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cold. This season, the host, Dave Cauley,

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investigates the disappearance of Sherry Warren,

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a young mother looking for a fresh start.

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Recently divorced, she had moved back in with her

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family, found a great new job, and even a new

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boyfriend. Her life was turning around

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and she was happy for the first time in a long time.

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But on a crisp October evening after

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work, Sherry said goodbye to her coworkers, left

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the office and was never heard from again.

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All eyes quickly turned toward her ex husband. He

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had a history of violence and had previously lured

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another woman into the woods and beat her with a tire

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iron. There was also another man that

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peaked the interest of investigators, Sherry's

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new boyfriend, a former reserve police

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officer who also had a dark history of sexual

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violence. The two men closest

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to Sherry swore they loved her and promised to

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protect her, but did one of them murder her?

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Rain drizzled over the canyon of the south

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fork of the Ogden River. It Hatter

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on the canvas top of Heidi Paznine's jeep.

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As she drove up Utah State Highway thirty

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nine on the morning of Friday, June fourth,

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nineteen seventy one. She

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was on her way to meet the strange man who

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for weeks been calling her demanding they

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go on a date. I can't see

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it, but I'm doing air quotes. She

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turned right off the highway at the entrance to

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the Meadows Campground, crossed

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a short bridge over the river, barely

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more than creek and

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stopped next to a camper trailer on the

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far side. A pair of sheriff's deputies

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dressed as fishermen stepped out to greet her.

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and I said, what should I do? And

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he said, well, you just pull

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across the street and

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then leave the Jeep parked Thanks

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to sideways. You know what

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I mean? As Heidi's describing this to

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me decades later, she's using her hands

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to show the positions of her jeep in the trailer

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how the deputies told her to park next to

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them, but to reverse out after the collar

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arrived and passed by her position to

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block him from getting back across the bridge

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to the road. She

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was the cheese on the mousetrap.

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Listen, make sure when

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he comes up, identify make

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sure that he's

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the right person. Two

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miles down the canyon, back in the

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direction of her husband, John

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Paznine, waited at another campground

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called magpile. The sheriff

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was with him, along with the deputy Albert

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Bailey. They all watched the highway

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as the clock ticked toward the time

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for Heidi's date to arrive.

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A little after ten AM, a

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red and white half ton pickup truck past

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magpike going up the canyon toward meadows.

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John Posney saw a logo printed

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on the truck's door, and a dummy

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who was driving his dad business

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truck had said Hartman

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Plumbing. And when they drove past

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Magpie, Joseph, he immediately

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knew who it was Hartman

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Plumbing and Heating belonged to

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a man named Bill Hartman. John

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Newbill, they had golfed together at

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the Oregon Golfing Country Club, Bill

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was also a fellow member of the

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Weber Club. The caller

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had told Heidi he'd seen her at the Weber

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Club. it clicked for John.

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He recognized the man at the wheel of

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the pickup as Bill Hartman's oldest

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son, Carrie Hartman. The

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sheriff tried to radio the two undercover deputies

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who were with Heidi at Meadows to let them know

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the collar would soon reach them. But

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the radio didn't work in the

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narrow canyon. Heidi

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had no idea who the young man

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in the pickup truck was when he turned

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off the highway. drove across

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the bridge and stopped next

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to her Jeep.

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No. Because I never paid any attention

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to him before. I didn't notice him before.

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The young man rolled down his window.

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Heidi saw he had brown hair, green

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eyes, and appeared clean-cut like

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a cop or military man. kind

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of forgettable.

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He said, hi. I can't remember exactly.

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And and

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then I said, why would you pick on an old

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lady like me? And then he made some remark

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that I was six year, pretty year,

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something, you know. You're not an old lady

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at this point though.

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No. Gosh. No. But

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I was way older than he was. I

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already had kids, you know,

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teenagers. So, yeah,

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I was an old lady. Carrie

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Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's

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thirty six. and he kept looking at

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that trailer and was getting a little nervous.

