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across a commotion by the
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police were wrestling a man and
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seen splatter black clothing outside
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of what looked like an arc for
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the two other guys also dressed in
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black were standing on the sidewalk
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filming on whole what's
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going on i am that's
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the george burgess galleries one of the guys
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would rather know they're
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selling hunter bidens paintings
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they're second guy and and so our
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buddy wrote daddy war crimes
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home address our
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bodies kind of famous the first guy
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said what's his name first
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asked fraud weber doesn't
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ring name bell i replied as the cost
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tossed rod weber into their police
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car well he also
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goes by the name epstein didn't kill
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him i guess
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i'd do this
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art basel miami december
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twenty nineteen the last
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time the world's ultra rich and powerful
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gathered together in person before cove
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it shut everything down rod
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, mr epstein didn't kill himself
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he was there
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art basel miami is the most important
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and most prestigious art fair in the world
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this , the fair that keeps most of the big name
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artists and galleries and business business
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december the wealthy the super wealthy
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and the insanely wealthy descend
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upon the miami convention center to
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shop for art the
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dealers at art basel miami
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call opening night the running
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of the billionaires every
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december billionaires run a
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marked on the floor of the miami convention
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center competing with each other
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to buy the most expensive and
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talked about art pieces for sale
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we just can't seem to peel our eyes
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away and two thousand and nine teams
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there was only one people of the to that matters
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is a banana
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then he believed more appealing
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a banana duct taped
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to long
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where prevent the art world it is gaming
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wealth inequality others advised
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not to think that the
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mocking our world what
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marines in atlanta
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mouthfeel catalan the artist
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called his banana duct tape to the wall
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comedian and it sold on
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opening night actually
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parents and catalans gallery sold
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three editions and to artist proof
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artist proof on opening night to
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of the additions and the artist prove sold
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within minutes for one hundred and twenty thousand
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dollars each no parents
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and up the price of the remaining
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edition that , sold
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a few minutes later for one
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars
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the news of the banana and sale
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price spread like wildfire
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the following day it's the burden
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booths was mobbed with mona lisa
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size crowds who came to instagram
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and tic toc the banana around
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two o'clock a man took
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the banana down from the wall field it
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and put it in his mouth this
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to was instagram and six
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david
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a tuna the banana eater said
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the comedian called out to him
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to respond
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art is
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the question mark he later have
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a very with my performance
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i put my question marks after
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that last question was this
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, how artist talk with each other we
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talk fine art this was his art
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and this with my performance this
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was not named autism he
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insisted technically
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this was true the puritan gallery
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wasn't selling a banana duct tape to a
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wall but rather the concept
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of a banana duct tape to a wall the
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, physical material involved with
