0:00

M. My

0:14

name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

0:17

of the bear Grease podcast called

0:19

the bear Grease Render, where we

0:21

render down, dive deeper,

0:23

and look behind the scenes of

0:26

the actual bear Grease podcast.

0:33

We're going weekly, guys, and I want

0:35

to explain this very clearly.

0:39

The bear Grease Podcast is a

0:41

documentary style podcast that we

0:43

release every other week. We are

0:45

now going to start releasing on

0:47

this same stream on the bear Grease

0:50

Podcast what we call the bear Grease

0:52

Render. So every other week you

0:54

will hear a conversation

0:57

between me and my buddies where we

0:59

do just what we said, render down, dive

1:01

deeper, and look behind the scenes

1:04

of the actual bear Grease

1:06

podcast. So you're gonna be hearing from

1:09

us weekly from now on.

1:24

It's spend years since I've worked on it. It has

1:26

gotten pretty bad. Do you have a decent outhhood?

1:29

Years ago I started to get it, like, I

1:31

started to get that that

1:33

that there's a certain characteristic

1:35

about it. But it was in my

1:37

truck. Okay,

1:41

I gotta get it, Brent. Let's hear your

1:43

best out

1:50

man, very nice. Hey,

1:53

this is the bear

1:56

Grease Render podcast.

1:59

Okay, this is the Beargrease

2:01

Surrender and the Bargrease Surrender.

2:03

If this is your first time listening to the podcast, the

2:05

Bargrease Podcast is

2:07

a documentary style podcast

2:10

where we explore all

2:12

kinds of stuff, all kind of

2:15

interesting stuff, and have these documentary

2:17

style podcasts. We do that. We release

2:19

those every other week, so by the time this

2:21

comes out, there's gonna be like six Bargrease

2:24

podcasts out. This is the Beargrease

2:26

Surrender Boys, and the Bargrease

2:28

Surrender is every other

2:30

week. So now the Bargrease

2:33

Podcast is weekly because every other week we're

2:35

gonna meet and have like

2:37

a informal conversation

2:41

that reflects and dissects.

2:43

Ah, that's good. We're gonna use that reflects

2:45

and dissects the

2:48

Beargrease documentary

2:50

style podcasts. Okay, we're bowling

2:52

a cabbage down. That's right, we're bowling

2:54

the cabbage down, chewing the tobacco

2:57

thin as they say. So before

2:59

we get started it here where we're talking about the

3:02

what the render is, I want to introduce

3:04

my guests. Okay, so we

3:06

are we are at the

3:09

the global headquarters of Bear

3:11

Hunting Magazine and Meat Eater South.

3:14

Okay, like that, and

3:17

uh I have. Really every

3:19

single one of you is like you

3:21

wouldn't be here if you weren't like super

3:24

important in my life. And

3:27

most of you, well, all of you have been

3:29

involved in some way in either

3:31

the Bargrease podcast or in one

3:34

of the guy's cases. Not the Barghreas

3:36

podcast, but my former Barony

3:39

Magazine podcast. I won't mention his name to

3:41

my direct left to

3:44

my to my left is my

3:46

dear friend Brent Reeves, who

3:49

could uh, Brent Reeves could

3:51

teach a doctoral level class.

3:54

I'm reading this, okay, Brent Reeves

3:56

could teach class

4:00

us. He wrote this, This is Brent spio.

4:02

No, this is my bio. And Brent Brent

4:04

Reeves could teach a doctoral level class

4:06

on folksy Southern Saints. And

4:09

ironically he has also seen

4:11

two Arkansas Mountain Lions. Brent

4:15

was also filming when in

4:17

sixteen the big color phase of Baring, Saskatchewan

4:20

that's hanging on the wall right over there, touched

4:22

my arrow and sent. You

4:24

know, Brent was the one like sitting

4:27

right behind me. So Brent,

4:30

good to have you here, good to be here. Man. To

4:32

Brent's left is Dr

4:34

Daniel Rupe, who, now that makes

4:36

two times I've called you doctor in your life,

4:39

and that'll be the last time I'm

4:41

gonna do it one time. So Dan

4:44

was on the acron podcast. Okay, Dan

4:47

is man. Dan's like, I'm

4:49

not even gonna get into really what he does, like

4:52

neither with Brent. This is just when I

4:54

thank you guys. This is what I think of. Dan

4:56

has never combed his hair and

4:59

has a aired like a viking, and

5:03

ironically he himself as

5:05

well, has seen in Arkansas Mountain Lion. I've

5:07

seen it, which we want to get to later.

5:10

All Right, I'm gonna

5:12

call that particular podcast

5:14

not a I'm gonna call it a docu drama,

5:18

stirring up controversy. Me, you and Gary gonna

5:20

get jackets made

5:23

believers Jack. Okay,

5:27

And interesting fact about Dan that you

5:29

guys may not have known. Dan Rupe

5:32

was the first guest on the Bare Hunting

5:35

Magazine podcast. Did you know that? I

5:37

didn't even know that I was there? You

5:39

were actually you didn't know we were recording

5:41

that in

5:43

British Columbia, Me, you and Devin Jewel.

5:46

That was the first one. Dan, It was a turning

5:48

point in my life. Yeah,

5:52

consciously apparently. Okay, So that's

5:54

Dan Rupe. To his left is

5:57

Dr Malacott Nichols. Now I call this

5:59

guy doctor or sometimes because he just

6:01

has the look. He

6:03

didn't get his off the internet. Okay,

6:08

now, Dr Maliki Nichols

6:11

here his credentials. He was

6:13

on the Burgar's podcast episode

6:15

number two, the Thing about al Hooters. He

6:18

was the guy that I interviewed about the

6:21

social science question of correlations

6:24

and how they can be connected or not. But

6:26

Dan, Dr Malachi Nichols is

6:28

a current Arkansas license holder

6:31

hunting license holder. He has a

6:33

yeah, show us you're hunting license and alikai there

6:37

it is. He's pulling it out of his wallet just to prove

6:39

it. Dr Maliki

6:41

Nichols is a one time He's

6:45

got He's also got an Arkansas concealed

6:47

care licenses. He's got a hard card and

6:51

the ducks down. Okay.

6:54

Dr Maliki Nichols is also a

6:56

one time coon hunter. One

6:58

time. That's the only

7:00

how you've ever been on. They've never got an invitation

7:03

back. No,

7:06

but here here's what I think of

7:08

when I think of Maliki. He is the only

7:10

person that has given me the

7:13

stiff arm on a legit outdoor

7:15

related partnership venture requests.

7:20

I mean, I mean,

7:23

Okay, Malachi and I we've

7:25

talked about this before publicly and we've worked

7:27

it out together privately, So there's no

7:29

this is not like an offense that I need

7:31

to like go to my brothers about.

7:34

No. No, No No, we've already done it. But it's just like

7:38

there's just things that you remember about people

7:40

that you never forget. No. Me and Malachi we've

7:42

fried fish a couple of times together for our wives

7:44

and families, and we just had a great time.

7:46

I was like, man, Malachi loves to fry fish.

