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Thursday morning, December fourteenth, twenty

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twenty three. It is the Beating the Book podcast,

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week number fifteen

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in the National Football League. It's Gil Alexander

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live from bar Canada at the d with

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our regular staples on the show from his

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mom's I don't know where's that. It's not as cork

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Attic anymore. That looks like a beautiful

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downstairs area of his mom's

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house. It's Todd wishnem.

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How you doing, man, I'm

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doing great.

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I'm really not growing tired of

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the constant talk of where I'm doing

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the show from.

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But thank you, Gilly.

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I just said I was doing it from bar Canada. Why can't

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I say where you're doing it from?

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You can? You can say whatever you want? Gil, This all

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did.

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We're off to We're off to a ratings

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start. Will Hill joins us, how you

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doing, Willie?

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Gilly? What's going on?

0:51

It's only a few weeks left,

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so this is not

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the prettiest slate ever, but this is

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This is life in the NFL of twenty twenty three.

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Sou By the way, Todd wishev

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at t weshnev t wish nev t

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w I s h n E v on Twitter,

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star of the Showtime Docuseriies Action and Will

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Hill at not the Will Hill. That's two

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e's and thee who's also on the bear Bets

1:13

podcast. Chris Felika is a college in pro football

1:16

podcast which he does every week.

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Have you enjoyed doing those podcasts? Will this

1:20

year?

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No?

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It's horrible, it's the worst. No, it's a lot of fun.

1:23

I really enjoy it.

1:24

Of course, it's like I

1:26

said, football season only a month left. You

1:28

just you get into the rhythm. You start like late August,

1:30

rough September, you look up and it's December.

1:31

It's kind of a bummer.

1:32

It's definitely gonna be avoid you know, once you get to

1:34

the playoffs, which is like what month away,

1:36

not.

1:37

Out our way.

1:37

It's a different feel where it's just a couple of games

1:39

a week. You sort of beat the same games to death. It's

1:41

a different vibe when you don't have that full

1:44

regular NFL Sunday, which to me is the best,

1:46

that three thirty four to thirty Eastern where all the games

1:48

are ending, the late

1:50

ones are starting. You don't get that during the playoffs.

1:53

As great as the playoffs are, I really like the Sunday,

1:55

NFL regular season.

1:56

Well, I wild card weekend, Division

1:59

round week are still cool, but it's

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after that, right like after the division where it's

2:03

like, oh my god, there's only three games left period.

2:05

That's sort of the depression sinks in. But

2:08

you know, by that time we'll have the Australian Open, so for the

2:10

tennis hardos, we'll be on a something else and

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joining us today, which I hope is

2:14

an annual appearance. I did one of those terrible

2:17

things on radio where while on air

2:19

with him doing an interview, I'm like, hey, Pritch.

2:22

Can you do the megapod next week?

2:24

Next week, which put him in this horrible position

2:26

where even if he wanted to say no, he's

2:28

like, I'll take a pass, Gil.

2:29

Thanks. He kind of just politely said,

2:31

yes, it's Mike Pritchard. Everybody.

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He has a former number one

2:36

excuse me, pardon me, first round draft pick

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of the Atlanta Falcons in nineteen ninety one, and

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of course a national champion at Colorado

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back in the day.

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How you doing, Pritch, Gil,

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I am fantastic.

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By the way, man, you could ask me anytime,

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I would always say yes, man, I'm looking forward to

2:51

this, this pod for a

2:54

while, and certainly it's

2:56

been a minute since I've been on it, But happy

2:59

to be with you guys today.

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And the nicest guy you'll ever meet. See see

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what I mean, the nicest guy.

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You'll ever merit

3:05

before we before we get into anything else, because I had

3:07

jury duty yesterday and I know you were on a numbers game.

3:11

We were talking.

3:12

Everybody was talking this week about the Chiefs

3:15

and Kadarius Tony lining up off sides

3:17

and how it negated that amazing play from

3:19

Mahomes to Kelsey back to Tony that

3:22

would have possibly won the game for the Chiefs.

3:25

The other night. I saw Dan Orlovsky

3:28

on ESPN a couple nights, a

3:30

couple of days ago.

3:31

So this is, you know, everybody had sort of the same

3:33

opinion of, oh, you know, Patrick Mahomes and

3:35

Andy Reid, as great

3:37

as they are the Hall of Famers, that they both are

3:39

the future Hall of Famers, that they both are as

3:42

great as they are, they were wrong in being

3:44

so angry at the officials that Tony was offsides

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and that's the end of the story. Orlovsky

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did this thing where he's like, yeah, but like, look at these other

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three plays earlier in the game. He is also

3:53

offside on all of those, So

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there is a legit question of why they

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decide to call it. Then do you because

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someone was because Kelly was telling me that you had

4:02

a similar kind of opinion on that?

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Is that true?

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Yeah, it's one thousand percent. I mean, first

4:08

of all, there's so many layers of this. I mean, I think

4:11

what people need to realize if they can't

4:14

it is football is such an emotional game.

4:18

You put so much into it. It's a build

4:20

up for.

4:20

A big fight, right, but you normally

4:22

have months for that, but this is each and every week

4:25

that you have this build up physically and mentally,

4:27

emotionally, and to

4:30

think that you want a game and then all of a sudden it's

4:32

taken away from you in this fashion. I

4:35

can excuse Andy Reid, I can excuse Patrick

4:37

Mahomes for that. In fact, I love the passion.

4:40

I love the fact that they want they were willing to call

4:42

out the officiating because everybody

4:44

wants to write and so I know, I get it.

4:46

People want to come down hard on those guys,

4:49

but it's hard to understand unless

4:52

you're in their shoes about what's invested

4:54

right and what's on the line. Now, the

4:56

officiating has been really

4:58

really poor this gear. I

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think, yeah, I mean

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it's so if you're not calling it, and Dan

5:06

did a great job, If you're not calling it throughout

5:08

the whole game, why call it

5:10

under two minutes of a football game when

5:12

you know that you have Patrick

5:15

Mahomes on one side and you have Josh Allen

5:17

on the other side. As an official, you know

5:19

that it's no different than

5:22

having Lebron James out there and you know, Kobe

5:24

or somebody like that, or so or two superstars

5:26

whoever, just take pick, take a pick. You

5:29

know that these few teams

5:32

or certainly two players are capable of battling

5:34

this out, and yet you really

5:36

are gonna call that right then and there. It's tiki

5:39

tak Now, I get it. People saw he was

5:41

way off size. You know, it was blatant.

5:43

It was so obvious. Well so was holding.

5:46

So is you know, legal contact down

5:48

the field, But they don't call it because of the competitive

5:51

nature of the game. A lot of times, I mean, if they called

5:53

every single penalty gial, uh,

5:55

those games would be four and a half almost

5:58

five hours, right right right, So

6:01

I think in an official

6:03

wasn't wrong Okay, you got to call it. You're gonna get greted.

6:05

Maybe you're trying to get to the super Bowl with the grades

6:07

and and all that's on the line. I get that,

6:09

but you got to understand the moment,

6:12

and certainly that was not so egregious

6:15

to where it's going to affect the outcome that

6:17

he was a couple of inches off side, So get

6:20

the warning, and if Tony doesn't back

6:22

up, then throw the flag. But at least he warned the guy

6:24

prior throughout the game.

6:26

Yeah, it's just an interesting different

6:28

perspective because all of us had the same thing, like,

6:30

hey, you know, love you guys, but you're

6:32

wrong for bashing the officials. But it

6:34

was interesting to go through that. You

6:36

know, what do you learning in kindergarten? Two wrongs don't

6:38

make it right. I guess in some sense this is Orlovsky

6:41

saying, well, four wrongs ought to make

6:43

a right. You know, Like, I don't know what the thing

6:46

is, but I get it if you didn't

6:48

call it.

6:49

That way earlier than wyre clink.

6:50

Because I am one of these people who's I hate when

6:53

people say you know.

6:54

What I don't like is when people say, oh, you.

6:56

Know, you can't call that at the end of a

6:58

game like Will and I made merciless

7:01

fun of brock Osweiler when there was a

7:03

rivalry game between Florida

7:05

and Florida State where he's like, you can't throw the

7:07

flag on that interference. It's a rivalry game.

7:09

Like I hate when they come to that brain dead

7:11

thing. But this is not bad if

7:13

you're saying, well, you called it one way the

7:16

whole rest of the game, so I

7:18

think it's it's kind of an interesting different perspective

7:20

on it anyway.

7:21

You know, I had a question one more.

7:23

Yeah, okay, yep, go.

7:24

Ahead, Tom.

7:25

Did they ever show when the guy

7:27

drops the flag? I never saw that on

7:30

video. Does he drop the flag right

7:32

away as the play is starting, or does

7:34

he.

7:34

Drop the he did?

7:35

Yeah, yeah, he did?

7:37

Oh yeah, Okay. The

7:39

other thing I.

7:39

Just wanted to say, the problem with the football

7:42

is, like you said, they can call this

7:44

on every single play, So it's

7:46

impossible to do a true analysis

7:49

of anything unless you analyze every

7:51

single play. It's like it's like whatever your

7:53

news thing is, you can always come up with some

7:56

bad news about whatever group you want

7:58

to say bad news about, right, you

8:00

can always find that.

8:01

So if there it's the same thing with a football game.

8:03

There's always something to call,

8:06

and if you don't do the full analysis

8:08

on the entire game, you can't say it.

8:10

So yeah, it was nice that a Rolovski did that.

8:12

I like that, you said, Paul Todd, that

8:15

you go, I love the problem with the football, the

8:18

problem with the football.

8:21

I will say two things. Go ahead,

8:23

well, yeah, yeah, just just quickly.

8:26

These refs get enough crap when they get the calls

8:28

wrong. I don't think we can give them a hard time when they get a call

8:30

right.

8:31

Yeah.

8:32

And the other thing is Todd and it's hard enough to say,

8:34

hey, not only you have to officiate and what's right, what's wrong?

8:36

But now you just determine, Hey, that's the right call. But

8:38

now is not a situation a call.

8:39

Either call it or you don't. You can't this gray

8:41

area, you shouldn't call it.

8:42

I'm glad they called it, first of all, I'm

8:45

glad they called it.

8:46

If you're if you don't want to get called, don't stand

8:48

off sides. And that's the other.

8:49

There's nothing that annoys me more than

8:52

guys who line up off sides, or in basketball,

8:54

when a guy's on the wing and they throw him

8:56

the ball and he hits a three pointer and

8:58

they go whoopsies.

8:59

Out of How hard is it to stay

9:02

it? God damn bound. I

9:04

played basketball my whole life. I was never

9:06

out of bounds on.

9:07

The It's infuriates,

9:09

It's true, Rich go

9:12

ahead, Well I'm sorry before it go.

9:14

Tod Makesure said this on Rissell's pot. I thought it was so

9:16

simple and so perfect. He said, Look, Tony makes

9:18

four million dollars a year. Lineup on sides.

