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1:48

Hey everyone,

1:51

this is David. Welcome back behind

1:54

the velvet rope. Everyone is screaming

1:56

now at their computers

1:57

because this is the day you've been asking for.

2:00

months, Miss Catherine Edwards is

2:02

back. Hello,

2:04

everybody. It's true, Catherine.

2:06

I mean, like I was just saying, like, do you get

2:09

your DMS fill up to people say

2:11

when are you going back on the bond of velvet rope?

2:13

Yes. Yes. When I was in India,

2:16

having my sabbatical, everyone was like, When

2:18

are you going back? When are you going back? It's

2:20

like, Hello, all namaste

2:22

bitches. Can I have a break from

2:24

this crap?

2:26

They're like, we don't want to hear about

2:28

Lisa Rinna leaving and told Catherine

2:31

is that I'm like, listen, she is living

2:33

her life.

2:33

Trust me, she's not blowing me off. I mean,

2:36

you have a life even if you were at home, but I'm

2:38

like, she's in India. It's like an amazing

2:40

experience. Like she is out there living

2:43

life.

2:44

It was phenomenal. I

2:47

love right but you see how people could either

2:49

love or hate India right like you see a piece

2:51

of it. at? It's not for everyone.

2:54

No, it's not for everyone. You have to go very

2:56

open minded. You have to I

2:58

would tell anyone who wants to go or is thinking

3:00

about going to get on YouTube

3:02

and pull up as many videos they can, you

3:04

know, just to familiarize themselves. It's

3:07

not for the faint at heart, but it is so

3:10

full of people that are

3:12

kind and loving and generous

3:15

with just their heart that it's, I

3:18

loved it. I'll go back every year

3:20

if I've at the time.

3:21

Wow. I don't think

3:23

I would ever go back just because I never really go

3:26

back anywhere. But I have to say, it's

3:28

like in my top three places I've ever been

3:30

as well. I absolutely loved it. I thought the people

3:32

were phenomenal. Yeah,

3:35

the things that you see, it just

3:37

opened your eyes.

3:38

Right. And when you get into

3:41

underprivileged poor India, to me, it

3:44

was the poorest country I've ever been in. And

3:47

the things you see, it's just like, wow. Yeah,

3:50

we luckily for us, we

3:52

had a different experience because we have a lot of friends that

3:55

live there in every place. I mean, we were there for

3:57

a month,

3:58

all through the South and the in the north and so every where

4:00

we went, we were welcomed, you know,

4:02

to people's homes and to meet their friends.

4:04

And so I'd never felt like we stayed

4:06

at hotels for half of it, but it never felt

4:09

like we were out to resto.

4:11

Wow. Yeah, that's good. That's

4:14

that's really good. Yeah. It

4:17

was amazing. Well, I mean, before I mean, where

4:19

do you want to start anywhere in particular? Because

4:21

I mean, I just figure we'll start with Lisa Rinna

4:23

not being at Beverly Hills anymore. Right,

4:26

right. When what date was that that

4:28

was I on the road when that came out? I

4:31

think so.

4:32

Did you leave, when did you leave at

4:34

the beginning of April? I mean, January.

4:36

No, no, January one. I left on

4:38

New Year's Day. You left literally

4:40

the day I got to LA,

4:41

literally. Wow. That's

4:43

the day. It definitely, I don't

4:46

know, was it? It was either then or, yeah,

4:48

I think it was January. January

4:50

was literally like a year long, right? It was

4:52

like just a long month. But

4:54

I think it happens when you were away because

4:57

I remember or right when you were

4:59

going away because I remember we were like, let's

5:01

try to do this when you're an Indian. And then I mean, obviously

5:03

it's under. Right. Right. Now

5:06

it's making sense. Right. I mean,

5:09

listen, I have to say I sat

5:11

here all season.

5:13

And like in the second week, I said, Lisa Rin is

5:15

going to go all season now towards the

5:18

end.

5:19

Because everyone, like when you and I talked to

5:21

you, you're like, she's staying. I'm like, you're right. It wasn't just

5:23

you, everyone. And I was like, I got in my

5:25

own way. And this isn't like about me being right.

5:28

But I said from the second week, she's

5:30

definitely going. And then at the end, I hardcore

5:33

took back what I said. And like the last month,

5:35

I was like, nope, ever. I was

5:37

wrong. There's no way she's going. And now

5:39

I'm like, hey, I should just stick to things. So

5:42

it's like, are you shocked? I guess that's my

5:44

question.

5:45

I am, because I

5:48

thought for sure she'd be there. I thought they'd give

5:50

her one season for all of her dedication

5:52

and hard work that they'd give her one season

5:55

as like the parting

5:56

gift. I thought that they would bring

5:59

her back this season. and then let her go probably

6:01

next year. But I don't, I

6:03

mean, I guess, I didn't

6:05

know that they did long-term contracts. I thought

6:07

every year it was like every year you were

6:10

either asked back or you weren't.

6:11

So I don't

6:14

know about that. You know, when Kathy

6:16

Hilton said, you know, oh, your contract's up.

6:19

But

6:21

you know, there's always this stuff that you

6:23

don't, we don't know when we don't hear and who

6:25

knows how shady it got. And

6:28

if her, if Renna and

6:30

Diane were actually doing

6:32

the bots against Garcelle

6:35

and that stuff, that's a whole different

6:37

ball of wax. And I think you had mentioned

6:39

that if it came out to be that

6:41

that was the truth and Garcelle

6:44

dug deep enough to find out,

6:46

that would be something that would be a problem.

6:49

And the network would not want to deal with that. And

6:52

that would be a reason maybe to get walking papers.

6:54

So I don't know. I don't,

6:57

are they saying that she was fired or she's saying

6:59

she quit? Well, it's funny because that

7:02

really was my first segment of

7:04

like, here's the thing. She

7:06

has made a statement like everyone

7:08

else that she left. Then she did an interview.

7:11

I don't know if you read that interview in Interview Magazine.

7:14

It was pretty, like she could have given that interview

7:16

to anyone. It was like the first, I guess

7:18

she knew this guy. I mean, it's Interview

7:20

Magazine. I mean, it's a big thing.

7:22

I think you sent it to me. I did read it. And

7:24

so I think he went to her house, she went, but it was

7:26

like, I mean, it was detailed. So even

7:29

though she made this statement, there was actual

7:32

words on her, that was a

7:34

lot of words where she really, in

7:37

to this interview, double, tripled, quadruple

7:39

down on the fact that she left on her own. That

7:42

is what she is saying. And Bravo, right? And

7:45

like Bravo lets you say that,

7:47

but I mean, here we

7:49

are, we just already started our conversation.

7:52

neither of us is acting like she left

7:54

on her own. I mean, I don't think she did.

7:58

I honestly I don't know.

8:00

For me, I'm really 50-50 on it because

8:03

I think that the season was really hard on

8:05

her. I think as much as she always wants

8:07

to put on her tough girl look

8:10

and she's got it under control and

8:12

knows what she's doing, like, I know

8:14

what I'm doing. Yeah.

8:16

No, because you don't control the fan base.

8:19

And

8:19

once everybody gets that pack

8:21

mentality and they've turned on you, I

8:23

just have to assume it doesn't feel good.

8:26

And she was... I mean, as far as I remember,

8:29

the House of House of House of House of House of House, seasons

8:31

that I've watched out of all of the whole franchise,

8:34

I don't really remember anyone being

8:36

as big of a pariah

8:38

to the fans as she has been.

8:40

Is that right? I mean, is there anyone more

8:43

disliked in her? I

8:45

would say not that I can think

8:47

of even Erica Jane to me. Erica,

8:49

with that season before, I think Erica

8:51

comes a very close second, but I

8:54

think Rina was more hated this season.

