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What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back

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with another episode of Off the Edge with

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Cam Jordan. Now as we gear

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it for another exciting season, I wanted to

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reflect on some of the incredible guests I had the pleasure

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of sitting down with last season. But Hey, don't

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worry though, I got you. New episodes

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coming your way real soon. Relax,

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I got you. But in the meantime, in between

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time, let's rewind and play

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back some of my favorite interviews from season

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one. To kick things off, I'm bringing

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you to your quarterback's worst nightmare.

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That's right.

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I'm bringing you my guy, Raiders defensive

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end Max Crosby. That's

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right, Mad Max in the building.

0:51

Hey, welcome Off the Edge with Cam Jordan.

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I'm sitting here as Off the Edge with

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Cam Joy because I'm a defensive end. Off the

0:59

Edge saying, if we're gonna talk about

1:01

more than just me bringing

1:03

my guy Max Crosby.

1:05

Were talking about dog underrated

1:07

still somehow bro Pressure King.

1:09

I met him, this was rookie year Max

1:12

Crosby after the season at an NFL Honors

1:14

show, sitting next to him. Really got to talk

1:16

to my guy and he became my dog. We sort

1:18

of have similar agents. We have agents on the same

1:21

team. It's like we're on the same side. We wrote the

1:23

amount of defensive end talks.

1:25

We have just the respect I have for

1:27

a guy like you, Max. It

1:30

speaks volumes. I mean, you're at forty

1:32

sacks. Forty sacks change being

1:34

in the league for a few years. But

1:37

that being said, Bro, you've been here. Like they said, the NFL

1:39

is not for a long time, but a good time. Bro, you have made

1:41

the most out of these five years. Bro, have been going crazy,

1:44

not only from stat wise, but all pro Pro

1:46

Bowl player leader on the on

1:48

the Raiders, they call you Mad Max,

1:51

not just your rapper name. You're off

1:53

the edge defensive line persona.

1:55

Bro.

1:56

I appreciate you for tapping in with me.

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Bro, No, I appreciate you, Bro. You know the goes

2:00

both ways. You've been an og for me

2:03

since day one. So, like you said,

2:05

we got a ton of connections, all the same

2:07

people in the same circle. We know all the same people

2:10

from Vaughn you know, working at his camps

2:12

and on and on and on and on. So I

2:14

appreciate you, Bro, and in your career, and

2:17

you know I don't say this about many people but like there's

2:20

a lot of guys you know, from like you

2:22

and Vn. Y'all set the you

2:24

know, the platform and the blueprint for how

2:26

to do it, and uh, you give me a ton of inspirations.

2:29

So just being here is an honor, BRO. So I appreciate

2:31

you perfect.

2:32

Bro.

2:32

I appreciate it.

2:33

Bro.

2:33

I just want to like, I'm gonna open it up because I talk about

2:35

it a lot, this idea that there's defensive

2:38

ends and there's edge rushers. And you just brought

2:40

up me and Vaughn same draft class twenty eleven

2:42

Von edge rusher, me defensive

2:45

end. You know what I'm saying, Like, where are

2:47

you sitting this convo? Because they they plugged all of us together

2:49

now outside linebacker qute unquote,

2:51

your jacks, your wills are sometimes now edge

2:53

rushers, and I'm like, oh, you can't do

2:55

what I do.

2:56

Yeah, No, I feel that, you know honestly, like

2:59

you said, like they try to just like put everybody

3:01

into that edge category.

3:03

But I think you're right.

3:04

You know, at the end of the day, the edge position

3:07

is it comes in so many different

3:09

ways, you know, shapes and sizes. So that's

3:11

what I think is the most special position, because you

3:14

could have a guy who's five ten, two

3:16

sixty and can rush the hell out of the pass or

3:18

in set and edge. But then you could have a six

3:20

six dude that's you know, Tom lanky

3:23

that can still get the job done, but in a different way.

3:25

So you know, for me, I don't you know, I

3:27

don't like to put anybody in the box, you know, for

3:29

me, like I said, like, I want to be the

3:31

best all around defensive end from pass

3:33

rushers, stop in the run. I

3:36

play, you know how, I'm like you, I play

3:38

every freaking snap Like That's how I

3:40

how I carry myself. So like I don't want to be

3:42

just known as a pass rusher or just a run stopping

3:44

guy, Like I want to be the best overall.

