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Well, come on in to off the edge with
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Cam Jordan, I have the privilege to sit
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with. I'm learning the hierarchy
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of things, right. There's always levels to life
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with the executive vice president
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of Football Operations at the NFL. But I've
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known him as Troy mister senior,
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Troy Vincent, a man who's
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played in the league for fifteen years.
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I know him from the Philadelphia time,
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been with a few different teams. A
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man who's been an All Pro man who's
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been a pro bowler, man who has you
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know, his accolades speak for himself. And on the opposite
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side, which now he's the enemy
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of where he started because he started off an NFLPA
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and then not an enemy.
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For me, it was always a partnership. It
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was always a partnership and just making sure that
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we kept the game on the table. Treat
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the players right. You can make money, but you got
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to do right by the players. That was always
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my position as an
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elected official. You're familiar with
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that. So my thirteen of my
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fifteen years I served as an elected officer.
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Yeah, to serve the player in the locker room,
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making sure the players understood his rights, his
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hours, wages, working conditions, and
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then you know, I had the opportunity also
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to I think I did four CBA extensions.
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But anytime, we're going to have some things that we disagree
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on. But the one thing we can't disagree on it's
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the game and the players. Right, best coaches
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in the world, best players in the world. We
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can make money, but you got to do right
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by the people.
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I see you left the refs out, But okay, I appreciate
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that. We're not going to talk about it because well,
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you know, like they affect you know, while
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you're in it. They affect the game, and sometimes
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what you'd say, non
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non bias ways seemingly
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non biased ways.
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I don't think they're intentionally doing
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that to affect the game. I
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think now with technology now,
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with the expansion of a few rules, I
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think some of those things that worry people, I
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think we can fix some of
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those things. We still want the game to be played
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on the field and officiated on the field, and
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then tweaking a few things that technology
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allows us to lean into. But
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I don't think any player I know I wouldn't.
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I don't want another eye in the sky
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determining a play inside
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of my stadium.
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I was like let's eyes, so we can actually play the correct,
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correct, right correct, and
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then you have a you have a good old zebra striper.
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Just throw one of those flags. If we play corner
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the way you played back in the day couldn't
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be played now.
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I get asked that question often, Absolutely
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not as the answer, I
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would have had to adjust. And
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I just think you all today.
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I just love watching you all play. Yeah,
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your phenomenal athletes. The
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adjustments that we I'm
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gonna say, we
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we ask the players to make and
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watch them make it. Is it extraordinary.
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I do believe there's some play
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type that occurred years
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ago that some of those players
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probably couldn't adjust. But
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the vast majority, the
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few tweaks, but they gave me. They
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always gave me warnings. Hey, hey twenty
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you know twenty three, get your hands
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off, Hey, ease Up's so
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you had that progression, but
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even yeah, just think about that, just
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as a dB, you're back pedaling. You got
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to come off of a cover two with the run coming into the
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outside, and next thing you know, you got to
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face the office of lineman. Used to be able to chop them.
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That's gone now and now.
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So it was interesting. I was
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in a competition committee meeting. I have to full
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transparency here. I've
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been in one of those when that
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discussion came up about
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removing the
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cutting in space and the dB
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or the offensive lineman because they would cut
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two out in space. I
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just remember, man, I
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learned how to really hurt somebody.
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Yeah, you know, I was
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taught how to go getting
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and make sure that he didn't get up. But
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that's what I was taught. And now
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and now then I when I see it, I know
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better. And I was that
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was celebrated on Mondays
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and Tuesdays. All right, you know he gonna
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pull you know he's gonna do this brown
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baby. Yes, and you get that. You get you
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get that inside need the right way with
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the inside part of your helmet. You're
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gonna tear everything up.
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YEA. Fear
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me, that's the part of but that's part
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of the defense.
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Though I understand imposing
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your will fear me to
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intentionally, but to intentionally harm.
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He wants the same thing you want. I want to take home that
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paragraph five just
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like you do. You're gonna have to earn a difference, I
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know, but I just think the unnecessary
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risk that's associated with it. It was
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the part.
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That that's that's what the game I grew up to love.
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Though, when you saw most
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what when you when you saw somebody come down
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like Ray Ray what Ray Lewis bit when
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he was first in the lead coming down smacking people. Dante
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Hitner. When I first got to lead, I said, Oh,
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they're different, Dante Whitner, He's
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Hittner.
