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The example that comes to mind is...
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out and support my old lady. I had flown
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up to Kansas City twice to meet with Andy
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Reid and the Chiefs. Me and Andy Reid had
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a great relationship when I was in the draft.
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This is a crazy story. I haven't really told this to many
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people. Top's
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Off World Tour, Erie, Pennsylvania, Fairbourn,
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Ohio, Atlantic City, Salisbury, Maryland, April
1:05
4th, I'm coming to Chicago, then
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Columbus, Knoxville, Harrisonburg, Virginia, Columbia, South
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Carolina, Birmingham, Alabama, Clarksville, Tennessee, Louisville,
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Kentucky. Top's Off World Tour. So
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I'm down there quite a bit with Tony
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Hinchcliffe and... Oh, you know Tony? Very well.
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Oh, you guys line up fucking perfectly. We
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have been here. Hold on. Are
1:26
you rolling? Tony's
1:28
a great guy. Tony doesn't get any better than Tony
1:30
Hinchcliffe. He's...
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I've known him for a long time, but
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he's a legit dude. A quick Tony story. The
1:38
first night I did a set
1:41
at the... It's a big thing for comics
1:43
is getting passed as a paid regular at
1:45
the store. And I was older when I
1:47
got passed. It was kind of embarrassing a
1:49
little bit. And I didn't
1:52
tell anybody. I was like, you know, whatever.
1:54
I got bumped by four, like three times
1:57
and I got done and I was really proud of
1:59
myself. The only person that knew I've been
2:01
past was Tony. He just came up on the
2:03
DL and he was like congrats I was like, oh, thanks.
2:06
He's like I'm gonna do a shot. I was like fuck
2:08
yeah for for a guy That's like as funny as he
2:10
is and like does what he does. He's very Caring
2:13
about the people that are around him and his friends
2:15
and seeing little things like that He's very attentive to
2:17
the detail and that side of things because for you
2:19
I can only imagine you
2:21
know hearing that story and and How
2:24
big of a like hurdle that was for
2:26
you to clear and climb and get over
2:28
especially in the I'm learning a lot more
2:30
Is about the comedy game just spending time
2:32
in Austin just being around the mother
2:35
ship being around Joe and him and now we get
2:37
A time with Joe. I've spent a little bit of
2:39
time with Joe I probably spent more time with Shane
2:41
down there that he's been down there So
2:43
it's been of course you I got a
2:45
chance I got a chance to
2:48
go to this is you know, and Tony
2:50
Ohio State is it for him, right? Yeah,
2:52
so they'll have a shape Michigan for Tony.
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Yeah for Tony. Oh, you know, we
2:56
go out in Austin we're all pretty beat up after
2:58
a night out she's like right after Thanksgiving and
3:01
He's like you have to be at this
3:03
bar tomorrow morning for the game. It
3:06
is Ohio State. It is Michigan You have to
3:08
go. It's the game It's about
3:10
930 in the morning. I'm peeling myself off this bed
3:12
trying to get up and go to this bar He's
3:15
got a jersey waiting for me all this and it's literally
3:17
me Shane Tony
3:19
and Jamie Joe's producer and
3:22
we probably had he just got to Austin
3:25
So he really hadn't been out in the
3:27
streets very much and we had an absolute
3:29
day on 6th Street in Austin There's nothing
3:31
better than day drinking. It's there's nothing better
3:33
than day drinks In
3:36
my opinion the reason I'll never quit drinking is
3:38
because of day drinking if you told me Hey,
3:40
man, if I sat down in an AA
3:42
meeting and they were like, here's the deal. We just misread
3:44
the book You can day drink you
3:47
just can't night drink. You got to
3:49
call it it like you got to call it like I Set
3:52
when it gets real dark not a sunset, but when it
3:54
gets real dark, I'd be like I'll
3:56
be on meetings every day. Fuck. Yeah, I can get
3:58
in what I need to get done during the day.
4:00
By the time eight or nine o'clock rolls around, I'm
4:02
good to go home. And
4:04
it as as photographs the have vehemence a you
4:06
see my you have a good handle on how
4:09
boy on Instagram southern of see my job. decent
4:11
handle on been able to turn it on when
4:13
you need to go and be unable to turn
4:15
off all the that's gotta be an acquired skill
4:17
I haven't always as. It's
4:20
I read about Zuma. I just recently
4:22
had like a had a run where
4:25
I got wilde out of control. Like
4:27
just not even bad. Like I don't
4:29
think. I'm. I think if he
4:32
deceived me, Alcide bird are. Internally
4:34
I realize I was like of have ghanem were
4:36
really bad. I was nervous be as fat. I'm.
4:39
Not I'm not getting into the gym as much
4:41
as I want to. And so I
4:43
just a pulled back for like three months
4:45
and then. And. Then not amends,
4:47
want my cruz and then cranked up what are
4:49
you what he called us all times you've gone
4:51
banners I still I still am trying to come
4:53
up with the new word for probably the stretch
4:55
of a. If. I go on more
4:57
of the real. go on vacation for a week
5:00
and then just won't come back home for three
5:02
weeks now. turn a one week vacation and and
5:04
two or three at all really want to call
5:06
it when say it's a bender necessarily. Bender Like
5:08
benders. People's Summit on benders. Before we bought been
5:10
on, been as gentle and the past that like
5:12
us, a blur. Are you gonna wake up and
5:14
you'll a group of what the hell's going on
5:17
type of thing? I wouldn't call these vendors. I'm
5:19
looking for a new word for it for sure,
5:21
right? So I have appears right, call, get a
5:23
gum on the wagon, were like and then out
5:25
and then appears were like. Ride the Horse.
5:27
Stress says I run a horse at full
5:29
sprint and there's nothing more exciting and there
5:32
is a feeling. When. You're realizing
5:34
him and there's no rules to for
5:36
tonight. I will have a them due
5:38
tomorrow. Or the wakes up and go to
5:40
a bar marine rather work hard and get more going
5:42
to fuckin' put it away wet. And we're
5:44
going to get it up in the morning and be
5:47
like yo Yo Ride again today! I love I love
5:49
Cut Loose and will think I'll ever. I
5:51
don't think. and I think that's one of the things.
5:54
That I just. It's
5:57
done artist reason I'll never use of only reason
5:59
never could drink cause there's a. There's.
6:01
A fun like i'm a taxi was saying right now.
6:04
Because he I have a car I do. These things
6:06
are concept or shows. Where. I tell everyone
6:08
don't go to work. I'm
6:10
doing a Jos Club at noon. It's Winston
6:12
Churchill's Bert the day died. So. I.
6:15
Wake. Up. I. Have cigar for
6:17
breakfast, saw scotch and or zeus
6:19
in bed with coffee and a
6:21
paper. I said there for three
6:24
hours, finished his car, maybe have another saw
6:26
scotch, take a bath and abolish amp aim,
6:28
put on a fuckin three piece suit and
6:30
I go to jazz club at noon and
6:33
it sold out and like fuckin three minutes
6:35
because everyone loves that reason that a drink
6:37
and I texted singular Lego yo. Ah,
6:42
But. A drunken on twenty that the same
6:44
someone. Who. Will always deny like
6:46
oh, as I can't I can't I
6:48
can't Not me. I'm by mom, Try
6:50
to be healthy. But. I bully the
6:52
fuck outta that guy and I'll be like m
6:54
I wrote a wrote to him. This is my
6:56
favorite. Taxed. I
6:58
wrote the same ah in only put the
7:01
glasses on a serious fuck him up so
7:03
old at the. I. Wrote the
7:05
same. Ah, I
7:09
said you'd be and tell him and twenty four thing as
7:11
I should be. A summit club at noon
7:13
when since her till day com drink with me
7:16
and he goes know. And. I said
7:18
I couldn't do it cause it's work to
7:20
so do a spot. He said no I
7:22
said it's can be a glass or school
7:24
start drinking and eight am he goes. Saw.
7:27
Is Scary. My. And I love
7:29
the opportunity more than anything to change your mind.
7:31
This is gonna be my project for the next
7:33
two weeks. And trust me, when you start drinking
7:35
with me on January twenty fourth at Ten am
7:37
it'll be the happiest I've ever made me wrote
7:40
I know it was an awesome the I'm I
7:42
have become the those the southern states are so
7:44
so it dies. It's so. Fuckin.
7:47
Fun! It I've I've I
7:49
did a viral speech on barstool about
7:51
while never quit drinking as others with
7:54
the best is breaking someone's spirit. Like.
7:56
breaking them and watching them say
8:00
All right, fuck it. Like that's the greatest. And it's
8:02
great when it happens to me. Like I love when
8:04
it happens to me when I go, no, no, no,
8:06
no, no, no, I'm not, I'm actually, I'm
8:09
kind of keeping, trying to stay healthy and
8:11
so, and then there's certain people, and Shane's
8:13
one of those people who can break me
8:15
every, Rogan breaks me every time. Yeah, because
8:17
Rogan always hits me up with these like,
8:19
yo man, you gotta be healthy, you know,
8:21
but polar plunge, sauna, testosterone. And when it
8:23
comes, it comes in a way, but when
8:25
he wants to flip you off that script
8:27
and get you to somewhere else, you
8:30
just break your spirit like that, it just crumbles.
8:32
One whiskey, one whiskey. That's it?
8:34
Yeah, come on, it's three. And
8:36
you're like, then it's over. I'll do
8:39
one. What's that point here? And then there's
8:41
a couple of times where Joe's sitting on the corner watching
8:43
me ride the horse in the field back and forth, and
8:45
he's just like, dude, he's going fast as fuck, he's gonna
8:47
fall. I
8:49
think he probably takes a little joy in that too. Now
8:51
that you're speaking about it, and I think about it, the more time
8:54
I spend at Minsie's in Austin,
8:56
the more time I spend around the mothership, Tony
8:58
does the same thing to me. He knows exactly
9:00
how to get me in my little niche
9:02
to bring out, I think it's, looking
9:05
at it from a different point, I think that's a
9:08
group of good guys who are able to pull out
9:10
the best in people. Pull out a side of people,
9:12
a side of yourself, that for me,
9:14
the way my life has gone, I feel like I'm
9:17
a little more regarded in the party and stuff, and
9:19
just try not to show it too much. I'm still
9:21
very much in the same boat as you, where I'm
9:24
a guy, I enjoy my life, I'm gonna
9:26
live my life to the fullest, and
9:29
do things to put a smile on my face. And when
9:31
you get around people that bring out the best in you,
9:34
even when you don't wanna do it, even when you may be on
9:36
a different path, and you look back at
9:38
it and it really didn't hinder you or affect you that much,
9:40
in the grand scheme of things, I have
9:42
some of my best stories, from best memories
9:44
from times like this. Oh, someone
9:48
said to me, when I stopped drinking, it
9:51
was like a dude, everyone in recovery always wants
9:53
to tell you, you're an alcoholic and you have
9:55
a problem, and they're always really, I
9:58
think it's, Was
10:00
it displacement where they tell you their feelings
10:02
and I just had bobby lee tell me yesterday he goes, you know, you're
10:05
an alcoholic and I was like Yeah, i'm
10:07
not you Like I I
10:09
respect that I I hear your opinion, but
10:11
i'm me My wife doesn't say it. My
10:13
kids don't say it. My parents don't say it.
10:15
My sisters don't say it Like that's where that's
10:17
where my head's at and I know me I
10:20
know what I know what it must be like
10:22
to be you but i'm just me and so you I
10:24
I hear you I love you but I'm
10:28
doing good. But but the thing
10:30
about guys like joe is
10:32
joe just inspires you in
10:35
like He I
10:37
I always say I hung I only hang around
10:39
mother motherfuckers I say i'm a mako shark around
10:41
a bunch of great whites You can't
10:44
tell that i'm not a great white up close Like
10:46
when they're all attacking they're like, oh he's badass and
10:48
then but when some of them are self sometimes you're
10:50
like wait That's not a great white So
10:52
that's a that's a level of just what you're
10:54
talking about is just self-awareness and knowing yourself You
10:57
know people look at my life your life from
10:59
what you see through instagram what we show them
11:01
what you put out to the world But being
11:03
self-aware and knowing yourself and knowing what you are
11:05
how you operate how you tick And
11:08
you know, we'll probably be sitting here looking back on
11:10
this maybe one day down the line and be like
11:12
what damn two alcoholics doing a podcast We'll be we'll
11:14
be in rehab together going man. We should have we'll
11:17
be in passage The The
11:22
one thing I identified the most with you and I
11:24
and I I've watched
11:27
your documentary. I think I dm'd you in
11:29
the middle of your documentary on uh on
11:31
netflix and i've watched a lot of your
11:33
stuff I watched I loved
11:37
Everything about watching you play. It was so
11:40
fun. I loved watching your life and
11:42
the one thing I identified the most with was
11:47
your ability to say This
11:50
actually wasn't for me. I understand that for
11:53
everyone on the outside looking in This
11:55
was the life you wanted for me, but
11:58
when I got there, this isn't what I actually wanted.
12:00
I had I went to a
12:03
party one time when I was a young comic, I was married
12:05
to my wife, I was dating my wife, and there was this
12:07
comic who was better than me, he was already doing bigger things
12:09
than me and he quit. And I remember
12:11
going like, what the fuck? This is my
12:13
mindset. You only fail if you quit,
12:15
you only fail if you quit. And they were
12:17
having a going away party in LA and I said, I can't go. She
12:20
goes, what I don't want to celebrate losing.
12:22
And that was my mindset. And my
12:24
wife, who's the smartest person I know,
12:27
said, how brave of him
12:29
to decide this isn't what he wants. And
12:32
I said, what? She goes, you don't have that bravery.
12:35
Like this guy's saying to all his friends, I've
12:37
tried this and I want something else. And
12:40
I was like floored. And this guy now
12:42
has like three kids lives in Boston, has
12:44
his own insurance company. He's happy as fuck.
12:46
He's not partying at all. He like has
12:49
parties with his friends on the weekend. But
12:51
he still loves comedy. He still loves it.
12:53
I was like, oh wait, yeah,
12:55
I just love comedy too. Like he just has a
12:57
beautiful life. And I went and that chain and I,
13:00
I swear to God, when I watched your thing, I
13:02
thought of the conversation with my wife because
13:06
the average
13:08
person, my friends, all
13:10
my friends, I'll name
13:13
them so they can hear this. South
13:15
Caranate, Kamen Lazara, Sean Hooker, Jay Lanford,
13:17
Blake Casper, Jeff Hartley, Jason Clark, I
13:19
can name all of them. We
13:22
all fucking peaked in college. Like we had,
13:24
you had these moments where you were like,
13:27
you were like, fuck yeah. And then there
13:29
is a moment where you have to say
13:31
to yourself, fuck, I guess I'm not
13:33
gonna be a doctor or I won't be a
13:35
lawyer. I'm not gonna be a politician because you,
13:37
everyone has these grand dreams. You on the other
13:39
hand, got to achieve a lot of these dreams
13:41
and then realize like all
13:43
dudes out there, fuck,
13:46
this isn't the life for me. Yeah, I knew it
13:48
really quickly. It's funny that you said, I mean, I
13:50
appreciate you saying that because you really did hit the
13:52
nail on the head in that sense. And that's kind
13:54
of what I wanted. You know, the
13:56
documentary for me was such a freeing, like get
13:58
a chance, you know, for a long time
14:00
after everything happened and leaving the NFL and doing all this,
14:02
I went into a reclusive mode. I
14:05
went into how do I make this disappear
14:07
and I really felt the weight of what
14:09
everybody else was saying about how my life
14:11
should be lived. I knew from
14:14
a very early time when I got to Cleveland, damn,
14:18
maybe this isn't... I went really, really
14:20
far down this path and maybe this
14:23
isn't what I enjoy doing anymore. And slowly
14:25
but surely, day by day, month by month, then
14:27
joy and the love that I have for
14:29
the game of football just slowly started to
14:31
drain. I remember in Texas A&M as
14:33
we're going out to a practice field, I'm as
14:35
chipper and upbeat and happy as you could be
14:37
going to practice to get better. When
14:40
I would put a helmet on and walk out the door in Cleveland
14:42
onto that cold ass field, I would sit there and be like,
14:44
man, I can't wait for this final whistle to blow
14:47
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14:49
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14:51
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18:44
then I remember coach Martin said to me, you're not
18:46
going to start, but we can always use
18:48
a bullpen catcher. And I
18:50
remember thinking, Oh, these guys
18:53
would relish that opportunity. I
18:55
will not spend six years, five
18:57
years being grinding your ass off to be a
18:59
bullpen guy. And his coach and his son, Mike
19:01
Martin was a catcher also ended up playing for
19:04
the Expos. And I knew that his son
19:06
was a catcher because I think we were supposed to play Legion
19:08
ball in the summer. And I bailed on that, bailed on that
19:10
to party. And
19:12
I walked off the field. I
19:15
remember I had a pledge pin on too. And he was like,
19:17
you can take that shit off. I was like, we're not allowed
19:19
to take it off. I don't know if you know about hazing,
19:21
but it's pretty breakfast. Actually I don't know. Coach,
19:24
if you could just keep on the DL, I'm going to keep
19:27
it on. And I walked off.
19:29
I walked down left field foul
19:33
line to where the bill plan catchers were and
19:35
the pitchers were throwing. And
19:37
I kept walking. I just, I couldn't stop
19:40
it all the way to the bar. I
19:42
walked out the left field fence. I walked,
19:45
I walked to my
19:47
dorm, chili Willie, Paul, Paul,
19:49
Paul, Paul, I fuck
19:51
Paul. I can't remember Paul's last name
19:53
Chandler and PJ were all smoking
19:56
weed in the, in my dorm room.
19:58
And we used to this thing called time travel. Where.
20:00
We had. A we had aluminum foil
20:02
macabre poked holes with lights were sort look
20:05
like stars and we the people you're highly
20:07
on the ground and just pretend we were
20:09
in space. And. I still and
20:11
a full baseball uniform. Laid.
20:13
Down Smoke Pot look to their and I was like
20:15
i think I'm a don't Kim I liked his Partington.
