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My guest today is Jordan Roche

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. Jordan is a podcaster

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and Christian life coach . He started

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with health coaching , but was on the

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side of New Age spirituality , searching

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for more and hungry for the humans

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who had followed God and

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further away from him and from their

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actions . We welcome Jordan

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to the podcast . Well

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, it's so good to have you on the show today , Jordan . How are you doing

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?

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I'm doing great . I'm so happy to be here .

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Good to be here . It's good to have a conversation with you .

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Yes , definitely .

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Well , let's get a chance to get to know you a little better , and

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the audience as well . So what's the best

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piece of advice you've ever received ?

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The best piece of advice I've ever received was actually probably this week . Um

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, so it's funny . But I

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was like this is perfect timing

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. But , um , I

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so

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I was just like kind of

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wondering where God wants me to go next

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. And a friend of mine was like

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, well , if you had a year left

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to live , what would you do

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? You know , because for so long I've

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just felt tied to other people and

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, like as a people pleaser , I

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do what other people need

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me to do and kind of fulfill

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a position for

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them , because I feel like they need me

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to be in that position . And I

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was like , but what is God telling

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me to do ? Where does God need me right now

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? And so that was really

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a great piece of advice .

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That is good . I like that . So what'd you come up with

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?

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Yeah , I think

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I'm going to be changing a

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lot of things in the near future . I think

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I'm going to be changing a lot of things in the near future

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. I just was praying about it last night

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and I had this dream

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that kind of confirmed

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it . So I need to talk to some people and see

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if it

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aligns with everything . So big

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changes might be coming soon .

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Exciting stuff there . I

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like that . Yes

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, definitely yeah . When God tells you to do something , he does kind of

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throw off your plans that you had going before he talked

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to you .

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So yeah , yep , he sure does .

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I'm always curious , jordan , who are some people in your

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life who have been maybe an inspiration

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to you , or just someone that's been

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impactful , if someone you want to give , if people want to give a

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shout out to you thank you for their impact

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in your life .

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So definitely like growing up , I would say , my

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grandmother . She was kind of the most

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godly example of a woman , you

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know , and very elegant

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and modest and just so

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kind Like she always brought joy to so

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many people and so she's

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definitely a big part of

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like my journey

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and who I am . But

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more recently , I would say , my

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friend Diane , who actually just gave me that

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advice . Just

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gave me that advice . She is so amazing and has really been a huge part of like my spiritual

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growth and just knowing that there's so much more

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than we even know about

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God and what he , who , he is

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, you know , and there's just so

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many like the church is only so

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much and then there's just like a

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whole nother world you

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know .

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Exactly .

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Yeah .

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That's Nihon , the people who come alongside

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you just the right time in your life to kind of even

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give you words that maybe you weren't expecting

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, but they're so impactful .

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Yes , yeah , definitely

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.

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So tell us about your personal journey . I'm curious

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kind of where you've been and where you're headed

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, and as

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you tell us kind of where you come from yeah .

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Definitely so . I mean

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I grew up in a Christian home but

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it was lukewarm . I mean

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I grew up in a Christian home but it was lukewarm , and

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I really fell away from the church because

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of people in my life and got

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into New Age spirituality

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and had

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a lot of health problems that

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kind of drove me further into that

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. But because of the

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false sense of security there

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, um , I

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really felt like you

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know , helping right , like that's why a lot of people

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stay in it and get into that loop , and

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so I actually had seven herniated discs in

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my back and among

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a lot of other health issues going on

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, and I was

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starting to question authority at that point , because

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I was going to medications and

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listening to the people in my life

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who had authority .

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Sure .

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Like I normally would . Yeah , and

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everything was getting

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worse and

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I was like wait a minute . So

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then I started questioning , like obviously , doctors and medications and and solutions

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with all of that . But then it kind of continued and continued and

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luckily , you know , I started questioning the

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people who said they were Christian in my life .

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Sure .

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Because , like they

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would say

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one thing and be kind of hypocritical

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and not live what they're

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telling me to do , and so you

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know that led to the rebellion . Right

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and yeah , which

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I think a lot of people experience

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, which is unfortunate . But

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but , yeah , so with the coaching

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. Um , but , but yeah , so with the coaching . I was in

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the health coaching on

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the new age side of things with like yoga

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and meditation , and

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you know now I'm

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still in the nutrition and all of

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that , but I really focus on prayer

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and the power of that

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and and the and the

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deepness and power

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that God has . That , like

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I said , isn't really talked about as

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much in church .