7:49

And yeah, we talked about fishing a little bit here and

7:51

there, and then I was like, likes

7:53

to fry fish, likes to fish. He's

7:55

my friend. How about we going partners

7:57

on a boat? Malachi? Is

8:00

my question? Hard? No,

8:03

I mean just like he went from like twenty

8:05

five miles per hour to like seventy

8:08

interstate real quick. He

8:11

Yeah, it was like, I want to get fishing poles first,

8:15

you know, I want to take small steps. Do you

8:17

want to keep it at his house for your convenience?

8:20

So okay,

8:23

you're not the first one. And

8:26

then so to his left is

8:29

Josh Spillmaker Sands,

8:32

doctor Sands, doctor Spillmaker.

8:34

Okay, true story. I bet none

8:36

of you know this true story.

8:39

Ten years ago, Josh Spillmakers

8:42

mustache inspired me to

8:44

read a book on the Baring land Bridge.

8:46

This is not a joke. Ten

8:49

years ago, Josh Spillmakers mustache

8:52

inspired me to read a book on the Bearing

8:54

land Bridge, which got me interested

8:57

in early human history and anthropology.

9:00

And he is a legendary adult

9:03

onset fly fisherman. No,

9:06

let me tell you the story. One day, me and Josh

9:08

were standing there and I mean, you

9:10

gotta admit, the guy's got a great beard.

9:13

But the mustache, the way

9:15

that it was like it was connecting

9:17

to continents, that's

9:19

what That's what it felt like. I

9:22

said, Josh, you got an awesome mustache.

9:24

And I was like, that reminds me of the Burying land

9:27

Bridge. That night, I went

9:29

home on Amazon and ordered a book that's

9:31

right up there, um and it was all about

9:33

the Burying land. I read the book, was fascinated,

9:36

and I think about all the time, and now

9:39

I've got to I've tried to emulate your mustache.

9:42

So you're welcome, America.

9:45

You're welcome. Okay.

9:48

That's Josh and then our guest

9:50

of honor. He's

9:53

got the chair, My father,

9:56

Gary Nukem Man.

9:59

So, Dad, you've been on by

10:02

the time this comes out, you've been you will have been on the

10:04

Barriers podcast a couple of times. Okay,

10:07

So this is the way. This is what I think of

10:09

when I think of Gary Nuclem.

10:11

Once while in Vietnam.

10:13

This is a this war story, true

10:16

story. Once while in Vietnam, he reported

10:19

to his commanding officer wearing only

10:21

a bath towel after he

10:23

was summoned to report to the officer

10:25

while he was in the shower. Okay,

10:30

that's part one. We're gonna need a little bit of explanation.

10:33

Number two. Gary Nucom

10:35

is single handedly credited with

10:38

keeping the myth of the Black Panther alive

10:40

in North Arolicia.

10:46

That give us just a short version

10:49

of the when you report it to your officer

10:51

and your bath Now, well

10:53

it's you know Vietnam, you're always

10:55

looking for something to keep your saying it. This

10:59

little clerk me in and he was like,

11:01

this is serious. You gotta go see the captive.

11:03

So I just walked out neckd with my towel

11:05

over. He didn't even

11:08

started hitting towards his

11:10

office. Of course, by the time I got there,

11:12

I covered myself up. But anyway,

11:17

what you were trying to say was bro let

11:20

me at least get out of the shower. Is it that important?

11:23

That was kind of that was kind of like the

11:25

it had to be so important, it didn't matter

11:28

I was going so

11:30

anyway, it was kind of funny. Great,

11:34

great, Well, okay, now that we've done

11:36

proper introductions, let's get down to business

11:39

here boys. Um So, the

11:41

Bargrease Render is the

11:43

short version of the

11:46

Bargeras podcast where we talked about it. Man,

11:48

I've had the time of my life building

11:51

the When this comes out, there will be six

11:54

Burgeras podcasts out, and

11:56

the podcast is formatted in such

11:59

a way that it's

12:01

it's it's hard for me

12:03

to like, I when I get done making

12:06

one of these, I want to call one of you guys and talk

12:08

about it, like and there. There's so

12:10

much more that can be said because we're trying

12:12

to make it an efficient listen and

12:14

so you know, it's fairly scripted, you

12:17

know, scripted in the sense that everything is

12:19

thought out, but it's also you know,

12:21

there are sections of of informal

12:25

interviews but for instance, you

12:27

you will hear interviews on the Burgaries podcast

12:29

with experts with whoever, like

12:31

Dan Rupe Uh that

12:34

we talked for probably an hour Dan

12:37

and I whittled it down to like seventeen

12:39

minutes easy.

12:44

A lot of fluff in it, but so like this

12:46

is gonna give kind of me an outlet to like say

12:48

some other stuff, to make corrections. There's

12:50

a couple of corrections. Man, when you're

12:52

spouting off this much information, boys, you

12:55

know sometimes you get it wrong. Tall tales,

12:57

tall tales. Um. But it

12:59

also is you guys a chance

13:01

to like talk to me

13:03

about any perceptions

13:06

that you have, anything

13:09

I could have done better, um.

13:12

And so I know all you guys have something

13:14

to say. We're at a little bit of a disadvantage

13:17

on the first Bargera Surrender because we've

13:20

already had six podcasts come out,

13:22

okay, and so as we get

13:24

on the weekly schedule, there's gonna be

13:26

like one podcast that's gonna come out,

13:28

and so it will be a little bit more focused.

13:31

But so so on this one, we're just gonna kind

13:33

of hit and miss over the

13:36

different six podcasts

13:38

that have come out. But what I

13:40

haven't had a chance to do on the

13:42

Bargrease podcast is talk about

13:45

the name beargrease. Do

13:47

do y' all know why it's bargrease? Do

13:50

y'all understand the metaphor? Is the marketing

13:52

strong enough that you understand the metaphor? This

13:54

is an open question. What

13:59

are you talking about of a podcast you

14:01

don't understand? Good?

14:03

Okay, so you don't understand, No, listen.

14:06

Beargrease is literally,

14:09

I'm holding a jar in my hand right now, is

14:11

literally the rendered

14:13

fat of a black bear. Okay, I

14:15

put on your deep philosophical

14:18

thinking caps. Okay. At

14:20

one time, bear grease was

14:23

a medium of currency,

14:25

and it was a staple of life on

14:28

the on the American frontier. Beargrease

14:30

stayed stayed good longer than

14:33

pork lard. So like if you were if

14:35

you homesteaded in Arkansas or Tennessee

14:37

or Kentucky or wherever, you

14:39

would render down this fat

14:42

and it would be extremely valuable to you. It

14:44

was a form of currency. Did you know that

14:47

an eel of bargrease, that is an

14:49

archaic unit of measure for a beargrease was

14:51

the tanned neck hide of a deer

14:54

sewn together. Beargrease

14:56

poured into it and then it was sealed up,

14:58

and an eel of grease was like a unit

15:01

of currency. It is just perchance,

15:03

boys, that we the US

15:06

dollar isn't nickname an

15:08

eel, okay,

15:11

like it, but it's nicknamed a buck because a buck

15:13

skin was worth about one U.

