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What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back
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with another episode of Off the Edge with
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Cam Jordan. Now as we gear
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it for another exciting season, I wanted to
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reflect on some of the incredible guests I had the pleasure
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of sitting down with last season. But hey, don't
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worry, though, I got you new episodes
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coming your way real soon. Relax,
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I got you. But in the meantime, in between
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time, let's rewind and
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play back some of my favorite interviews from
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season one. For the grand finale
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of our best season one interviews, I got something
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special lined up for you, and not just because
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he's lined up against opposing quarterbacks. We're
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spotlighting a young star on the rise. But
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don't let his age fool you. This guy's
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wise beyond his years. I'm talking about none
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other than Giants defensive end Kavon
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Thibodeau. So
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I appreciate you for tapping in a
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young bull, young gun, a young killer off
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the Edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from
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from Oregon. You know, fifth pick
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overall and twenty twenty two second
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year ran boy.
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Went for for more than ten sacks, bro.
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I just appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean
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beyond sacks. You know, you still pushed in another
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fifty tackles. You know what to work. We
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played all this year and you know you were a menace.
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You were a minis on the line and I love them.
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I love to see the best of us, the best of
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us this time.
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Bro, you had a kid named Tommy
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Cutlet spinning that thing.
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Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know, he almost
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got it done.
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We gotta keep going, absolutely when
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you have a forty million dollars quarterback that you hope
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to you know, be playing. Look, I've been in that position where I've
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seen our starter quarterback go down
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and the next man up have to go and.
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You could win, you could win some. But so I'm
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gonna get away it.
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Get tough, Yeah, get to deep
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end.
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Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a smith and West
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and you're like, all right, we can get the job done.
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So the second year, man, what changed for you this year?
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You talk about for the first year you got actially made. The
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second year you turned it up.
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Man.
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Just the comfortability, you know you talk about being
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second year in the system, second year, you
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know, going against the best
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guys in the league, or the best guys in the world, I should
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say, you just start to feel more comfortable.
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You get a little more time to rest, you get more
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time off.
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You know, obviously coming off college,
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you got the draft and all that to prepare
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for, so you never actually get your body
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time to rest and time to you know, focus
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on football.
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You know.
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So now I.
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Had a full off season last year. I was able to come
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in.
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I was able to really focus on the game and
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how to get better and what I need to get better at. And
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then you know, I was able to and
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then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence
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learning how to rush the passer with you
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know, other guys Leonard Williams, he got traded, but you know
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that was a guy who kind of helped develop my game.
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And then Disse on the.
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Other side, and every other man that's kind of stepped
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up and been a part of the front. We've
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just been you know, they've been a vessel and they've been there
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to you know, help me grow and we've learned how to rush
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as a unit, and that's kind of that's was a testament
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to you know, the players we're making that.
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PC answer, Yeah, yeah, give Flowers to
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everybody. I can't. I got to go
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to big your big grol step.
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You clearly hooped in high school, Big
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big, big yearl step. I see what you did there, big
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lag big Lane. From the film that I've
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watched. I mean, you know, your first year, you show,
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you show some glimpses. This year it seemed like, you know, I
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don't.
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Know how to say that without having to say pause.
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You learn how to use your length more like it's
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crazy work to help out, you.
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Know, but as a deepens of m bro you learn how
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to extend your arms out, lockout and as
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well as uh, you know, your long arm
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and power sort of came into play.
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So for me, you know, I used to use long arm in college.
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But you start to play against guys that aren't
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you know that they're not going forward
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as much as guys were. You got Trent
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William, you got you know, Peney Sewel, you got guys
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across the league who are you're not You're not
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gonna let a guy's two hundred and fifty five pounds
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long army, you know. And for me as
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a rookie, I you
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know, you have that kind of in your head right, It's like
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you're going to fight Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I know what this
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guy has, so it kind of intimidates
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you and what you can do. So me kind
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of coming into the second year, I was able
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to build that confidence in the moves that I've already
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had, but you know, able to kind of believe
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in them a little more and start to, uh, you
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know, put them on display, no doubt.
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Do you have a favorit pass social move now?
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I mean I would say long arm.
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You know that's always when you got when you are a guy with length,
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obviously you know you got to keep guys at
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a distance because I'm not the strongest guy.
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I can't.
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You know, you see a lot of guys kind of just move guys out
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the way and dexter Lawrence Lenn Williams or guys
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examples, even you are an example of that.
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When you have a little more.
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Weight behind you, you can't you know, you
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can use your moves, you can throw them around. But me now being
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able to use the long arm, keep the link and work off
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of it. You know, you start to see how
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there's so many moves and it's really just the angles.
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Your angles are a lot better off the long arm
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rather than like last year I was. There
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was a lot of running around the quarterback and it was like I got pressures
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and I got you know, hits. But I had
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to kind of shorten that angle because you know,
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guys are stepping up quarterbacks.
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They get paid money, they do for a reason.
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Yeah.
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Look, I like to switch it up into in my mind,
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is its three really really
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two different angles. I think about the
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speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and
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I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna set your
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ass down, you know, And I say three at
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three angles because then like there's sometimes where you
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go into.
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A wide nine ish.
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And you you still angle
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them down. So now instead of you know, meet no matter
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what you think, it would be a speed angle, it's like a combination
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coming.
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You never yeah, you never realized how much geometry
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was in football, right and
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all the angles?
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Ale, Yeah, it's crazy.
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Hit a girl look girlfriend out
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there like so so so bring that over here,
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you know, like, oh you know how you know how to show in a stell?
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Okay, come bringing it over here. Or a wife in my
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case because you know I'm married with four kids.
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Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life. But
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now I'm not there. Yeah, but I'm a crossover soon.
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No, No, I mean a
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relative as soon as relative.