9:20

It's not that hard. You're not even catching the ball. You're

9:22

dropping balls left and right. The least you can

9:24

do is just line up on sides for four million

9:26

bucks a year. Lineup where you're supposed to line up.

9:28

Well, pritch, isn't that what Why isn't that wide

9:30

receiver one on one?

9:32

You see where the ball?

9:33

Well yeah, yeah, well absolutely.

9:35

I mean everybody's right. I mean, and that's the thing. Everybody's

9:37

right. And it's like, Tony is

9:39

not a wide receiver. He's getting paid four million

9:42

to be a gadget guy. He's

9:44

not a true wide receiver. And that's why he didn't

9:46

line up correctly throughout that

9:49

entire game. You know, just one more

9:51

layer to it, fellas, it's the

9:53

heightened nature of when it happened to like

9:55

right, like, if Tony was off

9:58

size in the second quarter, does

10:00

that affect the game? No, it doesn't,

10:03

but it's because it's under two minutes. It's

10:05

the heightened nature of the situation that

10:07

has garnered so much attention. And

10:10

therefore, like, okay, if you're official and

10:12

it's the heightened nature. I mean, the game is on the line,

10:15

and yet you're gonna make that call to

10:17

me. That's that's what this

10:19

boils down to, more so than Tony

10:22

is in upt in terms of knowing how to line up, and

10:24

you know, pack Mahomes was so on a temper tangrum,

10:27

he's so emotional. I mean, all those stuff for ancillary

10:29

compared to the fact of the heightened nature

10:32

of when this foul occurred.

10:34

Yeah, Well, I just wanted to get your perspective because

10:36

you've actually been there, and I think it's an interesting one.

10:39

Wasn't as cut and dry, perhaps as I'm as I

10:41

made it out to be on the show on Tuesday

10:44

morning or Monday morning rather okay,

10:46

Todd Court stenographer records

10:49

update, By the way, did

10:51

you enjoy did did you enjoy being with Brent last

10:53

week? By the way, Todd, did you appreciate the fact that

10:55

we were doing a show with the legend like Brent Muss

10:58

Murder.

10:59

I mean, I would have been here with Bob Costas, but

11:01

it was okay, wow, wow.

11:07

Look in the eighties I grew

11:09

up on the AFC on NBC

11:11

with Brian Gumble or Bob

11:14

Costas, not the NFL today

11:16

on CBS with Brent

11:18

IRVD and Jimmy the Greek. We're in AFC

11:21

Pittsburgh, and that we didn't

11:23

watch that CBS crap with them cowboys

11:25

in that Okay. So that's why I

11:28

like, I have an you know, affection more

11:30

for NBC stuff of

11:32

the eighties. I mean, I love Brent, but I'm just

11:34

saying, I mean.

11:35

It makes sense.

11:36

I was I was a Skins guy, right obviously, so

11:38

we were at a n FC house, You're right, and

11:40

so like Briant Gumble and the whole

11:43

NBC side of things was was always

11:45

those guys to us, right for sure?

11:48

Yeah? All right?

11:49

Awesome?

11:49

Yeah, an update.

11:51

We didn't update for two weeks because

11:53

I forgot to bring the thing downstairs.

11:54

Last week Gilly had a.

11:56

Three and oh two weeks ago

11:59

his one of his myriad three and o's

12:01

this week and then last week had a substandard

12:04

one and two, but yet he

12:06

stays at a incredibly

12:08

lofty twenty seven fourteen

12:11

and one, probably his best

12:13

job ever here on the Megapod since

12:15

I've been involved with it. He

12:18

also is eight and six

12:20

on teasers, a bit substandard, but okay.

12:23

Well, Will is now

12:25

at twenty two and twenty after

12:27

a two and one last week, and

12:29

he moves to nine and five with his

12:31

teaser win. I went

12:34

two and one last week as well to go to twenty one

12:36

nineteen and two, also

12:38

a teaser win, to go to ten and four

12:41

and lead the most important category of

12:43

course, the teaser category.

12:44

And then of course the guest group

12:47

is pretty.

12:47

Much the only group left that can probably catch

12:50

Gilly at twenty three, sixteen

12:52

and three. Brent had a one to one

12:55

and one last week and went to

12:57

nine and five on teasers.

12:58

So Mike, the pressure is on.

13:01

You need to get us three ws so we can

13:03

catch Gilly and he doesn't get to be the winner

13:05

this year.

13:06

All right. I love pressure. My whole

13:08

life has been about pressure. I love it.

13:10

Still still still time for me to mess

13:12

this up. By the way, still plenty of time

13:14

for me to mess this up, by the way.

13:16

I just do in game before we go. Sorry,

13:18

well, where are you gonna say?

13:19

Well?

13:19

No, I just want to say my losing pick might

13:21

be the worst pick in the history of the megapot. I had under

13:23

thirty one and a half Jaguars Browns. Both

13:26

teams almost went over by themselves. I thought Lawrence

13:28

would be hurt.

13:28

Why the wad be bad? None of that was true.

13:30

Lawrence was fine, the weather was fine, and

13:32

yeah that was It's hard to have a worse pick than

13:34

under thirty one and a half in a game.

13:36

You know what, Well, if you if you're going to lose

13:38

one though, lose it that way.

13:40

Just getting right, yeah, just

13:42

get this. It still

13:44

only counts as one. All right, Todd, what's

13:46

your in game?

13:48

Okay? I got two?

13:49

I got two quick in games to do they're pretty

13:51

very similar. H This

13:53

past week on the Monday Night football,

13:56

we had Danny DeVito at the quarterback

13:58

position.

13:59

He ran he ran

14:01

the what's it called the run option? You

14:03

told me.

14:04

Before you the reread option,

14:06

the read option always where they where they do it in

14:08

college, where they put the ball in the running backs

14:11

belly would wait for the defensive end

14:13

either crashed down or not, and then run.

14:14

He did it a bunch of times in the first half.

14:16

He had five carries at halftime, and

14:18

you could see if you're watching the game that

14:21

day, Ball had told him and made

14:23

part of the game plan, we're going to run de Vito.

14:26

Maybe he's not the greatest thrower, but we're going to

14:28

run.

14:28

At halftime, I looked at what the rushing attempts

14:31

were for de Veto at that point.

14:33

They were at seven and a half rushes.

14:36

He already had five in the first half. They were only saying two and

14:38

a half more in the second half.

14:39

I thought that was ridiculous because they

14:41

already made it clear that he's gonna

14:43

he's going to be running the ball. So I tried

14:45

to get it over seven and a half. It spun on me. I didn't

14:47

get it. They came out at halftime. He

14:50

ran two more times on the first drive. So now

14:52

he's at seven rushing attempts and

14:54

there's still probably, you know, twenty five

14:56

minutes left of the game. They put it up again

14:59

at nine and a half plus one twenty

15:01

five, I said, and at that point, giants

15:03

were winning the game, so I said, I gotta do

15:05

this because they're going to keep running him. And

15:07

on top of that, if they're winning the game, he might

15:09

get a couple of kneel downs as attempts late

15:12

in the game, you know, if they're winning the game,

15:14

which they were. So I took over nine and

15:16

a half. He ended up getting it on the next drive

15:18

with ten and so that's just a perfect example

15:20

of where you're watching the game, you.

15:22

Know, and you're paying attention, you can see things

15:24

in the game plan.

15:26

Also, a very similar one is

15:28

on the same

15:32

see the Dolphins running backs were

15:34

gashing the hell out of Tennessee. They were having a hard

15:36

time throwing it, but they were running like crazy. He

15:39

was thirteen for sixty five five

15:41

yards of carry going to the fourth

15:43

quarter, and it was a close game.

15:46

They put up in between the.

15:48

Third and fourth quarter seventy five

15:50

and a half as the over under only another

15:53

eleven yards. For sure,

15:55

the Dolphins were going to be getting the ball, and for

15:57

sure they were going to be running the balls some more

16:00

in the world was it only eleven and a half more? Probably

16:02

because the algorithm had him for say forty

16:04

five or something pregame and they only put it.

16:06

Up in an additional ten and a half.

16:08

I was like, that's stealing, because most

16:10

are every time they give him the ball, he gashes them.

16:12

So I took the over and that again it

16:14

was a very easy winner.

16:16

So it just I mean a lot of times

16:18

things are much harder than this and in game, but

16:20

sometimes things.

16:22

Are just egregiously obvious. And those are

16:24

two examples.

16:24

Those are great examples.

16:25

By the way, Todd, I haven't mentioned this publicly

16:28

yet, but I know you're part of this.

16:30

There's a Discovery Channel sports

16:32

betting documentary that may happen, and

16:34

in my discussions with them, I refer to you as

16:36

the greatest in game better that

16:38

I know. I'm hyping you up. I'm

16:40

up. I'm big up in you. So you get on this.

16:44

Thank you, Gilly. They haven't called me yet.

16:46

They haven't. Oh, I keep telling him to call

16:48

you. I keep telling them, so that's the guy you want.

16:50

You should also tell them that I'm also the most

16:52

entertaining in game gambler available,

16:54

and that's why I was picked out of the crowd

16:56

of thousands to be on the Showtime

16:58

Action.

16:59

Well, I didn't quite say that.

17:00

What I said was this, he's a renounced Orthodox

17:03

Jew, and I gave the story about how you used

17:05

to watch the sad story

17:07

of how you used to watch sports through

17:09

a store window, which

17:11

I find so heartbreaking. It's child abuse,

17:14

right anyway, I big

17:16

up John, so hopefully they call you here.

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is this for Cocta football game tonight,

17:39

Pritch. How often did you guys use the word for cocta

17:41

in your household growing up?

17:43

I've never Okay, just checking something

17:46

close to that.

17:47

Probably that's right, so

17:50

similar.

17:52

And the reason I say that, by the way I break out the Yiddish,

17:54

is because the Raiders are three

17:56

point favorites against the charges tonight here in Las Vegas,

17:58

the totals at thirty four and a half. The reason that I

18:01

say this is because not only is it Easton

18:03

Stick versus.

18:05

Aidan O'Connell, By the way.

18:07

The Raiders were contemplating a switch

18:09

to either Jimmy g or Brian Hoyer this week, but they're

18:11

going O'Connell. But there's so many

18:13

players like Teenan Allen out

18:16

for the Chargers. And because the Chargers

18:18

are in such a both teams are five and eight. Yes

18:20

they're mathematically both of these teams mathematically

18:23

alive, but really their seasons are done.

18:25

So you wonder if Austin Eckler will get his

18:28

you know, normal workload. And the Raiders,

18:31

I mean, name a player, Josh

18:33

Jacobs, squad DeVante Adams has an illness,

18:35

Max Crosby with a knee. All of these guys

18:37

are questionable. They're left tackle.

18:39

Colton Miller's out, as is

18:42

their center Andre James, and

18:44

you got to back up with you know whoever's

18:46

backing up Colton Miller's gonna have to try to take out Khalil

18:48

Mack. There's just too many moving parts

18:50

right now. The game is tonight where you know how

18:53

many hours before game time? Eight hours

18:55

before the game starts. I don't have anything,

18:58

do any of you guys have anything? On this game

19:00

tonight?