20:18
Think I'm a really lean into the partying. And
20:20
it it worked out. What a what a
20:23
while diverse in there at that point time
20:25
looking back on then everybody around you at
20:27
any sense or any. You. Know grown
20:29
up in them or any type of you know
20:31
success story member board you're going to go up.
20:33
Don't be like you know what? I'm going to
20:35
pursue this career of. Doing. What the fuck
20:38
I want and having a good time with it? And.
20:40
It's crazy until it works out. Know it's
20:42
crazy until you see here today and you're
20:44
going on tours around the country doing what
20:46
makes you happy as I think for me.
20:49
Now if the football stuff has you, go down
20:52
here. You know your rookies. you draft in the
20:54
first round santa five year deal. he knows you're
20:56
a year and a this you realize oh fuck
20:58
you know this is it. And.
21:00
Know. This is and what I
21:02
thought it was gonna be. This is a what's making
21:04
me happy and this is where my life's or to
21:06
change and I think I didn't know how to get
21:08
out of it. In was a twenty one twenty two
21:10
year old old you to get out of. nobody wanted
21:12
to. There was too much money riding on, there was
21:14
too much. Of fame and notoriety in
21:16
there. So then I was never enough for that,
21:18
You know, when I played my best and I.
21:21
Played. The way that you saw on
21:23
Saturdays and and Kyle Field in college
21:25
football. That was all genuine, organic, In.
21:28
Love and passion for the game, and when
21:30
it got the next level, I never have
21:32
one single time ever got a sliver of
21:34
that same kind. Use. That same
21:36
time to buzz So you're sitting there with
21:38
in or three years left on a five
21:40
year deal on all this money and all
21:42
these endorsements and all the stuff. I didn't
21:44
have the ability or the wherewithal to sit
21:47
down and look somebody in the face my
21:49
dad, or somebody be like. Hey
21:51
man, we need to start planning for a
21:53
different avenue of planning on. You know there
21:55
was no. From.
21:58
where i come from from texas If
22:00
you get to the point that I got to, football
22:02
is always life from the time you're 12 years old,
22:05
14, 16, 18,
22:08
play at a Texas, you know, college,
22:10
a major college. It's what you do.
22:12
You know, it's everything. It's what makes you
22:15
huge. It's what makes your ego
22:17
big. It's what makes your name, your brand.
22:19
Everything is all about football in the state of Texas. So
22:22
how do you go to a full
22:24
group of Texas people, my family, my agent,
22:26
my everybody, and look them in the face
22:28
and be like, we got to
22:30
find a different avenue for what I'm going to do in life
22:32
and where I'm going to go from this because this is
22:35
not sustainable. This is not
22:37
something that I can keep up this charade
22:39
in this game that I'm having to play
22:41
to be in this position. I
22:43
don't have the ability to do. And that's a
22:46
tough thing. It took me a long time to
22:48
really look back and realize that. I can't imagine.
22:51
I can't imagine all. I'm
22:54
curious. I'm curious. Two things.
22:57
Do you think? I don't know if you had played
22:59
all the whole time at Texas A&M. That's a
23:02
good question. Do you think you would have had
23:04
a different approach to the NFL? So
23:07
what you're talking about, about how you
23:09
wanted to be a part here and you
23:11
wanted to do this and you ended
23:13
up making a career out of it. Unfortunately,
23:15
that's somewhat frowned upon as you're an
23:17
NFL quarterback. So
23:21
the NFL quarterback life that I saw
23:23
except for Brett Favre. Except for Brett
23:25
Favre. If I had an
23:27
arm like Brett Favre, I probably would have got away with it.
23:30
And for Brett Favre too, this is something I saw
23:33
you had Jules on the other day. Me
23:35
and Edelman have known each other and been
23:37
in somewhat similar circles for years. Look
23:40
at that guy's story and the opportunity that
23:42
he got to go into with a team
23:44
like the New England Patriots. With a coach
23:46
like Bill Belichick where he gets to sit
23:49
on this couch and tell you amazing stories
23:51
that will lighten you up on the
23:53
inside about how awesome Tom Brady was,
23:55
about how awesome the guys he had
23:57
around him was. I had that with
23:59
the guys. in Cleveland. Unfortunately, I didn't
24:01
have that with the entirety of the organization.
24:04
So getting to, I was
24:07
just in a different situation, a different place in the
24:09
sense that I didn't get that love. My
24:11
confidence in my game shrunk to
24:14
a minuscule level by the time
24:16
I got there. And going back
24:18
to what we were talking about, the A&M
24:20
situation, I don't think I could have
24:22
stayed two years longer just because
24:24
of what my off the field looked like. Yeah,
24:26
Tuesdays were Taco Tuesday straight to
24:29
the bar. Wednesday was this. So
24:31
for my first year at A&M, my freshman year
24:33
when I went to Heisman, I'm in the best
24:36
shape on the team. I got in trouble before
24:38
that season. I had a fake ID. It was
24:40
July 4th. I love that you got fake ID's
24:42
from China out of a toy car. I feel
24:45
fucking greatest. I feel greatest forever. I'll never forget
24:47
it. I remember seeing this website.
24:49
This guy came back, he picked a state and
24:52
it comes in a remote control toy car and
24:54
it came to the house. I think my mom
24:56
actually got it. She's like, you got a toy
24:58
car here at the house for you. I'm in the
25:00
car already burning
25:04
rubber through College Station in this
25:06
truck to go pick this up. But my mom,
25:08
don't touch it, just leave it there. She's like,
25:11
she thinks it's a bomb or something. She doesn't
25:13
know what it is the way that I'm reacting.
25:15
And I get two perfect
25:17
fake IDs out of the bottom
25:19
of the toy car. You take it apart and they were
25:21
right there on top. I can't believe the Anna. And I've
25:23
seen a lot of content
25:25
on you. I have so many notes on
25:28
this. I have so many
25:30
notes on this because okay, I start
25:32
with the fake IDs. I heard one guy be like,
25:34
and then can you imagine he handed
25:36
another fake ID to a cop and I went, yeah,
25:39
yeah, you guys call rolling the fucking dice. You
25:41
just don't get it. That's also the guy that
25:43
decides to fucking run from the 40 yard line.
25:46
And that's your understanding as a fucking pro athlete.
25:48
You don't, you take chances. Like you, you're
25:50
not, you make internet videos and you
25:52
criticize greatness and greatness. Hands another fake
25:54
ID to a cop. That's what you
25:56
do. The way, the way I played
25:58
on the field. equally as entertaining
26:01
off the field I would say.
26:03
So I just remember this day like it
26:05
was yesterday getting these IDs July 4th I
26:07
go to the got to test
26:09
it out right away. You have to go straight
26:11
to the nearest place that has the most lax
26:15
restrictions on ID. My big brother Mark Small
26:17
she gave me his ID and I took
26:19
his small bus I took his ID and
26:21
I tested it out with dip or with
26:23
a with a six-pack of
26:25
Michelob lights first and I
26:27
it worked and I went we're
26:30
in. I remember being able to get Keystone but I
26:32
could find somebody who would go maybe buy me a
26:34
couple 30 packs of Keystone and you just make it
26:36
last and then when I got this fake ID I
26:39
must have been feeling really bold that day. This
26:41
is a college kid now that's $700
26:43
stipend check you would get every month you
26:46
know you kind of had to make it last a
26:48
little bit longer it went pretty quick if you were
26:50
just trying to be the man in college thousand dollars
26:52
doesn't get you very far. So I remember when I
26:54
get these IDs I must have been in the best
26:56
mood ever I go straight to the grocery
26:58
store see this huge display and
27:00
I'm like you know what I can drink fucking Budweiser
27:03
now. If I have this fake ID I can afford
27:05
this. Red white and blue cans
27:07
I'm like these are the coolest thing in the world.
27:10
Those Budweisers led to Irish car bombs
27:12
straight to Patron shots and it's literally
27:14
like a scene I tell the story
27:16
it's a scene I got
27:18
a limitless Bradley Cooper where he's
27:21
just like it's great movie starts to it
27:23
starts to like phase him
27:25
a little bit and then he's like browning out and then
27:27
he'll be 20 blocks down the road
27:29
and then he blacks Browns back in yeah
27:31
Browns back out so I just
27:33
remember this slow limitless Bradley Cooper kind
27:35
of walk through the park of Northgate
27:38
and then the next thing I know I'm in handcuffs and
27:40
this guy is asking me you know where's your ID
27:42
and I just remember the first thing out of my
27:44
mouth was like just take my wallet out my back pocket
27:46
there's three of them in there. One
27:51
should be good enough to work. One should
27:53
be good enough to work. And The memory I have
27:55
of that night is just his face when I said
27:57
there's three of them in there. Boy
28:00
were my best friend Stephen Breyer
28:02
as the slides. Five.
28:05
Foot Six Star receiver at my high school
28:07
whenever I was in school. When to and
28:09
and what made this is my road dogg
28:12
you are we all have one of those.
28:14
Had the time. And. You know, I tell
28:16
this cop this and he's looking. They may the left
28:18
the man he is. And way better
28:20
shape than I am at this point
28:22
he's looking to me undies just spot
28:24
ideas in the stolen by the bush
28:26
and I'm just incapable eggs have only
28:28
they're probably do as as like roll
28:30
over and lay on the ground. Next
28:34
day we get out of jail and go
28:36
back to that exact spot. And if she
28:38
does it, picks his fucking fake Id up
28:41
out of the bush right behind where we
28:43
got arrested. He got away with it. That
28:45
sneaky son of a bitch wide receiver for
28:47
your. Last. Man
28:50
hours, The wives of crap the and I school in
28:52
a league that would. Ban.
28:56
I look back I look back to fake Id.
28:58
my dad's of my from the my dad's scared
29:00
me really bad like throughout my life he has
29:02
anxiety and so he was like. A
29:05
members i was a my fox had a had it
29:07
like. In a little and
29:10
he goes though success know it's oh
29:12
adobe be cool those fake Id is
29:14
my older brother and his dirty. And
29:16
he was like out were taken as right now
29:19
as it was because you know have to give
29:21
over this the to jail and they piss on
29:23
you know at what music is your mouth as
29:25
with a diverse other welcoming to jail you a
29:27
good as new album or like though fuck know
29:29
for for mrs I went without a fake Id
29:31
for a full year and just I i i
29:33
was was interesting also and i say this and
29:35
that I can imagine the feeling. Negative.
29:38
Replies at we Get Them as
29:40
Comics We had a negative comments
29:42
and people comment on or comedy.
29:44
And. What's frustrating?
29:47
For. Us. Is sometimes
29:49
the comment that is the most
29:51
hurtful is actually funny is fucking
29:53
shit. So than man in the
29:56
comments are doing something that is what
29:58
you do. and are doing at a higher
30:00
level because not at a higher level,
30:02
but in that moment, it stings and
30:04
it's funny. And then you see the 79
30:06
replies and you're like, Oh fuck. But
30:09
as a pro athlete, you're
30:11
getting critiques from people that can't do what
30:13
you do, that have never done
30:15
what you do, but seem to have this, for
30:20
lack of better words, arrogance that they can
30:22
now pick you apart. And
30:26
I can't imagine what
30:29
comments must feel like or what
30:32
criticism must feel like when
30:34
you're like, you
30:36
put on the pads once. I
30:39
could never. I will say it's a
30:41
very fine line. I think my
30:44
fame and football success came at
30:46
such an early age from a
30:48
family that we were
30:52
very normal people in the sense
30:54
that we were a
30:56
close knit family that had never dealt with
30:58
much of the outside world. We were kind
31:00
of just Texas people. We didn't travel very
31:02
much. We weren't gallivanting around the globe or
31:05
anything like that. We were very in our
31:07
own little bubble. We went from small
31:09
hill country town outside of Austin. My family came
31:11
to college station when I went there. And then
31:13
when you get to that level that I got
31:15
to at one point in time, it's
31:18
a huge learning curve for not only yourself,
31:20
but what I didn't realize is how much
31:22
it affected my family as well. So
31:25
not only are they saying stuff about you, they're
31:27
saying stuff about this or that. And then
31:29
as a defense mechanism, just based off where
31:32
you are, I remember my sister firing back
31:34
at everybody, every comment defending her big brother.
31:36
And this was like a, I remember
31:38
it was yesterday, a very testy
31:42
time in our whole family. What
31:45
people are saying online not only affected me,
31:47
but the entirety of my family, relationships, this
31:49
and that. And at that
31:51
time, 2012, 13, social media was at a
31:54
very, very different point than it is now.
31:57
A very new age where you spit
31:59
out anything. And you see it and
32:01
it's in your face or it's in the news
32:03
or it's used as media And
32:05
it was a very trying time for us. I think
32:07
in that regard and And
32:10
it took me a long time to get to the point
32:12
where you can laugh at yourself And if you don't have
32:14
the ability to laugh at yourself You're
32:18
gonna be in a lot of trouble, you know Sometimes
32:20
like you're saying when you see those replies under a
32:22
comment like that that you know stings and you know
32:24
it hurts You know it
32:26
is truly genuinely fucking funny and you're in
32:29
the business of fucking funny So you can't
32:31
you know take it in the right way and laugh at it and
32:34
be like, you know what you got burn you're
32:36
gonna be met with even
32:38
more criticism from it because your
32:41
initial reaction is to Fire
32:43
back and jump down somebody's throat and you don't
32:45
take it in a comedic You
32:48
know jokey kind of way and play off
32:50
it You're gonna get absolutely eviscerated
32:53
and the burn that you applied on yourself
32:55
is even worse. There was a dude there
32:58
was a dude who did a podcast
33:00
it was another guy that I I know and
33:04
All I saw was the title was Bert Kreischer
33:06
and I was like, oh that they gotta be
33:08
celebrating me because I know one of the guys
33:10
Right. So I immediately I
33:13
don't even fucking watch the thing. I just followed I
33:15
make sure I follow both of them I was like
33:17
fucking solid and then I follow follow
33:19
and then the clips on that one guy's page I
33:21
hit it like I should hear this out and
33:23
the guy just goes how fucking annoying is Bert Kreischer?
33:26
I was like, oh I was
33:28
like, that's not my intent. I Understand
33:30
like if you think I'm annoying you should wake up
33:32
with me I fucking find myself really annoying and then
33:34
he just lit me up Now I
33:37
had to DM him because I knew that I followed
33:39
him. I was like, hey, man, I
33:41
followed you. I I saw
33:43
the clip No hate
33:45
like I just you know Sorry,
33:47
you feel that way but like I just want to give
33:49
you a heads up I know what's his name and I
33:51
and then he wrote back really cool. He was like, dude,
33:54
I Don't think I thought
33:56
you'd ever see this and I've done
33:58
that on pot. I've done that work I
34:00
light people up, light them up.
34:02
I've used your name twice. There's two things I don't believe
34:04
in this world. There's two things I don't believe. Three things
34:06
really, because I'm going to put Tim Tebow in this group.
34:09
I can't believe you still don't play professional football, and I
34:11
can't believe Jared is in jail for fucking
34:13
molesting kids. I just can't believe it. I
34:16
just go, for real, for real, like for
34:18
real, and Tim Tebow. Like
34:20
Tim Tebow is the one because he is
34:23
like the perfect example of not
34:26
every great college quarterback is meant to play in
34:29
the NFL. For whatever fucking reason, there
34:31
is the translation different. I
34:34
don't know if coaches run it more, or if
34:37
the fun style of the quarterback we love
34:39
in college doesn't translate. I don't know what
34:41
it is. I think I probably have a
34:43
little bit more of an idea of what
34:45
it could be. I think more than anything,
34:47
life is about finding your purpose, what
34:50
you're really truly good at. Just because you're
34:52
truly gifted at something at some point in
34:54
time in your life doesn't mean it's meant
34:56
to be forever. Tebow,
34:59
from what I see and what I know of
35:02
him, his purpose that he's fulfilling in life right
35:04
now seems to be bigger than the game of
35:06
football. In his regard,
35:08
in his right for what he believes in and for
35:10
who he is, his purpose seems to
35:13
be driven by something different. That's
35:18
why I'm okay and wouldn't change things for really
35:20
anything in the world. I like to go back
35:23
and do things a little smarter in this and
35:25
that, sure, but I don't think it would have
35:27
made the outcome any different because if your purpose
35:29
and your passion is not behind it, how
35:32
can you be successful? I look at Tebow's
35:34
story in a situation that's like, you
35:36
want to know who a guy who was in the
35:38
fucking gym every day from 5 a.m. to fucking 7,
35:40
who was watching film, every bit of film, who
35:44
was out there doing air drills
35:46
and air routes on the field in
35:48
Foxborough in the fucking cold. I
35:50
don't know who was doing all that and it still didn't work out.
35:53
Fucking Tim Tebow. And you know what? I
35:55
met his sister and I heard
35:57
someone say something shitty to his sister about Tim Tebow.
36:01
And I remember going, why the fuck
36:03
would you do? Like there's, I mean
36:05
this with love because I have done it,
36:07
I'm sure I've done it. I'm just saying,
36:09
I'm accountable for everything. Meaning I'm
36:11
sure I've done things. So I'm not gonna say I've never done
36:13
it. But some
36:16
dude at my daughter's college went
36:18
up to my daughter at a
36:21
party drunk, I'm sure. And was like, your
36:23
dad's movie sucked. And my daughter
36:25
was like, that's not how I wanted to
36:27
spend my Saturday. And she just went home
36:29
and was like, cool, and didn't
36:31
tell me. And then we're skiing
36:33
and the other day, last
36:36
weekend we were snowboarding. And
36:38
I said, I can't imagine what it's like.
36:41
It was a great moment, really great moment
36:43
with my daughter and I said it. And
36:45
people were interrupting us to take pictures and
36:48
we couldn't have our moment. And
36:50
I said to her very casually, I can't imagine what it's
36:52
like to have me as a dad. And
36:54
she goes, it's fucking tough. And
36:56
then she told me that happened and I wanted to find
36:58
that fucking kid. Because
37:00
I know if I walked up, that kid would lose his fucking
37:03
mind and be like, dude, the machine, I fucking love your movie.