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When that mustache and beard drop and connect,
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think about when the connect, We'll
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talk about it.
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No, don't do that, don't do that. Don't enjoy
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enjoy, enjoy you know year two, enjoy
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your three, four or five six, Maybe
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introduce the idea.
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Look, I think I got to your I
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was like year four before people
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noticed when when he started talking, he started whispering,
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you know.
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Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless,
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So you know where exactly
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do you want to go with it? But I'm
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sure you watched the games this weekend, Bro, what what did you take
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away from the Conference championship games?
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Because basically we all want to be
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there?
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Oh man, obviously, Like dude, just
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first, I could you know, I feel like a lot of
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a lot of people were rooting for Lamar, and I'll just start
6:33
off with the Lamar Patrick Mahone's game.
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A lot of people are rooting for Lamar.
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Because of the flat
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that he gets right, for his style of play
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right, And I think us being players and us knowing
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how to grind, like for example, you do a swim
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move.
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Your swim move is better than any swim move I've ever seen.
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But I could promise that there are coaches or people
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that probably told you along your lines that, oh,
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the swim move is you know, that's not the move
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or you know like that work.
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You've heard that, and you've made it one hundred sacks,
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you know, in counting whatever to get
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to that point. But yeah, man, you talk about
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a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar Jackson
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and what he can do and what he brings to the game, and
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you know, all the flak that he gets and all of the scrutiny
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that he's under, uh, even though he
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is one of the you know, greatest
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athletic, you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks
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of all time I think as far as athleticism
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and.
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Ability, athleticism crazy.
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So you know, I feel like we're all
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rooted for him, you know, watching the game. Obviously
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the Baltimore has a great defense,
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but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they's just been there
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too many times. I hate to say, you've
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just been there too many times. You've done it too many times.
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King of the Hill. You got to prove them. You got to prove
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them they wrong.
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Because it's yeah, for super bowls
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now in five or six years, even
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without this one, three super bowls in five or.
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Six years, got
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Chris Jones in the middle, Chris George
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car is just living. Shout
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out to carloftas he's a boy. You know, we were in the
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same Dravet class.
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He's right right a minute,
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a man crazy.
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And then the young guys in the back end, you know, the dvs.
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You gotta step up, you gotta make players, you gotta stop it,
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and they making plays man.
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And I would say, I would say on that, you know,
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when you just talk about the game,
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it's tough when you know you
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are fighting.
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That uphill battle, you know, and they fought.
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They obviously fall to the end, but you
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know it's it's tough, man, So they're
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gonna get it, right.
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I still I still see them being a good team.
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If you give him back three plays as a Flowers
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could have been touched, doown the you know the interception.
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And left I left the house right
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when he when he caught it, and he and he did the
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he got the flag. I was leaving and I'm
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like, oh yeah, they're gonna score and I come back and I
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realized the score was the same. I'm like, yo, it was the
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touchback rule.
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What do you think about that? That touchback?
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It is what he if you fall? I
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love it, That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just
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desserts. Like, don't we're not going to reward
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you for you Like you're not going to get rewarded
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for trying to be Superman. But at
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the same time, but Flowers as young
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as he is bro like especial seasons
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he had as a rookie, Like he's gonna continue
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building on that, like hopefully he uses
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that as motivation becomes even like even more
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of a dog, which he already was.
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It happens to the best of us. That's one of the things
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that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.
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It's just you know, it happens, man,
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you know and all that look on the same team, there was Marcus
9:17
Williams, like I believe his his rookie
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year he had something similar happened like against
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you know, New Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.
9:24
But God, why did you just bring
9:26
that up exactly?
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Because that's like that's like the
9:30
level that was there, right so you
9:33
can be you know, where you could
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pivot one of two ways. You can get down to yourself and
9:37
not be a better player than you were before, or
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you become like Marcus Williams, who you
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know, ended up getting a major contract
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going crazy, had like seven picks like two
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years, two seasons ago.
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Like this, this is funny.
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It's funny how you say that, because like for me, that was my
9:50
last year, like going four and a half sacks,
9:52
Like that's obviously not what I wanted to be
9:54
or what I wanted to do. But it was like for
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me, you know, when you watch the game and you
10:00
understand football, it's like a scheme. There's
10:02
so much that goes into getting a sack. There's I
10:04
mean, it's.
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You you can win, you can win all your reps
10:07
and still not get sacked.
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Lets do not get a sack, and that's just that's the
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game we play.
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So for me, it was like at the time, it's like damn
10:14
man, Like people calling me bus people are like, oh,
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this dude is you know, blah blah blah.
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The media and your first sack was off, Like
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let's even talk about it. But if your rookie year, your first
10:23
sack was off with lamar Jack for the
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strip sack fumble really to like.
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See it the way it was game,
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Yeah, it was pretty
10:31
much it.
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It was a blessing like you like,
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that's what I'm saying.
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So there's there's flashes like as a rookie, you'd
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be like, all right, bet, this is what we can build off of. You
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can't label you can't label a rookie a bus
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like I don't think. I don't think there's there should be a
10:44
logility to do so like rooking your
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one is foundation year, Now
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show me something else.
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It's definitely, it's definitely you know, building
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grounds.
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And I would say it's just tough, you know, when you're a kid going
10:55
through like you know, nineteen twenty twenty or probably
10:57
nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two,
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your kid going through, you know, and you got
11:02
the world at your hands basically, and it's like even
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like you know, like you said, it's a flower situation, like
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this kid is just trying to make as many.
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Plays as possible.
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You know, he's never been at a stage
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bigger than this, so it's like he has to prove
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you know, his legacy in one game.
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And it's like stuff just man.
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You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the game
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just goes away.
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It goes and no doubt.