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a certificate of authenticity and
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a fourteen page instruction booklet that
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explained how to install and maintain
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the comedian according
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to the instructions the banana was to
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be replaced every seven to ten days
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and it was to be duct taped to the wall one
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hundred and seventy five centimeters off the
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ground
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in the end the gallery decided not
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to press charges against david the tuna
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but they didn't duct tape another banana
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to the wall either the
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following morning they explain their decision
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on instagram apologies
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to every once the will not be able to participate
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in comedian they room the
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crowds are just too big and
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they are endangering the other works of
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art in the vicinity but
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all day sunday december eighth
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the parents and both with once again
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marked with crowds of people
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came , instagram and dictum
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dictum banana least banana this
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is when rod weber soda and
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using red lipstick smeared on his face
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he wrote epstein didn't kill himself
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on the blank law
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can
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i introduced myself this to
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with photographed and instagram
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by december
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twenty nineteen epstein didn't kill
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himself had become a rallying
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cry for conspiracy theorists of
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all political persuasions q
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an honors and our kids socialists and proud
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boys all dot behind this meme
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because they all believe that our
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world is run by elites that
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can kill a man even if he's locked
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up in a federal jail cell
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it's unclear if rod
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weber personally, believe epstein didn't
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kill but he most certainly believed
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in the meme a month before
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art basel miami he
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went new hampshire and he trying
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to get on the presidential primary ballot
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as rod epstein didn't
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kill webber my
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name is a didn't kill epstein wherever
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ron weber is also a performance
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artist and he that
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he come to the perinton booth, to
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add another? to
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the? that david tuna had added
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to catalan to work the day before,
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i kind of the precedents here oh
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it's not are you to press charges
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on this time security
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go
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ron epstein didn't kill himself weather
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and the night in jail
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back and twenty nine team i was totally
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fascinated with the story i
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downloaded all the instagram posts
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and tic toc videos i could find i
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read all the interviews with both david
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a tuna and broad esteem didn't
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kill himself weber the
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banana affair seemed like the perfect
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framing for an episode on
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performance or but
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then well i got distracted
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over the huh it is another story caught
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my attention some virus bubbling
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up in china i , think
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i gave the banana banana thought
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until a couple weeks ago
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when i found myself standing across
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the street from mister epstein didn't
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kill himself himself
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i stood there deep in contemplation
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as the police car drove away rod
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epstein didn't kill himself weber's buddies
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chased after then
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then one else would also witnessed this
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confrontation role that there
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was an older man
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pushing a shopping cart
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the wall got the wrong gallery he
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said who me i snapped
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i'm not with those guys well then
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they got the wrong down shirts
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the sign says gee be he
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said pointing at the george's birds
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his gallery son but the george
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bush show that's in another