3:46

So that's you know, that's how I look at

3:48

it.

3:48

It got to be the best overall.

3:49

Bro.

3:50

Like, but I'm here to like, don't get a twist, I'm

3:52

here to play this run first.

3:53

Yeah yeah,

3:56

one hundred. Bro.

3:57

Wait, what do you prefer a four eye, which is

3:59

you know that inside shaded a tackle, or do you prefer

4:01

that five which the outside

4:03

say the tackle or even a nine?

4:05

Oh yeah, no, I'll leave the you know, I'll leave

4:07

the four eye a year. But for me, you

4:09

know I'm playing. I like playing in a five

4:11

or six or seven nine technique.

4:14

You know that's me. I like being on an edge at all times,

4:16

no question. You know you got you're weighing like

4:18

too eighty.

4:19

I don't. I'm like two sixty,

4:22

you know what I mean. I don't need to be in that four, but I'll

4:24

do it. You know I've done it right. I

4:26

prefer to be on the edge.

4:27

At a high level push on. We all have our preferences.

4:29

Me.

4:30

I mean, I really want to be a six syde, Like if

4:32

I could line up inside of a tight end.

4:34

Yeah, I'm really I'm really putting hands on a tight end.

4:36

Like that's when I'm like, I'm trying to choke somebody

4:38

out, like and I get that rage and me I'm like, yeah him,

4:40

I gotta get him.

4:41

Oh, bro, I played the four

4:44

I too, Like it's it is what it is.

4:46

This is a different mindset, bro. When you think about first

4:48

second down, then I think about third down, Like that's

4:50

where like that's how I attack the lines, right,

4:52

I'm not thinking like hey, pass play pass play, unless

4:54

unless like office line is given hints or you know, like

4:56

a formation like four outs is is typically

4:59

a pass play. Like I'm thinking, like, all right,

5:01

back off set, he coming my way, and I like, I got

5:03

that smile.

5:04

On me, you know what I'm saying.

5:05

I'm like, I'm like, Yo, they coming

5:07

my way. Let's do this stutter punch, whatever

5:09

it is, let's ride. When you think about what it

5:11

takes to be a defensive end, have you ever thought

5:13

about, like the characteristics what it takes. Not

5:15

just it's like, oh, you gotta be long, you gotta be tall, because

5:17

you've seen Jerry Jerry Hughes do it. You've seen

5:20

Nick Perry do it, You've seen Tevon Thibodeau.

5:22

Whatever it is. What do you think is the

5:24

characteristics of a good defensive end?

5:27

You know?

5:27

I think you know the characteristics you

5:29

gotta have, like you talked about, is having

5:31

that dog mentality. I think that's what separates,

5:33

you know, the good players and the great players. And like

5:36

you said, you can go to an NFL combine, guys

5:38

can run a four to four look like the biggest Leonidas

5:40

on the planet.

5:41

But once you put pads on, you're like, like, what

5:43

the is this? You know? Sorry, yeah,

5:47

you can't bro like yeah, but like you

5:49

see it all the.

5:49

Time, like Tarzan, but he played like Jane

5:51

like that's a real that's a real silicon because

5:53

you be like, bro, he looked, he looked like he major

5:56

and get it there be mad.

5:57

He'll be like that don't make no sense.

5:58

It doesn't make sense. But that's what you know when you talk

6:00

about mentality. They got to have that dog in them, Like

6:03

that's something you can't determine

6:05

by looking at somebody at a combine Like that really

6:07

comes from watching the film on somebody. I feel like

6:09

that's the most important thing. You got to watch film and see who's

6:11

willing to put their nose in it, you know, and freaking

6:14

go ahead, you know it's bull rush, have all

6:16

the mixture of combinations, but be relentless at the same

6:19

time chasing the ball, flying to the ball. I

6:21

think the things that require no talent or the most

6:23

important thing to play the edge position,

6:26

the.

6:26

Other shit on top of it.

6:27

Obviously, we're all NFL players, so you got

6:29

to have the ability to rush and bend and do all those

6:31

things. But I think the most important thing is just having that relentless

6:34

you know, I'm not gonna stop nobody's gonna outplay,

6:36

you know, outwork me during the game. I think

6:38

that's what you know, separates, you know, the great

6:40

players from the good ones.

6:42

Man.

6:42

Facts.

