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Eight.

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My Evers and my Evers? I

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am Princess Week. And my name is

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Tessa netting, and you are listening to

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always. Of course. And each week, we're

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gonna skim the surface of what's popular in geek

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culture, then deep dive into the lore of a

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Netflix world bigger than our own. Today,

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we are talking about the adaptation of one of my

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favorite book series that has

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now finally come out after so

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so many years. The school

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for good and evil.

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Yes. Oh my goodness. For

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Princess. I'm so

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excited to finally talk about

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this with you especially since I saw

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this so so long ago I

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geeked week and I haven't been able to talk

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with anyone especially you because

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I knew you were a fan, so I am so

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hyped for the I literally would like, I

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can't wait to say this to one, watch it and

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be finally be like Tessa. Tell me all

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of your opinions. So now we get to do that.

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Yay. And we have a lovely

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treat for all of y'all listeners. We got

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to sit down in the call feed. Himself,

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the director and producer. What

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did tree, so that's something to look forward

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to as we get into all this

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never having drama. But before

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we get into all of Tessa. definitely.

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One has got eGake this

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week.

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Well,

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this week, let's

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see. I bought my tickets

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for knives out. So

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I'm hype because I

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do wanna see it in theaters after

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Thanksgiving. then it'll

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be on Netflix for the holiday

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season, so then I can enjoy

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it over and over again in the

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conference. of my own home

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because that personally to

1:57

me is my favorite

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thing where

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I I'll see something in the theater but

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then I'll rewatch it, like,

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at home. To me, that is perfect

2:06

because I don't know. I'm

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the if I like something, I will see

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it so many times in theaters.

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Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? At a time,

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I saw some I saw, like, Black Panther four

2:18

times in theaters. Of course. Of course. Of course of pray. Like, four

2:20

times in theaters. Wait. I I

2:22

can see a movie multiple times, but then when you

2:24

have it at home Is it expensive though? It

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adds it's expensive. It does. And we

2:28

don't have AMC MoviePass anymore

2:31

and, like, MoviePass. Mhmm. When MoviePass

2:33

was out, I was seeing movies every day.

2:36

Well, that turned out to be a scam. So

2:38

unfortunately The MLMs.

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I know. But, yeah, it's one of those

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things where I'm I'm hyped for that because

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I I'm excited for both different

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experiences. Mhmm. And then

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also just see it with my family, like, at home because

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they will just, like, refuse to watch something like that

2:53

in the theater. But if it's, like, at home and it's

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around Christmas. They're like, oh, what should we watch?

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And I'm like, here we go. This is what we're

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watching. And I will force it upon

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them and they're gonna be obsessed with it like always.

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I love that. So there's that.

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And then the other thing that

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I'm geeked about this week is I found

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out that Fred Armisen

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is playing Uncle Fester in

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Wednesday. So So so that

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to me is Great. Because

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I think he is hilarious.

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So I'm down. That is great casting. I

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love just like that

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they pick somebody who I don't think anyone expected.

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Right. So not at all. Yeah.

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And he's also Latino.

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Like, I think his his mother is from

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Venezuela. So it, like, fits in perfectly

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with the whole strange

3:43

machinations of the of the Adam's family.

3:45

And leaning more Latino this time.

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So, yeah, that's a that's a good casting for

3:49

them. Mhmm. So that's that's

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those two things have got me excited. Now, lives

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out and Wednesday. What about

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you, Princess? Well,

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I am, you know, after

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this post comma con wash, I'm

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just kind of, like, enjoying sales,

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relaxing at I just got

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a game code for the video

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game gotham nights, so I'm excited to play

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as my good son and best

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boy Robin well, not the best boy, but

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Jason Todd,

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which I who I absolutely love, and

4:20

As of this recording, the trailer

4:22

for season two of the Warrior Nine

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just came out, and I feel like

4:26

people have been waiting for the second season for Warrior

4:28

Nine for ten thousand years. I

4:30

believe it's filmed in Brazil. four years.

4:33

Just in many four years. Yes. And it's

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like it's filmed in Spain and

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all over the world. South America. So I'm

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really glad that they are coming

4:42

back, that we're going to be having some,

4:44

you know, a cult detective, superhero

4:47

weirdness. I wanna see

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everything good happen for sister

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slash shotgun Mary. And just,

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you know, there's I love clear nuns. I

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love. nuns. And

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I like looking at Spain from the comfort

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of my own home. So I'm looking forward

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to to travel to España

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from home. I I went to Spain

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once for a friend's wedding,

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and it was pretty incredible.

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But the thing that like,

5:14

was wild to me that I

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could not, like, just grasp is

5:18

that it is so light

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out, like, at night and

5:22

it's so weird. Like,

5:24

also things don't open until later.

5:26

So, like, they don't have dinner until, like,

5:28

ten o'clock or something. And so if you wake

5:30

up, like, early, then

5:32

there's nothing open. Like, no restaurants,

5:34

no food. Like, nothing is because they're all,

5:36

like, sleeping because they stay up all night because

5:38

the sun is so different and it's

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wild. And I was like, wow. you sold

5:42

it on Madrid. I'm going, well,

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it was so fun. Honestly, I

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had the most fun time. It was

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incredible. I also went during,

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I think, pride for them, so it was

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even better. Oh, god. Daylight's

5:55

everywhere. That sounds amazing.

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It really drives. I'll just bring my or she speaks

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Spanish, she'd be like, you do you translates,

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and I'll drink. And I'll

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just I had a Brissy with

6:05

me and she. speaks Spanish. So

6:07

that's why I was like, okay, we're good. You can

6:10

make sure that we are not getting,

6:12

you know, traffic. Yeah. Exactly.

6:14

Since to a wrong place, like getting

6:16

into a cabin, you know where we're going, and what they're

6:18

saying, like, because I would have no idea.

6:20

It's my biggest flaw.

6:22

I cannot speak any other language. I

6:25

can I can I can read French

6:27

really well. I can speak it okay,

6:29

but my biggest burden is that I speak

6:31

every language with a New

6:33

York nasal accent. So, like, if

6:36

there's nothing worse than say, another

6:38

language with no

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in changing inflexible, how do you ever lose

6:42

sound? Oh, wow. It's so

6:44

fucking like just goes, like, I

6:46

I can't explain it. like,

6:49

you know, like, stop up again. You know,

6:51

like, whatever.

6:53

Yes. I know that very well.

6:56

I know that very well. It's so

6:58

embarrassing. But you know what? I'm geeked

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for it. I'm geeked for you. I'm geeked

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for us. And that's what's got

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us geeked this week.

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Alright. My loves, before we

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decide which one of us is an ever and which

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one is an ever. We are going to chat with

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director and producer of the film,

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Paul Feag. And if

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you don't know what school for Good and Evil is,

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here is my Rapid Fire Snop this. Best

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friend Sophie and Agatha find themselves on

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opposing sides of an epic battle

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where they are swept away into an enchanted

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school where aspiring heroes and villains

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are trained to protect the balance

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between

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good and evil. Or

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are they? Don't don't don't.

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And now that you're caught up, here's mister

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Pete.

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First of all, you trans,

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spy was brilliant. Everything you do

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is

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so fascinating and beautiful and interesting.

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So thank you for your time. Oh,

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thank you. And

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so the first thing we wanna ask is what made

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you wanna adapt this film,

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the school for getting evil, what made you wanna make

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it? I love the the story.

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You know, I'm always looking for for

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great stories about three-dimensional,

8:08

you know, female characters, and

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I love friendships. stories, female

8:12

friendship stories, and this just kinda had

8:14

it all because I just the whole

8:16

idea of this friendship that's so strong, but

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then goes through the

8:21

fire kind of as one person

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gets, you know, pulled into a world that the

8:25

other person is trying to save them from and

8:27

and and button who never gives up on

8:29

that person I just I I loved

8:31

it. Absolutely loved it. And and then,

8:33

you know, I've been dying to be able to

8:35

create a world from scratch

8:37

and knowing that this is a world

8:39

that literally doesn't exist

8:41

other than in book form, visually or

8:43

whatsoever. And so that was real

8:45

catnip to me too. So those two combined to

8:47

just saying, like, I have to do this movie. And

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do you know were you looking for

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something specific in casting, Sophie,

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and Agatha? Because the Sophie's

8:55

were so perfect. And their

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chemistry was amazing. So

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is it like when you saw them together, you knew

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immediately?

