0:00

what would you do you were chased by ufo?

0:02

why would she was small town,

0:04

civil rights activist? destroy

0:06

the reputation? would you

0:08

be brave enough to face an alien?

0:11

test of believability of the

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barney and betty hill, abduction

0:41

where we dive into the unknown and meaningful and

0:43

tell you whether or not we find the believable

0:46

listen i'm sorry these i was caught

0:48

off guard of staring at tell his hair the

0:50

crazy idea like spoken up in the middle

0:53

when when it i take my hat off i

0:55

know i don't know i remember putting these

0:57

headphones on with his hat and now i'm looking at

0:59

his hat on an album and pretty

1:01

it he i'm a permanent

1:04

thank goodness because it was just it was too

1:06

much to the too distracting it was album

1:08

the starting it was almost as distracting

1:10

a seen a species

1:12

palmer says distressing now

1:15

you know this case i do this is the

1:17

bruises one of the big dogs as

1:19

is

1:20

have you header

1:21

there's probably in a in a handful

1:23

of famous u f o cases this is one

1:25

of them like if you count if you count

1:28

five famous u f o cases absolutely

1:30

with such a big one the roswell

1:33

the rebel on travis while those are probably

1:35

the top three unified

1:38

i think he added sorenson abduction

1:40

yeah they're just for your lights smile

1:43

at you some they're silent fights

1:45

but this is yeah thursday when i thought we thought

1:47

we deserved us or his his there

1:49

this year before we mountainous

1:52

addict we're gonna knock out

1:54

betty and barney hill or so

1:56

ages races ivan oh yes

2:02

okay so basically just a

2:04

long story there's no encounters

2:06

there's no theories this is just this

2:08

is just one long and can we decided

2:11

to give reddit a day off the thief

2:13

reddit this is your vacation will be back

2:15

next week yeah yeah ranger

2:18

really know ranker in this although

2:20

i do have a bunch of sources this

2:22

website called a unresolved and

2:24

or her them before courts history

2:27

channel outdoors dot org

2:30

and star facts dot com i like

2:32

the name of star facts outdoors dot org

2:34

makes it seem like they teach me how to fish yeah

2:37

it does seem really outdoorsy but that's okay

2:39

wikipedia the

2:41

a little bit of we could be is nothing wrong

2:44

because he discusses i was taught

2:46

that you can't use wikipedia i know

2:48

it was in it was like literally

2:50

drilled in our heads noughties with a pts

2:52

but wikipedia has some of the best articles

2:55

is really go as sure on i i i

2:57

do kind of avoid using it

2:59

sometimes i think they've tightened

3:01

things i've since we were in high school second

3:03

be that can be as many years ago now so

3:06

there's a could be so with

3:08

that was just that's just launched into this because it says

3:10

michael i target the longest stories

3:13

this was the first widely reported the interaction

3:15

with your foe and aliens

3:17

and until this point there are lots of people

3:20

they saying they saw things in the sky

3:22

but nothing like this nothing on the scale

3:24

of course because it's the sixties your foes

3:27

were bump in yeah in the fifties sixties

3:29

and seven that's right because you have roswell

3:31

you guys the wrong with and

3:33

wasn't prices seventies actually my

3:35

said fifty sixty seventy okay yeah you're right

3:38

roswell this was the thing also

3:40

elon for huge on t v which were getting into

3:42

much later asking rule of past few moments

3:44

had our seventies i believe i'm a sense

3:47

they had cars without exists

3:49

right just radios says kisses

3:52

all the tropes of an alien town or possibly because

3:54

it is one of the first cases

3:57

it does not have the beam the right there

3:59

is no be yeah i got that why and

4:01

why there's a beam okay there's

4:03

missing time as a strange lights

4:05

in the sky and this fear little

4:07

green men who do terrible things to honest

4:10

americans so according to the book

4:12

an unwritten any so free dinner on

4:14

the town though him for journal

4:16

don't let anyone and it's so you know

4:19

at , according to was so anyway according

4:25

to the book and uninterrupted story

4:27

very embody decided

4:29

they needed a break and really

4:31

get into the backstory them you know me like a relationship

4:33

break know know i mean like a break from life

4:36

hockey a break from earth yeah

4:38

well known faster they

4:40

they have a pretty stressful life they were a couple

4:43

that came together in the heart of the civil rights movement

4:46

it's important the state that

4:48

this was a random trip they've been very

4:50

for about sixteen months and they have a

4:52

quote unquote urge the go

4:54

on the train a vacation and it was spontaneous

4:57

though on the trip the couple called it a

4:59

quote delayed honeymoon as

5:01

they saw niagara falls and montreal

5:04

and this trip was so random they

5:06

had seventy dollars them

5:08

when they left it just took off them was

5:10

probably i wonder what the equivalent

5:13

of seventy dollars back then as now maybe a

5:15

couple of hundred i want to shake up one hundred bucks vs two

5:17

hundred bucks so it's not that much have you been

5:19

to the canadian side of niagara falls

5:21

i've not i've only been to the canadians

5:24

i've been to the new york side okay i

5:26

when i was when i was there i was younger and they had

5:28

a w w store and i was probably

5:30

either w w east or more often

5:33

than i was at the thought oh feel like wow

5:35

school brother a guy like matt hardy

5:37

shirt a cane shirt and shawn michaels

5:40

tank to i was very much into wrestling when

5:42

i was younger the only wrestlers i can remember

5:44

have taught my head are asked to the

5:46

grim reaper guy can remember his name oh undertaker

5:49

undertaker me for gold

5:51

dust or yeah yeah

5:53

and i'm brother a

5:56

hollywood hogan hog hogan you know john

5:58

cena though now i do yeah now

6:00

you the from the i will on the plane

6:02