6:43

Do you think sometimes like the way I talk crap

6:45

on like y'all you know I talk crap the way you

6:47

talk crap on the field, The passion, the love

6:49

that we have for the game, Like it feels like when

6:52

we win, like that's how you're supposed to play the game.

6:54

But when we lose, like that's when you feel like media

6:56

sort of like the attack you like, oh you have

6:58

to be that Like what do you me?

7:00

Like, this is who I am as a monster bro?

7:01

Like, do you feel like sometimes your passion

7:03

as a competitor gets misconstrued by

7:06

other people?

7:07

Yeah, let that affect you.

7:09

No, I don't let it affect me. I'm always gonna be

7:11

me. You know.

7:11

I definitely take some you know, I feel like more recently

7:14

in the past year, I've taken a lot of heat just from

7:16

like you know, they released the quarterback

7:18

thing where they see me like going after my homes and

7:20

talking messing with them and like.

7:23

Everyone's like, oh my god, he's an asshole.

7:24

He's a jerk, and then they see me, like they released

7:27

a micd up and I was like, I took

7:29

our tight end like twenty yards off the ball

7:31

and just body slammed them just to set the

7:33

tone. And like they're like this dude's an asshole, But

7:36

like I love that because that's who I am. Like it's

7:38

not they're just getting to see it now, but like that's

7:41

who I am as a player. My mentality is like

7:43

I don't care who's in front of me. I'm gonna talk. I'm

7:45

gonna try to get in their head and

7:47

I'm gonna try to make them feel less

7:50

than what they are. You know, they might be a good player, I want to

7:52

make them feel average. So that's what I started

7:54

to play to play basis. So if they don't like

7:56

it, that's not my problem, right.

7:58

Somebody brought that up to late Is Max like that. I

8:00

was like Max, Dude, I was like, yeah, he supposed to be

8:02

like that, Like what do you What do you want me to do? You want me

8:04

to be like.

8:04

The Andrew luck of a defensive end, Like.

8:06

He's just like, hey, i'll see you next time.

8:09

Yeah, I can't do that, bro, I'm gonna be one hundred

8:12

percent me if you don't like it, you don't like it.

8:14

But the people that love me, they love me for that. So it's like

8:16

that love me, you know, that's all that matters to me.

8:19

I don't get it.

8:20

You think we're all friends, Like I'm not supposed to Like the officer

8:22

lineman I'm going against.

8:23

I think he's that slow, and I think he can't mess

8:25

with me.

8:26

That's the reason why I'm on the edge. And he's

8:28

he's in his position that he's in. He's like he's

8:31

a kid that grew up eating Hella candy

8:33

and snacks at middle of the night, played

8:36

Fortnite duty,

8:39

you know.

8:40

You know, drinking a coke, sitting.

8:41

There absolutely and

8:44

he says and he says things like I'm athletic, are

8:46

you? Because you're the only one telling yourself

8:48

that you're athletic, you know, Like you're

8:50

not supposed to be friends, bro, Like, I don't get it. Like,

8:52

you know, when we talked to Vaughan this past year

8:55

and Bonn was like, man, you know, I like to I like to

8:57

get to know him, the officer the line, and I'll be going against a guy

8:59

and I'll be like, hey, man, how's your date?

9:01

Oh man? Man, I saw you had kids. How's

9:03

your kids? Man, I ain't never asked

9:05

none of that.

9:06

See for me, No, that's funny you say that because like

9:08

there's like majority of the time like I'm gonna

9:11

be on that with whoever it is, like just to get

9:13

myself going, like there's some

9:15

guy like I feel like it's different, you know

9:17

when it comes to the old lineman, Like there's some old lineman

9:19

who like even a Garret Bowles for instance,

9:21

Like my first couple of years in the league, like me and him a match

9:24

up twice a year, and like

9:26

we were going like we were damn near fighting

9:29

every play and we're talking and

9:31

going at it, going at it.

9:32

And then like by the end of.

9:33

My second year, we played each other for like the fourth

9:35

time, and he started walking across the

9:37

field like we were getting personal, like this was going

9:40

there. I'm like, all right, I'm ready to fight. I already know what

9:42

it is about to be. And he walked up to me and I'm

9:44

like this after the game,

9:46

we're fighting right now. And he's like, Bro,

9:48

I love you.

9:49

Bro.

9:50

I'm gonna just say that, like I respect the guy

9:52

to you. He was like at the end of the day, he was

9:54

like, you're you bring it more than anybody.