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Yeah. Well, it was weird because, you know, I

9:04

saw Sophie and Caruso on

9:06

Broadway in Beatles' Juice. But this was

9:08

before I I even knew that this

9:10

project existed. And I just kinda was said, I

9:12

have to work with her. you know, I don't know on what, but

9:14

I just have to work on show. I kinda kept her

9:16

on my list. So when I read

9:18

this, my first instinct was like, oh, she'd

9:20

be agofit. She'd be a perfect agofit because

9:22

she's got that look, you know, that kinda copied,

9:24

like, in it. But then -- Yeah. -- you know, when I once I

9:26

talk to her and stuff, like, oh, no. She's

9:28

Sophie. She's just two feels

9:30

like a a friendly loose cannon because you

9:32

kinda don't know what she's gonna do. And

9:34

so it's just like, okay, she's soapy. But

9:36

then, you know, we then we just started auditioning

9:39

a lot of people for the Agatha because I wasn't sure

9:41

who. And actually, I had

9:43

decided on on another actor

9:45

who I thought was really, really good.

9:47

And so we did a chemistry read,

9:49

but we were setting that up. But then

9:51

but then Sofia Wiley's tape came

9:53

through, and I was like, wow, she's really good.

9:56

But then I was like, I don't know. I I think I need to see more out

9:58

of everybody. I'm gonna make everybody do

10:01

the the the big scene at the end where, you

10:03

know, the big deficit scene at the end

10:05

And even my cashmere is like, she goes, that's not fair.

10:07

Like, that's really bad to make people do

10:09

something that heavy, you know, acting

10:11

against Nobody. And I

10:13

was every actor will be horrified by

10:15

the story. I was out on a

10:18

walk with my phone and

10:20

her audition came in. I was so excited to watch

10:22

it that I just I just watched it on

10:24

my phone as I was walking, which

10:26

is terrible. You should never do that.

10:29

But it was so I was literally,

10:31

like, crying on my walk,

10:33

watching my phone. The neighbors thought I was lost

10:35

my mind. And it was just like, oh

10:37

my gosh. So then I brought her and the other

10:39

person who I was thinking of doing and we had

10:41

to do because of COVID, we had to do the

10:43

chemistry read on Zoom. which

10:45

is crazy. You don't normally, they're sitting

10:47

with each other and you see them face to face and you see

10:49

how their chemistry is. But the

10:52

Sofia's had the craziest

10:54

amount of chemistry over

10:56

Zoom. And I was like, if they can nail

10:58

this over Zoom, then we are on

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fire. And so the rest is

11:02

history. to

11:02

some fun. If you

11:04

had a fairy tale parent, if you went to

11:06

school for

11:06

good and evil, hero or villain,

11:09

who would you want to be?

11:11

your fairy tale parent. Oh, man. That's

11:13

a good one. Gosh.

11:15

I mean, from our movie or just

11:18

from anything, It could be from

11:19

any fairy tale, any, like, a

11:21

personal one that you connect with. Right. You

11:23

know? That would be your Yeah. I know.

11:25

It's oh, gosh. you've

11:27

you've you've almost stumped me with this. The

11:31

first thing here's why I'm having trouble with

11:33

this is I, growing up, didn't

11:35

like fairytale. because they were

11:37

terrified. Oh, they were all terrified.

11:39

They are terrified. Everything always went

11:41

wrong. And somebody got killed, you know, it would never

11:43

send more reality tales. And I was like, I'm

11:46

afraid of all of them. So I'm trying to think I mean,

11:48

obviously, I think Cinderella's fairy

11:50

godmother was, you know, she'd be cool

11:52

because she could give you all kinds of good

11:54

stuff and and she seemed really nice and

11:56

impatient and all that. So yeah. Yeah. That's

11:58

a good one. And then you also have

12:00

your own magic fairy powers no matter

12:03

it. See exactly. So as long as I've

12:05

got something I can do, that's all I

12:07

ask.

12:07

Yeah. Oh, definitely. You got it made.

12:09

So was there one particular sequence

12:11

in the book that you were really,

12:13

really excited about bringing to life for

12:15

one that was a little challenging. And

12:17

there's so many sequences that were I

12:19

was excited about. The Wish Fish

12:21

scene was definitely one that I was very excited

12:23

about. That's kinda everybody always talks about

12:25

that scene both in the book and in the script. They

12:27

would always like kinda single that out. So

12:29

I I was really excited about that, you know,

12:32

and to just to have that kind

12:34

of emotion, but it was that was a

12:36

really hard challenging one to

12:38

get the special effects right for.

12:40

Because the idea that this

12:42

one young woman is the

12:44

wish fish, you know,

12:46

it was always kinda she was getting, you know, when you're

12:48

trying to do it, it was always she was getting pulled out of a bunch of

12:50

fish. I was like, no. She is the fish, so we have to

12:52

figure out how to make it look like these all

12:54

these fish are weaving back into

12:56

a person. But we really nailed it. But, I

12:58

mean, it it was the poor special

13:00

effects team. God bless them. They really, you know, they

13:02

went through a lot on that one. So I love that, but

13:04

also a Hester's tattoo. Yeah.

13:06

So good. And I love that too.

13:08

Yeah. But that was challenging too because I would just,

13:10

you know, you know, we were trying to to do

13:12

everything very real. And, you

13:14

know, and I never want actors kind

13:16

of acting against tennis balls and all that kind

13:18

of thing. And I I don't do much green screen. Like,

13:20

all our sets are real, you know, and then

13:22

we do a little bit of a sense extension where

13:24

we all fill in holes or lights or

13:26

whatever. But, you know, so we

13:28

have we have this great puppeteer on

13:30

on set called Mikey who he

13:33

was always in, like, the blue suit, the green suit,

13:35

or whatever. but we made this big kind of

13:37

tester's demon green

13:39

puppet that he would fly around the

13:41

set and kind of torment Sophie

13:43

with and and so we could all know where

13:45

it was. So that was really fun, but then

13:47

we had like flame bars that we would do for certain

13:50

things because I wanted the feel of the flames

13:52

obviously very safely. know, and then move then

13:54

swinging these lights around with the with

13:56

the puppet because you want that light

13:58

interaction on the people. You know? If it's just pure

14:00

special effects and, like, nothing was in

14:02

the room, don't feel it on people.

14:04

It it feels fake. So -- Right. -- so that

14:06

was fun, but that was really challenging. And and we

14:08

got when we blew out the window when

14:10

the wasp come in. That's that's actually

14:12

Sofia and Caruso standing there

14:14

with this giant air can and

14:16

just blast that window up. or

14:18

behind her. She was, you know, safe and covered,

14:21

but still I was like, okay. You're

14:23

gonna you're gonna feel this, my friend.

14:25

I

14:25

feel like as

14:27

a Broadway actress, she must have loved that because

14:29

Beildress is all puppet interaction so far.

14:31

She's like, I do. Oh, she loved it. No. She's

14:33

like, I get blown wires every night.

14:35

So the funny thing was when we were shooting all that

14:37

stuff in the forest for the trial of tails,

14:39

especially in the in the flowers. she just became

14:41

so enamored with stunts that her whole thing was like, I think I

14:43

wanna be a stuntwoman. I was like, well,

14:46

be be like Tom Cruise. Keep acting, but

14:48

do your stunts. Thank

14:50

you. Do it all. Don't do privates of your

14:52

wonderful acting skills, please.

14:53

Well, you are a

14:55

very stylish man, and your all

14:57

your films have, like, really

14:59

beautiful costuming and designs, and

15:01

that also is in this film.

15:03

So were there any costume

15:05

moments that she really enjoyed because there were

15:07

so many amazing gowns.

15:09

Just

15:09

beautiful gowns. Yeah. But, I mean, I loved all

15:11

of it. That's my favorite thing. And, you

15:14

know, ReneKelfis, my amazing cosmon

15:16

designer who did simple favor with me and last

15:18

Christmas. You know, we love it.