19:01

Under under thirty four and a half

19:03

and these yeah, these primetime overs have made

19:05

a little comeback. I think it's six out of the last seven.

19:08

All the ones on Monday night went over. That

19:10

last Thursday Night Patriots Steelers went

19:13

way over. But I think, look, I mean, this is

19:15

just pretty simple. It's Stick against O'Connell, and it

19:17

might even be Hoyer. I don't think we'll see Jimmy g

19:20

because I think if Jimmy G got if he played

19:22

and got hurt, they all in like twelve million bucks.

19:23

So oh, he can't do that.

19:24

It sounds like O'Connell exactly. Sounds like O'Connell's

19:27

on a short leash. If it's Hoy, Hoyer's an underfest

19:29

because he'll take care of the ball, but he's gonna be no explosive

19:31

plays. Look, I watched more

19:33

of that Vikings Raider game than I want to admit. Nobody

19:35

could even forget scoring, even get in the red

19:37

zone. The Chargers with East and Stick aren't gonna

19:40

be able to move the ball. You worry if the Chargers have just

19:42

sort of given up on this season, say, hey we lost

19:44

to Herbert, We're not going to playoffs, ree Anue coach.

19:46

So to me, this has like thirteen ten sixteen

19:48

thirteen written all over it. Barring a barrage

19:50

of defensive scores. I just don't see how

19:52

we get over the thirty four and a half. So I will go under

19:55

for four of my best bets.

19:56

Okay, there you go. I do think you're doing

19:58

that as the best bet. Yeah, yes, he.

20:01

Is under thirty four and a half

20:03

for Willie.

20:04

I do think Easton Stick, like the running

20:06

props aren't up because of all these players that are out, so they're

20:09

all, you know, correlated

20:11

to other players being available. But like

20:13

I would imagine Easton Stick with Kellen Moore

20:16

having a week to prepare, Easton Stick actually

20:18

ran well, and when he was at North Dakota State, now

20:21

that you have a week to actually game plan for him,

20:23

maybe he like runs a lot in this game.

20:25

That would be my one sort of thought.

20:27

You did have a touchdown driving the second half of he

20:29

did enver he did, which was

20:32

nice.

20:32

That was another thing.

20:34

They were down seventeen, so I took seventeen

20:36

and a half at one place in seventeen at the other

20:38

place and ended up getting lucky with it.

20:40

But he wasn't that bad in the second

20:42

half.

20:42

I mean I almost made this a pick on

20:45

my theory of garbage garbage plus three.

20:48

If you remember earlier in the season, there was a garbage

20:50

garbage game and a three point a dog

20:52

And I love if you're going to take a team

20:54

in garbage garbage, take the points

20:56

garbage plus garbage plus garbage

20:59

add three. So if you I

21:01

almost made it one of my picks, but I didn't. But

21:03

if anything, I lean hard on plus

21:06

three.

21:06

Rich anything on this game or you stand away?

21:09

Yeah, I'm saying away.

21:09

It's actually one of my stay away situations.

21:12

I mean the profile of it stinks.

21:14

Backup quarterbacks versus you know, okay

21:17

defenses, I mean familiarity

21:19

as well on a short week in which these

21:22

guys never really prepare. I mean, if

21:24

at best they do walkthroughs. Right, So

21:27

you got two quarterbacks

21:30

that are you know, ones that are just now going to start,

21:32

but the other one, Aidan O'Connell's been struggling.

21:34

But I will throw this out there. You know, Khalil

21:37

Mack leaves the league in sacks right

21:39

now, and I think he went off against

21:41

the Raiders last time. He's always got that chip

21:43

when he faces the Raiders.

21:45

And then you.

21:45

Got Max Crosby,

21:48

who's climbing the ladder in terms of the sacks

21:50

too. So to me, a lot of guys

21:52

look at incentives, you know, defensive player

21:54

of the years out there, and certainly if you want to be

21:56

all pro, that's out there for these two guys. And these

21:59

two guys are capable of wrecking everything.

22:02

So it's a stayaway situation.

22:04

Like Todd, though, I did consider a

22:07

teaser play with the Chargers

22:09

understanding I could take the point say, have a couple

22:11

of possessions here, but I passed.

22:13

On that one.

22:14

Did you like on Thursday when you had Thursday

22:16

games? Mike?

22:19

You know?

22:21

No?

22:21

Yeah, I was trying to remember we didn't

22:23

have those.

22:24

You didn't have Thursdays.

22:26

Would once in a while

22:28

they would have the Thursday night edition night

22:31

editions, but it wasn't But it

22:34

wasn't regular, that's right.

22:35

It was Yeah, our

22:37

short week with if we had a Monday night game, Okay,

22:39

you're gonna play Sunday, but yeah,

22:41

I couldn't even comprehend what it

22:43

would be like to try to get ready for a game on Thursday.

22:46

Hadn't played Sunday,

22:49

right, and you look how bad the Raiders play,

22:51

I mean, without practice, how are they going to correct

22:53

things, How.

22:53

Are they going to fix things, how they're going to improve with

22:56

walkthroughs. So this

22:59

is stay away game for me.

23:01

I will mention the under I can definitely

23:03

see that situation.

23:05

Did you ever play under a lame duck coach

23:07

like Brandon Staleia's right now for the Chargers?

23:11

You know what, there was rumors about Dennis Erickson when

23:13

I was there. Certainly my last year

23:16

in Atlanta, Jerry was probably

23:18

out out the door Jerry Glanville.

23:20

So yeah, a couple of times, and then

23:22

in fact, in fact, I'm glad you brought

23:24

this up, because this is crazy. When

23:27

I got traded to Denver, Wade Phillips

23:29

was a coach, but then Mike Shanahan became available

23:32

and they got rid of Wade after

23:34

one year. So all

23:36

three stops my coaches

23:38

were in lame duck situations.

23:40

It's crazy. I didn't think about it that way.

23:41

Does that ever get awkward or you just

23:44

professional just played through a practice

23:46

through it like nothing's going on.

23:49

Yeah, I mean I think the

23:51

Jerry Glanville situation, everybody was getting

23:53

the hell out of Dodge in Atlanta. So Dion

23:56

had was leaving, Andre was leaving I

23:58

was a restricted freeze. I was leaving, Michael Haynes leave,

24:00

I mean, everybody was out the door.

24:02

Uh.

24:03

And in Denver it was shocking because we were

24:05

we were just building the team and Wade Phillips,

24:07

who did a good job.

24:08

I mean we were eight and eight, I believe.

24:10

But then when you can have an upgrade with Mike

24:12

Shanahan, I get what Pat Boland did. And

24:15

then the same thing with Dennis Erickson.

24:17

You know, Mike Homegren was rumored to

24:19

be interested in that job, and so if you can upgrade,

24:22

uh, it's part for the course. Like as a player,

24:24

you understand that, Okay, we're upgrading the head

24:26

coaching position, so we're going to be better

24:29

off for it. And in those two situations with Denver

24:32

and certainly Seattle, the teams were

24:35

better off for for those coaching hires.

24:36

Let me try one last one. When Left Eye

24:38

burned down Andre Risen's house at

24:42

all.

24:43

That was freaking awkward. Yes,

24:45

yes, that was crazy.

24:47

I mean I don't know if I ever told you the story,

24:49

but you know everybody lived around Andre,

24:52

uh it with the same kind of neighborhood, right, and you

24:55

know, after the after practice, we're looking

24:57

at this smoke and we're like, man, that

25:00

is kind of close to where

25:02

you know everybody lives, and Okay, what's going on

25:04

over there? And so later on you

25:07

find out what exactly happened, and now was

25:09

crazy. She was the nicest,

25:13

most beautiful girl you would know you

25:15

would love to meet. I never

25:17

thought she was capable of doing something like that,

25:20

but you know, if you

25:22

get driven to some dark places like

25:24

like she did in that relationship, but I guess that can

25:26

happen.

25:26

I met those girls t Bo's Chilian and

25:28

left eye, and they were sweet as

25:30

could be. And they were also like this.

25:33

They were so small. That was the other thing I remembered

25:35

about them. Right, Yeah, anyway,

25:38

is.

25:38

There more to that story? Gill Ors? That you just met

25:40

him?

25:40

And that was just met him? Thanks Will, Thanks

25:42

for checking. Though I just met him. Nothing

25:45

happened to a story.

25:48

All right, let's do bet, Let's do best

25:50

bets.

25:50

I wished there was more than this to the story,

25:52

but there was none.

25:54

All right, Pritch, Your first best

25:56

bet is.

25:59

I love the Bronco, you know, in a situation

26:01

against the Lions. I've

26:04

been, you know, studying the Broncos and

26:06

at the beginning of the year, I

26:09

mentioned that there's going to be a surprise team out

26:11

of the AFC West. You know, Kansas City

26:13

was gonna probably run away with the division. We'll see what

26:15

happens, but that surprise team

26:17

is turning out to be the Denver Broncos with the win

26:20

streak, and a lot has gone

26:22

on, a lot has happened. They

26:24

got rid of guys that they didn't

26:26

necessarily need and certainly were a

26:28

cancer in the locker room. They've

26:30

improved defensively, and then Russell Wilson

26:33

has humbled himself or Sean

26:35

Payton has humbled Russell Wilson h

26:38

and therefore they're more efficient and

26:40

so less reliant on Russell to you in terms

26:42

of what he wants to do, and

26:44

more about the team.

26:46

So I like that situation.

26:47

I think the Lions and golf, they're

26:49

playing timid, or at least golf is

26:52

at the quarterback position. So I

26:54

like the Broncos on the road, sitting

26:56

at four and a half right now. But I

26:58

like how they're playing right now and getting the

27:00

job done.

27:01

You're right, it's sitting at four and a half.

27:02

And even as we have been doing this podcast,

27:04

this has been the most Christmas

27:06

Tree lighting up board on that game

27:09

than any other. It's bouncing back and forth

27:11

with four and a half, looking like the point of resistance

27:13

had gotten as high as five this week was as low as

27:16

three and a half.

27:16

Right now at four and a half, Dodd

27:19

Todd, you know how I got out of jury duty? Yesterday?

27:21

I said to the judge, I go, Judge

27:24

Schwartz, perhaps you don't know that I

27:26

host a little something called the Megapod. And

27:28

she said to me, she goes, is that the one with

27:30

the renounced jew who sings all the fight songs?

27:32

I go, why, yes it is. She goes, You're

27:34

out of here, buddy, And I got the hell out at Jen Touch.

27:37

Do you know that happened?

27:38

Not surprising, not surprising at all.

27:39

No, that happened.

27:41

It makes a lot of sense.

27:43

I'm gonna go with my number

27:45

one pick is being the Cleve

27:48

Brannie's. I'm gonna go with the Cleve

27:50

Branni's minus the three

27:53

against the Bears. You

27:56

know, of course there's been

27:58

a Bears resurgence. We've all seen the

28:01

Bears all of a sudden looking like actually

28:03

a real team. And you

28:06

know, I'm not sure how much of that

28:08

is the Lions falling apart because two of those

28:11

games were the one they should have won against the Lions

28:13

and then the one they did win. We're

28:15

against the Lions, but you know, obviously, look, you

28:17

got to give the Bears their due. They have been

28:19

playing well for the last couple of weeks.