9:56

Like he just had a lot of good shit to say, bro, But like

9:58

that's for me, that was the cool ast moment.

10:00

So like every time I see him now like he did

10:03

sees me, he's like, love you, bro, and then it's

10:06

I mean it's like so

10:10

like yeah, so every you know, every situation

10:13

is different, and uh, you know it is

10:15

what it is. But for me, like I'm always trying

10:17

to find that edge, whether it's you know, talking or

10:20

whatever I gotta do to get that man.

10:22

I mean, but that competitive that's what makes you like

10:25

great. Like I don't, like I said, I don't want to like you.

10:27

I don't want to I can like you outside

10:29

the lines. In between these lines, you are

10:31

an obstacle, your speed bump, your literally your

10:33

job is literally to stop me from getting to where I'm

10:35

trying to go. Yeah, like if

10:38

you if I'm trying to get out the gated community, guess I get to get

10:40

out to get out of there, like the speed bump, and guess what that

10:42

off my names, that's speed bump. So hey,

10:44

man, break the thing now. Man, I'm trying

10:46

to get in there, bro. But but that's what

10:48

it sort of takes for me to get to the process. For you,

10:50

you bro, you worked all the way through. So the leadership

10:53

that you have now the locker rooms in a good place

10:55

between you guys like Davante Adams.

10:57

Tell me that leadership process, especially

10:59

for a guy like.

11:00

You know, Davonte who had to come in and be cultivated

11:02

to the to the Raiders style of play or bring his

11:04

culture on to you. That leadership between

11:06

you and him, because I see it on the field. I see

11:09

he chirps, you chirp your defense, your office

11:11

response. When you guys like talking like that. Leadership

11:13

qualities that you guys have to me, tell me a little bit about

11:15

that in locker room.

11:16

Yeah, no doubt. You know, uh, you know, you nail

11:18

the raid on the head.

11:19

You know.

11:19

DeVante he's

11:21

you know, he's like, I think this is tenth

11:24

year.

11:24

You know, he's close to you.

11:25

He's been in the league for a long time now, and he the

11:28

dude is elite at what he does. And at

11:30

the same time, he brings that energy no

11:32

matter if his practice or game day, and he's always

11:34

doing extra. So when you have a guy that's

11:36

the first, you know, three years in a row First

11:38

Seam all Pro and he's also one of your artist workers.

11:41

Like there's nothing you could say, so, like, guys are going

11:43

to naturally follow. And that's why I work the

11:45

way I work, you know what I mean. I'm always I'm

11:47

staying on guy's ass, especially the young guys. Like

11:49

I make people uncomfortable sometimes and I

11:52

try to push them out of their comfort zone. But like

11:54

for me, you know, I've it's taking

11:57

years to earn that right and like for not you know, now,

11:59

that's what leaderships all about. It is, I want to

12:01

bring the guys with me. I want them you know, they

12:04

might not get up to my level right

12:06

out the gate, but it's gonna take time. And if they

12:08

can go from here to here, then I've done my job.

12:10

And if I can bring all the guys with me, that's that's

12:12

what.

12:12

I can do.

12:13

So like that's how I push

12:15

it, bro, Like, yeah, I just want to make you know, everybody's

12:17

different, you know.

12:18

And I learned this from coach Marionelli too.

12:20

He told me, He's like, you know, what makes

12:23

a coach great is uh, you

12:25

know, being able to adapt to all your different players

12:27

because certain you know, every guy's different.

12:30

Certain players tick a certain way. Some

12:32

guys, you know, need to get mother sometimes

12:34

and that's how they get going. And some guys you got to be nice

12:37

to them and then that's so it's like I

12:39

try to learn and really know who my guys

12:41

are as people, and we do d line

12:43

dinners every week, Like they'll come to the house, I'll have chefs

12:45

come and we'll you know, just kick it and like do

12:48

stuff like that so I can really learn

12:50

who the person is. Because you can't go and mother

12:52

somebody and you don't even know what their child's

12:55

name is. Yeah,

12:57

that's that's a problem. Like you, I don't want to

13:00

you know, I'm not going to listen to that. But if I have a

13:02

real relationship with them, then you know,

13:04

then.

13:04

There's a reason.

13:05

Like he's receptive because it's like, Bro, he cares about me as

13:07

person and he wants me to be the best.

13:08

Version of me.