the savannah i swear to god i've had stone cold

6:04

steve austin was sitting in front of me out business

6:07

or to with i heard him speak as a nurse

6:09

and him feeling really i every bar

6:11

guy with the goatee and my your business don't

6:13

grow on you , never have a beer

6:15

on his takes it and suggest you

6:18

did suggest you never talk to him because of eat if

6:20

he thought i'd in like beer he would stone

6:22

cold stunner me if a electric

6:25

good cider he's asleep that

6:27

was good good side a famous last

6:29

words so let's move on to the brief

6:31

history of the individuals themselves

6:33

bars and a wild history is kind of crazy

6:36

so barring was born in virginia in nineteen

6:38

twenty two so in the roaring twenties

6:41

and into the great depressions into the thirties

6:43

who was a hard time for anyone to censor youth

6:46

i think we can all relate a little bit right

6:48

now have a little of a little bit of barney

6:51

with also faced with racism when

6:53

he was young man barney enlisted in

6:55

the army and that was during world war two

6:57

and i said allegedly in my nose

6:59

by i have i've come across it every couple

7:02

places offer of the sound see

7:04

loss all of his t in

7:06

a gurney the accident why he

7:08

lost all of his they come

7:10

back later to the shrapnel just perfectly

7:13

knock his to the shockwave out

7:16

yeah and he actually a he were dentures

7:19

so after his time the army barney

7:21

married a woman named ruth horn and

7:24

here for while he was study at temple

7:26

university ruth

7:28

and barney had two children and

7:30

here it eventually did the divorce as

7:32

t remarried a white woman betty

7:35

and the moved to new hampshire eventually and

7:37

he becomes a postal worker that

7:40

drove pretty hard sixty miles

7:42

every night sixty sixty

7:44

miles a night the or sheath echelon

7:46

dr phil a similar for the barrier

7:49

barry's full name is nice

7:52

elizabeth and her meme meme is

7:55

burnett burnett doors betty

7:57

come from

7:58

i think comes from beth for

7:59

okay okay if i had to

8:02

guess nobody does years older than

8:04

barney she was born in nineteen nineteen

8:06

and betty was a social worker with her

8:08

masters and social sciences from

8:11

the university of new hampshire who i

8:13

actually i hit up for this case why

8:15

i hit the mark is it had this whole article

8:18

archive yeah the like who's this

8:20

one podcast the they're like there's

8:23

a small fee for check out some folders

8:25

the white house's the fee and they never go back to me

8:28

feel like if you ask how much it's too much

8:30

as yeah anyway so she

8:33

was even the supervisor for her local

8:35

child welfare depart you're getting

8:37

a masters back then his son of like

8:39

in pretty harmless specially for a

8:41

woman in the sixties anywhere easy

8:43

anymore the masters zegna release

8:46

her had set the as a fallacious yeah

8:49

still together we lived in new hampshire

8:51

in hampshire city called ports mouth there

8:53

are passionate the so rights movement have any in america

8:55

at the time being the were an interracial

8:58

couple they were heavily involved in their local

9:00

church and they are members of the

9:02

naacp barn was actually

9:04

his local representative for the the naacp

9:07

and they were well respected members of the community

9:10

thankfully for them they did live in the a more liberal

9:12

area of the country the time and hampshire was

9:15

and i think that was helpful for

9:17

them they weren't as like the relationship

9:19

was not a stigmatized yeah specify

9:22

that time yeah yeah so that's that's

9:24

little breeze history of people that's

9:26

who they are before this happens

9:28

right

9:29

then you know the people as these terrible things

9:31

happen to have yeah to care about the characters the

9:33

for the story but also but also

9:36

and census president of

9:38

they're not crackpots they're not crazy

9:40

people were like the not the

9:43

credible people yeah so

9:45

what actually happens the couple didn't door

9:47

stress like i said and this may

9:49

have been enough to give bharti an

9:51

ulcer which is

9:53

medical thing the thing a whole

9:55

new stomach you knew the stress also yeah yeah

9:58

no ulcer suck the i don't know from

10:00

experience i just know people have had authors

10:02

and an intern

10:04

this gave him and have time to take a short sabbatical

10:07

a leave of absence from his job as a pulsar

10:09

murder and during his hands absence

10:11

is when they decide to to this trip to

10:14

canada and the also have

10:16

the wiener dog with them and

10:18

his name is doubly so remember the whole

10:20

time separate a little wiener dog with them or

10:22

improper mean delhi and they

10:25

brought him on this spontaneous outing and

10:27

the to were on the way back when smulders

10:29

or vacation from canada on

10:31

the evening of september nineteenth

10:33

nineteen sixty one and the were on

10:35

their home stretch of the five hundred mile

10:38

drive then things got interesting

10:41

the to stopped at a diner in

10:43

vermont while returning home the

10:45

weapons diner around ten pm

10:48

they run track

10:49

the reached port south at about two

10:51

am the idea is

10:54

lily flight nine and they're older to

10:56

their this late thirties early forties

10:58

offer powell was poor calm down

11:01

older yeah i wonder how much of

11:03

this seventy dollars he still have ah yes

11:05

nine they spell out the diner i guess

11:07

not nothing nada between hotel

11:09

rooms and sightseeing nothing

11:11

nicer you blew it it's okay but on

11:13

this dark rural highway in new hampshire

11:16

they surged notice a strange lightens

11:19

that , on their tail following

11:21

them following wonder how into and they

11:23

were or with the idea of your

11:26

foes the obviously during that time it

11:28

is very prevalent but that doesn't necessarily

11:30

mean that everybody either body and or was like

11:32

hyper aware i like what you can only

11:34

there's no took my thought is i wonder if immediately

11:37

they were thinking your foes or if at first