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Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys. You
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know, Hey, them old coaches. You should
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swear, man, you got to listen to the football guys.
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I believe.
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I believe, Yeah
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you can.
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I believe in a football outlying
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source, brother Christian.
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They can only be one guy.
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Yeah yeah, yeah, not the word
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we should use it the football
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energy.
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Yeah there.
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We got to respect the game. You gotta respect the old
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coaches. We dropped that joint.
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I came home one time, was like, man, the football gods,
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and my mom looked at me. I was like, yes, ma'am, yeah,
11:53
not of clear, you're right, it
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ain't that football outliers
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energy.
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I like, I like energy.
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I might use that one. But so then you go to
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you know, you checked out that game which pat
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mahone boys, just it just is what it is.
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He catches a lot of hate for his outside
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circumstances.
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People like people like did you see his dad
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smoke a cigar?
12:13
Did you see his dad and
12:16
my dad his wife
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being all happy and chipper? Can you like, I'm
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like, bro, if people around me are
12:23
having success. I'm going to be the most annoying
12:25
mug out there. I'm like, I'm Jackson
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Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty yard like dancing.
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You can come on, I'm tiktoking, I'm dancing.
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I'm super Bowl every year. Come on,
12:34
bro, listen. I went to
12:36
the I went to the I went to the Bills,
12:38
the Bills Chiefs game. Right these
12:41
first, Taylor Swift got her own thing. It's it's it's
12:44
uh, you know, it got the it got the shade on the glass.
12:46
Right then the Mahomes families
12:48
on the other side, as soon as they open their
12:51
box, snowballs just come
12:53
flying in. Like the fan the Bills
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fans are just lynching snowball and the dad,
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you know, the dad is right in front, and it's just so because
13:00
he's you know, obviously he's not a part of the Shenanigans,
13:02
a TikTok and all the fun.
13:04
He's Jason.
13:05
Is that the way is that with Jason Kelsey like jumped on the.
13:07
Other side strow
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Exactly. Yeah, it was definitely a time.
13:12
But when you when you're winning, it's nothing
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people can do other than look for other reasons
13:17
to tear you down.
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I don't like him because because I'm a winner that
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he took over from Alex Smith.
13:22
And thinking about look, I just I
13:24
just seen a tweet that's like, yo, Patrick
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Mahons is going to be the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
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Like, watch how many quarterbacks? How many
13:31
great quarterbacks don't have a ring because of Patrick
13:33
Mahons. And I was like, yo, that that's
13:35
true. It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and
13:38
you know all the rest of the guys. I was out there with Michael
13:41
Jordan's Yeah,
13:43
your thirteen without a ring.
13:45
I'm like, yo, I
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got a question for you. So that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.
14:06
I think it was a gil rid Arenas and they were talking about
14:08
would you would you rather get, you
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know, a fifty million dollar contract
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and a ring or one hundred
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million dollar contract and no ring.
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I'd have to answer it. I don't
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answer your question.
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Don't answer it because of what the media is gonna say. Don't
14:22
aspen.
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Oh, I've got no fear of media.
14:25
Look, I'm only going to ask this, does
14:27
it matter where? Because
14:30
it's gonna matter where for me because there's
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places in this world like Buffalo.
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Could not offer me enough money to get there too
14:37
cold.
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Like bro, my my only
14:40
my only prayer before I got drafted was Lord,
14:42
don't send me anywhere cold Green
14:44
Bay. They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna
14:47
make you the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million
14:49
dollars a year, and I'd like, politely thank
14:51
you for your offer.
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I'm gonna take something else. Yeah, okay,
14:54
I'm not Bro.
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I'm never going to play somewhere cold, because after
14:57
you see, we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one hundred
14:59
million dollar.
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That's still more money than I've ever wanted in my life.
15:02
I came in this game, I was like, Hey, I leave
15:05
with ten million dollars, I'm
15:07
never gonna have to work again.
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Man.
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What I was like, Yo, I was like, I
15:13
was like, if I leave with ten I never have to work
15:15
again, Mom, never have to work again.
15:17
We're good man.
15:18
I passed that up like by year
15:20
four or five, you know. So Like so
15:23
if you say fifty million dollars
15:25
in one hand, one hundred million dollars the other, no
15:28
ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a
15:30
super Bowl ring. But it's going to depend on the where. Yeah,
15:33
it's going to depend on where.
15:34
Get that.
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If you say, yo, Kim, you can.
15:36
Stay in New Orleans for the fifty or you
15:38
have to go to New
15:40
England for a hundred, I'll be.
15:42
Right here in New Orleans jailing.
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Yeah. Now if you say boys.
15:47
Right, if you say if you say fifty Kim
15:50
at Cleveland or a hunt of a buffalo,
15:53
I'm retired.
15:53
I'm gonna hit you with a drunk line.
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So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say you saw
15:57
the future.
15:58
Yeah, it's all got to be New Orleans only.
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Four years ago. Four years ago.
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Yeah, four years ago. They're like, look, we got two
16:04
million to come to come to Kansas
16:07
City, and you knew that what
16:09
the future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but
16:11
you knew they win the Super they're gonna
16:13
win the next you know, high ready Super Bowls?
16:16
What you're doing, I'm staying right here in
16:18
New Orleans.
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Can That's what I like.
16:20
That's a great asswer don't do it.
16:21
But see
16:24
you already playing the cold half of it, because I'm not playing
16:26
in the cold. I've seen that, bro,
16:28
I ain't playing.
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You played my first played my first cold game bro
16:31
at Year twelve in Cleveland. Negative
16:34
thirty and negative twenty five. It
16:36
was some dumb stuff. It was like it was like it
16:38
was like three degrees, but with the windshield it was like negative
16:41
twenty something. When I tell you, it affirmed
16:43
everything I've ever believed in. I was like, no, I don't play gold.
