest.

41:33

It is. is some guys are running what 22s yeah

41:36

wow now the you're

41:41

running a 16 and what what's the advantage

41:43

of that is it just the mbt is less glare

41:47

what does that provide you less glare and

41:50

a little less money okay but

41:54

it's they've got like a blue glass that's really

41:56

cool too it just it shows up up well just it's

42:00

a just a good unit all you really need is like a mirroring unit so

42:03

i'm just carrying off one of my graphs in the back and it

42:07

seems to be it seems to be good so far man that's

42:10

great well what i mean i i would think

42:13

my biggest problem would be is is failure is

42:16

equipment failure where i'm out on

42:19

the water and man i'm not i'm not

42:22

getting readings as you know i've got got electrical glitch

42:25

going on with all that sonar that's

42:28

that's got to be you got you got to be

42:31

good at troubleshooting problems yeah definitely you

42:34

have to be kind of mechanically inclined or just good

42:37

at electrical one of the two have you run

42:40

into some trouble out there not really yet other than like turning it off and

42:45

turning it back on that seems to solve a lot of the problem so far have you

42:50

ever looked into a career with uh xfinity because that's that's how they solve

42:54

all of their connectivity issues have you tried turning it back on.

42:59

Have you tried putting in rice? Yeah. That's dropping in rice.

43:05

Do you do your rigging yourself, or do you have somebody that does it,

43:10

like a shop you work with? I've done a couple things myself, but I know there's a couple of kids that fish the college series.

43:17

Caleb Hudson and Tanner Haddon, they call themselves top marine technicians,

43:21

and they rig my boat for the most part, like all the big stuff.

43:24

They did a really good job. Gotcha. Gotcha. it just you know i'm always

43:29

curious as to that because like you know it's it's good to

43:32

have somebody that does it for you but if you have a hand

43:35

in getting it done and something fails you know where to start the troubleshoot

43:41

and like he was saying something something goes on the water you want to be

43:44

able to get that tidied away you know like when we were doing it i was there

43:48

the whole time too like so i understand everything and then now i've got the

43:52

same boat that's a 2022 22 Skeeter,

43:54

same boat since I've started the open. So I know the boat really well as well.

43:58

Wow. That's good. Yeah. That's key stuff. You know, whenever my computer glitches

44:05

or gets weird, I call Jocelyn. Yes, he does.

44:10

Jocelyn, I can't, I can't see the fish. What do I do?

44:15

Well, Hey, you've, you've, you've won watch. You've qualified for the classic.

44:21

It's off limits now. Did you get to go to Grand and scout it prior to the off limits?

44:27

I did. I spent a lot of December there.

44:30

I just left home and was like, I'm going to find everything in this lake.

44:35

And I think I did that. So I'm excited.

44:41

That is exciting, man. There's a lot of offshore habitat there to play around with.

44:48

With have you been like has forward facing

44:53

that technology revealed itself on

44:56

grand and any of your research are guys winning that way there yeah well it's

45:01

hard to research grand especially early season because everything's like forward

45:06

facing with alabama rigs like that's the big thing there right i'm like well

45:10

we can't use that so what does that do to the weights like Like,

45:13

what's the way around that? Yeah. Because there is a big difference.

45:18

I know the way around that. You throw a three-quarter ounce jig. Yeah.

45:23

That's my loophole. Well, that's interesting. So, you know, yeah, the Alabama rig is going to be

45:30

out. It's the water temperature.

45:32

What do you figure the water temperature is going to be by the time you guys get there?

45:36

I don't know, to be honest with you. It's like, it's pretty warm there right now.

45:40

At least mid to high 50s at

45:43

least probably 60s they'll probably be

45:46

doing exactly what i don't want them to be doing yeah yeah

45:50

if the big majority of the fish hit the

45:53

banks that's going to leave less fish to fish for you know sure but i i'll be

46:00

okay with that though i wouldn't mind a bank tournament i feel like we need

46:02

one of those yeah you feel comfortable in a bank tournament i mean For me,

46:09

I'm all right with it. I'm just happy to be out fishing.

46:12

Just for Bassmaster and everything, I would not have a classic...