8:56

I think she was more hated than Diana. She

8:58

was more hated than Erika the season before.

9:01

I think she's the number one. I think

9:03

she's number one.

9:04

I think so too. And I just have

9:06

to believe that that doesn't feel good. I mean, whether

9:09

you say it doesn't bother you or not, whether you say

9:11

like, I have people that love me, I have people that hate

9:13

me, I'm good with all of it.

9:16

Okay. I kind of, and I know you

9:18

have to fix skin to do the show. Trust

9:21

me, I understand that. But I think when,

9:23

you know, if you're getting like death threats

9:26

or people are saying really nasty

9:28

stuff about your kids or your husband or

9:30

whomever. I think it gets under

9:32

your skin and it starts to bother you. And so in that

9:34

aspect, I would think that maybe

9:36

she did just say, hey, I need a break

9:39

from this.

9:40

I've made good money. She has enough other offers

9:42

for, you know, to do other things. And maybe it

9:44

just made sense for her to walk away. I really don't

9:46

know. I'm 50 50 on whether

9:48

she walked or she was fired.

9:51

Really? I think I'm like 90 10. Like

9:54

I think that's the beauty of these statements

9:57

is that we'll really never know, really. I

9:59

mean... unless she tries herself up. But look,

10:02

I think there is 10% that I, which

10:04

is more than I started with. Like

10:07

you read that like interview magazine

10:09

and like,

10:10

God, like you're really tripling down on this.

10:13

You know what I mean? Like, so it's like the more

10:15

you say it, the more I do think maybe this is

10:17

true, but I still think

10:20

like

10:20

you think she would walk away like $1 million.

10:24

I mean, let's just assume it was around that. She

10:26

was making- She's for if she's frazzled

10:29

David and she has nothing left in the tank

10:31

and it's taken that kind of toll on her where she's just

10:33

like. I

10:36

don't know maybe you know, yeah,

10:38

maybe she would and if Andy says

10:40

to her and I think

10:42

if you told

10:44

me or someone told me that the doors always open if

10:46

she ever wants to come back that to me is

10:48

not a person who's fired that's a person that

10:51

chose to take a break and walk away

10:53

and clear their head for a season and

10:55

if it's true that he did say that, then

10:57

she can,

10:59

you know, take a little break for

11:01

one season and come back. But wasn't

11:03

this enough of a break? She's

11:06

already had a break. Well, she's

11:09

still, I think that, I

11:12

think she's like a little delusional

11:14

with the whole kitten caboodle. I think she

11:17

did eight seasons and the eight seasons took

11:19

a toll on her. You and I have talked about this before where

11:21

I said I don't even recognize her. She just looked the

11:23

same, sound the same. I don't know this girl anymore.

11:26

And maybe she's cognizant of

11:28

all that and she wants to get back to herself.

11:31

I don't know. Or maybe it's too far gone and she

11:33

can't. I have no idea. The

11:36

pictures of her in the fashion

11:39

show and was it Amsterdam?

11:41

Yeah. Holy hell. No,

11:44

no, no. Very big no.

11:48

Well, that's, I mean, she seems

11:50

to be, yeah. know

11:53

and she seems to be I don't know I still just

11:55

think because like to me listen if you're

11:58

really like at that break.

12:00

point like where you just

12:02

can't handle it. Can't you just

12:05

stay on insulated like

12:07

I will not like that's it. I'm deactivating

12:09

social media like there is a way like there

12:11

are people in the world now granted. This is not their

12:13

job that I know that just do not

12:16

they don't have social media. They will not

12:18

have an Instagram. They this is like real people. I

12:20

know

12:21

couldn't you just say

12:23

like I'm keeping my million dollars and I'm going

12:25

to give it on the screen and that's it. That's it, I

12:27

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12:29

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13:51

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13:53

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13:55

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13:56

fighting amongst each other and it just

13:58

was so toxic. to me. And

14:01

I was told that I couldn't do that.

14:03

But I needed to have a Facebook

14:05

account, a Twitter account and an IG

14:08

account. Bravo

14:10

told you that. Yeah.

14:12

Yeah. And that, you know, housewives

14:15

don't quit, you don't, you know, back

14:17

down, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like,

14:20

I didn't have one before I started. I

14:22

mean, or if I did, it was like, nothing. I you

14:25

know, it was. Yeah, I

14:27

don't I don't know, but I

14:29

think she craves the attention too much

14:31

to go to that link.

14:33

She's not going to shut that down. She feeds

14:36

on attention.

14:39

She needs it. I

14:41

didn't know that Bravo does things like say like,

14:44

no, get on there and stir it up.

14:46

And yeah, like you have

14:48

to have, yes. I mean, they called

14:51

me to say what's going on. Like, why did you shut

14:53

that down? Wow.

14:56

Cause like you weren't quitting the show. You just

14:58

weren't. I just didn't want all the like,

15:00

I didn't want, I didn't want people like fighting and

15:02

like threatening each other for me. Like

15:05

I don't need it.

15:06

And they said, okay, go and turn

15:08

this back on right now. Yep. Wow.

15:11

Yep. Wow. Yeah.

15:16

I mean, she's not on the show. She could shut it down now,

15:18

but while she's doing the show, I know

15:20

I don't think so. But unless that's

15:23

changed, but when I did it, that was not

15:25

an option. Wow,

15:27

I still think like 90% she was fired. But

15:30

I mean, listen, I have my doubts, trust

15:32

me. The more I read that, I'm like, God, she's so,

15:35

she's sticking to this, she's done other interviews

15:37

since then. The only thing

15:40

why I see her 50% is like, for

15:42

someone whose whole thing is just owning it

15:44

and being real, which we've seen, she has

15:47

thrown herself into the job, why

15:49

not? Like she is the type that would just say

15:51

like, I got fired guys.

15:53

I agree. I think she'd be like, Hell

15:55

yeah, I got fired. Yeah,

15:58

I got fired. from lots

16:00

of jobs. You want to go down the list? I mean, yeah,

16:04

she just seems to me like, and I don't

16:06

think she would be the person that would

16:08

knowing that the people at Bravo

16:11

and E and NBC knew

16:13

she was fired are sitting there looking

16:15

at her line to everybody. I

16:17

don't know. I don't

16:19

think she would want that. You

16:22

know, I don't

16:24

know. All although

16:27

I didn't, I didn't I will

16:29

say that I 100% thought

16:31

she was coming back. And

16:33

I think that maybe that her behavior

16:36

as it went downhill in the reunion and maybe

16:38

they were trying to revive her

16:40

with the fans and she

16:43

just couldn't get out of her own way. She couldn't stop

16:45

with all of the, and who knows what

16:47

was happening behind the scenes if she was sending

16:50

messages, you know, like she said

16:52

to Kim, like I'm gonna fuck you up or

16:55

like, you know, like that kind of stuff. Who knows what was

16:57

all going on? It could have been a hell

16:59

of a lot more that's never come out.

17:03

Well, it could have been like you said, they

17:06

may be. I mean, I don't really

17:07

think it is the bots, but right.

17:09

Like if they found

17:12

something out, they could have been like, listen,

17:14

you know, you need

17:16

to quit. Like we're gonna give

17:18

you 24 hours, come back and quit because otherwise,

17:21

like it could be like just a technicality of like,

17:23

we're gonna fire you, but why don't you come in tomorrow

17:26

and actually quit so we can all just

17:28

say. Maybe, resign, yeah. And

17:31

it could also be that they

17:33

just kind of wanted before the show

17:36

goes in the direction of New York, like

17:38

try to salvage it, bring back a little

17:41

decorum, a little bit of class

17:43

and bring it up a notch. And

17:46

somebody's got to go. And since she's the one that

17:48

everyone, I mean, they had petitions out

17:50

to get rid of her since she's the one. And

17:53

I remember seeing on, cause

17:55

people sent me stuff and they were like, finally,

17:57

you know, Bravo's listened to the fans.