15:20

And so I just said you're gonna

15:22

have half hardest job you've ever had, the most

15:24

fun job. And, you know, we just

15:26

started sending these boards back and forth

15:28

of all these reference pictures from fashion

15:31

magazines, books, and old photos, and new

15:33

photos. because I just wanted to make sure

15:35

that there was no unifying

15:37

feel to the costumes because this is

15:39

a school where all the different

15:41

cultures from all over the world, every fairy

15:43

tale comes in, you know, into the book,

15:45

they have uniforms, and I was like, that's too

15:47

Harry Potterish for me. I want all these people

15:49

to come in. Yeah. You know, because I've I didn't

15:51

have uniforms in school, and so you you kinda

15:53

judged everybody's personality by how

15:55

they dressed, you know, or that was your at least your

15:57

intro with them. And so yeah. So we

15:59

really went for it. It was

16:01

really fun to, you know, kind of

16:03

design Agatha's gabbled in look, which

16:05

was based on the idea that basically

16:07

she kinda gets all her clothes from dead

16:09

people, you know. Whoever gets

16:11

married in the cemetery, you know, they

16:13

get the leftover clothes. So

16:16

that was fun. And then with with with Sophie who's

16:18

the seamstress who wants to be a princess

16:20

that, you know, we Renee and I just had

16:22

so much fun kind of like, how would she cobble

16:25

together a gown? out of all

16:27

the just scraps that she finds around

16:29

the town. So that that gown is actually

16:31

quite elaborate when you get in close with it of

16:33

how it's made up out of a million different pieces

16:35

of stuff. So that was fun. And then

16:37

when we got to the school, it was really just

16:39

how how do we put Agatha in the most

16:42

anti Agatha clothes that we

16:44

can, you know. And that Renate signed that

16:46

giant first dress with this giant

16:48

bell bell soap. I

16:50

wish I could wear every

16:52

every little girl. like

16:55

at this. So much fun. Big

16:58

girls too. I was just like, I wanna Well,

17:00

we have that gag though when she said sound the

17:02

first time hoop pops up. And that really

17:04

happened the first time she sat down when trying

17:06

it on. I was like, okay. That's not gonna go in the movie. It's

17:08

too funny. then

17:10

I think, you know, designing Charley's

17:12

clothes was really fun.

17:15

Yeah. because, you know, look, I'm a superstar

17:17

guy, as you know. And, you

17:19

know, in the book, it's more she's almost more

17:21

kinda like Marticia Adams sort of, you know,

17:23

the black dress. Mhmm. I remember. Yeah.

17:26

But, like, neither Charlie's or I were

17:28

kind of interested in going that route because, you know,

17:30

Charley said it was important to her that, like, Lesos

17:32

just has a uniform. She doesn't she's

17:34

she's given up. You know, like, Eve Eve will

17:36

never win such like screw just gonna

17:38

wear the same, you know, three outfits all

17:40

the time. And so, you know, so then we went

17:42

to the hyper tailoring because she really likes,

17:45

you know, how I dress and I'm very into men's

17:47

tailoring. You know, we did it with

17:49

Blake Lively in simple favors, so we just kinda

17:51

took it to the nth degree. Yeah.

17:53

And just so much fun. You know, then finally, with

17:56

Sophie's looks once she starts to do her

17:58

transformation, you know, we wanted

17:59

to be that she's cobbling stuff

18:02

from the school for evil. So all those outfits

18:04

are basically made out of, you know, fabrics that we

18:06

have for curtains and table cloths

18:09

and burlap sacks and all that kind of

18:11

things. So, you know, the the sheets and all

18:13

that. So yeah. So I wanted to feel

18:15

organic that

18:15

way. Incredible. Honestly, I think the costumes

18:17

are one of my favorite parts of the whole movie.

18:20

Is there a character

18:22

in this film that you

18:24

really personally connected with or

18:26

one that you wanted to make

18:28

sure that they were portrayed a certain way.

18:30

Well, I

18:30

mean, I think everybody who loves the

18:32

series, loves Agatha because, you know,

18:34

She is the audience. She is the one

18:36

coming into the situation going, like, this is

18:39

crazy. You know, everything you guys are

18:41

teaching and believe is nuts and

18:43

it's wrong. you know. So I really want to make sure that we

18:45

preserved her, you know, kind

18:47

of rebellious

18:49

nature, but also that

18:52

she's real, that she does get affected by this

18:54

stuff. She does get pulled into it. And and

18:56

and, you know, it's way better than the life

18:58

she has back and gabbled in

19:00

which trying to burn her. You know? So so

19:02

that whole thing so so yeah. So I really

19:04

love Agatha and I want to guard

19:06

her, but also Sophie

19:08

you know, in the book Sophie's a real challenging character.

19:10

She's really pushes the

19:13

every Yeah. favorite character. She's

19:16

so She's so good. Yeah. Exactly. A

19:18

lot of opinions. She shifts on a

19:20

dime. And, yeah, I just wanted to make

19:22

sure that, you know, sometimes things

19:24

in books read

19:26

really fun. And then on the screen, it's

19:28

like you're like, oh, it's too much.

19:31

So it was really fun finding

19:33

with with Sofia and Caruso,

19:35

those levels and where we could push, where we

19:37

could pull back, where because she could be sort of

19:40

petulant where she could be, you

19:42

know, giving into her evil side, but then

19:44

always seeing, like, she's still in like, the,

19:46

you know, the good person is still inside her

19:48

even though, you know, She's still the person who will whack

19:50

somebody over there with a with a frying

19:52

pan if if they get in agatha's face.

19:54

So yeah. So I really want to guard the two

19:56

of them. one of

19:56

the things I wonder is, like, we talked about the special

19:59

effects. Sophie's transformation,

20:01

you know, just going from, like,

20:03

you know, every little bid of it.

20:05

And I've noticed I was at how much what

20:08

did

20:08

the sofis get to also

20:11

incorporate their own personality and style into

20:13

the character design. Because it just like I

20:15

feel like you are someone who does communicate

20:17

with your actors in that. There's no wonder how much of

20:19

it was them bringing stuff, and what was it like

20:21

to get to transform. Sophie,

20:24

Sophie, and from, like, I

20:26

wanna be a princess long hair to, like, looking

20:28

like the the biggest rock

20:30

in art. It was

20:33

fun. I yeah. Like you said, I

20:35

I really empower my

20:37

lead actors to find their

20:39

looks. You know, like, Charley just completely invented that look

20:41

for herself with the red wig and everything. She's she's

20:43

this one model. I can't remember the model name. It has

20:45

hair like that. She was like, I don't even play the red hat.

20:47

Can I do this? you know and then she did her

20:49

own makeup for the movies. She would actually do her own makeup at makeup in

20:51

the morning. So so I do that with everybody. And

20:53

it was really fun as we

20:55

were kinda designing the costumes to have to

20:58

have our two, you know, leading

21:00

ladies way in. And they were

21:02

just kinda finding their comfort level

21:04

stuff. And going like, I'd like this to be, you know, more elaborate or

21:06

I think this should be tighter, this should be

21:08

more, you know, I don't

21:11

know, punkier or or, you know, to to get that feel of

21:13

the the moments that they were in in the

21:15

movie. So, you know, they really embraced it

21:17

and and were very collaborative with

21:19

us on it. and then, you know,

21:22

for for Sofia Anne to, you

21:24

know, have to begin to turn into an

21:26

old old witch. you

21:28

know, that that working with our our, you know, we have a

21:30

had a great kind of special effects makeup

21:32

guy, and this guy named Christian, designed,

21:35

like, four different phases of how

21:37

she would turn. You know, but you

21:39

had to become, you know, like

21:41

a fairy tale witch.

21:43

So so -- Mhmm. -- you know, the

21:45

features are over the top. I mean, the nose

21:47

is ridiculous. by the end. It's, you know, it's like

21:49

a beak or something, but it it looks like every

21:51

old, you know, drawing

21:53

etching of, like, a witch you would

21:55

see. And Sofia Anne just she really

21:57

embraced it, you know. And the big thing was

21:59

we were always talking about, like, does your voice change?

