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Today is Misha Rubin . He

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is a career educator and CEO of CareerLeap

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. His mission is to facilitate meaningful

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, international , intentional changes

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at work and in life . He

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helps executives and professionals reinvent

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careers , find dream jobs and

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thrive at work . He was a

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partner in Ernst Young , spending 15

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fruitful years of his career . He

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sold and managed hundreds of millions worth of

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projects and guided careers of hundreds of professionals

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. His 20-year corporate experience

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, personal quest for meaning and work with hundreds

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birthed the Career Leap

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Method a guided , actionable

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inquiry that is structured for you

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to discover and pursue your next

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career . Misha has worked

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with hundreds to reinvent their careers and

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start new businesses and re-energize

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their lives . We welcome him

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to the podcast . Well

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, it's so good to have you on the podcast . How are

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you doing Excellent

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? Thank you for having me , Keith . It's a pleasure

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to be here . I love to get my guests

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on the spot right off the bat , so give me your

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best piece of advice .

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Best piece of advice ? Okay

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, one of the advice that I give to everybody

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is keep exploring

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, because many times when people

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feel stuck or not sure

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what to do like I work with people a lot around

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their career , their businesses

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, some of the big decisions

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they want to make Should I stay or should I go ? Should

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I make a change ? How do I make a change ? And sometimes

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they don't have an answer and then they feel really

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, really stuck . And one

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of the reasons that people feel stuck is

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they don't explore enough . They usually explore

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just surface ideas but

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not the full scope of the idea . So

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I say one of

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my favorite things to say at the end of my emails

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is just remember that life is beautiful

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and keep exploring .

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I like that . Who told you

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that ?

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I don't know , it just came up for me . I'm

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sure I haven't invented it , it's not like something

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radically new , but it really speaks

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to me as a context

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for life .

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I love it . I'd

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also like to ask my guest to kind of give us a little bit of background

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about people in your life who have served

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to be an inspiration to you , maybe a mentor

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. I have an opportunity for you to kind of give

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those people a shout out , a thank you

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for the impact they've had on you .

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So I had quite a few people and organizations

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and modalities that

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truly influenced

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me . Lately , one of my

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favorite people and favorite

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influencers for

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me is Byron Katie . I don't

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know whether you've heard of her , but she is like an amazing

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teacher Wisdom her book

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that I highly recommend to everybody that's called

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Loving what Is . She

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developed this very simple

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and incredibly effective way of questioning

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your thoughts and questioning what's real , and

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it helped me personally answer a lot

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of questions and get rid of a lot

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of noise in my life , and also I use that

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methodology to work with my clients to

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help them to get rid of their noise .

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Cool , you

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said there was someone else . Anyone else you want to think about

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or shout out to ?

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So the other person that's been a great influence

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to me is Michael Singer . His

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books the Untethered Soul

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and the Surrender Experiment

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are fascinating and

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his story that he was this person

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who was kind of a yogi who wanted to live in the

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woods and then he ended up being

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CEO of a multi-billion dollar company

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and the quest

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here is how to make good choices

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and decisions and how to listen to yourself

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and trust life . I find it very

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fascinating and I'm again using a lot of that

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in my life and in working

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with my clients .

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That's interesting . Yeah , those people kind of we

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run across kind of really impact us and

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really shape how we think about things , even kind

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of take what their ideas are and

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internalize them and kind of use

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them as they apply to our lives . So

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tell us your story . How did you get from

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Ukraine to where you are now ?