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So here we go. So what did you think about the hip drop?
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I'm glad you brought it up because I was gonna let
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you live the hip drop if
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it happens once a game, right,
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I'm not understanding the effects of the game. Now
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do I get it from
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from a fans view of Oh, it's
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a it's what you said, a malicious intent
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tackle, is it? No, it's a smaller person normally
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trying to tackle.
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A bigger It's not in the research shows that, the
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video shows it's not a smaller person on the big
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it's actually a bigger person on a smaller person.
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I'm happy you referenced those guys,
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Dante Whitner. Yeah, play with Dante Navar
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Boweman. So I'm just gonna start with the
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defenders because I had to. I was just sharing this
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conversation with Takio Spikes. Yeah,
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and him and London Fletcher were two
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of my teammates, but were just like
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you, man, what are you? What are
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you thinking about? TA like you
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done lost your mind? This help
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us? Then I started thinking
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about I said, in Miami
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played with Brian Cox, Lewis Oliver, in
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Philly, Brian
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Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Bobby
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Taylor, Hugh Douglas, some great
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tacklers. I go to Buffalo
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to Keyo Spikes, London Fletcher,
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Lawyer Molloy, Nate Clemens,
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I forget Fletch started over it, go
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to Washington, Sean Taylor
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and others. I've never seen
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any of those great tacklers tackle
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someone this way, the unwaiting
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of their body on the back of the leg
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trapping.
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Yeah.
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So I had to put it in context. Tea.
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I've seen you made a thousand tackles
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in the season. I've never seen you in
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London ever tackle anybody this way.
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And once I said that, you go, you go. DK.
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I've never seen you tackling. I've seen
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you do some crazy things, crazy
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things, but I've never seen you do that.
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But the A twenty to twenty five
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X injury rate, I just
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think as a gatekeeper of the game, I
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can't walk out of any room and
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go, wait a minute, we're not going to do nothing about this
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is a twenty to twenty five x injury
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rate on that tackle. Yeah,
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come on, coaches. So
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I don't know if the officials then tent was
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not to throw more flags, but today
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I didn't have anything to even address it.
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And we've been watching it for three years,
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literally studying it, watching it showing up
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at the college level now, the high school
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level now, and it's when
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the player is down, he down for
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weeks, if not the entire seaton.
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So that was that was the entire season.
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But I mean, that's that's sort of you know again,
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that's just a different era of football. Grow
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up. You know, girl watching in the eighties.
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So you know, Pops played in the eighties, early
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nineties. I was born what you got out of college.
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In eighty ninety two.
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I was born in eighty nine.
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I'm not I'm not. I watched Hip
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Hops, no doubt. I
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didn't play with him. I watched it. So,
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I mean, you.
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Know what you got into the league ninety
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right, Pops are still in there.
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There was there was a there was a year or two in Minnesota.
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Yeah, he got out ninety four. Think
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about like, I just think about that different
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era of football, speaking up with watching
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the John Randles, the Chris Domans. Anyways, getting
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off getting off something, it's fine,
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but the progression of the game, you know
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where we've gone to. Now we
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are the you know, we've always in my mind, we've always
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been in the premiere sport, but we're the most watched
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sport if you just look at our ratings whatever
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that is.
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Heara domestically.
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Yeah, absolutely, we're not going to bring international
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into it because then we got work there. We
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we're breaking in and later
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about this. I've got I've got ideas.
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See, that's what I need is your ideas.
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Yeah, I mean that's just in my mind.
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There could be like an American got
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talent meets NFL clearly
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for overseas.
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I like that. I'm just saying, so, when
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you're sitting on something like that, why
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would you wait? Why wouldn't you just pop
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me, pop me a text or an email to say
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I.
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Don't know how to I don't know, I don't know how to email like an adult,
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and I don't need anybody, but you can text. Absolutely,
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absolutely I'm gonna get on that the
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fact, because it just sort of popped up last
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week. I was like, why don't. I went to Liberia
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with the Alva Kamara, a great teammates,
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and I always told him if he ever went back to the Motherland, I'm going
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too. So I got a double dip. I had Ghana
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with the NFL commercial and then I hit Liberria
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with with my dog ak And I said, this
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is untapped because these mugs look NFL
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rad is.