37:05
No one does that to your face. Of course, no, never. They'd
37:07
be like, oh, you're fucking wrong. Never. Unless
37:09
his boys are around, he's like, get your camera out. I'm
37:11
gonna light this bitch up. But you, I'm sure now, and
37:13
if you're in any, for the most part, most
37:16
people in the position that we're in where if
37:18
you go around and you're meeting people and you're
37:20
getting interrupted from your normal life to take a
37:22
picture or talk to somebody, I love
37:24
doing it. I am an absolute people
37:26
person for the most part, unless you catch me on
37:28
a really, really bad day. Like I'm
37:30
gonna sit down and have a conversation with you no matter
37:32
what's going on in my family, being
37:34
there or whatever. But it's,
37:38
I mean, you know this, it takes a journey
37:40
in your own right to be able to handle
37:42
certain situations in the right way. And you
37:45
know that, I wanna find this guy and do this
37:47
is such an easy natural inclination
37:49
as a human being to do that. And at
37:51
the end of the day, it gets you nowhere
37:53
and this and that. You have to understand
37:55
that a lot of people in life, they're
37:59
living the life that they're in. miserable end with no
38:01
purpose, with no drive or
38:03
trying to figure out their own struggles in life
38:05
and then they say certain things
38:07
or just blur certain things out because in
38:09
their own right they're unhappy. They
38:11
have their own shit that they're going through so why not put
38:14
somebody down to try and bring you down to their level and
38:16
that's the way I look at it now and I think it
38:18
takes a long time to be able to get to the point
38:20
where if you see something said
38:22
about you or anything for the most
38:24
part if it's somebody I respect I'll just reach out
38:27
to you directly right away. I remember
38:29
after seeing the pod you
38:31
did with Jules I
38:33
was like my natural inclination was like
38:35
both the post, follow his podcast and
38:38
be like send him a DM
38:40
and be like you know what bro if I have a big
38:42
time to you at one point throughout our time of running into
38:46
each other or crossing the same paths you know what
38:48
that's my fucking bad. I was in
38:50
a place where I was in a fucking whirlwind I
38:52
was really on the bender back then so if I
38:54
did anything to disrespect you that's so out of character
38:56
for me you know what that one's on me I
38:58
would love to buy you a beer next time and
39:01
hopefully we can fucking move forward and get over it
39:03
and that's exactly what you know
39:05
I do with the majority of my life
39:07
now like people come and disrespect me
39:09
in a certain way you know I fire
39:12
back with more peace, happiness
39:14
and love and just positivity
39:16
and that's like so
39:19
weird you know a lot of the things that I'm
39:21
doing I think in my life now are things I
39:23
would have called corny and cheesy and like far
39:26
from character for me but I
39:30
think a big purpose of my life that
39:33
I'm slowly like finding out is to be
39:36
uplifting right have a story that's uplifting I
39:38
have a story that at
39:40
one point in time I didn't think I'd be able to
39:42
sit here doing anything like this today I didn't know if
39:44
I was gonna have the wherewithal to get back to a
39:46
point in my life where I could stand on my feet
39:49
come down to Tucson do a podcast and like have a
39:51
good time in life and do what I'm enjoy doing I
39:53
didn't know if I would ever get back to that point
39:55
I don't think I think a lot of us a
39:58
lot of us that watch your journey was like I
40:00
hope, I don't know what this will be, but I
40:03
hope it turns out good. I think a lot of people are
40:05
like, I hope he gets back in the NFL. Yeah. And, or
40:07
I hope he goes to the CFL or what we know. I
40:09
think a lot of us thought that, and
40:11
I don't think any of us saw this journey where you're
40:13
like, you seem so genuinely
40:15
happy and grounded in being around
40:18
your buddies and, and living this fulfilled
40:20
life where you're like still true to
40:23
who you are playing golf.
40:25
And, and I, and
40:27
I think, I think sometimes not enough people
40:29
can understand that that
40:32
is also their journey. Like I,
40:34
that's the only takeaway I
40:36
had was like, this is kind
40:39
of everyone's story. Everyone's got
40:41
this moment where they go,
40:43
I need, I need to really
40:45
find out what's important to me. And,
40:48
and for a lot of people, a
40:50
lot of us never got the golden
40:52
child thing. Like you, you got put
40:55
weight on your shoulders at an age, what, 19, 18 years
40:57
old that I
40:59
can't imagine dealing with. And, and I've seen, and
41:01
we've seen a lot of people have
41:04
a hard time struggling with this, but none of us get it.
41:06
I didn't get it in standup and I watched dudes get it
41:08
and women get it. And
41:10
I watched him fold and I watched them
41:12
fucking meltdown. And,
41:15
and I, and then I was, and then when
41:17
I got luck, I got lucky enough to get
41:19
success later in life. I
41:21
was like, Oh wow. Thank
41:24
God. This didn't happen to me when I wanted it. I
41:26
wanted it so bad when we were pregnant with Georgia.
41:28
I wanted it so bad. I wanted
41:31
it so bad. And
41:33
I was devastated. I
41:35
took his Xanax drank six Heineken's and
41:38
I was like just floating. Don't you, I
41:40
got this little duck next to me that
41:42
I bought my daughter. I remember you want
41:44
to know something sad. It was
41:47
last comic standing too. I didn't make
41:49
it to the next round. I got
41:51
kicked off and I needed money. I needed
41:53
success. Everyone's getting famous at
41:55
McGarry. Goldman's blowing up being cooks
41:57
a big deal. Jim Norton's on.
42:00
ONA like everyone's everyone around me is like blowing
42:02
up. I remember someone saying
42:04
to me Hey, man, you know,
42:06
you got a lot of good stuff going on You
42:08
got a kid on the way and I remember she's going
42:11
like fuck you You know, fuck
42:13
you I got no money for this kid
42:15
and I bought this little duck and
42:17
I was like, oh I'll get a fucking duck Like
42:19
this at a gift store at the hotel we
42:21
were in and I remember going that night With
42:24
this duck on my bed and I took a Xanax and
42:26
I started drinking I was like, I'm just gonna wait till
42:28
I pass out and this day goes away and
42:30
the next day was even worse and and And
42:34
then I look back and I go what a blessing that was to
42:37
have that failure Have
42:39
all those failures add up to a little bit
42:41
of successes and for me it was like It
42:45
was like thank God I didn't have the pressure I don't
42:48
think enough people realize what
42:50
that pressure is like to go into a room and I'm sure
42:53
you've been there when you're young and Everyone's
42:56
talking and everyone seems to know what they're
42:58
fucking saying and you're just going I throw
43:01
a football really good Like I'm not
43:03
right and I run it a little bit Better
43:06
than fucking better than fucking what's his name?
43:08
That was the craziest that I heard you
43:10
out rushed fucking old boy from From
43:13
the fucking SEC and rushing. Yeah, that's
43:15
right. Yeah, which is Todd Gurley. Yeah.
43:17
Yeah, which is crazy That's
43:20
fucking insane. But then to be
43:22
forced to say like now Your
43:24
brand your business it
43:26
doesn't you know, it's really really
43:28
rare and unless you have You
43:31
know proper people around you to do it
43:33
the right way It's very rare for to
43:35
turn in from a overnight brand and have
43:37
it, you know Be extremely successful and and
43:39
have a longevity about it. I
43:41
think for me I tell people this all the
43:43
time I learned more through the failures than I
43:45
ever learned through, you know, the rise to fame and
43:48
you know It irks me a little bit. Sometimes,
43:50
you know, it's it's a it's a Nice
43:53
genuine gesture to have people come up and be like,
43:55
you know what if I was in your shoes I
43:57
would have done the exact same fucking thing, buddy like
44:00
much love to you, wish you nothing but the best.
44:02
For me, now looking back at it 10
44:05
years later, it's like, damn, like I was
44:07
raised the right way. You know, I was
44:09
raised by amazing parents with good values and
44:12
good morals with the right head on my
44:14
shoulder. And it's just crazy the
44:16
wickedness of the world and what can come around you
44:18
to get you off who you truly are as a
44:20
person, to get you down a path you may not
44:22
meant to be on. But I'm very,
44:25
very firm believer in that everything happens for a
44:27
reason. And, you know, we're
44:29
handed things in our life that
44:31
are true tests. Sometimes you lift them up and
44:33
you make it everything you want it to be.
44:35
And that's you sitting at the top of the
44:37
mountain with your hands raised high. You know, that's
44:40
me sitting in New York, raising the Heisman as
44:42
the first freshman to ever do it in the
44:44
history of the award. And then there's
44:46
times that you're talking about with the duck with
44:49
your head in your hands and a Xanax and six
44:51
Heineken's later and you wake up the next day thinking
44:53
it may be better. And guess what? It's not. It
44:55
was worth it. And you just keep digging and keep
44:57
digging until something clicks inside you to where you approach
44:59
life and see life through a different way. You got
45:02
to see it through a different way. You have to
45:04
be able to I had to get to a place
45:06
where I could and it was
45:08
tough, but celebrate other
45:11
people's success and really love to
45:14
watch people succeed and see
45:16
that that could be
45:18
my path. Like it was it was
45:20
tough. And I and I will
45:22
say say that the one thing that you know, a
45:25
lot of people didn't have and I've witnessed in my
45:27
career is some of these people
45:29
I celebrated and I mean, there
45:31
was one guy that was an older comic and
45:34
he started doing big things. And I remember running into him
45:36
at the airport and I was like, dude, you're
45:38
fucking killing it. I remember he was shocked that
45:40
I'd say that. And I was like,
45:42
you're fucking killing it, man. So happy for you.
45:45
I love what you're doing. And
45:47
then the other day, like I just shit on me on a podcast. I
45:50
was just about to say, you know what, that energy that you
45:53
bring to other people, most of the time it really goes a
45:55
long way. Obviously, obviously,
45:57
man. a
46:00
loser that they want to say and
46:02
now that you know we were talking
46:05
about those fake people and how some
46:07
people would say that to your face
46:09
but behind your back well that's the
46:11
exact same scenario flipped. Yeah it's fucking
46:14
crazy. I'm dying to know this
46:17
is a horrible thing to say. How
46:19
what's the talent like in the CFL? Man
46:22
surprisingly pretty damn good. Really?
46:25
Actually not bad. So the
46:27
CFL was you know
46:29
go to Cleveland get
46:32
cut in Cleveland take a full year off to
46:34
like you know live in LA
46:36
really try and find myself I guess is
46:38
what I was trying to do. You know
46:41
right in the Hollywood Hills right? Yeah
46:44
I was finding myself I guess so you
46:46
know after that come out of
46:48
kind of a come out of kind of I wouldn't even
46:50
say it's a bender it was more of a coma in
46:52
2016 and you know January February
46:54
this kind of time of year comes around start of
46:56
the new year you know you're getting into new things
46:58
what are your goals gonna be well I'm getting fucking
47:01
back into football this is what I'm supposed to do
47:03
this is you know my comeback season
47:05
you know I'm gonna get back in the
47:07
NFL. Doug Flutie on that. I learned very
47:09
very pretty quickly you know I thought I
47:11
had a couple chances to come back to
47:14
the NFL after that year. This
47:17
was the Patrick Mahomes draft year
47:19
in Kansas City. I had flown
47:21
up to Kansas City twice to meet with
47:24
Andy Reid and the Chiefs. Me
47:26
and Andy Reid had a great relationship when I was
47:28
in the draft. This is a
47:30
crazy story I haven't really told this to
47:32
many people. I really really thought going into
47:34
that draft that after the
47:36
draft that I didn't take a quarterback I was gonna sign
47:39
in Kansas City. It felt like it was
47:41
really really like promising you know Andy
47:43
Reid has had a you know
47:45
long story career of you know helping kind
47:47
of rehabilitate people back to life you know
47:50
I think back up to the Mike Vick
47:52
days when he got out of jail you
47:54
know he comes in there really
47:56
turns you know helped turned his life around
47:58
so I'm going. Yes, yes, so
48:01
I'm going into that draft in
48:03
2016 thinking that I'm gonna end
48:05
up signing in Kansas City they
48:07
draft happens They
48:10
draft my homes. I'm like fuck
48:13
It's awesome to see my boy from White
48:16
House, Texas We're from the same hometown pretty
48:18
much in Tyler East Texas. So to see
48:20
him do that was like amazing, but also
48:22
fuck and You
48:25
know a couple weeks later go by and I get
48:27
a call from Sean Payton and now I think I'm
48:29
gonna end up signing with the Saints like really You
48:32
know thought this was gonna go down this path and then
48:34
after those two two deals kind of fizzled out You know,
48:36
I'm I'm still 24 at this time 25 So
48:39
I'm like, you know still have
48:41
this bravado about me like I didn't fuck it up
48:43
bad enough to where I can't get back In right
48:45
like it's still ultimate boys club Somebody's gonna you know
48:48
throw a life raft out there for me and the
48:50
guy who was in This is
48:52
how it all comes full circle Dan
48:55
Campbell who's now the coach of the Lions. Yeah was
48:57
a M&M won't
48:59
shut up. He won't he was a tight end coach
49:01
for the Saints So I know every day he went
49:04
to a and M played football day and M So I
49:06
know every day he was in their ear trying to get
49:08
me signed there and be that like beacon of hope for
49:10
me But slowly but surely I'm like,
49:12
you know what? They're not fucking with me anymore
49:15
NFL is not having this circus come back to town and
49:17
we're not doing this all over again I'm
49:20
pretty sure drew Brees is like fuck. No, I
49:22
got three years left in the NFL I don't
49:25
need this fucking circus coming to town. Hey, I'm
49:27
trying to win a Super Bowl I
49:29
don't have time for all this is a part of drew
49:31
Brees says bring him. I'll show him the Lord. Yeah. Yeah
49:34
Good. Good. That's that point. Brown services that
49:36
point. It probably would have been good luck
49:38
Yeah, I'll see you on Wednesday for church
49:40
and how tedious hanging out with drew Brees
49:42
would have been it probably I don't know
49:44
if we would have bad. She's a Texas
49:46
boy. So I Just
49:49
personality wise I just don't I
49:52
don't see the guy with three kids being married in his
49:54
17th year in the NFL dinner What are you gonna have
49:56
for dinner? I'm gonna have a I'm gonna have a I'm
49:58
gonna have a Hennessy sidecar the biggest
50:00
stake on the menu. We're
50:03
gonna have sweet tea. So
50:05
after that happens and the NFL thing kind of
50:07
you know withers away, I'm like I have to
50:09
get back into football. So you know
50:12
all these other leagues the AFL, the XFL,
50:14
all this wasn't really around at that point
50:16
in time. So
50:18
it was Canada and I remember having
50:21
to go to Buffalo to then like meet
50:23
this team who's owned my rights because they
50:26
probably had a fucking
50:28
Ouija board back when I got drafted in
50:30
2014. We're like yeah this guy's probably gonna
50:32
have a good opportunity to end up in
50:34
the CFL with the way he behaves. So
50:36
they drafted me and they're like you know
50:38
international players draft. So I go to Buffalo
50:40
meet with the Hamilton Tiger Cats to
50:43
talk about you know
50:45
maybe coming to the CFL. Because
50:48
of my behavior over the past two or three
50:50
years, I don't have to meet with the commissioner.
50:52
Now in my contract they want to put all
50:54
these stipulations in for me and being able to
50:56
come up here. And at that point you know
50:58
my false sense of confidence is probably like sure
51:01
I can take an alcohol test. I can do
51:03
every jump through every single little hoop. I just
51:05
want to get back on the field again. So
51:08
you know sign the deal, go to Canada, go
51:11
up there and I'm like first
51:14
day I fucking stepped on the football field. I
51:16
felt exactly the same way that I did when
51:18
I was in Cleveland. I felt
51:20
empty. I felt like I wasn't having fun.
51:22
I felt like I
51:25
dove into the X's and O's because the game
51:27
is so different in Canada. There's an extra person
51:29
on the field. The way you think about it
51:31
in a football mind sense is like there's almost
51:33
two kind of defenses out there at one time.
51:35
You know in the NFL you have two safeties
51:37
or you have one safety. In the
51:40
CFL you can have three of those motherfuckers out there
51:42
and you almost have to break the field in half
51:45
from like a football perspective of things. So I
51:47
get up there I dive in on the X's
51:49
I was stuck up a bit but the football
51:52
throwing running doing the actual
51:54
physical act of the sport
51:56
I Was sick to my stomach about again
51:58
that exact same feeling. Dad. Came.
52:01
Back again And that's when I knew the football was
52:03
A when I wanted to do. Arm.
52:06
For a career for my life and then I get
52:08
up there and I spent. Spreading. I
52:10
spent the whole season. There's a one
52:12
whole season. The guy's a talent. There's.
52:15
Actually, probably. Says
52:19
probably three to four guys maybe five on
52:21
every single team up there that will have
52:23
a shot to go to a training camp
52:26
and if they played. Well,
52:28
and that training camp to make a roster
52:30
really and there's probably you've seen it now
52:32
more than I did. you did the pass
52:34
in or just with how violent the game
52:36
is getting and how. You
52:39
know teams are one injury away from Ronin
52:41
Super Bowl run and one whether it's you
52:44
look at Cincinnati, they lose. burrow their chances
52:46
in hopes of getting back to where they
52:48
want to go for that whole entire year
52:50
or gone. So you know you
52:52
think about it. That's just a quarterback position.
52:54
Now go think about the linebacker. So you're
52:57
to linebackers deep on a team like that,
52:59
you have to be able to go to
53:01
other leagues and find guys. So the scouting
53:03
of talent and players has expanded more over
53:05
the last ten years or so than it
53:07
ever could. I think you see more Cfl
53:10
guys actually coming down and play in in
53:12
the league. Now I know. There
53:15
was. Probably. That if defense of
53:17
ndp of early when I was there. He's
53:20
he's still play in the league right
53:22
now is been back since probably two
53:24
thousand and sixteen seventeen is made of
53:26
five six year career out of it.
