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well, hello

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episode

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of the podcast for the penultimate episode

1:23

of the series

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the said six twelve waterworks

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it's written and directed by vince gilligan

1:29

perhaps you've heard of

1:31

i'm chris mckay i am one

1:33

of the editors of the series and

1:35

i coed it is this episode

1:37

this very episode in fact with

1:39

joey lou and who

1:42

could not be here today but you know who

1:44

could be here today i another editor

1:46

you've heard of the cohost with

1:48

the co most ah the creator

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of this podcast that you're listening to

1:53

an editor and her own right for breaking

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bad of better call saul and and

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who knows what else is your right now it's kelly

1:59

yeah way

2:02

out a hello good

2:05

welcome as he as usual

2:07

is because it's been moments since our

2:09

core to the last five have some as

2:12

it's crazy it's

2:14

it's all coming to an end though it's

2:16

like i mean i don't even

2:18

unlike waiting for thirteen

2:20

head peter have hit it

2:22

waiting for thirteen

2:23

added three i can't wait i have

2:26

also not see a third time it so

2:28

we're both were both in the dark here for the but

2:30

i gotta tell you what's so interesting out

2:32

they that on podcast

2:34

in in the last week

2:35

there was the six ten

2:37

with

2:39

the a big heist episode of

2:41

i wrote in my nose and

2:42

the one show

2:45

where

2:46

it could go either way and

2:48

i can't and guess which

2:50

way if if the guy doesn't

2:52

wake up and he's discover

2:54

what an air b does wake

2:56

up you know it's like it is

2:58

one of those this is what the one of those

3:01

shows where movie math does not help

3:03

you at all and and that's what i was

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awesome i love about this so i'm just like

3:08

thirteen thirteen thirteenth

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that it like so exciting as they

3:12

you guys for including

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we got this is incredibly exciting

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some to do i

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guess experience

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they were absolutely

3:22

and when you when you say thank you guys i

3:24

believe that you're talking

3:26

directly to the coke creators of his show

3:29

peter gould of it's julianne hello

3:34

an area as as area

3:36

mentioned before of vince also wrote

3:38

and directed this episode the way

3:40

the american people who way for me as

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right fielder micro

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pillow house with a co most that was as well as

3:48

a great however however let's not get

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only good this mary louise fast as

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they they just inside for it to over i'm

3:55

finally getting out there finally specific

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down and we have we have three

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if is happy guess today to talk

4:02

about this this penultimate episode

4:04

of the show which is super bitter sweet that

4:06

as we start whining these down by down

4:09

try to see i'm gonna go in

4:11

the order that year in my zune let

4:14

me see see is you've heard

4:16

on the pike as actually everybody in

4:18

some ways is kind of a a returning

4:20

champions to the podcast

4:22

the you you have herder i

4:24

believe once before on

4:26

the podcast

4:27

is you coming us from europe

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in parts unknown

4:32

that's all we can say and see

4:34

you eat harris brag about are all

4:36

the time and talk about the sing her

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praises on as much as the time she's

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a costume designer of this show is

4:43

jennifer brian miles

4:47

, hour ago and ah it's

4:49

going great an excel back to see

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your faces and bam the

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to talk about

4:55

the old times for us a new time for

4:57

viewers to gonna be really excited

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why we we if really breezy

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stayed up so late because it's it's that

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crazy late there and so

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thank you for doing that

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nowhere

5:10

there are a and directly

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to your right

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she is the

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the keeper of the master of all things

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post production as see as executive

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producer of this show it is diane mercer