15:15

S. Dollar. Actually

15:18

I'm making that up. That bare eel

15:20

was almost almost the same thing. So

15:25

okay, philosophical thinking caps This

15:28

at one time was highly important and everyone

15:30

would have known about it. And this has been like normal,

15:32

like you'd have had it in your house, you'd had

15:34

it in your house, you'd had any more. About Old

15:37

Trough, Arkansas,

15:39

Well, that's that is a that

15:42

is a city artifact of

15:44

what I'm talking about, because it was a city

15:47

in northern Arkansas that had a processing

15:49

plant for bar oil and they

15:51

ship that bar oil down the white That's

15:55

right. Yeah,

15:58

you know, the first time I du rectly

16:00

met you was through a jar

16:02

bear grouse. Your daughter came

16:05

into my class. I was teaching teaching

16:07

school and your daughter came into my class.

16:09

She had a she had a ten fox

16:11

hide on her left shoulder. This

16:14

is this story, true

16:16

story. Ten fox hide on her

16:19

left shoulder and a jar bear

16:21

grease, and she just walked into my classroom

16:23

like nothing's happening. It

16:26

was just a regular was

16:29

Tuesday. She walked in, you

16:31

know, with this with this fox hide

16:33

in this jar bear grouse and she said,

16:36

my dad sent this with me. I'm gonna put

16:38

it on the window, supposed to tell us what

16:40

the weather is gonna be like. So I want to know if it's

16:42

gonna rain before we go outside. And

16:44

she sat down and it's like, I

16:48

have been in Arkansas like a year, and

16:51

I'm thinking, like where am

16:53

I at right now? And that is the

16:55

first time I indirectly met

16:57

Clay nucle I've never met him before and

17:00

met him through his daughter with a

17:02

jar bearer Jar Bargers. That's

17:05

awesome. So I

17:07

had forgotten about that,

17:09

and that's

17:14

why this jar is where it is. This is my

17:16

this is my weather forecasting jar Burgers.

17:18

You see this chart right here. I'll

17:21

send you boys home with one of these one day. This

17:23

is a chart. This is a chart

17:26

made by by Gordon Websat

17:28

out in New Mexico that I

17:33

you can read the weather. It's

17:36

man that bargaries changes all the time.

17:38

It really does, every single day. It looks different

17:41

um okay. So now

17:43

we've all come together to this point of that Burgaries

17:46

was like this valuable thing, and then now

17:48

it's not. It's erased from

17:50

people's memory. I mean like

17:52

erased, like you go and like pull

17:55

the three thirty million people

17:57

in the United States, I mean like point

17:59

oh oh oh one percent

18:01

would like kind of know what it was. The

18:04

Beargrease podcast is we are

18:06

exploring things that are forgotten but

18:08

relevant, searching for insight

18:11

in unlikely places,

18:13

like telling the weather off of jar burgheris you know

18:15

where that came from? Alachi was the Native

18:17

Americans Channel seven? Then is

18:20

that where you get your weather? No,

18:23

Native Americans in the southwestern

18:25

US. They would take the

18:28

dried and scraped bladder

18:30

of a deer pour bearg grease

18:33

in it, and when it dried it became almost translucent

18:36

and you could see through it like a glass jar, and

18:38

they forecasted the weather based

18:41

upon the bear grease in that jar. Thanks

18:43

forgotten but relative insight and unlikely

18:45

places. And our

18:47

tagline is we're going to tell the story of

18:50

Americans who lived their lives close to the land.

18:52

And so bear grease is a metaphor something that's

18:55

forgotten and man, bear

18:57

grease. We use it for all kinds

18:59

of stuff. We use it for frying, We use

19:01

it for pastries, We use it for oil

19:04

and conditioning leather. We use

19:06

it for rubbing down gun barrels.

19:09

Um. We use it for forecasting

19:11

the weather. You see this bar of soap right here.

19:14

You can go to the meteor dot com and see me

19:17

and Colby Moorehead making

19:19

this bar of soap out of bear fat.

19:21

It's animal tallow, lie fat soap.

19:24

Incredible stuff. If I had more

19:26

of it, I'd give you all some, but I don't, and

19:28

I gotta stay clean somehow. But

19:31

that I'm telling you that that lie

19:33

soap is incredible. Is it in your shower?

19:35

You bet you it is. I've actually

19:38

got something. Yeah,

19:40

I'd like to have some and not like to have

19:42

something for my time. You

19:44

want to bring something, Man, we're not getting

19:46

paid. This

19:49

is actually a multi level marketing. Well

19:52

we're soap

19:55

so guys, That's why I brought you here. You can

19:57

get on he can get it on the ground.

20:01

Yeah, I actually have some of it in my shower.

20:03

Colby give me. Oh yeah, it's great.

20:05

It's great. So it's great, so good for your skin, good

20:07

so so you see the metaphor

20:10

so like we're we're like basically

20:13

that gives us this broad window to explore

20:16

all these different things, and for instance, the inside

20:19

like inside the Mountain Lion podcast like that

20:21

was like a like the first podcast was called The Myth

20:23

of the Southern Mountain Lion, which was a really

20:25

fun podcast where I interviewed people

20:28

A few people that have seen mountain lions

20:30

claim to have anyway, yeah,

20:34

yeah, And and I interviewed

20:36

a biologist and they interviewed

20:38

a psychologist about how people cognitive

20:41

bias, like if you're it's a wonder I've not seen

20:43

a mountain lion because my dad believes

20:46

in black panthers? Do you see what

20:48

the cognitive bias means? If your dad told

20:50

you there was something there, even

20:52

if there was a

20:54

chance to defend yourself, dad, do you believe

20:56

in oxygen? I do? Oh?

20:59

Can you see it? No, I

21:01

saw a mountain lion, Garrett, you see I saw

21:03

a black panther pants.

21:06

Did you question after you listen to that podcast?

21:08

Did you question yourself? I questioned my friends,

21:12

a circle of friends and the people that I called

21:16

your relationships, the dynamic of that

21:18

relationship, I thought who was a psychologist.

21:21

What's he going to cognitive? What was

21:23

cognitive? And the problem the problem is

21:25

that no one ever told me there

21:27

wasn't mountain lions in Arkansas, and no

21:30

one ever told me there was, And

21:32

so you're saying you're totally unbiased and

21:34

the one you saw it was just like for real, yes,

21:37

are you convinced you saw it hundred

21:40

percent? What was it behind bars

21:42

or on a chain or outside

21:44

of a restaurants wearing a pink tutu?

21:47

No, I told you

21:49

in the podcast there It wasn't like I

21:51

was by myself and

21:54

my wife was with me. Well there

21:56

you go, Hey, you don't have to defend yourself.

21:58

I'm just kidding. The the point

22:00

is, well I don't believe you, but

22:03

but um, the insight

22:05

though, Like so I'm trying to describe like

22:08

the Burgers podcast, because somebody could be listening

22:10

to this and never even heard the Burgers play. The insight

22:12

came inside of like we explored

22:14

this thing, Like there's this artifact

22:17

and I like that word of from

22:19

when lions were actually here because indisputably,

22:22

there are a lot of people that claim that ce mountain

22:24

lions that didn't And I absolutely a d

22:27

percent believe every one of you. I said it on the

22:29

podcast too, I said, I punched somebody in the teeth

22:31

if they didn't believe you,

22:34

didn't anything, but bands

22:37

went on there. But the insight

22:40

came in just looking at how we

22:43

want to believe our brother Like

22:45

do you remember at the end, like I came to the conclusion

22:47

like and I didn't fabricate

22:49

that, like after I talked to all these people,

22:53

like it was like the

22:56

redeeming factor of it all was

22:58

that, like the way we survived,

23:00

and it's natural for me, I trust

23:02

Brent Reeves if he tells me sees a mountain

23:04

line, then by GOLLI he saw a mountain

23:07

line. And I'm just giving you guys a

23:09

hard time. So basically what you're saying is

23:11

that you can love your friends even when they're delusions.