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And he said, I'm

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gonna just pull up there. Why don't you follow

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me up there? By up there,

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Keri meant farther into the campground behind

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a line of trees out of sight of the road.

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He drove past her up around a bend.

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Heidi put her jeep in reverse pulled out and

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blocked the narrow road just as the

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deputies had instructed. She then

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leapt from the jeep and rushed into the

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safety of their trailer. the

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deputies told her to stay put,

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then went to stand next to the Jeep.

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Heidi poured herself a cup of coffee

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with shaking hands. she

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listened for the sound of the pickup. We

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had returned after a few minutes. Heidi

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peeked out the window as the deputies pulled

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carry out of the truck and placed him under

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arrest. They frisked

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him, finding a small knife in his pocket. Then

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they tried to call their backup down at the Mag

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Pi campground, only to discover

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their radios didn't work in the canyon either.

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So the deputies piled into Carrie's

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truck and drove it and him

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down the canyon to meet with the sheriff. I

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stayed a while because I was

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all nervous,

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I guess, whatever you I'd

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had my coffee and then I got Najib and I

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drove down and they were already

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gone. So

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Only later did Heidi learn from her husband

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John what had happened when Carrie had arrived

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in handcuffs at Magpie? John,

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she told me, had turned to the Sheriff,

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he says, boy, I sure like to smack

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him in the mouth. And he says,

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well, we looked the other way. So

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they they had him already out.

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and drive touched

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him. And he he was embarrassed.

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He looked down, and he says, I wish he had

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a gun and shoot me. Really?

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Yeah. He said that. because he was

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embarrassed he was a sheep. John

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Poss needing had punched Carrie Hartman

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in the face, while the sheriff and his deputies

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looked the other way. Needless

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to say this wasn't legal.

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The deputies had been taken Carrie to the Weber

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County jail in Ogden where they'd booked him on

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suspicion of making threatening phone calls.

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A minor, misdemeanor charge

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that didn't quite match the gravity of

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the whole situation. Kerry

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provided a handwritten statement admitting to what

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had happened. I

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called the lady and said, would you meet me

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at a time and place? If not,

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some harm would come to your husband's car

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and possibly him.

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That's not Carrie's voice, but they are

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his words read by a voice actor.

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Even today, Heidi downplays

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the seriousness of what happened. Well,

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because he really hadn't done anything

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other than met me. But

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I'm here to tell you, there was something

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much more ominous behind those phone

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calls, something that makes Heidi's mouth

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go dry, and her hands fidget when she

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really stops to think about it.

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This season isn't about Heidi Posnine.

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As I said earlier, it's about the disappearance

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of Sherry Warren. but there's a

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reason we're starting with Heidi

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instead of Sherry. It's because

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Carrie Hartman, the man who tried

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to lure Heidi up that canyon,

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would years later meet, be

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friend,

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and woo Sherry Warren.

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So

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now we're going to follow Carrie's

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path to see how he and Sherry

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first came together. Hold on

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because from here, everything

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escalates.

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Our

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story begins with a phone call.

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Voice on the phone

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said I was sexy. He had made literally

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thousands of those types

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of calls. He follows the

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women gets to know him and then

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hit him then. Don't report

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nobody that I found him. Everything.

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There are a lot of missing girls, escalates.

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She was beaten.

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dabbed until the knife broke and then shot

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twice in the head.

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Sherry Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen

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eighty five. Her

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friends and families say she's not the

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type to just run away. She wouldn't

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leave her child. No one can say

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just what happened to Sherry. No

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one's faced charges for her disappearance, not

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her ex husband, Chuck Warren,

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money was a big issue. Chuck

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He told

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her if I can't have you,

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nobody's going to and Sherri's boyfriend,

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Carrie Hartman. I remember her scene. Be

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careful with him. Yeah. Two

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dispositions. Doctor Jackal, mister

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he could be the nicest guy you ever wanted

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me, but he also had that

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sinister side.

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