17:59

We're back. for her to be gone. We want her

18:02

gone. We want Erica gone. You know, they're

18:04

finally listening to us because I was never going

18:06

to watch again. You know, that type of thing where I hate

18:08

to show she's ruined it, ruined it, ruined it.

18:11

So maybe Bravo just

18:14

said, you know, let's just let her know she can

18:16

come back. Just take a pause,

18:19

take a time out, go away for a season,

18:21

see if like, you

18:22

know, we run the

18:24

opinions of the fans a year from now.

18:26

And if everyone's kind of over it and we miss

18:28

you, you can come back.

18:30

I don't know. That just seems to me like the most realistic

18:33

anyway. Yeah, because I always say

18:36

like Bravo doesn't care what the fans say.

18:38

They just care about what you know, the advertisers.

18:40

But I agree

18:41

with you. Like I started to, you know,

18:43

question my own statement because I could admit

18:46

when I'm wrong that people

18:48

there were petitions and they really,

18:51

really said they weren't going to watch

18:53

if she was back. And I think that

18:56

that could be a factor. It could just be like

18:58

everybody wants this person gone so

19:01

bad.

19:02

We can't risk the ratings.

19:05

Exactly. And maybe her, in

19:08

her thinking was also that now

19:11

is the best time to go while she still has

19:13

this level of,

19:15

you know, where

19:17

people know who she is. She came

19:19

off of a successful show. And truth

19:21

be told, whether you like her or not, She's a very,

19:24

very big part of that show being popular.

19:27

And yeah,

19:29

so maybe it was just, you know, you got to make hay while

19:31

the sun shines and she's going

19:34

to go put her toes in another pond and see

19:36

if there's something that comes

19:38

up. And I don't know. I mean, I

19:41

saw something that she said she was going to, you

19:44

know, give Kris Jenner a run for money.

19:46

Like the Hamlins

19:48

are going to take over the Kardashians. and

19:51

I was like, yeah, that ain't happenin'. No.

19:54

First of all, they already had a reality show,

19:57

Lisa and Harry. Do you remember that? on we.

20:00

way back when Tori and Dean were on

20:02

that network. They try or

20:04

was on oxygen. Sorry, it was on oxygen there.

20:06

I think they are we one of those they they already

20:08

Tori and Dean run oxygen, but I think Lisa was too.

20:11

They already tried that and no she's not going to give

20:14

and her daughters hated being on Beverly

20:16

Hills housewives. I don't think they're lining up

20:18

to do a reality show. I mean, I don't think

20:21

in the fact that the oldest

20:23

daughter, you know, is not 100%

20:27

stable as far as like depression or

20:29

whatever, like didn't she say she has anxiety

20:32

or something that she gets into these bunks? Why

20:34

would you want to throw your kid into that

20:37

fire

20:38

when she hasn't handled it already?

20:40

I don't care if her

20:43

reality show is the number one reality show on

20:45

whatever network she chooses. She ain't giving Kris

20:47

Jenner and Kim Kardashian

20:48

even close to a run for their

20:50

money. No one is. So just everyone give

20:53

up that fight. Exactly.

20:55

They're the most famous family that probably

20:57

ever will be and just, you

21:00

know, other than the royal family, I can't think of, I

21:02

mean, it's ridiculous.

21:05

What about do you like when I go

21:07

down my conspiracy theory road

21:10

of like, do you think it is Kathy

21:11

Hilton had anything to do with this, the power

21:14

of Kathy Hilton at NBC? I

21:16

mean, Paris Hilton is doing the envy,

21:18

the Olympic ads for, for

21:21

Paris, like the Olympics are in Paris.

21:23

I don't know I don't know if you saw those ads on NBC, it's

21:25

like Paris and they're talking about Paris and she's like,

21:28

oh,

21:28

that Paris? I thought you were talking. Right,

21:31

so it's like we have that, we have, I don't think Paris

21:34

and love is ever coming back despite what they said.

21:36

Like, you know, is it the whole NBC

21:38

conglomerate of just like this Kathy

21:40

Hilton runs deep?

21:42

I mean, do I think that she

21:44

had any weight to pull it?

21:47

Yes, I think she did. Do I think that she was a

21:49

deciding factor? I don't know about

21:51

that, I don't know. but

21:53

I wouldn't, no. I

21:55

mean, everyone, everyone

21:58

is replaceable. Everyone, I don't. who

22:00

you are. You're replaceable. People will

22:02

forget about you if somebody else comes along and

22:04

delivers. And Kathy

22:07

Hilton has been great, but

22:09

I'm sure that they listened to it and if she really

22:11

did say, I'm not coming back unless she's gone,

22:14

okay. Did it make it easier

22:16

for them? If Brandon was like, I don't know if I need to

22:18

come back, we ever need a season off, and

22:20

they could push her and say, yeah, maybe you should take a season

22:23

off. And if you want to come back next season,

22:25

you know, we're here for you. And

22:27

in getting someone like a verbal like that,

22:30

that doesn't even mean that that's contractual.

22:32

You know what I mean? Well, yeah, well, the door

22:34

is always open, that kind of thing. Yeah,

22:38

that that means nothing. It means

22:40

nothing. No. It

22:43

means nothing. I mean, granted, we don't even know if Kathy's

22:45

technically coming back. She'll

22:48

be back, especially if if Retta's

22:51

gone, I think.

22:53

I just think too, it's the sheer, the

22:55

reason I thought she was going in week two, it's

22:57

the sheer like, how do you change

22:59

this show? She's like, when they got rid

23:01

of Dorinda or like Vicky in the OC, like

23:04

when you become bigger than the show,

23:06

they really do want

23:07

an ensemble cast. That's why Kyle Richards

23:10

will never be fired. She is the classic

23:12

example of what you should do as a housewife. She

23:15

shows off, she drives the

23:17

ship, she's major, but she never

23:20

is too offensive. She's a big, want

23:23

you to be a team player like that. So, Rina

23:26

sucks the life out of a scene. She

23:28

can't, it's not a bad thing. That's

23:31

why she lasted eight years, but when it

23:33

gets to be too much and it's like your

23:35

show, it's too, you have

23:37

to go, you gotta go. Right,

23:39

right. I agree with that. And

23:41

I think she doesn't have, you

23:43

know,

23:45

first, second, third and fourth gear. Like she just

23:47

goes from zero to a hundred

23:49

and she wants the spotlight, she wants to be

23:52

in the mix.

23:53

And I think it

23:55

was after, I

23:57

don't know when it was, but there was one season, remember where

23:59

she... she just kind of like took

24:02

the background and didn't say or do anything.

24:04

And everyone was like, we want Renna, we want Messi, Renna

24:06

back. That's who she is.

24:09

And you know, you and I were

24:11

talking or texting earlier and we were just

24:14

saying, say what you will.

24:16

She delivers on a level that

24:18

no other housewife has with the

24:20

drama. She has

24:23

a way of blurring the line

24:25

of acting and reality. and reality

24:29

because

24:29

that's what that is.

24:31

And

24:31

that's, I mean, she's an actress,

24:33

right? I mean, that's her job.

24:35

Yeah. Well,

24:38

that's, did you see that when we were texting,

24:40

did you see that interview she did on E? She

24:43

just did it on the E where they asked

24:45

her, they said, what is Beverly

24:47

Hills gonna miss by not having you there? And she was

24:50

like, everything. And then she did

24:52

laugh. She made a joke, but she said everything,

24:54

like immediately.

24:56

And she said the girls will be fine, but everything.