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gallery down the street
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like i just george bush
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show george bush is
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going to present his new paintings the
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twentieth anniversary of september eleventh
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in the spot where the villa birkin
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luxury swimwear shop used to be
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come on i said laughing then
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he pulled out a sheaf of papers from a shopping
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cart and handed it to me the
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cover page with marked top secret
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and it had the gold presidential
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seal of george w bush on
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flip through the pages
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it was an exhibition checklist sixty
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seven pages of hi rez
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medium sized thumbnails of oil
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painting i recognized
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bush's clunky figuring and drab
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palette that not the subject matter
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these images we're explosive
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yeah destruction sadness
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loss fear and terror
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george bush made
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these i ask
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look he said pointing
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to the image of george bush standing
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on a pile of rubble holding a bullhorn
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underneath with that title the
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portrait as gonna messenger
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many of the images contains
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scenes of unspeakable violence
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and gore
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one was titled flight ninety
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three it depicted the
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inside of an airplane a
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few passengers console the woman holding
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a decapitated channel the
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aisle another group of passengers stood
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ready to march on too dark skinned
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men armed with knives standing
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guard in front of the cockpit where
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did you get this i stammered
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in disbelief from the trash
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outside the empty silber can store
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someone must have thrown it out by accident
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that i've been watching the place and they are definitely
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turning it into an art gallery
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they keep calling in all these packages
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painting size packages okay
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but have you know they're bringing in these
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paintings i asked he jabbed
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his finger on one as a some nails
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i saw this one it wasn't
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wrapped up
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the canvas who is shaped
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like an eyeball
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it was an image of the twin towers
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collapsing on to a crowd of firemen
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policemen and civilians decked
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out in business attire the
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title was the evil eye
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of a mullah omar i
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saw this once i saw them
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bring this once inside
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when i the
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morning
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i flipped back to the front page document
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there were a number of contact the emails and
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phone numbers can i buy
13:47
this from you as
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sure a one hundred dollars he
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replied
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the shopping carts with filled with
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swimwear and chopsticks
13:57
boxes and boxes of trump's
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okay i said wait here
14:03
i just need to go to the eighteen i
14:06
ran across the street into the bodega
14:09
i took one hundred dollars out of the a team but
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when i came out the man was gone
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there was no trace of him or his shopping
14:18
i walked down west broadway to
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where the zebra can store used to be
14:23
the windows were covered with brown
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paper and ancient advertisements
14:28
for luxury speed up i
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knocked on the door
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no one answered
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i stood around for an hour unsure
14:37
of what to do hoping the
14:39
man with a shopping carts would return
14:43
he never did and so
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we home
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i nine eleven i was sleeping
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when my girlfriend phone to tell me a
15:02
plane had just hit one of the world trade
15:04
towers and went back
15:06
to sleep but she phone again
15:08
phone again minutes later and said another plane
15:11
just hit the other tower
15:14
i got out of bed in turn on the radio
15:18
the , thing anyone seem to know for sure
15:20
was the planes had both departed
15:22
from boston boston
15:25
i thought it was a group of crazy
15:27
red sox red i
15:29
know that sounds absurd but
15:31
back then i lived in boston and
15:33
bostonians were always talking
15:35
about how much they wanted to kill the
15:37
yankees back
15:40
then i knew as much about baseball
15:42
rivalry baseball rivalry knew about terrorism
15:45
and al qaeda after
15:48
awhile my friend chris came over
15:50
and we went downstairs to the people's republic
15:54
the , turned the t v on
15:56
forest but he didn't seem to care
15:58
much about what was going on
16:01
i believe we spent the entire day
16:03
and that are watching the towers
16:06
fall again and again
16:11