23:15

Okay. The deeper thought is

23:17

is that what has made human

23:19

successful in the earth is that we

23:22

want to trust our brother are

23:25

we It's like a mechanism like because

23:27

if I can't, it's just it's a

23:29

mechanism of trust, like I

23:32

want to believe you, and and then

23:34

I think that has produced a lot of false mountain

23:36

Lion you know, sightings from people

23:38

who maybe had some you know, thought

23:40

they saw vaccinated, like being

23:43

vaccinated against line. Very

23:46

good. Yeah, now,

23:48

Dad, okay, I've

23:51

I've credited you with keeping the myth

23:53

of the black panther alive. How do you feel about that?

23:55

I think it's wonderful. I mean, it's nice that

23:58

you put up the truth. I

24:00

mean, it's it's against science.

24:02

But I mean, who are you gonna trust you because

24:05

you saw one? Well, I

24:07

mean, I don't think that's any of your ba You

24:14

know, when I go down to Aunt Olie's,

24:17

she lives in a dog trot house with

24:20

trees over the road, and at night we're

24:22

we're awakened by a screaming

24:25

black panther. I mean, who

24:27

are you gonna trust? And

24:30

Ali tell us what a dog trot house is.

24:32

It's got a porch right down the middle, one

24:35

side of your kitchen, living room, one side of your

24:37

bedroom, big

24:39

trees out. I mean, it was an amazing place.

24:41

It's an architectural style that they used to

24:43

use before air conditioning. Yeah,

24:45

so you would cook on one side and then

24:48

you would sleep on one side. And the little

24:50

community was almost as neat as the

24:52

house. It was Buck snort, Yeah,

24:57

yeah, Buck snort, Yeah,

25:01

a lot of panthers. There a panther

25:10

country, panther country.

25:12

Hey listen though, no, I on

25:16

like they're a legitimate mountain

25:18

line. I mean the biologists even confirmed

25:21

it. I mean, like, if you listen to the whole even

25:23

talking about I'm just giving you a hard time.

25:25

The man confirmed it. Yeah, there are mountains

25:27

here. Now black panthers. Now,

25:29

that is where I draw the hard line. And neither

25:32

of these guys have claimed have seen a black panther.

25:34

Dad's just just heard him and

25:37

you just could tell by the sound that it was black. Absolutely

25:41

so. The but

25:44

you would be shocked shocked

25:46

at the number of grown men who,

25:49

after listening to that whole podcast and

25:51

listening to Myron means saying science,

25:54

from the position of science, there

25:56

has never been documented a melanistic

26:00

mountain lion ever by science.

26:02

Did you get some documentation in

26:05

the mail? In the email, you wouldn't believe the

26:07

grown men that messaged

26:09

me, some of them friends of mine, and

26:12

they're like Clay, I listened

26:14

to podcast. It was awesome. I believe every

26:16

word of it. I've

26:19

seen a black panther though, I

26:22

mean, like it's like rocks

26:24

people's boats. Man, I mean like I

26:26

think like splits families. Like

26:30

this idea of black panther iron

26:32

means got off of that interview. Was he like, there's

26:34

really black panthers. It

26:37

was like they reached over, turned the taper

26:39

quarter off of

26:42

it was like I killed one last year.

26:45

No no I. I had two different people

26:47

claimed that their father's well.

26:50

One of them claimed that their father had shot at a black

26:52

panther. One of them claimed that

26:54

their father killed a black panther, killed

26:57

it with a bow. This I'm telling you,

26:59

this guy's like I've know this guy,

27:02

and I'm like, send

27:04

me a picture, and if he's listening out, I hope he'll

27:06

send me a picture. I want to believe you. I want

27:08

to believe him. Um. I had a guy uh

27:11

called bring up a good point that there

27:13

is a there is a cat like critter down

27:15

in South Texas called a jagger undi, which

27:19

is a cat like critter that lives in

27:21

deep South Texas and they can be melanistic.

27:23

Okay, So there's so like, could a

27:25

jagger undi walk nine

27:28

miles to Arkansas or four five

27:31

montes? Possibly? I had another guy

27:33

say that he thinks black panther sidings

27:35

are big otters, river

27:38

otters, because a river otter is

27:40

black and you don't see him very much. And

27:42

if and they have big long tails, what

27:45

do you think of that? JAGGARUNDI there, all the guys are

27:47

like looking at their phones. Yeah, absolutely,

27:49

I don't know about that. I mean, think

27:51

about that at dark, Yeah,

27:54

I can see that if it's especially

27:56

dark dusk, just

27:59

like charcoal, it

28:01

looks like a mountain lion with a housecat's

28:04

head. Yeah.

28:06

I've never even heard of that until you just said it. See

28:09

if that's what Gary heard?

28:13

Does that look like what you heard?

28:17

That's not black? Well, but see

28:19

the sides

28:23

panther. But so

28:26

that could have been melanistic, Got you, got

28:28

you, got you so um.

28:31

But you know, the whole point of it was is

28:34

that jaguars and leopards can't

28:36

have been documented as melanistic. The

28:39

American mountain lion has never been documented

28:41

as melanistic, and so to see a black

28:43

panther would just be like, well they're

28:45

not here, so anyway, super

28:47

fun. And guess what, I

28:50

am the biggest proponent of black panther

28:52

in North America. When those guys sent me

28:54

that stuff. I'm like, heck,

28:56

yeah, brother, keep it, keep this thing alive.

28:59

Yeah, keep it alive. Long

29:01

Live the Black Panther. I

29:04

love it. Any

29:12

further comments on episode number one that

29:15

was I can tell you from a from

29:17

like a creative standpoint, just

29:19

kind of like behind the scenes of that podcast. That

29:22

was the first party I built that

29:24

podcast, like in January

29:27

or something. You know, it just came out like in April,

29:29

and I had all these interviews

29:31

and had no idea if they how they would stitch

29:33

together to tell a story. And when

29:36

Phil Taylor and Mediate did it all

29:38

put it all together, and I had edited all the

29:40

little sections and put it together. Man,

29:42

I was so excited when I heard it. I

29:44

was just driving down the road and just listen to it, and

29:47

I was like, Yes, that is

29:49

what I want to do with burglaries,

29:51

you know, like tell these interesting

29:54

stories about rural

29:56

culture and they're not always gonna

29:58

be about hunting. Like that pod didn't have anything

30:01

at all. I mean it was good because it

30:03

you know, it gave it gave a lot

30:05

of depth to everything. It wasn't just

30:08

I saw this when I was nine.

30:10

Team. There was a whole lot of a

30:13

build up in basis to all of the

30:15

all the claims you know, and I witness

30:17

reports, and then you know, somebody

30:19

to set back an unbiased view and look at all

30:21

of it and say, you know, you may have seen

30:24

something, but the possibilities of it being

30:27

you know, this particular color

30:29

or that particular animal, you

30:31

know, it's you know, while

30:33

not impossible, you know, highly improbable.

30:36

Did you just give you know, food for thought? Yeah?