5:26

a triumphant return to the podcast

5:28

everyone

5:29

ferrari me thanks , coming back

5:32

and now it's the entire were it's it's

5:34

gonna be pretty much tissue on this one a we're

5:36

we're in our going going

5:39

as a side has no

5:42

that's that's no so much stuff to talk about

5:44

on this one and then and now and our final guess

5:46

you know that you hear a lot about her and

5:48

and when you hear the term super producer you

5:51

what does that even mean

5:52

but this next guest

5:55

it not always see

5:57

the producer of better call

5:59

saul she is also the producer

6:02

of this podcast you're listening to

6:04

and and and look at it is

6:06

a lot of work as well as we've talked about the

6:08

labor of love this is a

6:11

free podcast every possible

6:13

way that you could

6:15

they that term by ah

6:18

is ah is vargas wouldn't it will just wouldn't

6:20

happen if if if it weren't for

6:22

her her her incredible

6:24

effort

6:25

and she is producer jan care

6:27

off

6:30

thank you chris i'm a lotta jobs that

6:32

first and foremost i think of myself as a backup

6:34

sound record as for the better call saul fact

6:36

replied to

6:37

that's a direct since now that sincerely

6:40

wryness is this a derelict it as duties

6:42

ah he abandoned us

6:44

know what's what's what's we had

6:47

to do one without joey and we realized

6:49

like oh ever he realized

6:52

joey we miss you we

6:54

do like a yeah let's let's

6:56

just get into this episode waterworks

6:59

and and the

7:02

the long awaited return kim

7:04

wexler

7:05

the question like where the hell

7:07

is kim she's wearing the most

7:10

outrageous , i've ever seen on

7:13

the show every

7:15

time every time every time every

7:17

that opening scene i go with

7:19

watch worth

7:23

of death everly average he was dead

7:25

and at we watch that know you're right over

7:28

day and i realized i i dated

7:31

a girl in college

7:33

it is a long time ago and she

7:35

dressed exactly like that

7:37

but that will down time ago and

7:39

this is now i've

7:42

the long time ago there is

7:45

exos are classics

7:47

hour for can buy food or that's

7:49

a real all here we go get em skirts

7:54

it's all us what to do we start with

7:56

as we start without the jennifer came up

7:58

with all the stuff gadget

7:59

it was crazy

8:02

i'm the got a plus you

8:04

know it was my duty

8:07

a new character

8:08

completely

8:10

i mean credit that sick the kim

8:12

that i helped in my world materialize

8:16

and have that distinction distinctive

8:18

look to try to the

8:20

same physical body what

8:23

everything worked like drained out

8:25

of her

8:26

wow

8:28

the concept of keep an eye for the

8:30

advice

8:30

we had many conversations about

8:32

this how you

8:33

back in in the clothing and

8:36

literally that's what i had to think

8:38

that was kind of what was in my head back

8:40

for loading have to

8:42

the room itself

8:44

the guy

8:45

her character

8:47

the director for we know

8:49

as

8:50

amazing right intuitive attorney

8:53

every anything by fast stylish

8:57

by listener latin yeah

8:59

spots thousand apologies but stylish

9:01

we're outside for the and some all of that

9:03

stuff has decided to go and

9:06

i had to start literally

9:08

hundred drawing board like a completely

9:10

different dry boy a new environment

9:13

adam

9:14

you know

9:16

america's playground happy place

9:18

but

9:19

that was the last

9:20

during their

9:21

though is that i remember we were looking

9:24

at you know princess florida and there is

9:26

like flamingos and beach

9:28

bars and margarita with

9:30

a little possibly why don't we can't do that

9:33

right right remember remember how yet

9:35

on a different authors in authors tiny

9:38

the i scaled down the play

9:39

may i guy job

9:41

i try to make look i'm sun

9:44

bleached and then the episodes

9:46

trying to trying to challenge rather

9:48

black and white yeah

9:50

yeah thanks

9:53

we don't call

9:57

her did you

9:58

yeah without it

9:59

home and patterns for you that

10:02

you had to convey yeah they even put

10:04

her in bay is you had to get all of

10:06

the he get across of tone down color

10:08

palette get a job and mattered

10:10

do it can patterns and textures

10:13

i'm and then

10:15

you know and conversely because all

10:17

it's not just think about quote that the coveted farm

10:19

it it's place

10:21

the had to the to do the opposite of

10:23

what florida is about

10:26

saad in the sky the beach the happiness

10:29

and

10:30

the crack to drain at all the way down was

10:32

very am i a you get

10:34

surprises things that you think work in

10:36

color you think of equally where tobacco

10:39

and and they don't so was

10:41

it was a profit

10:42

would you do would you pictures of

10:44

stuff the july two and look at it had

10:47

to do a black and white picture and

10:49

and look at it sadly so

10:51

what we paid i got i got see

10:53

the light colors tone of scale

10:56

from marcel and then on

10:58

my i'm ipad will just how

11:00

i usually take my fitting quarters i try