11:39

is just weird or government or

11:41

i see they thought it was weird was weird think they immediately

11:44

jumped you a faux [unk] venus yeah

11:47

okay let's keep going i don't want to spoil

11:49

[unk] village the only part of the

11:51

object was nothing he thought it was

11:53

just because that anything the night ethic

11:56

satellite or a foil czar or even

11:59

you know plate

11:59

on for a long time

12:02

in betty , more

12:04

wary of the things

12:06

the while driving scenes somehow

12:09

on car and the ship the has

12:12

been no the first line of

12:14

insulin seto behind trees but

12:16

eventually it'll easily move

12:19

though betty was a little nervous and

12:21

have thought of what might even find them

12:23

the barney he was so calm enough airing

12:26

see many aircraft in the war and

12:28

usual com younger so with his

12:30

calmness and bet it's jurassic the

12:33

congress enough to pull off arrests

12:35

that the dog dudley walk around

12:38

the actors rest stop very took out

12:41

her binoculars to get a closer

12:43

look at the bright light that was on their tail

12:45

does she bring the binoculars the

12:47

see niagara falls suffixes actually that's

12:49

a good see the know how big the fossil as he

12:51

heard it was pretty vague but she was ensure

12:53

such as measured somebody standing

12:55

in front of the fall so they've been times it's

12:58

totally he was he like all in a bar reason

13:00

if you are yes sure if you want to see them whether

13:02

the made in the middle miss

13:04

right yeah made of the miss maybe if you want to see

13:07

that or something i dunno i

13:09

don't know i haven't actually piece of on yep there

13:11

it a pc are

13:13

no i think i think that's an old

13:15

athena duly from the sixties seventies of hint

13:18

that's more common back then you never know a

13:20

bird you might run into you never know what you

13:22

can read as the old you might join a pirate

13:24

crew as any need binoculars yeah

13:26

how land ho the waterfall

13:28

her so , my

13:31

word who who as

13:33

betty of vivid crowds are

13:35

killers are party party

13:38

is see everything you gotta backward

13:40

on his backward oh

13:42

think you've already so

13:45

they saw this thing as they

13:47

grow the dog and he jumped to the car they grabbed

13:49

the dog and a jump back in the car hoping

13:51

to finish the rest of the trip quickly as

13:53

the car started going down route three

13:55

the to agree that this is not a normal might

13:58

object this

14:00

became in all and out seats

14:03

while , got closer the hills also

14:05

recounted the feeling of an odd singling

14:07

drowsiness serves kimono quickly

14:10

flight was cheating the hill and got close

14:13

so close news approximately one

14:15

hundred feet over the car the

14:17

hills resign as it looks at what they

14:20

saw and recognized as you have a party

14:22

stance on the brakes as the discovered

14:24

over them and that's when he reached over betty

14:27

and produced a handgun that was hidden beneath

14:29

the seats and he jammed into his pockets

14:31

barney sold off the car for rush into

14:33

a dark field for the u of o lowers

14:36

he could feel lousy for keeping

14:39

with this object hovered in the night sky

14:41

party recounted well it

14:43

was big the jets and quo there's

14:45

also flat barney was struck with

14:47

all and hair as he stared

14:49

at this giant shit if you look

14:51

in the saucer with binoculars he's

14:54

over there are rose a windows

14:56

with lights on and in the lights he

14:58

saw humanoid shapes things

15:00

with wear uniforms as stairs

15:03

that's something he was very unsure the

15:05

want to grab his gun and a level at the craft

15:08

but he found that his hand would not let

15:10

him he also her of voices head

15:12

that told him to put down the binoculars

15:14

whether instincts from military training

15:17

or pure adrenaline barney realize

15:19

the situation he realized

15:21

they were in danger sprinted

15:23

a car and they both

15:27

lighted behind them with ease of

15:29

betty watched barney

15:31

heard more beeping from the trunk and

15:34

that's when they both blackout

15:36

so smash

15:38

you two hours later and hills wake

15:40

up in the car thirty five

15:42

miles the from indian head

15:45

new hampshire know this point the very close

15:47

to home not quite a home yet i had another

15:49

report that said the word how they woke up at home

15:51

but at a couple said they did they weren't

15:53

quite home so they fast travel home the

15:56

last two hours so the hannah like slowly

15:58

go home and they arrive the place

16:00

at about five am so really

16:03

it actually delayed them yes perhaps

16:06

italy them says had to

16:08

the three so about two hours decide

16:10

the aliens knew where they were going though they nodded

16:12

his to the best gas and they're like this is probably

16:14

financing safely say the

16:17

lady closer to the suspect that's

16:19

true imagine they they woke up and like

16:21

you know idaho i

16:23

chat with ,

16:25

friendly taking care of of the abduction

16:27

they're like damn it so he spent the

16:30

last five dollars at the diner tv

16:32

doomed oh my god okay i'll

16:34

leave that alien huber one stars

16:37

stars is the fifth one so too

16:39

easy though they had

16:41

no idea about what happened the night before they

16:44

woke up in the car no idea what happened

16:46

they get home of the exam themselves and

16:49

betty found that her dress was torn

16:52

and using to the future it's it's i'm torn

16:54

down the middle n betty lost

16:56

her blue earrings barney's binoculars

16:58

strapless rips his shoes for

17:00

scuffed of is really important on

17:03

top the of the toes

17:05

prophesies at the bottom on top

17:08

and his lower half of his whole

17:10

body

17:10

was sore

17:12

whoa now have enough

17:16

they are watches were stuff as well

17:18

for watches broken at the same time

17:21

the agency would have i got i wonder for this

17:23

stuff the same i would assume so but

17:25

as a sooner so both

17:27