53:28
yeah I know that. I guess others
53:30
by with three to five guys may
53:32
be on every team. their habits avenue
53:34
chance to make an Nfl roster. So
53:36
the tower it is actually better than
53:38
what people think especially on the defensive
53:40
line. sizable does will have played some
53:42
fucking monsters on their food. went to
53:44
likes of there was a couple guys
53:46
who you know.u T who are big
53:48
high school recruits. ah i'm know
53:50
a couple guys from a know some smaller
53:53
schools but for the most part guys were
53:55
dare to problems guys who didn't get a
53:57
chance guys got hurt the training camp ago
54:00
You know, road off, but there
54:02
were some DNs up there that will absolutely rip
54:04
your fucking dick off and throw it in the
54:06
dirt. What's the what's the position that's this? The
54:09
shallowest in the CFL meaning like okay what
54:11
like cuz cuz I'm in my head. I
54:13
go. It's gotta be kickers I bet all
54:15
the good kickers get no suck down. You
54:17
know what? No, because they're still the Canadian
54:20
game is They try
54:22
to keep it Canadian and I say
54:24
this because
54:26
there's a You
54:28
have a starting lineup You have 24 people that
54:30
are you know starting offense defense and then you
54:33
can throw in like a couple special teams or
54:35
whatever it Is but there's no real way to
54:37
determine that so in the CFL there
54:39
is a Canadian Limit you
54:41
have to start a certain amount of
54:43
people who are Canadians. That's the same
54:46
problem with their television. So No way,
54:48
that's too fucking good So
54:56
you have to have a certain amount of Canadians
54:59
So the name of the game for the most part
55:01
and I don't say this to be rude. I say
55:03
this because from the
55:05
American mindset as A
55:08
football player you look at it and what I
55:10
always called it was where do you hide? Where
55:12
do you hide the Canadians? Where
55:15
do we put these white people? Bingo
55:21
Bingo Nailed
55:26
it As
55:36
I as I'm in Montreal this
55:39
I didn't realize in Hamilton because our Canadians
55:42
Weren't white and when I
55:44
went and got traded to Montreal our
55:46
team looked a lot different Why
55:55
Our line was so white and.
56:00
You're deeply tackles are so why am
56:02
I to whereas know why people in
56:04
the secondary as it's better if if
56:06
he believed to have a good team
56:09
for the white second or may sprinkle
56:11
and. A. White boy receiver this in
56:13
there but the name of the game with
56:15
the ratio and co that is. To
56:17
I'd the Canadians for the most part and
56:20
this is with no disrespect. There are a
56:22
ton of Canadian football players that are good.
56:25
I just don't have. There's a ton of Canadian football
56:27
players that play in the Cfl. them in. The
56:29
great? yeah or if you're canadian.
56:32
He went to Canadian College. How
56:34
many of those guys actually make it
56:36
to the Nfl? I'll hear of anybody that
56:38
went to a book by Canadian Football.
56:41
Didn't. Go to the Cfl and just went straight
56:43
to a bigger week I was. I don't know
56:45
if it's ever happen, I would have to fact
56:47
check myself on that. but when you get there
56:49
is twenty four point four players in the field
56:51
for starters have to be a certain ratio of
56:53
Canadian so it's really like. This.
56:55
Is gonna grazie nineteen eighty or you know
56:57
you're left Tackle is an American. Your.
56:59
Guard Canadian your center of our now. we'll
57:01
figure it out depending on who's playing right
57:04
guard. Yeah, and then your taxes are probably
57:06
gonna be big. Black.
57:08
American. Often. Suleiman to
57:10
have been taught from an Nfl team.
57:13
And then you're interiors. Probably. Canadian.
57:16
Citizen running Backs. That. You start
57:18
in the game yet another by the whole game.
57:21
But. Spying on a B Canadian and
57:23
then you have try and put your
57:25
receiver to the sealed fields or way
57:27
bigger. Yeah Third I mean when you
57:29
step on of Cfl feel compared to
57:31
an Nfl fields first thing you notice
57:33
more than the length of the field
57:35
is how wide it is so their
57:37
houses in older than you know when
57:40
the balls on the left has you
57:42
want to put. Your. Canadian
57:44
liability I guess in a
57:46
sense. As far away as
57:48
possible and to where you're not going to
57:51
make that. oh very much because it's really
57:53
like a fifty yard. I can't
57:55
throw fifty yards fuck in our out at
57:57
night it's just too far to to throw
57:59
it. There are so can a steak
58:01
and mix and match and have to
58:04
pee. Sure guys to make you ratio
58:06
work in the Cfl that but your
58:08
tackles. Your. Main and interior
58:10
like receivers. And. Then you're
58:12
defensive ends. Those are gonna be your guys.
58:15
who you who your dogs in the Cfl.
58:17
but it's. Crazy. Hide the
58:19
gregor as he was. it easier to walk away
58:21
from the Cfl. The Manifold Csl ah is that
58:23
was that. That was like beard. Here's the hard
58:25
part with the Cfl when you sign with
58:27
them. they own your rights for two years so
58:30
say I go up there like I did and
58:32
in that first year. I was used
58:34
as a pond in that league. In our I was
58:36
used as a pawn in that league. For.
58:38
Views and I was used upon
58:40
in that league for business. Cfl
58:43
was a very year to year.
58:46
Day to day financially
58:48
run organization. They. Don't
58:51
have there's There's not a. Real.
58:54
Distribution of wealth to each team and that league
58:56
every year. It's a very much how do we
58:58
keep the staying. Operable, And
59:00
running ads you know, for a while
59:02
there I think, especially during tobacco. There
59:05
questions around as.was gonna if they were
59:07
even gonna make it. So. In
59:09
a when they sign you especially you know
59:11
the big american players they do sign after
59:14
something happens whatever may be a take your
59:16
rights for two years. so after that first
59:18
year in on didn't used I got traded
59:20
from one team to another. I was in
59:22
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59:25
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football though if I wanted to. There
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were rumblings the X about was coming
1:02:31
around. I played in this Alliance Football
1:02:33
League. Mom. The.
1:02:35
Next year, But there were some leagues that
1:02:37
we're starting with. American Football on a deathly
1:02:40
very much. Wanted. To.
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Get. Back To the United States! Much as
1:02:46
I love. Seen every
1:02:48
province in Canada go into every city.
1:02:50
I mean I lived in Old Port
1:02:52
Montreal, rabbi notes Dom or the Central
1:02:55
Alabama or Cfl practice schedule. This.
1:02:57
Is something you're gonna vote unless. I.
1:03:00
I. And
1:03:03
the Nfl you get in the building
1:03:05
for twenty five weeks a year for
1:03:07
the most part, outside a couple weeks.
1:03:10
Seven. In the morning until seven o'clock at
1:03:12
night. You'll have your days words maybe
1:03:14
seven in the morning until three or two
1:03:17
or something, but that's your schedule. Week one:
1:03:19
two, week seventeen push or four weeks of
1:03:21
training camp. Cfl wasn't
1:03:23
that or in the building at nine thirty
1:03:25
am and we're out of practice and out
1:03:28
of the building by one thirty pm. So.
1:03:30
I'm live in in. Toronto,
1:03:33
In one city. Paper. With know
1:03:35
from I'm done it One yeah every
1:03:37
day and then we have off days.
1:03:40
And then I got a module. live
1:03:42
in an old Port of Done at
1:03:44
one o'clock every day module grabbed one.
1:03:47
How to sag steakhouse. I'm getting frown.
1:03:49
Royals on the rocks. I'm having steaks
1:03:51
every single day. and i'm just loving
1:03:53
the city like all love that part of it
1:03:55
as far as a career and for born as
1:03:57
as i i have to get the fuck up
1:04:00
Yeah, I have to get out no matter what I'm
1:04:04
not coming back here next year. I can't do
1:04:06
this again. This is not there's no way like
1:04:10
impossibly no fucking chance so
1:04:14
They own my rights for another year and now
1:04:16
I start to think back about you
1:04:18
know that provision that he put in my contract That said
1:04:20
he can't do x y and z or you're out of
1:04:22
the league I think I'm gonna go do
1:04:24
x y and z to get this fucking
1:04:27
contract boy did Really and that's
1:04:29
exactly what I did. I remember when that
1:04:31
guy showed up at my house.
1:04:33
I got season ends I go
1:04:35
back to California. I'm back in LA and CFL
1:04:38
sent an alcohol tester Sent
1:04:41
an alcohol and drug tester to my house and
1:04:43
the second that he and I saw him knock on the door and
1:04:45
he opened It up. I Just
1:04:48
remember smiling from ear to ear. I couldn't wait.
1:04:50
This is probably the happiest I've ever been to
1:04:53
go piss in the cup and when I handed
1:04:55
him this cutback I just
1:04:57
remember me like why are you so happy? I'm like man
1:04:59
I can't tell you what a blessing this is what a
1:05:01
godsend this is That I don't
1:05:03
have to go back to Canada because of what
1:05:06
you're holding in your hand right there. He's a
1:05:08
great smell it Yeah, like you probably fucking can
1:05:10
but whatever you do handle with care and send
1:05:12
it directly back Is that make sure that gets
1:05:15
to Randy and brosy the CFL Commissioner make deliver
1:05:17
that to him personally You don't even need to
1:05:19
send it to the lab. Just yeah,
1:05:21
take the lid off That's fucking
1:05:23
but I had to get out. Yeah,
1:05:26
I there's been I'm like that with
1:05:29
And I love Vegas, but I'm like that with Vegas because
1:05:31
back in the day when we were younger You'd do longer
1:05:34
runs in Vegas and yes, you're doing stand-up every night, but
1:05:36
Vegas is a town for me that It
1:05:42
It it tickles my sparkle. Do
1:05:44
we need to do Vegas? I think we need
1:05:46
to do we're gonna be there for the Super Bowl Me and Tom I'll be there
1:05:49
buddy You have No
1:05:52
fucking idea Tom and I doing a pump passing kick
1:05:54
contest sick. Yeah, I need you to show I need
1:05:56
you to I need you to dial in my throat.
1:05:58
I got a beat Tom,
1:06:00
when are you guys going out there? Oh,
1:06:03
well, this is where it's problematic. I
1:06:05
get off tour on Sunday and I just said,
1:06:07
take the bus straight to Vegas. I
1:06:10
love Vegas. I
1:06:12
love everything they did with that city. It's like
1:06:14
they read my journal. And I
1:06:17
love the feeling of gambling early in the morning, being
1:06:20
the only one down there with the Asians who were
1:06:22
smoking. And I love getting in there and sitting next
1:06:24
to a guy that doesn't speak any English and being
1:06:26
like, I'll watch him a little bit. I wanna learn
1:06:28
baccarat. Oh, come on, I got you.
1:06:31
Oh, holy. I got you. It's the only
1:06:33
game I play now. I'll be like,
1:06:36
I'll be like, Vegas is like a fun
1:06:38
city, but we used to do long weekends
1:06:40
in Vegas, like Tuesday to Sunday. And
1:06:42
I would find myself come
1:06:45
Thursday being like, I
1:06:47
need a church or I need
1:06:49
a pet, a puppy. I need something.
1:06:52
Like I think it was David Tell was like,
1:06:54
you know what, I almost think I'm stealing a
1:06:56
David Tell joke. He goes, you know what Vegas
1:06:58
needs? A zoo. There's a
1:07:00
certain point where you go, I need to see an animal. But
1:07:03
like, yeah, we're going. And you go pet a bunch of
1:07:05
penguins somewhere after what we just did on the last. We're
1:07:07
taking the bus straight to Vegas and then we're
1:07:09
there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And
1:07:12
I don't know when this will come out, but Tom and I
1:07:14
are releasing a vodka. And so, oh
1:07:16
yeah, we've, congrats. Thank you, thank you. It was a
1:07:19
big, it's a Tom Zugaro brain move where he's like,
1:07:21
well, invest a ton of money and start a vodka.
1:07:23
And I love vodka. He got me with vodka. So
1:07:25
I was like, I'm in. I
1:07:28
think me and Tony are going a little
1:07:30
bit, a little bit different route. I think
1:07:32
we're going a water route of all things.
1:07:34
Smart. Let me tell you something. I
1:07:37
was real hell bent on recovery.
1:07:40
Like, so that's my whole, I said this
1:07:42
one time, I said, my brain's really recovery
1:07:44
because you would never notice if I quit
1:07:46
drinking. But if I quit recovering, that's
1:07:49
When you'd see me fall off. If I Quit
1:07:51
working out and taking care of myself to get
1:07:53
up, to show up for the show. that's when
1:07:56
you see it. If I Drink, No one ever
1:07:58
really sees me. drink. The crazy
1:08:00
part of my life is like. I.
1:08:03
I'm eye. We used to drink a little bit
1:08:05
onstage during like when I was really get out
1:08:07
of control. A drink like two beers like on
1:08:09
stage have a bargain soda. maybe a second. I
1:08:11
take a piss on stage and does oh wow
1:08:14
do I would literally go behind the monitor and
1:08:16
take assess New a cop. On. Stage
1:08:18
and then says how much I was drinking I
1:08:20
was having to piss in the middle the show
1:08:22
and then again so when they. We. Know
1:08:24
and is in. everyone's onstage. I was fuckin'
1:08:26
them. In the last show I did I
1:08:28
killed four beers on stage. At
1:08:31
the end of the show and just. Emily.
1:08:33
It may mit Nathaniel Rak as plan
1:08:35
son of of it's made me drink
1:08:37
and I just was bar and the
1:08:39
state's gonna fire. It was like fuckin'
1:08:41
the perfect way to go. Like either
1:08:43
time time to slow down. Oh so
1:08:45
you're saying you know and I agree
1:08:47
with this. Know your brain, your mind,
1:08:49
your body, everything. Still very much in
1:08:51
the sense of you know, recovering and
1:08:54
doing that. You feel like hell over
1:08:56
the time that you are in. Or
1:08:58
obviously recovery means you're getting back from
1:09:00
something. be obviously select, you damage yourself
1:09:02
at a certain one time. To some going.
1:09:04
So. Hard for as long as you that yeah
1:09:06
there was a it's kind of inevitable when you
1:09:08
live this life and you decide to choose the
1:09:10
site and we're talking about with things that make
1:09:12
us tech rights. Vegas gives you that sparked same
1:09:14
for me your I get to feel like for
1:09:16
me. It's almost alter
1:09:18
ego. as for me like he go
1:09:20
into a place where you're treated so
1:09:22
nicely. The amenities, the hospitality, all of
1:09:25
it is so such an outlier for
1:09:27
anything else normal in the world's and
1:09:29
you know. We have
1:09:31
friends that live there. do it every single day
1:09:33
Or you're like us. where you come and go
1:09:35
out. there's a million different ways. Do it Now
1:09:37
There has to be a sense know over the
1:09:39
course of the years that. I
1:09:41
know you have beat yourself up a little bit
1:09:43
that is over time to to use of little
1:09:46
bit better I said I I I noticed. Was.
1:09:49
Funny as I. I was. Great.
1:09:52
Light. or even all the way it as i as
1:09:54
i was part in the hardest i was that was foot
1:09:56
this last year fully loaded was nice that was the peak
1:09:58
of the mountain for me And
1:10:01
then I was like, I'm gonna
1:10:03
straighten it out. And I did. And then when
1:10:05
I went on my cruise, I was like, I'm drinking from my
1:10:07
cruise. And the first day I
1:10:09
drank and I couldn't, I
1:10:12
couldn't turn the corner. Like I just, everything
1:10:14
was like, ah,
1:10:16
champagne tastes fucked up. Like,
1:10:18
and then I was like, I want a drink. And then they're like, what do you want?
1:10:20
And I was like, and I hadn't been drinking
1:10:23
a lot. So sometimes when you drink a lot, the
1:10:25
flavors disappear. So you like, you have
1:10:27
to do a tequila phase and you go into a vodka phase. And
1:10:30
then there's this Jack on the Rocks phase. And then that's the thing
1:10:32
that it, your tongue welcomes it
1:10:34
because it's used to it. And I couldn't find it.
1:10:37
And then at the end of the night, we had to find it with,
1:10:39
I have to know this. I
1:10:42
found it, what was the, that first, oh,
1:10:44
it was wine. It was wine.
1:10:46
I started drinking wine with, I think, Davros
1:10:50
maybe, or maybe Mark Norman.
1:10:53
And we went, ended up on my balcony. I had
1:10:55
a really nice room. We ended up, it was like
1:10:57
an outdoor seating area and we ended up drinking
1:11:00
wine, open a cup of bottles, having some
1:11:02
cigars. And the next morning I went, oh,
1:11:05
this is a different recovery. Like this is not the
1:11:07
recovery I'm used to. This is, I'm beat up. And
1:11:09
then we went downstairs and everyone was already partying. And I was
1:11:11
like, well, we're on it. And I was
1:11:14
like, I'm giving myself these four
1:11:16
days on the cruise and then five days in Cayman
1:11:19
Islands to just no rules, no
1:11:21
rules. And I was saying that about diet, but I stayed
1:11:23
on my diet. But the next
1:11:25
day I got back on it. And then
1:11:27
slowly I was like, God, man, I started really
1:11:29
pinpointing for me, it was anxiety. Like
1:11:31
I'd get anxiety in the morning. And I was like, this hasn't been
1:11:34
here in a while. And I was
1:11:36
so used to it before that I
1:11:38
was, I wasn't, I was just like this part
1:11:40
of my life. Yeah, you just didn't even phase you. And I'd allow
1:11:42
the anxiety to inspire me. I'd go, yeah, fuck, you're fucking up. You
1:11:44
use it as a tool in a sense. Yeah. I
1:11:48
think my biggest thing just hearing you talk, I think it's
1:11:51
for a majority of people who, you
1:11:53
know, live this fine line of the
1:11:56
fun, the this, the that, self-awareness
1:11:58
man is the big. key to
1:12:00
be able to pinpoint like you're saying
1:12:02
the anxiety what it makes you do
1:12:05
there's so many little things that go on around
1:12:07
you that if you're hypersensitive and hyper self-aware about
1:12:09
everything that's going on yourself and you're really honest
1:12:11
and true with yourself in that regard yeah you
1:12:13
can come to a point where you figure out
1:12:15
how to make a lot of this shit work
1:12:18
well for me I guess that's us finding any
1:12:20
kind of way to you know well I think
1:12:22
me and you are people that other people focus
1:12:24
on too is they look at us and then
1:12:26
they go and then they have notes about
1:12:28
us and so then if you're not
1:12:30
doing the self-discovery then all of a sudden everyone's
1:12:32
notes are true yeah and then I was
1:12:35
like I'm not gonna let that happen no one's gonna
1:12:37
tell me about me yeah so I started this is
1:12:39
how can they oh I've
1:12:42
had so many people I remember oh I was like I was
1:12:45
like have you guys ever doing an intervention it better
1:12:47
be people to party because I don't want anyone sober
1:12:49
in that room I want people to go yo I
1:12:51
need Ron White going like hey
1:12:53
man you're out of control and I'm like
1:12:55
I listen to you okay but I hope
1:12:58
better be there like don't bring in fucking
1:13:00
a bunch of squares my mom my grandmother
1:13:02
what the fuck grandma I don't party with
1:13:04
you anyway but I started
1:13:06
I did
1:13:09
a cleanse for five days and then I went to my cardiologist I was
1:13:11
like I don't know what the fuck to do he was
1:13:13
like go keto when
1:13:16
keto and I just because it was sugar and alcove
1:13:18
it was it was like I'll see if I
1:13:20
can drop weight and I remember the
1:13:22
first time I had a real impulse to drink Sun
1:13:24
was setting and people were
1:13:26
coming over the mood was rough and I was
1:13:28
like this is it this is the this is
1:13:31
the quickening this is the the moment and
1:13:33
I said but I'm feeling really good and I want to
1:13:35
keep losing weight I wanted to get to 230 and
1:13:38
so I was like I saw I went to my
1:13:40
my my gym my man cave and
1:13:43
I took my thing called a happiness journal
1:13:45
so stupid and I started writing what
1:13:47
is the thing right now in me that wants
1:13:49
to drink like what is that impulse it's identical
1:13:51
to a diet that's why I
1:13:53
journaled about it and then and when I got done
1:13:55
journaling I didn't want to drink I went I think
1:13:58
I'm actually good the Sun had already gone I'm down and
1:14:00
I was like, ah, I'm good. And so
1:14:02
I started journaling every time I wanted, I had the
1:14:04
impulse to drink or just write about it and
1:14:07
say, what is it? And then, I mean,
1:14:09
I would be like very simple. If I
1:14:11
did it, it happened recently. I was with
1:14:13
Tom. We did two podcasts, felt great. I'm
1:14:15
in Austin. I'm not home. We go to
1:14:17
have a steak dinner and I said, I
1:14:20
want a martini and a bottle of wine.