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Right as you think about that journey you were on and you said you know people

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who were Christian . They weren't living the't living the lifestyle that they

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were , they were professing . How

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did , what , did God teach you as you were going through those , those , maybe that personal faith struggle

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? I would call it wrestling , to kind of say what's true and what's not . How do you

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, how'd you unpack and get back to

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what really was true ?

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So I , actually I , I

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, I was like seeking him . I

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cause I always kind of felt like I

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was . I think I had a relationship with him

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, even though it was the demons in my life

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at the time , and

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I just knew

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that because I had been raised in the church

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, like I knew that God existed and I knew

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that he loved me and I wanted

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that relationship . I sought that relationship

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but I

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wasn't doing it right and I

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started to read my Bible and

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the first time that I tried reading

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my Bible I got to

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in Genesis , God

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created every green herb and I was

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like cool , he's okay with

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me smoking weed and

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so , and I

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kind of went back into the world . But

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then he pulled me back

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and I actually

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was

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listening to a podcast called

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Heaven and Healing that

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just exposed so

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much deception and

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I related so much to everything

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she was saying , was

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saying , and I was just like I'm mind blown and started reading my Bible

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and I was actually on a road trip where I really do feel

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like Satan was going

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to kill me , Like I was rebellious

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and I said

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every red flag , I was like I can do

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it , it's fine . It was like so much pride I

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. I did not have the

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finances but I was like , oh , manifestation

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, it'll come when I need it , you know

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. And

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and then my car

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was an older car , had not gotten

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new tires or brakes in a long time

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and

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the road

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trip that I was taking like wasn't planned . I

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didn't really have any places

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, I was staying fully booked or anything

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fully

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booked or anything . And um , even along the trip , my GPS was saying , like where

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I was headed into the desert , said

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heat , heat , yeah , yeah , Said

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said

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heat advisory , and like

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people were dropping dead , Like . So

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it was not a good

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environment that I was going towards and

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I thankfully

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end up at

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a church with my mom's friend in Texas

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, literally

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in the center of the United States . I

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was 17 hours from

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where I was and 17 hours from where

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I was going , and

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I was

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at this service and they kind of

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were talking about , you know

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, like so many things that related

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to what was going on , and

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but also like a leap of

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faith , and I was like is my leap of faith that

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I need to keep going , you

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know ? And so it was like so much deception I can't but um , but then I actually did continue

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into San Antonio , where that's where God was like , and

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so I was going to be going to this park to go eat my lunch that

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I had prepped for myself . And I pull up and my GPS

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tells me to turn into this church parking lot .

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That's weird yeah .

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Well , because the park was like the next turn

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, okay , but uh . But

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so it like told me to turn . Then I was like , is

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there a connection ? Like is the park connected to

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the church ? How does this ? And so

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I turned out of the parking lot

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and back in to where

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I was going to be going . But it looked really

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sketchy . There was no one there , it was like this

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dirt road and

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I was like I'm going to go eat

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in the church parking lot instead

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. And

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and there was this like prayer garden

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there . And

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at first I was kind of parked a little

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bit below where it was up on a

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hill , and

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I just hear come walk with me in the

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garden , my child and I was

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like , okay , but

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let me finish this podcast first . And

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I heard it again and I was like

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okay . And

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so I grabbed my Bible

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and my journal and

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I left my phone . I just was like okay

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. I walked up into the garden and

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the walkway on the garden

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, which I couldn't see before , was

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a cross , and so

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I was standing on the cross , yeah , and

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I just felt this overwhelming peace

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and presence and

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I was like , okay

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, what do I do now ? You know ? Like

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, why am I here ? What do you need to tell me ? And

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so I went

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, there was this swing . I sat down next

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to this chair , so it was like I was

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sitting with him and I

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didn't know much about the Bible . I

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didn't know where

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I should read and I just

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was like God , wherever

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these pages turn , I'm going to read . And so the wind blew and opened up

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and it was in , I believe , first K . It was in first Kings

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and um Jeremiaheremiah , but the , the area that

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I was reading was about elijah

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fleeing to cities of

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refuge okay yeah

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, and then um

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, and

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then I literally read turn back from where you came

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wow

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and yeah

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, and I was like , but

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I have this thing that I need to go to , that

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I've already committed to , like

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I'm still in my mind , like in the world

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, so much and

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um . So

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I was like I actually stayed

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in a parking lot that night of

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a gas

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station and then I reread the

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verses that morning and

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I was like I

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need to turn around , you know , and

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I ended up having

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my tire blow out on

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the way home .