46:18

Be a bank term yeah yeah well we'll

46:21

see what we'll see what the weather brings maybe maybe it'll happen i

46:24

suspect that there's still gonna be plenty of fish offshore

46:27

for you guys i'll be doing my thing regardless

46:30

but whether it's good or bad yeah tyler

46:33

we got a couple questions on our message board i'm gonna

46:37

throw a couple of them at you chuck fish wants

46:40

to know when you're up north fishing for smallies are

46:43

there are there anything anything that you do differently on

46:46

your your jigs like possibly the trd type of deal

46:49

on the back it depends on the small mouth because like

46:52

the main small i'll just throw a big jig at just to

46:55

get the biggest like they'll group up and i'll usually get the biggest

46:57

one out of the group on that but then like st lawrence apparently they don't

47:01

bite that i figured that out last year so i'm gonna have to change it up gotcha

47:06

and and then dave stottlemeyer wants to know what pound test line are you throwing

47:11

on your jigs i uh so i'll I'll usually do 22 pound tattoo.

47:16

Oh, sometimes you are not taking it easy on these fish. I want them in the boat.

47:23

I don't want to play with them. Well, you have that one that played with you into your motor there.

47:29

That was, yeah, that was not good. Let's hear it. Come on.

47:35

I was just going, I was actually like on the bank kind of, and I saw a fish and I flipped to it.

47:40

It eats it. Like this is when I was figuring out the brown jay bite,

47:43

like throughout the tournament and i swing and

47:46

i can tell it's like a six or seven pounder and for

47:49

some reason this fish was fighting like it

47:52

was 12 pounds like it was digging and jumping

47:55

and running all over and like i thought like so we had three people in the boat

48:00

and a camera bag with like all like a camera and all kinds of stuff so it wasn't

48:04

exactly the easiest thing to run around the boat and i'm like if i stay like

48:08

passenger side here like he should just turn when he gets down by the power pole and then come to me.

48:13

He turned, but he turned into the motor.

48:17

So I had to like jump over a camera bag and like be nimble for once and then

48:21

try to get it out of there. Meanwhile, I thought it was barely hooked at the time because I saw a lot of

48:26

jig in the corner of its mouth. And I was like, this thing is coming off for sure.

48:30

Then got around and I had a few frays in my line. So I was like,

48:33

that was scary, but I ended up catching it.

48:36

Wow. That's awesome. What a, what a cool story. Helped you get a,

48:40

helped you get one of those century belts. Yes.

48:43

That's pretty cool. That's all I wanted. I was like, I hope I get a shot at

48:47

getting one. Cause I knew getting in top 10 after day three is going to be hard.

48:51

Right. There were a lot of people that had shots. I didn't even make it there.

48:55

Yep. Yeah. Yeah, that was, I don't know if there was ever another tournament

49:00

where the, everybody in the top 10 made it and got a century belt.

49:04

I think Falcon would have probably been the closest one, but I'm not sure.

49:08

Yeah. I've never seen anything like it. I caught 30 on the first day and I had

49:12

a three pounder, but I decided to leave my area and maybe try to get a big one.

49:15

But 30, I thought I'd be like top 10, at least like not super far out of it.

49:20

And then I was in like 14th and didn't even get a camera.

49:27

30 pounds yeah we got got to step it up tomorrow

49:30

right yeah i only got i only got 30 today you

49:33

got like a five like of other days i'm like

49:36

well i got a five pounder as a small one how do i call

49:39

a five pounder even on this

49:42

place man that's uh that i i wouldn't

49:45

be surprised if everybody that fishes is on their way to fork right now you

49:49

know i agree i would not be surprised either there man that that place is is

49:55

truly amazing you talked about you you were gonna say you you do change your

49:59

line diameter when when when do you make the adjustment to lighter or heavier.

50:06

Like I'll honestly usually change line instead of jig weight just to get a faster

50:10

fall rate or a slower fall rate, depending on what I'm doing to try to get cut through the water.

50:15

Or if I want to bow in it, is it, is it all fluorocarbon you're using? Yeah, it is.

50:22

I'll go up to 25 sometimes, especially if I'm fishing like Marina docks and things.

50:27

Slow it down. Yes. Hopefully like be able to skip it still slow it down.

50:33

And then it also helps that if you're like fishing around metal or something you might

50:36

get a chance i give a fish out yeah well yeah

50:39

like fishing around uh outboard motors yeah what's

50:43

up yeah that yeah that's

50:47

all of it yeah zebras up north yeah well

50:51

that was what was your what was your weight because you were you have one of

50:55

the i mean i think everybody in the top of that tournament has like an all-time

50:59

one of the all-time heaviest weights what was your your total ah i don't know

51:04

the exact i know it was like i think it was 124 pounds and nine ounces.