24:58

And then when she started explaining what she brought

25:00

to the show, I

25:03

mean, it's almost like, listen,

25:06

either she's moved on or

25:08

she's a great actress, right? Because

25:10

I'm really believing that she's in

25:13

Paris Fashion Week. She had lunch

25:15

with Kelly Rutherford from Melrose Place.

25:17

She's in front, like, she's

25:20

really her social- None

25:22

of that is, that's all like one day,

25:24

a weekend, four days, like it's nothing.

25:26

That's, you know what I mean? Like that's not gonna

25:29

make you feel good about yourself if you think, God,

25:31

the world hates me and everyone that knows who

25:33

I am thinks I'm like the biggest,

25:35

you know, shits

25:38

during Biatch on the planet. Like

25:40

that doesn't, four days in Paris

25:43

and a weekend in Amsterdam doesn't

25:45

make the

25:46

self loathing go away if she really has

25:48

it. think she's hurting inside

25:51

and trying to work out. I think to some

25:53

degree, I think it would be almost

25:55

subhuman to say that what

25:58

everyone to set about you doesn't affect

26:00

I just don't, I'm

26:02

sorry, I don't believe it. I don't care if you're like

26:04

the coldest ice queen in the world, if

26:06

you're Erica Girardi. I think to

26:08

some degree, those are the people that act like

26:10

nothing's hurting them that I think actually hurt

26:12

the most.

26:15

You tell. I do, I do. I

26:17

think it's, I just don't, I don't buy it. You

26:19

know, sure, you know, it's your job. I'm sure

26:21

it's not her

26:22

core group or a family. And she's like, I told

26:25

you before, in my opinion, she's a little bit of a loner,

26:27

you know what I mean? She doesn't run that tight

26:29

with anybody. But

26:32

yeah, I don't, I just, I

26:34

don't believe that. I just don't think that that's, as

26:37

human beings, we want to be liked.

26:39

We want to feel

26:42

kindness from other people. And when everyone

26:45

doesn't like you and everyone's like, just die.

26:47

You're the worst thing that's ever happened. I mean,

26:49

that doesn't feel good.

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27:59

I, you know, she's posting.

28:00

about all that Paris, she's posting

28:02

about just everything.

28:04

It's every Rina Wines. And I'm

28:07

like, and especially when she

28:09

did this interview with

28:11

E, I was like, I mean,

28:14

when she says like, look, this is what I did, I

28:16

showed up. And

28:18

I was like, you know, it's kind of like what you and I

28:20

have talked about before, like, was she in on

28:23

the joke,

28:24

the game, like, was

28:26

she just like, I know

28:28

the world is hating me, but I this is

28:30

the job description and I'm better

28:33

at it than anyone, which you can't

28:35

say that Kyle, I think is better at it than

28:38

anyone because Kyle is there and it's

28:40

not affecting her. Right. This

28:42

is what I said in another show. Like I, you don't watch, but like, so

28:44

say like you watch survivor, just like,

28:47

like you, so like at survivors, sometimes you have

28:49

the final two people and they're sitting there. This

28:51

is really, and like they want the million dollars. Alisa

28:54

Rina stands up and she says, I deserve

28:56

the million dollars because look,

28:59

I drove LVP off

29:01

the show. I took down Kathy

29:03

Hilton or I tried. I got rid of Denise.

29:05

Like I did this. I did the job.

29:08

I deserve the million dollars. Look at Kyle. She's

29:10

sitting next to me. What the hell does she do? She does

29:12

nothing. And then you're like, oh shit, I'm

29:14

going to vote for Rina, even though we all hate her. And

29:16

then she sits down and Kyle stands up and she's

29:18

like, I was behind getting LVP

29:21

off the show. I don't have blood on my hands. Renna

29:23

does. And then she's like, Denise, I

29:25

had no time for Denise. I wanted her out of here. I don't

29:28

have blood on my hands. So then Kyle wins.

29:30

In that situation, the person who's Kyle wins,

29:32

because she's like, I actually was behind

29:34

all this, but you don't think I was. And

29:37

I'm like,

29:38

so it's like, but when you

29:40

read, so when, but when she did that, she was

29:42

like, you know, I showed up, I

29:45

did the job and this is like, I can say I did

29:47

the job. So that's where I was like, was she in

29:49

on this? Like, is she now that

29:51

it's over? Like, guys,

29:54

I'm fine

29:55

because I was always fine. I just, I

29:57

was in it. and now that it's over.

30:00

it only took me a day. Cause now it's like that

30:02

job is over. Do you see what I'm saying?

30:04

I hear exactly what you're saying. And to

30:07

some degree, yes. But I also,

30:09

I also would

30:11

think that, you

30:14

know, playing the whole Aston thing

30:16

with Kathy Hilton and all of that, maybe

30:18

that wasn't a very smart move and maybe, and

30:20

I said before that I think that maybe

30:24

she thought things were going to go her way or that the

30:26

fans would like believe her with it. and

30:29

they just dislike her so much that no matter

30:32

if people even believe that. And I

30:34

remember when that was all coming out and everyone was like,

30:36

well, I'm not saying that Kathy didn't

30:39

have a meltdown. I'm not saying that I couldn't see Kathy

30:41

Hilton saying these things, but they

30:43

dislike Renah so much that they were still on

30:45

Kathy Hilton's team. That's the stuff

30:47

that I think Renah didn't

30:49

take into consideration when she

30:51

brought up some of these things. I

30:53

think she didn't, and

30:56

maybe because she had enough yes, people around her

30:58

telling her how great she is and how she's making

31:00

the whole season and how she's a star

31:03

of Beverly Hills and everything that she didn't wanna

31:05

believe that

31:07

she was really as disliked as she

31:09

is. I don't know. It's

31:12

hard to say. For

31:16

me, I think what's so difficult is

31:18

that I really don't feel like I know her anymore.

31:21

I know her a little bit,

31:22

But

31:25

I don't, for her to get to the

31:27

point where she is now, the way she acts now,

31:29

I did not know that girl.

31:32

So who knows what the hell she thinks. Yeah,

31:39

no, I mean, yeah, I mean, maybe I'm just giving her

31:41

too much credit. Cause I mean, to me it

31:43

was like, wow, like

31:45

you were so invested.

31:48

And now that it's over, you're, look,

31:51

it took a minute. Okay, fine. You know, maybe

31:53

she's more maniacal than you and me, whereas

31:55

she got over it quickly, but it was almost like it's

31:58

over, so I don't need to care and

32:00

more and I'm going to be fine. Because

32:02

I mean, do you know what I mean? Like that? Because that's

32:04

the attitude she's giving off. Whether that's true

32:07

or not. But she, she

32:09

pretty much has to. The only housewife that

32:11

I've ever seen that like really

32:14

was honest about leaving the show

32:16

was Teddy when Teddy was just

32:18

like, I feel like it's

32:20

a, a boyfriend broke up with me.

32:23

She cried about it, broke her heart.

32:26

She was so distraught about it. Who what other

32:28

housewife has ever said like, Oh,

32:30

I'm so, you know, upset about

32:33

being fired or leaving the show. Everyone

32:35

acts like Oh, it's nothing. I think

32:37

he got Wilson from the OC Vicki

32:40

Conner. Okay, right. Went on a depression

32:42

tour. Okay.

32:46

She was depressed. Oh,

32:48

but yes, no, I like I mean,

32:52

I get what you're saying. Renah's

32:54

ego is way too big to ever

32:56

give anybody that.

32:59

She's just not going to.

33:02

That's my, I just don't think she's ever gonna

33:04

be that vulnerable. She's ever gonna give up

33:07

those feelings that she guards. She's always

33:09

gonna act. I mean, her whole thing is like, fuck yeah,

33:12

like, she's just like, you know, she's

33:14

like this,

33:16

no. You

33:18

can't be that and then be like, oh,

33:20

I'm so depressed. I can't believe this. This

33:22

is like, you know, the best job I've ever had.