16:45
I played this game. I hated everybody. I
16:47
hated myself, like I'm not a good person
16:49
in the cold.
16:50
I was like, man, screw you, screw you.
16:53
I was like, no better when
16:55
you're losing in this cold, no better,
16:57
boy, man, I was saying the pain. So
17:00
so then you talk about the next game, you talk about the
17:02
Lions, and you talk about who do they just play?
17:04
Man?
17:06
Lions, Niners, And it's like you
17:08
just see like and for for them, it
17:10
was at the it was at the forty nine ers, right.
17:12
SI, Probably
17:15
it was. It was in San Francisco.
17:17
It was it was in San Francisco. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
17:19
You know, that's San Francisco, you know what I'm saying.
17:21
So North North Bay not really San
17:24
Francisco, but like North Bay.
17:25
Whatever, it ain't that bad. So but
17:28
you're talking about like that turmoil of
17:30
continuously playing. Like man, I felt those
17:32
Lions players like you going there and
17:34
it's like, man, you know you work
17:36
so hard. It's like you come up dish short.
17:40
The check ain't even worth it, check and
17:42
you can keep my check.
17:43
Bro.
17:44
I stopped watching after halftime. I left
17:46
it like it was enjoying my pizza. I
17:49
was like, I was like, all right, so this game over.
17:51
I was like playing with my kids doing some other
17:53
stuff. No, in fact, I think yeah. I
17:55
was back by then, bro, Like I was like, all right,
17:57
cool, come back. I look at look
18:00
up, it's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.
18:01
I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and some
18:03
ducks on that Niner team. We got some we got some ducks
18:05
on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, Man, I
18:07
mean, great player, great officer player. But you
18:10
know, the forty nine has got some of our guys too, so I'm
18:12
happy for him.
18:13
Scow ducks and look at the last of the pack.
18:15
Man, I don't even I don't even I don't even know how to feel about
18:18
that. Bro. In fact, beyond
18:20
the pack, like I was, I think when I left,
18:23
like that was the last year of packed ten.
18:25
Think about that. So then it went pack twelve some
18:27
I never claimed Colorado or Utah.
18:29
I was like, I
18:32
mean we beat Utah, but you tah, they
18:34
did beat that last time.
18:35
I mean calent horrible after I left,
18:37
so like Cali right, real
18:39
bad. And we used to we were scraping.
18:42
You know, y'all used to have some We used to have some battles
18:44
out out out.
18:45
In the Eugene and Eugene.
18:47
Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.
18:49
Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman
18:52
year gets y'all in Auton
18:54
back when it was like really rocking.
18:57
I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know. I know,
18:59
Colch it's not much, but.
19:00
It's not the same. It's not the same. It's
19:03
not the same. I'm trying to.
19:05
Throw when I came back. Listen, when I came
19:07
back, I got I got ejected from a game.
19:09
I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal.
19:11
It's not Yeah, we used
19:13
to pack seventy thousand.
19:14
It's like sixty eight thousand out like
19:17
people.
19:17
On the hills out there, roll you
19:19
bro, you couldn't buy them tickets.
19:21
Buzz refused to sell them to you. And I
19:23
think I see people. I think more people, more
19:25
people. Like there's a little there's a little hill right
19:27
right outside the stadium. I think more people
19:29
sit up there on that hill than.
19:31
In the stadium, no doubt.
19:32
Yeah for sure.
19:33
Oh it's bad, Like Cala.
19:36
I didn't know that was that many bootleggers.
19:37
And
19:40
it's crazy with their boot legging.
19:45
And that's crazy, like things have
19:47
changed. But I mean, you know, Oregon hasn't
19:49
organ so stayed the same. They got all that Nike
19:51
money. It was like
19:54
Uncle Phil Man, which leads me to
19:56
n I L. Though, Like what what's that even
19:58
hitting on? Like listen, you you one of the first
20:00
to really capture n I L and make
20:03
make you know everybody in the world jealous,
20:06
you know what I'm saying, Like you had n I L.
20:07
Like what did that even feel?
20:08
Like?
20:09
Knowing like you was.
20:10
Like you wasn't phenomenally like the sickest. It was
20:12
like the sickest. It was the sickest thing that could have
20:14
happened, and sick meaning great just
20:16
because you know, if you were equipped
20:19
with the infrastructure as far
20:21
as like knowledge and
20:23
people around you, I mean, it was dope.
20:25
So me. You know, I was able to make money
20:28
during the time.
20:28
But you talk about the money they're making now compared to when I was
20:30
making money, it's not even close, not
20:33
even we've.
20:33
Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next
20:35
gen, like that's.
20:36
Just you know, it's inflation. It is what it
20:38
is, and it's like and that's what I think. Like
20:40
even the guys that didn't, you know, in the league that.
20:42
Didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man,
20:45
they had like they had to walk so we could run.
20:46
Looking at it and looking at cow guys like yeah, man, you know,
20:49
like man, like compared to all the other schools, I'm
20:51
not making anything, like hey, I got this deal
20:53
and I got like ten grand,
20:55
ten grand, Hey boy,
20:57
you know what I was done with ten a test spot and
20:59
kind.
20:59
Of come on, come on.
21:01
But see, you know, the real the real problem
21:04
is that there's no there's no education infrastructure.
21:07
So now you're giving a bunch of a bunch of young
21:09
guys who.
21:11
Don't have any liabilities.
21:14
So if I don't have any liabilities, I don't have to worry
21:16
about what I use my assets on as
21:18
far as my money, you know, So It's like when
21:20
you talk about you're giving guys ten thousand,
21:22
twenty thousand, and thirty thousand. I had two cars
21:24
in college. Why did I have two cars in college?