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Oh no .

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And I would have been in the middle of the desert

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during a heat advisory .

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Not a good place to be .

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No , no . So

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he saved me literally

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from dying in the desert , but

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also just my soul and

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like , that podcast I

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was listening to the whole time was just

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like so eye opening

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and just

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my dad even said when I got

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back it was like a 180 . I was a totally different

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person .

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That's an incredible story of how God

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intervened in that moment in your life . As

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you think about the journey you were on

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, I think so many people who have

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drifted away from the church find

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themselves on a different path . What

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would you say kind of , besides the fact that

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you were getting bad advice from people who were Christians

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, are there other things that were kind

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of also leading you

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away from the church and

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from God at that point in time in your life ?

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Definitely like the people who were , you

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know , do as I say , not as I do , and

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like not living as an example

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, but I think also

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just society

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as a whole like was

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promoting all of these things that are

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demonic and

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not of God . And

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so , you know , as a young woman

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, you just want to fit in , and

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especially with social media now

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it's like , oh , it's trendy to be a witch

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or it's trendy to do

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your horoscopes and all this stuff , and like

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it's just , it's so like

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backwards , you

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know . And

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so I think a lot of just

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the guidance in my life at that time

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, like my friends who

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were

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, I felt , more

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mature or like knew more , were

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doing all those things , and I was like , oh well

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, like their lives seem pretty good , like

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let's check this out , you know . And

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so it's just like a snowball effect

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of deception .

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If you could , if the church could have done

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something to be more helpful for you . What would that have

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been ?

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I think , definitely speaking more of

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the truth and

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I was just talking about this with a friend the other

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day but like the

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truth about the

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deception , instead of like having more people

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into the church . Obviously we want that

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, but we need

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to speak the truth versus just , oh

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, Jesus loves you no matter what you do

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. You know and

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he does like , but we got to tell him

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like , repent and turn

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from your sins , versus continue living

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in them .

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But I think the church sometimes worries that that

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message you just said will turn people

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off and you're saying , no

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, that's what you need to hear more of , not

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the watered down . Hey , do

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the easy thing . It's okay to live your life

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, enjoy life , it'll

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be okay , right .

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Exactly , yeah , and I think for me

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, like where I was I , I

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would have definitely felt convicted , and I think

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that's why people wouldn't immediately

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be like , oh , this isn't accepting , you're judging

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me . But I think there's a balance

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between judging

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someone for those sins and being

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like I was in your position

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. I've been there . This

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is why , like this , I

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want you to feel what I feel and get off

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the drugs and get off the alcohol

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and the sex and whatever it is

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you know , and and just like

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the truth in love . And I

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think that a lot of people are

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so focused on judging

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and shamefully

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saying the truth rather

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than that truth

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in love , and there's definitely

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a balance there .

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I love that as you think about kind of

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your generation . You know the church has a perception

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of young people . What would

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you say the biggest misconception the church

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has about your generation ?

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Honestly , I feel like the biggest misconception

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would be the fact that they are

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not

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seeking God , because I think they

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are so much and

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that's why they're getting into all of these

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things . Because , you

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know , in new age spirituality

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and at ,

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for me , music festivals

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and and all of these things , like I

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felt so seen

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and loved and and more so

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than I had at the church , like because

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it felt more judged at the church and

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it's just a bunch of broken

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people trying to

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show each other love and compassion

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that weren't shown by the church

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and their families , and

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like it's so sad

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. And now at the church that

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I'm at , they actually

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are transparent . The

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elders that I know now

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tell

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me about their addictions and

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about their past and

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are free and living in that

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freedom versus , you

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know , a generation that is

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just like still feeling their

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own shame and then judging you for

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doing the same thing .

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Like so . So having the so

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, not being transparent about the fact that you also

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had struggles as a young person , you

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, you felt like having a connection

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with real people , with real

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lives , with real problems , is

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the most helpful thing the church could do . Not hide

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and mask their problems , but

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say , yeah , I get what you're going

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through , Even though you may not directly

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understand , because we didn't have I mean , I'm almost

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60 . We didn't have social media

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, as you guys did , where every

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single mistake we've ever made is

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amplified and

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around the world in a matter of minutes . It

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took a lot longer for your mistakes to get out there

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.