51:13

That's a lot that is that is an absolute

51:16

line i think i think trey trey is like

51:19

i don't know third fourth or fifth on

51:21

the all-time list and you're

51:25

probably right there in the top 10 or 15 for sure in

51:29

your first first year out man that's awesome man that's a tournament your

51:33

second tournament oh my gosh now you've

51:35

got to get that big classic trophy on your shelf yeah you know i'm gonna have

51:42

to get a new shelf things no kidding no kidding well um i know not that many

51:48

people have done that i know mike has won the classic of course and brian kirchall

51:53

from Connecticut has won the classic,

51:56

you know, so there's a new Englander.

51:58

I think if, you know, when you get the big trophy in a few weeks,

52:03

I think you'll, you'll be one of two.

52:05

I can't, I can't think of another new Englander that has one.

52:09

I don't know. I'd like to be the next, but it's fishing. You never know.

52:13

Well, you do never know, but you seem to have a knack for it.

52:17

And I, like I said, I love, I love the attitude and you know,

52:21

that's going to carry a long way. You're having fun doing it.

52:24

Sorry about the shoe thing. We can write a letter to bass. I don't know if it'll help or not,

52:31

but sometimes letters from the Dean go a long way.

52:34

We'll see if we can get you an exemption, get you a hall pass or something.

52:40

Well, I like it, man.

52:43

And I appreciate you hanging out with us again, man.

52:46

I, I hope we get to talk to you again real soon, man.

52:49

Maybe after the classic, we'll have you back on and, and have fun talking about how you pulled it off.

52:56

Hopefully i'd love to be here for that yeah that

53:00

would be awesome well we're gonna have fun watching you and then thanks

53:03

again thanks for sharing all that that insight man it's

53:06

really helpful to everybody watching and we'll be rooting for you in a couple

53:10

weeks at the classic it will be there with bash university at the booth at the

53:14

at the expo but uh hopefully we won't see you there hopefully i want everyone

53:19

but i really don't then yeah yeah we want we We want to see you coming across

53:24

the stage with the big trophy. So, so good luck to you. Good luck to you, my friend. And we'll,

53:29

uh, we'll catch up with you soon. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Tyler Williams, everybody. What a,

53:35

what a, what a great attitude, man.

53:38

I just, I, I love the ease with which he goes about. It just makes it sound so easy.

53:44

Yep. Just going fishing, throwing a jig, just going to the bank and throwing

53:47

a free later on a chatter rain, catching seven pounders.

53:50

Yeah. That's it. it me and tyler could be best friends

53:53

man just throw jigs all the time just throw jigs that's right

53:56

just throw jigs all the time i feel like i would want to be barefoot too yeah

54:00

i was wishing it it's it it's very it was very comfortable watching tyler and

54:06

kyle at the weigh-in like kyle's running around he on the final day he took

54:11

some random guy's slides forgot him and.

54:17

So he was wearing other people's shoes i don't

54:20

know tyler had his slides on hand but that was funny yeah kyle thank you our

54:26

boy kyle patrick with another with another strong finish an amazing finish and

54:33

he was my pick at fork in fantasy fishing again by the way as well as just Us too.

54:38

Yeah. We had, we had Kyle on the show and you guys watched it last week.

54:42

He's talking a little bit about, uh, the fishing conditions and it changed my

54:47

picks to be honest with you. And we got a little insight about what was happening at, at fork and, uh,

54:53

and pick some good picks to totally dominate the bash university.

54:57

I wouldn't say totally dominate. I wouldn't go that far, but you did come out

55:02

on top long season ahead. Pete, come on. I'm in last.

55:06

You were doing good. Then you were ahead of Riz there for a little while. Josh.

55:11

I know I was very excited about it. And then all of a sudden some random guy just catches a fish.

55:17

And you had a, you had a good couple of good picks.

55:21

Who who were the ones that uh you had

55:24

your bucket five guy who was that yeah oh who

55:29

did i have this is the least in the fantasy fishing cute

55:32

i had cooper galant that's the

55:35

one that was that that was a great

55:38

pick and he wound up doing extremely well yeah in

55:41

the event top 10 without even catching a

55:44

limit every day crazy two out of two

55:47

out of four days he didn't have a limit he top top 10 wow it's

55:50

crazy it's crazy how that can i love that ken

55:53

ken duke statistic that he gave to us one time that

55:56

most classics are are one and their

56:00

guys do not catch a limit every day the vast majority of classics are one without

56:05

a full limit crazy talk guys we're gonna take a quick commercial break we're

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gonna give away some stuff we'll be right back after this you're not gonna win

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no king how can i help you everything looks good i'm freaking starving man been spawning all morning.

