Fabio: [00:00:00] Another week. And we back after, after a big Apple event, that was really exciting. Did you watch it all?
Till: [00:00:08] I watched it all. I was also working at the same time, so it was a little bit distracted, but
Fabio: [00:00:16] And my messages didn't help either.
Till: [00:00:19] would texting back and forth all the time. I really enjoyed it. I didn't know if it was starving for something like it or. If it was one of the best WWDC VDT I just really liked that I was a bit bummed that there was no new iMac or.
Apple Silicon Mac, but overall I'm quite stoked, especially I didn't make any notes. I didn't want to talk too much about this because then there's podcasts for that. Like ATP, you can just help on that. And they talk about is for weeks and weeks at a time sleep tracking on the Apple watch. I thought was super cool.
[00:01:00] Fabio: [00:01:00] let me tell you about sleep tracking. Last year, we had to work with an app with a sleep tracking app and we had to implement it on the Apple watch. It was the worst time of my life, working with a developer, trying to implement all that tracking needed for sleep tracking. It's really difficult. So I'm so glad now that Apple made it official.
Yeah, it looks really cool.
Till: [00:01:24] and I bet other apps can use there. The native tracking metrics and then do different results of better reporting or whatever you want to do with it.
Fabio: [00:01:34] Yeah. I don't know if there's an SDK, like sleep tracking SDK or something available for third party developers. I'm sure there will be at some point there'll be quite cool.
Till: [00:01:43] Yeah. Was there anything else that you really, really liked?
Fabio: [00:01:46] Yeah. So I liked all of the design language, the updated design on all OSS. So of course every last installed in my devices, I go to it on my phone, or my MacBook [00:02:00] pro Apple TV.
I-pads what, everywhere. I'm really surprised I was stable. It is like, everything is so yeah, quite stable. I remember when I used 13 came outside and stole it. By mistake by mistake on my phone. And I couldn't use my banking app and it was logged out from, for about two weeks. And I can, I could only use the website and not my app.
but this year I was 14. No problem. I can use everything. The only app I can not use is, Adobe audition, which is the one I need to do the editing for the podcast with. Yeah, which is a bit annoying because the there's like lots of graphics glitches on the screen. When I moved the, you know, the audio file and you can see the, the wave forms, they glitch for some reason when I zoom in and out, and then they show duplicates and it's weird.
So I cannot use that one on my laptop, but I'm hoping that before I. [00:03:00] Go away. And I have only my laptop, they were actually pushing updates so I can use Adobe audition again, because then I can't, no, I can't do any editing,
Till: [00:03:09] So you didn't update your iMac or main work machine.
Fabio: [00:03:14] exactly. Yeah. I didn't want to risk it just in case there's a lot of stuff going on at the moment. So I did not want to risk my, my, and my sanity
Till: [00:03:21] Yeah. I'm going to wait a bit until there's a public beta and I better be
Fabio: [00:03:25] that will be in July.
Till: [00:03:27] Yeah. I think it's going to be a bit more stable than then. I just needed footwork and I didn't want to update my phone. I have all the new fancy stuff. And then my laptop is behind and they don't sync anymore. I like the sinking.
I like things to
Fabio: [00:03:42] exactly.
Till: [00:03:42] I use Apple stuff. Yeah.
Fabio: [00:03:45] Yeah. I feel this way. I want it all in because of all this. Problems there. I'm sure that will happen. if, for example, when I did my Apple watch last year, I did the Apple watch before the iPhone, and then I [00:04:00] can synchronize it to insights of sort of reset my Apple watch after is it sort of nightmare process, but yeah, I'm liking it.
I wanted to try extrovert as well, which looks really nice. the new features on excode. So yeah,
Till: [00:04:12] Cool.
Fabio: [00:04:13] look, look at
Till: [00:04:14] And where are you going to go? Yeah. Right. I didn't even want to say anything. You mentioned you're going away. Where are you going to go?
Fabio: [00:04:21] Oh, I'm going to go to see my family. I've got my flight canceled today in Italy, so yeah, I've got my flight. I got my flight canceled, two weeks before the flight and, I was really annoyed because. They never sent an email. It was just a notification on my phone. And I sort of looked at my phone hours later.
and there was this message from, from EasyJet and I was so annoyed and I couldn't find anything until mid July and July or something like that. And so I had to go online again and rebook it with Lufthansa. So I'm sure you know them very well.
Till: [00:04:59] No, I don't [00:05:00] at all. I know the name, but that's it. I left Germany so early. That's really good to know. My mum, my mum wants to come to Canada or has flights booked with her husband, and she's also quite annoyed and bummed out and texts me. Twice a week about how an idea is that there is no clear information on when you can travel.
Can you travel? Can you not travel? And now Europe seems to be opening up. And I hope because she's immediate family. She can't just come here in August. So it's quite a it's two months in the future might be fine.
Fabio: [00:05:41] Yeah, it might. I mean, easily. It's all fine at the moment. There's no more quarantine. I can go that don't have to stay two weeks stuck in a home without seeing anybody for two weeks. So that's also fine. So, yeah, I'm, I'm hoping that your mom can actually fly across really soon.
[00:06:00] Till: [00:05:59] Yeah. So you man, is there anything else that stood out doing the Apple keynote?
Fabio: [00:06:06] I really enjoyed the, the entire production. I think that was really cool.
Till: [00:06:10] Oh my God. And the dancing they're flying into the gym. And then there's this really skinny, bad posture nod. That's like, I expect someone else in the gym
Fabio: [00:06:25] I was expecting someone else as well.
Till: [00:06:28] and then the white lady at the end, which I thought was cool. You know, she's talking about all these fitness features and then. Throws down this really white dance routine. I thought it was pretty too, but also respect, you know, she did something and the transition back and the skinny program is dancing too.
I like those kinds of dad jokes. It's I appreciate that. That kind of, you know, not taking your self too serious, making better fun of yourself. I like that.
Fabio: [00:06:56] Yeah. As long as he doesn't go that cringy, [00:07:00] 1990s, Microsoft with the two Steves dancing on stage about developers, developers, developers. That was so cringe. Yeah. Cool. Cool. But, so yeah, the production was incredible. How the fly overs and seeing all the different offices, I think that was amazing.
But one thing I've seen on Twitter as well. People thought it was so clean that it looks like black mirror, like an episode of black mirror. It was too, almost like CGI clean.
Till: [00:07:30] Post, I can't pronounce that word apocalypse. Yeah. And if the world zombies take, have taken over, but nature hasn't swallowed the buildings yet. So it's just a speak empty, I guess, maybe because of the pandemic. That's why it's so empty. I
Fabio: [00:07:49] Well, yeah, but not the emptiness. I think he was like, the visual is a very clean, like the, the office was super clean and super geometric and the lysing was so bright. [00:08:00] And then there was this rectangular big block, which was a screen behind and nothing else. And people thought it looked like one of those.
Sort of like bosses in a video game where you go in this building and it's all Saifai looking. Yeah. and I've seen a lot of comments about that as like very black men. Have you ever seen black mirror by the way? Yeah, so, so yeah, of course. So he's a sort of like a black mirror, weird alternative futuristic world where, yeah.
Where everything is fake, happy and clean.