22:01

Does it get more? And she decided, and

22:03

I loved it. She goes, I actually

22:05

think it's creepier if I just keep

22:07

my regular voice. wish. Right. It's

22:09

an old woman that was like, oh, man,

22:11

I love that. You know? So that was

22:13

kinda just like that was brilliant because I never

22:15

would have thought of that. I would have had her gone on her and

22:17

some kind of, you know, corny voice.

22:20

So God bless her for coming

22:21

up with that. because we are the geek podcast, what

22:24

is something that you

22:26

personally geek out about? It

22:28

could be like a movie, book,

22:30

show, any sort of thing that

22:32

brings you so much, like, personal

22:34

inner, fanboy, joy.

22:36

Well, I I geek out about clothes.

22:38

in in in style. Yeah. I

22:41

mean, I really do geek out in fashion, but

22:43

I'm not a not not so much a

22:45

fashion fan as a style fan.

22:47

you know, because I think fashion comes in

22:49

trying to surprise trying to, like,

22:51

blow the walls of the place. You

22:54

know, it would be, like, you know, you see lot of, like, you know, I like watching fashion

22:56

shows and I've been to things like, you know, the Tom Brown

22:58

show in in Paris. And you're just like,

23:00

what are they wearing? This is

23:02

crazy. there's an this is an old man thing,

23:04

but there's an old episode of of

23:06

the the three stooges where they're

23:08

hiding out as carpenters, but they they're

23:10

carpenters and they go to this,

23:12

get they're hiding out in like a fashion

23:14

place. And so they make clothes and there's

23:16

this fashion show, but they're all the dresses

23:18

and everything look like furniture.

23:20

It's crazy. But I was so I watched some

23:22

of I watched these fashion shows ago, like,

23:24

it looks like the threese two just designed some

23:26

of this stuff. you know, some of it's

23:29

just way over the top. But

23:31

but I get so excited when I see

23:33

cool stuff, you know, but I I

23:35

love I love real classic traditional

23:38

men's styling. And then for women,

23:40

I I think this guy's the limit for women, you know,

23:42

because you just have you have more

23:44

options you can you can do. At least that

23:46

makes sense to me. Well, in in the

23:46

schools for good and evil, if you were

23:49

enrolled, do you think that you would be a

23:51

never or an ever? Well, you know,

23:52

I'd love to be a never, but I

23:54

would definitely be an over

23:56

because I'm too much of a goody too shoes. So

23:59

I'm feeling here.

23:59

Yeah. I mean, I'm good.

24:01

So, yeah, we all said that we're like, we wanna

24:03

be evil so bad, but we just have

24:06

much

24:06

for that. Exactly. Exactly. Can

24:08

we just be, you know, like, a

24:10

cool let's be cool Evers, you

24:13

know? Like, Yeah. Oh

24:15

my

24:15

gosh. Well, thank you so much, Paul, for

24:17

sitting down and talking to us. This

24:20

was such a treat and we are both we

24:22

love the movie. We both have watched it. We

24:24

both are obsessed. Love it. We can't wait for

24:26

everybody else to see it in fall

24:28

and love. Oh, so

24:29

congrats. Absolutely. No. That makes you

24:31

so happy. Thank you. And I'm a big fan of both

24:33

of you. I think you're both so great and keep doing your

24:35

keep doing what you do. It's a really fun note

24:37

to watch what you do. so

24:40

you.

24:45

Alright.

24:45

Now it is time to talk about

24:48

school for Good and Evil. And I wanna

24:50

start with you telling us

24:52

about like how you found

24:55

this book series because I'd never read the books before. I just

24:57

went into this, like, without any

24:59

backstory, but you have this

25:01

whole, like, you've

25:03

loved this series, so I wanna know where that

25:05

came from and then like get

25:07

into this movie because I

25:09

need to know all of your thoughts. So I got

25:11

into this book series pretty much like

25:13

a couple years out of

25:14

college. I used to work at Barnes and

25:17

Nobles in Brooklyn, And

25:19

one of my really good coworkers there, Page Turner,

25:22

shout out to you if you're listening. We just like

25:24

to read books together, and so we started

25:26

picking up this series because It

25:28

was pretty. It was hardcover. We were

25:30

both into it. And I just remember

25:32

laying in bed and just starting it and just being

25:34

like, okay. Okay. Oh

25:37

shit. Oh, shit. Like, I just kept, like, ramping up and I

25:39

just really loved the story,

25:41

the characters. I love Sophie.

25:44

She's my one of my favorite

25:46

villains of all time. I can't settle for

25:48

an ordinary life. And

25:50

I just I got sucked in,

25:52

so sucked in that I actually I

25:54

think I forgot that it is

25:56

a young adult middle grade

25:58

book series. Oh, how

25:59

much? It's so interesting when you

26:02

read middle grade as

26:04

an adult. what you latch

26:06

onto because I feel

26:08

like the the thing about when I saw the movie. So

26:10

I saw the movie and I was

26:12

like, okay. I went

26:13

instantly back and started reading the book

26:15

again. I'm like, oh, I think

26:17

I forgot a

26:18

lot of the setup. And I just

26:21

focused really on, like, the,

26:23

like, super gay drama between.

26:25

So he is Agatha. And just --

26:27

Yeah. -- I was like, Sophie's

26:30

villain journey. which is always so

26:32

epic to me that,

26:34

like, I was so excited about that. And I feel

26:36

like with the movie, all the creators

26:38

have said that, like, it's not direct

26:40

adaptation that it's very different in

26:42

terms of different ways, but it hits all the

26:44

same plot points. And I would say that

26:46

is very true. it, like, it hits all

26:48

of the narrative benchmarks of

26:51

the story. The tone is a little bit

26:53

different. It definitely feels a

26:55

little bit more enchanted

26:58

ish. Like, it definitely feels like it's fitting

27:00

into that since fives. Yeah. I feel like

27:02

it's fitting into that, you know, monster

27:04

high descendants. Like, how

27:06

do we play with the fairy tale thing a a bit

27:08

more. There were some music cues that

27:10

happened. I was just kinda like, okay. So this is how we're

27:12

doing this. Alright. I see you. Alright. I got a little

27:14

Bilya Eilers saw, a little biz. I

27:16

loved that. It was not that I didn't like it

27:18

just it didn't happen before. So what all of a

27:20

sudden is like, you should

27:22

see me in a crowd. I was like, alright. I was

27:24

like, okay. I was like, oh,

27:26

this is smaller, but I wish you had done

27:28

this earlier so I could have

27:30

expected but I did get into it. I think everything with

27:32

Sophie to me was like, and I love the

27:34

actress who plays, Agatha. I

27:36

think that they kind

27:36

of rushed through her

27:39

stuff, but I get

27:41

that they were trying to just kind of like, you know,

27:43

it's

27:43

a middle grade book series. They wanna hit all

27:45

the benchmarks if you wanna read the

27:47

books you can, but I did love that. And I also loved

27:49

how much fun the adult actors

27:51

is specifically Charlize they're on. Charlize

27:55

was enjoying herself so

27:57

much. Like, she and Carrie Washington

27:59

were hammering it

27:59

up. We've been expecting you. It was

28:02

fantastic.

28:02

amazing. Charlie's

28:04

was like, yes, I'm gonna be the evil queen

28:06

again, but this time I'm the evil school

28:08

of feminine energy. It was

28:11

just that it was so good. But I I really was

28:13

into it. I enjoyed it. It

28:15

just took me a second to remind

28:17

myself. I am

28:19

not the audience for and I was so, like,

28:21

twenty thirteen.

28:22

I was, like,

28:24

almost ten years ago.

28:26

So it's like I have to remember, like, oh, I was, like,

28:28

twenty when these books came out. I probably read them

28:30

when I was, like, twenty two

28:32

or something. And so, like,

28:34

I have grown a lot, and these

28:37

characters have grown a lot to

28:39

me because the book series just edited in twenty

28:41

twenty. So it's going back to the beginning.

28:43

It's kind of like when you read sorcerer,

28:45

philosopher's stone, and you're like I

28:47

I understand these. I have the same thing with Percy

28:49

Jackson, the Percy Jackson series. So

28:51

I know exactly what you're talking about.