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I'll take a Crush City Freeloader and Gizzard Shad. Anything to drink?

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Water. Go ahead, please. Fucking B-O-T. We're gonna have what he's had.

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that's insane two weeks it it's

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gonna be here before we know it looking forward to

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getting down there we've already we've rolled are we did we roll

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wait to see it it's It's going to be a good one. And you will win some Cortland braided line, hummingbird hat,

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Like and share winner. I don't know if we can do that because Facebook is partially down.

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We have some shum shares that are popping up. It's not showing on the screen

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good oh man brett ripped that one off really

1:01:02

quick come on that was lightning brett lightning in a bottle new balance shout

1:01:09

out brett he is the grand prize winner new balance slides going on tyler's feet

1:01:16

that's right i so they i guess they have a couple plants in the main that's

1:01:20

pretty interesting you know that, that's so fascinating to listen to Tyler speak about his style and technique

1:01:29

with ease, with the ease with which he's able to just show up.

1:01:34

It seemed like, I mean, if I had to sum up this interview.

1:01:38

Drive around, find a rock pile, a couple of tires, and a tree laying down,

1:01:43

and then you throw a jig at it and catch 125 pounds.

1:01:48

Yeah. That's all you got to do. That's it. I think add into it like practice

1:01:52

for a week and just idle around the whole lake.

1:01:55

And then when the tournament starts, run every single thing that you've marked,

1:02:00

throw that jig at them, and 22-pound test.

1:02:03

Yep. Get them caught up in the motor, boat flipping them, Tyler Williams.

1:02:08

Tyler Rookie, century belt. He reminds me, he's got a Jordan Lee-esque vibe about him. You know,

1:02:14

like Jordan Lee is unflappable.

1:02:17

Like, nothing bugs him. And he just. He's thinking about food when he's supposed to be practicing. I know.

1:02:25

Tyler has that same, like, you know, ah, man, fishing.

1:02:28

You just, you know, let's go over here and throw at this rock pile.

1:02:32

Maybe there'll be a fish there. And there is. I think he's like John Cox.

1:02:36

It's just. Yeah. Same. just laughing smiling

1:02:39

they're in that same category yeah that

1:02:42

personality can succeed because you think about the

1:02:45

mental side of the sport and it sinks a

1:02:48

lot of guys you're out there for eight to ten hours and

1:02:51

there's you know you can apply a lot of pressure to

1:02:54

yourself and you know the fish aren't biting

1:02:57

oh crap what do i do i've got five thousand

1:03:00

dollar entry fee on the the line you know what i mean you

1:03:03

can start really building this pressure these guys

1:03:06

have the uncanny ability to just have fun

1:03:09

and fish no matter what is raining down

1:03:12

upon them you know yeah that's a gift that

1:03:16

right there's a superpower dude that is

1:03:19

something and he's got it so new

1:03:22

balance what was the question the the it was what was the sneaker company that

1:03:27

tyler said he would would like to be sponsored by okay you i thought that on

1:03:33

the fly i thought it was a good one but i could see everybody i could see ty

1:03:37

rocking some and one slides yeah yeah just like you and your and one shorts dripping.

1:03:45

Don't take advice on sandals from rich though because his are always stinky,

1:03:53

that's the way man sandals are supposed to be now i gotta figure i gotta figure

1:03:58

it out now joss i got a system i keep like four different pairs in rotation

1:04:01

okay all summer long nothing would ever smell as bad as when we were putting

1:04:06

the flooring down i'm like what is that smell Well,

1:04:09

we were in Texas in June and I'd been, I'd been living, you know,

1:04:15

out of my truck for three weeks. That's all I was wearing.

1:04:20

Michelle from American bait works had to, you know, make a rescue mission to

1:04:25

Walmart to keep our team alive. So my sandals wouldn't kill everybody. Thankful for Michelle.

1:04:30

Did you get like Lysol spray? No, she went to. She got new slides. They were that bad.