Till: [00:08:34] Yeah, you almost don't have to watch it anymore. I even read or heard something a couple of weeks ago that they're postponing the next season because the reality is too screwed up. It's too. It's there's there's no more jump. There's no more of my coat. You're watching something. I said the G word
Fabio: [00:08:55] Oh yes.
Till: [00:08:56] on my, on my word
so that they might, [00:09:00] they might be postponing it. I thought it was quite interesting to hear and yeah, a lot of
Fabio: [00:09:05] I didn't know
Till: [00:09:06] even in what's the blade runner two seven, four,
Fabio: [00:09:11] the cyberpunk
Till: [00:09:12] No, not cyber
Fabio: [00:09:13] or no, the actual,
Till: [00:09:14] the movie,
Fabio: [00:09:15] with blade
Till: [00:09:15] they had this clip where all these little bull children, you know, shaved heads, seven, eight years old were harvesting electronics in the outlands on the Badlands.
But that's actually reality right now. So we're kind of ahead of schedule of blade runner, which I thought was fun. Oh, the
Fabio: [00:09:38] Like 50 years.
Till: [00:09:39] it's terrifying, but, yeah, maybe I won't go down that rabbit hole.
Fabio: [00:09:46] Yeah. Let's not do that, but let's talk about something that you mentioned or you included as part of the podcasts. which is rate this podcast.com.
Till: [00:09:56] Yeah. So this guy reached out to me. I'm [00:10:00] not sure how he found us. Maybe he's crawling Twitter for new people, announcing podcast or some, I don't know, maybe he's monitoring.fm domain registrations. I don't know. But he found me and give him a bit of feedback because his offering was so unattractive, but the extra product itself, it's getting reviews and a report of.
When someone reviewed and how many week, and you can see them all in one place, you know, you have Stitcher and iTunes and shout. I dunno, all these other different podcasting platforms. So you can see all of them in one place, which is neat. The interface is quite nice, but the whole pricing page and then his offering, it was the free plan was so restricted that I didn't even want to sign up.
I'm like, Hey, give me a little bit, give me, give me a week or two to. Smell it to taste it, the product, and then, you know what I want to upgrade. And it was just completely stripped down to, Hey, you get a [00:11:00] link that's that's it and nothing else. And it just, there's no value in it. So I rode back with him once or twice in the week.
So it changed as is offering a bit. And it's neat. However, also reached out to the transistor guys this morning. Yeah. This morning. And told him that, Hey, I'm paying $9 a month for this podcast video thing. I'd rather pay more for transistor to have it as part of the offering. And then it's all in one place.
I didn't want to have six, seven, eight different services for my podcast. I like everything in one place a lot.
Fabio: [00:11:34] and I assume that's Justin, right?
Till: [00:11:36] Yeah.
Fabio: [00:11:37] Yeah. Cool guy. And did he come back to you?
Till: [00:11:42] no, I, I haven't heard back yet. But it was, you know, my email's off we're recording podcasts. I can't no.
Fabio: [00:11:50] no, that's cool. But okay. So yeah. For anyone listening checkout, right? This podcast.com do we ever UN we can put a link on the
Till: [00:11:59] Yeah. It's [00:12:00] just slash BD
Fabio: [00:12:02] Okay. I
Till: [00:12:03] or B a D maybe I think be a debt I'll put in the show notes.
Fabio: [00:12:07] Yeah. No, that sounds good. And then he allows you to leave reviews for any platforms.
Till: [00:12:14] just like, so on transistor, for example, you go to subscribe and then it shows you, Hey, subscribe to like listen to this podcast in Apple podcast and iTunes and overcast and all of those different on SoundCloud. And it's the same way you go through the site and then you pick your. Review, wherever you consume podcasts.
And it gives you a little instruction occasion, you click on this button and then it opens it up for you and how you can review, because it's not that. Those apps don't really promote. Hey, leave reviews. It's more consumed the audio and subscribe, but leaving reviews. It's a little bit out of the way in two, three clicks down the road.
And I think that's what the sky, I forgot his name. I want to say James, that's not James [00:13:00] from rate this podcast.com created just a nice little, Hey, here's one link and you can review it anywhere. And for podcast creators, you get a nice report.
Fabio: [00:13:10] Nice. And, you know, when I see all these things and because podcasting is growing massively, but also because. He feels that he's a lot of fragmentation. There are too many systems, too many services and just feels very fragmented.
Till: [00:13:25] Dominating Amazon for podcasts.
Fabio: [00:13:28] no. No, but it would be nice to have, Oh, I guess it's already like that already in place with transistors and other platforms, but yeah, some place where you can do everything in one, I'm just not maybe seeing, let's do RSS you can have so many RSS readers, I guess, similarly podcast working the same way.
I just don't know. I just feel there are so many options. it will be nice to have. Maybe a larger one. I'm not saying the Amazon, because [00:14:00] then it will become almost a monopoly, or a Twitter, because then whoever creates third party apps, then the screwed, because that do it. I don't do it as API. They are getting a lot more restrictive, but yeah, something a bit more unified I guess.
And probably that's the idea behind transistor and all the other hosting.
Till: [00:14:19] I bet they're going to edit over time. There is one fascinating thing about this whole motive just mentioning here is do you know Zapier, Zapier, and there's a bunch of other services APS. I think the biggest and most.
Fabio: [00:14:32] there's IFT T T as well, I think. Yeah.
Till: [00:14:35] it's the most well known and it's quite easy to use if this, then that is a bit more. Develop a focus. I want to say, or at least the last time I used it, which has also been a few years, I've just been using Zapier. And it's amazing to just you connect your apps and you can automate so many things between, and those kinds of, I guess, the same thing as the right, this [00:15:00] podcast, all he's really doing or they, them, maybe she who knows the one assumed agenda. You can suppress my nephew. anyway, so the guy, I assume who's, who's making this, all he does is crawl. All he does is crawling three, four, five different podcasts review services. That's not that big of a deal. If you're somewhat okay, programmer with a year of experience, you can do this. And I a fascinating, now he just builds a little product around it, $9 a month.
And. You know, some people maybe pay a bit more and that's fine for people living in the first world have time to do podcasts. It's not, it's cheaper than YouTube premium. And he just build a little product by and he, all he does is Hecker gets data from other services. It's amazing. He doesn't actually generate everything.
Anything himself will provide value to the only value he, he delivers us aggregating [00:16:00] data. And that's interesting to me, that data has become such a commodity is becoming more and more of a commodity. And. Everybody loves analytics. I wish I'm the, you know, we talked about this briefly before the podcast, just building charts and analytics.
That's what I'm doing for my free plugin that I'm maintaining, having a little line chart and seeing, Oh, this is the performance. This is what's going on here. And I didn't use my notifications. I'm going to do this now. There we go. That was my mum talking about the flight. what it was, what was I saying?
Fabio: [00:16:41] So the, the, the line
Till: [00:16:42] Oh, the language everybody loves analytics. Anybody everybody loves looking at, Oh, you know, my bank account is Apple. My website visitors are up and down. Everybody loves analytics and it's, I'm always stoked when people make new products
Fabio: [00:16:59] yeah. [00:17:00] I thought at first, some people thought I love analytics as well, and I see data, but some people think it's something, very engineer sort of engineering related and very, almost like maths heavy. but I disagree. It's not, yeah. It's seeing all these days, especially. If it's a, as you were saying, bank accounts and money, anything like that?