1:14:22
I want a dirty vodka martini with, with
1:14:24
my, that's my first drink. And
1:14:26
then I'm gonna have a wedge salad, but wine
1:14:28
will show up. I'm gonna drink wine. I'm gonna get a
1:14:30
ribeye medium rare. That was it. And
1:14:32
I said it to Pete. I said, I'm doing that. And
1:14:35
he was like, you know, we
1:14:37
got a busy day tomorrow. And I
1:14:39
was like, fuck, I know I should really not drink. So
1:14:42
I went and I wrote about it. And
1:14:44
by the way, writing about it and I still allow myself to write about it
1:14:46
and then drink if I want to. So I wrote about
1:14:48
it. And then I was
1:14:50
like, fuck. And I even
1:14:52
at dinner, I was like, I don't know. I want
1:14:54
to, I want to. But like, there's
1:14:56
a part of me that I do want to do good podcasts
1:14:58
for Tom and I do. We had a busy
1:15:01
fucking day and we had to catch a fight that night. And
1:15:03
I was like, and I just didn't. And then I journaled
1:15:06
about it again. And then it still didn't feel right. I
1:15:08
was like, I should have drank. I should
1:15:10
have drank. And then I slept like shit. And I
1:15:12
was like, fuck, I woke up the next morning. I go, I fucked
1:15:14
up. I should have drank last night. And then
1:15:16
I journaled about it again in the morning. I was like, why the
1:15:18
fuck didn't I drink? And then I went to
1:15:20
the gym and I got done and I felt fucking
1:15:23
really good. Journaled again. And I was like, okay. Sometimes
1:15:25
you'll journal four times to get to that place. That
1:15:27
helped you a lot. It's helped me immensely. How long
1:15:29
have you done it for? Started
1:15:31
in August. So six months, months? Yeah, I've
1:15:34
been doing it six months. And
1:15:36
how frequently would you say you're doing it? Less
1:15:39
and less now more than, but like
1:15:41
I did it when we just went to Mexico.
1:15:46
And I said, and I
1:15:49
was like, I was like, I'm
1:15:52
also crazy. But like, I'll tell you
1:15:54
if I have a couple of beers in me that I cracked the
1:15:56
code to drinking. And I was
1:15:58
like, and I said in the car. We're all driving
1:16:00
with all these fucking huge promoters. I was like, I
1:16:03
think I cracked the code to drinking I'm happiest I've ever
1:16:05
been and I'm pretty fucking lit right now and they're like
1:16:07
really it's the hand just leans over You
1:16:09
should definitely journal tonight But
1:16:13
it was like and but we had a great time and
1:16:16
Got home stop drinking didn't drink
1:16:18
for like five days Probably
1:16:21
won't drink on this tour Probably
1:16:24
won't drink on this run. I know I'm drinking Winston
1:16:27
Churchill's day and Tom hit me up. He's like
1:16:29
yo Monday night You want to do something and
1:16:31
I was like maybe I'll drink with Tommy. Maybe
1:16:34
if I see Joe Tuesday night, who knows but
1:16:36
uh But for me,
1:16:38
it's about I don't know I
1:16:40
get weird when people tell me what I have to do
1:16:42
and so I can't do that I have to make
1:16:45
my own decisions and and they have
1:16:47
to be organic to me. I have to yeah
1:16:49
and But I need to
1:16:51
have the realization in my head of why I'm making
1:16:53
these decisions I can't just like
1:16:55
I never impulse decisions You don't see sure, you
1:16:57
know when you do something right away and you
1:16:59
do that You don't see the the process of
1:17:01
what goes into it You're giving yourself time to
1:17:04
think and process and go through it and see
1:17:06
a million different sides of it for basic decisions
1:17:08
in life Yeah And for people like
1:17:10
us I can already tell we're really similar in
1:17:12
a lot of these ways that we think I
1:17:15
bought a journal Probably two three months ago.
1:17:17
I've been slowly but surely kind of
1:17:19
doing the same thing I'm not you
1:17:21
know battling that trying to stop drinking as much as possible.
1:17:24
I think I went on one of those you
1:17:26
know horseback rides for the last, you know,
1:17:28
December and no December in
1:17:30
the New Year's and You
1:17:33
know, it's kind of the point where like I'm focused
1:17:35
now. I'm focused on you know What
1:17:38
I enjoy in life and what makes me happy and
1:17:40
I'm pursuing that towards that you know,
1:17:42
I haven't let the alcohol or the Anything
1:17:45
like that really get in the way of
1:17:47
you know, what my you know, main mission
1:17:49
and goal and you know Ambition
1:17:52
is in life and you
1:17:54
know for you It's a fine line because of how
1:17:56
much of your work is intertwined with that. Oh, it's
1:17:58
a fine line because Me even
1:18:00
when I went to go do my movie I wasn't
1:18:02
gonna drink and then my executive producer was like that's
1:18:04
not who he hired. I was like what that's
1:18:06
an issue I was like he was like hey man. He's like you if
1:18:09
you're white-knuckling sobriety
1:18:11
for three months in Serbia because
1:18:14
weren't Serbia and He's
1:18:16
like that. I'm just saying like Enjoy
1:18:19
yourself make this the funnest time you've ever had
1:18:21
and that'll show up around
1:18:24
you if you're having a blast People
1:18:26
will rub sauce and and and I and
1:18:28
I heard that I went cool And then
1:18:30
I put parameters in my head, and I was
1:18:32
like I was like all right Go
1:18:35
out dinner every night, but when I come home. I
1:18:37
got to go to bed I can't stay up drink
1:18:39
and I got to get up every morning at six
1:18:41
my call times at seven I got to go for
1:18:43
a four-mile jog I got it We no matter how
1:18:45
I feel gotta go for four months as a staple
1:18:47
in your life then huh the working out and working
1:18:49
out Just a insane staple even when I was the
1:18:51
fattest I was I was still benching 225
1:18:54
10 times like the fattest I was went to University
1:18:56
of Nebraska And I was like
1:18:58
I forced everyone to go work out everyone's hungover I
1:19:00
just that's where I'm lacking in my life right now I think
1:19:02
it's a big part and when I get back to doing that
1:19:05
you know I think it'll be a game changer
1:19:07
for me I worked out you know to get to being
1:19:09
to the point where you get to the NFL The
1:19:12
workouts and the shit you have to do from the time
1:19:14
and I was one of those like You
1:19:17
know early young Established
1:19:20
like good athletes from the age of 12
1:19:22
so my dad being the hard-ass that he
1:19:24
is Was like you're doing this
1:19:26
drilling me on it for my for my whole life for
1:19:28
the most part Then I get to high school and I
1:19:31
get around these Even more hard-ass
1:19:33
football coaches, and it's just drilled into you drilled
1:19:35
into you drilled into you and then when you
1:19:37
get a scholarship To go
1:19:39
play college football. What are they gonna do to you
1:19:41
there fucking beat you over the head with the weight
1:19:43
with the bell with them You know every single thing
1:19:45
and then when you get to the NFL It's
1:19:48
the same thing if you're not working
1:19:50
hard enough in the gym You're gonna
1:19:52
go get physically fucking punished on
1:19:54
a Sunday or a Monday whenever it is So
1:19:57
after you know the football days were over I really
1:20:00
just took a step back and was like,
1:20:02
I don't want to fucking look at the
1:20:04
gym. I can't imagine a fucking touch away.
1:20:06
I don't want to squat, bench, dumbbell, nothing.
1:20:09
And I think, you know, I just got in
1:20:12
this mindset when I started playing golf over the
1:20:14
last four years and I'm playing 150 rounds a
1:20:16
year. I'm like, Oh, you know what? You know,
1:20:18
my grandpa or my dad, they do this as
1:20:21
their fucking workout. And I'm like, fuck man, I'm
1:20:23
31 years old. Like get your lazy ass back
1:20:25
in the gym. You can't just go walk 18
1:20:28
holes every day and think you're going to be a peak physical
1:20:31
specimen over here. 90%
1:20:33
of the population's like golf is my
1:20:35
workout. It's my dad's workout.
1:20:38
It's tough to be like a part of the
1:20:40
top upper echelon point of the 1% of being
1:20:43
an athlete at one point in time. And then
1:20:45
look back now and be like, Oh yeah, I
1:20:47
walked 18 holes this week, four times. That's, that's
1:20:50
about, you know, I went from running
1:20:52
miles and miles and lifting real weights to being
1:20:54
like, you know, I walked my country
1:20:56
club four times this week. It's
1:20:59
like the peak of my physical activity right
1:21:01
now. I love it. You're like a scratch
1:21:03
golfer. Yeah. Sub course. I
1:21:05
moved to the Mecca, man. I moved, I,
1:21:08
uh, during COVID, I was living in
1:21:10
LA for, you know, from the time I got caught in
1:21:12
Cleveland and where did you live in LA? I was in
1:21:14
the valley. So I was in studio city and it was
1:21:16
right on like Vineland and in between
1:21:19
Vineland and to hunger. And then I went, kept going
1:21:21
down the valley. I went like studio
1:21:23
city Sherman Oaks. And then my last year I
1:21:25
ended up in like Woodland Hills and
1:21:29
just kept getting further and further away
1:21:31
from, from Hollywood and everything that was
1:21:33
in the West Hollywood Hills. And I
1:21:35
still went and enjoyed it. But you
1:21:37
know, after I left LA, I
1:21:39
moved back to Texas and I'd got married in
1:21:42
LA, got divorced. So my whole world was kind
1:21:44
of like, what the fuck just happened after leaving
1:21:46
that, that bender of a, of a
1:21:48
four or five years. And get
1:21:52
back to Texas. And I'm like, man, I'm unhappy.
1:21:54
Like I'm too, I went from being
1:21:56
in a place in LA where nobody gave a shit about me
1:21:58
in a sense. Nobody was coming
1:22:01
up to me on the streets. I'm not fucking You
1:22:03
know, I'm not Robert Downey jr. Out here walking
1:22:05
down the streets or anything and people are you
1:22:07
know going crazy I'm just the guy out there
1:22:10
when I went back to Texas I
1:22:13
felt like the Robert Downey jr. Of Texas
1:22:15
in a sense Yeah I was like fucking
1:22:18
Iron Man walking through the streets of Dallas
1:22:20
or College Station or Austin like I couldn't
1:22:22
turn it off You know, I couldn't hide
1:22:24
from it and like get any peace and
1:22:27
it's not a chaotic You know, it wasn't a
1:22:29
chaotic thing where I'm not able to move or
1:22:32
not able to There's a
1:22:34
difference in taking your you know Your mom
1:22:36
or your sister somewhere going to eat not having
1:22:38
people come up to you and interrupt you're gonna
1:22:40
happen Sure, but getting to spend
1:22:42
that genuine time Like you said that moment that
1:22:44
you were talking about with your daughter, you know
1:22:47
I wasn't getting a chance to do that hardly
1:22:49
ever when I move back to Texas So
1:22:51
I'm like I had a good buddy that
1:22:53
was from out here They had just opened a bunch of bars
1:22:55
in Texas and he's like hey, man Have you ever been to
1:22:57
waste management open? I'm like What
1:23:00
the fuck is the waste management open like
1:23:02
waste management the garbage truck Mecca? Johnny
1:23:07
I know nothing. I'm like I love
1:23:10
golf. I love Scottsdale. I've only been
1:23:12
one time for one night But
1:23:14
it sounds amazing. He's like dude just buck a flight. I'll
1:23:16
pick you up. I got a place to stay Don't worry
1:23:18
about anything. And then I Fucking
1:23:21
got out here and went to that golf tournament. I was like Oh
1:23:24
Holy fuck waste management is
1:23:28
fucking epic. Holy fuck. What is this
1:23:30
place out here? You mean the weather's
1:23:32
like this every day fucking it's 75
1:23:34
and sunny and there's all these golf
1:23:36
courses and there's all these girls And
1:23:38
there's all these Arizona girls are
1:23:40
a little different than girls around the world I
1:23:42
always used to think Florida girls ruled and then
1:23:44
I came out to Arizona and I was like,
1:23:46
oh this is new this is new Bob it's
1:23:49
some it's like a It's
1:23:51
not like your California girls and it's not like
1:23:53
your Texas or your for it's like its own
1:23:56
unique kind of thing. I think there's great people
1:23:58
out here. Like I think there's unbelievable. All very
1:24:00
got. It's a little bit of the frontier style to
1:24:02
it's there's and and I was traveling as much as
1:24:04
I have. When you go to place like Alaska, you
1:24:07
realize. And I mean this with
1:24:09
respect to Alaska state it's a it's a weird
1:24:11
person ago I'm getting away from everyone was for
1:24:13
a lot of people are running away from a
1:24:15
lot of things else. Think the surfers up there
1:24:17
have got bodies on it like they are like
1:24:19
never said they they bury their bodies him same
1:24:22
way as are women. it doubly know my bro
1:24:24
and hands or hundred I'm so so and then
1:24:26
when you go to like sort of for me
1:24:28
grown up that's where all the uncles from Philadelphia,
1:24:30
New York, New Jersey moved with. they got an
1:24:33
eight when they got over that as they are
1:24:35
they have a couple be wise it's as and
1:24:37
then we got going to get some sun at
1:24:39
but are but Arizona does have that. A
1:24:41
little bit of that. Are you not
1:24:43
taking my guns from me? I'm a little
1:24:46
bit of an independent thinker like I remember
1:24:48
coming under doing shows during the pandemic. And.
1:24:51
I'm I'm I'm in Er for so indoors
1:24:53
and no one was wearing a mask and
1:24:55
appendices. Light? I'm talking fuck in June one
1:24:58
eyewitness the high and are like Aids of
1:25:00
flu and as I got a spike in
1:25:02
Arizona. Misspoken. Arizona I
1:25:04
feel like I mean it makes sense where we're
1:25:06
located geographically to be our I drive back to
1:25:08
Texas every summer when it gets hot here and
1:25:11
been there some the spend my summers there for
1:25:13
the most part but were located right in between
1:25:15
Tally and pretty much right in between sexes. So
1:25:17
this place has a very like west coast kind
1:25:19
of feel to it. a little bit in i'm
1:25:22
only. Forty five minute flight to
1:25:24
Vegas, a mile, an hour and a half
1:25:26
allies or west coast. For. The most
1:25:28
part. but then like your sandwich or gods
1:25:30
in the way things word or uncovered a
1:25:32
very much had a Texas feel to as
1:25:34
soon as others. Unbelievable transition for man. I
1:25:36
like the weather better out here, you know.
1:25:38
I was never. A My only time I
1:25:40
ever really got the snow or did the cold was live in
1:25:43
in Cleveland for those two years and that was more like a.
1:25:45
A. Sentence than anything. To think there's a city.
1:25:47
Do you think there's a city? Like.
1:25:50
In hindsight, The you could
1:25:52
have played your first year at. Where.
1:25:54
You said because I love there are some
1:25:56
I want my specifically when I love the
1:25:59
Than Clinton and in place and that everyone
1:26:01
has such intense civic pride. Did not a
1:26:03
lot of people leave Cleveland like they're like
1:26:05
yo this is my town. Once I'm gone
1:26:07
into a fishbowl, go and from Uc a
1:26:09
college town like College Station, go on from
1:26:11
there. And being a man like really been
1:26:14
in a fishbowl, It only got
1:26:16
bigger when I went to Cleveland I
1:26:18
in just me going anywhere doing anything
1:26:20
driving around town and know i i
1:26:22
signed with a Bond James when I
1:26:24
wear his agency when I went to
1:26:26
Cleveland. And. He came back from the
1:26:28
Miami Heat to the Cavs at the same
1:26:31
time I like we were very much to
1:26:33
in business and entered swine together and. Hanging.
1:26:36
Out those guys a lot so I think
1:26:38
that only like magnified my like. A.