11:02

to i'm calibrate that as close as i

11:04

could my ipad smart

11:07

though i knew i would come close to

11:09

how it would look you know once we

11:11

started shooting and that kind

11:14

of the pilots you know that sort

11:16

of light brown to the era i started

11:18

from

11:19

and then basically

11:21

i would die he that would lead

11:23

singer said i have time

11:25

for technique for me and i had a bag

11:27

of to

11:28

rachel

11:29

put them here i

11:31

love i love all of the close

11:34

starting with starting with raise

11:36

with with kim's close and florida but i

11:38

it's my favorite thing of all his shirt

11:41

better alvin

11:42

there was ever hurt

11:45

her album is actual replace the

11:47

gas and it does a what is known

11:49

for and i love the he does a wonderful job

11:51

and love that tiger servers

11:53

you fire tiger shows now

11:56

that i target [unk] tiger shirt secondhand

11:59

store and

11:59

kirk

12:00

now when that's where it was

12:03

secondhand store average reflect

12:07

so you only one the only

12:09

of the one i'm only why we are a lot of those

12:11

he says a lot of them were were only

12:13

one because a lot of surely were biggest it's

12:15

ever truly of love our

12:18

that vintage shots

12:20

i'm

12:21

yeah

12:22

one here of one time when

12:25

peter did this to spill something

12:27

on our search or something

12:30

there were a little

12:31

yeah episode it was inevitable

12:33

isn't it it that the thing this or that

12:36

she's wearing for the whole p there for the barbecue

12:38

which is out of are many days and there was a tiny

12:40

tiny seen on it and we're looking at

12:43

it with a wooden block away like a hobby

12:45

we could tuck it in a march and you have the best

12:47

on the ground teams and of her it'll actually

12:50

feel as though i'd who he was right in for drive and

12:52

she was panicked about it and

12:54

as a great about the that are also invested

12:56

seven even though they get tiny tiny

12:58

thing wrong everybody is so

13:00

nervous that it's going to ruin the show to they're

13:02

they're all artist so that you you a really

13:04

lovely

13:05

truly i mean everybody

13:07

has had you not hydrant best support

13:09

a means to be your throat the whole

13:11

season as about how you

13:13

know i'm most of my team have

13:15

been with me for most of the time

13:17

some go back of fights breaking bad so

13:20

we have this kind shorthand and

13:23

i'd like to think that to faced

13:25

really kept up certain

13:28

standard of work that they got

13:30

accustomed to working at that never and

13:32

one bit

13:33

paint hearing about what you do

13:35

i said so yeah when that little

13:37

a process where next was new

13:40

era when they paddled because it was

13:42

one

13:43

the able to wanna which sham

13:45

you really not supposed to do that but

13:48

the know it's so unique

13:50

ex wife's unique color is only

13:52

one or we go

13:54

with go

13:55

i hope nobody drinks coffee

13:59

or or gifts gives the grill on

14:02

it that could also page or oh yeah

14:04

yeah this was the what was

14:06

the inspiration for florida wise

14:08

kim in florida what what inspires

14:10

you to do that

14:11

there's a i have a question and maybe

14:13

i'm a little

14:14

you serve i am

14:15

i delete this part but

14:17

it came on the run i mean as she

14:19

and heidi

14:20

now know her name of the name

14:22

on the door which peter very

14:24

smartly

14:26

that you know make sure you get a shot of her

14:28

name on the door and make sure in the

14:30

script that you have people call in or

14:33

there's a shot of her and or offices

14:35

or her name is the she's in charge of people

14:38

he noticed more water as which is

14:40

you know by the way what is on the premises

14:43

by say there is nothing intrinsically

14:45

sad about what kim

14:47

is doing for a when a

14:49

good people jobs like this and and

14:51

the out there addicted to that that's

14:53

what the country runs on are

14:55

so so not making fun of people who

14:59

working under you know irrigation and

15:01

or irrigation companies are not megafauna

15:03

floridians just want to preface

15:05

at before people i was semi angry

15:08

letters but that it's it's

15:10

it's sad for kim that she's the she's

15:13

live in this life that no one that

15:15

when we now that she has this amazing

15:17

ability to help people and to

15:19

use her legal argument

15:21

to to to help but you know folks

15:23

who are deserving your which is what she's

15:26

done with her life as we saw know the

15:28

season assistance of for is a tragedy

15:31

but , but yeah she's worth say

15:33

and the brochures and catalogues

15:36

department i can it says right on adore

15:38

her name's kim wexler so now she's not

15:40

on the run

15:42

i don't think so hells

15:44

much about her past life to

15:46

work

15:48

her eyes to her new in

15:50

our coworkers and a new friends and

15:52

and one of the great things about to the

15:55

character of her new boyfriend by

15:57

air and alvin cowards