33:25

I'm gone. I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself. No,

33:27

you just have to act like, you know, it's all

33:30

keep it moving. I'm great.

33:33

Well, she did actually say, fuck you when she was booed

33:35

at Bravo Con. She stuck up both her. She

33:38

has to, she has to. It's

33:41

who she is. It's a message she's basically

33:44

delivered for eight years that that's

33:46

who she is.

33:48

And if she shows that it bothers

33:50

her, then we all call in

33:53

to question everything

33:55

that she's done. Because all of a sudden she's

33:58

insincere about everything. acts like she

34:00

is.

34:04

Right? Yeah. Yeah.

34:08

I mean, is it good that the fans

34:10

have if you know, because I mean, listen,

34:13

I think getting booted Bravo con and I think when they

34:15

say we're not going to watch, I think it's all

34:17

of the above, right? Like it's a culmination. Maybe Kathy,

34:20

maybe you needed to change the show.

34:22

But like if the fans have the ability

34:24

to like,

34:25

speak, I mean, they're the ones watching, why

34:28

shouldn't they have a say or Is it bad? Like, are

34:30

they going to start now driving the ship when

34:32

they don't like someone that technically

34:34

should be there? I don't know. I mean, maybe I'm overthinking

34:36

it.

34:37

I think that the punishment has

34:40

to fit the crime. And I don't think that

34:42

this is like one bad season of

34:44

Rena doing shitty stuff. I think

34:46

it's, you know, you can go down the line with LVP,

34:49

Yolanda, Denise. I mean, she's

34:51

got a graveyard.

34:53

And whether she wants to believe

34:55

it or not, you know, there are people that, all those

34:57

people that she, you know, basically torch.

35:00

That was

35:02

someone's favorite housewife. So

35:04

of course,

35:06

you know, the numbers are gonna add up where people think

35:08

you're an asshole.

35:11

Did you see that Lisa Vanderpump

35:13

did that tweet ding dong? Did I send

35:15

you that? Yeah, you did. You

35:18

kept me in the loop while I was in India. I would like

35:20

get this and I was like, what the hell is going

35:22

on over there? And I only sent you like the

35:24

major stuff. Listen, I mean, that's

35:27

not, I would do the same thing. Like, I

35:29

mean, it's kind of like, that's

35:31

the least of things that Lisa Vanderpump could have

35:33

said at that point, right? I mean,

35:37

like you can't like, I mean, that's

35:39

the thing you have so many people that just

35:41

you worked with. Somehow Denise

35:44

is the one that to me gets

35:46

under my skin the most. I don't know. That

35:48

was the most person you were friends with,

35:51

even more so than the

35:53

others. It was the shittiest by

35:55

far. It was the worst

35:57

as far as a friendship, like messing.

36:00

with

36:00

somebody's family life. She

36:02

had kids that were under the age of 18. That

36:04

was really shady.

36:06

Very, very shady. I mean,

36:08

it's one thing

36:10

to say that Kathy had a breakdown and talked

36:12

shit about Kyle. Well, hello, was

36:15

it a decade of not talking? No

36:18

one's gonna find that so hard to believe. And

36:20

that's why it goes back to what I said before.

36:23

I think everyone was like, oh, she probably did have a meltdown.

36:25

She probably did say some shitty things. She probably did

36:27

do all those things. but

36:29

still like Kathy better.

36:32

I'm on Kathy's team.

36:34

I think you're right. Because if you

36:36

think about it on paper,

36:38

Lisa was probably like, wait

36:40

a second. I'm gonna not just take down Kathy

36:42

Hilton. I'm gonna take her down for like

36:45

a gay slur. Like this

36:47

is like, I'm gonna have the LG. I'm gonna have

36:49

all the boys on my side. Yeah, but

36:52

I mean- They plotted together. Yeah,

36:55

like that was part of her, right? I mean,

36:57

but I think she thought like, man,

37:00

like, I'm going to be the hero. I'm

37:02

going to be the hero of exposing this bigoted

37:04

woman. I think you're right. I

37:07

think she never really

37:10

thought through. It's like when you go to court

37:12

and a case settles like the, like on the court

37:14

steps

37:14

and nothing ever gets goes

37:16

to trial. This is why, whether you have a case

37:18

or not, you just don't know when you're

37:20

in that courtroom, you think you're going to, you know, you

37:22

think you're going to go away, not

37:25

guilty. And there you are. So it's like, you said

37:27

all, that's why Jen Shasta. So it's

37:29

like, I think she just like, you never,

37:31

I think she just thought like, there's no way Kathy

37:34

Helton is not gonna be taken down over slurs, over

37:36

racial slurs. Like this is it for her. I

37:38

think she just thought the world, this is,

37:41

I'm the hero.

37:42

Right. And I think that that's

37:44

true to some degree, but the fact that none

37:47

of it was on tape, no one would

37:49

cosign except Erica who like

37:51

blatantly, Erica and Renan, you

37:53

know, never minced words on the way they felt about

37:56

her all through this last season. So,

37:58

you know,

38:00

You know, it

38:03

just wasn't, it wasn't, there

38:06

was no smoking gun. You know what I mean?

38:08

There was nothing. It was her word against your

38:10

word. And if

38:13

no one else heard it, if no one's willing to come

38:16

forward and say, yes, I

38:19

heard it. She said things like that before,

38:22

even if it wasn't in Aspen, if someone would

38:24

have came up said, you

38:26

know, two years ago, I

38:28

heard her make a slur.

38:31

And she said this, there's could be

38:33

so many people that stood up and said,

38:35

Yes, I'll co sign on that. She's

38:37

she's said those things before. She

38:40

I didn't hear it in the house. But I've heard her say it elsewhere.

38:42

No one. And I'm

38:45

not saying that she didn't say those things. I

38:47

don't know. But Renee

38:49

did not have the jury

38:51

on her side going into it. She

38:55

was now. No, no.

38:58

And that's where I think she really made

39:00

a mistake and misjudge the

39:03

audience because I think that she felt

39:05

like

39:05

enough people liked her and enough people

39:08

would believe and because I think that she always says

39:10

I don't lie, I don't lie, I tell the truth. And

39:13

I said to you before I said I

39:15

believe whether it's the

39:17

real reality truth or not, I believe

39:20

that when she repeats something in her mind,

39:22

that is her truth, whether she heard it correctly,

39:24

saw it correctly,

39:25

thought it out correctly, when

39:28

she repeats something, she thinks she's telling

39:30

the truth. Well, that goes back to your

39:32

point of not recognizing her. Like she has

39:35

lost herself in this eight years.

39:37

Yeah, she didn't, you

39:39

know, she didn't, when

39:42

I was there, I think that was her second year.

39:45

Hold on, my alarm is going off. I think that

39:47

was her second year and she was still

39:49

very, I mean, she was herself, and

39:52

she was spirited, but she wasn't

39:55

maligning. She wasn't,

39:58

you know, Well. to like

40:01

cut someone's throat open where that

40:04

every year she and

40:07

I, you know, I just wonder, was

40:09

there someone in production that just like kept

40:11

giving her an attaboy and pushing

40:13

her and telling them a great job? I

40:15

think so.