13:10

And that's that's how I lead. And

13:12

our locker rooms great. Bro.

13:13

I love the guys and we have a lot of good people

13:15

and a lot of hard workers.

13:16

So yeah, we just got to you.

13:17

Know, keep rolling and get this thing on board.

13:37

When it comes down to it, clearly you've earned the

13:39

love, respect, and accolades that you've gotten

13:41

and earned it each and every step of the way. Bro, the

13:43

way you play has been phenomenal, the way you get out the

13:45

stacks, and like, I'll be like, yo that you have to

13:48

get out the stacks. I'm like, Bro, you think you could be all prob without

13:50

getting out the stacks. But Bro, you watch you

13:52

watch Max. He's mad Max on Sundays,

13:54

He's going crazy. You're chasing things down, You're running

13:56

things down. And now we got your former quarterback,

13:58

Derek Carr. He talks so highly of you. He's like, Bro,

14:01

you might be the only person that runs just as much as as

14:03

Max does after practices or whatever. It

14:05

is like, Bro, I always see running, He's always running.

14:07

I'm like absolutely. I was like, dude's a doll for

14:09

a reason. He earns it. But that being said, Bro,

14:11

it's also put you in a spot to what were

14:13

you this year on ESPN seventeen?

14:16

Yeah? Seven?

14:17

Does that motivate you at all? Does that affect you at all?

14:19

Like for me, I'll be like, bro, it's just another year. Like there's years

14:21

when I was like, oh, I know I'm top twenty and

14:24

been number ninety nine, and there's years that I've

14:26

all right, like I probably saw that might be bottom

14:28

fifty this year and been as high as like thirty

14:31

something.

14:31

It just depends. But does it affect you or motivate you?

14:34

Honestly, it motivates me.

14:35

Like for me, I don't like having anybody have

14:37

anything like over me if

14:39

I you know what I mean, if I'm first impressors

14:41

and first and TFLs and like there's

14:44

always going to be something that I'm trying to find that somebody

14:46

has over me, and like that's it will bother me

14:48

until I get back out there and try to get closer to that.

14:51

So like I use things like that as

14:53

motivation, you know, more than anything. And like that's

14:55

just like how my mind works. I'm ultracompetitive

14:58

no matter what I'm doing, and like, yeah,

15:00

I want to be the number one player, Like I was ranked

15:02

seventeenth, you know, by my peers

15:04

as a player in the NFL. Like just thinking about that,

15:06

you know, five years ago, if you'd have told me I'm in the top twenty

15:09

like in the league and that's in the world, Like that's

15:12

crazy.

15:12

But at the end of the.

15:13

Day, like now where I'm at, like there's

15:15

always more, And like I got that from coach Marinelli,

15:18

Like he texted me damn near every single day to this

15:20

day. And he's retired seventy five years

15:22

old. I don't know what the hell he's doing in his

15:24

lab, but he's he always text me it's

15:26

more and improved. Like those are the two words he always

15:28

is preaching to me. He's like, there's

15:31

always more to do and there's always room for

15:33

improvement, and like you have to find what that is

15:35

every single day.

15:36

So like for me, that's how my brain works.

15:38

Like I could have a good game, i could have a bad game, but like

15:40

I'm always going to find the things I got to get better

15:42

at and apply that into my practice

15:44

and preparacing the next week.

15:46

So that's what I feel like.

15:47

The consistency part is like so big for me, and what's

15:49

taking my game to the next level is like never getting

15:51

content or too high or too low. It's like, all

15:53

right, I'm gonna stay right here, even keeled,

15:55

and just build off of it every single week. And that's how

15:58

you put together a great season, is not you know,

16:00

riding the roller coaster. You just gotta you

16:02

know, let the certain things you know how you

16:04

know how you tick? You know I know how I tack, you know

16:07

how you take it? Like for me, I'm gonna find that and use it

16:09

for a positive.

16:10

That mentality has changed, bro, even

16:12

in the last what five years ago you were a rookie to

16:14

now Bro, Yeah, there was that

16:16

like two or three years ago when you were like, Bro, like I'm

16:18

getting all these pressures, but I'm like, the sacks aren't where

16:20

they supposed to be.

16:21

And we talked about it.

16:22

You're like, Bro, like like how do I was

16:24

like, Bro, what do you like?