30:38

And if by unbiased you mean Myron's

30:41

section, I can support it

30:43

was far from Yeah. Yeah,

30:46

yeah, you know what I really liked

30:48

about it was, um, it

30:50

kind of made me And this is probably one of thost

30:52

naive things I'll say, but it

30:55

just seems like when when

30:57

we weren't so detached from the land

30:59

and from wild places, that

31:01

it might have been easier to trust

31:04

one another. When you talk about trusting

31:06

your brother and trusting your fellow man. When

31:08

when the biggest you know, argument

31:12

or polarizing you know, one of them

31:14

is are there black panthers or not? Or are

31:16

there mountain? Yeah?

31:18

You know, whereas there's so many things today

31:20

in our current age that just it

31:22

just seems like it inhibits that so much more

31:25

that was thirty years ago, man, almost

31:27

And you know, I've never had

31:30

an outlet to even you know, tell that story

31:33

where in any setting. That

31:35

was when you saw your Mountain Lions thirty years

31:37

ago, almost thirty years and

31:39

your old friend Clay was the only one who cared.

31:42

He on the one that listened, and

31:45

then he tried to sell you some so hey,

31:49

so right here on that you got. This is

31:51

a surprise. You don't know what this is. That's

31:54

a number

31:57

three of the Bear Grease podcast

32:00

was a shed horned buck of nineteen dear

32:05

dear friend James Lawrence.

32:10

This is this

32:12

is the butck. This is okay.

32:17

I refused to

32:20

allow him to give them to me.

32:25

Man. I was at James's house and

32:28

this is before he had even heard the podcast, and

32:31

he just said take those home with you. And

32:33

he also allowed me turn

32:35

around and look up here. So on the on

32:38

the ceiling of my office,

32:41

there's a picture of my dad, Gary

32:43

Nucom with his first buck. There's a picture

32:45

of Steve Schultz, who's my father in law.

32:48

And there's a picture of James Lawrence

32:51

back in the mountains of Arkansas with

32:53

a buck. And that buck that's hanging on the

32:55

wall is a buck that James

32:57

Lawrence killed on one of his big

32:59

soul Low hunts back in the seventies.

33:02

Now, he killed that one in the sixties. He was like twenty

33:04

one years old when he killed it. Those three guys

33:06

are my heroes. That's why they're

33:08

there. And those there's

33:10

like sixteen by twenty frame pictures, And what's

33:13

so cool is they were all about the same

33:15

age in that picture. So, Dad, how old were you.

33:17

That's Dad's first buck. Oh, twenty

33:20

six, twenty seven or something like that,

33:23

So you were you were older than that when it

33:25

was nineteen seventy eight. I'm just glad you're

33:29

thirty years old. Yeah, I'm glad he's wearing

33:31

clothes. Well no, maybe,

33:37

yeah, yeah. I

33:39

wouldn't like most of these listeners. I didn't

33:42

start hunting until

33:44

real late in life because my dad was

33:46

so much like Clay. You

33:48

didn't want to hang around him and he'd kill

33:51

you hunting. I mean, you'd go with him

33:53

and it's like, come on, Dad, it's time to go home,

33:56

and we're just getting started. I

33:58

quit. Yeah, yeah. So

34:00

yeah, So Dad started bo hunting when he was in

34:02

his late twenties. But you grew

34:05

up bird hunting and stuff with your dad. He

34:07

kind of burned you out. Yeah, I had to lay

34:09

rules down when I got a little older that hey,

34:11

we're only going for four hours.

34:15

So there's dad's picture. And then Steve Schultz,

34:17

my father in law. He was a falconer and

34:19

that picture was taking the late seventies in Florida,

34:22

and uh, he's Steve's

34:24

had an incredible influence on my life. And

34:26

then James, who in

34:28

his own unique way has had a significant

34:31

impact on was like, but this this is the shed horn buck

34:33

that he picked. He picked up these sheds, those

34:36

actual sheds are from the sixties. Man, let's look great.

34:38

He picked up these sheds in in the early

34:40

nineteen sixties. And actually

34:43

he told me that he made a set of rattling horns

34:45

at a one pair because he's got three sets of

34:48

sheds, but he can only find two.

34:51

And this is actually two

34:53

different years sheds. I'm holding a left

34:56

handler and a right handler. So

34:58

this was the buck the year before. If you really

35:00

dissected and held it, you could see a difference

35:02

in mass, in time length.

35:05

This was the buck at his prime. Okay,

35:08

this is a left antler, a five point side.

35:11

People can go to my Instagram and see a picture

35:13

of James and me with these deer. Okay,

35:15

I scored this buck this side

35:18

as a shed ten

35:21

twelve years ago, and I just remembered

35:23

that it scored around a hundred

35:25

seventy. And that's what I said on the podcast. I

35:29

kind of got to not doubting myself, but I

35:31

was just like, man, I wondered that thing. I

35:33

mean, I just kind of like to re score that thing

35:35

just to make sure you know I'm I'm interested in

35:38

the facts. Boys. Yeah,

35:43

I scored this right before you guys came, and

35:46

that shed has eighty inches of antler

35:48

on it, which eighty inches would be

35:51

eighty times two, which would be one sixty

35:53

plus the spread, So this

35:55

would have been a mid one seventies white

35:57

tips. It's deceptive though. It's

35:59

got a twenty two inch main beam, eleven

36:01

inches, ten and a half, seven

36:03

and a half, five and a half plus

36:06

two kickers plus you

36:08

know, four inch mass all the way out ends

36:11

up being eighty inches. So like, but

36:13

this is that's the horn. Here's to

36:16

a to a non hunter, this is

36:18

like a prized if you were

36:20

to kill this this buck, this will be up None

36:22

of us in this room have ever killed a deer that big,

36:25

much less how many years ago in

36:27

Arkansas? I mean, that's the that's one

36:29

of the big things that is the ecosystem in

36:31

Arkansas that many decades

36:33

ago. This was that

36:39

set of antlers might as well have been grown out

36:41

right in the middle of his hand, like a white tailed unicorn.

36:44

And after sixty

36:47

years a hunting, they called

36:49

you the unicorn. N

36:52

Is that what this is about? You wanted to

36:54

talk about my high school day? Is? Yeah? This is

36:56

you now? Yeah,

36:59

so Malicho would be like just a really

37:01

nice white tail deer and uh,

37:04

now, what what do you guys think of? That podcast? Was

37:06

great? I listened to it again yesterday.

37:08

You know what I I thought,

37:11

How wonderful was it for him

37:13

to have that story and that, you

37:15

know, talk about I mean, say, with the are

37:18

there panthers or not? You want to be trusted, You want

37:20

to trust your fellow man. Basically none of his family

37:23

trusted him, you know. But then for

37:25

you to do that podcast

37:28

and have all these conversations with them,

37:30

I mean that had to really I had

37:32

to be healing for him. It's kind

37:34

of what I was taken away from him.

37:36

You know what struck me about it was

37:38

that he

37:40

was not a mainstream hunter. He did something

37:43

different than everybody else. All the hunters

37:45

that knew how to hunt, had all the experience,

37:48

were out running dogs and James

37:50

is sitting there going, now, I saw a

37:53

deer out here, and I mean he

37:55

pursued his own thing and

37:58

and in a way if you know, I don't

38:00

hunt bucks like that. I mean, it's just

38:02

too boring for me. So I'm not gonna kill

38:04

deer like this unless really

38:06

heavy to carry out the woods. Yeah, yeah, that's

38:08

right. You've been with me when I picked a little

38:13

but anywhere I've had a chance

38:15

to kill him a deer close to that, but it

38:18

didn't work. Anyway.