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So true , and I think that's like such

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a huge part of it too , because it's

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like , ok , you're forgiven and

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you're , you no longer need to carry

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that shame , but but you

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posted it and or , like , someone else has

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this picture of you or this video

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of you . So , yeah

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, it's definitely more difficult with that

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.

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I love that . So tell us about

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the church right now , cause I'm curious . You say you love the

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church right now because it it is . Are

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there other aspects about your church that

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if you could tell the church

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? This is a model of why I like this

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church . It may be helpful for those who are listening

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at

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any church .

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The moment I walked in and like they , the greeters are so amazing , and I actually was late the first

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time and I like went by myself to the pew and

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a woman from the greeters team saw

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me and you know they really focus on

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if we haven't seen this person before , we need to

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talk to them and

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keep them here , basically . And

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so she like came up and was

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like is this your first time here ? And I was like yeah

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, and she was like welcome

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, I'm so happy you're here . And like give me a hug

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. She gave me like a little welcome

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bag and , um

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, that same day the

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pastor was preaching about deception

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and the truth and things that I literally was like

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Whoa , like um

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, the the book . The

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book called conversations with God . He

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was talking about that and I had recently like

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read that and

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thought , you know , oh , this is like cool

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, like great , god loves us . We can do whatever

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we want . And

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so it was just like perfect

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timing and like so

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filled with the Holy Spirit , like the presence

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of the Lord was just in that room and

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the music , like the worship too

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, was so powerful . Like

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the moment I walked in , people were

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like worshiping God

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and like really into

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it and you just feel that

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. And so

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I think worship is a huge part

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of praise

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, and especially in

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a world where the enemy has

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taken over the music industry

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really and we're worshiping

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false idols . So why can't we worship

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God in the same way that we worship them

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?

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Exactly true , I wonder

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. You know we often talk about how important

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music style

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is . Is it the style or

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is it the fact that people were

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letting their love

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for God show through in the worship ? I'm always curious

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. Is it a both

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and or is it a particular style

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? To me , no matter what style you're

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doing , if people know

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that you are celebrating and worshiping

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God , whether it's traditional hymns

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or praise music , it's more about . I

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can sense the people there really want to be there versus not seeming as

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though they're happy to be there Is

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that something that you notice as well ?

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Definitely , yeah , and because I like there's now that I've , you

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know , looked because I loved music

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my whole life and so looking now for more

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genres of Christian music is

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so helpful . Because

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I think you know we

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kind of like I for my whole life was like I hate

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rap music and so like vulgar

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even before I was saved , like it

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just was raunchy and I was like . I don't want that

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Like it's , I don't want it . And now

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there's a few like rap , Christian

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rap songs that are glorifying God

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, and I'm like yes , and

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so I think

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like it's just based

26:43

on your personal preference with like the genre

26:45

, but as long as it's glorifying God

26:48

and you can tell that it's

26:50

moving your spirit , like I

26:52

think that's so powerful , and just like you

26:54

said , with the people at the church during

26:56

the service are clearly

26:58

loving on God . You

27:01

know and you can feel it .

27:03

That's awesome . I'm curious

27:05

what are you excited about as you think about

27:08

where you are now compared to

27:10

where you are now before ? What

27:12

are you most excited about in this phase

27:14

of your life ?

27:15

Yeah , Um

27:18

, most excited is honestly , like just

27:21

to see where God takes me . Like I

27:23

said in the beginning , I have

27:26

kind of been avoiding what

27:28

he did want because I was afraid

27:30

of it and

27:33

like because so my whole life I really

27:35

I was , since I was

27:37

a people pleaser I was really scared to

27:39

be vulnerable and say what I actually wanted

27:41

and what was in my heart , and so doing

27:45

that is really

27:47

is kind of scary for me and , I think

27:50

, for a lot of people . So I

27:52

am excited to

27:55

follow that , that

27:57

, what God put in my heart

27:59

, a reason , and

28:01

see where he takes me and just take

28:04

a leap of faith .

28:05

Amazing If

28:08

you had a message for people who were

28:10

where you were before wandering

28:12

, trying to kind

28:14

of connect back with God again . What message

28:17

do you have for those who are still kind of like I

28:19

know God wants something different for me to my life

28:22

is now . What advice would you have

28:24

for them ?