To me, it's super exciting because I see, you know, something's going up. It's like amazing. Yeah. I'm guessing more money and making more money, whatever. yeah, not so
Till: [00:17:31] or even Stripe has. Added more and more shots and dashboards and analytics. I can see how much money is coming in every month, how much it's going out in refunds or cancellations. And it's just as beautiful. Chart with even negative access lines. And I, I love analytics. I love seeing data visualize because otherwise you're just looking at numbers and they're boring, but seeing charts and maybe it's a little [00:18:00] bit green of plus 42% plus 120% and red difficult stone.
It's it's emotional.
Fabio: [00:18:09] It's emotional. That's true. I like that. Definitely. And talking about sort of niche products and things built, for one particular, functionality, we've seen the big. outburst on Twitter about, Hey, then you email client for email platform from base camp. and, there has been really interesting, so we both got invited in.
I was invited in, thanks to someone there sent me the link, you know, the code across. And so I've been testing, Hey forum, I think it was the second day there was announced. and I'm enjoying it a lot and then you try to log in or sign up and you can, you can find tilt up. hey.com.
Till: [00:18:57] I think I got my personal [00:19:00] coat. Oh no. You sent me a coat on
Fabio: [00:19:03] I sent you a code.
Till: [00:19:04] but T I L [email protected] was already taken and I was in a restaurant. It was through the phone, across the room. And now I think, Hey, that's comments, the worst email service ever, because I didn't get what I wanted. And I refuse to use it.
I didn't, I didn't, I could've maybe gotten the TK or someone does, but then you pay a thousand dollars a year or nine 99.
Fabio: [00:19:30] for two letters. Yeah. It's like nine, nine, nine a year.
Till: [00:19:34] I think it's cool that they that's a premium product. I understand it, but also I think it's a stupid product. I don't want to use it. No, I'm sure. It's great. I, frankly, I didn't like the screencast, that little demo. I don't like how it's displayed. The macro is an iPhone mail apps, more than sufficient for me.
Maybe the tagging could be a bit better, but it [00:20:00] works. And I don't get 600 emails a day could be
Fabio: [00:20:04] That's a good point.
Till: [00:20:05] However, the one thing that really impressed me. By the way I started muting DHH a mute at the attention. I don't want to listen to someone who, every single thing they share, excuse me. Every single thing they share is shouting and yelling and negative.
And he's famous. He created an amazing framework, but I don't want to listen to negative people. And I've got some more notes down there later in the show notes. I want to surround myself with people. That's. I don't even know what to say. I didn't, I don't know how to phrase this, but to me, someone who's shouting and yelling and criticizing all the time, it's what I don't want. So I just muted him. And even if other people share. So the one feature though, which is incredible and I'm super stoked that they probably, I assume, are the first ones or maybe making this a standard though.
So Safari had this thing called intelligent [00:21:00] checking prevention. It Pete. And then that version 2.0, and then read the, the Safari developers. They have these long dry posts on how it works. And it's been interesting to follow them and see how people who want to check other people on the internet or users adjusting to the intelligent tracking prevention.
And then they're growing. And I think that version 2.1 now 2.0 or something like that. I really appreciate that I'm a heavy Safari use. I think it's the best browser. I use Chrome for a lot of development because it just has all the development to it, but for anything personal on my phone or browsing the web, I always use Safari.
And so you can not be tracked basically, or try to not be tracked or. To a certain extent, not be easily tracked, whatever the limit is. And now, Hey, adding this tracking notification or even blocker to email, I never thought [00:22:00] about it. And I send out emails that have open tracking and clicking on linked checking.
I was like, wow, never thought of it. And I hope every single email client will implement this. So for me, they did the world a big favor and. I try to, because you know, everything is native Macco S apps or iOS apps for me, I found this one setting, sending a screenshot a few days ago. You can actually say don't load remote images in most email clients.
And that would prevent any kind of tracking.
Fabio: [00:22:34] Yeah, that's a good point because it's just a pixel is the trucking
Till: [00:22:38] And clicking on a link. It would still redirect. And they know that you clicked on the link. But to me, that's, it's even just having this nasty warning at the top of the email. Like, Hey, this email tracks, whether you open it and this email tracks, whether you click on links, just these ugly warnings, I [00:23:00] think would be quite a deterrent for.
Companies or including me to use those kinds of tracking things. And it's fine. You can always know, Hey, when was it sent? And you can, you always know if it was received with standard email protocols when you send it, you know, Hey, the landed in their inbox or spam at least. And if that's not enough, I don't know.
I thought it was an interesting is it's a great feature that they added.
Fabio: [00:23:27] it is, and it's not the only one. I think that is quite cool. so I I've been using superhuman for some time and I have a love, hate relationship with it. I hate the, the high price point. I think it's pointless. the apps are really terrible. They lazy, and I might be unfair here, but they look like lazy electric wrappers of a, of a website.
And, Hey, it's even worse than that. So, Hey, it's horrible. So I use just a website because it's a [00:24:00] lot nicer to use than the desktop pop for hae, but electronic is a weird mix and it slows down. So. I have about 16,000 emails or whatever in my business account. And I've tried to do the full, like inbox zero at the end of the day.
And only because I, I was introduced to superhuman. did you go through the process of having that guy explained to you stuff? Yeah. So I went through that same process and then I was like, Oh no, man, you got so many emails. Let me archive all of them and let's start from scratch. So there was good for a while.
And then I could see. I want you to see the beautiful background picture that you got at the end of the day, when you sort of moved all the emails around and rescheduled the replies and whatever. But to me became a very, almost like OCD process of, Oh, I know I've got five emails on my list. I need to remove them because it's not inbox zero anymore.
And it added to the pressure of. almost like a, to do list [00:25:00] or I need to finish those tasks before my day, my, my day ends. one thing that I don't really like about the full inbox, zero, and then, you know, superhuman pushing for that. and, and, and that's why I think, Hey is already quite good with that because they have a constant.
less under your inbox, which is what you've read. So like your past emails, so emails that you interacted with, it's almost like, a history list that you can see what you've interacted, who you interacted with. So it's already cool. And if you have the inbox zero mentality, Then you'd probably go crazy because you always see this email is kind of listed there.
But to me it's great because it's moving me away from that inbox zero or CDNs, there was, almost driving me insane. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so I love that. And then your point about the tracking pixels is great. They had to go out super human as well because. I sent myself an email with super human and it comes up with the same big banner saying [00:26:00] superhuman is tracking you and kind of a big block of tax can do explaining why and why you shouldn't
Till: [00:26:06] think this is so good.
Fabio: [00:26:09] Yeah, it's really cool.
Till: [00:26:10] going to be painful for a couple of months until everybody starts to implement this. And imagine your company who let's say superhuman and then, Oh, 50 people taught me this week as customer service that our emails are being tracked. And it's this big warning.
I think it's gonna, I, I it's good. I like it.
Fabio: [00:26:28] Yeah, I think, yeah, I like it
Till: [00:26:30] And to
Fabio: [00:26:30] And, Yeah, no, sorry. I was going to say just the other features as well is you have the paper trail. So if you have receipts coming in, you can move them to the paper trail. and then you, you, you sort of select emails that you want to answer later. So it's super simple.