15:59

is that he just comes across

16:02

as a guy that is just not can i ask

16:04

questions and i'm sorry riff

16:06

get out what to talk about the blooming onion they

16:08

had a to alma has a house for like

16:10

thirty minutes frame but he's probably not going to have

16:12

not sit word where she went to college

16:15

or you know anything like that

16:16

the only reason the last year

16:18

because i'm a she cider hair

16:21

just dressing so differently

16:24

it's not really

16:25

our she's work in it's just said

16:27

you do puzzles

16:28

seeing you know i mean

16:30

so different that it's

16:32

is almost seems like she's in hiding and i'm just

16:34

curious

16:35

how bout those choices

16:37

and again if i'm like

16:39

keeping up to just because i didn't recognize

16:42

the signs let me know i have but

16:44

i'm just i have been i'm excited

16:46

to her but i'm just like and why

16:48

a lot of say that is the big the

16:51

big question p round about know

16:53

it's an excellent grocer peter you want to talk about

16:56

we posted in the writers one

16:58

that was what is you know we have a

17:00

theory

17:01

a for what you do when the other

17:03

than hiring she's not hiding but she's

17:06

would

17:07

where would you describe

17:09

i don't think she trusts herself i mean in

17:11

in the or you could say she's hiding she's hiding

17:13

from her her her true

17:16

abilities interests and i i don't be

17:18

sheath that's one of the it's it's so beautifully

17:20

written it's so funny it's funny but it's

17:22

also sad you know is that you

17:24

think we should if you know this is is

17:26

this almost mayonnaise you think we should try it

17:29

then she says what you think she can't know

17:31

what had an ice cream to get what do you think

17:34

she's she's not trusting herself

17:36

and she somebody who was

17:38

so contained in had such a clear

17:40

vision of what should be done

17:42

next run in her in her life

17:45

she was she was always able to do that now

17:48

i think she's of

17:50

this is this makes sense is is she's just try

17:53

not to do any harm in

17:55

a way she so focused that

17:57

are doing any that she's not doing any good

17:59

either majid

18:01

she's haunted by what happened

18:04

that howard she's haunted by her

18:06

own responsibility for that

18:08

and i need of the police aren't

18:10

after them certain alone and

18:13

the dragoon either anyway not her

18:15

anyway got are no actually not her

18:18

while because salt salt goodman practice

18:21

law quite openly

18:23

for years after after the hamlin

18:25

hamlin incident

18:26

in allegheny ones after her for that

18:30

the shields not not able to tell anyone about

18:32

a to he saw that you so that might

18:34

make me a very clear at the end of episode

18:36

eight that there were they weren't gonna say anything

18:38

about this to anybody

18:40

i'll be she doesn't yeah that's a that's

18:42

not that's if that death is that that is

18:44

that the theory pretty much as we'd

18:46

password for as an esl an answer i couldn't

18:49

set a better i would add to it that

18:51

me personally i think is

18:54

everything peter said

18:56

also me personally we're

18:58

gonna grown a catholic i guess the

19:00

which are brought a budget out a catholic upbringing

19:03

one of the short amount of guilt

19:05

now let's hear that to give ingrained any

19:08

and i think i'm not saying that the kims characters

19:10

catholic but i think she's

19:13

penance i think is what she's doing

19:15

whether she realizes that are not i

19:18

, part this not been to form

19:20

an opinion on anything speak

19:23

to that i think yeah

19:26

it

19:27

you know she's just i don't know that

19:30

behold do a crossword puzzles and watch

19:32

an amazing race i added she does everything

19:35

with this a boyfriend a hearse

19:36

the likes and and when he escorted

19:39

opinion the runway when a when i ask you know what

19:41

what what what , you think chocolatier

19:44

or strawberry she that

19:46

they're both good she just

19:48

yeah it's it's it's not

19:50

our toy peter put it's not is

19:52

being afraid to do any harm but it's also

19:55

denying herself

19:59

some of the things she so good

20:02

the not have an opinion if we're going to be a lawyer you

20:04

gotta a either have a of view if

20:06

you're gonna be a lawyer and if you're to

20:08

be a living human being and she's

20:10

denied herself all of that as that great deal

20:12

of the m nile

20:14

effect going on here what how

20:16

did we shoot in florida that was really

20:18

criminal attorney that you guys so did we

20:20

go all the way to florida to shoot at stuff

20:23

i wanted to but the producers oh my

20:25

god yeah

20:27

, that's all albuquerque new mexico

20:29

that is that's right thing thing

20:32

a nutshell the the exterior

20:34

of the of the job pump

20:37

go spring for company is idea

20:39

as and business part in part

20:43

and the interior

20:45

is the interior albuquerque our

20:48

albuquerque old newspaper offices

20:51

and the house better kim

20:53

lives in is a house