40:16

Yes. I think the same thing I

40:19

related to like, I don't, you didn't watch the New York

40:21

season. Like I don't think with Dorinda, Dorinda

40:24

like, remember, did you watch that season where Dorinda was so

40:26

horrible to to Tinsley

40:28

and she, and then she

40:30

got fired. I feel, now I'm

40:32

not a huge, Dorenda and I have had our own

40:34

issues in the real world, but she's

40:36

been on my podcast, you know, whatever. But

40:39

the point is, I

40:41

believe that they, they

40:43

set Dorenda. I believe they said,

40:45

girl, double down, be even meaner

40:48

to her. And I

40:48

really think when you are doing

40:51

it, you are getting an attaboy. I

40:53

do, I think they did that to Dorenda. And

40:56

then they said, and I think they know

40:58

it when they're doing it. Like I think like,

41:00

well, let me put it this way. That's why I was, that's why

41:02

I said Renee was gonna go. I think when they're doing

41:04

it, they

41:05

know, because the thing is think

41:07

about it this way. When you, when it's your

41:10

time to go and they need to change the

41:12

show, they really want you to go

41:14

hate it. They do. So

41:16

I think that they say attaboy

41:19

so that when it's you go, it's like

41:22

there's less, Oh, thank God she's gone. Yeah,

41:24

I really do. It's the same thing as Dorinda

41:27

to me. I think

41:27

they said, go girl. Now I think,

41:29

yes, Dorinda had that in her. It

41:31

wasn't like they just created this. Like I'm

41:34

not giving Dorinda a pass. They fan the fire.

41:37

They fan the fire. And then they

41:39

know that it's going to be such a fall

41:41

that I knew I said all season Dorinda's

41:44

fire. I said it from like the second week and

41:46

she was. Like this

41:47

isn't again about me being right, but I think that's

41:49

what they do. And I really think they did

41:51

that with Renna. Yeah. And of course you could always

41:53

backtrack. Let's see how the reunion goes, But

41:55

I think the real plan is they want

41:57

you to triple down so hard that

42:01

it's like the jokes on you. And what

42:03

I don't understand is it's

42:05

happened a hundred times. We can go down the list of everyone

42:08

they did this to. How do you not

42:10

see it? Like I would see it. I would say,

42:12

no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to do

42:14

that. Because they

42:17

prey on women that already have insecurities

42:19

and like need that attention and that

42:22

fame and they're

42:25

craving it. And

42:27

in that season, while it's all going

42:29

down, it's not airing on television. So

42:31

no one is critiquing you other than the show

42:34

producers at the time, the

42:36

showrunner. There's no one watching

42:38

it. And in your mind, if everyone's

42:40

like, oh my God, you just made that episode.

42:42

You're like the

42:43

star, you're carrying the

42:45

season. Great job, great job. And

42:48

you trust that you're gonna get a good edit and they're

42:50

gonna make you look good because you're their VIP

42:52

or I mean their MVP.

42:54

You go with it. And you know, maybe

42:56

it was another way knowing

42:59

that they've got to mix it up. You know,

43:01

she's next to Kyle, she's been there

43:03

the longest, right? Has anyone else been there

43:05

longer than Kyle? Did Ritta

43:08

start the same, she started one season

43:10

before Erica, yeah. Yeah,

43:12

yeah. Because you started Erica's season, yeah. So

43:15

imagine she's probably gonna draw a

43:18

pretty nice chat, right? Yes. And

43:21

the evolution has a phone book

43:23

this thick of women chomping

43:26

at the bit to get on that show.

43:28

So it's not like they can't pull

43:30

somebody out that's gonna

43:32

still bring it, but be fresh blood that they're

43:34

paying 60,000 a year to and not paying

43:37

over a million.

43:40

It's the same reason I think Melissa Gorga is

43:42

gonna be fired. We'll get into Jersey later this

43:44

season. Like this isn't right. No,

43:46

I agree. I say it's like, it's a business. It's why

43:48

Vicky got fired, you know, but

43:51

it's up or out. Now I think Kyle is

43:53

the second most protected housewife and the whole fr

44:00

Kyle will, you know, it's a very short list

44:02

of someone who will know. I don't even think there's anyone else.

44:04

I think Teresa and Kyle love them or hate

44:06

them. I think those are the two people that would never

44:09

be fired. That's it. And I think everyone

44:11

else is susceptible. Everyone. And

44:13

I mean, then also, I'm really curious. I don't

44:15

know what Kyle has like in her

44:17

deal in Mauricio. I mean, they did a spin

44:20

off now with the agency, they're making money

44:22

off of him. You

44:23

know, they take a percentage of his business

44:25

based on the contract. If you start a business while

44:28

you're filming due to your fame

44:31

on the show, they get a percentage of what

44:33

you make.

44:34

So I wonder if that includes I mean, because

44:37

that they got to be they got to be paying

44:39

for their own salaries and what they're

44:41

making. Because that was on

44:43

Netflix,

44:44

I wonder if they get a piece of his

44:46

Netflix deal for buying Beverly Hills,

44:49

that reality show. I

44:50

don't know. I don't know. I don't

44:53

know. But I don't know. But put it this way.

44:55

The agency in the

44:58

agency is like, I mean, that's loaded, 60

45:02

offices. Yeah, they could be

45:04

I don't and I don't know what kind of deals she has, who knows.

45:07

But, you know, they could be getting

45:09

a percentage. And I don't know how many years that

45:11

lasts. And if it's negotiable after a certain

45:13

amount of money, the money that they're making off of Kyle and

45:15

Marisa could be paying for Kyle salary.

45:18

That's

45:18

true. So

45:22

I wonder how it works if you leave like

45:25

does rent a wines like do you have to give

45:27

a percent I mean I don't know it might

45:29

not make any money on that. That's

45:32

not making money. Well February 13th

45:34

it's going nationwide according to her Instagram.

45:39

Um

45:40

yeah no but you're right it's

45:42

it's it's a high salary too but

45:45

but I definitely agree I think the attaboy

45:46

was to the Brenda. I think it was to Renna.

45:49

And so, but I guess you're right too is like

45:51

you really are in a vacuum.

45:53

And so like you really,

45:54

even though I guess even

45:57

after eight years, I guess you really can't tell.

46:00

what the public's reaction is gonna be, right?

46:03

Right. And I think

46:05

so much of it in the moment, not

46:08

knowing how they're gonna edit it, not,

46:11

they'll tell you enough, but

46:13

not all of it. And

46:17

yeah, I just, you know, and

46:20

I think didn't, Renna, I don't know, but

46:23

didn't someone feel like they didn't

46:25

get a good edit? Was it Renna that felt

46:27

like the story wasn't told properly.

46:29

She feels, yeah,

46:32

I don't know if it is. She feels sabotaged.

46:34

She's made a statement that she feels like

46:36

set up by everything.

46:38

Yeah. I

46:41

think that I'm sure she does,

46:43

because I'm sure that when it was all

46:45

going down and everything was happening, her

46:48

vision of it was not what

46:50

she saw when the season played out.

46:53

It is. She would begin carrying the show.

46:56

She thought that she was one step ahead of Kathy

46:59

and everyone in the, you know, the game

47:01

playing department. And she thought that

47:03

she was king of the chess board.

47:06

Best, you're probably right.

47:08

Cause think about it. She probably thought

47:11

I made this damn fucking show with Denise

47:13

Richards. Look what I did. I made this damn show

47:15

with LVP. Like it's not even like

47:17

an ego. You just, it is, but like,

47:19

you just believe it. Like you're just, this

47:21

was another year for her doing the job.

47:24

and she's like, now, Kathy, next season,

47:26

I'll figure out who, I really think they were like,

47:28

you're the best at this. Like, and she writes, you've had

47:30

such success for eight, not eight months,

47:33

eight years. Yes. Think

47:35

that's you lose

47:36

sight of the fact that everybody's

47:38

replaceable. I

47:40

say, I say in my next

47:43

life, because I don't have time in this one. I, I

47:45

say this all the time. I would come back. I would open

47:47

a reality TV school really of

47:49

what you do to get the job, what

47:52

you do the first year, what you do

47:54

if you're there eight years later, and like I would tell

47:56

you and then I would tell you how to exit and what to do after.