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Because of that experience and because of the
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exposure. If you don't
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come back and share.
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How would you know?
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How would I know?
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Speaking of exposure, a lot of these kids walking
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into the walk to you know, to the Draft
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hotel, I saw a couple
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kids that I've heard about. The
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kids, they're they're men, I guess, and especially
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with the COVID years, some of these kids is like twenty
10:06
five men as
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A's wild.
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But you know walked in, you know, saw you what
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I think is a potential number one overall pick saw
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probably in my mind four or five, you
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know, saw a defensive end Latu.
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I'm never going to say that last name out of UCLA. And
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I was just like, I was just thinking knowing
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the career that you had on the
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field and off the field, what would be the advice that
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you would give them after they get drafted.
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So I started this conversation
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with those that will be virtual that
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the destination is not being drafted. Absolutely,
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the destination is making
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a roster and sustaining
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yourself because there's a there's
10:49
a mindset today as
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I arrived, but I
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got here, I made it, and
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there's a loss of the fight. There's
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a loss of the hungeredness that that.
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I feel like and takes a part of that too, no question.
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But that is that's our new lands that's the
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new landscape, and I and I share
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with them. You will literally you're
11:11
starting over, and
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your ability to retain
11:17
information, your your
11:19
ability to show up every single
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day, and you will be measured
11:24
every single day. And because of
11:26
the Rookie Wade scale, we didn't have a Rookie way
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scale when we came in. Who didn't
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you didn't. I didn't have a rookie waist, You
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didn't have a rookie wag.
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Was the first year after that was so the
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first hated on
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the I.
11:39
Was giving you more. I was giving you a few more that
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I don't want it. No, but the rookie Wade scale.
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They'll move on you now because
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you're not They're not paying you a ton of money, so they'll
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move on you don't.
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We just saw what happened in Chicago, which
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was crazy with the top three overall.
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Pick I am.
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I do have Conner too, which is even crazy.
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The league is not afraid to get what they want.
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Know they will move on you quickly. It's a
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business. We saw it with San Francisco with the Trey
12:05
Lance and if things aren't working
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out, they'll move on. You could be the first, second
12:10
third pick. I do have challenges,
12:13
not challenge, but concerns because
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today's current athlete, everything
12:19
is so transactional. It's
12:22
not a pureness of a relationship. Where
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do you find the loyalty exactly?
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But that's always been the case from the team side as well.
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But I do believe in the
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past Cam, I think
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there was a way to evaluate that
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Cam love the game.
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Absolutely. You know there's a it was it was dry, it
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was cut and dry.
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Yeah, does he love the game?
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Before social media you can read
12:44
out does he love the game or does he love the lifestyle?
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Correct?
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But now at this point it's so blended.
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If you're not a part of the game, how
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can you be part of lifestyle? And if you're not a part of the lifestyle,
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you can still be a part of the game. And that's the intersectionality
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of it all. You can blend both of those so
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quick you I'm not sure if
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he's working out because he wants to, because he keeps
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posting it and I love that he's on the grind,
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but also is he just doing it for the likes or
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is he doing it for himself? There's twenty times
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I was like, bro, I was like, I had to kill a workout where somebody
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would have captured this crazy shit that I just did.
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Also, I don't.
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Need the people in my business like that, but
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I do have concerns.
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It is a different era of
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what makes him tick. Yeah, and
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now this is happening when you're fourteen
13:30
fifteen and with
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your parents. No question, sit down
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with your parents. If I'm
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not talking about signing bonus, they're
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not having a conversation with me. I'm gonna
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repeat that at fourteen
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and fifteen to walk into
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our household. If I don't
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say, we can frame up to signing bonus
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later missus Jordan and mister Jordan.
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We can talk about some other things. We will get to the
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signing bonus, because if I don't reference
13:57
that, they're gonna
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ask already out to help.
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They already turned that off. You're not talking
14:02
about that money.
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So think about the love that you got to have to compete
14:06
here, as you well know, week in and week
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out a loss,
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how you're going to show back up, get yourself together,
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pick up the pieces, go evaluate
14:16
the tape, stay off social media
14:18
because someone's disliking you or
14:20
they got thumbs down. And where
14:23
does all of this go? I go to the Pro Bowl. I
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see the young men, which I completely appreciate.