1:26:40
Whole was like the situation in Cleveland. yeah
1:26:42
just like if I lived in an apartment
1:26:45
downtown it's also doubled as a hotel. and
1:26:47
try getting in and out of that fucking
1:26:49
place with i think i'm I know that
1:26:51
place suffer the but Cleveland's it. I was
1:26:53
always thinking Cleveland's one of those to buffalo
1:26:56
be a top down Seattle the uptown hyper
1:26:58
to get into a place to add that
1:27:00
to do with town any to get a
1:27:02
place that for to have gone right it
1:27:04
would a had been strictly football I would
1:27:07
have had to bend. And.
1:27:09
A Foxborough relax in a New England situation.
1:27:11
Us couldn't have been Dallas trend of in
1:27:13
Houston for the been Miami that kinda been
1:27:16
any real real big city baby Buffalo my
1:27:18
name when been a fucking nightmare nightmare Dallas
1:27:20
what about everybody ask me and always I
1:27:22
get this question or anything like what about
1:27:24
the Cowboys draft in your that your and
1:27:27
I'm like man. I.
1:27:29
Would have made double the amount of money and I
1:27:31
made an hour. Would have not had to move from
1:27:34
Texas. I do. I don't think I would have been
1:27:36
alive. I really like really
1:27:38
genuinely. To my core the feeling as
1:27:40
I have is something would have gone
1:27:42
so horribly wrong that probably would end
1:27:44
up costing me my life. Yeah.
1:27:46
I think New York was the perfect place for me
1:27:48
to start stand up. Because. If I'd stayed
1:27:50
in Florida, I would have never left Florida and never
1:27:52
would have left Florida. If I
1:27:55
had moved to a smaller, spotless cargo,
1:27:57
I was not a guy. That
1:27:59
could have. Gone. To a
1:28:01
smaller market and excelled and then moved
1:28:03
to big markets I'd get thrown in.
1:28:06
To. the fire sometimes us how people are known
1:28:08
on your issue for us cities or the other
1:28:10
than scam I'll time of like. A
1:28:12
while to stay with this guy who's like of
1:28:14
teachers like babies, how to swim and he literally
1:28:16
has am I gonna live Just have to take
1:28:19
some and he just wants his on into the
1:28:21
pool same way of you you know you think
1:28:23
about in life that way for you. For me
1:28:25
it would have been you know better just to
1:28:27
be thrown into that and the dependence and see
1:28:29
how it goes. I'm in a comedy that probably.
1:28:32
Takes. You a long long way. Yeah, you
1:28:34
probably have to have a lot of you
1:28:36
know life lessons and morals and things that
1:28:39
you com the you solidified during your time
1:28:41
doing that. Been in a place like that
1:28:43
was crazy to me as like me, grown
1:28:45
up so so. Aggressively
1:28:47
in Florida. Said I
1:28:49
remember. It was
1:28:52
Crazy. I
1:28:54
remember the first time I did coat in front
1:28:56
of people in New York. And.
1:29:00
Salad. To Jordan Ruben. Is
1:29:02
fucking best The Great Tractor and is a brilliant
1:29:04
comic. We. Were at his house
1:29:06
he had great house and so have a say
1:29:08
the modified. Don't use bedroom.
1:29:10
get high. Who's I get
1:29:12
cool. I was with three models and
1:29:14
walked in. We took his mirror off
1:29:16
the wall. Burma's to
1:29:19
on his bed. And. He was
1:29:21
like and he walked and behind us has three
1:29:23
models and is the fuck you doing. As
1:29:25
we don't coke he's a very getting high
1:29:27
as and I'm over thinking I would never
1:29:30
smoke weed in your bedroom I guess. So
1:29:32
disrespectful and as a know we're doing coke
1:29:34
and then I. Realized.
1:29:37
i was a little bit of a fish
1:29:39
or water not everyone did coped the way
1:29:41
we did and i do at a time
1:29:43
but we definitely we wd coconuts as he
1:29:45
dabbles yet i would vote sister who was
1:29:47
rooting for to say no if someone offered
1:29:49
you cope that meant to this day i
1:29:51
bought you know how far this bridge as
1:29:53
a triple digits at this point right now
1:29:55
you're going to say nothing of i got
1:29:57
i got them cope by out by of
1:29:59
famous first than recently and
1:30:02
it broke my heart to say no to him
1:30:04
because I know the vulnerability. When
1:30:07
you offer someone coke, I know that it's
1:30:10
really like a first kiss, like you're going, hey man,
1:30:12
I think you're cool. I'm breaking
1:30:14
bread with you right now. Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking cool. I've
1:30:17
been hiding this in my pocket, but
1:30:20
I'm waiting for you and then I had to say,
1:30:22
man, I'm so sorry, I was 50 at the time.
1:30:25
I was like, I got high blood pressure. I
1:30:27
can't be the guy that has a stroke hanging out
1:30:30
with you because I decided I'm going to fucking be
1:30:32
young again. I was like, I'm so, and I fucking
1:30:34
apologized to him. I was like, I'm sorry, and
1:30:36
he was like, no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make this weird.
1:30:38
And I go, no, no, I'm sorry. I wish, I guess I was
1:30:40
right. So now you have this weird interaction going on where your both
1:30:42
just sit there apologizing to each other. I
1:30:44
felt growing up in Florida, it was rude if someone offered
1:30:46
you coke not to do it with them or if someone
1:30:48
extended the offer. I never, I've known, I've never said no
1:30:51
to a joint as it gets passed around. It's just, I
1:30:53
don't know, it was the way we were raised. And when I moved to New York
1:30:55
and I realized none of the white dudes did
1:30:58
coke, none of them did. And
1:31:00
I was like, okay, I don't want to be this fish
1:31:02
out of water, be the one white guy that does coke.
1:31:04
So I just was like, if
1:31:06
I do it, it was, if I ever did,
1:31:08
it was always with brothers that, brothers,
1:31:11
black dudes and white dudes snort coke differently. It was
1:31:13
an old joke I used to have. Black guys always
1:31:15
take a little key bump or like fingernail or a
1:31:17
corner of a matchbox. White guys dump the bag upside
1:31:19
down and cut rails. And black guys were always like,
1:31:22
yo, what the fuck? That's all our coke. And I'm
1:31:24
like, oh, my dad's paying for it. So,
1:31:28
but I needed to see the
1:31:30
different ways people
1:31:32
interacted. And then I was like, all right,
1:31:35
I get it. And then I came out
1:31:37
to LA and coke was fucking everywhere. Fucking
1:31:39
all over the Hollywood house. Coke was everywhere.
1:31:41
And I was like, but I'd already, I
1:31:44
did maybe once or twice or
1:31:46
a handful of times in LA, but
1:31:49
I had some, one of
1:31:52
the most beautiful experiences. I
1:31:54
mean, it sucks because you do
1:31:56
have these crazy life. experiences
1:32:00
that you'll never have ever
1:32:05
You know and I look back
1:32:07
I'm so glad I had him but having two daughters I
1:32:10
just say them It's not fucking worth 100% it's not
1:32:12
worth it. It's so not worth it Especially what coke
1:32:14
is these days with fentanyl in it it is it
1:32:16
is I mean you
1:32:18
gotta think back It's been around forever You've
1:32:21
there's a million horror stories out there of
1:32:23
what you're gonna hear of what
1:32:25
it can get you to of how deep
1:32:27
down The no sleep everything like it truly is
1:32:29
and I say this now today I wouldn't
1:32:32
have said this five years ago, but it's
1:32:34
truly like the devil's drug It's truly
1:32:36
like something that'll bring you down and
1:32:38
slowly but surely as you feel
1:32:41
Internally like you're being lifted up
1:32:44
like it's making you feel awesome these memories
1:32:46
everything But slowly but surely at the
1:32:48
same time in reality It's really dragging you down to
1:32:50
a place and you don't see it You'd never see
1:32:52
it and you never seen until it's too late and
1:32:54
you know I loser my my year of 2016 Was
1:32:58
probably the height of me
1:33:01
really getting into that and dabbling with
1:33:03
that and I left Cleveland 215
1:33:07
pounds pretty rock fucking solid and I
1:33:11
went to Vegas that
1:33:13
September October after
1:33:16
being cut that January and I stepped
1:33:18
on a fucking scale in Vegas and
1:33:21
I Everything in my
1:33:23
mind everything around me is telling me Life
1:33:26
is good and you're great. Just fucking keep
1:33:28
going with the flow. Keep fucking spending keep
1:33:30
fucking partying And I stepped on
1:33:32
that fucking scale man. I was like a
1:33:34
hundred and sixty three pounds. Holy shit I was
1:33:38
like a 50 60 pound
1:33:40
difference that I didn't even fucking feel
1:33:42
it didn't even notice it Didn't even
1:33:44
notice that I was buying I went
1:33:47
from Excel everything 34
1:33:49
waste and every single freaking thing and when I got
1:33:52
back home after that year and I went to my
1:33:54
closet and I was like What
1:33:56
the fuck is going? What the fuck is going
1:33:58
on? Yeah, and then slowly but surely over time
1:34:01
as I like clean myself up and I got my
1:34:03
shit together, you know, I
1:34:05
started being hyper aware of the
1:34:07
people like I always felt
1:34:09
me that I wasn't
1:34:12
worthy of being in certain situations that I
1:34:14
get it. I'll give you an example. If
1:34:17
I go to the mothership and Tony
1:34:21
sends Yoni to get me at the front door
1:34:23
and walk me in and let me hang out
1:34:25
at Mitzi's and then walk me up and go,
1:34:27
you know, be around Ron
1:34:29
White, around Joe Rogan, around Tim
1:34:32
Dillon, all these guys that I've met around
1:34:34
there. There's times where I'm around
1:34:36
people that I've seen on TV from when I
1:34:38
was a kid or watch their comedy specials or
1:34:41
this and that, that always
1:34:43
my natural inclination is that, why am I
1:34:45
here? Why me, right? Like
1:34:48
why do, why I'm not deserving
1:34:50
of getting treatment like this or
1:34:53
being, hang around these guys that are successful,
1:34:55
legendary from my eyes and my point
1:34:57
of view and to millions of other
1:35:00
people as well. How am I here?
1:35:02
Right? I started being super hyper aware
1:35:04
of, you know, the people that I
1:35:06
was around, the
1:35:09
legends that I'm around. And you know what
1:35:11
I didn't see any of these fucking legends,
1:35:13
not in just that situation, but in all
1:35:15
around the globe, all around the country. I
1:35:18
didn't see any of those guys fucking running in the
1:35:21
bathroom. No. I didn't see any of
1:35:23
those guys fucking taking a bag out of their pocket to
1:35:25
take a pinch of fucking blow. Yeah. I
1:35:27
didn't see them like, yeah, maybe I see them go outside, smoke
1:35:29
a cigarette and passing around to join or something. Cool.
1:35:32
All good. Yeah. But
1:35:35
I started to be like, I asked myself a question like, isn't that what
1:35:37
you want to be like? Isn't that what you want to
1:35:39
be? Successful
1:35:41
with money, with good friends,
1:35:43
with good people around, with happiness,
1:35:45
with joy, respected. Yeah. Isn't
1:35:48
that what you want for your life? What that's what you want
1:35:50
for your life, do as they do. Follow
1:35:52
in their footsteps. Write
1:35:54
that, everyone, if you have a journal, write that in your journal.
1:35:57
If you surround yourself with greatness, you're forced to be
1:35:59
great. Surround yourself with shit long enough, you're gonna get
1:36:01
some on you. Buddy. And
1:36:05
that's really, you know, I haven't
1:36:07
even told Tony or any of those guys
1:36:09
this, like how much that being around that
1:36:11
whole, what they have going on in Austin,
1:36:13
how special I see it is. Being
1:36:16
a Hill Country kid, seeing what
1:36:18
they're doing, having comedians move in, they
1:36:20
have a whole movement going on down
1:36:22
there and a movement of people who
1:36:25
are respected, legendary, influential and have
1:36:27
their fucking shit together for the
1:36:29
most part. And I
1:36:32
want to be like that. I want to be
1:36:34
like the guys that, you know, I get a chance to
1:36:36
randomly one off here and there go to dinner with. I
1:36:38
want to be, I got
1:36:40
a chance, and this was really crazy for me the
1:36:42
other night, I got a chance to go to dinner
1:36:44
with Drake and Tillman Fritita, who owns the Houston Rockets.
1:36:47
And just to be a fly on that wall in
1:36:49
the room for a night, I left there the next
1:36:51
morning and was like, still my
1:36:54
jaw dropped. Just picking up little
1:36:56
things, getting a chance to have that kind of banter.
1:36:58
I'm like, that's what I want to be like. Luckily,
1:37:01
I, you know, haven't messed things up enough
1:37:03
in my life where I can keep, and
1:37:05
I've been such a genuine, organic person the
1:37:07
whole time throughout all of it, even if
1:37:09
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keep relationships that I probably don't deserve and
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shouldn't have kept. That's
1:39:09
the beauty of life. I mean that's the beauty.
1:39:12
First of all you're still so fucking young. I
1:39:14
was at 30 what do you 31? At
1:39:17
31 I had just had a kid. I
1:39:20
was making $700 a week on the road. I
1:39:23
didn't have anything and I didn't have a plan. So
1:39:27
many people right now are 29, 30, 31 years old, 35 years old listening
1:39:29
to this going like
1:39:32
fuck I haven't done my
1:39:34
thing yet. That's the coolest part of
1:39:38
where I see your journey going. I
1:39:41
can't wait to see where this goes
1:39:43
because you do seem and
1:39:45
from my perspective, my perspective is always skewed
1:39:47
but I love a dude
1:39:50
who can get loose and then pull
1:39:53
it together and go I haven't changed.
1:39:55
I'm still the same person but I'm a
1:39:57
little more focused and I really honestly and
1:39:59
I I say
1:40:01
this in my
1:40:04
path is when I reached out to you is
1:40:06
right when I was starting to figure out like,
1:40:09
and I had had a bunch of success and I
1:40:11
had had it and I hadn't really
1:40:13
fucked it up because everything was still,
1:40:15
everything was on track. But
1:40:18
I was like, oh, you
1:40:20
got to get centered. You got to fucking,
1:40:22
you got to pull it in, get the
1:40:25
fucking shit away from you, pull it in
1:40:27
and get yourself together so that when you
1:40:29
wake up, you're in your head saying clear
1:40:32
shit, not the fucking blinders of hungovers, fuck
1:40:34
your back hurts. You're like, what the fuck
1:40:36
did I say last night? Just the clear
1:40:39
shit when you wake up and you go,
1:40:41
all right, I got today. I can
1:40:44
do today. I can appreciate fucking the
1:40:46
beauty of life and I can get up
1:40:48
and you know, and then those
1:40:50
building blocks established the
1:40:53
great man. I believe. I feel bad for dudes who
1:40:55
got sober at 16 who, you know,
1:40:57
never really got to enjoy martinis or
1:40:59
margaritas. I feel bad for dudes who
1:41:02
got on the, got off the rails and then they
1:41:04
could never fucking figured out
1:41:06
or maybe addiction got them in a hard
1:41:08
way because me and all my guys I
1:41:10
grew up with and I think I'm still
1:41:13
a really regular person is
1:41:15
yeah, we've gotten off the rails
1:41:17
every now and then, but you always bring it
1:41:20
back focused to what you to
1:41:22
like, I'm still going to fucking succeed.
1:41:25
And there's, there's, you know, the
1:41:27
thing about when you get to a point and the guys who
1:41:30
do get sober first step in
1:41:32
AA is admitting that my life has
1:41:34
become unmanageable. You know, there
1:41:36
was a point in time where I think I, my
1:41:38
life was so twisted and backwards and upside down,
1:41:40
but I always feel like
1:41:43
I'm to the point where I can manage
1:41:45
my life, right? Manage my family, manage my
1:41:47
finances, manage, you know, X, Y, and
1:41:49
Z that's going around me. I
1:41:51
know that's just like, you know, to each his own. Some
1:41:53
people cling on to that, you know,
1:41:55
I think AA is an amazing thing. You know, I,
1:41:57
I, I think people. I've
1:42:00
learned so much from, after
1:42:04
my first year in Cleveland, I went to rehab
1:42:06
for my entire first off season. I went for
1:42:08
three months and I didn't
1:42:10
feel like I necessarily resonated to
1:42:13
the fullest extent, but I know when I was in there,
1:42:15
I was gonna make the most of my time if this
1:42:17
is what my off season was gonna be. And
1:42:20
I learned so much. And for anybody out there that
1:42:22
like listens out, they go, oh, three months in fucking
1:42:24
rehab, you think you're gonna fucking know it all? Well,
1:42:26
no. But I've taken what
1:42:28
I've learned from that and applied a lot
1:42:31
of those same principles and moral and values
1:42:33
and everything into my day-to-day life. And I
1:42:35
think it's helped me live a
1:42:37
better life. And I think it's
1:42:39
helped me see things
1:42:42
in a different perspective on drinking
1:42:44
and on drugs and
1:42:46
alcohol and what it is. And
1:42:48
I'm thankful for having read
1:42:51
the book, going through it, reading it, and got
1:42:53
a chance to learn it and know it a
1:42:55
little bit, because everybody's journey is different. Everybody's journey
1:42:57
is different. Everyone's journey is different. And
1:42:59
even like we said in the very beginning, our
1:43:02
journey may be different in 10 years. We may be sitting
1:43:04
there going, man, that's crazy. It could be a complete 180.
1:43:06
You could be going in your life down a completely different
1:43:08
path that you don't know. And anyone in recovery who's hearing
1:43:10
this and going, oh, come on, what the fuck are you
1:43:12
guys talking about? Look, it's our journey. Let us have our
1:43:14
journey. And a lot of those
1:43:16
moments that you had, and I apply them
1:43:19
to our old Soba Octobers, which was only
1:43:21
a month. What that is,
1:43:23
I journaled about
1:43:25
this one morning, was muscle memory.
1:43:28
Muscle memory for anyone who's never lifted weights
1:43:30
is, once you can bench
1:43:32
135 10 times in freshman year in
1:43:35
high school, you never really get away from 135. Like
1:43:38
135 is always your threshold. You're always gonna be able to
1:43:40
throw up 135. Once you get to 225, once, 225
1:43:44
is where you're always gonna get back to 225. That's
1:43:47
muscle memory. It's just your muscle
1:43:49
just seems to, I don't know. And I
1:43:51
think those- It thinks for itself.