28:21

But now you're.

28:23

Asking them it's almost it almost feels like

28:25

one of those situations where these underdog teams

28:27

win, win, win, then they become the favorite.

28:29

To me, this is a little bit similar.

28:31

It's like Bears were this real decrepit

28:34

team which was getting huge points

28:37

all the time. You know, if this was six seven weeks

28:39

ago, the Bears would probably be getting you know, eight

28:41

or nine points in Cleveland, or at least six, and

28:43

now all of a sudden, you're bringing them in here at.

28:46

Only three points.

28:47

Now you're saying, okay, well, the Browns can go

28:50

toe to toe with them. I mean, the Bears can go

28:52

toe to toe with the Browns. But can they

28:54

That's a real difficult defense on

28:56

the road. Now we're talking about a whole new thing.

28:59

Now you got to go on road. Joe Flacco,

29:02

he's you know, adequate, right,

29:04

he's adequate. You can keep handing the ball

29:06

to those big gasher running backs and

29:08

you can play defense.

29:10

The Browns, to me, are a good team.

29:12

You know, now you're you're, you're almost saying

29:14

it's an even I know, I know home you know, home

29:16

field advantage is no longer three points. It's more like

29:19

one and a half or whatever it is. But you

29:21

know three points is just so that's not

29:23

a lot of points, and so

29:25

just give me the Brownies. I think the Bears,

29:28

after all, the big wins, are are

29:30

looking for a you know, craft game.

29:33

So I'll take the Browns minus three. I feel like I'm

29:35

buying the Bears. I'm selling the Bears a little high

29:37

here.

29:38

Wilson, Hilson, I'm

29:40

gonna go ahead to head with Pritch.

29:41

I'll lay it with Detroit me too.

29:44

Oh, I'm so sorry.

29:47

Guest on it, okay, guest and host

29:49

crime.

29:50

If you played this game a month ago, six

29:52

weeks ago, this line would probably be double digits.

29:54

And you say, hey, it's not six weeks ago. This is right

29:56

now. And Denver's played well and Detroit

29:58

hasn't.

29:59

I get that, but I think a lot of it with Denver's

30:01

smoking mirrors, smolking mirrors

30:03

as Todd would say turnovers

30:07

and there spends some luck involved

30:10

Detroit. There's a good team in there, a

30:12

decent team in there somewhere. I know they haven't played well,

30:14

but they're in their environment.

30:15

They're home.

30:16

You're gonna get golf out of the cold. That's

30:18

a Saturday night primetime game. That's a crowd

30:20

that's going to be into it. I can sense a bounce

30:22

back here for Detroit and Detroit winning this game

30:24

by a touchdown. I don't think is Outlanders here.

30:27

I'll take the Lions minus the points.

30:29

All right. Two things.

30:30

One, Isaiah von Frinkle

30:32

has just given me McDonald's

30:34

hash browns. What a moment this morning.

30:37

Oh this is fantastic.

30:38

By the way, pro tip, get the McDonald's app,

30:41

get you a lot of discounts.

30:44

Okay, I'm with you. My first pick

30:46

is also on Detroit. I

30:48

have taken a lot of incoming on a numbers game because

30:50

I refuse at any point, even when people

30:52

love the Lions. This year, I

30:54

didn't have them in my top ten power right. I had

30:56

them like an eleven. The highest they've gotten

30:58

for me is ken all year and now I

31:00

don't get any incoming at all. But there was a lot of people

31:03

like, oh my god, the Lions, how you're so stupid?

31:06

Their defense is not good. So I'm not

31:08

a big Lions guy. However,

31:11

there's my first two picks fall into the category

31:14

of I don't understand a couple things

31:16

the Broncos love. And

31:19

it's not just Pritch in this game, but

31:21

I'm just talking about anecdotally. Listening to sports

31:23

talk and sports betting media,

31:26

people love the Broncos, love

31:28

Sean Payton and the Broncos. And to

31:30

me, again, they went from one to five

31:32

to six and five, and they did

31:34

it in those last four games on a plus

31:37

twelve turnover differential, and

31:39

then this past week they beat the Chargers, who

31:41

didn't have Justin Herbert for most of the game. I

31:44

don't get it, and Sean Payton's

31:46

getting all the credit for this. I'm

31:48

like, this isn't the eighty three Skins. We've

31:50

talked about this before. You're not going plus

31:53

forty three and turnover differential. You're

31:55

the twenty twenty three Broncos. You're

31:57

not that good. And I don't even think the

31:59

Lions are that great. But I got the Lions and I'm

32:01

laying the points just like you said, Will minus

32:04

four and a half seems like a discount

32:06

because and there's the thing about Dan Campbell, and this is

32:08

one of these moments where people are busting on Dan Campbell

32:10

for doing the same things that they were

32:13

ignoring when the fourth downs

32:15

were converted.

32:16

They're a very.

32:17

Volidile team because they go

32:19

for it on fourth down. So if they win,

32:21

they tend to win by margin. And so I'm

32:23

going with the Lions in this ball

32:26

game, and then my second one. I'm

32:28

also really confused. But when I did guessing

32:30

lines on Monday and going

32:32

with my guessing lines instincts has been great this year,

32:34

with the exception of two disaster weeks,

32:37

one of which was last week. The

32:39

Falcons are only three on the road

32:41

at the Panthers. I don't

32:43

really know if I understand that, especially in a year

32:45

where I thought the market overvalued

32:49

the Falcons most of the year and I was

32:51

always guessing below Falcons lines

32:53

when they were favorites. Now, all of a sudden,

32:56

the Falcons are only three point favorites

32:58

on the road at Carolina. I guessed

33:00

four and a half. I like Atlanta minus

33:02

three. They got the playmakers here, and

33:05

again I'll go back to the Bryce Young thing.

33:07

This is why I had all those CJ.

33:09

Stroud bets in the NFL draft for

33:11

him to go number one, because I couldn't imagine that the Panthers

33:13

were trading up for Bryce Young. Seems

33:16

like a nice kid, but man, it

33:18

hasn't worked out, and a lot of people are saying, oh, well because

33:21

he doesn't have any weapons.

33:22

Yeah, well, CJ.

33:22

Stroud, no one knew who Tank Dell and

33:25

Nico Collins were either, So

33:27

I got Atlanta minus three. I don't

33:29

really understand this line why it's so

33:31

small. So again, those are my first two, Detroit

33:34

and Atlanta. We're snaking

33:36

Will.

33:38

No, Will already gave his second.

33:39

He DoD go ahead. Dot.

33:42

Here's the thing that you know, I'm

33:44

gonna be really pulling for Mike because

33:47

in order for somebody to beat Gilly, I

33:49

had the head pick with.

33:50

The Broncos is going to need to win. So

33:53

wait, wait, I'm.

33:54

Hearing this, Well, no, here it is okay,

33:56

Wait, twenty.

33:58

Six seconds left in the ball game.

34:00

Le Broncos have just scored to make it twenty four

34:02

to nineteen, and they're gonna go for two twenty

34:04

two seconds left. Some people are very

34:06

interested in this play, especially the people

34:08

giving.

34:09

Four and a half. Here's Wilson

34:11

rowling.

34:11

To the right.

34:12

He's gonna wait, he's gonna say no, he's gonna run it.

34:14

He wait?

34:15

Did he get in? Yes?

34:16

He did twenty one.

34:18

Oh my god, Mike Patrick.

34:22

Again, I've asked this before, but probably not this

34:24

year. At what age did your parents just look

34:26

at you and.

34:27

Go, oh God help us?

34:29

Clearly on the spectrum, it.

34:30

Wasn't a orphanage question and some

34:32

of that.

34:32

But anyways, Okay,

34:37

my second pick is going to be I

34:40

have the Falcons too. I mean, look,

34:42

there's nobody who hates to bet on Desmond

34:44

Ridder more than I do.

34:47

I don't like the guy.

34:48

I mean, I'm sure he's a very nice fellow, but

34:50

in football, like, I don't

34:52

like him. He stares down the

34:54

receivers and throws it directly to the

34:56

other team at least once or twice

34:59

a game, and that can very very negative

35:02

towards your football winning when you

35:04

throw it directly to the other team.

35:05

I can't stand the guy.

35:07

However, this Carolina Panthers

35:09

team is just this is

35:11

this team is just unbelievably

35:13

bad on offense. They're not so bad on defense,

35:16

but on offense they are just Now

35:18

somehow I love the Saints. Last week I think I

35:20

was one of my picks on the megapod. Somehow I

35:22

found a way to lose with the Saints in the

35:24

third quarter money line. You know,

35:26

they were coming out of second half with the ball, and

35:28

somehow.

35:29

I lost that. I still don't know how I lost that.

35:30

But the point is, the

35:33

Panthers can't move the ball, so how

35:35

are they going to score enough points to stay within

35:37

three? I mean, this game has you know, twenty

35:39

one to ten written all over. It could even be sixteen

35:42

ten.

35:42

By the way.

35:42

I mean, it hasn't moved at

35:44

all. Does that concern you that we're not getting

35:47

something here?

35:47

Oh, I'm sure we're gonna get screwed.

35:49

It's going to final score like you know, fourteen

35:51

thirteen or some nonsense like that. But

35:54

to me, it just feels like, how is

35:56

this even The Panthers can't get

35:58

more than ten points in a game? I

36:00

mean, the Falcons aren't that bad on defense, you

36:03

know, So I just don't get it. I'm gonna take

36:05

the Falcons. I'm gonna hold my nose

36:07

with Desmond Ritter, who I cannot stand

36:09

betting on But I'm gonna take the

36:11

Falcons minus the three to two.

36:13

Every once in a while, Ridder throws a dime though,

36:16

like, yeah, every

36:18

one, all right, Pritch, you get two here because we're

36:20

snaking.

36:21

Yeah, with those weapons, man, he better look better.

36:24

Man, My goodness, I'm going

36:26

with Tampa on the road

36:28

against green Bay catching some points

36:30

here. Looking at it right

36:33

now, I mean it's it's sitting at three.

36:35

There's there's a three and a half out there too. But

36:38

I like the profile of

36:40

this game for a lot of reasons. You've got a very

36:42

young football team in Green Bay coming

36:45

off a loss because they can't close out.

36:47

A game, and you're looking for consistency

36:50

from a young group of players.

36:52

Now.

36:53

Their most talented players are banged up

36:55

too, if you look at certain positions

36:57

with Christian Watson and Jones

37:01

and so I think when you have a veteran

37:03

team like Tampa who is smelling

37:06

and sniffing the playoffs, you're going to

37:08

get a great effort.

37:09

And got a great player too, Mike Evans.

37:10

I mean, this guy is gonna perhaps get

37:13

a really lucrative contract in the offseason

37:15

coming up. And then on top of that Baker

37:18

Mayfield on a redemption situation.