20:55

right kim lives albuquerque and i'm gonna throw

20:57

it to die and mercer to explain why

21:00

it looks like it was florida cassette this is

21:02

a good this is a good story it's amazing

21:04

that you find out you find it at a house

21:06

that backs a and albuquerque

21:08

they're bad

21:10

everywhere we went

21:12

to montreal

21:13

ah

21:15

yeah

21:18

or i'm are great the effects

21:20

team at rodeo effects led

21:22

by our can again as in montreal

21:25

canada and

21:27

though

21:28

we have that we did a ton of research

21:31

and you know vince has a

21:33

lot of you know vince spent time in

21:35

florida in in this particular area

21:37

where we are which is centrally

21:40

the space coast

21:41

iran and their space ghost those

21:44

kind of central florida

21:47

i mean other than was my

21:48

that on coast citadels and middle east

21:50

coast florida flair as yeah

21:52

so are we talk

21:54

about going and mean you know everything

21:56

with on the table but

21:59

when we really the work that

22:01

how we're gonna need to be outdoors

22:04

it's it didn't make a whole lot of son

22:07

her go to ,

22:09

there and we the first thing we did actually

22:11

was we tried to find actually

22:14

driving place in

22:16

florida it once we found the

22:18

played that we used for that used for

22:20

scene when she's driving to work with me to

22:22

start with that else

22:23

the of the car

22:24

yeah that have beyond like a license plate

22:27

no know that the as the saw the

22:29

car over the over you know we see her

22:31

eyes in the mirror and she's driving through

22:34

central florida and we found is terrific

22:37

plate and once we found

22:39

that and i was going to be the hard thing to get

22:41

because you know everything

22:44

else we can we can make

22:47

we found driving plate and

22:49

been like that peter like that and

22:52

and then from there we kind of decided you know is

22:54

the effects of the way to go so

22:57

then the next challenge was for christian location

23:00

manager to find the house

23:02

that could stand in for florida

23:04

in an office that could stand in for

23:06

florida and he found these to great

23:08

aunt that the house

23:10

and basically the house

23:13

i mean we the interiors in the house

23:15

the and the and back of the

23:18

but then of course denise the

23:20

needed her magic and she put those storm

23:22

shutters on it and we put the palms outside

23:25

and we did all those things to dress

23:27

it and then on the back yard was

23:29

the

23:30

maybe see the

23:32

original daily

23:33

how do not at all

23:36

like that is it's there

23:38

was a cement brick wall

23:40

and in the back like is very very common

23:43

out in the west you know here in california we have

23:45

those everywhere in albuquerque they're everywhere

23:48

and we put green fabric up there

23:50

and

23:52

the out shot a green screen and then

23:54

rodeo we sent them a bunch of research

23:56

on you know that vince had

23:59

looked at jan

24:00

them into the brain trust kind of found a bunch

24:03

of things and and and

24:05

then rodeo belt

24:07

what a little three day canal

24:09

and they put the votes in there and they put the people

24:11

in there and they put the houses across

24:13

the way in the palm trees

24:15

and all the clouds clouds

24:18

for the clouds are very different in florida

24:21

so now it's it's your

24:23

kind of

24:24

digital movie magic

24:26

but it all works i got a question for you events

24:29

which he directed this and you know it's just

24:33

i'm going back to my earlier

24:35

it as an assistant i remember an editor

24:38

was actually talking to me about the sun

24:41

them and a wide in different places

24:43

and you you mentioned that

24:45

the light in florida is and crime

24:46

the different in a lie times now

24:48

i'd like to watch things that are shot

24:50

in florida become is very interesting

24:52

to see

24:54

how much brighter and you know and

24:56

also taught me about

24:57

los angeles or shooting

24:59

shooting winter is very different kind of light

25:01

been shooting in the summer in los angeles because

25:04

son

25:05

the the in the sky

25:07

in the winter so

25:08

but you had the situation where you're shooting

25:11

florida you're shooting albuquerque

25:14

you're sitting florida for albuquerque but now

25:16

you're shooting in black and white

25:17

know how are you can't in winter

25:20

yeah by the way hello readers

25:24

have this morning the keyboard

25:26

your it's warm and they're drinking wine coolers

25:28

and it was real it never what i saw that yeah

25:32

before we've done that bizarre because

25:34

i remember my my slower than one

25:36

boy it was like bundled up when and walter

25:39

other in the dead

25:39

being a lawyer so

25:42

much that i'm just wondering how any

25:44

we talked to jennifer about the black and white how

25:46

did that affect you at the black and white you're shooting

25:48

and

25:49

different locations well

25:51

or up about being facetious what facetious say

25:54