16:25

It all comes around, Bro, If you're getting pressures,

16:27

that means you' getting closer as long as you as

16:29

long as I don't even remember the whole conversation, I was like, Bro,

16:31

as long as you're hunting, Like eventually,

16:34

if you keep stabbing at it, you're going to draw

16:36

blood.

16:36

You know what I'm saying.

16:39

You took off after that, Bro, But like, does

16:41

that that competitive edge you have, that chippy wheel? Does

16:43

that also come from not saying smaller school, but

16:46

like you going in the you know, middle of the draft, that that

16:48

fourth round draft pick? Is that an extra added

16:50

mentality from like I didn't come from nothing, but

16:52

like they didn't they didn't respect me the way they were supposed

16:54

to.

16:55

Yeah, you know, I always I've always

16:57

felt like I've been slept on, and I feel

16:59

like I've always had to go above and beyond to

17:01

like prove my worth. I know, it's a part of my journey,

17:03

you know, like being you know, I've been with the

17:06

Raiders. You know, we've had you know, three out of four

17:08

years they have made the playoffs, and it's been a struggle.

17:10

Like I was a fourth round pick, I had one offer

17:13

coming out of high school. Like I've always

17:15

had to go above and beyond and do what

17:17

I do. But it's like that's what makes me who

17:19

I am, and like I love it.

17:21

I wouldn't change it for anything. And like it is hard

17:23

because I feel like, you know, I

17:26

don't always have the greatest, you know.

17:28

Deck of cards.

17:29

But at the end of the day, that's

17:31

what makes me who I am because I've always

17:33

found a way, Like I've never I never quit,

17:35

Like no matter if I start something, I'm gonna finish it.

17:37

And that's how I approach every single day. So like I

17:40

love when people doubt me. I love and they tell me,

17:42

oh, he's not like even last year, like I thought

17:44

I should have been an All Pro. Like that's I thought

17:46

about that all year and like you know when he

17:48

played lineman and like you have a good game and

17:51

they'll come out and be like, oh he got locked up, he

17:53

didn't get a sack, blah blah blah blah blah, and then they'll show

17:55

too clips and you're getting blocked and like you kill them

17:57

the rest of the time. Like, Bro, that's sit

18:00

mind. Like I don't want anybody to have

18:02

anything or anything. So like that's what

18:04

it is for me. Bro, It's every single day, like

18:07

I'm just I'm just competitive shit, Like it don't matter

18:09

if I'm playing two k, if I'm hanging in the back talking

18:11

with the guys, like it doesn't matter.

18:13

I don't want anybody to have anything over me. And

18:15

like that's that's what pushed me every single day.

18:18

That's that's that one when you go gets office a lineman

18:20

and you've beating him outside inside, through

18:23

and you're coming right there at the quarterback. Bro,

18:25

Like I'm like there was there was times this

18:27

last two games I'm just like literally filling

18:29

the lace on the ball and being launched

18:31

and I'm like, oh, the techle

18:33

played good against you. Yeah, you're

18:37

like, you're like, bro, like it was me, Like

18:40

I didn't get there, but you know that's on me, it's

18:42

not him. He didn't stop me either

18:45

way. It was a quick, quick release whatever it was. Like,

18:47

But do you think some of that is like instinct verse technique?

18:49

Like yo, like you when you're looking at your film

18:52

for your spin move in that quarterback stepping

18:54

up and you have a hand on the shoulder and he slips

18:56

out of there. I know you've talked about stretch of flexibility,

18:59

grip strength, Like what what do you think it is to finish

19:01

in those plays?

19:02

I think it's a combination.

19:03

You know, you gotta have, Like I think

19:05

that's you know, differs between a pressure,

19:07

like you can get pressures. You

19:09

know they count hurries and you know president

19:12

they're all combined. So like, yeah, if the ball's

19:14

gone in two seconds and you're beating them in one and a half,

19:16

like you can't do anything about that, but you're winning the rush,

19:19

Like that's what it really comes down to. If you're winning

19:21

a high percentage of rushes and you have natural

19:23

football instincts, you're reading your keys, you're playing

19:25

with pad level you're working that you work in practice,

19:28

like the guys that me and you like, Bro, we've been pro bowlers.

19:30

Like we trust our moves and

19:32

we think we know they're gonna work if we trust

19:35

them and do them the right way, and our pad levels right

19:37

and our eyes are right and our cell is right, like

19:39

all that matters. So like for me going into the game,

19:42

I'm trusting that process, like I'm

19:44

gonna break down the film. I'm gonna see what I can do better

19:46

from the week before, and like I'm gonna start looking at

19:48

my opponent.