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How did I get from Ukraine ? Listen , I have

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so many stories that

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I could share with you , so , but let

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me maybe focus Ukraine . That was 30

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years ago . My whole family immigrated , but one

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of my favorite stories of change and what

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I help people is create

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meaningful , intentional changes in their

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work and life , and maybe

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one of the leaps that I my personal

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leaps that I want to share is how I

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started to become a career educator and doing

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my work , because before that I

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worked on Wall Street , I was actually

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a partner at a big four management consulting

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firm . So I was one of these busy

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, exhausted consultants that ran

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around and did a lot of work . And

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I remember that I was sitting in one of these

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business meetings where I was

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talking to my

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colleagues and everybody was talking

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, and then I heard my you know like my corporate

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voice , you know the serious voice , and

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as I was speaking , I heard my quiet

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voice . And my quiet voice said Misha

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, you're done with this , you're not going to do

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this anymore . The only thing my white

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voice wasn't that polite , and

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that was really like a moment of truth

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for me , because at that time , you

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know , I was making more money than an immigrant

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from Ukraine could have ever imagined . I

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was a partner for over five years

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, I

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had this job , I

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also had three young children and I was

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a breadwinner in my family , and I kind

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of had a direction of what I wanted to do , but I didn't have

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clarity . So I did something

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that I don't recommend anybody to do I jumped

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off the cliff . And as I was flying

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off the cliff I realized there are so

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many people that I knew that either

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were not fulfilled around

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their job or just knew it was time for

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them to do something else , but they didn't really

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know what it was , how to go about it , when

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is the right time to make change , how to

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actually implement it . That I realized

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there is like a missing in our society from education

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perspective , and that's where the

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career leap method got born . And

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so in the past almost four years , that's what

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I've been doing . I've been working with executives

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, with professionals , with leaders , with business

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people to help them create

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a meaningful , fulfilling life and craft

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the life that they want and make changes in their

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career and life . So that's basically

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my story and my life

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work .

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So there are a lot of people in the sphere

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that you're in right now who help

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people to find or

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make career changes . What

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makes your process or

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what you do different from

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other people who kind of give advice about careers

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?

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Well , one thing I've

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been very successful in my career

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, so I know what it is

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. You know like for many years my career

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didn't make sense to me , even when I remember

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I received that phone call about becoming a partner

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and I worked so hard for it , so hard

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for it , and I knew it wasn't it

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right and I was like why

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am I doing this ? Even as I kept growing

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my career and making more money and being more

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successful , I was like it doesn't make sense to

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me . And then when I left my

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corporate career , I realized it

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actually made sense to me . I had to experience

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this moment of stuckness . I had

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to experience these moments of success . I

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had to experience these moments

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of how to navigate all

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these different organizations . I had to experience

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how to make a leap myself . So

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when I decided and

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chose to do what I will do in life , it's actually

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rooted in a very deep experience

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. You know , I guided careers

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of hundreds of people and I've impacted

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lives of thousands of people through a lot of different

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things that I've done . So to me

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it's just like my natural expression On

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top of it . So that's one side of it On top of it

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. As a good management consultant , you know , you're

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trained in creating frameworks

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and methodologies , and so I was

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very interested how can I do

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something that's repeatable , something that I

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can actually give people as a series

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of tools for once , that they can use it over

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the course of their lifetime , but then also

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that I could give it to many

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, many people ? So that's how

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the career leap was born . So I think

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that's what differentiates , and I think the results that

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I produce with my clients Good

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, so tell us about what Career

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Leap is . So

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the method is

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the Career Leap as a method , right . So

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one of the big principles

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of the Career Leap is that knowing what to

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do in life is a function of knowing

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who you are and

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understanding some of these fundamental , deep questions

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of how we are designed as humans

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and also what it is we want

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. So I call this , I call it career blueprint

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. It's a set of criteria

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that really articulates

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of who you are

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and what it is you want . And who you are could look

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like your vocational value system

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, your strengths , your motivational

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mechanism , and what it is you want

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could be related to what type of learning you have , and what it is you want could be related to like what type of learning

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you have , what type of responsibilities you want , what

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type of future you see . So if you really

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put it together and articulate as a set of

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criteria that's prioritized , it's

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actually much easier for you to make decisions

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about what's right and what's

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not right for you . And on the other