28:54

It's like, You forget that

28:56

these are, like, actual kids folks.

28:58

Right. Like, hey, these are

29:00

children who are being so extra. But

29:02

I would say, like, they're so good though. They're so

29:04

good. because they're so good. Like, it

29:06

was one of those things that the to

29:08

me, the concept of this

29:11

story was so brilliant.

29:13

Like, are you kidding me? Like,

29:15

a school? Like, this is where all the great

29:17

fairy tales begin, like,

29:19

origin of all the heroes and villains and all the greatest

29:21

stories. Like, this is where they're trained and taught.

29:23

I'm like, oh my god.

29:26

This is I love

29:28

that. The school for good and

29:29

evil. Where the true story behind

29:31

every great fairy tale begins, the

29:35

school for good prains the

29:37

heroes. The school

29:39

for

29:39

evil, the villains.

29:41

And I

29:42

like, Sophie's Sophie's bait and switch when she

29:45

just is like, well, if

29:47

good a defense and evil

29:49

attacks, then I guess Whoops.

29:51

Where the I was kind of, like, I remember when I read

29:53

the book and I was like,

29:55

like, I was just so

29:56

what y'all was watching out of the show. I had the

29:59

exact same, like, fuck.

30:01

Yeah. We did. We won't. It

30:04

it

30:04

it was it was that same kind of, like, thrill.

30:06

So I just think any kid who, like,

30:08

was a a fan of these books when they were,

30:10

like, middle grade or, like,

30:12

a young teen watching it now, we'll still get,

30:14

like, a very big kick out of it. Just

30:16

remember, like, you know, you experience

30:18

the books differently than how it will

30:20

be for the generation coming

30:22

after you. So I I make sure to always

30:24

keep it in mind. Oh, yeah. I

30:27

mean, this

30:27

movie, I I loved it.

30:29

I really did. I absolutely loved it.

30:31

But, like, one of those things when I was

30:33

watching it, I just kept thinking,

30:36

like little baby tessa would be

30:39

obsessed -- Oh, same.

30:42

-- obsessed. with this movie. Like,

30:44

are you kidding me? Like, if me

30:46

and my sister watched this when

30:48

we were like twelve -- Mhmm. -- or a

30:50

like, this would be our entire

30:52

personality. like, the entire summer

30:54

we would be playing. Like, let's play school for

30:56

good and evil, and we'd pick, like, the characters

30:58

and be, like, It's perfect.

31:01

Like, it's so good. And it doesn't

31:03

help that, like, when Sophie goes to her

31:05

evil transformation and gets her hair caught off,

31:07

she lives exactly like

31:08

you. It's so

31:10

funny because when I got to

31:13

interview Sophia Riley and Sophia and

31:15

Russo, like, both the both

31:17

being Sophia and Bush at each other were

31:19

like,

31:19

weird. to say. Yeah. We look

31:21

look

31:21

very similar. Like,

31:24

so that was very that was something we noticed.

31:26

That was very funny. Which God

31:28

bless. you

31:28

know, if she's an alternate version of me, she's killing it.

31:30

I am supporting her through and through.

31:32

I freaking loved that character. I

31:34

don't know what it is.

31:36

about magical schools, man.

31:39

Oh, so fun. It is. It's

31:41

so fun. It's like, I

31:43

think like, a part of me always loved

31:45

school a little bit, but then,

31:47

like, when it got a little boring

31:49

is when I'm like, ah, but this

31:51

never gets boring. It's like the fun part of school and then

31:53

you add magic to it, so it just makes,

31:56

like, to me, like, to a nerd. I'm like,

31:58

oh, this is everything. But one of

31:59

the things I really loved about

32:02

this story in this movie is that,

32:04

like, it's an epic fantasy, but

32:06

it centered around these,

32:08

like, two badass, like, female characters.

32:10

Mhmm. And it really,

32:13

like, showcases the

32:15

power of female friendship. Because

32:18

a lot of times with all this fantasy stuff,

32:20

it's always like centered around a boy

32:22

or for boy. But

32:24

instead, here's two women. And

32:27

also, it's how female

32:30

friendships can

32:32

sometimes be complicated

32:34

and can sometimes be so personal,

32:36

even more personal than romantic

32:39

relationships. Oh, absolutely. And also this was

32:41

what's that movie that was just on Netflix? Do

32:43

revenge or whatever? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was

32:46

another movie that's sort of been exploring

32:48

that recently. So I've just been like thinking about

32:51

that, like recently just because of

32:53

that movie and now this. But it's

32:55

it's one of those things and we've even talked

32:57

about this where it's like with female friendships,

32:59

it's hard to

33:02

find, like,

33:02

friendships that are genuine and solid

33:05

and real especially, like,

33:07

in our industry. But, like,

33:09

so many times, in in life and

33:11

in stories, like women

33:13

are pitted against each other. There

33:15

it's like competitive. There's

33:17

jealousy. There's like boys involved. So

33:19

then always sort of and

33:21

to me, it was interesting how

33:23

this story, like, even

33:25

though they were faced that, it,

33:28

like, it's solid through. You, like, kept seeing,

33:30

like, okay, how are they dealing with this? If

33:32

to save their friendship, what is what do they

33:34

have to do? Like, do end

33:37

It

33:37

just made my heart so happy

33:39

because I found especially, like, as

33:41

I've gotten older, like, how

33:44

important Like, my female friendships

33:46

are -- Yeah. -- in my

33:48

life. Like, surrounding

33:50

myself with powerful amazing women

33:52

has only made my life better. Absolutely.

33:54

But You know? So I'm just like,

33:56

oh, there's so much like empathy

33:58

compassion they inspire me like women are

34:00

magic. So to see that

34:02

in here, like so many

34:04

girls are gonna latch onto that. And I think it's

34:06

a really important thing to talk about and

34:08

show.

34:09

Absolutely. And I about this book and Frozen,

34:11

the first one came out pretty much back to

34:13

back. This came out, I think, in May of that

34:15

year, then the movie came out

34:18

in November. So it's like you had two back to back stories like,

34:20

the true love was between, like, you know,

34:22

two sisters, between two -- Right. --

34:24

best friends. And, like, I think that's

34:28

so important as well is that we were really seeing this

34:30

paradigm shift of, like, we can no

34:32

longer, you know,

34:34

validate this idea that two women have to

34:36

be incompetent.

34:38

with each other, and they can't push back against that. And that,

34:40

like, also, I think when it

34:42

comes to, like, Sophie is, like, that you

34:44

can't that it's okay that, like,

34:46

that is okay to be a narcissist. But, like, you

34:48

know, sometimes girls are a narcissist. Like, sometimes you wanna

34:51

be a whole bad girl. you

34:54

be a little bad filled. Does that mean that you don't, like, ultimately, love

34:56

your friends or whatever? But, like, I

34:58

like giving female characters the

35:00

opportunity to be bad and then say,

35:02

like, you can evolve. You can

35:04

you can grow out of these habits because I

35:06

think Sophie loves Agatha. She just

35:08

also just like but I'm the

35:10

i'm the protagonist protagonist. Oh

35:12

my god. Like, in this movie, Kerry Washington, like

35:14

said, we are in the age

35:16

of self centered perfectionism or something. And

35:18

I was like, oh, this is a

35:22

personal You're like, wow. I was

35:24

like, okay. You didn't have to just say an hour like

35:26

that. Okay. We all we all know this, but

35:30

say it like that, but I'm sorry,

35:32

gorgeous Carrie Washington that

35:33

we're so self centered.

35:36

I mean, but, you know, it's one

35:38

of the things I think is like, it's not it's always nice to do, like, shoe beauty is from

35:40

within. But then it says Yes. So we know

35:42

what beauty But

35:44

then it's like, but it's within babes, you know. It's like, it's it's like a

35:46

joke that is within that people. Within

35:49

this vodacious babe lives a good

35:51

person. And it's just

35:54

like, wow. love that. True beauty

35:56

only lies within hot people. Yeah.