37:21

So these are older players

37:23

that kind of smell the playoffs and this

37:25

is an important game on.

37:26

The road for them.

37:28

I think it's going to be highly competitive. And then I'll throw

37:30

in the fact that if you look at

37:32

Tampa Bay as an away underdog

37:34

six on one on the road, I mean covering.

37:37

So I like the situation. I

37:40

don't know if the line is going to change anymore. But even

37:42

though catching three points, I like the bucks in that one.

37:44

And then also I'm gonna throw

37:47

in the gem in and

37:49

I don't know if that's going to shock you guys, but I just don't

37:51

trust the Saints. I don't trust

37:53

to fallout with what's going on with Derek

37:55

Carr on how it's not working

37:57

out. It just doesn't profile well

38:00

for the Saints. They got some key

38:02

injuries as well. And then

38:05

this it's not a recency bias,

38:07

but there's something to the veto

38:10

and the team responding to him.

38:12

Like with Daniel Jones, there was no belief

38:15

or it just didn't feel like that right to

38:18

me. It seems like that locker room is

38:21

inspired by this guy in the story,

38:23

and there's a number of players that are in contract

38:25

situations too, that are

38:27

trying to either audition for a job or certainly

38:30

keep their job with the Giants. And I think

38:32

Dave Ball, even though it's been a rough

38:34

year, has found ways to help

38:36

the team improve. But I haven't been

38:38

seeing that from the Saints

38:41

all year long. And I think injuries

38:43

are going to catch up to the Saints too. So I

38:45

like the point situation right there with the Giants. Those are

38:47

my other two best bets.

38:48

Wow, Giants plus the points. I can

38:51

First of all, I cannot believe I'm still sweating

38:53

this under alternate season

38:55

win total I have on the Giants at six and a

38:57

half, at plus one eighty or whatever I have

38:59

it at the fact that they're still alive on this. The

39:01

other thing, I just want to ask you about Derek Carr real quick

39:04

bush, because I have said for years,

39:06

right, I'm sure I'm not the only one, but

39:08

for years, even when he was in Las Vegas, when

39:10

folks here, and we've all heard these folks who thought

39:12

he was like this great quarterback, and I was used to

39:14

say, I go here, you know the stats, Sure.

39:17

He'll rack him up.

39:18

But whenever the key moment of a

39:21

game comes, he's just I used to say this about

39:23

Randall Cunningham back in the day too. I was like,

39:25

Randall Cunningham is great, I said, but in

39:27

that key moment at the end of a game, and

39:29

it's more car than Cunningham, you cannot

39:32

count on him to make the right decision. And

39:34

there's a lot of times Will and I were texting about this

39:36

one too, where he'll throw like the

39:38

dumb like the worst

39:41

four yard like it's oh, it's third and fifteen.

39:43

They need this to stay alive in the game, and he'll

39:45

throw like the worst most you know,

39:48

he'll go out with a whimper. It'll be this four yard

39:50

dump off that has no chance of succeeding.

39:52

Sometimes he'll throw it in the dirt. Do

39:54

you agree with that general assessment of

39:57

Derek Carr and do

39:59

you think eighteen can ever win a Super

40:01

Bowl with him?

40:03

Yeah?

40:03

I'll throw in the fact that he's also fake. I

40:07

mean, that's that's probably more damning

40:09

than everything you just said. I mean, Gil, I agree

40:11

with everything you just said and mentioned, but

40:14

he's faked. You know, he'll fake an injury.

40:17

He's looking for this sympathy, he's looking

40:19

for empathy I mean he's just a guy

40:21

that wants to be liked as a

40:23

guy that so, look, I'm the quarterback of this team.

40:25

I'm the leader.

40:27

You know, some assertiveness,

40:29

some authority, right, and when

40:31

you come across the fake, you know there's

40:33

this sension and that's starting to show

40:36

up with the Saints and that offense and certain

40:38

players on an offense. And it doesn't matter

40:40

if he was here in Vegas or out there in

40:42

Oakland, but now that he's with the New Orleans

40:45

is still coming to the surface. And then there's

40:47

a ceiling for Derek Carr. He's

40:49

about twenty four touchdowns and maybe fifteen

40:52

interceptions. I mean that's Derek

40:54

Carr. And coming into this year for

40:57

the Saints to get anywhere, he would have to skew

40:59

it much like he did back when he was

41:01

a pro bowler and get over thirty touchdowns

41:03

and you know, have it around you know, ten eleven

41:06

interceptions if they can.

41:08

But he's far below that pace.

41:09

But thirteen touchdown passes, seven interceptions

41:12

interceptions are up as normal.

41:14

But no, he's just not a consistent player.

41:16

I know he can put up the stats, and really,

41:18

if you look at the game, I mean a lot of people might

41:20

be thinking that Wink is going to blitz

41:22

Derek Carr, and Derek Carr does well against the blitz

41:24

and man man coverages.

41:26

But if you're a Wink, why would you blitz?

41:27

You know, just let your rush keep Derek

41:30

Carr in a pocket and at some point he's going

41:32

to panic and perhaps give you the.

41:34

Ball as well through Eternal.

41:35

It's interesting you say that too, because now

41:38

that you use that word fake when the.

41:40

Raiders were on Hard Knocks.

41:42

I don't know if anybody can find the tape on this, but

41:44

I said on a numbers game, I said on air,

41:47

I was like, does anybody get

41:49

the vibe from him that he's not

41:52

really in, you know, not really

41:54

a leader on this team. I said exactly

41:56

that from just observing on a Hard Knocks

41:58

and the other thing I said in this where it gets

42:01

comical you talk about fake. He's

42:04

also from California and has this southern

42:06

accent that drives me up the

42:08

wall because his brother David didn't

42:10

have that. But Derek talks like he's

42:12

from this. Like, so all of it you throw, it's

42:15

not quite as corny as Russell Wilson

42:17

when you put it all in the mix. It's a different

42:19

kind of thing. But

42:21

anyway, that's funny you bring that up, will you were gonna

42:23

say something.

42:25

Yeah, he didn't come off.

42:26

He came off a little phony on hard knocked And remember

42:29

he was one it might

42:31

have been Hunter Renfro was like, you know, I get

42:33

nervous before every practice. I'm

42:35

always trying to outdo myself and be my best

42:37

and cargoes. I don't get nervous before anything. You

42:40

know, I've done everything in this league. Nothing

42:42

makes me nervous. Like he never played at that

42:44

point, he never played in the playoff game. What do you mean He's

42:47

done everything in this league. So there is there is a

42:49

little that I remember he had to think with Olavy earlier the year

42:51

where he's chewing out Alavy for whatever it

42:53

was in terms of running around. Yeah, he doesn't seem like the

42:55

best teammate. Again, this is uh, we're not We're not

42:57

in the building every day. But that that's at least the perception

42:59

of him.

43:00

All right, let's get the final final best

43:02

bets from that your

43:05

last one.

43:06

You know, they haven't put up Tommy DeVito yet on

43:08

rushing attempts, and I wonder if they're going to

43:10

adjust it. And I don't know if what Dabel was doing

43:12

with running him last week was based

43:15

on the Green Bay Packers defense and

43:17

not on what they wanted to run him.

43:20

I have a feeling they just want to run him

43:22

now because they figure how much

43:24

worse can it be than him throwing it? So I

43:26

would look at that, especially if you come out running

43:29

that read option again a lot with

43:31

de Vito. You might want to look at endgame in that game

43:33

against the Saints.

43:35

So just something to think about.

43:37

Perch alluded to this too, which is you

43:39

know they paid Danny Dimes with one

43:41

hundred and forty million or whatever it was, Like

43:44

that's the again getting back to the whole the

43:46

cruelty of when you have to pay this quarterbacks,

43:48

the cruelty of the economic structure of the NFL,

43:51

Like you don't know that you are

43:53

forced to pay these guys at a point in their career

43:56

where you just don't know if they're quite

43:59

the answer. But yet the alternative

44:01

is a null set, so you end up paying them,

44:04

right, Vikings with Kirk Cousins, Giants

44:06

with Dandy Dimes, Cowboys with Dak Prescott.

44:09

We don't know as great as dak is playing

44:11

this year, we don't know, right, you.

44:13

Have to propose after two dates pretty much?

44:15

That's right, That's a great way of putting it anyway.

44:18

I'm sorry, Todd.

44:20

What line do you guys have for Baltimore Jacksonville?

44:23

I love when he does this three

44:29

we get you three?

44:32

Then I don't want that one.

44:34

That's pass

44:36

you know what?

44:37

Go Go to Will because I'm gonna have to come up with

44:39

another third one.

44:40

Go with Todd.

44:41

This isn't This isn't the showcase showdown

44:43

on prices, right, you can't.

44:44

Pass I can't

44:46

pass time?

44:47

All right, Well go I'm

44:49

gonna take the bills. I'll lay the two.

44:52

It was a toss between that and the rams. I guess I'll just

44:54

use the rams and a teaser.

44:55

I think it's a tough spot for Dallas coming off a big

44:57

statement whin. We've seen this a lot in the NFL this year,

44:59

where the team of the flavor of the week, the flavor

45:01

of the month.

45:02

Get tumbled a little bit.

45:03

The next week you have an outdoor you have

45:05

an indoor team in Dallas, a

45:08

Texas team.

45:08

They're going outdoors.

45:09

The weather doesn't sound like it's gonna be crazy in Buffalo, but

45:11

this is a Buffalo team that their playoffs

45:13

have already started. I think we

45:15

all agree if they get in there dangerous yep. I think

45:18

there's a little more sense of urgency for Buffalo.

45:20

I think this is a good spot now. McDermott drives me nuts.

45:23

He's uh well, he does some strange

45:25

things, some poor things. In terms of strategy.

45:28

They could certainly use a new head coach. But I'll

45:30

lay anything under a field goal. I think it's good with the Bills. I think

45:32

they win this game and put themselves in a good

45:34

position here to make a run as the schedule gets a little

45:36

easier.

45:36

So Bills minus the two.

45:39

All right, Todd, you want to take the showcase

45:41

with the lazy boy chair.

45:43

Okay, I mean, I'm gonna do this. I know it's

45:45

probably the wrong thing to do, but I'm gonna

45:47

do it. I'm gonna go against

45:50

the insers one more time here at Donaer.

45:52

Look the if in that

45:55

if you ever have any bad in your life.

45:58

Let's say you're walking around your dashful

46:01

about something. Right, You're not questionable, you're datful.

46:03

You just don't know what to do, right.

46:06

Yeah, YenS might think going

46:09

against Mitchell Chrubisky in a.

46:11

Football game might not be the worst

46:13

thing to do if you're betting a game.

46:15

So here's what I'm gonna do.

46:17

I'm gonna take them Indianapolis minshees

46:19

and know I'm gonna say I'm only giving

46:21

one and a half to the Trubiskis. Give

46:24

me a break, now, Am I concerned

46:26

with the fact that Stillers just lost two

46:29

ball games in a row to teams.

46:30

With negative records. I believe each team

46:32

was zero in one hundred and forty two losses.