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side of the equation is what I call the career

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leap map not right for you . And on the other side of the equation

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is what I call the career leap map , which

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is a list of ideas of where and what you could be doing . So this is where I take my clients through

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a process . We really examine a lot of different industries , maybe

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business ideas , maybe revolutionary

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ideas , maybe community

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ideas , all these types of

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ideas to generate the pull

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, and someplace where your career blueprint

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and career leap map overlap

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, there will be this finite

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number of ideas that are both exciting

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and pragmatic , because

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many times the people feel stuck again is because the ideas that they're exploring

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are either not exciting enough or not pragmatic enough . I'll give you

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an example of a client of mine . You know she came

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to me like she was an international

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tax attorney , very

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educated , very smart , you know

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she . So for her she was like either I have to keep

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doing what I'm doing , which I really don't like

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, or I really want to start my

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own business , but I don't have money , I don't know how

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to do it . So here you

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are have these two ideas

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that neither pragmatic nor

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exciting at the same time . Right , so that's

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where people feel stuck . And then when we explored with

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her , when we looked at her career

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blueprint , we really understood what

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is the industry that she wanted to be and she was really

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interested in children , education and development

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and the type of role that would

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be right for her . She was like this go-getter

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organizer , coo type

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of a person . So the next thing

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you know she's calling is that , misha . I got a gig

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in international educational

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company where I'll be an operational

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role . I'll still keep some of my international

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tax clients , but I'll explore

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this and this is not only aligned with

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my values and my strengths and my motivation

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and what I want to do in life , but I get also

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to see whether starting my own

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business is the right thing for me and if it

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is , then I'll learn more about how

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to do that .

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Education tends to have

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us take a test and say you

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should do this career . And

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I'm curious if you were on the

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front end of people deciding what their career

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should be . What guidance

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do you have ? Because I know a lot of people get into the careers

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like you say . They find out that they educated

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themselves and something they really don't like to do

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. It's not satisfying

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and they feel stuck . So

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how do you avoid picking the wrong career to even

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start out with ?

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That's a very good point . I would say there

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are three drivers . That

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how people choose their careers and

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I usually say it

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will be confronting what I'm about to say to

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them Like the C word resonates

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with you . But I usually say you haven't made

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probably a single authentic

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choice in your career . And

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if you look from the point where you chose

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your major or chose your first

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job or your last job , just look . So

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there are three drivers . Number one is

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other people's opinions . Right , so there

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are all these your parents

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, your family , your friends

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, your community and it might not

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be some direct pressure For some people

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it could be , but it could be just

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the subtle conversations in

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your network of

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people about what's good , what's bad , what's

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right , what's successful , what's

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not successful that impacting you . So that's number one

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other people's opinions . The

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second one is circumstantial . You

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know how these jobs show up circumstantially

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Somebody gave you a call , a recruiter , an

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ex-colleague , or you

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just saw this ad or something , or

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you got fired or

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laid off or something like

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a literal matter of circumstance

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. And the third one is stagnation . So

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stagnation is where you

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stay , where you are , because either you don't

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know what else you could be doing , maybe

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you're afraid to make a change , but that's stagnation

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. So one of those three , but I've

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experienced all three myself and I know a lot of people

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probably experience all three . So if

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you base so , you got to just start

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being aware that your next

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career decision is not driven

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by any of those . But to make a good

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decision you need a few things . One thing

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when I work with younger people or

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a lot of my friends or colleagues

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talk to me about their kids I usually say when

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you don't have a lot of data points about yourself

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, it's very hard for you to create a

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solid criteria for your choices . So

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what's important at that part of your life

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is to create a lot of data points , and

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to do that you need to have a lot of different experiences

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and you can start it from high

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school or middle school organizing

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things , managing things , running things

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, designing things , creating like see

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what is that ? Working with people , not

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working with people just

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trying a lot of different things and see

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what will resonate with you . But when I mostly

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work with seasoned executives and

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professionals , for those people you actually

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do have a lot of data points , but

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you don't have tools to put

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them into criteria that you can actually effectively

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use for your reinvention

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or figuring out what's next . So that's where I

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do a lot of work help people actually articulate

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based on a lot of data points that they already

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have .