35:58

It should be realized within

36:00

true beauty. That's

36:02

And I totally

36:04

and I totally forgot that Sofia

36:06

was the original Lydia on

36:08

beetlejuice because -- Yeah. -- I saw her in beetlejuice. So I was like

36:11

She's she's so good. Yeah. Oh my

36:13

god. Which explains how hammy

36:15

and, like, how organic.

36:17

She felt in that because I felt like she was

36:19

definitely just like, oh yeah, I'm

36:22

I'm acting for everyone. The

36:24

backseeds everybody. It was so fun

36:26

to

36:26

watch. Oh,

36:27

god. What's her, like, sloppy

36:29

makeup? I was, like, at her point,

36:31

she was looking like creature.

36:33

I was, like, Oh,

36:35

that was amazing. She

36:37

just killed it. Like, honestly, this

36:39

this movie really did

36:42

showcase, like, her talent. Like, she just was

36:44

like, okay. I'm running this and I'm gonna go for And

36:46

Sofia, who played Agatha, was

36:48

also incredible. But it's one of

36:50

those things like to me, And

36:53

I think also to you, like,

36:55

the protagonist is never as

36:58

interesting. The good one is

37:00

always, yeah. I know. And it's like, I hate to say that because she's so

37:02

good in the role. Like, she is. She

37:04

feels pure, her heart,

37:06

like, it's she is the heart

37:08

of the story and their friendship

37:10

is like what's driving the whole

37:12

thing. And she needs

37:14

to play that in order for

37:16

Sophie's character to be so effective. It's like -- Yeah. -- she

37:18

does the perfect job, but sometimes when you're

37:20

the main character and you do a perfect job,

37:23

it's like your part isn't as fun

37:25

because the villain is always more fun. That's kind

37:28

of like my one note too is because like

37:30

in the book, Agatha is a little bit

37:32

more weird. Like, she isn't

37:34

evil, but she does definitely play up the

37:36

whole, like, yeah, people think I'm a witch. What

37:38

about it? Like so I

37:40

definitely feel like she's made

37:42

into a little bit

37:43

more, like,

37:44

tragic than I think that she

37:47

is in the books. Like, she's still, like,

37:49

people suck to her, but she's a

37:51

lot more assertive and, like,

37:53

self

37:53

assured in herself than I

37:55

think she can be in this movie.

37:57

You can't go into all of those

37:59

details. Yeah. You just especially when it's like such an epic

38:02

fantasy and it's more like a younger

38:04

audience, like you need to

38:06

kind of needs

38:08

needs to make sense. I think

38:10

if this and fate wings

38:12

club weren't both supernatural schools

38:14

things, we would have had like a

38:16

show with this. I just think that, like, they already

38:18

have, like, they already have enough, like,

38:21

supernatural fictional schools as I

38:23

do want another movie

38:25

though. I was at movie. I definitely think that's like there's

38:27

enough bias that you could get a second movie,

38:29

especially because I think that the actors are talented, and they had

38:31

a good time. And I I'm never gonna

38:34

say no. to seeing really I mean, like Michelle Yea was in

38:36

this movie, had no idea about that.

38:38

How do you is in this movie? Where

38:40

did they have that

38:42

the first of all. How do why

38:44

don't you get these people? Second of all, like, how does Michelle Yo have the

38:46

time to be perfect on my every

38:50

single role? flaw. Doesn't

38:52

she have to sleep like the rest of us? I don't

38:54

know. Maybe she doesn't. But Paul

38:56

Fig, he got everybody in here, and I'm

38:58

just

38:59

there like, alright. He

39:00

did it. He really did. And going back to,

39:02

like, the sofias, they were

39:04

so perfect. Oh,

39:06

right. Yeah.

39:08

Sofia,

39:09

Wylene, Sofia, and Russo, like, they were so

39:12

perfectly cast to me because their

39:14

chemistry was so good.

39:16

Mhmm. And if their

39:18

chemistry wouldn't have been good, it would have been

39:20

the whole movie. Yeah. Like, it was the

39:22

most important thing to get right

39:24

in this movie. was their

39:26

chemistry. And because they had

39:28

that, it, like, oh

39:30

my god. It you felt it. It

39:32

felt real the whole moment. Like,

39:34

when they you need

39:36

that when the friends come to save the

39:38

friends and they love each other, they're like,

39:40

oh, like, you need to feel that, it

39:42

needs to feel real, or else it's not

39:44

gonna work, kids can see Pruwit, they gotta see it, they gotta feel

39:46

it, all emotions, and they killed

39:48

it. So they were perfect.

39:50

And also, like, I know this might sound really

39:52

silly. I

39:54

just love Sophia while I use a round face. Like, I feel

39:56

like I love you. insanely

39:58

gorgeous. Yes. She's this

39:59

beautiful little

40:02

girl you know, young woman. And it's just like, when I looked at her, I was just like,

40:04

I kept thinking, what a lovely young

40:06

lady? Like, I felt so like,

40:08

I like felt such an adult.

40:11

I was like, these lovely ladies and it's like she just

40:13

looked so pretty and I just loved it.

40:16

She kind of like had like a fuller a fuller

40:18

phase of like slightly fuller

40:20

figure, like,

40:22

not

40:22

obviously full figured, but just, you know, fuller. And since she's so beautiful, they

40:24

styled her so well. That picture Oh,

40:27

yes. I was, like, god.

40:29

Like like, well, I get the war the

40:31

wardrobe choices were absolutely a

40:34

plus. Unreal. Someone's thinking

40:36

about tumbling. in these designs. And I

40:38

think that's a good person. But yeah, I

40:40

loved it so much. When I got to

40:42

interview them, one of the things they mentioned about the

40:45

costumes was the process was kind

40:47

of collaborative, which I thought was really interesting.

40:49

And they did do because they're like, this

40:51

never happens where the costume designer, like, reached out to both of them

40:53

and was like, here's a Pinterest board. If you

40:55

have any ideas or things that you would like

40:57

or tell me, like,

40:59

you know, of which way or which direction you

41:02

think the character would go or we could, like, work

41:04

together. And I'm, like, oh my god.

41:06

What an absolute dream --

41:08

Yeah. -- that is. cool

41:10

because not only do

41:12

you, like, get to wear these incredible,

41:14

like, pieces of clothing, but

41:16

you get to, like, put a little bit

41:18

of either yourself or how you

41:20

would have the character or like the choices your

41:22

character would make, like that

41:24

never happens. So that is, like, just so And the were

41:26

unreal. They all look they just,

41:28

like, she looked like a perfect princess, and

41:30

she looked like the Vadbeige that

41:32

would have

41:34

awaken my

41:34

bisexuality if I was, like, twelve years old. So it was

41:36

just it was just perfect

41:38

all around.

41:41

Did you have, like, a

41:43

favorite moment that you that stood out

41:45

to you when you're watching? I just I

41:47

love the battle, like, the ballroom blitz at

41:49

the end. Like, I just like this is a detoxic.

41:51

Are you I know. I know. I

41:53

was like, what happened? I was like Not

41:55

ghostly

41:55

toxic. Oh

41:58

my goodness. I really love

41:59

it.

42:01

Listen. Listen. If there is one

42:04

thing that millennials will get

42:06

on their food for. It is

42:08

a ghostly never Britney's spirit thought. I was just like, alright.

42:10

Correct. I was like, well, now it's time to

42:12

party and, like, it was just so

42:14

well done. that it was

42:16

just like, oh, yeah. Like, and when

42:18

Sophie walks out to go get her, like, her

42:20

finger prick to get her

42:22

powers, the way she's kinda like, think it I

42:24

was like, First of all, that's

42:26

Tessa. Second of all, I'm just like, you know, I

42:28

I appreciate the hustle. It

42:29

was fun to

42:32

watch. god. That role, though, honestly, that would be, like,

42:34

the role that I would wanna play. Like, how sure?

42:37

being fun is that role.

42:39

Like, it is so fun because

42:42

you get to be, like, all innocent at the

42:44

beginning and then have this turn.

42:46

And then you just get to,

42:48

like, live in that campy, villain

42:50

like life. And it's

42:52

so I'm telling you, being a

42:54

villain is my favorite. I am. It's the

42:57

most fun you can have. So

42:59

it's like was villain on a TV show.