14:28
They're showing up with the
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trucks and cars of production
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crews, like getting
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out the car. So those are like the different
14:38
where before you show up you
14:40
put some work in. Now they're
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not showing up without their team
14:45
capturing content. Is
14:47
this about the game or is this
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about you? And where do we all? So?
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I'm gonna say it wasn't about the game until the Pro
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Bowl. Pro Bowl is the very much time to be yourself
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and be able.
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I'm just saying, but think about it with your first Pro Bowl.
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Oh I was there first Pro Bowl Hawaii.
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But you can't coming with you didn't have no cars.
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It was you.
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It was a big fan. Everybody
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invited. First Pro Bow, everybody come in.
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I'm saying, but you didn't have a whole production crew
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behind you.
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We didn't have we didn't have filters like we had filters now, Like
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Snapchat was really was really hinge at
15:16
the time, and you know, like Instagram
15:18
was the new Facebook, Twitter, Twitter
15:21
was something that you got on, but it wasn't like that. And
15:23
now before you go you used
15:25
to go to like Yahoo for your information for your
15:27
finance, or Gmail, you know, Google or whatever it
15:29
is. Now you're going straight to Twitter. In the morning, you're
15:31
like, all right, what's trending, what's what's what's the what's
15:33
the hot icon? Like I'm good morning America.
15:36
The TV show used to be like, all right, my mom watches
15:39
that, so we're gonna catch some information. You know, Grandpa
15:41
always got the news on. Now everything's
15:44
made ready available.
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The resiliency, the grit,
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I feel like that part right
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has.
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I wouldn't say diminished, just
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cover differently.
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It's cam cover different
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I came in the era with three of days
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every day in facts today,
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you can't have two padded practices in a row.
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I appreciate that. For longevity speak
16:08
purposes, I appreciate that.
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And honestly, let's just be real, Okay, So
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is that the reason why you have poor tackling on game
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day?
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I don't know, but I just feel like in terms of in terms
16:17
of in terms of star players, they
16:19
were never seeing three days anyways. And you
16:21
could say they did.
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That's not Cam. I'm not sure that I know
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for sure Caam and Philly Washington.
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I would just say we did not win
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the big one.
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Yeah, I don't know if Chris Carter ever saw three day
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and I didn't play with Chris.
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No, I'm saying when I was going, okay, I'm just but
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there was some two A days there, right, definitely
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two A days on a very light prep.
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Eleven padded practices in a single
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season.
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I appreciate that this last,
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like this last like with seven or eight years,
16:49
that that was part of that. I said, look at this, it's like
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look at us.
16:51
I appreciate them absolute,
16:54
but there's some unintended consequences
16:56
that come with it, for sure. So people say,
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hey, some sloppiness. Yeah, it takes a
17:01
little bit of time week four, week five
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for people to hit their rhythm.
17:05
People are good tacklers because they tackle
17:08
all the time. So people are good
17:10
catchers because, as you know, because they catch
17:12
all the time. Now it's
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just I thought it was.
17:15
Good catchers because they're protected over the middle at
17:17
every chance. Now they're seen as defensives receivers
17:19
at every time they touch the ball. But that's
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my gripes.
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I'm like, I can't wait to come work work
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with me. I can't.
17:30
I just became an NFL p rep, you know.
17:32
So it's awesome this last year
17:34
or so.
17:35
And uh, it's very
17:37
interesting, interesting in general just to see
17:40
hierarchies and or positionings of
17:43
what I see now, Like you
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know, without rendering anybody
17:48
ineffective, I see both sides like things
17:50
clear, clear up.
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Yes, it's about the game.
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That's all I wanted to be.
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So you don't like the body weight the body weight.
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Foul, Come on, I don't like half the fouls
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out on a quarterback. But we've already been
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moving on. But you know, like
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there's hey, that that's you know, I
18:06
get it. Protect your franchise, make it, make make
18:08
the make the picture perfect kid Still
18:10
be picture perfect just because
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he took a slow read and let
18:15
his receiver.
18:19
If you don't have a quarterback, this
18:22
season is done.
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Sir Covid
18:27
took out two quarterbacks and we had to play with
18:29
with a rookie quarterback against one
18:31
Miami.
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And every player though, week
18:35
in and week out, if you have a chance
18:37
to win or not based off of who's
18:40
under the center, absolutely
18:43
you.