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So it seems to me like just talking to you and thinking about

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where we are in society . So

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many people are in the workforce underperforming

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because they do not like their job . People

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are in the workforce underperforming because they do not like their job , and so employee retention

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has to be really high in terms of the workforce right now . If people are stuck

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in jobs that they don't feel they're

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qualified for or satisfied for , it's got

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to be a huge problem . So what

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do you see in your work as the greatest

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challenge facing the workplace

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today ?

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Mm-hmm . Well , I think there

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are multiple challenges , but I always

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like to come from your

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inner challenge , because clearly

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there is a lot of obstacle that outside

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of our reality and we

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can prepare for them . But to me I'm very interested

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in your inner obstacles . You know , like

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, what is stopping you from

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having the life that you really want to have ? And

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very often it is the

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most common word when my clients

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come to me when they say I want clarity . That's

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the number one thing they say . I understand

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I want to make more money and be more successful . I

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get all of that , but if only

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I could have clarity . Get me to clarity

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. That would be like . So

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the question , the inquiry for people

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if you're not clear about what's next

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for you , how come ? What do you think is in

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the way ? Is it because you're not exploring

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? Is it because you're afraid ? Is

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it because you're not really in the

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driver's seat of your life ? Is

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it like you really explored and you

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gave up , so kind of like really

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looking to that space , that you

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get to that exploration part ?

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I'm curious what tools do you use

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in your career path that

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people can access and even connect with you

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on to figure out that sense

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of clarity ?

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Sure , I actually designed a digital program

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that's called careerleappro Actually

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, that's the website , careerleappro

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, where this

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is the course . You know , after

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working with dozens of people so my

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clients , who pay me tens of thousands of dollars

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, you know , I basically thought about

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how do I put this methodology in

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the accessible way . So this is what

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I have available right now , and that it has all

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the tools that I described . You know how

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to build your career blueprint , so you

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actually have a criteria and you get

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clarity about what it is you want . How

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do you build your career leap map , so

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you actually examine a lot of different ideas

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. How do you go into that overlap

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, how do you narrow down those

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choices and what do you do after that ?

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I'm curious as I think about how you use this

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program you have now . How would a

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company who maybe have people in

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their organization who

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want to be there , but maybe they're in the wrong place

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on the bus in the organization Do

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you have some tools that

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would help them , or organization or business

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figure out how to get their people

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on the right place ?

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on the bus . I don't have it laid out

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as a tool that I can give away , but I definitely

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could

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help facilitate that conversation with a company

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, because it's a very

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similar process , because you always start

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with a career blueprint , so people get clear

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about what it is they want . And one of

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the biggest reasons , or the first reasons why

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people feel disempowered

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about navigating their career

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they don't know what it is . And it actually

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could be inside of the existing organization

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and it could be something that's

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actually very close to you , but if you don't know what

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it is , it's very hard to pursue it and

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then people feel disempowered . And the

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second piece , again , would be the same

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career lead map , but I would look and explore

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options within organizations , which I always

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ask people to do that Go

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explore . If you resonate with your organization

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, go examine what are the opportunities

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there . And it's similar process , it's

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just no different .

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I love that . I

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love to ask people like you , who have this incredible

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desire to change the world , what

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drives you incredible

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desire to change the world .

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What drives you ? My value system . This is what

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I realized . That was my really breakthrough about the

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career leap map . If

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people could understand their

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value system like articulate in

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language and when I say

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value system I say that's something

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that I don't know , whether you either

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were born with , or maybe it

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got created in you and set in you

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very , very young Then

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you have a very good compass for your

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decision making . So my vocational

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values are making a difference clarity

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and creating . So

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I don't know whether I have like a drive , but

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to me it's literally I'm in alignment

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with my value system and that

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makes it very easy .