it say it really affect

25:56

me personally so much it are

25:58

are amazing

25:59

director of photography paul down

26:02

a key at the you know with we we

26:04

looked at photos of florida as a real place

26:06

and then i , basically said

26:08

you don't make make it look like florida and i went

26:11

away and had a hotdog so i mean as

26:15

if another man another sandwich

26:17

did you notice like in the day

26:19

did he put one of those big gigantic balloons

26:22

up or something and i mean little there

26:24

was didn't notice like a different kind of

26:27

lighting situation for

26:29

the way you

26:30

the been interesting point i wish i had

26:33

wish i had another lifetime or

26:35

alyssa another fifteen years it

26:37

are we the doing this to go back

26:39

and just be a fly on the wall of sat and

26:41

watched the about not

26:43

have to think about this the job at hand the show

26:46

it here just watch for instance the

26:49

lights steve what tech he is putting up

26:51

and and that you know as as

26:53

when he's their work and steve

26:55

by the way that they the the iron man

26:57

you know that that our our chief

27:00

lighting technician who dates back you know

27:02

how many director of photography

27:04

the and are all the way back to the beginnings of breaking

27:06

bad and

27:08

i i should watch us it was

27:10

more closely all the stuff they were doing because

27:12

i want to learn an awful lot from but

27:14

just have ever bandwidth but i think

27:16

we've been carrying a peter peter started

27:19

bad as peter knows the stuff better neither peter

27:21

wouldn't you say yeah

27:23

in general were carrying we

27:25

as a we have them prepare a present

27:27

tense this is all in the past and now sadly

27:29

but we were carrying a fewer

27:32

and employing a lot fewer lights the

27:34

last several seasons

27:36

are so because the yeah the digital cameras

27:39

captured light so more efficiently

27:41

than they also can you need more light with your film

27:43

cameras i'm have a much bigger lighting instruments

27:46

back in the day even back to the beginning of breaking

27:48

bad wouldn't she's sproul evidence l d

27:50

to which doesn't put out here

27:53

it's amazing technology would would you

27:55

think about that later

27:56

i think the yeah every everything you just says

27:58

exactly right the other thing

27:59

the that both of our directors

28:02

of photography the crusoe aware of

28:04

where the sun is going be

28:06

in i think that that some one a thing

28:08

that makes it feel so hot in that

28:10

scene for me is especially

28:13

that low angle up on all the year that

28:15

you guys shot within the the guys gathered

28:18

the grill and there's the sun kind

28:20

of battering right down right

28:22

in the frame and there's a big palm tree

28:24

palm frond their that that that

28:26

it you know you're right kelly that light

28:29

of different everywhere but i was a say

28:32

i'm also i'm an old movie lover

28:34

and in of the used to casablanca

28:36

was made made in burbank and

28:39

so i think this you know there's a lot to be said

28:41

for for for taking

28:44

your world and making it making it and

28:46

as we were able to do that for this this the

28:49

sequence right i think it's

28:51

really effective by the

28:53

way the a thing of courses

28:54

the actors

28:56

could the cast

28:57

just like in casablanca the thing it they

28:59

they didn't have the advantage of shooting casablanca

29:02

but that great european actors

29:04

that vince has such a great sense

29:07

for the world that these that

29:10

deck him his entered here and

29:12

i it just it makes me laugh every time

29:14

see it lavin it sablich is also

29:16

it's a one of his barbecue's where the the women

29:18

and men can sell segregated

29:21

it just tells you it tells you everything

29:23

it doesn't i don't think it's about florida

29:26

necessarily i don't necessarily a bad thing

29:28

but it's so different from the

29:30

world where she and jimmy we're

29:32

sorta joined at the hip and

29:34

so had such intimacy with each other

29:36

i don't think when you see if

29:38

you saw jimmy and came at a party i think most

29:40

the time you probably see them together not

29:43

on opposite sides of the room and the

29:45

other the stairs little those those the details

29:47

that make it feel like a different world as much

29:50

as as the light bulb it's absolutely

29:52

the lights a huge part of it without a question

29:54

and answer dancing early requests

29:57

and never answered the kelly and

29:59

and the

29:59

chris yeah i grew up for

30:02

the

30:03

we're not in florida i grew up in virginia

30:05

but we would travel to whenever we could

30:09

visit the web ,

30:11

family down there my yeah my mom's

30:14

mother and father might my grandparents lived

30:16

in jacksonville jacksonville

30:18

for quite a while after they moved from richmond

30:21

and then i have my uncle bobby was

30:23

down in the cocoa beach was as

30:25

as how i know that area merritt island and whatnot

30:28

at us we call them are called bobby but it was it