So just have answer later or put it aside, put aside emails that maybe you read, but. You know, you don't have to auction them. so these all small inboxes, but visually quite different. So you have to go into specific sections of the app. They're not, [00:27:00] I'm sure they're just tags, but the way that it's represented in Hayes, just quite cool, because you see like a stack of the bottom that emails are postponed to later, then you have a list of paper trail, which has all your receipts.
So yeah, it's really, really quite cool as an idea. I hope it's not going to disappear in a year's time. You know, it's going to be. That system that will grow and get improved month by month.
Till: [00:27:25] Unless they would add IMM suppose I wouldn't want to use it because you a hundred percent locked into the system. This, you cannot move away. And to me, that's worse than Apple
Fabio: [00:27:37] Yes, you are locked in. Definitely
Till: [00:27:39] but with Apple, you could explore it all the day that you could explore emails. I don't know if he can even do that with base camp
Fabio: [00:27:45] you can export inboxes. As the inbox, I think.
Till: [00:27:50] Okay. Okay, cool. Maybe
Fabio: [00:27:52] And then you can forward emails as well. So if you, yeah, if you get anything into the hey.com email, you can [00:28:00] forward it to your Gmail or whatever.
Till: [00:28:01] Yeah. And one thing you mentioned is the need to have inbox zero at night or before the end of the day. And I read a long article, but this lady that got a fitness checkup and it was incentivizing. Huh? To do flights of stairs. And then I think in one night she climbed like 1,050 flights of stairs, or so to have it just, just running up and down because the watch was doing that.
And there was no, no limited. And I do like gamification. And it can also be quite dangerous. Like if you have anxiety because you didn't have inbox zero, I have not inbox zero in months or years, probably years. And it's fine. I just keep five 10 in. There are things I need to check in next week. I didn't see, I didn't need to have it gamified to make my life better because it actually brings me more [00:29:00] anxiety.
Fabio: [00:29:01] Yeah, it does. And does it really matter? I think if you need to reply to something, you can probably have maybe, a label or some one on, so the human, you had a feature, which would remind you later. And the only thing you would do is, would disappear from your inbox and then pop into your inbox again, at that time that you selected and, and you probably do the same.
Yeah. It's just, just that. So it's quite simple. I think to me, that's the only feature that I would use quite often, because I don't want to reply to emails straight away because I'll get distracted
Till: [00:29:32] Yeah. And you conditioning other people that you respond really fast. It's I find it's good to wait a little bit, a couple of hours, at least maybe once a day. Otherwise they expect in some responses.
Fabio: [00:29:45] yeah, that's true. Yeah, absolutely. That's a very good point because then you don't give them the impression that you're always available in three for
Till: [00:29:52] Yeah. So if anybody wants to build a extension for macro S mail to block [00:30:00] trackers or something like that, I would definitely use it. I dealt with Apple is going to implement this for a while. Maybe next year. Maybe.
Fabio: [00:30:09] maybe. Yeah. That's
Till: [00:30:11] I doubt it.
Fabio: [00:30:13] it'd be cool. Plugin.
Till: [00:30:14] it would be sweet and I already exist for Chrome, but I always use native clients.
So speak. Speaking of ideas, you, you sent me this link couple of days ago that you everyday have too silly business ideas that are actually viable just to generate ideas.
Fabio: [00:30:33] Yeah. So I used to be a big proponent of the, the five minute journal. Have you ever heard of that? Yeah, it's quite popular, but it was good in the morning to just have this routine of writing down. Five good things, three good things. And then three things that would like to achieve during the day and then at night, right.
What I achieved and what I didn't achieve and things that stress me out and things like that. It is [00:31:00] quite good. And there are lots of variations of that, but it became sort of a, yeah. Again, if I couldn't do it because of environment changes or maybe you're struggling. It became very stressful and I feel guilty for not completing the five managers every day.
Same way.
Till: [00:31:18] Same thing.
Fabio: [00:31:19] Same thing. Yeah. It's my mind. What can I do? And so, one thing I liked about the five minutes on the door is that you would give me a push of thinking for things to write. Like, I had to sit there and think, and kind of, you know, concentrate on things that I would write and what I wanted to do.
And then I thought. I was going through Reddit not long ago. And people were asking for, ideas in general business ideas to what, what can I do next? You know, that a lot of time during the pandemic and they wanted to start businesses. And I thought, well, ideas are just ideas, right? So you, you, we all have loads of ideas.
It doesn't mean that they're going to [00:32:00] become profitable products. And also, I don't want to go through with anything that comes to my mind. As in, I don't want to make a business by thinking about something and kind of actioning these straight away. You know, there could be really silly ideas. Maybe there will be viable in the future.
and so once this to just force myself to think about stuff and publish it, and I've seen a lot of reactions, I've only started it like a couple of days ago, but I've seen it, lots of reactions from people interacting with my tweets and, Just people coming, you know, tweeting back and saying, Oh, this sounds like that game.
Or it sounds like that film or this already exists, but I don't care. You know, they're just ideas. And, I might have seen them somewhere else, but I can't remember them. So I'm just, I have to think thoroughly, like properly in the morning when I sit there with my phone is like, Oh, I'm going to tweet. And I'm just going to create this long thread of silly ideas.
So that's [00:33:00] what it is. Yeah. So I've kind of went the long way around, but I, to give you a background of where he came from. Yeah.
Till: [00:33:08] And I didn't quite no what you were doing. I liked some of the ideas I've seen so far to me, just want to saw this a little snippet. I thought it would be, I would probably do it in the afternoon and I always pick annoying things throughout the day that I've wished would be different or simpler. And I've never done.
This sounds like a really cool practice, especially if you're scavenging for a new idea. And if it pops into your head three, four days out of the week, something is a bit annoying. There's friction that is not convenient. I like that approach. I'm not looking for a new idea, but that makes sense.
Fabio: [00:33:51] and you know what as well, it's a sort of very low level. Early, outlook to what reactions you [00:34:00] get from people. So you can test a little bit if people are interested in that particular idea. So I, one of those ideas was a product that I always wanted to do, and it's about, I caught and I come up with names as well, by the way.
So the names are really cheesy, but. So I came up with a name for eyedrops and I called this square eyes because it's for eye drops for tech, people like us, that you would have them at the end of your day, or maybe twice a day, just to refresh your, your eyes. We look at our screens a lot and so our eyes get dry and tired.
And so I came up with this idea of what, what about selling boxes and subscriptions of weekly subscriptions of these eyedrops? And I thought I loved the idea. Like I would buy them myself. I was subscribed
Till: [00:34:53] one of these goodie bags that comes, let's say. Every week is pretty, that's a fast pace, but let's say once a [00:35:00] month
Fabio: [00:35:01] maybe once a month.
Till: [00:35:02] things, for people who work from home, who work in an office who work at a, at a computer that, yeah, I I'd be down. I would try one for sure. And then I'm too lazy to cancel and then I get a few more. Yeah, sweet. I like that.
Fabio: [00:35:21] So I posted it and I thought this is going to be way cool. And then nobody actually mentioned about that. So I was thinking, does that mean he's a really terrible idea. People don't really care about buying eyedrops for their eyes. You know, they don't really care about looking after their eyes. but I don't know.