didn't assume something terrible happened but still

17:29

have no idea what and they

17:32

took a shower and over the next unites they

17:35

start having horrific nightmares in

17:37

party was quoting as saying to a friend

17:40

his silly was quote one

17:42

of a person who saw something who

17:44

doesn't want to remember un quote

17:46

where he said that about himself yeah after

17:49

the to showered and clean up after selling they they

17:51

were quote dirty they taught

17:53

own happened to them they drop some

17:55

pictures about what the

17:57

sorrell remembers

17:58

and the often notice

17:59

the car was a strange

18:02

mark on top the trunk

18:04

that had not been there before

18:05

the get tagged

18:07

the next day they called

18:09

betty sister janet enchanted put

18:12

them in contact with the national investigation

18:15

committee on arrow phenomenon which

18:17

is like oh she's

18:19

happen to have the digits ah our

18:22

the pumps and they also

18:24

contacted the air force and betty

18:26

who was actually really worried about radiation betty

18:28

emery were very worrisome poisoning worrisome

18:30

the left other stuff from the night of the

18:32

incident the left it out on the front porch

18:35

for a couple days to like their it out i guess

18:37

which i dunno if that's how radiation poisoning

18:39

works the out on time ago it's

18:41

interesting to the surmising pascagoula we're

18:44

like be showered remember what his name

18:46

poured like bleach all over him

18:48

yeah not charlie the other guy who

18:51

ever that the it's

18:53

probably this is such a a terrible feeling

18:55

of like violation and just

18:57

not knowing saddam i wonder

19:00

if they actually remember or

19:02

i wonder if they're treating their dreams as memory

19:05

i think see com thought

19:08

like like bits and pieces like

19:10

the connor like like the heavily

19:12

drink and like it's like like

19:14

out like you member parts of it yeah

19:17

this wonder when they got back it's it seemed

19:19

like didn't a remember

19:21

what happened and then the went

19:23

to sleep had dreams and

19:26

i think it it would make sense the

19:29

context of this story that the dreams are

19:31

the repressed memory coming out i

19:33

wonder if they're treating it like that i think we're going

19:36

to see some the in a little while that's going to you

19:38

you think see i know in

19:40

a little bit we're going to see a sequence

19:42

of events that absolutely supports

19:45

what you're saying okay okay and

19:47

is also important to note that betty

19:49

said her twin dress there's also

19:51

come some kind of pink powder on it

19:53

i have no idea that can be maybe some kind of decontamination

19:57

mm i dunno soap

19:59

so

19:59

the

19:59

your paul

20:01

w henderson from the airforce

20:03

hope the official statement from the hills

20:06

during the conversation henderson told the hill

20:09

that you fourteen approximately am

20:11

radar was picked up it he's airbase

20:14

this this is not

20:16

been confirmed by military it

20:19

said that the hills were told this by him

20:21

it

20:23

this was

20:24

after a few days of working on the report henderson

20:27

came to the conclusion or was told to come

20:29

to the conclusion that the couple had

20:31

this identified the planet jupiter

20:34

a , that oh wow

20:38

wow we've seen venus with thing

20:40

jupiter yeah wow this

20:42

is jupiter apparently like jupiter would

20:44

almost be believable as they are like

20:46

falling star riley meteor

20:49

com it but they're like planet

20:52

how

20:54

my says it's such that's

20:57

really they're going to say jupiter jupiter

20:59

is x crazy now okay

21:01

let's say there's to discussions one

21:03

with a song and then to which point

21:06

they saw how long do you think it took them decide

21:08

to pick a planet and then you think there is i

21:10

go of voting system

21:12

they are all those in favor of

21:14

mars all those in favor

21:16

of saturn

21:18

one person wrote in neptune i

21:20

do think they put in jupiter because jupiter was supposed

21:23

the out that night as well okay well

21:25

okay that makes at least they are putting a little thought

21:27

into it there is some thought that not

21:30

a lot but there is some sort they're

21:32

like pluto because it'll always be a plan

21:34

and i think he was told right that and i think

21:37

i'm not surprised interesting theory had

21:39

but i think he believed them and

21:41

i think he was told to put this and it's

21:43

funny because somebody claiming

21:46

that that he was jupiter

21:47

makes them more crazy than an alien

21:49

him a yeah oh yeah for sure

21:52

i don't want to be crazy and say it's an alien so

21:54

just say it's jupiter yeah it is

21:56

it's is like it's first episode ness

21:59

yeah and that whenever you know it's an

22:01

assault but they said it was

22:03

on venus rain as yeah for easy

22:08

next section is we

22:10

all that therapy after dealing with

22:12

the trauma of something they can only person

22:14

remember for years betty was

22:17

suffering from terrible dreams m party

22:19

he suffered from anxiety

22:21

that he had a stretch of five days

22:23

shortly after the event happened where

22:25

she dreamed about her

22:27

and party and about how they were stopped

22:30

and how it began and it went like this basically

22:32

over this from societies see

22:35

had dreams that the were

22:38

taken by to sever groups individually

22:40

they are taken to the craft and the nearby woods then

22:43

her dreams are pitted about things that happen

22:45

to them on the ship so those were buddies dreams

22:48

and lead into the next part

22:50

because like us to they taught in my cat hi

22:53

michael web the president of nature

22:55

the and the people to j allen

22:57

hynek the side to do this

23:00

interview with the hills about what they remembered

23:02

at from the her abduction to they had

23:04

like the have a slight memories or merrick some

23:06

things not of his together but

23:09

they they talked to web about it and

23:11

they explained web about what they they claim