38:20

That's a great point. And see, the whole

38:22

the whole point of that podcast to me was

38:25

that James took

38:27

something that was negative and turned into something positive,

38:30

going back to insight and unlikely

38:32

places like that would have crushed most people

38:34

and and did Jane. I like, it

38:37

was a little bit tricky for me because

38:41

James trusts me so much. I feel

38:43

like like he he would just tell

38:46

me whatever I asked him to tell and wouldn't question

38:48

what I was gonna do with that information. If

38:50

you told him you'd seen a mountain lion, he'd

38:52

believe. He would believe me. He's never

38:54

seen one. James Lawrence has never seen a

38:56

mountain lion. I believed the

38:59

subject. But like, there

39:01

was some pretty pretty deep stuff

39:03

there, and I was drawing conclusions

39:06

about like him, like

39:09

that impacted him in a negative way,

39:11

But he didn't get bitter about

39:14

it. He and I said

39:16

this before, he is the guy that you want

39:18

with you when you're successful. So

39:20

like he didn't go and oppress people

39:23

even more like he was oppressed. Like

39:26

he just instinctively was just like,

39:28

man, I'm not gonna ever let that happen one of my friends.

39:30

And you know one thing too, You take Malachi

39:34

that's not hunted much, and you

39:36

kill a big buck. He didn't even

39:38

know it. I mean, those

39:40

guys might have come at that

39:42

a little more honest than what we think.

39:45

It might not have been. I'm kind of jealous of

39:47

James for killing it. It could have been.

39:49

I just thought, man, we're out here for the meat. We're trying

39:52

to survive, you

39:54

know, forget the horns. I'm worried about

39:56

my belly. You know, I can see that

39:58

I think that makes sense. So if you've got

40:00

a group of guys who are not hunting for sport

40:02

and there's a socially accepted way

40:05

to obtain sustenance and

40:07

he's going against the grain in the use

40:10

and the quickest way possible, that kind

40:12

of that. You know. I didn't feel like at

40:14

all in the podcast though, that his

40:17

family were like demonized or anything. But it makes

40:19

a little more sense as to why I couldn't

40:21

figure out why are they so unkind to this kid?

40:24

You know, why does some of the men in his life

40:26

come and be like, man, that's awesome. That's

40:29

where it was a little bit touchy

40:31

and I and I had to be careful and I actually

40:34

asked a few people before I said, do

40:36

you think that would hurt? Do you think? I

40:38

mean, I didn't want to disclose more

40:40

than but but James is the one that said it,

40:43

you know, I mean, like he just told his story and

40:45

he was kind of he was kind of discounted.

40:48

And that is also pretty normal too.

40:51

I mean, like to kind of discount

40:53

a kid when they're saying something,

40:55

and I didn't. And James has the utmost respect

40:57

for his family too, And you could tell that at the

40:59

first a podcast when he was talking about his grandmother

41:02

and grandfather, how much you respected

41:04

them and how they never said

41:06

anything negative about anybody. Man. That's

41:09

that's that's James. But from

41:11

from if we're talking about the Burgaries podcast

41:14

and kind of forecasting where this thing

41:16

is gonna go. These first

41:18

six episodes I think are

41:21

all very diverse. You think about

41:23

it, like we explore this like folklore

41:26

of the myth of the southern mountain lion. Every

41:29

podcast I want to have an expert,

41:31

like a biologist or an academic

41:34

guy, or just someone who's a subject

41:36

matter expert. And then

41:39

the ideas also that we're interviewing in

41:41

the field, people that have information

41:44

about the topic, like Brent and Dad's and mountain

41:46

lions. And then

41:48

here Daniels said, Daniel's like waving

41:50

his hand, He's like, why what on the first now?

41:54

And and and uh, every

41:56

podcast is gonna have kind of this similar,

41:59

similar structure, but all gonna

42:01

be very different, like this folklore about mountain

42:03

lion, anabiology lesson, and then the

42:06

next one we're talking about the

42:09

correlation between being a good al hooter and a turkey

42:11

hunter and talking about Colin Turkey's

42:17

you did good man? Yeah,

42:20

well you're getting there. And

42:22

and then the third podcast was the shed hornbuck

42:25

in nineteen sixty two, which was just this guy's story.

42:28

And then the fourth podcast was Death

42:30

of a Bear Hunter, which was fantastic.

42:33

Man meant okay, that

42:35

one was a historically based

42:38

podcast about a guy in a

42:40

book and one single story of the book,

42:42

but we painted the context to the whole scene.

42:45

You listen to that podcast, you understand what's going on

42:47

in the eighteen thirties in Arkansas.

42:49

You understand who gir Stalker was. You

42:51

understand a little bit about Native Americans that he

42:53

was hunting with, And like, what

42:57

what do y'all think of that one? I got a bone to pick with you

42:59

on that. Okay, hold

43:01

this deer horn while you're doing it. Three years

43:03

this is a weapon. Okay, past the deer

43:05

horn, if you want to talk three

43:08

years ago. Three years ago, you

43:10

said, Brant, have you

43:12

ever seen this book? Yeah?

43:17

That one? I never heard of it. He said, you got

43:19

to read it, he said, And this is why I want you

43:21

to read it. This is three years ago,

43:25

he said, I want you to read this book. And when you get

43:27

done, you and I are going to do a podcast on

43:29

this. I heard him say it. I was there, so

43:32

he's I buy this book and

43:34

I read this thing from cover to cover. I can speak

43:36

Germany.

43:42

And then the next thing, I know, when the podcast

43:44

comes out of like, I don't hear myself on there? That

43:47

does That doesn't even sound like. So basically

43:50

I gave you an assignment to do a book report

43:52

and then there was no never got

43:55

a grade. It

43:57

was absolutely It was incredible, though, man,

43:59

that that book. I sent

44:01

that book to my brother and

44:04

both of my nephews. I think I've read it now. It's

44:06

incredible book. Yeah, I passed

44:08

the horn. Hey, well you read

44:10

it too, Dan, Yeah, you read

44:13

it years ago. When I just told you the

44:15

story, Well we were on a bear

44:17

hunt together and something had

44:19

reminded you of the story, and you, Clay

44:21

retold the story and the

44:23

way that I remembered it was you. You got

44:26

to kind of the climax of the story and this gentleman

44:29

gets knocked out, everything

44:31

goes black, wakes up, his hunting

44:34

buddies dead. I mean, it's just like just this

44:36

amazing story. I

44:38

went and got the book and read it and it was just

44:40

fantastic. Yeah yeah,

44:42

yeah, yeah, Well that

44:45

that story has been on my mind

44:47

for years. I mean that's the reason I told it. But

44:50

we're gonna replicate that into other podcasts

44:53

with historical stories, and I've already

44:55

got some ideas that i cannot share.

44:57

I'll share what you got after this? Yeah,

45:00

a few books you want Brent to read? Yeah?

45:04

Yeah, yeah, Um

45:07

what Josh your thoughts on that one? Well?