So that's
Till: [00:35:37] it's a whole books, I would do it. It's the $5 shave club it's silly. And it's only from men who have beards or I don't know.
Fabio: [00:35:48] but this could be
Till: [00:35:49] Yeah. I can see
Fabio: [00:35:50] ladies as well. It doesn't matter.
Till: [00:35:53] I've had this conversation with someone else about identifying problems, [00:36:00] seeing something it's usually something emotional, something is annoying me.
This. Particular friend over and over. And they get a text message every day from five different people. And they all kind of want the same thing and his response like, Hey, why don't we build a marketplace for this? Why don't we build an online community? Because if you get five messages every day from different people, why didn't we throw those?
I dunno, 5,000 people that text them every day into marketplace and charge them to use it. Because then they can all talk to each other as opposed to having these brokers in the middle. I hate brokers, worst thing ever. I'm going to actually know lobbyist probably was, but anyway, brokers are just a terrible idea.
They always take a cut for basically doing very little. And I like that idea. I'm going to think about that a bit and maybe. [00:37:00] Maybe I'll just tweet in a response to your tweets, interesting product ideas, and we can get a chain going.
Fabio: [00:37:09] And I can retweet and see what happens. Yeah, that sounds good. and it's, you already have the five messages anyway, so messages coming in. There is already a demand
Till: [00:37:21] exactly.
Fabio: [00:37:21] in a way. Yeah. So, absolutely. That's,
Till: [00:37:25] the whole thing of identifying, I did the same with my plugins when I get more and more emails, people asking me for something and I see a pattern, you turn it into a product or validated
Fabio: [00:37:37] Absolutely. Yeah.
Till: [00:37:39] Yeah. Sweet man.
Fabio: [00:37:40] definitely.
Till: [00:37:41] Should we talk about boring people and sabbaticals?
Fabio: [00:37:45] Yeah, so let's do that. I was going to link it with your anger, angry tweets from the HR. So you touched a very important point in there because I also muted [00:38:00] him and I'm usually in a few other people. I don't want to name them, but there are some quite big people in the tech industry that can be quite angry and negative.
All the time and they just feel like they're shouting, even if it's not all capital, but just the manner that they speak the right on Twitter, it just feels like super, super Chelsea and aggressive all the time. And it causes me stress. And I delay that. So the same way that you said I also block them or mute them, I just want to hear from them again.
so apart from. One thing that I'm quite into is thinking about life is too short for boring people. To me, life is too short for a lot of things. Excuse me.
Oh, sorry. I didn't mute that.
Till: [00:38:47] We can cut it out.
Fabio: [00:38:49] Yeah, no problem. Yeah. My voice was kind of cracking there. yeah, so it's not about. just, yeah, so I said boring people, but it could be any, any type of [00:39:00] person. So someone that gives you anxiety is I'm one eight angry all the time. It's just negative people or people that you don't want to be around.
I wrote that because I was going through stage that day web, I was really annoyed at people or some people. And so there was my first reaction is like, I'm just going to talk about this. so yeah, but also linked to what you said before. I think that's quite important Hartman. And how do you feel about taking time off and time away from this old people?
Cause I know we also spoke in the past about friends and specifically friendships that we have. So you might be all related.
Till: [00:39:36] Yeah, it's easy to block someone like DHH. Who's just screaming into a pillow all day long. Without with people listening. That's easy because it's so intense and easy to judge overwhelming. I saw this other older tweet from novel and he said, find relationship where you naturally being. Hugh makes [00:40:00] the other person happy.
And the other person naturally being the other person makes you happy.
Fabio: [00:40:07] That's nice, but
Till: [00:40:08] There is no friction. Oh
Fabio: [00:40:10] there's no friction, but then I was going to say the other person, maybe he's not. You know, then the natural selves, it could be the angry person.
Till: [00:40:20] well, exactly. If the other person is angry, it does naturally make me happy. Their natural state doesn't make me happy. So I would move away from it. I don't know. Sabbatical it's retreats. You mentioned bill Gates. I think that's all fascinating, but. I think we talked about this previously, the whole pandemic lockdown made me or still is making me contemplate when I get invited for dinner or like someone invited me and I didn't want to make this personal, but someone invited me to something that I've wanted to do to [00:41:00] thing, but don't really want to do it with them because they're it's okay.
It's just okay. And there's no negativity, there's no shelter. There's no stamps and sarcasm and being mean or anything like that. Just I'm not, I didn't feel happy or inspired or even neutral content spending time with them. It's kind of just me.
Fabio: [00:41:33] Is it because they are maybe different people that, from, from you. So
Till: [00:41:37] Different interests,
Fabio: [00:41:39] yeah, exactly different interests. Yeah. So different backgrounds in
Till: [00:41:41] values, different interests. And even that line, I'm still walking on who. Where my liners and who do I want to spend time with? It seems to be important. It seems to really alter [00:42:00] my state on who I spent my time with. Just my, my mindset. You listen to angry tweets and then you get.
Anxiety to me, I get angry. I get angry. I'm like, why, why? I didn't need to get angry at someone that I didn't even know, or a friend that is just, there's always friction and okay. Even with my family without going into the details, but there's someone just, I don't speak with them. I don't, there's no contact because it's either may or there's friction or there's lying and there's just.
It's not, it doesn't build me up. It doesn't make me happy the way they initially are. And I think it's okay because there's enough people who are a good fit or sing you up or build you up or support you. Whatever the saying is, I think there's enough out there that [00:43:00] saying no to the ones that don't it's okay.
Fabio: [00:43:03] Yeah, I like that. And the point about the family. Yeah. I think we all have some, some sort of relatives in. Families that are people that you want to stay away from. Yeah, absolutely. and so I mentioned about bill Gates because I watched a, a documentary on Netflix sometime ago about bill Gates and his lifestyle nowadays retired.
And he does a lot of charity work, with, bill and Melinda Gates foundation. But I. I saw one pause of it, which apparently did for a long time, even when it was working for my art, Microsoft, where he would go on a retreat for 14 days and it will take, a bunch of books. I think about 10 books, whereas personal assistant would find books for him to read.
And he was taking these books with him and stay away from [00:44:00] technology, leaving a cabin in the woods. And just read and take notes. So that way would be immersed into, in his books. And he will learn about that particular subject. I think, during the recording for the documentary, it was going through, sort of like, artificial intelligence and it was reading through these books about AI and, the, the sort of like.
change that AI would make in the world in third world countries and how it could improve that. I might be misquoting that, but that's what I remember from the show. And I found that fascinating that someone saw big and wealthy and so could take away two weeks from his life away from his family and just stay in a cabin in the woods and just read books.
we're not technology whatsoever. And he came up, especially as this very stressful time of my life. and I mentioned this again in the notes because I was having a hard time. There's a lot of stuff going on. And I [00:45:00] don't know if you saw my tweets a few days ago, but I mentioned that in two years of running a fortnight, I only took 10 days of holiday and five days of sick day, sick time off.
And that's me, you know, when you, when you look back. And you think about that, it's just madness because I'm all against, or that hustle culture. I hate that, you know, like they're hustling and working 12 hours a day working seven days a week. I really dislike that. And then in a sort of, I book critical way looking at myself and seeing that I've been working 12 hours days.