48:00

I swear to God, I say all the time, my first sentence of my

48:02

course would be, everybody's

48:04

replaceable. And you have to say that every, you

48:06

have to look in the mirror in the morning and

48:09

three times you have to say that

48:10

every day that you go to

48:12

film, every single day, right?

48:14

And don't drink the Kool-Aid. Never

48:17

drink the Kool-Aid. And look, you

48:19

can negotiate, I'm all about negotiating,

48:22

but then you get punished. Like if

48:24

you negotiate your contract next year and

48:26

you get a little more than you should, First of all,

48:28

the year it's like corporate America, the year

48:30

after you're getting nothing, you know, when you, and

48:33

you're gonna get punished, like they're gonna, it's

48:35

not gonna end well. They're gonna slap you

48:37

down when they get the opportunity. For sure.

48:41

I think that they probably, and

48:44

you know, they have good cop, bad cop on the production

48:47

team, that alarm clock. Hold on one second.

48:50

They do have good cop, bad cop. Well,

48:53

you know, now you're, You

48:55

know, Alex Bastian and those

48:57

people. Yeah, they,

48:59

you know, they'll be, they'll

49:02

tell you what you want to hear. And then, you know,

49:04

you'll think like, okay, great.

49:06

And then, you know, they're

49:10

disgusted with your social

49:12

media account and try to really,

49:14

you know, rein you in and

49:16

yeah, it's just, I

49:19

don't know. They own you. They own you. Kyle

49:22

and I think LVP to some regard,

49:25

even if there's some of the people that didn't like LVP

49:27

because she got too big for her britches,

49:30

before she left and

49:32

tried to produce the show and control,

49:35

Rena did the same thing, whether she

49:37

will admit it or not. The things that

49:39

she was always lambasting LVP about,

49:41

she was doing the same thing.

49:44

I can guarantee you if some network

49:47

comes along and gives Lisa and Harry a reality

49:49

show, I guarantee you the first name that you

49:51

will see as an executive producer on that show

49:53

as Lisa Renner. I think I don't,

49:56

she's not signing on any next

49:58

second network. without complete,

50:01

not maybe complete, but a big storyline

50:04

editing say in it. I think she knows,

50:07

she knows now, she knows. Yeah, I

50:09

just don't, I

50:12

just, I don't even know if, we

50:15

don't need another like

50:18

family show like that. And honestly,

50:21

no, and there are, I mean, you know, the Chris

50:24

Lees did well until they just went to

50:26

jail, but like the show shows are

50:28

not doing well. Like they tried the Culpo

50:30

sisters, like they just, I interviewed them

50:32

through, like that they, that didn't do well.

50:35

They did Bradshaw and it was best with Terry Bradshaw

50:37

and his family. It did okay, but it quickly

50:39

fizzled. Like those, the family

50:42

shows are not like with celebs.

50:44

It's not working that, that for

50:46

real. It doesn't work anymore. And she,

50:48

she can't carry the whole show. You know what I mean?

50:51

It's not like her kids are,

50:53

Harry are going to be delivering on her level.

50:55

You know, she's a, at least the Kardashians

50:57

have Chris They've got Courtney, they've got.

50:59

Kendall, Kylie,

51:02

I mean. Yeah, they've got the whole, all

51:04

of them. They're all bringing their own flavor

51:06

of craziness. It's,

51:10

there's a reason it works. It's good. I

51:12

know, you're right. It's really good. I mean,

51:15

yes, it's very scripted. And

51:17

yes, there's not a word that anyone

51:20

is uttering on that show that is not 100% approved

51:23

by Kim and Kylie. Everything is approved.

51:27

but it works, it doesn't matter,

51:29

it works.

51:30

And they built that on their own, you

51:32

know what I mean? It started off where it wasn't

51:34

that, but

51:35

year after year after year, they kept their

51:37

following and it's a machine.

51:41

The thing about them is anyone that knows

51:43

them, you talk to them, they say they all work.

51:45

I mean, that's the thing, like when Kim, everyone jokes

51:47

when Kim is like, get up and work. I'm from the Kim

51:50

Kardashian school of like, I'll get all my haters

51:52

now, of like, I'm the same way,

51:54

get up and work. So like, they do

51:56

work. They're not looking for,

51:59

I mean, they work. Renner works very hard. She

52:02

does. She

52:04

does. She does, but she doesn't

52:06

have the same eye and the

52:08

same delivery as the

52:10

Kardashians do. Sorry. And

52:13

she can't keep that. She can't.

52:15

She'll, she'll... It's not maintainable.

52:18

And I mean, look, the daughters are great models.

52:20

I'm not sure, right. One of them is already having, like, I'm

52:22

not sure that they're

52:24

going to make great TV. I don't, they don't

52:26

seem to want to put it all out there. So that's

52:28

not, that show's not happening. No. Harry's

52:31

Mayfair, which is he's in app and that

52:33

his show got picked and he's not the star of the show, but

52:35

he's a big part of it. He got got picked up for a second

52:38

season. So there you go.

52:40

He has gone on record of saying like he

52:42

is beyond thrilled that Lisa

52:44

is gone.

52:45

I believe that. I'm sure,

52:47

yeah. I, I, I

52:50

believe that. I think even

52:52

if she's, you

52:54

know, sad about it in a way, there

52:57

has to be that kind of like weight off your

52:59

shoulder and a relief that, you

53:02

know, she's, I saw something, I

53:05

don't know if you sent it to me, I think you sent it to me where

53:07

she said, you know, this is a really hard show to

53:09

do. This is really hard. I can't

53:11

even imagine because on the level that she

53:13

delivered,

53:14

my God, that girl

53:16

worked over time. time.

53:18

And

53:21

that's why I thought they would give her one more season.

53:24

I just thought they'd give her a gimme season where you just

53:26

make your money. Here's

53:27

a one year of thank

53:30

you a million bucks. And

53:32

then you ride off into the sunset. They

53:34

don't do it. They

53:36

do not care. They

53:38

don't. They use

53:40

you chew you up and spit you out. Yes. 100%.

53:44

I absolutely

53:46

think like Alex and all of

53:47

them would return Vina's call, which is more than

53:50

most. I mean, most of them, you could call

53:52

them all day. They're not gonna

53:54

return your call, but she can

53:56

call all day. I mean, they're not getting her

53:58

back on the show at this moment they're not.

54:00

helping her with her another, you know, I just think

54:02

they would call her back most, but they do

54:04

they chew you up. No, there's

54:06

no million dollar a year to just kind

54:08

of figure it out. No, they want

54:10

you to go out with a bang. And

54:12

like, the thing is that

54:14

and this is why I said right in the beginning

54:17

that she was going to be let go or not

54:19

come back whatever but like, what

54:21

would they do with her? Like, that's

54:23

why I was so certain right in the

54:25

beginning like, wow. There

54:27

would be no show next season. It was the same with Dorinda.

54:29

Dorinda would have steamrolled over whoever came

54:31

into New York. She was such a bully at

54:34

that point. Like, yeah, how could

54:36

what what would this show even look like next

54:38

season with Lisa Renner there? I mean, where do

54:40

you go? Yeah, she could repair her friendship

54:42

with Kathy. That would take two episodes. You know what I mean?

54:44

Like, whoever knew came in.

54:46

But then someone out had to be in her sights if

54:48

she's Yeah, a character like you

54:50

can't a leopard doesn't change its spots and she's

54:53

been on a war path

54:54

since season

54:56

seven. And think about it, who's

54:59

gonna be more interesting to take down

55:01

than Kathy. You're gonna spend the season taking down,

55:04

no one's gonna care after Kathy Hilton and

55:06

alleged racial slurs in

55:09

Aspen.

55:09

I mean, there's no place to go after that.