45:09

I love that one A couple of times. I

45:12

loved the I mean when

45:14

you're when you're reading that story, you

45:17

are transported into

45:19

the what is happening? And

45:23

gay Stalker does such a great

45:25

job Josh, as German describing, does

45:28

such a great job describing the scene.

45:31

It's like, who needs Netflix when

45:33

you got that? You know? You

45:35

know, and you mentioned this I think

45:37

maybe on the podcast, but a lot of the places

45:40

that he talked about in that book, I've been, you

45:42

know. It's it's it's between here and

45:44

where I live in Central Arkansas,

45:47

up and down the Little Red River. Well,

45:49

you know it's I was serious when I said on

45:51

the podcast, I was offended at

45:54

people that I didn't know that story till

45:57

I was thirty years old. I'm serious.

45:59

I'll tell you where about. It was

46:01

not in this country. I was in another country

46:05

reading a book in a hotel room,

46:08

and I had no idea that, well, I this

46:10

this college professor had said, Hey, there's some stories

46:13

about Arkansas bear hunting. There's

46:15

all I said, terrible marketing, Like

46:17

the first half of the book. The guy's not even

46:19

Arkansas. So I'm just kind of like, oh, this is cool.

46:21

I mean, you know, it's cool, but like I wanted Arkansas

46:24

stuff. And when I get to that story,

46:27

I'm I'm not kidding. I remember where I was sitting

46:29

when I read that story, and I was just like, holy

46:32

cow, he was eventually

46:34

coming. I didn't know that he was. Well, no, no, I

46:36

knew. All I knew was that Arkansas bear

46:38

stories. I had no idea that it was just right

46:41

down the road. And I'm like, why

46:43

don't we know that? Why don't

46:45

they teach this in Arkansas public

46:47

schools? Why? And like

46:50

just it's just and the and the truth

46:53

is there's stuff like that littered all across

46:55

history. Like wherever the people that are

46:58

listening to this live, stuff happened

47:00

right where they live. Substantial

47:05

Emory day, this guy hand him

47:07

the horn no

47:10

in okay, going back

47:12

to the insight like Bear Grease can give

47:14

you insight beyond what you would

47:17

have thought it would, is that I

47:19

really have had the question of why does that story

47:22

impact me so much? Like why?

47:25

And and that was my exploration inside

47:27

of that podcast, is why do stories impact

47:29

this? Because that story has no consequence on my

47:31

life in a rational sense, like a guy got

47:34

killed by bar out here with dogs, but

47:37

that guy's story has shaped

47:40

my family and

47:43

it's just you know. And then and then the conclusion

47:45

was humans are massively

47:48

impacted by stories, whether

47:50

you want to or not. And so

47:52

you got a choice of what stories you

47:54

let impact you. Netflix

47:57

tells stories. That's what Netflix is in the

47:59

business of telling stories, you

48:02

know, absolutely,

48:05

and so like and

48:07

and you know, you could say, well, Clay, why are you letting

48:10

a story about a English guy you didn't

48:12

know getting killed by bear you know, like

48:14

impact your family. Like that's kind

48:16

of aside from the point in that it's like

48:19

we we get that, we get to choose

48:21

what impacts us and how it impacts us,

48:24

you know. And I would like if Gerstalker had

48:26

just been a dirt ball that story,

48:29

like like if he had just been known as like

48:31

an outlaw and like a scrupulous

48:33

character, like I

48:36

wouldn't have had respect. I respected the guy.

48:38

He did love people, like I

48:40

said on the podcast when he left Conwell's

48:43

house, like these are people that he had just met.

48:45

He couldn't even speak their same language

48:47

that well, and he cried when

48:50

he left Conwell's house. He said, Conwell

48:52

had hair as white as snow. And he loved

48:54

his family and he went into you

48:56

know how, he stayed with them and they begged

48:59

him to stay. And it's just like I

49:02

like it. I like that guy. And

49:04

then and then just his insightfulness

49:06

and and he wasn't like a conservation hero,

49:09

like I wasn't trying to paint Gerstalker as a conservation

49:11

hero. But he did

49:14

have insight that the

49:16

market hunting of the times of which

49:18

he participated in was unsustainable.

49:21

And like so that then becomes like a

49:23

stamp on that story. And

49:25

like when I think of that, I

49:27

think of, man, will never do that again. He

49:29

was hunting bears in February in Den's

49:32

and it's like, man, that was really cool Wayne

49:35

doing that no more. I

49:37

mean, there there are stories in that book of

49:40

them crawling into dens crawling

49:43

in caves with Litward. They

49:45

call him Torches, but pine Kindler's

49:48

pine Kindling split climbing

49:50

into caves, killing a sal bear

49:53

and then smacking cubs

49:55

up against the rock to kill him. I mean

49:57

like they were in the business of killing stuff,

50:00

and it's like that did happen. That's not

50:02

good. It's not gonna happen again. Because

50:04

it happened, then, do you see what I'm

50:06

saying. It's like me like talking about

50:09

conservation based bear hunting, where we're highly

50:11

selective and we're trying to target these older

50:13

mature males. That happened because ger

50:15

Stoker, he didn't know any better, was

50:17

clubbing you know,

50:20

baby bears over there. I mean for

50:23

a better term, we

50:27

listen. We have the right as humans

50:30

to correct our paths and learn from our

50:32

past. It's like James Lawrence

50:34

redemption inside of something that was negative.

50:37

Well, you you recognize that

50:39

that that is obsolete, and

50:41

you have to be able to recognize the

50:44

obsolescence of that thing and move

50:46

on and say this this worked for the time,

50:48

it's no longer relevant. Yeah,

50:52

And we'd still be doing

50:54

that today if we hadn't. Well, we wouldn't

50:56

because the bears will be gone, but

50:59

and they were for a time. They were in Arkansas.

51:02

Okay, closing comments

51:04

here, Dan, I'm gonna throw this horn to you and you'll

51:06

get to speak. Just what do you think I'm

51:09

gonna say? Overall? It's the

51:11

podcast is solidly mediocre. Um

51:17

no, no, no. I think what

51:20

as I've been listening to them and really enjoying

51:22

them, I think, you know, when you think about podcasts

51:24

and stories, a lot of today's

51:27

kind of stories and podcasts either are

51:30

really critiquing a

51:33

part of life and usually not a

51:35

very beneficial way,

51:38

or it's trying to kind of escape life,

51:40

you know as it is. And I feel like what I really

51:43

like about what you're doing is I

51:46

leave having listened to one of your podcasts,

51:49

and I'm thinking about how

51:51

I see things and how I relate with people

51:53

and choices that I make, and to me,

51:55

it helps me feel more connected. It's

51:57

your insight. You know, you're gonning, You're gonna

52:00

inside from unlikely places, and

52:02

I feel like that is what I walk

52:04

away with. Yeah, I like

52:07

it. I

52:09

think about where this all started with me

52:12

and you, and we

52:14

were in Oklahoma on

52:16

a bear bait and I was

52:18

running the camera and

52:20

we've been sitting there for that

52:23

one day for a week. It seemed

52:25

like and hadn't seen a bear. And

52:29

you turned away from me and I was

52:31

looking off back to the left.