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Can still win. In spite of the Raiders did it this year.
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Next question, what's
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the one thing about the game that still gives you joy?
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Beyond you, of course
19:10
being in this position looking at it. How do the fans enjoy
19:12
it? What do you still enjoy about the game.
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I enjoy watching just a beauty
19:16
and the athleticism, because
19:18
sometimes I still have a I
19:22
have a hard time remembering that
19:25
I used to do that like
19:27
fifteen years baby. When
19:31
I watch what you all do, I'm
19:33
amazed. I'm
19:36
looking at Coach Fuel who I
19:38
work with, and Coach Still, I was like, did
19:40
you see that catch or
19:42
did you see that past Russia? Whoa
19:46
that part? There's an excitement that I see
19:49
that I just enjoy and
19:51
I'm constantly reminded of
19:54
just how special you guys are, but
19:56
I can't picture myself unless I
19:58
see a video or somebody you
20:01
know, showed me something. I just
20:03
some of those things. I'm just like, man,
20:06
I used to do that, but I don't
20:08
remember that part. But when I watch
20:10
you all, it's just a thing of beauty.
20:13
That's the part that I enjoy the
20:15
most, the
20:18
intensity level, some
20:20
of the rivalries. But then watching
20:22
y'all do some special stuff. I can look at the
20:24
coach and go, WHOA did you see
20:26
that run that back? Put
20:29
that in way to play? You know.
20:30
So on
20:33
the opposite spectrum, what sort
20:35
of like wakes you up in the middle of the night, Like, you know,
20:37
I didn't see my pops who've only
20:39
played thirteen years compared to your fifteen or
20:42
my hopefully head end of the year fourteen knock
20:44
on withoo there, you
20:46
know, wake up and it looks like he's catching a ball in the middle
20:48
of the night, you know, like he'll be sleep and hands
20:51
come out. I'm like, bro, it's not your heyday anymore. Befe,
20:54
Like what keeps you over the night? It could be good or bad. It was
20:56
like, just what
20:59
is there specific play? Like you know,
21:01
my mine's going to be forever haunted that a
21:03
referee didn't get the right call when when
21:05
we played the Rams in the NFC Championship
21:07
game.
21:08
And you know what I think about,
21:11
Well, there will will a death
21:15
occur, and how
21:17
would we actually respond to
21:20
that as a people?
21:23
And hopefully that never happens.
21:25
But we're in a we're in a sport
21:27
that has some of those levels
21:30
of contact we
21:33
can use the term violence. How
21:36
would we actually respond if
21:39
that occurred. The
21:42
closest we had was a Tomorrow hamblin. Yeah,
21:45
absolutely, and you see how we responded,
21:47
some of us. Some people were paralyzed, some
21:50
people, So it was that
21:52
is what that is? What is just like, Lord,
21:56
what do we do? And are we actually
21:58
truly prepared to have
22:00
those discussions? You know, you can
22:02
put some some things and plans in place,
22:05
but what if this occurs? And then I also think about
22:07
not just real time, but
22:10
you know what if there's a tragedy that happens
22:12
in a team, right is
22:15
is wiped out? You
22:18
know, what are the what are those calls? So those are
22:20
the kind of things not to be But.
22:21
Yeah, you an adult, I'm like a
22:23
kid. I've never thought about.
22:25
They can happen. I mean, think about you know, we
22:27
we're on planes and stuff every day we
22:29
see stuff happening. What if
22:32
something happens to a club. I
22:34
know we have some policies
22:36
and place too, like.
22:38
Real life, like you're saying, like a martial situation,
22:40
no question back in the day, Well.
22:44
How are you going to how are we having that truth?
22:45
Now?
22:46
The conversation is real with the with the
22:48
family, So you
22:51
know, how do we respond to that publicly?
22:54
Is there an answer for that? You got that? You got that if you started
22:56
formulating an answer for that.
22:58
I don't have an answer because
23:00
there's you've got process. But but
23:02
I have to think about it absolutely because
23:04
there's a human element that
23:07
we saw that played itself out
23:09
two years ago.
23:10
It was over, but like we can't play with one
23:13
of the brotherhood goes down for real, for real, Like again,
23:15
there's injuries that happen, and honestly, defensive
23:17
side off the side. You know, going
23:20
into a game, you say a quick prayer, Lord,
23:22
protect both sides of the field. Don't let anybody
23:24
get injured for real real.