And only taking 10 days off in two years is just Martinez. And I'm sort of feeling that now I feel, I don't feel excited about getting up in the morning and doing that work. And we touched that by that point a while ago as well, and in a different podcast, but, is [00:46:00] more pronounced at the moment. He just feels even more.
So I want to get away from doing sort of daily work and. And I was thinking about sabbaticals. I would just want time off, you know, I need to go and relax. and it sort of all connected obviously to stress and not having taken time off and the negative people in my life. And it's a sort of cocktail, that makes me really anxious and angry, at the moment.
So, I can, I can sense myself. I can see myself getting a bit, angry at people and. Yeah, I would jump at the first conflict that I have with people around me. And I know that it's probably all connected to not having it. Time to myself to think and re energized kind of regenerate. and so, yeah, that's sort of the full sabbatical and the full big bill Gates story is kind of all related to that.
And I wanted to ask you as well, you work for yourself and obviously [00:47:00] for clients and the New York products, do you have that. So structure of taking time off and switching everything often, going away from technology or client work or work in general for maybe a week or two. every, every few months, every year, whatever it might be,
Till: [00:47:24] this is a big. That's a big chunk there.
Fabio: [00:47:28] it is a big chunk. Yeah. I'm sorry I went on and on and on, but
Till: [00:47:31] there's so much in there. The first thing for me is I agree with you that's I don't know if you said it or if you just implied it, at least that's what I heard taking time off is super important for health wellbeing, the opposite of anxiety and being sick.
It's amazing that you only took you a few days off in two weeks. I too hear is right.
Fabio: [00:47:56] Yeah.
Till: [00:47:58] Sorry.
Fabio: [00:47:59] Did you don't, [00:48:00] you don't doubt it didn't you? That was talking. You brought me
Till: [00:48:02] no. You said, you said two weeks. No. I was trying to memorize all the things you're saying and the responses because it's such a big chunk. So first of all, I think it's super important to take time off.
I dunno if it's a sabbatical or Saturday and Sunday, no phone, no computer number two that stood out for me is that for me, the idea of blocking out a certain amount of time, and then that's the week you go. I didn't know if that's going to work for me. What I really like is the natural cycle of, for example, on Friday, last week.
I stopped mid day to three o'clock and started to let's say two o'clock. And I started packing all the camping gear because we went camping. We slept at the side of a logging road. It's like, it's, it's a, it's an interesting story. But [00:49:00] I went on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then even Monday and Tuesday, I didn't.
There's like for almost, let's say four days, we didn't really work. I check my emails, responding to a customer here and there very little. And I do have the skill to where. I want to be productive. I want to do things every day, all day long. I wish I had 36 hour days, but only me. We talked about this before as well.
I, I want to dry forward. I want to hustle. I want to, I need to do more. If not, I don't feel good about myself for not showing up or not moving forward, but I also recognize that there's these waves. For example on Saturdays Sunday, Monday just didn't feel inspired. And Monday morning I come back to my desk.
I want to work and there's just no drive, no, no inspiration, no idea in me. What if you even want to work on? So I only did. What's absolutely [00:50:00] necessary and then picked up packages and talent and clean the cow, the things around the house, because I just didn't have to drive. So for me, I like those natural cycles and they just seem to come naturally from burned out.
Or if I'm just one down or just lack the inspiration, I just don't do anything. I never force myself. Oh, I have to do this. And I even, this is a super privileged. Approach because I spend many, many years I reject any kind of deadlines. Someone makes a deadline without me agreeing to it in the first place.
Oh yeah. We want to launch at the end of July. And then tell me about it afterwards. I'm like, I know. And sometimes even lie to them and say, Oh no, it takes me at least another month. I refuse to accept deadlines. And that allows me to do those natural cycles. And if I'm just, when I'm sick, Which I rarely am, but when I'm sick or just not inspired, I don't want to work [00:51:00] because then the work becomes just, I have to slave away in half the, and it's just, and I don't want to do that.
I want to show at my desk and something, most mornings, I'm quite excited to work on this one piece now, because I will go with this natural cycle. Sounds a little bit. Woohoo. Hippie.
Fabio: [00:51:17] No, it sounds amazing.
Till: [00:51:19] That's how I like to work. And. I think there's still something in blocking out. Whether it's two weeks, that's quite a, you know, a huge, a big amount.
But on Sunday, I think one of them is we're tearing down the cap and it just. Putting my, my little airports and listen to podcast. And then my girlfriend starts yelling at me why she said no technology. I can't imitate her. It, she shouted at me for listening to a podcast, just like, Hey baby. Don't [00:52:00] Hey, it's a technology free weekend.
And I just took them out. And. Tore down the camp without having to listen to podcasts. And there I am sure there's value in it. I can't put my finger on it, but I do like having someone else around who doesn't work with technology all day long to remind me to just go for a walk or just sit by the Lake and leave my phone in the car or not be connected.
So does that answer all these questions?
Fabio: [00:52:34] Yeah, it does. There was a point that I was editing the podcast, I think one or two podcasts and go, and you, you obviously have to re listen to everything. And you mentioned something that I really enjoyed. And you said that. you have the sort of sprints where you work for a certain amount of time because you feel energized and then maybe for two or three days.
And I know you sort of mentioned [00:53:00] the already here. but I really liked listening to that piece of podcast, of recording. And then you said, okay, maybe for three days, I just want to play right at redemption. just do that without worrying. Oh, was it
Till: [00:53:13] it was three weeks. Yeah.
Fabio: [00:53:16] Okay.
Till: [00:53:17] But overall I had, even, this was the biggest one. It was really challenging because I had, I want to say March and April. It was at least two months, maybe even three with did not feel inspired. And usually it's a week at the very most, usually it's two or three days and it's fine.
I have to the juices back, but that was a big one. And yeah, that's what I meant with the natural cycle.
Fabio: [00:53:46] okay. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. And it's great because you can then in a way, take that time away without, I don't know, without giving any issues to [00:54:00] coworkers or anybody else that will probably
Till: [00:54:03] And that's what I'm in with the privilege. I, most people probably can't do this. A few, a few people have the luxury of doing it because, cause I don't, I refuse deadlines. I don't want to be tied down by employees and like this having to, I engineered my entire life so I can be lazy. Beep. Does that make sense?
I want to have this ultimate freedom and to me that as really wealthy. So another, probably enough, all of you tweet where real wealth is. You can take time off to spend with your family or go do the things you want to do and work on the things that you want to work and pay other people to work on the things you don't want to work on.
And it resonated with me.
Fabio: [00:54:52] yes. And you know, this is, this might go into more of a deep level, but I've realized, people around me, part of my [00:55:00] family that had this sort of mentality of hardworking Valley, seeing the families. And just constant being available for the boss. So always available at work weekends in or included all the kinds of stuff.
And then over the years, they started getting sick because of either old age or things that happened health wise, and then some of them passed away or some of them are going through, you know, various stages of sickness and it just feels so sad because. You know, looking back at the life, you realize that what did you do?
You know, it was all for someone else. Like, so someone else, so the boss would get richer. And so they will never spend time with our families. And, and it just feels so close to home that when someone. Then tells me, Oh, you need to do this because we need to make more money. Or, you know, there's a deadline because we set that, [00:56:00] that line without telling you, and you know, this is all about us and all about you.