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It makes sense . I get that . I

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also want to talk about your nonprofit . You started

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a nonprofit . You want to share with us about

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that .

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Sure , I've been on the board of

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Worldwide Orphans for almost

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10 years now and I'm very passionate about children

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causes , and this is an organization that works

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with orphans and other vulnerable kids

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, and we have these amazing

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educational , play-based programs that allow

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kids with trauma to

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overcome it and do much better . And we

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work in different countries . We work in Ethiopia

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and Vietnam and in Haiti , and in

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Bulgaria and in the US

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. So

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when two years ago , about two years ago

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, the war in Ukraine started and I have

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this on my wish list for many

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, many years start our organization

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in Ukraine , and it never

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was kind of like there was never a momentum for

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that . But after the war in Ukraine started

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, I was like , oh my God , this is my time

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to bring world-wide orphans to Ukraine , and

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so about a year and a half ago , I

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raised my first $25,000 . I

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brought the board together . I

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found people actually went to Ukraine

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in

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May or June 2022

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, like a year and a half ago and I

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started our very , very first

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organization there and

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right now we're serving we have 40

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programs serving over

22:46

3,000 people and

22:49

those are kids that experience

22:51

trauma because you know when you

22:53

live in a country that it's war

22:55

, that's continuously being bombed . Some

22:58

people actually had to relocate

23:00

very rapidly , like there's a lot of

23:02

really . Some kids actually witness

23:04

some horrendous things . The

23:07

work that we do is really , really needed there .

23:11

And I see you won a humanitarian

23:13

award for your work in Ukraine . Congratulations

23:15

on that .

23:15

Thank you so much . It was like a big surprise , but yes

23:18

.

23:19

That's always neat , isn't it ? Yes , so

23:23

, misha , what are you excited about in this season

23:25

of your life ?

23:27

You know I'm about to turn 51 , and

23:29

I feel like I'm in the most like

23:31

the summer of my life , right

23:33

where I've

23:36

learned so much , I've suffered

23:39

so much . You know , I tried

23:41

so many things and

23:43

it took me all this time to arrive to this point

23:45

in my life that I know that every part of my

23:47

life is aligned with

23:49

my value system , with who I am

23:51

, whether I am working with my clients talking to who I am , whether

23:54

I am working with my clients talking to you on the podcast

23:56

, whether I am working

23:58

with the worldwide orphans , whether

24:00

I'm with my children , whatever

24:03

whether I'm with my community , my friends

24:05

, I know I'm living inside of my value system

24:07

, which is making a difference , clarity

24:11

and creating , so I'm

24:13

excited about

24:15

just living in this beautiful space that

24:17

I designed for myself and

24:19

continue making a difference .

24:23

So what's next for you ? Got a book in the works

24:25

or some new company you're starting

24:28

. What's next for you ?

24:29

So what's next for me ? I'm about to launch

24:31

my newsletter . This

24:34

is the first time I'm announcing this . I can't imagine

24:36

this , Keith . You

24:38

got me to talk about this , so it will be Misha

24:41

Rubin's Life Altering

24:43

Weekly and you should be able

24:45

to get there to life-alteringcom

24:48

. I'm

24:51

excited about that . I think the book . I'm

24:53

not writing it yet , but it's cooking

24:55

in my head and I already

24:57

have the framework and the concept for

24:59

the book . I would like to finish my book in the

25:01

next three years .

25:04

This is the first time I'm announcing that also See

25:06

we're breaking news here on the podcast .

25:08

I don't know how you got this information out of me . And

25:11

then you know I'm raising my kids

25:13

, I

25:19

am building a work in Ukraine and all over the world through

25:21

World .