21:27
Because I could? One was free and I
21:29
paid for one. Why would I pay for one when I got one
21:31
free? But it's just like having knowledge, having
21:33
understanding of what's important. And it's like, that's what I think
21:36
is what's missing. You know that in that
21:38
whole level or education,
21:41
you know, giving guys understanding that, like you
21:43
just hit for half a million, you got
21:45
to pay taxes on that big dog?
21:48
Who how to pay taxes on that big
21:50
dog?
21:51
And they we don't get we don't know that, we don't
21:53
know. I've never paid tax I've never had a job.
21:56
Right.
21:56
So it's like, you know when you talk about
21:58
the it's a it's a blessing, that a curse. And now
22:00
we just now that we have all of this, we got to go. You
22:02
know, we got to be proactive
22:04
about the information.
22:06
No doubt, I would say, how how is that navigating
22:08
that space? Do just like does college help out or is
22:11
it just like the wild wild West? You got to figure out so
22:13
for how to pay tax again?
22:15
Finance organ specifically we
22:18
had they created and this was a year I left.
22:20
They created something called Division Street, which
22:23
is basically what we just talked about.
22:24
It's an infrastructure for student
22:27
athletes.
22:27
To learn about an io, to learn about
22:29
business and basically give them resources
22:31
on you know, the things they need.
22:33
Let me manage course exactly.
22:35
But do your parents give you a check book? Here's a checkbook?
22:38
Do all schools do that? No?
22:41
Is it something that's regulated by the n C double A?
22:43
No?
22:43
Absolutely will it?
22:44
Will it be regulated by the nc double A when
22:46
they can put taxes on it, they
22:49
can make the peace. Yeah, when they can get
22:51
their tech.
22:51
But Nuba, you find a way to get they
22:53
cut of course.
22:55
Man.
22:55
They tried to tell us my first year that, like any deal,
22:57
you get registered in this database.
23:01
And I raised my hand and I said, so, what's gonna happen if we don't.
23:03
The lady said, they're still kind of figuring out
23:05
what the repercussions are. I said, so, I'm not gonna
23:08
tell you what I'm making. Are you stupid? I
23:10
was like, what it makes sense?
23:12
You want to tell you how much money I'm bringing in? So you got
23:15
come on.
23:16
There's a reason why you want this list, baby, and I can't
23:18
help you. Ain't
23:21
no way how I don't know
23:23
how much I can't.
23:25
I don't even know how to read a contract.
23:27
And then look and then when you talk about, you know, the
23:29
resources, Now, for me, I was the you know, a
23:31
high draft pick. So there
23:34
was already agents, we know, an agent
23:36
game. Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm getting
23:38
I'm getting knowledge. I'm not going to steer
23:40
away these relationships.
23:41
I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna get everything I can.
23:43
So when when the time came, I kind of already had a
23:45
plan on what I was gonna do. You know, I was already a big
23:47
fan of Lebron, big fan of you know, the movement
23:49
of n I L. And when it happened,
23:51
it was like I was. I was ready for it.
23:54
Luckily, the first deal I did was with Phil
23:56
Knight, and it was like an n F T at the time. So
23:58
it was a space that he didn't know and I didn't know.
24:00
But we got.
24:01
People exactly, we got people who were
24:03
uh, he had people that
24:05
kind of showed me the way, and that was kind of that first step.
24:08
And then from there it was just like plug and play.
24:11
Right when your first in nail
24:13
deal coming from a man who mastered the business
24:15
plan, and what
24:18
you're gonna take you you gonna take five hundred grand or
24:21
have a sitting down with Jay Z.
24:22
I'm gonna sit down with Phil Knight.
24:24
Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting that. I ain't
24:26
gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make something off
24:28
of.
24:32
Man. We love we love that, all
24:34
right. So what was that transition, like, like from
24:37
from college to the NFL.
24:38
Because pre in I L boys got to league
24:40
and had to figure out how to have the you know, the produciary
24:42
responsibility of the finances to set
24:45
aside and figure out your life or you sort
24:47
of figure out in college, So that sort.
24:48
Of was it was.
24:49
It was it, you know, just neither here nor
24:51
there for you when you got to league. So did
24:53
that make it easier for you the transition or because
24:55
it's just like money?
24:57
It was definitely, it was definitely easier.
24:58
I say the bad part of the only it wasn't really
25:01
bad, But I say the only hard part was that
25:03
my taste got really expensive
25:05
faster than I would have hoped.
25:07
So it wasn't that I was a
25:09
guy who's you know.
25:12
With you.
25:13
Know, so it's not like I'm a goot to go blow my money, but it's
25:15
like, yo, I might as well just eat the highest
25:18
quality food, at the highest quality restaurants,
25:20
at the highest quality you know, Like it's
25:22
just you realize, like, man, I can, so why
25:24
wouldn't I? You know, And in that part
25:27
you have to understand the time
25:29
management. You know, people don't really realize like, yeah,
25:32
you get paid fifty million, forty million, thirty million,
25:34
but you still got thirty years left to live.
25:37
So it's like it's easy to go spend one
25:39
thousand dollars a day fifteen two hundred,
25:41
two thousand, one hundred and ten thousand dollars
25:43
every two weeks. But then it's
25:45
like, you know, that's gonna run out.
25:47
Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens
25:49
beyond after I'm playing?
25:51
I'm over there.
25:51
So that was that was my idea.
25:53
That's been that's been my whole thing, where it's like, don't
25:55
keep all my eggs in one basket, continue
25:58
to you know, be open
26:00
to longevity.
26:02
Basically, no, man hey, look look
26:04
I put it like this my my rookie year,
26:06
I probably didn't spend that thing.
26:08
I paid for my car cash and was like.