23:26
So but those things, when I say, because everything
23:28
else, I feel confident. Yeah, good
23:31
about we got good practices
23:33
redunding, We got good policies, you
23:35
got best practices
23:37
across across the organization.
23:40
But then the thing that happened that there's no one's
23:42
expecting to happen, and now you have
23:44
to have a real it's a it's a true conversation,
23:47
right, and it's not in the manual. It's not something
23:50
that you studied. You know, how
23:52
do we handle how do we handle those things?
23:54
So, I mean, you know, as
23:56
trong as the NFL is, I'm sure there's there's a certain
23:58
sort of guidelines to get back because I mean, at
24:01
one point.
24:01
I'm not saying we don't get back, yeah.
24:03
But I mean to be able to overcome. I mean, we've
24:05
we faced COVID where guys were you
24:07
know, we at one point we flew in two guys
24:09
the night before the game just to just to catch it.
24:12
We played Denver with the with the kid against
24:14
a kid who's playing quarterback who's bagging
24:16
groceries two weeks before, you know, like
24:19
the NFL.
24:20
But machine, no, no, but listen, Cam, Yeah,
24:23
you're.
24:23
Right, we forgo the human element aspect that person
24:26
is still alive, correct,
24:28
So you can bring it.
24:29
I'm talking about can't come back, can't
24:31
come back.
24:33
Yeah.
24:35
So those are the kind of things I know. People like, why why
24:37
would it be think? Because those are things I think about.
24:39
Right, we're traveling all over the world, you
24:42
know, there's a lot that can happen. Germany
24:45
game, Now, what what can happen? What
24:47
what happens if this happens? The
24:49
what ifs?
24:50
Yeah, so what if this New Orleans
24:52
Saints win
24:54
the Super Bowl? And Super Bowl fifty nine and New Orleans?
24:57
That's all I'm dreaming about these.
25:00
But it happened. We saw Tampa do it right?
25:03
Could New Orleans? Could New
25:05
Orleans make that happen right?
25:07
Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans.
25:09
I'm looking forward to that Super Bowl.
25:11
Fifty nine in New Orleans. Are we getting
25:13
excited about it just yet? Like? When when do you get excited
25:15
about it? I got excited about it knowing it was coming because it got
25:17
pushed off for like two years in our way, three
25:19
years, New Stadius popped up, we kept get we got
25:21
we got rolled back, and then it.
25:22
So I started thinking about it
25:25
the night that Kansas
25:27
City closed out fifty eight
25:29
because immediately go to next cycle,
25:32
next cycle, literally you literally
25:34
go all right, we're out of Vegas. Here's
25:37
where we are next year, and then
25:39
you just begin, you know, thinking
25:41
about what are we going to do differently?
25:44
I'm thinking operations, officiating, What
25:47
are we going to do differently from that stadium
25:49
to now going down to New Orleans?
25:51
Right, well, I'll be there, you know what I'm
25:53
saying. I hope so hey, I'm gonna
25:56
be there. Yeah, I'm always I'm always
25:58
there every Super Bowl week, you know, and I would
26:00
love to be on the field and playing.
26:02
That could be well, that'll be three
26:05
actually home teams in the last five.
26:07
Years in the Super Bowl in the Super Bowl?
26:09
Could that? Would that be? Right?
26:10
Tampa? I don't
26:12
know, Lil Wayne's a green Bay charge of green Bay
26:15
fan. But that's fine. We'll get We'll
26:17
get robbed for nine division
26:20
our division right now before the draft.
26:22
Absolutely after the draft, most likely.
26:24
Like Tampa owns that division for whatever reason.
26:27
We I mean, we had the same record, and the
26:29
previous years that they won, they won by you know,
26:31
they had a one game split on us
26:33
own that division or like barely coming out of there. You're
26:35
right, but you can't until you knock
26:38
the fact off.
26:39
They
26:44
either want it or you don't know facts.
26:46
You only good is you only good is the last game.
26:48
I didn't think that was coming.
26:49
From your last conference winch.
26:53
I mean, you're right, Tom bowls doing something
26:55
down there, but go ahead.