19:48

How can I beat this guy? How can I dissect them?

19:50

And like for me, it's not just like you

19:53

know when you talk about like finishing, that's

19:56

finishing. Just you know, every little detail

19:58

matters. And like I talk about from

20:00

practice to the weight room, like the grip

20:02

strength thing, like I do grip after every workout

20:04

now, like I've done it for years now, just because

20:06

that extra grab and like.

20:07

Wait, which which one?

20:09

Which one do you do? Do you have?

20:10

Do you have like the hand machines or do you

20:12

like I do my grip strength where like I hold

20:14

I hold the forty five pounds?

20:16

What is it?

20:16

Twenty two kilo weights and I do that for

20:18

time or then, like I started a

20:20

couple of years ago, our d line

20:22

coach introduced like flipping these things. Now

20:24

I'm like flipping and catching, like I'm

20:26

like on a Thursday, I'm like flipping.

20:28

Catching these forty five pound weights.

20:29

Just like in those weeks

20:32

that you don't have you be like, all right, all right, what's

20:34

because I do have my finger? Not an excuse, but like gotta

20:36

go, just back to hole.

20:37

What would be your favorite grip strength exercise?

20:39

Would you say?

20:40

Yeah, I would say my favorite, Like we do a ton

20:42

ton of different ones, Like today we had like the fat grippers

20:44

on, which are hard as hell, and you

20:47

deal with kettlebells and like you can't fully grip

20:49

and you're just shaking.

20:51

I don't know about this. What do you wait? Wait, explain,

20:53

I got you.

20:56

Yeah, this is different.

20:58

But I was kettle with like

21:00

thirty five forty pounds.

21:01

No, you get like it's sixty I'll

21:03

say sixty pounds kettlebell. You do

21:06

like you do like sessions,

21:08

so you do like thirty seconds with it with it

21:10

and then twenty seconds with a heavier weight, and then you

21:12

do like towel holes, so you wrap

21:14

it around the kettlebell and you hold with the towel and

21:16

it's heavy, Like.

21:17

Bro, I got it. I got some for You'll say.

21:20

Bro, my god, I'm wanting to learn.

21:22

I like, I'm telling you Rick Slate my

21:25

guy in here in the train. He's one of my He's

21:27

like the main guy works out with me. He's my puts

21:29

me through every workout.

21:30

That dude, don't you don't start working out, bro, he's

21:33

an og. Bro, he's an og and

21:35

he gets the right.

21:36

You're going through prison workouts, yall workouts?

21:38

What he has me screaming, like cussing

21:40

him out. I'm so mad. It hurts so bad, but it

21:43

pays off in the end.

21:44

I'm not gonna lie, bro, Like you surprised me. What

21:46

was that this pass Pro Bowl?

21:47

We were talking like, Bro, I'm working out here

21:49

every day still, like like there is no shut

21:52

down for me in the off season.

21:53

Is there a shutdown period? When do you recoup the bod?

21:56

Like for me, I have to like I gotta get away fam

21:58

like I disappear for like.

21:59

A like yeah,

22:02

no work it out, no Rarnie, like.

22:03

I gotta eat, love my family love

22:06

me.

22:06

We're not in football season. I'm not necessarily like

22:08

the greatest. I don't think I'm the greatest dad,

22:11

husband, brother, anything. I'm like, Yo,

22:14

it's Thursday, so Thursday through Sunday, I'm

22:16

locking the hell in, Like I don't even like to do media

22:19

by Wednesday is Friday, Like,

22:21

don't ask me.

22:22

Saturday, I am so locked in. I'm like, I got

22:24

things I have to do on Sunday. I'm not a good person.

22:26

Sunday I'm coming with bad intentions.

22:28

When do you get away and become you

22:30

know, like daddy, Max, thank you, gotta

22:33

love you.

22:34

Yeah, No, honestly, bro, Like this

22:36

was after my third year and fourth

22:38

year. Like I know, it was after my second year and

22:40

third year. I would start after the

22:43

Super Bowl That's when I would start training. And

22:46

this year, you know, we didn't make the playoffs,

22:48

and you know, I talked to my strength coach,

22:50

I talked to my nutrition's all this, and he was like, hey, we're

22:52

gonna start January thirtieth this year, and this is

22:55

why we're going to ease, you know, ease into

22:57

the process.