26:10
This is my money and I need it now, Like I don't know how much
26:12
long I'm gonna play. But after that, my second year,
26:14
I was like, oh, I got to diversify the portfolio. I need
26:16
I need a rental property, I need this, I need this, I
26:18
need this.
26:19
Bro.
26:19
After my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just want to focus
26:21
on football.
26:23
And then I was like I like somewhere around like that fifty
26:25
or six year, I was like, all right, some moves
26:27
I've made, Like you know, the first off season, I go
26:29
to Vegas and you have a Vegas weekend the
26:32
professional way, you know what I'm saying.
26:33
Like living, living, living
26:36
or lavishly.
26:36
After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah,
26:38
I don't know how many more times I can.
26:39
Go to Vegas.
26:40
I'm not doing again. Hey look, I was thinking about
26:42
the super Bowl being in Vegas. I'm like, yeah, I got one day.
26:44
They getting six hours out of me. I'm
26:47
going I'm make sure my mama come with me.
26:49
Bro.
26:51
Literally, I be like this.
26:51
I'm like I'd be running things off, you
26:53
know, off the fam. I'm like, hey, like hey, bro,
26:56
how much you make a year and he was like, hey,
26:58
would you do this? And he was like, hey, that's crazy.
27:01
If I hear like a hype response from him. Yeah,
27:04
like I use.
27:05
Other people to ground me.
27:06
I'm like, I'm like, hey, mom, like, oh yeah, I
27:08
was thinking about you know, like my secondar in the
27:10
league.
27:10
I was like, I'm thinking about this Audi R eight. She's like, I don't
27:12
even know what. I was like, Mama's one hundred
27:14
eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,
27:17
bring me back to life. Bring me back to
27:19
life.
27:19
You know, like you gotta have some some some
27:21
sort of browning situation. Yeah,
27:25
because you can get into a locker room and you know,
27:28
keeping up with the Joneses, keeping up with the Joneses.
27:30
When you know your boy rolled in with the with the
27:33
whatever that keys by
27:35
what big big coming
27:38
in. You're like, I had the same tie
27:40
for eleven years and every year I'll be like, bro,
27:43
like I'm two models behind.
27:44
I should I should go ahead? And that at
27:48
some point where you're like why, I.
27:50
Rolle like what what iPhone
27:52
do you have? Right now?
27:53
I have no clue what iPhone I have?
27:56
Fourteen fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so
27:58
the fifteen is probably happening.
28:00
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
28:00
But like once you get it, it's just like we
28:03
we upgrade because we can. But then it's like,
28:05
you know, you get to a point where it's like, man, oh this is
28:07
the same thing.
28:08
Until until the phone starts slowing down on
28:10
me. I'm used to rocket for my
28:12
rule is like every two or three years, so like yeah,
28:15
two or three yeah, but I got a crack
28:17
in it, so like it's gonna have to.
28:20
It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years
28:22
ago, his phone had a crack in and he was taking it down to the
28:24
place on the corner getting it fixed by one.
28:27
Of the one of the places for sixty bucks.
28:29
Now he just get a whole phone up.
28:30
Ain't you done?
28:33
Changed up?
28:33
Can changed up?
28:34
You?
28:34
Boo?
28:35
Hey boom, there's some there's some things
28:37
in life you don't fight. Come on, I
28:39
feel like I feel like that one. Hey, traveling.
28:42
Traveling is that one thing for me. Like I may be
28:44
tight, I mean be a tight wad, and a lot of places
28:46
in my life we travel. I'm here to
28:48
sleep, the best, eat, the best
28:51
marshal, the best commercial I've ever seen was why
28:54
save during your travel when you
28:56
can save on your travel.
28:58
I was like, yeah, I would ever
29:00
want to be that guy that have to save during the travel.
29:03
It was a great commercial. I was a great commercial.
29:07
Was there is there any place that you've traveled so far that.
29:09
You like, dang man, I've done
29:11
kind of my first year, I did like a world tour. So I
29:14
did uh Dominican Republic first I
29:16
did, and then I went to
29:19
where I go, Jamaica. Then I went to
29:22
Africa. I went to South Africa. Then
29:24
I went to Hawaii, then I went to
29:27
Uhos.
29:29
I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.
29:31
I flew into Johannesburg and then like
29:33
we drove about five hours to a small
29:36
country probably only hold like I think a million
29:38
people.
29:39
It was called Botswana.
29:41
Though, and we drove through they
29:43
say the caves
29:46
or the mountains where the first remains
29:48
of humans were found, so literally
29:50
like civilization. Yeah,
29:52
the first people walked the earth. We kind of
29:54
drove past. So that was pretty dope.
29:56
Uh. And then this year I'm going to Spain,
30:00
going to trying to put something
30:02
together.
30:02
Nigeria.
30:03
I just did my DNA test found out I was Nigerian.
30:05
So I'm gonna try to go out there
30:07
and uh and go get some knowledge
30:09
and some you know history
30:12
Spain. Yes, San, go
30:15
to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm going to Barcelona. Then go down
30:17
to Uh.
30:18
Uh, I'm gonna go to I'm flying to Paris,
30:20
go to Barcelona, stay in Paris for a couple of days, go
30:23
to Barcelona and then uh.
30:25
There's another place called something
30:27
would end, but it's an island, Mosique
30:32
Modico.
30:34
There's a few of them. I'm gonna just simply
30:37
say add in San.
30:38
Sebastian, San Sebastian,
30:40
it's.
30:41
Right there by if you find
30:43
in the France first right, it's right there.
30:45
It's a connection area of France and
30:48
Spain on the what
30:51
the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains.
30:54
My geography is the worst. It's
30:56
it's Basque country.