23:13

they were chase and they were taken and they were

23:15

sooner tortured and barney's friend

23:17

major james mcdonald that

23:19

the credibility of the couple another good people

23:22

to church people day part of the naacp

23:24

they're they're strong ties with unity they

23:26

have no reason to do this

23:28

the real thing again right exactly

23:31

the barney who was sober for many

23:33

years after this event of his interview

23:35

he started to drink then he

23:38

became

23:39

the dramas is it anxiety

23:41

then he also developed a very

23:43

small ring of words

23:46

on top of his genital area ceiling

23:48

above

23:49

there is little been

23:51

and i'm barney's

23:53

also at this point has also gone lot worse

23:56

surface interview and barney seem claps

23:58

mentally and physically

23:59

when therapy and hypnotherapy thirty

24:02

a tossed around the couple they agreed

24:04

and assorted see a psychiatrist name benjamin

24:06

soon so this is what happened

24:08

with benjamin simon the months

24:10

of weekly sessions the to piece

24:13

together what actually happened to them

24:15

so i going to hypnotherapy and

24:17

just like betty stream they saw

24:19

something land on the car so

24:22

betty had a dream where something landed on

24:24

the car as a small week little

24:26

shit remember the marks

24:28

on the car that weren't there before yes

24:30

sir talks of march in the car that weren't able for

24:32

and this explains

24:34

this is separate from the actual mothership

24:38

are the main your so i would imagine so

24:40

yeah because he was often the field

24:43

in this theme atlanta car put

24:45

them in this like trance like state

24:47

and the saucer landed they saw the saucer

24:49

land how they hurt or veiled they

24:52

heard beeping sounds behind them yes

24:54

that's true was the were or the marks

24:56

on the hood the car the back then i shrunk to

24:58

the car that makes so that's where they heard the beeping

25:01

and then that was last thing they did or her before

25:03

they blacked out

25:04

short gray black

25:06

face beings

25:08

carried slashed drag the hills out

25:10

of their car up a ramp into the ship

25:12

so there's no beams they're literally being taken

25:14

from their car i like the cari slash

25:17

drag yeah and explains

25:19

the shoe prints the the the shoe scuffs

25:21

the rest of the it's on top of his shoe yeah

25:24

that halloween can do that is if your toes

25:26

been dragged across the grass or the concrete

25:28

i'm uh-huh otherwise it's like

25:30

he was doing a moonwalk is he doing moonwalk

25:33

know so at this point in the ship

25:35

barney and betty were separated they

25:37

went to different large curb

25:40

exam rooms and

25:42

they were stripped and put on to meddle tables

25:44

they took hair nail and skin samples

25:47

and they touch them with needles

25:50

that were set to wires and skyn their whole

25:52

bodies heads legs arms

25:54

spines betty recounted a

25:56

huge the law that bags and not

25:58

stick inside of her

26:00

they said it wouldn't hurt as inserted

26:02

into her belly button saying it was just

26:05

a pregnancy test this said a word

26:07

in heard da da da months

26:09

nc screen done pain and

26:12

she said the cope leader

26:15

according to betty came over and

26:17

with a hand motions to her face

26:19

made the pain go away

26:20

i like down on

26:23

the table my

27:04

israel

27:41

and leaders the one that oversaw

27:43

this whole thing barney also

27:45

described them as having last gray

27:47

uniforms kind of like nazis he said

27:50

they will fight nazis to make sense he was in

27:52

the war barney had a

27:54

really terrible strength of this whole thing

27:56

then he he was stricken

27:59

with

27:59

the eyes he said the eyes

28:02

of the owns really scared him he said quote oh

28:04

those eyes they're in my brain

28:07

and quote i think this has something to do with the

28:09

psyche communication control or

28:11

control the he also

28:13

said quote i was told to close my

28:15

eyes because i saw two eyes coming close

28:17

to mine and saw the i haven't pushed

28:19

into my eyes

28:21

good

28:34

they they

28:36

keep , as kate

28:39

mckinnon stay there and

28:41

just keep look at us

28:43

keep located too quick to harry

28:45

to i got a point binoculars way

28:47

for my eyes eyes

28:50

if i thought i'll just keep their keep flicks

28:53

very turbulent all about he

28:55

didn't say it to felt he said

28:57

it he know the

29:00

noise of tear down the

29:03

beta the say to me

29:06

my head that

29:08

are full of a dot little i

29:10

got to reddit thread or

29:13

i thought oh

29:21

my god given tires got

29:23

a good way

29:28

i don't like things messing with my like

29:31

needles love bother me stuff

29:34

the know it's like the frontal lobe are going to the island

29:36

that stuff is i nodded

29:38

he described the eyes the that's

29:41

about as much as he described i wonder if they were

29:43

all black like the traditional crazy

29:45

you think about or if they're like cat eyes

29:47

related eyes a that agency with the executive

29:50

look like i wonder what they are

29:52

with of way obviously terrifying

29:55

the grades were also strangely sassy

29:57

with barney's t because they were

29:59

danger i grenade to the

30:01

face betty did explain to them

30:03

that his teeth were fake the barney

30:05

said they also put a

30:07

how point device over his journals

30:10

and it's you had been certain into

30:12

his anus then quickly removed

30:14

who explained to them that he had dentures

30:17

so betty did to the alien yeah

30:19

better yet real chatty with them in the secular

30:22

like be both whatever this

30:24

issue that our our our i've been trying

30:26

to town to get dental implants but

30:28

he doesn't want to spend the money you know

30:30

you know how guys in like girl i

30:32

know yeah but i think that

30:34

sea run is is a cover on his journals

30:36

and oh yeah cause the words yes

30:38

i was worried on a maintenance right well

30:41

in honor of a makes sense but if that's your

30:43