30:31

add two brothers them client or

30:33

there were two brothers the mcclain and brothers are identical

30:36

twins and were

30:39

naval aviators and war two

30:41

the they

30:43

, were the uncle they both were called

30:45

uncle bobby by the family and

30:50

one of the uncle bob is passed away night

30:52

and fifty nine and a helicopter crash wine

30:54

for the but the other one the one i knew

30:57

ah wound up working for at

30:59

nasa want of working on the yeah on

31:01

the apollo program and lived in

31:03

and within sight of for the losses what happened

31:06

our so that as was it was fun

31:08

grub at not grown up down

31:10

there but spending down there every there

31:12

every of summers so i got to know

31:14

that area a little bit not as well as a

31:16

would have liked but that's why i think i

31:18

yeah

31:19

the

31:20

set up there are also

31:22

i think peter the idea was just as she should

31:25

go some place within the

31:27

the lower forty eight but that was as

31:29

different from albuquerque

31:31

as possible as possible that was the starting point

31:33

right estimates less it's absolutely right

31:36

elizabeth or mean we're eminem

31:38

incredibly remiss if we don't

31:41

talk about fucking so many things

31:44

five

31:45

on

31:48

at one point of and

31:50

like we see that jimmy's we see

31:52

her side of the phone call that we

31:54

had in the previous episodes and

31:57

she's basically like a me it's funny

31:59

because

31:59

the previous episode he's having a fit on the phone

32:02

and you're like what is she saying reading this

32:04

one very very silent on

32:07

but she tells him that he

32:09

should turn himself

32:11

and i'm vinci he

32:13

says it's been six years

32:16

it's been six years and i'm like

32:18

and and i this question mark like six years

32:20

since one

32:21

the fear

32:22

last time we saw in his office

32:25

when they find the divorce papers

32:28

the here since i was just curious

32:30

because he is it seems

32:33

you guys have made a lot of decision

32:35

about things in this episode

32:37

i'm just like you know asking questions

32:40

like the okay wait what like

32:42

bet that's a gym you should you

32:44

should that you can talk use a proper

32:46

do a whole podcast just about the timeline

32:48

of of w is actually what

32:52

i'm is but is but you should take

32:54

that because i i i was deferred

32:56

to you and and to oriental who's a genius

32:59

at this rights and it and a and

33:01

a kathleen right though hoops the

33:03

beauty of talk about that a loveless yeah i

33:05

shan't before but whichever free

33:08

get into it if you want to hear a little bit more about

33:10

the the i the keeping of the and

33:13

the keeping of that the ah the chronology

33:16

of the show you go vacuous

33:18

in one of our bonus episodes i think it was

33:20

the fifth bonus episode with the brain trust

33:22

and they did kathleen was on there

33:25

and and

33:26

you know that that lot of the the most

33:28

amazing in a writers assistance

33:30

and and now

33:32

people who work in burbank that

33:34

to keep everything

33:37

keep everyday movie anyway time in interrupts

33:39

by just wanted to give up give a plug for

33:41

the podcast you're already listening to

33:43

because i'm always said void chris a

33:45

high side even heard that when the i don't want to listen it's

33:47

images and are a great conversation

33:49

yeah that's exactly what i was gonna to

33:51

that we have a lot of people who are keepers

33:53

of this information and do lot of institutional

33:56

memory it all a front for melissa

33:58

burnt sienna you know all the way there's

34:00

a lot of people who keep track of the thing that way

34:03

about them from or props department always

34:05

knowing exactly what year it is by what license

34:07

stickers to put on what right down to

34:09

the months and like chris the saying the

34:12

person who is in charge that it's kathleen

34:14

wynne so she keeps it with our script writer who

34:16

is then for a long time keeping a story

34:19

calendar running the entire length the show so

34:21

we always so when days a week it is it

34:23

out without end ended in a different

34:25

than what we did i'm breaking bad the breaking bad your

34:27

the eternal presence which was lovely and

34:30

but unfortunately i'm michelle will such a film

34:32

the hd cameras you can see every

34:35

single day on day newspaper that add

34:37

extra his old egg or it out on it should with

34:39

a we actually had to set the date

34:41

of the show because of a in the pilots

34:44

were and jimmy's puts the

34:46

that check that the is getting paid

34:48

seven hundred dollars for the that

34:50

if is if three it knucklehead

34:53

and has knucklehead date on it and there is like auto so

34:55

we can not see the dates of years

34:58

of get a better flag you know in the sand

35:00

we kept it going for years right daves

35:03

you know five thousand

35:05

and sixteen and our story calendar

35:07

now thanks to think the oriental and

35:09

kathleen as in the many before that proven

35:12

