The pub quiz is going strong, it's neck and neck but Ian & JP check in and discuss why it's important to put value first in transformations. JP talks about finally going surfing again in north Devon and actually catching some waves, discusses the new Mortal Kombat film reboot and preparing to go camping but is nervous about the windy and wet weather due. Ian is getting into a new album by Myles Kennedy "The Ides of March" whilst stacking the dishwasher. Our hosts continue to discuss the importance of putting value first and bringing to life around what value is, the various forms of value and how it needs to be applicable to everyone impacted by the changes.
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