25:21

Wide Orphans . That's my life right now . That's

25:24

exciting stuff , you

25:28

know . I'm curious because you do work around the world with kids . Is there some trend

25:31

you're seeing ? It seems to me like kids around

25:33

the world , as

25:41

a vulnerable population group , sometimes get lost in the world . How is your organization kind

25:43

of helping raise awareness for kids at ?

25:45

risk globally . Well , we actually not

25:47

as much like just raising awareness , we're actually

25:49

helping those kids , because kids

25:52

are experiencing trauma and kids

25:54

are extraordinarily resilient

25:57

Like it's actually very hard

25:59

to help an adult with trauma

26:01

. But for kids , if they

26:03

end up in the right environment with the right

26:05

people and

26:08

with people that actually know how to be with kids with

26:10

trauma , you can do that . And

26:12

what we do is we provide these ongoing

26:14

psychosocial support and programs

26:17

to the kids that experience trauma

26:19

. So we train librarians

26:22

, teachers , social workers

26:24

on how to do that . We have the whole curriculum

26:26

. So this is so unique , right . And then we find partnerships

26:29

, we train them , we give them tools , we give them materials and then they end up working with these

26:31

kids . And then we find partnerships , we train them , we give them tools , we

26:33

give them materials , and then they end

26:35

up working with these kids . And then those

26:37

kids coming to these special

26:39

places for them

26:41

. One of the parents called the island of childhood

26:44

, especially during the time of war

26:46

or , for instance , in Haiti , we came

26:48

there after earthquake . Or maybe

26:50

in Vietnam , you know , we arrived

26:52

there during HIV epidemic . So every country

26:54

and every time has its own specific

26:57

. Kids need these environments

27:00

and adults that know how to be with

27:02

kids with trauma . That's what we do .

27:05

So what's the connection

27:08

or the website for your worldwide organization

27:10

?

27:10

Worldwide Orphans you go to wwworg

27:14

.

27:16

Okay , well , misha

27:18

, thanks so much . I'd like to ask my

27:20

guest this question , as we kind of wrap up what

27:22

do you want your legacy to be ?

27:32

I think my life is my legacy . I don't

27:34

think about this legacy in the terms Excuse

27:37

me . I don't think about my legacy in terms that I

27:39

wanted to be something like this thing . So

27:42

I know I'm raising my

27:44

kids , they'll be my legacy

27:46

. I'm doing my work with

27:48

my clients , I'm designing my methodology

27:50

, I'm writing my book , so I think that all

27:53

will be part

27:55

of some type of legacy . But

27:57

I'm not thinking about this . I want to leave

27:59

X . I want to live

28:02

. I want

28:04

to be an example of how to

28:06

live a meaningful , purposeful life .

28:09

Anything . I haven't asked you that we should have covered Because

28:11

we got a lot out of you today ? No

28:15

, I think we covered all important

28:17

topics , and we had breaking news

28:19

, too on top of it . I know , I know

28:21

.

28:23

I wanted to tell you , shh , don't tell anybody .

28:25

Don't tell anybody .

28:26

I'm on the podcast okay , that's right

28:29

.

28:30

Well , Misha , where can people find you one more time , your

28:33

website and what can they find you on social

28:35

media ?

28:36

So the best place to find me is my website is MishaRubincom

28:40

, m-i-s-h-a-r-u-b-i-ncom

28:44

and LinkedIn . Linkedin

28:46

is my favorite method . Misha Rubin there

28:48

, come connect with me , chat

28:50

with me , yeah .

28:52

Well , ruben , thanks so much for sharing and thank you for what

28:55

you do for , especially for kids . Kids are a

28:57

big part of my heart and passion too , so

28:59

thank you for helping those

29:01

kids who are dealing with trauma all

29:03

around the world , because they are

29:05

such a valuable asset that we want to make

29:07

sure we protect and take care of .

29:10

Thank you , keith , I really appreciate your kind words

29:12

.