thing they come the contact with it then it is

30:45

yeah ellie there's there's a dot to

30:47

connect year of it and wash your properly

30:49

from their last use do so

30:52

i think parties examination was more of

30:54

an attack at least mentally then

30:56

it was for betty because bang was

30:58

really control them you bleed through fear

31:00

where

31:01

betty paid examination was

31:04

obviously it was painful

31:06

that she was more comforted through her experience

31:09

then eventually led to her as

31:11

she talking to the leader after so

31:13

after her experience he since he talks as

31:15

leader sheath she ask them where they're from

31:18

according to betty the leader said quo

31:21

if you don't know where you are there wouldn't

31:23

be any point in telling you where i am

31:26

the

31:27

but he did show her a map

31:29

and under hypnosis betty drew this

31:32

storm out that she saw from leader

31:34

in her map they showed the to

31:36

particular sources some from

31:39

the plant point of view zero

31:41

six or was not discover yeah that's pretty

31:43

amazing yeah it is i'm

31:45

going to quotes are facts here seats

31:47

to the lord of the rings method

31:51

though serve x says quo

31:53

in nineteen sixty eight amateur

31:55

astronomer fish use a

31:57

nineteen sixty nine

31:59

the leafy sorry

31:59

like

32:00

shut a model of a nearby sars

32:04

these are betty hills map and found

32:06

that the only star that match

32:08

the map was map ridiculous her conclusion

32:10

found their way to the editor of straws

32:13

you magazine and magazine december

32:15

nights in some before the magazine potion

32:17

article and start article debate about

32:19

the map and carl sagan carl

32:22

sagan the scene physicist

32:24

he was quoted as saying it

32:27

was

32:28

the arbitrary alignment of points

32:31

which is a pretty good burn but iraq

32:33

fakery

32:34

that is basically how

32:36

the story of betty body heal and it

32:38

ends with some getting this map that betty

32:40

drew and they can live

32:43

with this reputation for

32:45

ever have been not necessarily

32:47

credible but the first encounter

32:49

of yourselves yeah i mean this one of

32:51

the the big dogs big ones absolutely

32:54

his eyes their arm video recording

32:56

i wonder during any the the interviewing

32:59

there is not videos is audio oh

33:01

as a whole bunch audio of your show you some oh

33:03

man johnny my theory

33:06

yeah i'd so the key

33:08

point the theory is that

33:10

much of it was based on dream the

33:13

and the majority of the attacking

33:15

was done to barney yeah

33:18

i saw i think there was a leader i

33:20

think they were drugged they

33:22

think they passed out they blacked

33:25

out

33:25

this stuff happened to them by think

33:28

it was all done

33:30

i roof

33:31

his ex wife his ex wife ah

33:34

boy he was com and she was common adam

33:36

yeah no at it i wonder what are also

33:38

on the field i think it's i think

33:41

it's you know i was tossing and

33:43

around and then once you said that he

33:45

was more so attacked and they wanted

33:47

to find out if she was pregnant i'm like

33:50

sounds like ruth matter of how i

33:52

don't know you've got a whole gang of people

33:54

the tie them tie them yeah ruth

33:56

in the movies as a bandaid

33:58

sister and also her plan

33:59

attack but it would you like to go the

34:02

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34:09

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37:10

the you know like my russa my roof

37:12

theory is if i let me just process

37:14

because i think sometimes people take me a

37:16

little too serious okay it is

37:19

about sixty five percentage

37:21

only sixty five dollars an hour subject

37:23

of now it's it's a fun theory right

37:25

leg imagine imagine like the first

37:28

huge you fo experience was is

37:30

somehow slice she followed them

37:32

and then and this diner legacy somehow

37:35

drug dumb and then crazy

37:38

they passed out

37:39

she got some people to mess with them and do

37:41

weird things and they just

37:43

like the dreams of what they had

37:46

were completely fake they did they

37:48

said they didn't endure trauma which

37:51

caused weird dreams which and they ran

37:53

with as reality yeah i don't like

37:55

that's not that's not happen it's

37:57

issa it's just a theory that isn't really

37:59

a

37:59

well it's useless let's take a big

38:02

bite or the cake you think do

38:04

we believe that

38:06

do we think this happened to them i think

38:08

when it comes down to experiences like this

38:10

other than popularity

38:13

and fame and press

38:15

the coverage what do they gain now

38:17

the game here they're always going to

38:19

be

38:20

hide

38:21

you alien

38:23

that's true but do they know that this is the first one do

38:25

they know that though probably not like they had

38:27

the foresight to to know that like

38:29

in sixty years

38:31

every panel podcast would talk about

38:33

them yeah we we knew this was gonna happen sometime

38:36

i think of any but see and of itself

38:38

because i didn't live then i would assume that

38:40

there be some social repercussions

38:42

from it like give them like government

38:45

officials and and it was the police

38:47

officers are no therapists who is vouching

38:49

for them as people major in

38:51

the army yeah that's serve with barney

38:53

so

38:54

i mean there's social repercussions yeah

38:57

i don't i don't know it seems like for

39:00

me the way that i'm i'm

39:02

mentally processing this is not

39:04

so much whether or not they're line

39:06

i think it's more so what happened to them

39:09

if it could have been

39:10

it was alien ago they could of course

39:13

it was something that

39:15

current naked of mistaken as a

39:17

linux a that's my biggest question to like

39:19

it's it's own aliens right what

39:21

do the scenes kite other a series

39:24

as what it could have legitimately been i'm not buying

39:26

obviously not by jupiter the biggest theory

39:28

i've seen about what actually it is

39:30

is that that are making it up