52:33

I was sitting on the to the left of clay,

52:36

and when I turned back around, you had taken mud

52:38

and I assumed water and covered

52:40

your face and mud, and I thought, how

52:43

did I get here? I've

52:46

carried forty pounds of

52:49

camera equipment on the side of this mountain

52:51

in the Washington Mountains, and this

52:53

guy has just put mud all little I

52:57

don't know what it was, but I thought,

52:59

this is this gal never go anywhere,

53:04

But look what you've done. Buddy. I'm very proud of

53:06

you for what it what it's turned into

53:08

and the drive, you know. I say

53:11

that facetiously about knowing

53:14

you wasn't gonna go anywhere, and the drive you had

53:16

has been outstanding. It's inspired

53:19

me to do a lot of stuff too, and I

53:21

just appreciate you let me come along

53:23

for the ride. Right on, man. Yeah,

53:27

As as the non hunter in

53:29

the group, I think hearing

53:33

the podcast and watching

53:35

you tell people stories, I think it's

53:37

a very powerful tool to continue

53:40

the legacy and culture and

53:42

give people who haven't

53:44

had that exposure a correct

53:47

way of seeing things. I think hunting,

53:49

I think the Southern culture. I

53:52

think Arkansas has,

53:55

you know, nationally not a good rep

53:58

and hearing the story is in seeing

54:00

how you hunt and it's being driven

54:03

by principles and patterns

54:05

and the way that you you share,

54:08

the way that you've been influenced by your dad, the

54:10

way that you influence your kids. I think

54:12

it's a powerful medium and tool

54:15

to give people a cleaner,

54:18

more pristine, more correct picture

54:21

of hunting, of Arkansas,

54:23

of the South, of relationships, of

54:27

of everything that is built inside

54:29

of a commodity

54:31

that was once you know, valuable

54:34

that is but is lost and so bringing

54:36

that back and giving giving people a

54:38

better picture of that, I think is is

54:40

awesome. Yeah,

54:43

it's good. Well, I think

54:45

that I've really

54:47

enjoyed the podcast, and

54:49

uh, I think just having known you for a lot

54:52

of years, I appreciate

54:54

um. First of all, like Malick I said,

54:57

I appreciate the relational aspect of

55:00

of the podcast. I think it I think

55:02

when it all boils down to it, it's

55:04

relationship that makes us rich and

55:07

so to be able to connect with people and

55:09

to to draw stories from people.

55:11

I think storytelling and the ability

55:14

to draw stories out of people that

55:17

that thing has been lost, um

55:19

in a sense that that shows the depth

55:22

of what's been built in people over a

55:24

long journey. And so I think to be able

55:26

to hear that from you

55:29

who have a passion to

55:31

to mind that out, I

55:33

think it's valuable for people to be

55:35

able to hear. And so I'm really looking forward

55:37

to to the future

55:40

podcasts and the things

55:42

that I get to learn by listening. And

55:44

uh yeah, I mean I think you eagerly

55:47

await being on the very grious

55:49

podcasts, eagerly render, and

55:51

and I may might become

55:53

so popular on the render that I don't I don't

55:55

need to be on the point.

55:58

Hey, this is look good for Edwards

56:01

were passing to their horn, Dad, What do you think then? Well,

56:04

I hate to burst your stinking bubble,

56:06

but these

56:09

guys are obviously on the

56:12

payroll. And I

56:15

am really disappointed in you, Daniel.

56:17

I think you sort of have a spiritual religious

56:19

background. And it's it's

56:22

obvious again that she hadn't

56:24

been vaccinated against Lyne. That's

56:27

that's brist deal. I

56:30

podcast. When he's talking about But

56:33

you know when I listened to it, I look, I look

56:35

at it from a deadly standpoint. That's

56:37

a new word. We'll

56:39

take it. Uh. You know, it's

56:42

just like when you were a kid. You know, your brain is not

56:44

totally formed. I mean, you miss about half

56:46

the good stuff.

56:48

It's like on the deal with the with the Dogs,

56:51

I mean, nowhere did you mention that

56:54

the dog is your best friend? But why is

56:56

he your best friend? It's because he loved

56:58

you first. He's the only animal

57:00

that loves you more than him. And I mean you didn't

57:02

even cover that. I mean I was embarrassed. It

57:07

was embarrassing that you went into

57:09

all that rhetoric and didn't

57:12

mention the love the

57:14

dog has for you. And if you look

57:16

at life in the way

57:18

I'm serious about the love, I think you can

57:20

detect that. But I only love

57:23

people that love me. And if they

57:25

have the ability to show me that they loved

57:27

me first, you know, they

57:30

exposed themselves. It's it's like

57:33

I'm open, vulnerable

57:35

the words. Yeah, there you go. So I mean

57:37

that's that's a powerful tool,

57:41

is love. And people that

57:43

are have enough confidence to expose

57:47

themselves to hate. And

57:49

a dog does it immediately. Now

57:52

how that came from a wolf to

57:55

domesticated dog? But it's

57:57

really powerful. But no, really, all these podcasts,

58:01

they're different in a lot that I've heard

58:04

where you have a lot of meat,

58:06

a lot of science, a lot of humor,

58:09

all of it mixed up into

58:11

a recipe that it's

58:14

pretty entertaining and education.

58:18

So obviously I

58:20

need to tune your

58:24

daddy.

58:30

It's a solid six. Gary

58:33

nucle gives The Brigs podcast two

58:37

stars.

58:40

Okay, hey, I need people

58:43

to leave iTunes reviews on the

58:45

Barrious podcast like so this

58:47

is my unashamed

58:51

solicitation for all our listeners to

58:53

go to iTunes and apparently that

58:56

drives the needle on these podcasts with

58:58

the higher ups, you know. So,

59:01

uh, I'm asking everybody out there do me

59:03

a favor and just uh, you

59:05

know you can. You can do as little as just giving

59:07

it like stars. But the

59:09

best thing to do would be to leave a comment, you know, just

59:11

just say what you think. Um, that

59:13

would help us. And UM,

59:16

I think my guests so much for

59:18

being here. Really, you guys mean the world

59:20

to me, all of me, so that's why you're here. Uh.

59:23

Check out Brent's podcast Nightlife Nation. Brent's

59:25

got a coon hunting podcast. Check out Josh

59:27

on Instagram, Kiki and the Beard Um

59:30

nobody else has any like uh big

59:32

social platforms. Yeah

59:36

on the Twitter. But again,

59:39

if if you hadn't been paying attention, We're gonna

59:41

do this every other week, So the bear

59:43

Grease podcast will come out every

59:46

other week, the Bear Grease Render, which

59:48

is us just shooting the bull, and

59:50

it'll be a different you know, it might be different, people

59:53

might be the same people. Y'all may never want

59:55

to come back. Brent drove three

59:57

hours to be here. Did y'all know that Yerry

1:00:00

drove to two and

1:00:02

a half. Two and a half.

1:00:05

He'll never get those two and a half. No,

1:00:09

thank you guys so much. And uh yeah,

1:00:12

I can't wait for the next episode. Keep

1:00:14

the wild places wild because that's where the bears

1:00:17

live and that's where you get barglaries. You

1:00:26

know what, when Malachi left the house this morning,

1:00:28

he thought he had the coolest socks on Those

1:00:34

are those are coon

1:00:36

dog socks? Oh me,

1:00:39

I'm crazy.