We don't care about you. It just feels like I do get really aggressive because I feel retouched by what has happened in my own personal life. Then the other people have to tell, tell me what to do. It just feels super conflicting. And so, yeah, I'll definitely, I definitely see your point and I like your.
And I never thought about that as well about the, the wave of creativity in a way. And also you not going with other people setting deadline, because it's up to you to tell them when it's going to be done, rather than done them, telling you, telling
Till: [00:56:36] Yeah, and it touches on the whole time management thing. For example, my
Fabio: [00:56:40] he does.
Till: [00:56:42] is blocked out half of the day and other people can book themselves in, but I have slots for it and I can turn it on off auto selling. So it's so fine, but other people I'm in charge of my time and I don't ever want other people to, to, to just claim my [00:57:00] time. Does that make sense or decide on, Oh, this is what you're going to do the next three weeks, or
Fabio: [00:57:08] Is very
Till: [00:57:08] Yeah. Boca with that say all of Monday, just all day sales meetings. I wouldn't want to do that. There's a block of, let's say three hours and either fits or it doesn't fit. And yeah. And the other thing you touched on. If I, I think we also talked about this before, but it's prominent and something. I am learning if I tell someone how to live and they're going to tell me how I should live, behave, talk with both going to be so miserable.
Fabio: [00:57:42] Yes. A hundred percent. Yeah. It shouldn't be even up for discussion unless you are.
Till: [00:57:50] Okay. When you, when you work for someone, it is kind of up for discussion and they just tell you what to do. And I don't know how people do it.
Fabio: [00:57:58] Yeah. And [00:58:00] yeah, I was gonna exactly going to say that because yeah, if you work in an office or with a, with a company you've got managers and bosses and so on, of course. Yeah. They're going to tell you what to do, but then yeah, we chose this lifestyle
Till: [00:58:12] Yeah, and this is, that's how we met to bring this back up. You we've worked on a project together and someone it's one thing to being told when to show up at your office and what to do during the day. But then if someone all to tell you how to do it, touching upon micro-managing is.  choked you out. It's suffocating it's might as well, Joan someone right away.
And it's just a little bit of a step up for me to also having to show up at a certain time and living according to someone else's schedule, as opposed to my own, let's say I went to bed really late. I don't just want to get up at the same time, just because I made this, I want to sleep in the day and maybe I'll work late that day, whatever it is.
I want to be in charge of my own time. And I'm fortunate enough that I designed [00:59:00] my life more or less around that his limits turret, for example, having these sales meetings and other people can just book themselves into my calendar, but that's, I'm also building my business with it.
Fabio: [00:59:12] you brought it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely. No, that's great. and you know, I feel that I feel stronger about this now than I ever did before. Also, because of a show that you recommended and it's a high maintenance
show. It's a weird, but it's so good.
Till: [00:59:29] it's so uncomfortable at times.
Fabio: [00:59:32] it really is, but you know what? I love that full. I don't know, maybe in my, in a Fabio are more like you a little bit. Like I would love to try this sort of lifestyle of, Try substances on the note. That sounds I'm sorry, but you know, like enjoying life in a different way and I'm being kind of free any sounds, probably the more, it's sort of [01:00:00] like a hippie tougher thing to say, but I dunno, I never tried that and I feel sometimes I feel like I missed out on something or I'm missing out or something just to get away from reality a little bit.
Till: [01:00:14] Let me tell you.
Fabio: [01:00:16] Yeah, exactly. And I know, I know I am and the show, it just feels so cool. Like all these kinds of like happy going people and. I don't know. I don't want to spoil it too much for people that have never watched a show, but at the moment, I'm on the stage where he's got that RV and he goes around. Yeah.
It's like, you can see this nice lakes and kinda like the countryside and he's just living his life, you know, without any worries whatsoever. And he just feels like, Oh, I want to be that guy. I just want to let him just driving around in an RV some way in the country, by the lakes and things and smoking pot.
He just feels, I dunno. Yeah.
Till: [01:00:52] There's a line between madman and Donald Draper working nonstop, being the successful [01:01:00] agency marketing dude and the guy. I think that's his character's name. The guy from high maintenance. Doing nothing, because to me, the show also ends. There's going to be more seasons, but season
Fabio: [01:01:15] but don't, don't spoil it because I'm still season three.
Till: [01:01:18] It's it's ups and downs.
It's not all roses to just smoke weed every day and do nothing. There is a nice in between. And for me, it's more, a lot of Dragan talks a little bit about it. You crank it five days a week. Or whatever your schedule is five days a week, really hot. And then you I'm doing an quartz party on the weekend. I didn't like to party, but for me to get stoned out of Havana Saturday night, I was so high.
I live in Canada. It's legal. I was,
Fabio: [01:01:50] I ask you a favor Flores, interrupt. Next time. Can you send me a prerecorded video or
Till: [01:01:56] Like of myself, just talking to you.
Fabio: [01:01:58] yes, [01:02:00] please.
Till: [01:02:00] Well, maybe I'll have her call it. Sometimes I have these conversations with my friend, the rich. They're golden. And I just want to put the phone down, maybe get a little nice mic for my phone saying when you just, when you send me the hey.com invite code, I was having lunch with the sky and we talked about really interesting things and there was a solid 90 minute conversation.
I wish I had just recorded it. We just put it on here.
Fabio: [01:02:25] but will you? Hi.
Till: [01:02:26] no, I mean, I had a little bit of caffeine. I had some
Fabio: [01:02:29] Oh, that's okay. Yeah. I just had some as well, but yeah. Yeah.
Till: [01:02:33] And it's, I can tell you one little thing. That's whenever we do these, I'm just going to call them meditation retreats. And I don't want to go this all great people. I would also hippy and fluffy.
I don't know, really. Everybody's just praying and all of this and new age stuff. And I sit there and then I. [01:03:00] Meditates equites again here and there still sit there for, let's say an hour until the meditation effects kick in and all of this whole, this feeding of, Oh, I kind of want to work. Don't want to be here.
I don't want to just want to maybe. Go upstairs and sleep or go crawl into my bed suddenly goes away because the effects kick in. And then I have such a blast for the next five to seven, eight, nine hours, depending on what the meditation technique is. And I'm so happy. And then the next morning I've plus I get to sleep and snuggle into my bed and fall asleep and be all happy and feel fuzzy and warm inside.
But I also get to explore myself and the things I don't want to see or feel don't want to confront, [01:04:00] maybe reconcile with actions I took or behavior ways. I acted with other people in the last month or two or three or six, depending on the cyclist and reconcile that and forgive myself or forgive other people.
And. Like a spring cleaning, but for your emotions and mind and all of those things. And there is this the same thing when I take time of work, because I didn't feel inspired. It's still going along and there's a bit of like a tension in the backgrounds, same with doing meditation and cheats. But then it also billows out of the way and you get so high from the meditation and it's so amazing.
And there was all your friends and everybody's just singing together to me. It's I love it. And if anybody ever tells you, Oh, you're not missing out. They're wrong. They're not doing it right. [01:05:00] And. Yeah, it's it makes a difference. And even some, we, we, we went camping with too, with two friends we have, and they've got two kids, kids at bed in bed.