43:01

I wasn't like a fairy

43:03

tale villain. That

43:06

is next Only because

43:08

they didn't let you. Like, let, like,

43:10

soon. If they

43:11

ever do, like,

43:12

a baby hocus pocus, they need someone to

43:14

be, like, Sarah Michelle or Geller's can. Sears

43:18

Jessica Parker's character. You would definitely

43:20

be, like, a young Oh my god.

43:22

Perfect. focus.

43:23

What a freaking compliment?

43:26

I can't. So I actually thought of some, like,

43:28

questions from watching

43:30

this movie because I rewatched it again.

43:33

So I have some questions for you, Princess, that I want you to answer.

43:36

Alright, I'm ready. So the first

43:38

would be, like, with the

43:40

Wish Fish, What

43:41

would be your greatest wish? What would the

43:43

fish see for you? My greatest

43:45

wish honestly would be

43:48

for, like, for self comp self esteem, self

43:50

confidence. But if I knew that the wish that

43:52

the Wish Fish were all, like, in

43:54

prison, I would probably wish for them to

43:56

be free

43:58

because, like, That's fucked up. I don't endorse slavery of any

43:59

kind. Honestly,

44:02

I feel that. It's like if you found

44:05

out that that happens? Like, how could you just, like, let them

44:07

be? Especially, like, all the good people. That was

44:10

one of those things where she's like, this

44:12

isn't good. And I

44:14

was like, agree. If I was, like, in the good school, I'd be,

44:16

like, this is messed up. This

44:18

is really fucked up, my guys. So I just

44:20

have my girls kind of, like, you know, if if that was if

44:24

I knew, that those wish fish were, like, innocent kids who, like, failed

44:26

plugged out of school as someone who has gotten

44:28

bad grades. I would not let that stand.

44:30

I just I would

44:32

wish for all the wishfishes to come

44:34

back alive into humans -- Yeah. -- and rebel

44:37

against the school

44:39

leader. Yeah. And

44:41

me if any of them want

44:44

to give me a wish for letting them be frank,

44:46

and then I'll take it, but I'm not gonna be Right. I'm

44:48

not gonna lead with that. I won't put that in the

44:50

second week. That's the second day. That's the

44:52

second day. Just like, oh,

44:54

also, by the way, a PS, if you want to

44:56

give you another one, just like, let me know.

44:58

You know, I'll take it, but no no pressure. Oh,

45:00

I'll be here. But you guys free

45:02

yourselves first. Okay? Okay.

45:04

Next question I have

45:06

for you. who would your fairy tale parents be? okay.

45:09

because

45:10

him that

45:12

was, like,

45:12

so fun to

45:14

watch like, oh, my my dad's Robin Oeder.

45:16

Oh, my dad, you know what I mean? I

45:18

know this is the best. So

45:20

if I was a hero, I

45:23

think that

45:25

my fairy tale parent

45:27

would be

45:29

Belle if

45:30

we're doing that if we're just doing, like, regular fairy tales,

45:32

and I would say, like, the whoever character that beauty is, because

45:35

I feel like, I love

45:38

my dad. I the thing that I

45:40

always remember about Beauty plus, like, it's about, like, a girl who really loves her dad trying to protect her dad. And I'm like, that's

45:42

really why I latch onto that story. If

45:44

I was a villain, I

45:47

would really want my mom to

45:50

be, like, if maleficent and

45:52

doctor Cecilia had a

45:54

baby, that's I wanna be

45:56

that baby. I wanna have

45:58

all the dark objects.

46:00

Wow. Amazing.

46:02

I am obsessed with

46:05

that. that is -- What about you? -- who would be your

46:07

first of all, you don't want good parents, so who

46:09

would be your e y.

46:11

You know what? I

46:13

feel like fairy would the wicked witch of

46:15

the west and Glenda. Yes.

46:17

Yes. That is

46:20

actually completely correct. Yes. I would be, like, the ultimate witch.

46:22

I'd have, like, the whole baby of

46:24

wicked. Yes. Yes. I have the

46:26

baby of wicked. That is me.

46:30

Wickett is my parents. So it's like how like

46:32

it's like this is like your how you how

46:34

I met your

46:35

mother is wicked. just

46:38

the story of wicked. I just walked out of jail. my

46:41

mom's bed. This is how

46:43

my mom's met. So

46:47

I

46:47

feel like it would be that because I would wanna be a

46:49

villain so badly, and this sort of leads

46:51

into my next question. would

46:54

you be an ever, a never. So I would want to be a never.

46:57

I'd want to be a villain so

46:59

bad. So bad. Yeah.

47:02

But I am too good

47:04

on the inside, man.

47:06

I am too nice. I

47:09

am too nice. my my heart always

47:12

it's and always that's why I need Joe.

47:14

Yeah. I need someone there.

47:18

because otherwise, people will take advantage of me because I am You

47:20

were sweet. You were sweet nugget.

47:25

I mean, but I don't wanna be. I

47:27

wanna be a baddie.

47:30

Yeah. I know that the phone or the heck, I

47:32

wanna be evil, but I also

47:34

I have too much anxiety, Catholic

47:37

guilt, and love of

47:39

Superman to really be truly

47:41

evil. I would like to think if

47:43

there was a school for

47:45

anti

47:45

heroes. I think I was

47:47

looking at school.

47:50

Yeah.

47:50

Amazing. We love to

47:53

be Paul. Yeah. There's a school for anti heroes. I

47:55

will I will enlist there happily. I'll be

47:57

like, excuse me. Yeah. I'm Solo is my

47:59

dad. And

47:59

does we like, I

48:02

got it? You'll take his dad. I'll

48:04

take Ben Solo. So you

48:06

can take the dad. I'll take the

48:08

son and we'll rule over

48:10

space together. Sounds good.

48:12

It'll be our awesome dragon.

48:14

Biggs. Oh

48:15

my god. Oh

48:17

my god. That's

48:18

yeah, I probably be like friends with

48:20

all the lovers, and I definitely wanna date them,

48:23

but I would not be bad enough

48:25

to be in the school. So

48:27

going with the villains, Like,

48:29

each villain has like a special talent that they

48:31

can hone into a powerful weapon.

48:33

So what would your

48:34

talent be? What would you use to hone into

48:36

a powerful weapon to take over the world and

48:38

or your nemesis. Man, so many options. I

48:40

do like to draw the tattoos. in

48:43

princess too much. Oh,

48:46

the too young. Yeah. I feel like because I have so

48:48

many weapons as tattoos.

48:50

Like, technically, ready. I'm kind of

48:52

ready to do that. Like, I technically have, like,

48:55

a knife I have, like, a a spirit

48:57

shield and, like, oh, damn. And I

48:59

feel like all these sailor moon tattoos

49:01

I have, like, what if like, if I were to

49:03

use those, then I think I'd be pretty set.

49:05

I think that's I'm

49:08

building my brand. Oh, so you

49:10

already knew. You're like, I I'm ready for

49:12

this. If this happens, I got the

49:14

tattoos to, you know,

49:16

defeat whoever I need to. Right. Like,

49:18

I actually have a tattoo of, like, I I have

49:20

a tattoo of catwoman

49:22

on my left

49:22

leg and like a tattoo of storm on my right. So it's like, I'm gonna

49:25

be I'm I'm set. You

49:27

are set.

49:28

Wow. dang.

49:30

That is too

49:31

perfect. Yeah. I feel like

49:34

my

49:34

weapon or my talent

49:37

that I turned into a weapon This

49:39

is kinda

49:40

stupid. But

49:42

when I was a kid, I always used to

49:44

like when I would like flirt

49:46

with boys, I

49:49

would be like

49:49

with boys. And I'd flirt

49:52

with boys. So I'd be

49:54

like, I'm gonna tap dance on

49:56

your face. because that was, like, something that I could do and I thought I

49:58

was, like, so tough.

50:00

And, honestly, yeah, I

50:02

would use my power. Like,

50:04

because I can I used I

50:06

mean, I haven't tacked this in a long time, but when

50:08

I used to do it, I was really good.

50:10

So I believe that. I think that would be those

50:12

shoes. If you put them on, those could be a

50:14

weapon. So and, you know,

50:16

like, when we were doing our Sam Man

50:18

episode, tiny dancer was already my serial

50:20

killer name. I'd like that.

