For our first Ep of 2024, Natalie and Phil speak to Screenwriter turned Novelist, TERRY HAYES. You may've read I Am Pilgrim: It sold over five million copies. But the realisation of a dream for the Mad Max writer to become a published author took it's toll. Over a decade followed before Terry was able to deliver his second novel.

In this hugely entertaining episode Terry talks about delivering a million words to his publisher; why his love of cricket inspired one of the characters in this book and the BEST story of a Hollywood party involving Jim Carrey riding a camel in Beverly Hills, EVER....!

Once you've heard this and if you want to discover more about the book's ending, then check out the additional SPOILERS Ep, BUT DON'T LISTEN TO THAT BEFORE YOU'VE READ THE BOOK! That one contains spoilers. This one does not: It's perfectly safe!

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