1:04:36

Yeah we put him in a corner and said stay there

1:04:39

they were bad they were they they were bad and it's

1:04:43

okay in my defense and it leading up to that event i i fished the bfl on the

1:04:49

bay left straight from the bfl drove to alabama then drove to georgia and then

1:04:54

drove to june and those flip flops never left my feet and it was in the middle

1:05:00

of the summer and that's your defense. I'm rolling with it I love it We worked too many days together It was bad Too funny,

1:05:16

Good stuff We have a like and share winner Eddie Griffith Eddie Griffith Eddie

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Thank you for liking and sharing Whatever happened on Facebook Seems to have

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run its course Come on Mark Zuckerberg I almost said Wahlberg Mark Zuckerberg Get it together

1:05:32

He seems to have fixed something. Yeah.

1:05:34

But a shout out to Sean Boyle. And who else did we see in Texas? We saw Sean.

1:05:41

We saw Dan Allen. We saw Tom Lang from TFSC.

1:05:47

Shout out to those guys who stopped by saying, what's up?

1:05:50

Yeah. And there's definitely more, too, if we missed you. We appreciate you. Yep.

1:05:56

All right, let's do sub of the week. Sub of the week of the year. Who could that be?

1:06:03

It goes to these crawfish are the sub of the week.

1:06:10

What did you call them? Mud bugs. Mud bugs.

1:06:14

That was 10 pounds there. And so I got to say, we have dialed in our crawfish

1:06:21

eating techniques because we ripped through 10 pounds on the final day.

1:06:25

And like it didn't take long i mean that

1:06:28

was definitely our most efficient yeah crawfish

1:06:31

derby eating right there that was yeah we

1:06:34

just just went for it there i think i

1:06:37

personally i think i would rather deal with like those

1:06:40

flip-flops than than now watching the

1:06:43

crawfish butchering now it goes on you know

1:06:47

with the yellow running down the arms and

1:06:50

that's what it's all all about oh man you know what i should have done

1:06:53

we should have risked we should have put on the actually never well we

1:06:57

should have brought up the video of all the ants that when i stepped

1:06:59

in the ant but i think there were some cuss

1:07:02

words in there oh man you stepped in an ant oh

1:07:05

young beetle had a tough tough run on his shoes for

1:07:08

what was it at at toledo you stepped in

1:07:11

a hole and your feet and you soaked your foot yeah and

1:07:14

then at fork he stood in an ant bed had fishing until there

1:07:17

was thousands of ants crawling all over them did you

1:07:21

jump in the water no i just took them off and yeah

1:07:24

i'm standing there fishing and i didn't feel

1:07:27

them or nothing i'm next to riz and then luke's camera guy luke

1:07:30

palmer's camera guy aaron and aaron went yo and

1:07:33

rich looked at me and i looked down i

1:07:36

was like oh my god they're just crawling up my sweatpants

1:07:39

all over my shoes did they bite you no nope i

1:07:43

was wearing pants and i just took my shoes off left.

1:07:46

Them on the dock and then just i want

1:07:49

to see i want to see the picture man i want to see the video no you are the

1:07:52

sub of the week jh i want to there we go there it is look at that mega i think

1:07:58

the first one i caught was bigger but what do you think that weight i don't

1:08:02

know is that the first is that the second one that's the second one the first

1:08:06

one was a little bigger and it was definitely. Pushing seven might have been in the mid sevens

1:08:12

range the first one i think was was was

1:08:15

probably seven that one there was probably maybe

1:08:18

six oh that was all of six yeah they

1:08:22

were both they were they were both big but you could put your whole hand in

1:08:24

the mouth like that's all the first one that i caught

1:08:27

like and i'm i am i'm

1:08:30

no well we both are notorious for under like we were the opposite of ike like

1:08:36

ike big eyes him we small i am when we when we had almost 25 we thought we had

1:08:41

21 like this fall and so who knows it was big though they were they were both

1:08:47

I can just tell you the first one I call it. It just holding it, it just felt different, you know, like, yeah,

1:08:53

you're like, dang, this thing. Yeah. He actually, I was taking pictures and he had to put his arm down cause

1:08:58

his arm was getting tired. So that's how, you know, it's big.

1:09:01

Good one. The second one, it, it, it wasn't, I mean, it was big,

1:09:05

but it wasn't that different, that different big, you know, but what was your,

1:09:09

what is your personal best seven, seven pounds, like right on the dot.