39:32

which doesn't seem right to me

39:34

no i did seen article said

39:36

regardless of what it was something happened about

39:38

maybe maybe

39:41

the do this

39:42

maybe they did catch more slack

39:44

more slacks really did catch more sit

39:47

for being in in her interracial couple

39:50

they got beat up

39:51

yeah that's the don't wanna talk

39:53

about it so instead of

39:55

telling people that they got like attacked

39:58

for being interracial couple

40:00

the i lean a few something

40:03

more extraordinary so then what

40:05

if they were drugged because of that so what if i

40:07

mean i would like to the roof thing was an extreme

40:09

but what if there was some type of drug that was

40:11

the variable could have been

40:13

occasionally else the or something for

40:15

like what if yeah somebody that

40:17

or as they were just like what is the car

40:19

follow them and just smashed into them

40:22

like while now a kind of to the car wasn't

40:24

damaged and something landed on the car

40:26

yes so i don't know what that could have been

40:29

there are little details like that like are lots

40:31

of strange for me now that

40:33

the or hit the scuffs you the mean he could have been dragged

40:35

by anyone that doesn't have minnelli so the scuffs

40:37

use whatever but the marking on the car

40:40

and her map and whatever credibility

40:42

want to give her map i don't know if they could

40:45

have legitimately been have sort

40:47

of approval rate so he approves the

40:49

said it's said car that sorts of the

40:51

think powder on the dresser wasn't there that the rift

40:53

dress other there words

40:56

yeah i was is a physical thing

40:58

the markings on the car

41:00

i think there was some radiation i didn't see it

41:02

on our own monroe those little bit yeah

41:05

not a dangerous man said some oh

41:07

also i didn't write this down by the

41:09

article mentioned that the

41:12

betty in and bar you brought a compass

41:14

up to those markings on the car and

41:16

the compass went haywire oh so they're

41:18

magnetized and yeah

41:21

i don't i don't want to

41:23

really entertain the idea that they're lying

41:25

cause what son is that

41:27

and it seems like there's nothing really to

41:29

gain

41:30

if it was to cover a

41:32

attack due to being interracial the measures that

41:35

sad that's tragic yeah and

41:37

that's that's my biggest guess

41:39

though if if you'd asked me what it was

41:42

besides an alien i would guess that

41:44

the be repression or do you think it

41:46

was it was your fresh repression or

41:49

absolutely they don't wanna think about it either

41:51

does their brains protecting them from thinking

41:53

about it yeah

41:55

the could that could be very dramatic thankfully

41:58

they didn't get lynched

41:59

the i

42:00

it could very well be something of that source

42:03

i know this is a more liberal area

42:05

the thing happen everywhere

42:07

yeah yeah that's true

42:09

there is i mean for the unusual side

42:11

of things like the magnetism the radiation

42:13

the markings like the where

42:16

would they like even the dreams and

42:18

things like that they they were consistent

42:20

talking about that

42:22

i don't know

42:23

unless unless you're really was press

42:25

coverage and fame i don't see reason to lie

42:28

the and i mean

42:30

even if you're lying to you want like i feel like when

42:32

you're making up lies

42:33

they are i like i like the details

42:36

betty but what if what if i don't

42:38

get like a something i'm

42:40

oh boy yeah and i don't have general

42:42

what can we do like they cut my arm like

42:45

very like no no dabble around

42:47

and you're going to commit mother

42:49

although they also

42:51

leaving them fear them a rose racial because buried

42:53

in guess is that yeah you

42:55

know

42:56

the you

42:58

no now

42:59

what also i think

43:00

there's some israel details about

43:02

this yeah that's i think

43:04

does point toward alien also

43:07

i wonder if and in this isn't

43:09

like i'm not translate deathly are victims

43:11

in this scenario so not trying to really

43:13

tell them what they should have done but if it

43:15

was like an attack i wonder

43:17

if they would have brought it attention to it because

43:19

they were so involved in in that this

43:22

have a right they were involved in that weren't that yeah yeah

43:24

i wonder if they would have i don't want to say you said

43:26

for their platform by wonder if they would have

43:28

or one i wonder if it would have me this week

43:31

or they would a sodomy them see it wouldn't have been

43:34

a could have been adena i'm just going

43:36

off away pamina a possibly

43:38

true path and by it so my

43:40

other muslim weren't one more

43:43

the

43:43

the flavor

43:45

oh me oh yeah scored amelia

43:48

outer limits and tried zone both

43:50

premiered alien base episodes

43:53

that year

43:54

before ah the moon

43:56

dog were going to be movie stars so

43:59

maybe some in

43:59

well maybe it's some some

44:02

of the high the high maybe they saw something as

44:04

gain popularity

44:05

i don't think so personally i think this

44:07

is well kind attack

44:10

it has

44:11

now it be like you could argue that it

44:13

established the criteria

44:16

of a traditional abduction but

44:18

the same time

44:19

so many

44:20

as far as a credible abduction could be considered

44:23

credible pleasure say they are so

44:25

many credible abductions after this have continued

44:28

with a lot of the same theme all those shows

44:30

follow yeah so it's not like

44:32

they said the standard a bunch of fakers

44:34

copied it after and how many of those of

44:36

federal me feel it's a for them right yeah

44:39

so late to the people that went fishing

44:41

pass your does enormous case

44:43

it was ten years later some maybe

44:46

maybe not i don't

44:47

right but i but so much

44:49

of what is part of the alien abduction

44:51

lore started here and has continued

44:54

in there is now like it's

44:56

the story that's difficult to believe

44:59

without any other odd things about it

45:01