Yeah. It's maybe 11 and I got so stoned. It was almost a bit. I broke through the portal. If I can say this, usually when stoned, I just lose it and fall asleep and I'm kind of useless eye contact, but I was awake and hyper active and it was just some hybrids. I think it was Endeca hybrid thingy. And I had a fantastic conversation with my friends.
Oh, with the, with the two with the other couple and, and my girlfriend and we just had a long conversation. Yeah. Connected. It was a VDB gut, but on the weekend, not every night during the week or all the time. It's
Fabio: [01:05:58] Yeah. It's quite sensible.
[01:06:00] Till: [01:06:00] And the guy who just has. His Havi and all he does a smoke weed every day. It would, wouldn't be, it wouldn't work for me.
And same Donald Traber working all day long. Doesn't work. There is a, I think the 80, 20, maybe it's the 80, 20 principle or 70, 30, whatever the weekdays are. It makes sense to take two days, you know, Friday night and Saturday and relax and reward yourself and then hustle during the week. That seems to work for 
Fabio: [01:06:31] me.
This is very well put together. I think I love that. I love listening to that. I can even see the images in my mind. 
Till: [01:06:39] Record myself.
Fabio: [01:06:41] please, if you have some inspiring conversation, even if it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, I just want to see you or hear you, talking about stuff. I'm sure it'd be so fun. Yeah. So.
Till: [01:06:53] it. Some people, when I listened to Joe Rogan and he has a comedian friend or some MMA fighter, [01:07:00] usually it, if people hate it, I love it. I find it fascinating when they just go down these rabbit holes and they can, I understand exactly what the mind is going and how high that to me, it's very entertaining, but it can see the, to other people.
So I'll, I'll make sure I'll send you a video next time. I'll just record it.
Fabio: [01:07:19] even like a five second something just saying something and just, yeah. Did you, did you watch it talking about Joe Rogan? Did you watch the one where Elon Musk was there and there was marketing together?
Yes.
Yeah, there was, there was great. I think there was such a good interview. Yeah. So I can, yeah, I know what you mean.
Till: [01:07:39] to get to know such a weird dude.
Fabio: [01:07:44] Smoking pot, just talking fandom stuff. Yeah. That's that's so cool. Talking about aliens though. midnight gospel. So you mentioned about that.
Till: [01:07:55] were going to say us there what's a, that they walk among us. What else did [01:08:00] the ex filed saying? The truth is out there. That's it?
Fabio: [01:08:05] Oh, yes.
Till: [01:08:06] is out there. I don't think aliens are real. Well, I think this life in the universe, I just had this conversation with a friend that there has to be life in our galaxy, definitely in the universe.
Probability is just too high. Even our galaxy that there must be life, but because there is even an hour Milky way, galaxy there's so many stars and solar systems with inhabitable planets. An overwhelming amount. It speaks to the whole great filter thingy paradox.
Fabio: [01:08:44] by the way for the listener till is not smoking anything at the moment. They're just talking about aliens.
Till: [01:08:51] I'm just talking about probability. The, because there's so many inhabitable planets in our solar system. [01:09:00] Then there should be Allianz. There should be other intelligent life forms that we probably hopefully can recognize. I mean, I guess we have whales and dolphins and octopi octopuses. So maybe that, I mean, they're definitely here but on other planets, but because there should be so many, I think it's way more likely that there is none than the irony. And it's sad to me. I hope this Allianz. I hope as people in spaceships that can fly here and I can go with them. I would like that. I have this agreement with my girlfriend that.
We watched the long star chick. We watched a long star Trek episode where they came to this planet and the planet is kind of falling apart. There's a big volcano erupting or something like that. And to go down there and they want to, there's a primitive little tribe of human odds, and then they helped him. Move to different parts of kind of where they [01:10:00] can survive and still live and not escape. But if one of the people kind of can see behind the curtain and they, he finds out that, Oh, they're being moved because they're trying to do this under the blanking. What's the prime directive. So you never interfere with other people on planets, but this one guy finds out that.
There's Allianz in Sutton. He works on a spaceship or something like that. And me and my girlfriend, we pause the show and we talked about it of what would you do if you know, at night we live in the middle of nowhere. I go outside and you pee and there's a spaceship going down and they're like, Ooh, dang it.
You saw us. Okay. So just so you know, here's the deal. You can come with us, but we won't come back to planet earth and. 70 or 50 years of some, some large amount and you can come with us, but we won't come back to this part of the galaxy and 50 years, or you can go back and, [01:11:00] you know, sleep, but nobody will believe you.
And so my girlfriend, yeah, I have to say that if I disappear, I am went with the spaceship. And we had this long discussion still. We go, what happens to all family? What happens to our relationship, which is maybe not as impactful as our parents, suddenly you just, your, your children are gone. The data did not die.
It's it's an interesting philosophical discussion. I said, I'm definitely going to go because it's a once in a lifetime opportunity to be on a spaceship with Allianz and flying through the universe. she wouldn't want to go, but. If I ever disappear, she knows. I went with the aliens was a little tense.
I love star Trek for that. It's such a, just the next generation. I think it's one of the best shows ever made and it's worth rewatching, even in 2020, just showing Pika. It's. He's amazing. And. The midnight gospel, you know, this kind of conversation you and I having here, or [01:12:00] me rambling, whatever it is. The midnight gospel is basically that it's someone who is doing way too many psychedelics records, podcasts with other people who do too many drugs or a very new age.
And then they put it into a cartoon and put a Netflix. And it's, it's quite fascinating. It's really out there. And I feel on a personal, I feel ashamed inside that I fully understand what they're talking.
Fabio: [01:12:31] I've not seen it yet. I've only saw maybe the intro of like the first
Till: [01:12:35] Yeah. But
Fabio: [01:12:36] and I was a little bit confused.
Till: [01:12:37] episodes and see, see what you, if you like it. It's interesting. It's, it's an interesting concept.
And what I wanted to say, why I put this in the notes here? Is that so recording real? Authentic or integral podcast conversations. There is no fake, there is no trying to sell something, recording these, [01:13:00] these podcasts, and then turning them into entertainment. Whether it's a cartoon or a podcast, I think it will be the future of entertainment or at least a big chunk that instead of having a writer's room and coming up with these ideas and storylines, what if you just have conversations?
And you turn them into a T a TV show. And if you look at high maintenance, it's kind of there in a way
Fabio: [01:13:30] In a
Till: [01:13:30] going, it's going to whatever. And it's an old show. I dunno. I think they started making it in 2008 or along those
Fabio: [01:13:37] Yeah. I watched it right from the beginning. I'm half way there, but I still, you can see the transition from like, sort of really old to like more
Till: [01:13:45] Yeah. And every episode is a different storyline, a different experience, a different
Fabio: [01:13:50] That's what I love, like new people all the time.
Till: [01:13:52] so good and real. It's not the rosy. Everything's fine. [01:14:00] It's more people who use cannabis to deal with life.
Fabio: [01:14:06] Yeah. I agree.
Till: [01:14:08] So if you want to sponsor us HBO,
Fabio: [01:14:12] well, Netflix, yeah, having this us turning took us here and I think that will be quite fun as well,
Till: [01:14:22] if someone else illustrates it.
Fabio: [01:14:25] Yeah, exactly. And tell our stories in a cartoon way. Yeah, that'd be quite cool.