46:35

Yeah, I'm concerned. If they were ever gonna

46:37

have a big ball game with Tchubisky, this is

46:39

the game.

46:40

To have it.

46:41

However, they really stink

46:43

on offense. So I'm gonna take

46:45

the Colts minus to one and a half. Here.

46:48

You know this, for all intents

46:50

and purposes, we're looking here at a playoff

46:53

game. You might want to drive up from

46:55

East Liberty, or let's say you're from downtown,

46:58

you might be from Upper Saint Clair. You're gonna drive

47:00

out to Indianapolis to watch this game with

47:02

your terrible towl. I don't think you're gonna

47:04

come home happy. I think Zach Moss is

47:06

gonna run for audi yards and we're

47:09

gonna.

47:09

Have a problem. It's gonna be the Colts. Give

47:11

me the Colts minus one and a half in that.

47:14

Wow, and that.

47:18

Is Mike Tomlin really not gonna have a Is

47:20

he gonna have a losing season? In the end, it looked like

47:22

they were coasting.

47:24

What were they? They were?

47:25

They were what seven? And they

47:29

were seven and four? And so they

47:31

had those two easy games in front of them where they

47:33

should have been nine and four Patriots

47:35

and Giants were and they lost both of them.

47:38

Oh brutality.

47:41

I mean, by the way, the quarterback

47:43

I believe who's starting is Trubisky,

47:46

and after Trubisky is

47:48

a guy named Mason Rudolph. Mason

47:51

Rudolph couldn't start on

47:53

you know, Monroevio's team.

47:56

I mean, they're not good at quarterback,

47:58

by the way.

47:58

Patriots and Cardinals before that, the Giants

48:00

for the Steelers.

48:02

Okay, my last pick, I

48:04

am going with the Kansas City O

48:07

Maha Chiefs laying

48:09

seven and a half. This line has come down,

48:12

and I get it, it's not quite the seven, but I'm laying

48:14

seven in the hook. And I know you're not gonna get rich

48:17

laying that kind of number on the road in the National Football

48:19

League. It's gonna be rainy in Foxborough, but

48:21

it will not be snowing, and it will not be windy.

48:23

It'll be fifty degrees, but it'll be rainy.

48:26

I think a lot of people based on a lot of that conversation

48:28

we had about Kadarius Tony at the top of the show

48:31

and how they lost that game and people are down on Mahomes

48:34

and Red for complaining and all that. I

48:36

don't think people's perception of the Chiefs have ever

48:38

been lower in like the last you

48:40

know, in the Mahomes era, as they are right at

48:42

this moment. I think they're

48:45

gonna be the number one seed. I

48:47

think they're gonna run the table the rest of

48:49

the way. I think they're gonna crush the Patriots.

48:51

I think they're you know, because no team looks as bad as they do

48:53

one week or as good as they do one week. I think

48:56

they're going to roll in this game. And

48:59

I said this before or the Dolphins loss of the Titans

49:01

on Monday night, I think that it's a great

49:03

bet ten to one on the Chiefs to get the number one seed.

49:05

If it's still ten to one, By the way, that's when I called

49:08

it. I think they roll

49:10

in this game. I don't think Bill Belichick, who, by the way, apparently

49:12

these are his last four games coach in the New England Patriots

49:15

end of an era. I think Andy Reid and the

49:17

Chiefs bounce back, and I think they beat the Patriots

49:19

by double digits.

49:20

That's my third play, by

49:22

the way, the prop of will the Chiefs

49:25

get called for offensive off sides?

49:27

Over under a half? Under

49:30

minus four p.

49:31

Fifty Yeah, I agree

49:33

with you completely.

49:34

By the way, do you remember when they used to call the Kansas

49:36

City Kings the Kansas City Omaha Kings

49:38

the basketball.

49:39

Team in the NBA? Do you remember that? No, anyone?

49:42

That's why.

49:45

For your time, everybody, Phil

49:48

Ford, otis bird song?

49:49

No nothing?

49:49

Okay, all right, no teaser

49:52

still, no teaser of the week teaser.

49:55

It's pritch. We start with you. What's your favorite two team

49:58

six point teaser?

50:00

Oh? Man, you know Will said it earlier.

50:02

I mean I love the Rams in the situation against

50:05

Washington, and you

50:07

know, having them on a teaser with.

50:10

Their playoff hopes so still alive, and

50:13

you know the Rams.

50:14

I think Stafford has been incredible this season.

50:16

I don't think he's gonna make through the entire year, to be honest,

50:18

if you fellas especially with a

50:20

Bruce spinal cord coming off of last year. But you

50:22

know, the guy's a warrior, and the

50:25

team has responded. So I liked

50:27

them when teaser situation and I teamed

50:29

them up with Kse.

50:30

You know, I agree with you.

50:31

I think the fire that

50:34

Patrick Mahomes has.

50:35

And I heard this straight from Eric being

50:37

to me.

50:38

He said, I've never met

50:40

somebody who wants to win as

50:43

as badly as Patrick Mahomes. And that's

50:45

coming from a guy that I

50:47

can tell you, hands down was one of the most

50:49

fierce competitors I've ever been with or

50:51

played with. Right, And so

50:54

Eric, if he's saying that about Patrick,

50:57

they're going to.

50:58

Have a great week of practice. They're going to on accordingly.

51:01

But the fact that it is Belichick and this situation

51:04

that he's never been in before probably not

51:06

going to be there again, you know they're

51:08

going to get a good effort. But so I put the Chiefs

51:10

instead of laying in, I put the Chiefs on that teaser with

51:12

the Rams.

51:13

Chiefs Rams is my teaser too. I

51:15

am right there with you. That's my teaser as

51:17

well.

51:17

By the way, before we get to these gentlemen's

51:20

teasers, Eric b Enemy your

51:22

buddy who you played with at Colorado,

51:24

and that both of you. By the way, Pritch is

51:26

very humble about his days of Colorado. He's

51:28

awesome. The two of those guys were everything

51:31

on that team offensively.

51:35

Do you think he's getting passed over for the

51:37

Skins job.

51:41

I don't think he has support in the

51:43

front office for the Skins

51:45

job.

51:47

I could be wrong.

51:48

I know he's been a named assistant head coach,

51:50

and to be honest with you, you know,

51:53

if Rivera, they're not going to be disruptive,

51:55

they're not going to get rid of him. But he

51:57

does have the title assistant head

51:59

coach. Therefore he should become

52:01

a head coach next year. I think there's

52:03

going to be eight, maybe nine openings

52:07

coming up this offseason, and he's got

52:09

support in other places in

52:11

terms of the executive level and

52:13

a front office level to where he could get a head

52:15

coaching job, I believe this year. So if

52:18

not Washington, certainly somewhere. But there's

52:21

so much turnover in Washington right now. I

52:23

just don't get a sense that they're going

52:25

to look at that, and they're going to look at Eric, and

52:27

they're gonna look, you know, within, Yeah,

52:30

and stay within.

52:31

And and hire Eric.

52:32

There's that's my feeling too, is And

52:34

by the way, Ron Rivera still has the job, but the assumption

52:36

is that he will be relieved of his duties at the

52:38

end of the year. It's gonna be a race to see who gets

52:41

who gets relieved of their duty. Starts Brandon Staley,

52:43

Ron Rivera. There's a bunch of those guys.

52:45

It's just it's so interesting to me that he's had all

52:47

this success and yet no offer

52:50

has come yet.

52:51

So maybe this is the off

52:53

season. I don't want you to break any confidence.

52:55

Is he just I'll just ask you for a word. What

52:59

is what is like his primary emotion.

53:01

About all this? Is it discouraged? Is

53:03

it confused? Or is

53:05

it you know, non

53:07

plus he just plows through it.

53:10

Yeah, he plows through it.

53:11

You know.

53:11

He told me that he's still chopping with Gil

53:14

Todd and Will, He's still chopping with still getting actor,

53:16

is still trying to be competitive, still trying to win games.

53:18

And you know, he had how playing decent

53:21

for a while. The offense

53:24

has evolved a little bit. But you

53:26

got a bunch of guys that have

53:29

fought that type of coaching all

53:32

year long, but yet have been

53:34

productive at times, but just not together,

53:36

right, And so he almost had the Carolina

53:39

job. I thought he was going to get that, to be honest

53:41

with you guys, but you know that that

53:43

owner went a different way and it's cost

53:45

him because he's just iron

53:47

coaches left her right down.

53:48

Here in Carolina. So it's good for Eric that

53:51

he avoided that situation all together.

53:53

Yeah, it's true. And we've all been there, by the way.

53:55

It doesn't have to be a footballers. We've all had jobs we wanted

53:57

in our lives and then when we didn't get them, we're like

53:59

all in the moment, but then afterwards you're like, oh,

54:01

that's the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

54:03

It's not Ryan, Yeah, right.

54:06

Todd and Will your teasers are Todd.

54:10

Mine is Chiefs minus one and

54:12

a half.

54:14

I think if you were ever going to get a focused effort

54:16

from the Chiefs that this would be the week. And the

54:18

Patriots are just I mean, they are woeful,

54:21

especially on offense. So I'll take

54:23

the Chiefs minus one and a half, and I'm going to go. I'm

54:25

not going to take the Rams.

54:27

I'm going to go with.

54:28

Your Davis Mills Houston

54:30

Texans plus eight and a half Tennessee

54:34

coming off the miraculous win.

54:37

I believe the record was oh in seven sixty

54:39

seven in a row for teams being

54:41

down by fourteen to less than three minutes

54:44

ago, and somehow they won.

54:45

That game and moved it to one in seven sixty

54:47

seven.

54:48

I just don't think the Tennessee is the kind

54:50

of team that wins any games by margin typically,

54:53

and to win by eight and a half's a lot in the NFL.

54:55

And remember, Davis Mills has been a starter

54:57

before, so he's not that, you

54:59

know, horrendous. I mean, he's obviously not, you

55:02

know, the rookie of the year guy, but not.

55:04

One hundred percent that it's gonna be Davis Mills though,

55:06

Right, it's concussion protocol for Stroud, so we don't

55:08

know.

55:09

Well, if I get Stroud, then I'm then I'm real happy,

55:12

obviously.

55:12

Yeah, Okay, that's what I'm

55:14

saying. Could be even better for you.

55:16

Will I

55:19

have the same one as you guys, I'll be different. I'll

55:21

go I'll go Chiefs

55:24

Dolphins. If I'm getting the eight and a half of Dolphins

55:27

right, so I get it to two and a half.

55:29

Uh, Dolphins are nine and a half.

55:31

Do you see any eight and a half? Skilly?

55:33

Uh?

55:35

I can't find my all

55:37

right, let's fine. I'll stick with Chiefs, Chiefs Chief Rams.