22:57

Boo boom, boom boom. He broke it down to me.

23:00

You know, I have a team of people that all, you know, collaborate

23:02

and communicate here with the Raiders.

23:04

So it was great, and

23:06

I started.

23:06

To hear your own team of people.

23:10

Hey I'm here. I'm here

23:12

by myself. You know what I mean.

23:13

When you when you hear about yourself, you get everybody,

23:15

you get all the resources. So yeah,

23:18

you know, we started January thirtieth, and so

23:20

yeah, I took like two and a half weeks off and

23:23

I was back rolling, but I was still meal prepping even

23:25

after the season, and like, I always want to

23:27

stay in shape. And no matter

23:29

what I hate, there's nothing worse than going and put

23:32

eating like sh for two weeks and you have to drop weight

23:34

and then you're just wasting weeks of work.

23:36

And you know time you can improved by trying

23:39

to cut weight and then get back into shape. So like, for

23:41

me, I want to be in shape all year round. So like

23:43

that's how that's how it is for me. It's really it's really

23:45

all year round.

23:46

Man, I said, that's what it takes.

23:48

Bro.

23:48

Like if that's if that's what Joe vibe is, that's

23:51

crazy work to me because I'm like, yo, I gotta get away,

23:53

like I'm eating, I'm eating.

23:54

Like that little facire, bro, like I got.

23:56

To eat well, We'll say well and come

23:58

back.

23:58

I'm like every week I'm eating

24:00

good in the off season, I will say that my Saturdays,

24:03

I'm getting my cheat meal, I'm getting Chipotle for

24:05

lunch. I'm gonna eat something for dinner. But like,

24:07

besides that, you know

24:10

that.

24:10

One day a week cheating no, no off season

24:12

like a month, maam, Like you know you know this

24:14

off seat I went to. I went to Spain for two and a half months.

24:16

Oh, I start working out tonight like last

24:19

month and a half. That first month I was there.

24:21

I needed all of it.

24:22

You know, big, I bet a harmon,

24:24

the big big steaks. What

24:28

I need all of it. I was like, yo, run that twice.

24:31

My kids are looking at me like Daddy's fluffy.

24:34

Yeah he is, damn right, man.

24:37

I worked hard to be fluffy. And then I'm gonna

24:39

get back right.

24:40

All right, three quick questions I get you out of here, bro,

24:42

I said, twenty five minutes.

24:43

He gone over twenty five minutes. Yeah, hey,

24:46

bro, what's your favorite cheapt meal?

24:47

Favorite cheat meal?

24:49

Don't tell me you what Chipotle got?

24:51

Come on, come on, I was gonna see that's just so

24:53

easy for me to say it, but I would

24:55

say this and like this is my prison,

24:57

like if I was in prison, Like they're like you have one meal

24:59

left. I'm getting chicken, Fried's, steagle, mashed

25:01

potatoes, cream cord, gravy, all

25:03

that.

25:04

Like straight murders, murders.

25:07

Favor favorite other edge rusher,

25:09

edge rusher to watch.

25:13

I'm gonna say.

25:16

That, there's a lot of them.

25:17

That's what I say.

25:18

Take take, take Jordans.

25:21

And you you're going t j okay,

25:24

okay, to a little what all right?

25:25

And then now I'm not gonna do this to you.

25:28

Favorite teammate, favorite teammate.

25:31

I got a lot.

25:31

I love them all, but I'm

25:34

gonna have to say.

25:37

I'm gonna say Devanteta my

25:41

guy. We're like that's my brother.

25:43

Okay, okay, last last question. Favorite tattoo.

25:45

When you're done, favorite tattoo.

25:47

You got this.

25:47

When I first met you, you had a little bit. Now you've got

25:49

this.

25:51

I'm gonna say, my daughter. I got my daughter right

25:54

here. So yeah, holding

25:56

down for Ella, no question.

25:57

Absolutely appreciate you, bro, You

25:59

you you monster bro. You becoming a legend

26:01

of the game, and like, keep on pushing, keep on pressing.

26:04

I appreciate you tapping in with me, Broth. We'll

26:06

text later, Bro, but I appreciate you for getting that.

26:08

Appreciate you, Bro, your legend.

26:19

So there you have it. It's a wrap.

26:21

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26:23

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26:26

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