30:57
But it's one of the most beautiful spots that I
30:59
think I've seen it eight Like think think
31:01
of a fire city that meets like beach
31:04
and whatever it is, it is beautiful. Seastian,
31:08
Bill Bao, San Sebastian. You gotta go to a
31:10
soccer game.
31:10
It's this.
31:12
Yeah, you gotta go check you gotta check it out. Anyways,
31:15
it's funny just to hear you talking. Like I've seen you talk
31:17
before, you know, pre draft whatever that was
31:19
going through. But it's like you talk well beyond
31:21
your years, bro, and even this year,
31:23
it seems like you've become so sort of like a vocal
31:25
leader even as a young kid. Then
31:28
I say kid, because you know, second year you got to
31:30
ten years, you.
31:32
Got thirteen two.
31:34
Hey, bro, that's that sort of happened
31:37
for me.
31:37
Bro, Like my second third year of the league, all
31:39
the old heads got sort of pushed out, went
31:41
to another team, got paid whatever it
31:43
was. I looked around and I was like, from
31:46
a rookie to event, like was my life? You know what
31:48
I'm saying, Like, eh like that. So
31:50
you know you talk about you just being like a
31:52
vocal leader early on this stage? Is it?
31:54
You know?
31:55
The is it the factors that contribute to that
31:57
is like your willingness to be that, to step into
31:59
it, because I mean you you still had up
32:01
until halfway through the season, you had Little Williams. Yeah,
32:03
you got Sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got
32:05
some old heads. But it seems like the more
32:07
you talk, the more you amped up. Came that spark for
32:10
your defense.
32:10
So you know, I.
32:11
Would say, first, you know, when it talks about
32:13
leadership is position first
32:16
based off of quarterback, running
32:18
back, middle, linebacker, safety,
32:21
guys who you know kind of are the
32:23
focal points of the defense or of the offense.
32:25
So that's kind of the initial leadership
32:28
role. And then Dexter Lawrence obviously who's the biggest guy
32:30
you know in the room, right.
32:31
It makes no you know when a guy.
32:34
But then it comes to play right, And I think
32:36
that's the big component that you
32:39
learn once you start to you
32:41
get into the league that it's all about how
32:43
much you contribute on the field and
32:46
if you're able to contribute on the field. So even
32:48
my first year, like you know, you want to lead guys,
32:50
but if you ain't making plays anybody listening,
32:53
that's the truth behind it. So then once
32:55
you know, the second year comes and now it's like, okay,
32:58
I'm more of an instrument in the defense. You
33:00
know, a couple guys leave, a couple guys get traded,
33:02
and now it's like there are voids that have to be filled.
33:04
In a team chemistry standpoint.
33:07
You know, that's when you have to make that decision
33:09
where you know are you going to be that guy.
33:11
To step in?
33:12
You know, And it's tough because people think
33:14
leadership is something that you
33:17
can choose. You know, it's not really
33:19
something you choose. It's something that your
33:21
teammates kind of kind of revere
33:23
you as you know. So for
33:26
me, I would say that it was just
33:28
learning how to be a leader. You know, you think
33:30
you know how to lead until it's time to lead, right,
33:33
and you think you have everything figured out or you think
33:35
you know what you're doing until you get
33:37
in adverse situations.
33:39
So for me man first year, you know, I think
33:41
it was just understanding the landscape, understanding where I
33:43
fit in, understand it, you know people. And
33:46
then second year it was okay, how
33:48
can I help my teammates
33:50
be their best selves?
33:52
Right?
33:53
So you know, before every game, I'm asking
33:55
Bobby, you know, my at the linebacker, I'm like, what do you need for
33:57
me.
33:57
For you to play your best? What?
33:58
What parts do you think I can support
34:01
your vision, you know, as a leader of the team and
34:03
be a support on the.
34:04
Same bobbys last night because I've never tried but
34:08
there yeah, okay,
34:10
okay, yeah, okay, okay.
34:12
Exactly that was a good and I never heard. Okay,
34:14
Okay, that's a good I like that.
34:16
I like that.
34:16
I'm gonna have to take that back to it. Yeah,
34:18
Oka. But he's he's definitely a true leader.
34:20
And I think you know, when it comes to leadership,
34:22
you have to kind of emulate certain people.
34:25
So I'm very blessed to have
34:27
a true leader, natural leader that I
34:29
can you know, emulate as far as off the field,
34:31
as far as taking care of your body, as far as watching film
34:33
and things like that to you know, continue
34:36
to be a vessel
34:38
for other teammates, younger teammates coming in
34:40
and things like that.
34:41
In fact, man, like I said, I love I love to
34:43
see the growth.
34:43
Bro.
34:44
I'm like, I'm looking forward to your your what are
34:46
you.
34:46
Looking forward to it?
34:47
And your three?
34:48
Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these
34:50
sacks.
34:50
Man.
34:50
You know, you know how that you know how that moment,
34:54
but you know how that feel to be to be in
34:56
the hunt. You know, it's it's it's
34:58
a great feeling because it's all is a new challenge. But
35:01
that's where I'm at. You know, obviously it's going in my
35:03
third year. Third years year for renegotiations.
35:06
If you're one of those guys, right if you're one
35:08
of the ones. So for me, you know, Michael
35:10
Strahan said one great thing to me. Seriously,
35:13
he said one great to me. Think to me when I got in the lead, he said,
35:15
you know, it's easy to be one
35:17
of the eleven guys on the field, but you want to be the one
35:20
out of the eleven.
35:20
And that's that that's that difference. So that's
35:23
kind of what I'm working on this year.
35:24
Shout out Mike, Come on,
35:27
Mike, Mike, friend that money.
35:31
Man, Mike straighthean definitely he's
35:34
a girl up watching that man. I was like, I want to be like
35:36
him.
35:36
And then I realized I was like, man, I'm too eighty five.