1:43:53
Your muscles, things for themselves, they just go. They
1:43:55
just do what you trained them to do. And
1:43:58
you learn these little exercises, whether it's- in
1:44:00
rehab or a month sober or three months
1:44:02
sober or a year sober or whatever it
1:44:04
tends to be, these little things,
1:44:07
they resonate and they stick with you
1:44:10
and you go, okay, I
1:44:13
know for a fact that fucking Fireball is
1:44:15
not good with me. We learned
1:44:17
that. We learned that in that
1:44:19
one month where we're like, yo man, why the fuck
1:44:21
is that? I used to think Fireball wasn't a real drink.
1:44:23
I mean, I used to really say I can drink
1:44:25
Fireball all fucking night. And so that's
1:44:28
what I think is cool about,
1:44:30
for me, these
1:44:32
stents of sobriety have always been like,
1:44:34
yo, do some deep dives, work on
1:44:36
some fucking techniques, figure things out.
1:44:39
And if you fuck up, just get
1:44:41
back and figure it out again and allow
1:44:43
yourself the forgiveness.
1:44:45
That's another thing I joined about the other
1:44:48
day. Forgiving myself. Forgiving yourself is the absolute
1:44:51
hardest thing you can do. Still continuing to work
1:44:54
on that. That's a very, very big key in
1:44:56
my life right now is to continue to forgive
1:44:58
myself. I always see myself
1:45:00
in a light that not everybody else does. I
1:45:02
don't see myself as this big fucking college
1:45:05
football superstar guy who played for like, I just
1:45:08
don't, it's never been that way for me. I've
1:45:10
never seen myself as that. So
1:45:12
when you get to that point and you make
1:45:14
mistakes in your life that jeopardize one path that
1:45:16
we have talked about may not have been the
1:45:18
right path, but there's still self-forgiveness
1:45:21
that you have to have in there to get over
1:45:23
certain things. Because for three, four years,
1:45:25
five years of my life, if I heard the
1:45:28
fucking word Cleveland, I'm going to fucking rip you
1:45:30
apart. If I saw a Browns game
1:45:32
on TV, I'd pick a fucking remote up and throw
1:45:34
it through the TV. I was
1:45:36
just mad at myself about how I handled the situation.
1:45:38
And it had to, took me a long,
1:45:40
long time to get to the
1:45:42
point of forgiveness. And I'm able to sit
1:45:44
here today and speak like this just over
1:45:47
trial and error consistently. If I would have
1:45:49
done this podcast with you when
1:45:51
we were originally going to do it after the
1:45:53
documentary, it wouldn't be like this. It would be
1:45:55
completely different. And I feel
1:45:57
really since probably. December
1:46:00
that life is starting to
1:46:02
be unfolding for me in a way
1:46:05
that I've never felt, never felt
1:46:07
things in the world and the universe
1:46:09
kind of conspired to give me hope
1:46:11
and things moving forward in the future. I
1:46:14
never felt that. I've always felt like
1:46:16
I was, since football left me, lacking
1:46:20
a drive, lacking a purpose, lacking something that
1:46:22
gets me up out of bed every day
1:46:24
and something that I want to strive towards.
1:46:27
I didn't know what it was. I
1:46:29
haven't really done much business other than what I've had with
1:46:31
my agents or this and that. So how
1:46:33
can I go into a business route? How can I do this? Like slowly
1:46:37
but surely I'm like, you know what? I
1:46:39
like playing golf with my boys. I enjoy my friends.
1:46:42
My friends make me happy. Now how can I turn
1:46:44
that into a business for this and that? Around
1:46:47
December I started finding and seeing the universe
1:46:49
conspired to give and put things and people
1:46:51
in my life in a way that started
1:46:53
to show me a drive and a purpose.
1:46:55
And if people were going to ask me
1:46:58
moving forward, how did you get to
1:47:00
that point? And I'll really just say
1:47:02
like it comes in time. It
1:47:04
comes on your own watch, on your own
1:47:06
time with things needing to be right in
1:47:08
the world for you to have that opportunity.
1:47:11
Or maybe your mind is closed
1:47:13
off and you don't see all the opportunity that's
1:47:15
floating around you because your mind won't allow you
1:47:17
to see it. Those are two different
1:47:19
ways to look at it. And
1:47:22
then the other thing, the universe being kind to you is
1:47:24
really, because sometimes, I
1:47:27
know you felt this because I know I felt this.
1:47:29
I see the universe attacking me and
1:47:31
I'm like, why the fuck dude? What the fuck?
1:47:34
And then being able to
1:47:36
sit and go, oh, the universe has given me a bunch
1:47:38
of blessings and I'm in a place
1:47:40
to receive them and recognize them and
1:47:43
then capitalize on them and
1:47:46
go like joy was a big word for
1:47:48
me. I think
1:47:50
I had quantified joy in drinking
1:47:52
on an airplane and getting creative and listening
1:47:54
to music and writing and being like, I
1:47:56
should do this, I should do that. Or
1:47:59
joy for me. was really honestly was like
1:48:01
doing a good promo video and then it
1:48:03
responding well and go going viral online or
1:48:06
selling tickets. That was my joy. And
1:48:08
then I had this period this past six months
1:48:10
where I started quantifying joy in
1:48:13
the universe giving me blessings of like, yo,
1:48:16
man, you got a cool
1:48:18
backyard. And I was like, oh,
1:48:20
fuck, I do have a lot of stuff around me.
1:48:22
That's amazing. I do have a cool
1:48:24
fucking back is fucking still hot. Like, oh shit. Like
1:48:26
if I was getting beaten up,
1:48:29
I maybe couldn't appreciate this chick
1:48:31
that's given me so much in
1:48:33
my life. Or like this morning
1:48:35
I had great joy this morning. And
1:48:37
I was about to do a podcast with you.
1:48:39
I listened to you with busting with the boys,
1:48:41
which is such a great fucking pod. It's such
1:48:43
a great pod. It's such a great
1:48:45
pod on so many levels because you and
1:48:48
Taylor were in the same draft class. And
1:48:50
will was always that journeyman who busted
1:48:52
his ass. So it was so, so
1:48:55
interesting. It was the most fascinating
1:48:57
part of that podcast because
1:49:00
I know Taylor very well. Was
1:49:03
Taylor on maybe
1:49:05
draft day watching you hold court
1:49:07
at a bar going, I wish I was that
1:49:09
guy. How do I become that guy?
1:49:11
Now knowing Taylor, he is to that
1:49:14
guy holds that guy holds court in
1:49:16
the most magnificent epic of ways. He
1:49:20
is such an inspirational. Those
1:49:22
two dudes from where they were in football,
1:49:24
which, which we all know the stories, those
1:49:27
guys respectfully fall
1:49:30
by the wayside and you just run into them on
1:49:32
a golf course one day and you're like, Hey, you
1:49:34
play for the Titans. Oh, that's so cool. Can I
1:49:36
get a pic? Oh cool. You
1:49:38
lost a lot of weight, but now to see
1:49:40
what they're doing in media and in Nashville, it's
1:49:43
so inspiring. The cool thing is you would know those
1:49:45
guys if you ran into them on a golf course
1:49:47
and that situation happened. Hey, can I get a pic
1:49:49
or this and that? They
1:49:51
are the kind of people that would leave a pressure impression
1:49:53
on you after a 32nd interaction.
1:49:56
Yes. And it's hands down. It's
1:49:58
awesome. We've been trying to get
1:50:00
it done for a while and it was just like, I don't
1:50:03
like sitting there telling stories on a, you know, the
1:50:05
media thing now is just like, you know, anybody can
1:50:07
come interview you for this and that. I
1:50:10
only do interviews and do podcasts and stuff with
1:50:12
people. I think I'm going to have a genuine
1:50:14
organic chemistry with to go and shoot the shit.
1:50:16
A podcast shouldn't be this whole,
1:50:18
you know, media
1:50:21
CNN type of vibe where you're like on
1:50:23
these stages with this shit. It should be
1:50:25
two fucking guys or you and Tom or
1:50:27
whoever it is type of podcast, whatever your
1:50:30
podcast is just sitting and talking and shooting
1:50:32
the shit. We sit in here,
1:50:34
walk in. We don't, I
1:50:36
was going to tell you to begin. We should just sit
1:50:38
down and fucking do it. I hate wasting good moments of
1:50:40
a podcast on the chitchat and the small
1:50:42
town, turn the cameras on before, let him sit down. Let's
1:50:45
just start talking. Yes. It's the best.
1:50:47
And finding a vibe of going like, you know, I
1:50:49
think sometimes I've done these interviews where they, with
1:50:52
the guy interviewing you is totally different than you and
1:50:54
he wants to get to the bottom of you and
1:50:56
figure you out. And I'm like, man, you're
1:50:58
never going to figure me out. I don't know me.
1:51:01
Like, we're still working on that, knowing each other, the
1:51:03
process of our own life. So how am I going to
1:51:05
sit here with you and let you come to the bottom?
1:51:07
And then maybe we can, maybe I can get some things
1:51:09
from you to take back home to where maybe I can
1:51:11
better my life. Yeah. It's the,
1:51:13
you know, when you talk about recognizing the universe, one
1:51:16
of the big things, my big takeaway and it
1:51:18
was, you know, it's hard. It was hard was
1:51:21
to learn to be a fan of shit and
1:51:23
learn to really love shit. And
1:51:25
like, I mean, I'll use Taylor and Wilkes.
1:51:27
We brought them up, but like watching
1:51:30
those two dudes blow up, there
1:51:32
are, there are definitely guys that
1:51:35
hate them. Of course. And there
1:51:37
are podcasters that dislike them because they're like,
1:51:40
oh, oh, come on, man.
1:51:42
I'm not that guy because I
1:51:45
like Shane Gillis fucking loved those guys.
1:51:47
Day one, I was like, I love
1:51:49
that they're fucking ambitious. I love that
1:51:51
they fucking talk shit. I love
1:51:54
that they, I love that their fans are shit too. Like
1:51:56
I love their energy. And I think that's quantifying
1:51:59
when the universe. versus succeeding
1:52:01
for you. And that's
1:52:03
the one thing that I say to anyone, fucking
1:52:07
leaving negative comments and hating, hate
1:52:09
watching Instagram or hate watching YouTube
1:52:12
or hate watching sports, they hate
1:52:14
watch sports. Find
1:52:17
the moment where you can really
1:52:19
say, how cool is this? I love
1:52:21
going to a sporting event and
1:52:23
going in and going, I
1:52:26
have a very specific way to do it. I don't bring
1:52:28
a jersey, I don't bring anything, and I go to their
1:52:30
team store and I deck myself out. I
1:52:32
go, oh, I'm fucking decking myself out. And then
1:52:34
I love getting good seats, I love bringing a
1:52:36
bunch of people, I love really enjoying the fucking
1:52:38
moment and going like, fuck yeah, man.
1:52:40
Like I went so far the other night, I was
1:52:43
like, this is like a fucking cathedral. Like I
1:52:45
know they say the Grand Canyon's beautiful,
1:52:48
but this is pretty fucking spectacular. And
1:52:50
so I think that's the
1:52:53
coolest thing. And it's what I love
1:52:55
in podcasting, it's what I love about Joe. I'll talk
1:52:57
about the positives of Joe, is Joe
1:52:59
is the most curious man you'll ever fucking meet. You
1:53:01
can see it in his eyes when he talks to
1:53:03
you, and I know you've seen these eyes. When he
1:53:06
squints them and he goes, oh
1:53:08
no, he's really inquisitive as fuck. He
1:53:11
is. And what's brilliant about Joe, and this
1:53:13
is also Men as a Compliment,
1:53:16
is there's a lot of stuff he doesn't
1:53:18
know about. Like there's a lot.
1:53:20
Like, and he loves
1:53:22
learning about it. Like he does not
1:53:24
follow football. I listen to, I listen
1:53:27
pretty much almost every night.
1:53:30
I have a hard time shutting my brain down and
1:53:32
like winding off like a very hard time. I don't
1:53:34
do the Xanax anymore. He just can't
1:53:37
wake up the next day, leaves me too groggy. They're too
1:53:39
fucking strong is what they are for me. Like, I wish
1:53:41
you made babies in it. I need a half of a
1:53:43
baby Xanax. But
1:53:47
that's exactly- Everyone's like, try melatonin. And they go,
1:53:50
nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, I've been there. But
1:53:52
every night I pretty much pick an episode and
1:53:54
I'll just go on a Rogan
1:53:56
episode. And like, I'm inquisitive
1:53:58
in the same way where I want to-
1:54:00
learn about shit that I wouldn't have any
1:54:02
interest in learning about. And I'll go get
1:54:06
on some rabbit hole of going down
1:54:08
three episodes of the Native Americans coming
1:54:10
to the United States, or I'll go
1:54:12
do the Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, going
1:54:15
back to like, you know, the
1:54:17
end of the world and all these apocalypse and stuff. And
1:54:19
like literally every night I'll fall asleep and I get about
1:54:21
30 minutes in and then I'll stop a timer at 30
1:54:23
minutes and I'll literally through a week, I'll finish like a
1:54:25
pod just to put me to sleep. And you know what,
1:54:28
when I wake up the next day, I'll be like, holy
1:54:30
fuck, I didn't know that that guy got
1:54:32
murdered on the Comanche Plains in 1700. They
1:54:35
cut her nose off. I
1:54:38
mean, it's crazy. It's
1:54:40
crazy what I, and it's the other thing
1:54:42
I think when we talk about college, I
1:54:45
think college, when
1:54:47
we were kids, or I was more than
1:54:49
you, but it was like college is like
1:54:51
learn how to do a thing, be a
1:54:53
finance major and then get into finance. Now
1:54:55
with podcasting, I'm like, oh, bro, or just
1:54:57
study Native Americans and write books about it.
1:55:00
That's what you're into. Get into psychedelics and fucking
1:55:03
go do ayahuasca and write a book about
1:55:05
that or do find your fucking passion and
1:55:07
just, and if
1:55:09
you go to college, use it to
1:55:11
establish social skills and find
1:55:13
out who you are and find out what your interests
1:55:15
are. Ran into a kid in Mexico. He's like,
1:55:17
yeah, I'm in school in London and I don't know what the fuck
1:55:20
I want to do. And I go, hey, fuck it. You're in London.
1:55:22
Like, find out what's cool in London. There's
1:55:24
so much shit that I
1:55:26
go use this period to find your interests.
1:55:29
Don't go like my interests need to be in college.
1:55:31
Find your interests. Oh, 100%. The
1:55:33
only thing I wish I would have gone back in
1:55:35
time, like being back in college, if I could have done
1:55:38
anything different, I did the living part. I did the
1:55:40
social part. You did college better than anyone. I did
1:55:42
college really, really the white way. I think there was a
1:55:44
couple other things you can teach yourself as a young
1:55:46
kid. I remember sense of freedom
1:55:48
when your family drops you off at college for the
1:55:50
first time in the first night that you spend in
1:55:53
your dorm or your apartment under your
1:55:56
own roof for the first time. One
1:55:58
that you're like, for me, my scholarship.
1:56:00
I'm paying for this. My athletic ability
1:56:02
is giving me the opportunity to call
1:56:04
this my roof, my house, my room.
1:56:07
And I'll just never forget that first time of being
1:56:10
on your own and the feeling of like all
1:56:12
that pent-up energy as a kid being under
1:56:14
your family's roof like just like
1:56:17
flooding out into into the streets of
1:56:19
wherever, you know college station from for
1:56:21
you know, my sake. It's a great
1:56:23
place to go to college. It was
1:56:25
it was really cool to have a
1:56:27
you know, there's a 120,000
1:56:29
people in the town and there's 65,000
1:56:32
undergrad students there. So I mean it's like it's
1:56:34
a unique it's a unique thing, you know, I
1:56:36
wish there were some things I would have just
1:56:38
you know, there's life skills that you can teach
1:56:40
yourself just about you know
1:56:43
managing finances in the right way and
1:56:45
keeping like keeping your shit together
1:56:47
around your house when you're on your own. I very
1:56:49
much got in the you know football
1:56:51
player mindset where you blow and you go and
1:56:53
you figure out your fucking laundry when you don't
1:56:55
have a single shirt left on the hanger and
1:56:57
like there's very very bad habits you can build
1:57:00
as a time but for the most
1:57:02
part you're right. Get your social skills down.
1:57:05
We live in a day and age where you can pick up
1:57:07
anything if you put enough time into
1:57:09
it through a million different avenues. It's not just
1:57:12
textbooks or going to the library all that stuff
1:57:14
is still great and it's still there. But
1:57:16
there's so many knowledgeable people in the
1:57:18
world that normally in the past wouldn't
1:57:21
have had a voice other
1:57:23
than a textbook or other than a book and
1:57:25
like for this day and age like I can't
1:57:27
remember I told you the last time I've been
1:57:29
to fucking Barnes and Noble and picked something up
1:57:31
off the shelf or something. I don't think they're
1:57:33
around anymore. I wrote a book
1:57:35
and I had a hard time finding one. But
1:57:38
you can hop on the internet you can hop on a
1:57:40
podcast and learn just about
1:57:42
probably anything that you want to if you're a double
1:57:44
divulged enough time into it. And if you're going to
1:57:46
college and this is
1:57:49
what's beautiful about your story and which
1:57:51
is very powerful and I want to really
1:57:53
highlight some people here. If you're going
1:57:55
to college and you have this plan allow
1:57:58
yourself the forgiveness and the strength. To
1:58:00
change your plan even if that's flexibility
1:58:04
It's trust me not everyone thought I should
1:58:06
be a stand-up comedian Yeah, not that mean I don't know sure
1:58:08
a lot of people told you no I'm sure a lot of
1:58:10
people told you probably wasn't gonna fucking happen more people told me
1:58:12
no than yes but like
1:58:15
and and I was supposed to I Was
1:58:18
supposed to go to law school and become a lawyer my
1:58:20
dad was a lawyer and I cannot I'm not a reader
1:58:23
So I remember my dad all the books in his office and I
1:58:25
was like What do you is that you're for like
1:58:27
show and he was like no if I have a case You
1:58:30
do go to one of the books hoping I need to read that
1:58:32
I was like I'm gonna look
1:58:34
at the print was fine print. I was like with
1:58:36
the pictures in these books. There's like no Like
1:58:39
that's not the window. Yeah, I mean my one of
1:58:41
my best plays came in his dad's one of the
1:58:43
best lawyers one of the best lawyers in the world
1:58:45
and his and he went to law school and was
1:58:48
like He had a hard time
1:58:50
giving it up because it was his what he was
1:58:52
supposed to do and he
1:58:54
just was like It's not me That's
1:58:56
the hardest fucking thing to say and I
1:58:59
think which is like my favorite part of your story
1:59:01
Because you did that on the highest level is like,
1:59:03
you know This isn't me and I know that you
1:59:06
think it's me and I know that my parents think
1:59:08
it's me I know that the Browns think it's me.