26:56
They made it work with Baker Mayfield and then extended
26:58
them, so you know they got something
27:00
going on that I thought they might
27:03
do something with Devin White. Devin White comes back, I
27:05
said, okay, it's not that, not that they were going to go
27:07
in the billion owed.
27:08
Fan of Cam I am a fan of and
27:10
I am a fan of coach Allen.
27:13
I love my guy DAA good
27:15
people, great people. Good you
27:17
know, I've got nothing but the highest respect for especially
27:21
dealing with we had to deal with as first.
27:23
Head coach to coming up. Yeah, good people
27:25
that.
27:26
If that don't show your hard, I don't know what does people.
27:36
So just you know, I know we've talked different
27:38
Pro Bowls and over the years, like I've got
27:40
four kids, You've got you beat me out. You got
27:42
five?
27:43
Right? I have five children and nine grands I just
27:45
had my ninth grand grandson,
27:47
my ninth grandchild, my
27:49
fourth grand boy.
27:51
See, I got young kids. What does it feel
27:53
like watching your kids play
27:56
like? You know, because I'm watching my man's play t ball
27:59
like please don't love it. He's like.
28:01
I watched with a different eye because
28:03
my wife's sitting next to me and
28:05
she's really all into it. I'm
28:08
looking at did he take
28:10
care of the responsibility. I'm just looking
28:12
at it from a different game. But then I have
28:14
to be careful about what I say to him
28:17
afterwards because my
28:20
wife is listening. But it's fun.
28:24
At the same time, I
28:26
think about what I would have done
28:29
differently or differently, like done differently,
28:33
and I'm not trying to be him, but
28:36
I had because I had the opportunity to watch our
28:38
oldest boy, true Troy Junior play
28:40
at n C State and then tront
28:42
at Ohio State, and
28:45
then but watching the game, like I'm
28:47
watching warm up, I'm like, he don't
28:49
he got he don't have to write intensity level to day,
28:52
you know, like you can't just turn
28:54
it on, you know, Like I'm looking at he's
28:56
slipping, like he got to put
28:58
his foot in the ground, put his show over his toe, Like
29:02
do you.
29:02
Ever want to come off the stage, off the stands and
29:04
like go really talk.
29:05
I want to go really talk to him. And then you know,
29:07
my wife is looking at me like, no,
29:09
we be a parent today. Let him be, Let
29:12
let him be. So that
29:14
part has been fun. And now he's with the UFL
29:16
team with Wade Phillips
29:18
down with the United Stamps, no
29:21
brompt the Bromos, Bramos down
29:23
to San Antonio and.
29:24
Once they merged. Now now I've got to re learn the team names
29:26
I had him down.
29:28
So that part has been fun and
29:30
I'm really looking forward to I'm
29:32
hoping. I'm pushing my daughter to
29:35
get her girls playing. Now that flag done,
29:38
jumped off.
29:38
Flag, that's what the NFL is turned into.
29:41
But no, can
29:43
you brought it up.
29:44
I had my daughter played flag and
29:46
she was like, she went back to soccer, and I understood
29:49
it. My oldest son plays play flag.
29:51
That man asked me.
29:52
If I'm not a navocate for the game of football,
29:54
I love it, So why would you allow your daughter
29:56
to go play another to go play soccer?
29:58
Because I believe it.
29:59
I believe it freedom of choice, you
30:01
know, like, at this point, tell me what you love,
30:03
but you have to try something now.
30:05
So you're one of those men that don't want women to have good
30:07
opportunities to play the sport, the great sport of football.
30:09
Are you trying?
30:10
Are you on record? Saying that you're I'm
30:12
here.
30:12
I'm here to support and whatever
30:14
that they want to do. And my baby girl played
30:17
played a full season and I didn't see
30:19
the passion that I wanted to see. And I said, hey, do you want
30:21
to play another She said, no, Dad, I want to play soccer. And
30:23
we took out to soccer. She scored three goals. She said, this is
30:25
what I meant to do and I said, yes, ma'am,
30:28
I'm.
30:28
Looking forward to it. I'm just it's something
30:30
that during the pandemic, she
30:33
missed one. See, that's
30:35
why she needs to just play. How
30:38
does she miss the goal?
30:39
The big old goal at five five
30:41
years old was really muddlehudleball.
30:43
Like she's going to return back to football.