when i woke up on wednesday i decided
16:14
to document this historic moment
16:17
i had had show at the time it
16:19
was called your radio nightlight
16:21
and over the next few days i tried
16:23
to capture the fear that paranoia
16:26
and the craziness for my show the following
16:28
sunday i even took
16:30
a trip the boston's logan airport to
16:32
investigate my theory about the red
16:35
sox fans but the security
16:37
guards refused to let me end of
16:39
the terminal in
16:42
the end i secretly recorded my
16:44
conversations with a number of my
16:46
friends in order to get their
16:48
true feelings about nine eleven
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i called the episode hijacked
16:55
i never done that before and
16:57
i've never done it again my friend tim
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didn't speak to me for over a year
17:08
for me nine eleven was much
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more than a rude awakening nine
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eleven opened up my eyes and forever
17:15
changed how i saw my country
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it's history and it's future and
17:21
after nine eleven it was easy to see
17:23
that george bush was dead set
17:26
on refreshing the american
17:28
tree of cruelty
17:33
he launched two wars he ordered
17:35
american soldiers to torture and
17:37
enemy combatants to be locked up forever
17:40
without due process george
17:43
, gave fast new powers to
17:45
america's spies and corporations
17:47
thanks to george bush americans
17:49
lost their rights to privacy and
17:51
their labor protections and
17:54
the american people were totally
17:56
on board with all this cruelty we
17:58
cheered on the wars the patriot act
18:01
be compassionate conservatism steep
18:03
transformation of employees
18:05
and to independent contractors but
18:08
most of our we cheered for
18:10
the enhanced interrogations
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i'm not convinced that without the abu
18:18
ghraib photos of american soldiers torturing
18:20
their prisoners george bush would
18:22
have lost his reelection bid and two
18:25
thousand and four but
18:27
he won he won big
18:30
george bush soundly defeated
18:32
the reality based community
18:38
it so much easier to talk about this
18:40
today thanks to donald trump's
18:42
millions of americans now intuitively
18:45
and viscerally understand
18:47
that america has become and
18:49
always was the cruelty
18:52
based community
18:56
but in the aftermath of nine eleven this
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truth was much harder to communicate
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george bush also use nine eleven
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to weaponize patriotism so
19:07
all criticism was anti american
19:09
traitorous seasons the rejection
19:12
of techno optimism with
19:14
blasphemy the
19:17
bush years were extremely
19:20
extremely difficult for me
19:26
this is why i took a pilgrimage
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to the inauguration a barack obama
19:31
in two thousand nine i
19:34
, not to watch the swearing in
19:36
but rather but out
19:41
i'll never forget standing
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there in the crowd in the freezing cold
19:45
screaming with joy as
19:47
bush's helicopter sword
19:49
off into the system
19:58
day
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i've been harboring a delusion
20:03
a delusion that george bush would
20:05
one day be held accountable
20:08
for his crimes and
20:11
when it was announced that the us is
20:13
exit from afghanistan would
20:15
coincide with the twentieth anniversary
20:18
of nine eleven my delusions
20:20
intensify the
20:23
coverage of the afghan pullout
20:26
brought me back to my senses many
20:28
of the report never even mentioned
20:31
george bush at
20:33
first i imagined him
20:35
driving around on his texas ranch
20:37
shooting rifles up into the air and whooping
20:40
triumphantly
20:41
he did it he escaped the judgment
20:44
of history surely bush with
20:46
his status then
20:49
a week it
20:50
that was staking out the former
20:52
ville beacons luxury swimwear star
20:55
watching men in black hauling
20:58
large kansas sized packages
21:00
into the space
21:02
i realized
21:03
the wrong george bush
21:06
is a heartless and petty man he's
21:08
incapable of seeing his
21:10
eraser from the story of america
21:12
as disasterous two trillion twenty
21:14
year misadventure in afghanistan
21:17
as a blessing or a guest
21:19
for george bush
21:21
this deletion
21:23
the ultimate insult why
21:26
else would he choose to mount a show
21:28
of his nine eleven paintings and a pop
21:30
up gallery near ground zero
21:33
the angry
21:34
that we no longer remember his cruelty
21:37
he wanted to make sure
21:39
we never forget again
21:51
it was a hacker who first tip the world
21:53
after george bush's artistic ambition
21:57
in february twenty thirteen marcella
21:59
the original do suffer hacked
22:02
into george bush sr dorothy's
22:04
aol account the
22:07
discovered an email from the former
22:09
presidents with thirteen image
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attachments george bush
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with proudly showing off his first
22:15
paintings with his extended family
22:19
goose of her in turn share these
22:21
paintings with the world
22:24
mean girl bloggers and muckraking critics
22:27
had a field day bushes renderings
22:29
of dogs and cats were roundly
22:32
mocked this this
22:34
it never happened george bush most
22:36
certainly would have moved on to another
22:39
post presidential hobby
22:41
per say
22:42
the beach shooting but the cruel
22:44
ridicule motivated him to stick
22:46
with stick
22:48
the hired a slew of art instructors and
22:50
hunkered down in his studio
22:52
they the rembrandt trapped in this bodies
22:55
your job is deliberate him bush
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shouted at gail norfleet one
22:59
of his first teachers it
23:03
was cedric huckabee another early
23:05
instructor who came up with the idea for
23:07
bush's first big series portraits
23:10
of wounded warriors portraits
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of wounded former soldiers bush had
23:15
met during mountain bike rides and
23:17
open golf outings organized by the
23:19
bush institute in
23:22
two thousand and seventeen bush debuted
23:25
portraits of courage traveling
23:28
art exhibits and books containing sixty
23:30
six oil portraits and a for
23:32
panel mural four
23:34
years after the hacking george bush
23:37
dared the world to laugh at him again
23:40
portraits of courage got tons of press
23:43
coverage but series art critics
23:45
barely glanced at the paintings
23:47
bush was myth
23:48
no one seems to notice the most
23:50
courageous and most wounded warrior
23:53
at the center the whole thing
23:59
the next project george bush decided
24:02
to up the steaks he decided
24:04
to go for woke he decided
24:06
to paint immigrants
24:08
he spent three years painting forty three
24:11
portraits of famous an ordinary
24:13
people who have all immigrated
24:15
to america again
24:19
he organized a traveling art exhibit and
24:21
a book called out of many
24:23
one
24:26
bush's plan for the exhibition and
24:28
the book release or totally offended
24:31
by the corona virus there
24:33
were no parties and know gala dinner
24:36
like many artists george bush was
24:38
heartbroken that is new work had
24:40
to compete for attention with a global
24:42
pandemic that was killing hundreds
24:44
of thousands of americans with no end
24:47
in sight the
24:49
invited a number of prestigious art
24:51
critics to visit his studio so
24:53
he could show off his paintings and talk
24:55
about them once
24:57
again
24:58
the critics didn't engage the
25:01
only bookings he got were for network
25:03
tv
25:05
the morning shows and the weekend
25:07
morning shows and
25:10
the video for cbs a sunday morning
25:13
you can see that george bush's
25:15
unhappy you can totally
25:17
see that he's frustrated and confused
25:20