55:41

If by Zappy beats Patrick Mahomes, I'll

55:43

live with it. And Washington's a dead team,

55:45

he'll Rams. It's interesting so many of these

55:47

bottom ended NFC playoff teams are just

55:49

man like the Packers and the box

55:52

whoever NFC South teams. The Rams are

55:54

the one team, Like if you're the two or the three, you don't really

55:56

want to see the Rams getting the playoffs because Stafford

55:58

has quietly played pretty well here, you

56:00

got cup Nikua, Kien Williams has been a

56:02

nice little Resurgeons McVeigh is

56:05

playing fast and loose with the play call, and they could have easily

56:07

beaten the Rams in a tough spot last week.

56:09

Rams are sort of dangerous here.

56:12

They could easily beat the Ravens.

56:13

Could have beaten the Ravens.

56:14

Yes, yeah,

56:18

By the way, before we get to the final two questions, y'all

56:21

following the circus survivor. Think thirteen entries

56:23

left, thirteen entries, sir, and

56:26

one person didn't want to chop it up, so

56:28

they're playing again this week.

56:30

And then when the one.

56:31

Person didn't want to chop it, because there's always one,

56:34

they tried to do a side chop for the

56:36

rest of them to screw over the thirteenth

56:38

guy, and they could How

56:40

do you do a side chop? You

56:43

basically make an agreement that if this,

56:45

if one of us wins, you

56:48

will get x amount and the others will

56:50

split up this amount.

56:52

So there's no chop if the one guy wins,

56:54

but if the other twelve people win, there is a chop.

56:56

Correct.

56:57

Oh, that's interesting, And you can simultaneously

57:00

screw the guy that didn't want a chop because

57:02

you could pick twelve different teams

57:04

which clearly are going to you know, match

57:06

one of his.

57:08

Yeah, but wouldn't they be playing for money at

57:10

that point? Still, they wouldn't chop the entire thing up,

57:12

so they wouldn't agree to do that.

57:15

I don't know how they worked it out, but there's a way to work.

57:17

Yeah.

57:18

No, no, they would, they would. They wouldn't play for the

57:20

entire that's right. But they would play for their

57:22

chunk in a.

57:23

Chop, right, But what I'm

57:25

saying is, if they're still playing for something, then

57:28

who would want to do all twelve teams to just

57:30

knock that guy out?

57:31

Oh?

57:31

Correct, that would be a different thing. Yeah, it's

57:33

it's you can do it. But again,

57:36

the thing would have been to play again. I suggested

57:39

on Tuesday in a numbers game, you got thirteen

57:41

left, it's nine point two six six seven million, everybody

57:43

gets a half million. You play for the final

57:45

two point seven And I said,

57:47

I said to Everybody's like, oh, it's so obvious to do.

57:50

I go, there's always one dude. It's a dog to

57:52

happen.

57:53

I know, everyone's just so mad at one dude.

57:55

Who doesn't I'm sorry, Mike, what were you going to say?

57:58

No, Yeah, you're right, it's always one. And that's

58:00

all I was just seeing it. I can't believe. I

58:02

can't believe it.

58:03

Well, And the thing is, it's it's there's

58:05

so many reasons it could be. One is the guy

58:07

thinks he's better at the game than everybody else. Two

58:10

he thinks his entry is better with

58:12

the remaining teams than everybody else. Three he can't

58:14

get the nine point two sixty seven million pot

58:17

of gold out of his mind to reduce it

58:19

four, there could be an entry that

58:21

he already has eight people in it. So if you chop five

58:24

hundred thousand, it's not that Sexy five

58:26

Spanky was pointing out. Maybe it's just somebody who

58:28

now wants to shift it into

58:30

a game of gambling where they just think

58:32

they have more gamble than you do and they can

58:36

sort of.

58:38

Bluff you into making.

58:40

Let me, maybe it's a negotiation tactic.

58:42

Correct, it's a negotiating a negotiation

58:44

tactic. Correct. And then the

58:47

I think Krack has a great which is also

58:49

in a chop circa,

58:52

is not technically involved in a chop.

58:54

So you are trusting that

58:57

everybody is going to adhere to this chop.

58:59

What if person X says,

59:02

oh, sure, I'm in this chop, no problem, and then they win, and

59:04

then when it happens nine point two

59:06

six seven million, they're like, I don't know what you motherfuckers are

59:08

talking about?

59:08

Right, So what happened was

59:11

that they're like, how do they do it?

59:13

Like?

59:13

What do they have legal papers written up or something?

59:15

Yeah, when you get down there, yeah,

59:18

when you get down to three that's easy, right,

59:21

But I think when you have thirteen, it's

59:23

still a little too many to

59:26

get everybody.

59:27

I think it's three. Putn't one of three

59:29

people do the same shit they could.

59:32

But I think with three you

59:34

have enough time typically to get lawyers

59:37

involved. There's only a couple of phone calls to make you

59:39

get lawyers involved, you get the paperwork. When you have thirteen,

59:42

there's too many back and forth by the time

59:44

everybody gets on the same page as Thursday, and

59:46

you're like, you can't get the lawyers. Like I just I think it's

59:49

too many to be practical.

59:51

I think I don't begrudge

59:53

anybody wanting to win the whole thing. I would

59:57

probably take the chop if it was me.

59:59

But you know, at the same time, I don't

1:00:01

begrudge somebody thinking, hey, this is my one

1:00:04

lucky chance. Yeah to you know, for

1:00:06

some people they would think, oh, if I get a half a million dollars,

1:00:08

it doesn't change my life.

1:00:09

For any nine million, it does change my

1:00:12

life, so maybe they want to do it. So I don't begrudge

1:00:14

anybody for that.

1:00:15

I agree completely. I might

1:00:17

be that dude. By the way, the guy

1:00:19

is a poker player.

1:00:20

No surprise.

1:00:23

He doesn't have the most sterling reputation. There

1:00:25

are tweets from you know, years ago

1:00:27

where other poker players are like, don't get involved with

1:00:29

this guy. He might be a scammer. But he

1:00:31

leaned into it, Like I almost turned my opinion

1:00:34

on him yesterday because he put out a tweet

1:00:36

he goes, I am the guy, right, it's me, I

1:00:39

am the best, better alive or whatever

1:00:41

he said, like he was totally playing

1:00:43

the role of the crinch.

1:00:46

I don't know his name is Sean Perry. I don't know what his

1:00:48

Twitter handle is though. Okay, yeah,

1:00:51

anyway, just interestingly, all.

1:00:53

Right, final two questions you already final two questions

1:00:57

which we asked at the end of each and every megapot.

1:00:59

The first is wish of the big favorites is the most likely

1:01:01

to lose? Outright, we don't have that many big favorites.

1:01:03

By the way, it's a week.

1:01:04

Not only we have this horrible Thursday game between

1:01:06

the Charges and the Raiders, but we have three Saturday

1:01:08

games Vikings Bengals, Steelers, Colts, Broncos,

1:01:11

Lions, plus six

1:01:13

college bowl games.

1:01:14

I believe it is what a day? What

1:01:16

a day?

1:01:17

Okay, what do you mean Saturday,

1:01:19

This Saturday. Here are the choices. I'm

1:01:22

gonna have to fudge. I'm gonna have to let a couple

1:01:25

in that normally wouldn't, but just so

1:01:27

we have candidates. The Saints six

1:01:29

point favorites at home against the Giants, the

1:01:32

Dolphins nine and a half point favorites at home against

1:01:34

the Jets, the Niners twelve

1:01:36

and a half on the road at Arizona,

1:01:39

the Rams six and a half

1:01:42

at home against the Commodores. Oh

1:01:44

and the Chiefs, of course seven and a half on the road

1:01:47

at the Patriots on Sunday night. Those are

1:01:49

your candidates. The Saints,

1:01:52

the Dolphins, the Niners, the Rams,

1:01:54

and the Chiefs. Mike

1:01:58

most likely to lose outright of the bunch.

1:02:01

I'm going with the Saints. The ain't I

1:02:04

gotta go there? Not because they were a rival

1:02:06

of mine when I was with the Falcons, but I

1:02:08

just I just don't like they're

1:02:12

a Ruttoris ship right now. They don't

1:02:14

have a rudder, they don't have a leader, they don't have

1:02:16

anything going for him, and I

1:02:19

just think this is one of those games where Giants have

1:02:21

everything going for him. I like the points earlier

1:02:24

when of my best best with the Giants. But I

1:02:26

think they can win this game out right.

1:02:27

I figured you would guess that one, Todd.

1:02:31

DoD.

1:02:32

I mean, I don't think the Commanders are gonna win, but

1:02:34

it wouldn't shock me. I mean, we've seen the Commanders

1:02:36

play competitively against the Eagles before.

1:02:39

We've seen the Rams kind of be up and down,

1:02:42

so that kind of would not shock

1:02:44

me. If the Commodore's had a good game, Rams

1:02:47

is his plaque?

1:02:48

Will I missed the

1:02:50

question? You have some distractions walking on behind

1:02:52

you? Gil My goodness, do.

1:02:53

I really yes,

1:02:56

I'm going to go of the female persuasion.

1:03:00

That would be correct. Oh, I don't go with Miami

1:03:02

here.

1:03:03

If you take Tyreek Hill off the field, and who knows

1:03:05

if he's playing GIMPI, it's not the same player,

1:03:07

it's not the same offense. We saw the

1:03:09

limitations in Tua physically, athletically.

1:03:12

I mean I thought when they got the ball back down one, I didn't

1:03:14

think they were going to score.

1:03:14

He's just so small.

1:03:15

He doesn't have the arm I know, when

1:03:18

things are going well and everyone's wide open,

1:03:20

he can put the ball in the right spots.

1:03:22

But if you make him the slightest bit uncomfortable.

1:03:24

There are some real limitations with Tua.

1:03:26

Jets have a good defense. Who knows,

1:03:28

maybe they keep it close and steal the game at the end. So I'll say,

1:03:30

Miami, I think.

1:03:31

I agree with Todd, not with much conviction.

1:03:34

I think it's the Rams, just because Sam

1:03:37

Howell could do some things on offense. By

1:03:40

the way, what happened to Terry McLaurin with Sam

1:03:42

Hall at quarterback?

1:03:43

What happened to that.

1:03:45

They got to fleet that red

1:03:48

in the Eagles game?

1:03:49

He dropped a ton of passes. No, they were like

1:03:52

low and outside he

1:03:55

could.

1:03:55

Don't do it to him, don't get it.

1:03:56

He was also in bounds on the one that they call out of

1:03:59

bounds at overtime. They they screwed up.

1:04:01

I know.

1:04:01

I'm just still mad at is.

1:04:02

He the one that was complaining about Eric's offense

1:04:06

McLaurin. Nobody really Yeah, Rivera

1:04:08

never really mentioned who was complaining about.

1:04:12

No, I can't imagine it was Terry McLaurin. He

1:04:14

doesn't seem like a guy that would do that. Terry

1:04:17

McLaurin is like face of franchise.

1:04:19

Love that kid. I don't know. I'm not sure.

1:04:22

Maybe I don't know, but that is the one strange

1:04:24

thing about the Skins offense this year is he

1:04:27

just has not gotten targets.

1:04:29

It's very strange.