50:22

It fits -- Yeah. -- dancing on their

50:24

graves. With my whole villain

50:26

arc. Mhmm. So I think

50:28

dance has to be involved

50:30

somehow in in my

50:32

villain journey. This is black

50:34

swan, some sort of thing that turns

50:36

me. Or

50:36

You know, because remember in, like,

50:39

snow white, how, like, they

50:41

make the evil stepmother die by

50:43

dancing on hot shoes. Maybe that's

50:45

kind of like that's your that those

50:47

are the kind of shoes that you When

50:49

they put on the feet of your enemies, they dance

50:51

until they die. Oh my

50:53

god, beautiful, amazing princess.

50:56

We get obsessed with that.

50:58

I love that. insane? Okay.

51:00

My last question that I have for you.

51:02

Using now knowing your

51:04

consumer health is going to use it,

51:06

who would your fictional nemesis be?

51:13

Oh my god. Like, what what fictional

51:16

character? Can you just, like, not

51:18

stand? If this was

51:19

me of, like, five years ago, I'd be, like, Ariel

51:22

from the little mermaid fighter.

51:24

I think if I was

51:26

gonna fight everybody just for, like,

51:28

the fun of it, I

51:31

would love to, like, be enemies with,

51:33

like, the actual snow queen

51:36

because she's just so cool.

51:38

Like, you know Actually, princess, you're going right for

51:40

the top. Yeah. I want top tier. That's the aries in me.

51:42

Like, that's why that's why I'm an

51:44

anti hero. I wanna go fight, like,

51:48

the snow queen and just be like, hey, stop.

51:50

because she's just the baddest. She's the

51:52

coolest. I wanna fight Elsa. I wanna

51:56

fight Elsa. One

51:58

is like fighting

51:59

god. Right?

52:02

Oh my god. It really

52:04

is. You're just like, I'm gonna defeat

52:06

Elsa. and just become

52:08

the new ruler of Arondale. So

52:10

-- Yeah. -- makes sense. She

52:12

doesn't really wanna rule it anyway.

52:14

I think she would gladly give it up to

52:17

you. Yeah. I'd be like, let

52:19

it

52:19

go. Just like,

52:22

goodbye. Stop

52:24

it. Oh my god. I love that. That's

52:26

so perfect. What about

52:30

so good?

52:30

ah Who's

52:34

the goodies, Goody, boy?

52:37

Catalyst, American

52:40

America. That's

52:41

so scary.

52:44

I

52:44

can understand him.

52:46

I can't do it. sad. He would

52:48

get on my last nerve. I wouldn't be able to to handle

52:51

it. And somebody people love cats and cats

52:53

and dogs. They're like, how could you

52:55

not like cats and dogs? I'm like,

52:57

I'm sorry. I just feel like doing Chris Evans and

52:59

other things. I think he's

53:01

better as a villain.

53:04

Okay. Everyone's always better

53:06

as a villain. But I don't

53:08

know. There's something about Captain America

53:10

that just

53:12

irks me. can't do it. I'd be fan of this

53:14

situation. I would just, like, go right

53:16

after him and meet everyone's

53:18

managers against me. And I'd be

53:20

like, oh,

53:22

damn. Here we go again. I know.

53:24

Well, okay. Let's do

53:28

this. But I

53:30

would definitely be Team Ironman if it was like cat versus Ironman. So

53:32

I think I think that's kind of influencing me

53:34

a little bit just that movie just

53:38

completely.

53:38

me

53:38

a cap ticator. But,

53:41

yeah, I can't stand.

53:42

I'm sorry to the

53:46

lovers. like, oh,

53:48

sorry. I can't can't relate. I'm

53:50

Wanda. Right? I

53:52

love what, like, my favorite MC

53:54

characters are Loki and Wanda. So

53:56

sorry, I can't relate an Ironman, so not gonna love

53:58

Captain America. You can

53:59

keep America's ass. I'm

54:02

not interested.

54:04

You're like,

54:06

oh,

54:07

who needs America's ass when you could

54:09

be friends with America's go to? But I

54:11

love those questions. You always bring

54:13

the best energy. I

54:16

just

54:16

love, like, whatever. Whenever we get to

54:18

dive into anything fantasy related, I

54:20

just love to because I would always

54:22

do this when reading books when

54:25

watching, like, movies as a kid, I'd wanna, like, okay. If I was in this situation, like,

54:27

what would I What would my superpower be? Well,

54:29

what would I do? Who would I be friends with?

54:31

Like, I like, that's how

54:33

I like the world in my head and also why I

54:36

like loved fan fiction so much because I'm

54:38

like, oh, different possibilities. Let's think

54:40

about all these different

54:42

things happen. I love world building. I love all that.

54:44

So when we get a new world to build in and

54:46

learn in and think about and especially when

54:48

there's magic involved, forget it. I am

54:50

a goner remember

54:52

when I was interviewing them, so

54:54

men, he said this really,

54:56

like, specific thing that I thought

54:59

was so amazing about school

55:01

for getting evil. He's like, he wanted

55:03

to create a magical school that

55:05

felt like a madonna

55:08

concert. Oh. Blake.

55:10

Love that. He's like, he wanted this, like, high

55:12

female energy that was powering

55:14

the school. And it was one of those

55:16

things where I did feel

55:18

that is especially with, like, you know, the casting, like we've

55:20

said, it was so good.

55:22

Especially, all the female characters are so

55:24

well cast

55:26

it's so good and they brought, like, all this energy. I loved

55:28

just, like, the group of, like, the

55:30

bad girls, the bad kids, or

55:32

whatever. Like, they were so fun.

55:35

They were so like, I'm telling you,

55:37

my least favorite character was mister

55:39

Prince Boy. I was like, who is

55:41

this? Yeah. I'm in the way. Thed Tedros,

55:44

I was like, he looked like a baby

55:46

Henry Cavell. Did he have, like, a

55:48

Cavell brother that got lost somewhere along the line?

55:50

But I was just kind of like, you know,

55:52

God bless. but we're here for the ladies. I

55:55

don't care about this guy. I'm

55:57

like, sir,

55:58

step aside. Yeah.

55:59

Alright. I think we

56:01

can go down to one

56:04

more

56:06

thing. Tessa, do

56:08

you have

56:10

a one more thing? I

56:12

think my one more thing is everybody's

56:15

got a little bit of good

56:17

and a little bit of evil inside

56:19

of us, you know,

56:22

that's what makes this human. And I think that

56:24

this movie talks about, like,

56:26

the balance of that. And, like, you

56:29

were saying, like, we were saying,

56:32

sometimes it's fun to just

56:34

explore the villain in you

56:36

and be a little evil, but

56:40

just Never go too far, know the balance,

56:42

but still have fun. No. You

56:44

have to

56:45

have both sides of yourself.

56:46

Know both sides of

56:48

yourself. and thrive

56:50

and live in both sides

56:52

of yourself. Absolutely.

56:54

My one more thing is

56:57

Not

56:57

everything needs a narrator. But if

56:59

it's Kate Blanchett, we'll let it

57:02

slide. But Kate Blanchett

57:04

can narrate everything. Yes. It's like usually, I'm

57:06

very anti narrator. But

57:08

if it's Kay Blanchett,

57:09

I'm like, alright. And

57:12

also, yeah, I love I love all the

57:14

biodiversity in this movie. Please make sure you cast

57:16

so many different people as good and evil because

57:18

good and evil comes in all shapes

57:20

and sizes. That's true.

57:22

Alright y'all. You know the drill. If

57:24

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57:46

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57:49

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we are talking about Cabinet of

58:10

Curiosities from one of our favorite

58:12

creators, Guillermo del

58:14

Toro. So I cannot wait

58:15

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58:21

producer, Reyes Mendoza, is our associate

58:24

producer, Dolora Patton is our coordinating

58:26

producer, and a special thanks to Carson

58:28

McCain. Sound design and engineering by Evan

58:30

Arnett, who composed and

58:31

performed original theme. Our executive producers

58:33

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58:35

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58:38

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Eight.