as to why his woke posturing isn't
25:22
resonating
25:24
the portraits that you have done a
25:26
beautiful
25:28
the how does it change policy
25:30
it doesn't
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but it's it's a part of hopefully
25:35
creating a better understanding
25:37
about
25:39
the role of emigration our society
25:42
are mine is just a small voice
25:45
what i hope is a chorus of
25:47
people saying
25:50
let's see if we can solve the problem
25:54
there was something in that cbs sunday
25:56
morning interview that resonates with
25:58
me
25:59
the studio tucked in the corner behind
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a giant portrait of a man's of indeterminate
26:04
ethnicity i thought a corner
26:07
another kansas a distinctly
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rounded corner
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the corner
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of an eyeball shaped kansas
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the
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narrative david a tune is our basel miami
26:29
our performance broke a number of critics
26:31
suspected that the sun had been cordoned
26:34
this wasn't true the two men
26:36
didn't even know each other but it's understandable
26:39
why this interpretation spread married
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steel katelyn duct tape the banana to
26:43
a wall and david the to and it took it down
26:45
in aided the
26:47
, of performance expanded the
26:49
aesthetic aura of comedian
26:53
comedian brought more attention and more value
26:56
to the work of art in
26:58
the future when museums like the
27:00
guggenheim who now one guggenheim who the additions
27:02
displeased comedian bill need to employ
27:05
multiple security guards to ensure
27:07
no one else eats their precious banana
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now even though the wall rod epstein
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didn't kill himself weber attacked was banana
27:16
all this is lipstick traces were
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still a threat to the artworks aesthetic
27:20
aura broad , didn't
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kill himself weber's performance threatened to
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connect the comedian with a course
27:27
in nasty mean rod
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epstein didn't kill himself weber's art performance
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threatened to devalue the very
27:34
concept of one hundred and fifty thousand
27:36
dollar banana duct tape to tape wall
27:38
but in order
27:40
to truly understand why rod
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epstein didn't kill himself weber went to jail
27:45
while david a tuna did not well
27:47
dear listener we must we examined these
27:49
to performance pieces we ,
27:51
take a closer look
27:55
rod epstein didn't kill himself weber accuse
27:58
art basel miami of him
27:59
arrested because they rejected the political
28:02
message of his art this
28:04
, not true even if ride
28:06
it seemed didn't killings of weber said scribbled
28:08
the lyrics to the same as louis prima some yeah
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we have no been and
28:11
today on the parrot in law he still
28:14
would have spent the night in prison broad
28:17
, didn't kill himself whether we to
28:19
jail jail of his of
28:23
when you watch the video of david the tuna eating
28:25
the banana the first thing you notice
28:27
is how com he is there are no sudden
28:30
movements he doesn't even speak with a mouthful
28:32
he looks like an art professor the gonna our
28:34
professor who guess lectures at top tier universities
28:37
and as i'm and schools but
28:39
when you watch the video of rod estes in
28:41
terms of weber writing epstein didn't
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kill himself on didn't blank wall the
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first thing you notice is the red lipstick
28:48
smeared all over his lipstick and his hands
28:51
he moves with the jerky hands of
28:53
a dangerous person he looks
28:55
like the kind of guy who asked you for spare
28:58
change and then be rates you for having
29:00
a flat ass when you say sorry a
29:02
i don't have any cash but
29:05
the most problematic aspects of any
29:07
epstein but kill himself weber's presentation
29:10
is the beard he's got one of
29:12
those six scraggly pubic hair style
29:14
beard sprouting from his chin the
29:16
red lipsticks makes it look totally
29:18
revolting are
29:20
basil miami had no choice
29:22
but the hall him away
29:27
the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven
29:29
the fast approaching
29:31
it was time for me
29:33
the act
29:34
i had to destroy george bush's paintings
29:37
before he unveiled them to the were and
29:40
i had to destroy their owners
29:42
the
29:44
disposing of the paintings would be easy
29:47
on e bay i found this antique
29:49
clown seltzer bottle and i filled
29:51
it with a bright red viscous in
29:54
i would hold those paintings down and
29:56
bullied them to death
29:59
dealing with
29:59
the orange was going to be more difficult
30:03
this is why i decided to
30:05
storm the pop up art gallery dressed
30:08
as rod epstein didn't kill himself
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weber on amazon
30:13
i bought a black t-shirt a black baseball
30:15
cap and a black sanitary mask
30:17
all emblazoned with the phrase epstein
30:20
didn't kill himself i made
30:22
my very own pubic hair beard and
30:24
attached it to the inside of my
30:27
epstein didn't kill himself mask thanks
30:29
to covered i had confidence
30:32
that confidence could pull this disguise off
30:35
i also constructed a performance
30:37
can
30:38
using a chiropractic neck brace and
30:41
a sophie stick i built a holster
30:43
from my phone
30:44
i was able to set the angle just right
30:47
i knew beard would feature prominently
30:49
in every show not
30:52
even the concept of george bush's
30:54
nine eleven paintings could survive
30:56
my performance
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on tuesday september seventh i
31:02
put on my costume and took a cab
31:04
to the former ville broken store in soho
31:08
the windows were still taped at
31:11
this time the door slightly
31:14
ajar i
31:16
took out my clown seltzer bottle adjusted
31:19
my sake beard and masks yanked open
31:21
the door and ran inside
31:25
it , a pop up broz
31:27
boost the a's and balcon it's hung from the ceiling
31:29
for sale smears of all
31:31
shapes and sizes covered the walls
31:34
they even had an eyeball shaped mere
31:37
mere me i me a
31:39
saleswoman wearing a busty core sets
31:42
mistook my fuck me as an outburst
31:44
directed at her and she started
31:46
screaming she help no
31:48
no no don't scream i cried pulling down
31:50
my masks this is performance
31:52
art but then my beard
31:55
performance pubic hair beard came loose
31:59
the underwear desks she was shrieking
32:02
now pointing at the fake beard on the floor
32:04
totally hysterics
32:08
i doubt the fake beard with the clown
32:10
seltzer bought the ,
32:12
sainted sainted caught her just
32:14
before she tumbled into the giant puddle
32:16
of red of then
32:19
a well dressed couple came in from the street
32:22
what's going on here what happened to
32:24
the ville birkin store they
32:26
closed i replied as replied
32:28
eased the saleswoman into were chair this
32:30
saleswoman into performance art space now
32:38
and it i raced down west broadway
32:40
setting my epstein didn't kill himself masks
32:43
and hat and t shirt i
32:45
can hear in the distance
32:47
the distinct sound of a shopping
32:51
and
33:08
he had been listening to benjamin
33:10
workers theory of everything
33:13
is in sutherland is
33:14
performance
33:27
this episode was written and produced by
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me sentiment walker special
33:31
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33:33
mathilde via the
33:36
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