you know me to sell your couple randomly went out

45:03

came back toward the sheriff or however

45:05

i was abducted psych loss of time

45:08

loss of location bodily harm

45:11

weird phenomenon with the body radiation

45:14

marks on the car it it's

45:16

there's definitely factors that

45:18

that would show that it was an alien abduction

45:21

or something supernatural happens

45:23

yeah for extraterrestrial can

45:25

we take a moment i was your the pitchers in the audio

45:28

clips yes we'll be right back

45:31

though

45:32

we just heard and saw the pictures

45:34

of other things will like with

45:36

a ship a plague and betty's map

45:39

and all the audio stuff

45:42

the you think it aliens are terrifying

45:45

which in this stuff will be posted on social media

45:47

as well yeah aliens are obsolete

45:49

terrifying zed or to you i map

45:51

is remarkably close one is

45:54

apparently really out there in

45:56

what have a really strikes me as the audio is a

45:58

lesser actresses and actors

45:59

yeah them in another non plural or

46:02

not it was

46:03

i mean it's dramatic like it is

46:06

yeah you liked it sounds dramatic

46:08

doesn't sound fake doesn't sound or hurst

46:11

it also just really pushing the place like

46:13

imagine

46:14

the blackout you wake up you you are somewhere

46:16

completely unknown through these beings

46:19

they've never seen before they're actually terrifying

46:21

you don't know if they're going to hurt you if they're gonna kill

46:24

you what they're doing to you what kind of

46:26

painful sensations and i feel like

46:28

it is

46:29

terrifying even like it the very

46:32

basic level it is absolutely terrifying

46:35

the don't know what it's gonna happen

46:37

it is just not as as he we copies

46:40

his flat face mother is look as you

46:42

yeah hair will it's yeah

46:45

like you can joke about certain

46:47

things that they did and you know like

46:49

the always stay pretty light hearted but

46:52

it is in actuality just

46:54

horrific iran see of immersion

46:57

the travis weldon find the sky seen

46:59

yeah the horrifying but the but

47:02

the doesn't it doesn't sound like

47:04

a rehearse they i'm going to say this own

47:06

away and and i asked duro

47:08

are listening and it was when they were undercover hypnotic

47:11

stay and his sake is almost

47:13

like they're experiencing it again in real

47:15

time like move from a distance

47:17

like they're telling it they're not is either talking

47:19

to the aliens the are referring to

47:21

it

47:22

it seems like to read living and again

47:24

which is just and those him know saves almost

47:26

back up what i said right barney's

47:29

was so intense yes

47:31

berries was also in hers was like traumatic

47:34

and scared where his was

47:36

like i'm being attacked yes yes

47:39

now you brought up a good point during that about where

47:41

to place yeah i

47:43

was wondering you think there's a chance

47:46

that they didn't take off the did they stayed

47:48

in the forest that album or

47:50

one hundred percent on is that is something i did not

47:52

consider and based on what the leader

47:54

said about where they are and harassing

47:56

where they are

47:57

i think it made me

48:00

initially think that they were up in space by

48:02

the same time he was very vague here

48:04

yoda about him in so i think

48:07

maybe they were he's a young gas prices

48:09

i think they landed and there's a reason see off

48:11

again it would just draw attention to themselves yeah

48:14

unless yeah yes that have bills

48:16

related exactly where the ruff mirage

48:18

was yet i mean that's

48:21

mean good point

48:22

who knows

48:23

they were able to at least like disguise themselves

48:25

it and lights off or something my

48:28

initial instinct was that they did take off but

48:30

i think this as was that into anaesthesia prayer

48:32

for that's the been

48:33

yeah a been taking you yeah they

48:35

greatest carry these people and dragged him out through

48:38

and as pretty you a pre pre mafia them

48:40

actually so that's betty where

48:42

you know are useful to i'll do mine first

48:44

is are you think that years and one impose

48:47

i'm gonna go audio blue the

48:49

i'm i'm right there with you this is this is

48:52

this this this this story yeah

48:54

and there's a reason it hits old tropes it hits

48:56

all those things that you see an alien

48:58

counters that just makes sense that it

49:00

is something else i feel like

49:03

if you take lying outlay less as pretend

49:05

lying is not on the table it

49:08

seems like they're significantly more evidence

49:10

that a was alien than it was just another

49:13

random attack by people a and the got drug

49:15

deaths of later it's a theory the

49:18

way more of the evidence that were given

49:21

that's found online obviously lends itself

49:23

to more of an alien abduction

49:26

sorry more strange things

49:29

that scene out her worldly

49:33

so that is are episode

49:35

on the long awaited there

49:37

you body hill abduction we literally had

49:39

to do three recordings not the whole

49:42

and with this is in our third time doing this both

49:44

had to stop you know like export

49:46

stop export is a random things to the computer

49:48

so i have no idea how long the services gonna be

49:51

but it feels good it feels like a good it's

49:53

like as a and it's exciting to take them

49:55

off him as a when people see this are going to know

49:58

and ya like hearing stories yours but

50:01

it was issues such a big one it's huge

50:03

relief we're going to have this one eventually yeah

50:05

bud selig it's almost i always

50:08

say this and i always feel this way it's like

50:10

it's like a song when you're banned and

50:12

he have a good song you play it every

50:14

night gaming rise against is gonna play

50:16

prather effigy right the

50:19

when we do an episode is dot yeah

50:22

sure this is such a fascinating

50:24

story though it had to be told

50:27

there was never a chance we weren't going to know

50:29

right eventually i need episode seven

50:31

thousand also chris

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