55:11

That's what the thing is. You

55:13

have your moment and then there's

55:16

nothing left. Right.

55:18

There's nothing left. You're gonna take down Garcelle

55:20

all season or Crystal, Nobody. Not

55:25

after Cathy Hilton, sorry. I mean, maybe

55:27

you could have taken down Kyle, but you weren't going to do

55:29

that. You weren't going to take to it. I mean, even now

55:32

it's just like, it's over. Yeah,

55:35

it's just over. It's just over. It's

55:37

over. It was a great run. And she said that it was a great

55:39

run. It's the longest job she's ever had. It was a great

55:41

run. And that's that. Do

55:44

you think she realized that

55:46

there was nowhere to go with it? And like, it was

55:48

a great exit. Like I better go before

55:51

I go out on a really boring,

55:53

bad, horrible note. And like

55:55

nothing is salvageable.

55:58

Do you think that that this

56:01

will help her acting career. Like she's

56:03

now on the prowl for acting

56:06

gigs. No,

56:08

you're making a face and rubbing your head.

56:11

No. Like, not

56:16

to be disrespectful, but Melrose Place

56:18

and Days of Our Lives is not really,

56:22

I mean, what has she done in the recent,

56:24

it's just, no. I

56:27

mean, I don't want to sound like an ageist

56:29

and I don't want to be against women,

56:31

but she's 60 years old. You

56:34

see her and everyone says, Beverly

56:36

Hills Housewife. And

56:39

that was the one thing that I kind of was like, oh God,

56:41

I hope she doesn't burn

56:44

through her chances of a job after

56:47

housewives because she's just tortured

56:49

herself. But I kind

56:52

of think in some ways she has. And

56:58

then why is she going to the Lakers game in

57:01

pink boxer shorts, a pink bra, and

57:04

an oversized blazer, in

57:08

sitting courtside at the game? Like it's just,

57:10

it's so desperado. It's like, golly,

57:14

you're almost 60 years old and I don't want to

57:16

be disrespectful because she looks like she's amazing.

57:19

She's in phenomenal shape, all of that. But

57:22

that goes back to my attention

57:25

starved theory. She just

57:27

can't stop craving

57:29

the attention. Well,

57:32

that's what it is. She's like, I'm gonna change the

57:34

narrative. I want you all to talk about me still.

57:37

A, I still want you to talk about me. And B, I want

57:39

you to talk about me for something else other than

57:41

housewives. So yes, I'm gonna wear a

57:43

mini, the shorts up

57:46

basically, I'm not even, our shorts

57:48

and yes, I'm showing everything and

57:50

the

57:51

court side, yup. That's a dime

57:53

a dozen in LA. That's a dime

57:56

a dozen. If you want to be something, be

57:59

opposite of that.

58:01

to me, she's not a dumb girl. She's

58:03

a smart girl, you know? Just have

58:08

a little bit of integrity and a little bit

58:10

of depth about what

58:12

you, I mean,

58:15

how long is the career at 60 of wearing,

58:17

you know, pink bras

58:20

and, you know, shorts and an oversized blazer

58:22

to the Lakers game? Like, is she gonna be doing that when she's 65?

58:25

I don't think so.

58:26

Well, you could

58:28

ask Madonna.

58:30

Let's see how that's going, right? Let's talk about that.

58:35

Well, that's, you

58:37

know, she just came. That's

58:39

a perfect example of it.

58:42

How's that going for Madonna? Well,

58:44

she just came out with a statement that we're all

58:46

misogynistic and, you know,

58:49

bow down bitches that, you know, who

58:51

are we to judge a woman's face And

58:54

we're still trying to put women in boxes.

58:58

And you know what? She's right. That's true.

59:01

And we shouldn't. And I'm a woman. And,

59:03

but I guess that when you

59:06

have the talent of Madonna

59:08

and Rana has a gift of gab,

59:10

she's good at that. I

59:13

think she should have been on the

59:15

Kelly in Seacrest.

59:20

When Kelly goes or come

59:22

up, I don't know, do something like that.

59:24

She's very good at that. The talk,

59:26

I mean, they're always changing people out from the talk. They

59:28

had Sharon Osborn. I mean, I know that was kind

59:31

of, Renna could do something like

59:33

that.

59:33

Yeah, but if she burns

59:36

every bridge and she just gets slumped

59:38

into just so much of like the

59:41

attention seeking, you know, starved

59:43

LA woman that

59:47

looks so desperado, it's not

59:50

attractive. for the woman

59:52

in Oklahoma or Iowa,

59:55

she's not

59:57

tuning into her. No,

59:59

and I mean think of like the talk,

1:00:01

I mean, that would be you'd be lucky that's a

1:00:03

you could do that for the next 15 years of your

1:00:06

life. It doesn't really you

1:00:08

don't have to fight, you know, you have an opinion.

1:00:10

But I mean, that would be a cush job

1:00:12

to go there every day and just sit around.

1:00:14

And I mean, yeah, you get criticized

1:00:17

all day. But she's already

1:00:18

used to that, you know, yeah, that

1:00:21

I could see, you know, if she if she

1:00:23

really had an opinion about something, you

1:00:25

know,

1:00:27

trying to blow people up and

1:00:29

the way she blew up Denise Richards

1:00:32

and potentially could have ruined her marriage.

1:00:34

Nobody

1:00:35

likes that. That's the thing.

1:00:38

Whether you think that Denise was wrong and

1:00:40

she did it, that's a whole different

1:00:42

subject. It's not Renna's

1:00:45

place to blow that up. No,

1:00:49

and that's the thing. Like her argument

1:00:51

is, I bring it all and I'm

1:00:53

honest. And then another person's argument

1:00:56

is like, this is a real friend. I

1:00:58

mean, this is ruining a marriage

1:01:00

because I don't think that Aaron

1:01:03

knew at that point that this happens

1:01:05

and basically you're

1:01:06

outing your best friend or your good friend

1:01:09

for cheating. Well, that's the perfect

1:01:11

example. And that's law, that's law. Yeah, but that's

1:01:13

the perfect example of how I always say

1:01:15

to you, there really are no real friendships.

1:01:18

I mean, if that was a friendship, a real friendship

1:01:21

and that's the way they do each other, yeah. Now

1:01:23

you guys don't think we're done with our chat with Catherine,

1:01:26

do you? You know, when Catherine's here, it's epic.

1:01:28

We have to wait for Catherine

1:01:29

while she's traveling India, but when she's

1:01:31

here, we can go for hours. So

1:01:34

now we talk about, we're about to get into during

1:01:36

part two. Are we gonna miss Rina? I

1:01:39

know, I

1:01:39

know, everyone's screaming. Absolutely not,

1:01:42

I get it. But really, are we gonna miss

1:01:44

her? Are ratings gonna suffer? Everyone

1:01:46

is coming back except for Sharae

1:01:49

and Diana. We're not sure about Cathy.

1:01:52

Is Cathy likely to come back? Is Brandy

1:01:54

now a definite no because of girls trip?

1:01:57

What is it gonna be like? What is Dorit gonna

1:01:59

be like with air? Erica now, how are Kathy

1:02:01

and Erica gonna be? We really just start focusing

1:02:04

on next season. And then

1:02:06

somehow start talking about New Jersey and Potomac,

1:02:09

Catherine, Catherine, I said, listen, why

1:02:11

don't you watch some of the others? I told

1:02:13

her she needs to watch Miami and now New Jersey.

1:02:16

She's watching New Jersey. We talk about Potomac,

1:02:18

Salt

1:02:18

Lake, get into it all. So this

1:02:20

was just part one, part two of

1:02:22

our sit down with I know all of your

1:02:24

guys' favorite, Ms. Catherine Edwards is

1:02:27

coming soon.

1:02:29

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