28:27

My advice would probably be just

28:29

seek God first above

28:31

all else . Like , don't

28:34

, because you can surround yourself with Christians

28:36

, you can surround yourself with people who say they know

28:38

God , but that doesn't make you

28:40

know God , and I think a lot

28:42

of people do that and focus

28:44

on oh , I need to be at church every day

28:46

, I need to go serve , I need to go to this small group

28:48

, and those are amazing . But

28:51

you need to know God yourself

28:53

because we all have

28:55

our own individual relationship

28:58

with him and purpose from

29:00

him , and no one else can

29:02

tell you that except for God , and

29:05

and and also just like be

29:07

sober and vigilant , like sober

29:09

minded I . I

29:13

for so long was so

29:15

, not sober , and I

29:18

was lost

29:20

in that time of my life and I

29:23

think it's so important , in

29:26

order to have that relationship with God

29:28

, to

29:30

have a sober mind . Otherwise

29:32

, it's just like wishy-washy in there and

29:35

anxious .

29:36

Most definitely If you could

29:38

describe for the church you were kind of going

29:40

. What kind of community are people

29:43

like yourself looking for ? What are

29:45

a couple of things that are really important

29:47

for that community to have to

29:49

make someone who is coming back

29:51

to church feel welcomed again .

29:55

Yeah , I think again , with the transparency

29:58

, so that you don't feel judged

30:00

or intimidated . But also

30:02

, um , one thing that recently God

30:04

like put in my heart from to to do

30:06

at my church was to

30:09

get young women together , because

30:12

we have a a young adults group

30:14

and we have a youth group . But

30:17

I think it's so important to

30:20

have , like , your gender

30:22

together , without

30:24

the other one , so

30:27

that you can really understand what

30:29

you're all going through , because you

30:31

know , even though you're around

30:33

your peers , if they're different

30:35

genders , you're going to have

30:37

that . You know you're

30:45

going to have

30:47

that . You know . Hold back in your mind to be fully vulnerable

30:49

and

30:54

and I think it's so powerful to have strong relationships with , as women

30:56

, with the other women in your life who are Christian , and talk about those things that

30:58

you can't talk about with guys and and

31:00

on the other side , same thing . There , you know it's

31:02

so important to build that

31:04

, those relationships versus

31:07

just seeking a partner

31:09

, you know Right .

31:12

When you , when you mentioned partner . It's interesting I

31:15

noticed that younger people , especially

31:18

with the things that the world are kind of teaching and

31:20

kind of instilling in them , that

31:23

the whole relationship thing has been kind of thrown upside

31:25

down , for young people Like

31:27

guys are having a hard time finding girls who

31:30

are conservative , who are in

31:32

terms of their beliefs and want

31:34

a spouse and want to connect

31:37

with someone who have a Christian background . Have you noticed

31:39

that's a big problem with your generation

31:42

too , that there just seems to be a real lack

31:44

of how do you find the right kind of spouse

31:46

, the right kind of mate , cause , cause society

31:48

has messed that up so badly .

31:52

Definitely . I struggled with that myself

31:54

and for so many years I was

31:56

like I don't want kids , I don't like

31:58

, I don't need , I don't want to deal with them . You

32:00

know all of this . Now , all I want to do is be married

32:03

and have kids , but , but

32:05

I think so many people in my generation

32:08

also don't want to have kids

32:10

and but

32:12

they do want to have sex . I

32:21

think , yeah , and I think society , especially with social media , has really corrupted the

32:23

order of a relationship and how it should go

32:25

, and you know that

32:29

we replace love

32:31

with lust and

32:34

people don't even know what

32:36

a deep , intimate relationship is . They don't

32:38

actually know what

32:40

love is . And I think

32:42

that's why so many people

32:45

in the younger generation need

32:47

Jesus , because that's

32:51

the only way to fully understand love

32:53

, because he is love , you

32:56

know , and it's

32:59

like for me , because , yeah

33:01

, because for me , I always sought , like love

33:03

and other people and to be

33:06

. I always just wanted to be loved and to

33:08

love someone else and all

33:10

I really needed was Jesus .

33:12

Right , I think you made a really interesting

33:15

point there , I think , because we have gotten

33:17

away from God being what love is

33:19

. Love has now been defined

33:21

by movies , by TV , by

33:23

music , by social media , and

33:25

none of those things are lasting and those things

33:27

are just empty . But if we get back to

33:30

that connection with God being

33:32

the source of love and that love flows

33:34

from him , I think we better

33:36

connect with each other .

33:39

Oh yeah , I , my relationships , like

33:41

even just friendships and everything like

33:43

have gotten so much better and

33:46

deeper since following

33:49

God , because I am

33:51

able to be transparent . I don't

33:54

need to feel shame , I

33:56

can talk about things

33:58

I would never have talked about . You

34:00

know , you know .