35:40
This is even so, this is even surreal because I was looking
35:42
at you like that. Now we're sitting here on the podcast, were
35:44
sitting here in the league together, and it's though,
35:46
for real, it's amazing.
35:47
I remember you were talking about it was one.
35:50
It was really you and von Miller are two guys that I've always
35:52
looked at, just on a vocal standpoint of people
35:54
who you know are going to give their tips
35:56
in pass rush. But you talk about you
35:58
know, I think you said something where you like
36:00
if you do it. If you go fast with bad
36:03
technique, you're okay. If you
36:05
go fast with good technique, you're
36:07
doing great. But if you go slow with bad
36:09
technique, you're.
36:10
Gonna be on the bench somewhere.
36:11
You said something like that, and that stuck
36:13
with me Like that, that stuck with me. That was something
36:15
that that I've taken.
36:16
And then you know, obviously there are gems that other,
36:19
you know, guys like you have been
36:21
dropping, and it's just up to the younger guys to keep
36:23
you know, using those gems and implement them
36:25
into your game.
36:26
Man, I'm trying to tell you.
36:28
Look, I learned I learned that one early
36:30
earlier, the young thing, because my rookie year I
36:32
was out there like, all right, well I got to play the run. I gotta
36:34
have this technique. But if you move slow,
36:36
even if it's the right answer.
36:38
You're wrong, don't matter, you're wrong.
36:40
But if you move fast and you'd be like you it's a
36:42
b and you missed the wrong one, you can still be in
36:44
the right spot.
36:45
And you think about a guy like you think about a guy like Max
36:47
Crosby, and you know he's a guy who right now is
36:50
the epitome of you just do it hard, do
36:52
it fast. Everything's gonna work out. He has
36:55
This is no knock to him. He has one
36:57
move.
36:58
That swipe is the most danger it's
37:00
move I've ever seen a human.
37:02
Dude, He's got to counterspin too.
37:06
His his swipe is stupid. But understand
37:09
how many guys are gonna keep getting got with the swipe.
37:12
How many guys are gonna keep getting got with the long arm,
37:14
how many guys gonna keep getting got with a swim.
37:16
Look, when you perfect your
37:18
craft, it doesn't matter about them. I said this
37:20
early, and often, an office a lineman is just office
37:22
a lineman. I'm now rushing against the quarterback
37:25
because I needn't know how fast he's releasing
37:27
the ball, because off's a lineman.
37:29
Their cattle. There's gonna be strong.
37:31
There's gonna be strong ones.
37:32
But whatever, I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby
37:35
get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I
37:37
was like, you know what, I was like something
37:39
I need to figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he
37:41
just plays hard.
37:42
Man. When you play hard and you play every snap, dude,
37:44
you reap the benefits of it.
37:46
Absolutely.
37:47
I was hoping you're gonna say, hey, I'm evolving to
37:49
a killer run stopper.
37:50
But you know what, I get it.
37:52
Look, age, that's
37:54
the no, no, no, see, don't overlook
37:56
the run. That is the difference to me between
37:59
a lot of past rushers out there. Uh
38:02
and let's say four down
38:04
football players. I told myself when I came
38:06
into Sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm not the biggest guy,
38:08
not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy, but I'm
38:11
going to be trustworthy on first down all the way to
38:13
fourth.
38:13
So when you talk about run stopping, you talk about things
38:16
like that, like that's you can't even rush the
38:18
passer unless you set in edge.
38:21
You got to I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting
38:23
for the move on my way. In fact, y'all
38:26
think I was.
38:26
I think I was damaged by then the whole high echo
38:28
Anloyd goes like, all I could do is stop the run.
38:30
Look.
38:31
Look, the
38:33
cold the coldest thing is when you see
38:35
guys like and to me, I I came out of
38:37
a system in college where it was like there was no jumping
38:39
around blocks to make a play
38:42
right, And it's like when you're in the league, though, it's
38:44
like, you know, you almost get frustrated
38:46
a little bit because it's like, yo, all these guys
38:48
are making these tackle for losses and
38:51
are jumping around blocks and I've a
38:53
gap and here you are, like but
38:56
and it's like me, you will, you
38:58
take it, you make it. And it's like you start to realize
39:00
that when you are a guy who has
39:03
the instinct and you have the trust within your coaches,
39:05
it's like, you gotta go play big and make big plays.
39:07
And you know, I
39:09
always think of a guy like TJ Watts.
39:11
TJ.
39:11
Watch go to the casino one time.
39:13
You go, you TJ Y get twenty sacks and he's
39:15
gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna jump them.
39:18
He gonna take it, he gonna he gonna play his game.
39:20
And it's amazing.
39:22
He knows his body type and he's like, look, what I'm
39:24
not here gonna do is is set the edge every
39:26
time against somebody who outweiys me by eighty
39:28
to ninety pounds. But what I can do is give
39:30
you all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up
39:32
the field. Oh and now now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath
39:35
and he also has got huge
39:38
interior d linemen like across the board.
39:41
But you know, but shoot, I appreciate
39:43
you, bro. I'm gonna wrap this up real quick.
39:44
Bro. I appreciate you tapping in with with
39:47
me on my podcast Off the Edge. Bro.
39:49
I see nothing but great things going for you.
39:51
So you know, if you had eleven sacks
39:53
this year, But I try and tell people, don't
39:55
worry about the sacks. Worry about your process, because the
39:57
sacks.
39:57
Are gonna come.
39:58
I mean, you
40:00
already built the process, so just keep on believing and keep
40:03
on striving for greatness.
40:04
Thank you, Thank you for having us. I appreciate
40:06
you, bro.
40:15
So there you have it. It's a wrap. I
40:18
just want to say a huge thank you.
40:19
To all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. But
40:21
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