1:04:30

And I don't know if it's that too injury, Yeah,

1:04:32

have toe injury from a preseason

1:04:34

or what. I think it's the Rams though,

1:04:36

But I like the Rams and the Saints as there's the

1:04:38

best picks there. But I totally hear what you're saying about the Dolphins

1:04:41

too. I'll say Rams is mine, all right,

1:04:43

final question, we live in a bizarro world.

1:04:45

There's no more buys. There's sixteen games the

1:04:47

rest of the way, last four weeks of the year. You

1:04:50

gotta play a side in fifteen

1:04:52

of them. We

1:04:54

didn't even mention Eagle Seahawks on Monday Night,

1:04:57

a game we haven't even touched on. You gotta

1:04:59

play a side on fifteen of the sixteen. But you

1:05:01

get one pass bridge one that

1:05:04

you don't want any part of. What would that game be?

1:05:07

Well, I mean we talked about it already, so

1:05:09

others. I mean the game tonight, Chargers

1:05:12

and the Raiders. Good luck with that,

1:05:15

you know. I think Will said that under was

1:05:17

a good player, smart play, and it is. There's

1:05:21

so many variables in this thing. Like I

1:05:23

mentioned before earlier, Khalil

1:05:26

Mack leaves the league in sacks. I mean he could

1:05:28

go off for like eight sacks who knows,

1:05:30

six sacks, who knows? But then you got

1:05:32

Max Crosby, even though he's hurt, he's

1:05:35

gonna play right, and then

1:05:37

he can wreck what the Chargers wants to do too.

1:05:39

So I don't know how you pick a side in this

1:05:41

one. The Raiders can't score, they can't even get into the red

1:05:43

zone, and then the Chargers, I

1:05:47

don't know how you come up with an offense

1:05:49

for this quarterback through walkthroughs,

1:05:53

and Kellen Moore has no idea who this guy really

1:05:55

is. I don't believe, and so that just

1:05:57

gets difficult and

1:06:00

Herbert goes down. So I don't know how you cap this

1:06:02

one out and how.

1:06:02

You pick in this one either, Pritch,

1:06:05

Please, that's what I wanted to say.

1:06:06

I never got to just say it on the show. No,

1:06:09

I agree with you completely. I think I think that's

1:06:11

mine too, but I'll try to think of it as something else. Todd,

1:06:14

what's yours?

1:06:15

Eagles Seahawks is kind of a conundrum

1:06:17

to me, is like who are the Eagles? Are they

1:06:19

the world beaterers that win every game, or

1:06:22

are the maybe not as great a team

1:06:24

as we think? And are the Seahawks the

1:06:26

team that took Dallas to the wire the other

1:06:28

day or are they the garbage

1:06:31

team that they've been.

1:06:31

The rest of the year. So I'll just pass on Eagles

1:06:34

Seahawks.

1:06:35

Really an

1:06:37

old NFC Central matchup,

1:06:40

Bucks, Packers, the Bay the Bay

1:06:42

of Pigs.

1:06:42

I can't figure out Green Bay. I haven't had a lot

1:06:44

of conviction on them one way or the other. They look good,

1:06:46

they're not God. I don't know what to make of Green Bay.

1:06:48

And I'm not much more convinced

1:06:51

either way with Tampa, who's up and down,

1:06:53

have a decent record, They're somehow in first place.

1:06:55

Green Bay, Tampa Bay, you can have it.

1:06:57

I know it, just not I.

1:06:58

Agree with all of these for all as you said, Chargers,

1:07:00

Raiders, for what Pritch was talking about, Eagle

1:07:03

Seahawks. I agree with Todds, like who are the

1:07:05

Eagles at this point? Bucks,

1:07:07

Packers, I want to know part of I will go with the

1:07:09

fourth Texans

1:07:11

Titans.

1:07:13

I don't know after last week what

1:07:15

either of these teams are like.

1:07:17

Are the Titans the team that sucked

1:07:19

pretty much for most of that game, although

1:07:22

they didn't keep the Dolphins offense intact obviously

1:07:24

without Tyreek, But like, was

1:07:27

that offense the last two drives of the

1:07:29

game or was it everything before that? And then with the

1:07:31

Texans, as great as CJ. Stroud has

1:07:33

been, if you remove

1:07:35

Tank Dell from that offense, all of a sudden, they didn't

1:07:37

look so good. I know it was against the Jets and

1:07:39

the Titans an't quite the Jets defense, but the

1:07:42

Titans defense ain't bad, So that

1:07:44

to me would be my game Texans Titans.

1:07:46

I don't know, do you? And we threw this around,

1:07:48

like if Stroud played that badly

1:07:51

the rest of the year, or are we sure he's still Rookie

1:07:53

of the year.

1:07:55

If fat question?

1:07:57

If he had four more games that bad?

1:08:00

Second, who's in second?

1:08:01

Puka Nakua?

1:08:03

Hmmm, I think I'd still

1:08:05

give it to the quarterback.

1:08:07

That it would have to be that bad.

1:08:09

Yeah, literally, no touchdowns.

1:08:11

I think as long as he breathed and like throws a touchdown

1:08:13

here and there, as long as he's like okay, where

1:08:16

he does anything respectable, Like if they lost

1:08:18

every game and got shut out every game, now

1:08:20

you're having a conversation. But anything above that,

1:08:23

he's he's okay, assuming he comes back.

1:08:25

I mean if we don't know if he's coming back right week, but

1:08:27

assuming he comes back. So that's the other interesting if if.

1:08:29

This he doesn't play lingered, Yeah,

1:08:32

it is really interesting.

1:08:34

Let let's finish then with this that I know three

1:08:37

yeah, just now, yeah,

1:08:40

just as we're talking, all right, let's close with this real

1:08:42

quick rapid fire. Because I lied m

1:08:44

VP. Who if you were voting on MV, who would be your

1:08:46

MVP right now?

1:08:47

Pritch, Christian McCaffrey,

1:08:50

Wow, Todd.

1:08:52

Yeah, I

1:08:55

guess I'd give it to Dak Will.

1:09:00

I think Party wins. You said who would

1:09:02

I vote on?

1:09:03

Yes, I'd

1:09:07

probably vote for Patrick Mahomes just because nobody

1:09:09

even gets the beast and he's the best player.

1:09:11

But I'll say Party,

1:09:14

but I'd be tempted. I would vote for Party. I'd

1:09:16

be so tempted to vote for Mahomes. But if you're gonna give

1:09:18

to him this year, you might as well just give him to every year.

1:09:19

So I'll say Party, I'd vote Party, and well,

1:09:22

no, i'd vote Tyreek, but I

1:09:24

think Party wins.

1:09:25

Uh.

1:09:26

And then the last one coach of the Year, Mike, who's your coach

1:09:28

of the year right now?

1:09:30

College sendinghan I mean, what he's doing

1:09:32

with Rock Party, to you guys' point is

1:09:35

phenomenal. But I

1:09:37

think he's doing a hell of a job coaching this football

1:09:40

team.

1:09:41

DoD.

1:09:42

I'll give it to the Houston Texans coach.

1:09:45

I think, uh, I

1:09:48

think he's been an outstanding Yeah, yeah, I

1:09:50

think I like him. You know, for what

1:09:53

we thought the Texans were supposed to be

1:09:55

and what they are. I'll take the Texans

1:09:57

coach.

1:09:57

Will I'll

1:10:00

go Shanahan for the reasons

1:10:02

Pitch mentioned.

1:10:03

Yeah, I think if I'm voting on it right

1:10:05

now, I can't take Tamiko Ryans because

1:10:08

they're on the outside looking in. But if they were

1:10:10

in, I would say Demiko Ryans I would vote

1:10:12

for. Now that he's not, I'll say Kyle Shanahan.

1:10:15

Gentlemen. Thanks.

1:10:15

Somebody did a thing on Twitter.

1:10:17

By the way, there was a thing on Twitter about how

1:10:19

the way that the guy that wins

1:10:21

the NFL Coach of the Year is never a guy who's

1:10:24

season win total has more

1:10:26

than you know such and such. It's always like a guy

1:10:29

whose team it wasn't supposed to win more

1:10:31

than a certain amount of games. It's a whole thing on Twitter,

1:10:33

but.

1:10:33

It was really interesting.

1:10:34

It's a guy that beats the expectations by

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the most yeah, right, right right, the

1:10:38

outlier. Yeah, like Sirianni.

1:10:41

For as great as the Eagles were last year, he finished

1:10:43

fifth, right.

1:10:44

And it was wired to wire favorite, wired a.

1:10:46

Wire favorite, finished fifth. I

1:10:49

don't know if I've ever told you this Brandon Crawford story.

1:10:51

Will Have I ever told you that story? All right?

1:10:53

We didn't need to reach the story.

1:10:56

We didn't touch on the biggest sports story of the day, which

1:10:58

is firm into the over

1:11:01

unders one seventy three, eight and a half. That's the highest

1:11:03

college total I've seen all year.

1:11:05

Are you pre flopping it or are you waiting to see some action?

1:11:08

I'm going to be watching it and in gaming it as

1:11:10

usual.

1:11:11

All right? Four games right, no

1:11:13

day games.

1:11:13

Today, every day games?

1:11:15

No?

1:11:15

Well, what are they thinking?

1:11:16

All right?

1:11:17

Todd wishne from his mom's gorgeous

1:11:20

living room, Will

1:11:22

Hill. You can follow him at t wish

1:11:24

nev and at not v Will Hill. And

1:11:27

a big thank you to Mike Pritchard

1:11:29

at am I Pritchard on Twitter. Pritch

1:11:32

thank you so much. You are the best

1:11:34

for doing this. I know it's not a it's not a short

1:11:36

podcast, so thank you. We really appreciate

1:11:38

it.

1:11:39

No, I loved it.

1:11:40

I enjoyed it, and I'm happy to escape

1:11:43

being insulted by Todd too.

1:11:44

So I think I did a good podcast.

1:11:46

That's right.

1:11:47

Wait, yes, who

1:11:49

did I insult?

1:11:56

He's let's put it this way, Todd. He's aware

1:11:58

of what you're capable of. He knows who you are,

1:12:01

right, absolutely got it.

1:12:02

Yeah, absolutely, reputation,

1:12:05

totally ingest. The only people that I'm

1:12:07

seriously down on are the major

1:12:10

host of this podcast.

1:12:11

Other than that, By

1:12:14

the way, I love last week when you said to Brent,

1:12:16

you go, good guy, not a

1:12:18

great broadcaster.

1:12:20

Well, because he had said that.

1:12:22

Thing about remember he said about Derek Carr,

1:12:24

He's not a great situational quarterback.

1:12:27

I said, well, we have a host who's not a great situational

1:12:30

broadcast.

1:12:30

Great guy, not a great situational

1:12:33

broadcaster.

1:12:34

You know, I think that was a good, good guy, situational.

1:12:40

I love my dream for you for someone

1:12:42

to tell Brent to my face that that's

1:12:45

so good. All right, good luck

1:12:47

to everybody with your week fifteen picks

1:12:50

in the National Football League, thanks for listening.

1:13:00

Don't don't, Dook