34:01

Yeah , this

34:03

has been great . Anything , I haven't asked you that I should

34:06

have asked you .

34:09

Um , I don't think so

34:11

there . Um , one thing that I did want to mention

34:13

again with you know , the sex and and

34:15

and love and

34:17

how we are

34:20

so deceived right now is , towards

34:22

the end of my new

34:25

ageness and getting saved

34:27

. I was so confused

34:30

because of brokenness and people

34:32

telling me this and that

34:34

and and my trauma

34:36

, that I literally

34:39

had come out as pansexual

34:41

. I'm like , well , I love everyone

34:43

, right , like which , I think

34:45

anyone who , anyone who

34:47

thinks they're pansexual just needs Jesus

34:50

, Cause they , they do love everyone . They just don't

34:52

need to have sex with everyone . And

34:57

that's where I was . I was like , well , what's the point

34:59

If I know , I ultimately want to be with a man

35:01

? Like I don't understand . It was

35:04

so confused and

35:06

like I thank God every

35:08

day because I

35:10

just I thought I was going crazy . I was

35:12

like going to be ruining a multiple

35:15

friendships . It was just like so

35:18

toxic

35:21

.

35:21

Right , no , that's . That's very insightful . I hadn't

35:24

thought about that part of it , but I'm

35:26

glad you mentioned that , because a lot of people do

35:28

seem very confused

35:31

about their identity , because their identity is

35:33

not through God , it's through something else , and

35:35

if your identity is through your sexuality

35:37

or your sexual preference , I think you kind

35:39

of missed the creation of who

35:42

you really are through God .

35:45

Exactly . And when you're a people pleaser

35:47

and you're just trying to be something

35:49

for everyone else and then sex gets

35:51

involved , you will say , oh

35:53

, I'm this because I just need that love

35:55

, I just want to be loved , and so if you love

35:57

me , I'll be this for you , you know

35:59

. And so , yeah , it's so

36:02

much , very insightful .

36:03

So , jordan , I always like to ask my guests this question

36:06

what do you want your legacy to be ?

36:11

I I definitely want to just

36:13

share the

36:16

truth . I think my legacy is

36:18

just sharing my story and truth

36:25

. I think my legacy is just sharing my story and so many parts of

36:27

it . Like one of the things I had been avoiding and that

36:29

God was like you should do this , I need you to do this was

36:31

was public speaking and

36:33

sharing my story , because

36:36

I have so many things

36:38

that I actually was telling

36:40

a friend from church and she's like

36:42

your life sounds

36:44

like a movie and

36:48

I was like I didn't realize

36:50

like that so much had happened . But now that you're

36:52

saying that I do have a lot I could I

36:54

could tell people about . So

36:58

definitely just sharing

37:00

everything God has done in my

37:02

life and and to be able

37:04

to touch other people and make heaven

37:06

crowded .

37:07

That's great . So you have a book right there . Right

37:09

, you should be writing a book right now .

37:13

I actually am , that's

37:18

great , great minds .

37:20

Take a look . Yes

37:27

, amen , that's great see great minds .

37:28

Take a look

37:31

, yes , amen . Well , jordan , thanks so much for being on the podcast

37:33

. What can people find you on social media and connect

37:35

with you ? Yes , thank you so much for inviting me and

37:37

, um , so you can find me on Jordan J-O-R-D-A-N , underscore

37:40

Roche R-O-C-H-E

37:42

, and on

37:44

Facebook , too , jordan Roche . And

37:47

then I'm also on TikTok

37:49

and that's Jordy

37:52

J-O-R-D-E-E , underscore

37:55

R-E-E-D . But

38:00

my website also has like a lot of them . So

38:02

if you go to BeKindToFutureYoucom

38:05

, you can

38:07

find a lot of free resources and

38:09

the links to all of my social media .

38:11

Well , jordan , thanks so much and I'm so glad that we

38:14

had this opportunity to kind of share how God's

38:16

been blessing you and the journey God's

38:18

taken you on , and blessings on that book you're writing

38:20

, and may it inspire other people to

38:22

start that journey as well , those who have drifted

38:25

away .

38:27

Yes , thank you so much . It's been such a blessing to

38:30

share with you and hopefully touch

38:32

a lot of lives .

38:32

Me . I hope so .

38:35

Yes .