1:09:13

So that could have passed your, I think the first one probably was bigger than,

1:09:17

yeah, the first one's probably, probably i mean i mean

1:09:20

i've called a couple a couple that i haven't weighed

1:09:23

like when i was younger that were in

1:09:26

that six and a half to seven pound range but the i guess my pb is one i weighed

1:09:31

in a tournament that was seven pounds like on the dot but i think that first

1:09:36

one i call is probably my new pb nice seven pounds in a tournament yeah i remember

1:09:42

that one yeah i know you do, that's awesome that's because he won that tournament that's why he's saying that.

1:09:50

You you caught a seven pounder and didn't win no i didn't no wow i caught i

1:09:55

caught uh in that tournament i don't know that was a late summer tournament

1:09:58

i call like a four and a half and and that seven in like the last 30 minutes

1:10:02

and i think we don't we still only had like 18 19 pounds,

1:10:08

but yep and that pb came on a

1:10:11

chatterbait too oh so i think you might

1:10:14

need to put that jig down pick up that chatter big we'll

1:10:17

see tyler williams says differently the uh it's working

1:10:20

pretty good for ty you know you know who who teaches about

1:10:24

forward-facing sonar and we're thrilled to

1:10:27

have with us is uh ben millican who has been released last week if you guys

1:10:33

have not seen it the stuff we talked about today just scratches the surface

1:10:38

seriously about how to use that technology if If you're wanting to get involved and try it,

1:10:44

this is what you got to go check it out. Ben breaks it down incredibly well.

1:10:49

If you're advanced and you want to get to the level where you can be competitive

1:10:54

in tournaments, it's all there too.

1:10:57

Ben really did an amazing job at Bash University this year when we were in Texas.

1:11:02

The compliments keep coming in. No matter how you feel about it, go check it out.

1:11:07

It's going to help you use this technology better.

1:11:11

And I'm a little bummed out about some of that negative stuff that we talked

1:11:14

about at the beginning part of the show. These kids are having tremendous success. They're operating within the rules

1:11:19

and the context of the tournaments, and they're kicking ass.

1:11:22

And you've got to tip your hat to them. Say, hey, I had it too.

1:11:28

You figured out how to do it better than me. Good for you. You're a champ.

1:11:33

I'm going to improve my skill set and figure it out. And like I said,

1:11:38

I whether you're pro or con, I have no problem with people voicing their opinions

1:11:45

one way or another against it.

1:11:48

It's when it starts to become like an individual is being attacked is where it draws the line.

1:11:56

And especially when it's all running through social media and.

1:12:01

You know, there's bots out there doing it.

1:12:03

There's fraud accounts fraud accounts doing

1:12:07

it i hope you know who i'm talking to and it's

1:12:11

just weak man it's like you know everybody's

1:12:15

got you know if you think trey's not reading the comments and seeing

1:12:18

some of that crap you're wrong you're wrong and everybody's

1:12:22

got feelings and and it's it it ain't freaking

1:12:24

right so no it's it's such a

1:12:27

shame man because like whatever you can look at trey and

1:12:30

say he's young you know he's got an expensive rig and stuff like

1:12:33

that well he was fortunate to have that and he gives that

1:12:36

you know but he still put the work he still put the work in

1:12:38

and he you know is thankful for what he has obviously he

1:12:42

says that every time he's on stage he thanks his parents for helping

1:12:45

him and you know if you

1:12:48

were 18 19 and you had that opportunity to be

1:12:50

able to do what he did and put in the work like

1:12:53

he did and then you're just still gonna hate on on them for

1:12:56

using live sonar when everybody in the elite field

1:12:59

can use the live sonar and put in the time using live

1:13:02

sonar i doesn't make sense messed

1:13:05

up in my opinion one of the things that is not accounted for is when things

1:13:10

are you can you can be complacent and not be a aggressive competitor when you

1:13:18

have things thrown at you like like i talk about it with guys with a lot lot

1:13:23

of talent when they're young. Like in, in baseball or football, those guys tend to not work as hard because they don't have,

1:13:31

they don't have to work as hard when they're young and they wind up getting

1:13:35

passed by all the guys that learn that work ethic. And there's no way around it, man.

1:13:39

You are not, you're not getting where you're at. Time on the water. I'll still be King.

1:13:43

I don't always be it. I don't care, man. That work effort ethic, man.

1:13:48

And that, that competitiveness is what gets you ahead. Anyway, congratulations.

1:13:52

Big win. Go check out Ben Milliken stuff.

1:13:55

What are we releasing this week? This week we're releasing Brian Latimer is

1:13:59

our class and seminar be lat. And the title of this one and stick with me now it's called you're trying too hard.