30:45
She's only five, man, I tried, you're
30:48
excited about I'm excited about that
30:50
opportunity to watch potentially
30:52
my kids or my brand kids hit the Olympics.
30:56
I'm really really excited about
30:58
that.
31:00
Last question I have for you now that
31:02
we've talked about flag is how how
31:04
is it knowing that you can catch scholarships
31:07
from flag football from But that's the seven
31:10
on seven like direct relation. Never put
31:12
pads onto But.
31:13
That's the beauty. That's the beauty of the
31:15
sport.
31:16
Yeah.
31:17
So so when you think about football,
31:19
the sport of football, and this is when you
31:21
put it in context, we were probably one
31:23
of the only sports that didn't
31:26
have other other
31:28
ways of with basketball,
31:30
you got five on five, you got three on
31:32
three. You know, you can go on your
31:35
driveway. When the pandemic hit, we
31:37
were forced to study who's
31:40
playing and why they're playing, and there was
31:42
sports that grew inside
31:44
the pandemic that time period when the world
31:47
was on lockdown, and it was like,
31:49
we need to expand what we do, we
31:51
need to welcome other
31:54
forms of the game of football.
31:56
Flag was one why not
31:59
why not young eighties? Why
32:01
should we not support
32:04
young ladies like us playing
32:06
seven on seven, playing
32:08
varsity football at the varsity level,
32:10
earning a scholarship, somebody paying
32:12
for their education and
32:15
they get a chance to play ball and
32:17
just watching it explode, cam
32:20
Man, it's competitive, absolutely, watching
32:22
these young ladies get out. I saw
32:24
we was at the annual meeting and Steve
32:26
Young came back and talked about him coaching
32:29
his daughters, d
32:31
Hot talking about seeing how
32:34
his Flag leads have exploded
32:36
and brought the community together. Hey,
32:39
LA twenty eight flag
32:41
football in the Olympics, laxt year
32:44
in Paris, the World Games like
32:47
this we're going on here.
32:50
In a few weeks, we'll have our twelfth state sanctioned
32:53
girl's varsity flag really
32:55
with Washington. I mean that's a that's
32:59
awesome.
33:00
Love that for my kids. I've got three girls.
33:02
I mean, think about it. That's awesome. Colorado
33:04
went this week, Washington in the coming
33:07
weeks give us twelve
33:09
states and it just keeps
33:11
rolling. This August, n
33:13
C two A will be applying for flag
33:15
football being an emerging sport at the n C two.
33:17
A level, I mean, why
33:19
not? Why not in college? You
33:21
know, Cal has a great field hockey program,
33:24
But I'd rather watch flag football.
33:26
I'd rather watch rugby. But I'm also.
33:29
What do sound like Hardy Nickerson my
33:33
mentor.
33:34
Cobts Hardy Nixon
33:36
Junr. Was in the lead for a little wile.
33:37
You know, I learned the Rogues.
33:40
Yeah, as a PA rep
33:43
and as a player, Hardy
33:45
Nickerson and Reggie White.
33:48
Okay, great, okay, greatness
33:51
personified. I appreciate you tapping in
33:53
anyways, Big Doug. If anything,
33:55
just major blessings for everything that you've
33:57
been over the years to the game, and
34:00
you've always been open with me. So I've got nothing
34:02
but appreciation for you, Cam.
34:03
Thank you for what you do. You're
34:05
an inspiration to many of
34:08
the young men, and as a
34:10
veteran of legend, I love
34:12
to see young men take advantage
34:14
of the resources You've
34:16
been intentional about life
34:19
after the game, of developing
34:21
those skills, the right relationships. I
34:23
just think you're a real model that
34:26
guys in any locker room could
34:28
see. Because it will end, and it's typically
34:31
going to end on somebody else's terms,
34:34
but your intentionality.
34:36
It all, it all has to come to an end.
34:37
But you've been you've been a just
34:40
a star man, a rock star of
34:42
both high performance and
34:45
then the things that you're doing off the field with you and the
34:47
wife and the kids.
34:49
Oh yeah, appreciate it.
34:51
Appreciate it, true inspiration.
34:52
Thank you. You don't want to have been married for thirty thirty
34:55
years. I saw the wedding anniversary
34:58
said thirty. I'm
35:00
gonna have to ask for seekers off the field, but til then, I appreciate
35:02
you.
35:02
Thank you, sir.
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