1:59:10
I know that but when I put on the helmet,
1:59:12
I'm it's not me and it's
1:59:14
like it's it's
1:59:18
I'm I wish my wife was here because
1:59:20
she articulates things so much better than me
1:59:22
But that's the fucking strength in your story
1:59:24
is and that's the thing I root for is
1:59:26
when I go I can't wait to see the path. He's on
1:59:29
I want I just think I can't
1:59:31
wait to see where he ends up I can't wait to see what
1:59:33
he does at 51 and As
1:59:36
you know, I know there's there's chapters in life
1:59:39
and the first
1:59:41
chapter of my life by the time
1:59:43
I was 25 years old
1:59:45
I could honestly say every dream and goal
1:59:47
that I had had when I was sitting
1:59:49
in a classroom When you're in
1:59:51
first grade and they hand you that paper that says,
1:59:53
you know What do you want to be
1:59:55
when you grow up and they asked you that as
1:59:57
you're in elementary school? now by the time
1:59:59
I was was 25 years old, I got
2:00:02
to live every single one of those
2:00:04
dreams that I could have ever wanted,
2:00:06
that I could have ever dreamt
2:00:09
of in the most literal physical
2:00:11
right in front of me kind
2:00:13
of way. And be
2:00:15
dating a 10? Check. When
2:00:18
I saw that, when I thought about that in
2:00:20
that way for the first time when I was
2:00:23
25 or 26, it was
2:00:25
the biggest thing that got me out of like, what the
2:00:27
fuck do I have to be sad about? Like, what the
2:00:29
fuck do I have to be depressed about? Like, you have
2:00:32
to look at it like this. And sure, you may tell
2:00:34
people that and they'll look at you and be like, oh,
2:00:36
bullshit. You still wish you were playing in the NFL or
2:00:38
you still wish you were this or that. And it's like,
2:00:40
fuck you. I got to live
2:00:42
my dream. Did I get to live it for very
2:00:45
long on the NFL level? No, I
2:00:47
absolutely didn't. But the NFL stands for
2:00:49
not for fucking long and
2:00:51
doesn't last for everybody. And you've seen the
2:00:54
greats before me that won Heisman that should
2:00:56
have panned out to be something who
2:00:58
people wrote and put their hope and
2:01:01
their praise into. And for whatever reason,
2:01:03
because of passion, because of purpose, because
2:01:05
of the way your life is supposed to
2:01:08
go for a reason bigger than you know,
2:01:10
it didn't go that way. And
2:01:12
that's okay. I'm the only person that has to
2:01:14
look myself in the mirror, deal with the failure.
2:01:17
I'm the only person that can look in the
2:01:19
mirror and say, I lived my fucking dream. I
2:01:21
didn't live anybody else's fucking dream. I
2:01:23
did it my way, under my rules.
2:01:27
Some things I did shitty, some things I did
2:01:29
fucking great. And one thing that I know
2:01:31
about myself is I treated people the right way for the
2:01:33
most part. It was very rare if I didn't.
2:01:36
I kept amazing connections and relationships. I'm
2:01:38
a people person. And my
2:01:40
family and my relationship with them is now stronger than
2:01:42
it's probably ever been through the ride that we've been
2:01:44
on. That's cool. So your family seems tight. So I'm
2:01:47
blessed, man. I'm blessed to have the family I have.
2:01:49
Oh my God. I've had you here for two hours.
2:01:51
We're rocking and rolling. We'll wrap this up. I want
2:01:53
to get you to your tee time. I have a
2:01:55
hike I'm supposed to do. What
2:01:58
a blast of two hours. I'm
2:02:00
telling you, man, you're a very easy person
2:02:02
to talk to. I
2:02:06
want to just go through some names and just – because I
2:02:09
know Drake's part of your life and I
2:02:11
know I've fucked with Drake on a podcast
2:02:13
with two bears because I never listened to
2:02:16
Drake. At one point we sang Drake
2:02:18
songs but I'd never heard them so I just sang what
2:02:20
I thought the way he'd sing them. I
2:02:23
want to go through a couple names and
2:02:25
just hear like a real one word. Tell
2:02:29
me about LeBron
2:02:31
James, just one single impression of going
2:02:33
– because if you do it for
2:02:36
Rogan I'd go most curious person you'll ever meet.
2:02:38
But if you do it about Tom, one
2:02:41
of the most brilliant businessmen I've ever met in my
2:02:43
entire life, fucking hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Shane Gillis, without
2:02:46
a doubt, the best fucking hang. The
2:02:48
best hang. Hands down. He's the boy.
2:02:51
He'll text you the funniest fucking
2:02:54
one word. He's the hang. Shit,
2:02:56
you couldn't hit it more than the head with
2:02:58
Shane. I've only been around him two times but
2:03:00
the second I found out that that motherfucker was
2:03:02
a Golden Domer, that he was a Notre
2:03:04
Dame fan, texted A&M plays Notre Dame
2:03:06
in the first game of the season this next
2:03:08
year at home and I'm like, I'm
2:03:10
coming down to Austin, I'm getting your fucking bitch
2:03:13
ass and your fucking Notre Dame gear you're going
2:03:15
to have on and I'm taking you to College
2:03:17
Station and I want to fucking get you so
2:03:19
drunk and I'm going to hate you the whole
2:03:21
day. And now every month I'm texting him, keep
2:03:24
calm and Notre Dame sucks and I'm fucking
2:03:26
ripping him every single day. Hope we go,
2:03:29
we can go down that list for sure.
2:03:32
Like if you said LeBron James,
2:03:34
I would say he's the most like dialed
2:03:36
person that I've like ever
2:03:38
been around in a sense of like self-aware,
2:03:40
knowing what's going on around his team.
2:03:43
Everything is so methodical and dialed in. He
2:03:45
really every day wakes up and thinks about
2:03:47
that fucking legacy of being one of the
2:03:50
greatest basketball players of all time. Like
2:03:52
genuinely thinks it very, very rarely does
2:03:55
he ever that I've seen, you know,
2:03:58
allow himself to have too much. fun in
2:04:00
a sense that's not viewed at
2:04:02
like trying to be the greatest basketball
2:04:04
player ever. Really? What about Drake? Drake
2:04:06
is the most genuine person
2:04:09
that for a celebrity being on the
2:04:11
level that he's on, the most genuine,
2:04:13
the same guy that I talked to
2:04:15
last week is the same guy that
2:04:18
I rode in a car with
2:04:20
smoking a joint with when I was 18
2:04:22
years old. The first time I ever went to Canada and met
2:04:24
him, the most genuine,
2:04:26
consistent person
2:04:29
I've ever been around. What about Bieber? Bieber.
2:04:31
My experience with Bieber was Bieber
2:04:34
was really, really similar to me.
2:04:36
And that's a hard thing to
2:04:39
say to people because they're like, fuck you,
2:04:42
dude. You're not like fucking Justin Bieber. I'm
2:04:44
like, I know I'm not like... That's so
2:04:46
funny. I saw it the other way around.
2:04:48
But when I met him for the first
2:04:51
time, he's like, we're
2:04:53
talking about similar struggles. One guy is going
2:04:55
on world tours and I'm sitting here going
2:04:57
back to my dorm room and college station.
2:04:59
So really, really similar. When I met Bieber,
2:05:02
Bieber was wild. Really? It
2:05:04
was a wild fun... He had a period where
2:05:06
the media was trying to tear him down. Yeah.
2:05:08
And that was the time when I was meeting
2:05:10
him. And he was just like, he was looking
2:05:12
for an escape. He was looking for an
2:05:14
escape for how you come up from 12
2:05:16
years old to then he's
2:05:19
fucking probably 20 at that time.
2:05:22
I'm 21, 22. And he's
2:05:24
just looking for an escape on life. He was just
2:05:26
for once when I was around him, you could see
2:05:28
that he just wanted to close the curtains and hide
2:05:31
and get away and just get away from all the
2:05:33
bullshit. All right. Your dad. Ooh,
2:05:35
hard ass. Hard ass. Detailed
2:05:39
down to his morals. Same
2:05:41
morals, same values. He's
2:05:44
detailed hard ass. Yeah. I hit you dad
2:05:46
in that documentary, reminded me a lot of
2:05:48
dads that I knew. Like a
2:05:50
lot of dads. Thankful for it. I wasn't at one point
2:05:52
in time. I was growing up. I wasn't
2:05:54
fucking very thankful for him. Yeah.
2:05:57
Now it's one of the biggest blessings.
2:05:59
The lessons. that I learned
2:06:01
from him from the time I was
2:06:03
like old enough to go up six years old, right? He's
2:06:06
introducing you to his friends. My
2:06:08
dad was the kind of guy where if I do
2:06:10
the, if I do the, he's like, Oh, he
2:06:13
can shake. He's going to pop me on the back of the
2:06:15
head and be like, you look a
2:06:17
man in his eyes, you shake his hand. And
2:06:19
now every little lesson like
2:06:21
that, that I've been taught along the way
2:06:24
pays off for me, pays off with that.
2:06:26
When I meet people with business, with everything.
2:06:29
It's like those subtle things that are ingrained in you
2:06:31
from like, you don't want to get like smacked
2:06:33
in the back. I'm from Texas, man. We got the shit spanked
2:06:35
out of us. We learned the hard way.
2:06:39
My dad being the hard ass that he was made me the man that
2:06:41
I am today. So I'm appreciative of it. I
2:06:45
think dads are underappreciated,
2:06:47
especially old school dads. My
2:06:50
dad, he's saying to me,
2:06:52
don't fucking cry. Don't fucking cry.
2:06:55
You use your fucking words. I was
2:06:57
like, but my words, I want to cry. So
2:07:00
say it then. Say it with your chest. Handshakes
2:07:04
were a big deal. Big deal. My
2:07:07
head's probably so sore from doing that. Six
2:07:10
years from six to eight were tough years for
2:07:12
me. Like I'd go up to somebody and just
2:07:15
look at my dad, like being condescending and I turn around,
2:07:17
he'd smack me in the head again. He's like, I
2:07:20
know you did that the right way, but you're looking
2:07:22
at me like that's going to earn you another smack.
2:07:24
There was a kid we played, someone's son was playing
2:07:26
golf with us when we were kids. And he went,
2:07:28
we don't know, shook hands and I shook hands. I
2:07:31
remember the whole thing was like, really show them how
2:07:33
strong you are. Give them a firm handshake. And
2:07:35
the kid didn't know where my dad's butt
2:07:37
kid left. My dad goes, fucking sissy. That
2:07:40
word sissy is the funniest fucking word. It
2:07:42
stings a little bit more. It stings a
2:07:44
little bit more. What a sissy. Dude,
2:07:50
this has been a great fucking interview. I appreciate your message.
2:07:54
I'm a fan. Thanks. That was
2:07:56
like, I'm rooting for you and
2:07:58
I'm. team
2:08:00
Johnny all the way. Nothing but the best in the
2:08:02
future hopefully we get loose one night. I'm
2:08:05
gonna try and maybe make it down next Thursday or
2:08:07
I think that's the 24th that's coming up this week.
2:08:09
Wednesday morning. Come down Wednesday morning. I'm gonna come down
2:08:11
Tuesday night. Come down Tuesday night, we'll be at the
2:08:13
show, we'll be doing spots and then I
2:08:16
got you gotta do what you're doing to Mothership. Are you doing
2:08:19
the Mothership the whole week? Oh, this
2:08:21
is a no brainer, I'm coming. Monday, Tuesday,
2:08:23
Wednesday and then probably Thursday. So you're doing
2:08:25
Rogan and Friends is Wednesday right? Rogan, I
2:08:27
think it's Wednesday night and then we're doing
2:08:29
Rogan Thursday morning. You're not doing Kill Tony are
2:08:31
you? I might, I
2:08:33
might. I'll hit up Tony. And
2:08:36
then I go to Gasparilla. I'm coming on Monday then
2:08:38
for Kill Tony. That sounds great. Yeah, I can't wait
2:08:40
to fucking cut loose. Sick. Yeah
2:08:42
and hopefully I gotta get you to do
2:08:44
a podcast with Tommy. Absolutely anytime. Tommy's down
2:08:46
there, anytime I'm
2:08:48
down there I'm gonna set you guys up because Tommy's
2:08:51
a, he's a, we
2:08:53
do very different interviews when we hang out with
2:08:55
people but Tommy also knows a lot more about
2:08:57
football so his insights are always a little more
2:08:59
astute than mine. Is he an Austin? He's an
2:09:01
Austin, he's a trader. He left fucking
2:09:03
LA for tax. Get the fuck out of
2:09:05
there, run for the hills and not the
2:09:07
Hollywood ones. And we gotta play golf. We
2:09:09
got to, anytime. Yeah, alright, last thing, last
2:09:11
thing, last thing. Who's your favorite golfer? Probably
2:09:15
closest with Justin Thomas. Oh what a
2:09:17
fucking stud. What a fucking stud. He
2:09:19
went to Alabama when I was at
2:09:21
A&M so when we beat the Tide
2:09:23
that year he was just
2:09:26
a college golfer at that time. I'm sure we were talking
2:09:28
a little bit back then and then now what he's turned
2:09:30
himself into he's been a really really good
2:09:32
friend to me, sending me every care package that he
2:09:34
kind of gets from all his brand deals and stuff.
2:09:37
I go to probably five, six PGA Tour events a year and I'm
2:09:39
always looking for my man JT. We gotta go to a PGA Tour
2:09:41
event. I'm a big Kepka fan. He's awesome. Me and Brooks
2:09:47
have a great relationship. Between him
2:09:49
and JT are easily, are easily
2:09:51
two of my guys. Max Homa is
2:09:53
another guy who's a great fucking guy.
2:09:55
Max is, since I
2:09:58
moved to Arizona, Max has been a great fucking guy. Yeah,
2:10:00
Max is a fucking stud. He's a fucking stud.
2:10:02
He's gonna be a top five golfer in the
2:10:04
world for the next five,
2:10:06
six, seven years. I wish Tony Feenau would
2:10:08
party. He seems like a fun guy.
2:10:10
He is the nicest human being in the world. The
2:10:12
nicest human being in the world. With the most unique
2:10:14
swing I've ever seen. He's good. He's so talented. I
2:10:16
got to play with him last year and holy shit.
2:10:19
It's even better in person when you play with him.
2:10:21
Do you get nervous at all when you play those
2:10:23
tournaments? Yeah, because I'll get nervous if I play in
2:10:25
a tournament. I went back and played the Texas State
2:10:27
Open last year in
2:10:29
Texas and holy fuck. I haven't had nerves
2:10:31
like that since walking on a football field.
2:10:34
I think it's because I don't practice enough and I know
2:10:36
that if I'm going out and playing
2:10:38
for a thousand bucks, you're gonna get a good game
2:10:40
out of me. Yeah. But if I'm going to play
2:10:42
in a tournament and my reputation and stake and those
2:10:44
numbers are posted on a board where people are gonna
2:10:46
look, something that gets in my head
2:10:49
about it. But if we're gonna go play for a thousand,
2:10:51
five thousand, ten thousand, I'm gonna fucking go play some fucking
2:10:53
golf. I want to play with
2:10:55
Jordan. I do too. We got to go to the Grove 23.
2:10:57
I can get us on out there. Give me Tiger? Nope.
2:11:01
Nope. I think he's probably different. I think there's
2:11:04
a part of Tiger. When I was in college,
2:11:06
they asked me, they did this
2:11:08
thing at halftime of the game where
2:11:10
they like did this video of us and it was
2:11:12
like, who are the three people that you want to
2:11:14
party with? And at that time in my life when
2:11:16
I was in college, my three people, Mount Rushmore partying,
2:11:19
was Rob
2:11:21
Gronkowski? Yes. Tiger
2:11:24
Woods after the Escalade incident and
2:11:26
Charlie Sheen. I
2:11:32
love it. Charlie Sheen. They literally put
2:11:34
this up on the fucking jumbotron. I remember us
2:11:36
running out after halftime and looking up and I'm
2:11:38
so like, oh fuck, they're actually gonna air
2:11:40
this. Oh, that's great. Tiger Woods, Gronk
2:11:42
and Charlie Sheen. At the time, I thought it was
2:11:44
fucking awesome. I still kind of do to be honest.
2:11:47
Oh, it's a great fucking answer. Winning. I just thought
2:11:49
of him the other day. Winning. Winning. I
2:11:52
can crank a rock of Coke and fucking
2:11:54
Charlie Sheen. I
2:11:57
said the other day, we were talking about
2:11:59
Golden Globe. We had our buddy hosted it and
2:12:01
they were shitting on him and I was like I was
2:12:03
like, you know It's so funny out with the way I
2:12:05
would have approached it because all my things
2:12:07
would have been like it
2:12:09
like you look at like a guy like I was obsessed
2:12:11
with the idea that how selfless of
2:12:15
I'm sure there's moments Robert tiny jr. Wants
2:12:17
to party but how selfless of that one
2:12:19
man to give up his life He gave
2:12:21
it up to give us Iron Man like
2:12:24
how fucking cool of that dude to be
2:12:26
like I get it No more
2:12:28
brown tar heroin. I get it. I get it.
2:12:30
I'll do all the work for you But
2:12:32
it'd be great if he was like, but it's 75. It's my
2:12:34
time. I'm going back home. I'm putting the suit up Dude
2:12:39
you're the fucking back You
2:13:03
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