1:14:06

Kind of funny with everything we were just talking about, but that's that it's Tyler Williams.

1:14:10

Yeah. Yeah. So, so the, the, the theory on the seminar is learning to be the

1:14:16

best angler within yourself. You can be right. Like, you know, knowing, knowing what your strengths and weaknesses

1:14:22

are, how to identify them and how to attack a day on the water or a tournament

1:14:27

day based on that theory that Brian has.

1:14:30

And it's really good when it's an insightful one, it'll, it'll,

1:14:33

it'll force you to think. And that's one of the biggest things in fishing is you got to

1:14:38

be able to attack the fish mentally as

1:14:41

well as you know just knowing you know where

1:14:44

to be what to throw you got to have the right mindset and then

1:14:47

i believe this week in the on

1:14:51

the water category we have the dean breaking down the who the dean that's that's

1:14:59

the man breaking down the two most efficient rods that you could use if you're

1:15:05

if you're getting into fishing we're throwing we're throwing some some some

1:15:08

basic style content out there, you know, for the guys that are just, you know, getting started in this thing.

1:15:12

And you want to learn how to, how to set yourself up to have a successful day

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on the water or fishing from the bank, whichever you so choose.

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And this week we got Pete with the two rods that you need and why they are good

1:15:25

choices to, to get you started in the, this game of bass fishing.

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So that's, we get a lot of requests for our, our basic content.

1:15:34

And we love to keep bringing that to you guys because everybody's got to start

1:15:38

at the beginning and build a

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good base, build a good foundation on everything to be able to, you know.

1:15:46

Get confident and be able to consistently catch fish throughout the country. So our basics are there.

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A lot of compliments on our kayak content, which we will continue to deliver to you guys.

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If you're a traditionalist and you're not even, you're not interested in this new sonar fat.

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We, we bash university has got a tremendous amount of traditional content about how to,

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how like J H uses a chatterbait and wax giants from the bank and all the types

1:16:12

of content about the fish movements, seasonal patterns and all the various strategies

1:16:16

you you you want to learn to go out and have

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fun and consistently catch fish yeah so we're we

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got you covered whether you're a beginner whether you're you're.

1:16:25

Traditionalist whether you're an advanced angler wanting

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to excel with the new technology we've got

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it all at bass university at your fingertips and an

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amazing deal going on right now we have our classic special

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going on that is going going to carry us right through

1:16:40

the bass master classic where you we hope to see you

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guys down there you can come by and see us at the booth and see

1:16:46

if rich can figure out who his fantasy picks will be or are

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at the time yeah but we're gonna have fun

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down there doing that we look forward to seeing all you guys we thank you

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for watching today is there anything that i missed

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no i don't think so i one more thing i

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gotta say this kind of flew under the radar when

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we were talking to tyler he's not gonna go home

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until till after the saint lawrence river he's going

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to be on the road fishing dialing in

1:17:14

his skills and jt all these young guys are doing it and some people are acting

1:17:21

like they're just throwing the boat in the water and using this technology and

1:17:24

catching fish when they're literally away from their families for months at

1:17:28

a time grinding trying to get stuff dialed in yeah.

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I think we can end on that. Sorry. No, that's, that's a powerful thing.

1:17:36

That's a powerful message. My, my thought was Justin to, to add on that.

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Like if I, if I was a guy and this is, this has happened a lot of times, get my teeth kicked in.

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The best thing you could do is to stay.

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Yeah. Yeah. Stay after that tournament and continue to work and continue to drive.

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And, and I'll be honest with you, the guys, I know the competitors that are on,

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on every one of these tournament trails are killers and they

1:18:03

are not going to stand they're not going to stand by and let

1:18:06

this let their let themselves get beat

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right like that you know it's it's rolling up

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your sleeves and getting after it yep what do you got josh howie said something

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that i also wanted to bring up he said constantly great info on the bash you

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plus the benefits of the sponsors and i think what he means by that is our member

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benefits and how awesome they are with With AquaView being on there, I believe they're 30%.

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Missile Beats, 30%. Rapaleth, VIP.

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A lot of percent. How good that deal is because it's so good.

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Cash and Rods. I mean, head over. Check out our sponsors because they give our

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members such great discounts. Yes, yes. Go check all that stuff out. Thanks for being with us,

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guys. We'll see you all next week on another Bash University Live.