keeping track but the in the six or

35:14

is a reference

35:16

the i am the worst of this else

35:18

is left up to me a just such

35:20

frame right but and cycle

35:22

twenty pen in killings world's

35:25

leading when he fan so six years after

35:28

there are a divorce rate has has

35:30

been omaha for successful as

35:32

there's no it knows it's it's

35:34

they broke up an episode

35:36

six oh nine that was

35:38

six oh nine was six years prior

35:41

right

35:41

two thousand and four said than six

35:43

years or something

35:44

in parker

35:48

the first time that

35:50

we

35:51

the done i say we as a fun

35:53

actually still there but i kind of feel like i'm sort

35:55

of is this first time that

35:57

we've

35:58

actually done

35:59

two parter to be continued

36:02

episode is the road to be continued

36:04

apple

36:04

that but you basically

36:06

at eleven year left

36:08

right etti as he bangs

36:10

the door and the a pick it back up you

36:12

know as eggs the window other think so a i'm

36:15

in a

36:16

yeah be nicer way please write up at the

36:18

end because of a very

36:20

gill it's very it's very gilligan ask

36:22

that the each episode picks up moments

36:25

after the previous one

36:27

that's that that's all i had that

36:29

was something

36:30

i just don't like with this one the with like

36:32

we're waiting for the next thing and it

36:34

was nope we're blessed

36:35

where does that say that's

36:37

what i'm hoping i'm hoping everyone has a reaction

36:40

make that await for what they want to that

36:42

sensor us have a series a good storytelling

36:45

philosophy yeah i really love that

36:47

the sort of the the melding of

36:49

the world's that have that

36:51

we've created now with better call saul

36:53

with the world's breaking bad i

36:56

think nothing it's absolute that better for me

36:58

more than hear me or saw

37:01

jimmy he's always jimmy to me urine is

37:03

silly know what i read the now it's yeah it's

37:05

gonna be weird looking watching breaking bad again

37:08

because of as jimmy was

37:10

, was he comes up to be by

37:13

when he's through when he is doing that

37:15

said but them from

37:18

all yeah yeah that

37:20

a you know that we that we hit so

37:22

hard and really like made

37:25

such big thing he was working at

37:27

that the yeah that he

37:29

read all bookstore yeah

37:31

yeah i just love i love i love

37:33

real as of together and and i just

37:35

that know i gotta have a or

37:37

at all merges right because we actually

37:39

have

37:41

one character from the

37:43

shell crossing with a character

37:45

from the other show

37:46

yeah that's right at first then i guess

37:49

time

37:50

right now is is like six

37:52

didn't we do it and six eleven

37:54

they'll but that was not infected

37:57

that

37:59

yeah

37:59

are by

38:01

yeah obviously we brought

38:03

the other breaking bad world back and episode

38:05

eleven and we did it here by

38:08

we're now seeing where think the breaking

38:10

barrel from the saw side

38:12

by the yeah through tens eyes

38:15

i will say when francesca says calls

38:18

him saw and the teaser it like freaks me

38:20

the hell out where went home

38:22

and saw my

38:24

you talking to other on

38:28

i wouldn't talk about still going rebel

38:30

okay i was just gonna ask and

38:32

maybe you talked about it and eleven

38:35

a by

38:36

my was gonna as

38:39

what

38:40

can you talk to us a little bit about

38:43

the sit at the decisions that you guy sat

38:45

down with to bring that to bring walt and

38:47

jesse back and especially

38:48

reddit episode because guess

38:50

he has a long scene with cam

38:52

outside in the rain

38:54

not sure they will then run out of town

38:57

on a rail we applied to say show

38:59

go by jesse on it

39:01

no you know if aaron

39:03

i'm brian hadn't been up for it we might

39:05

have ended up getting run out of over on a rail

39:07

tunnel around it was i'm yeah i

39:09

think we might have talked this little bit in the in the

39:11

previous podcast but we

39:14

there were there were a number by you know knew

39:16

that we had this

39:18

the interesting parallel time

39:20

periods to work with

39:22

we knew them you know that we had we had

39:24

the the air that

39:26

we've been in up to now and then we've been

39:28

we've also have the black and white era

39:31

we're in omaha and then we also know that

39:33

we have breaking bad and so we we

39:35

we tried a number of different we had a lotta different

39:38

ideas

39:39

in in the one of them

39:41

would we always called running between the raindrops

39:43

and i think that's the one

39:45

really came up in the previous episode

39:47

where you know was the breaking bad

39:50

of it was kind of woven together

39:52

this one is this one is such a surprise

39:54

to me

39:55

every time i see the scene because you have

39:57

this incredibly heart rending seem between

40:00

me and kim or saul

40:02

as he is now saw and he's so hurt

40:04

and he so nasty or her then

40:07

she walks out the

40:09

and oh my god there's jesse paper

40:12

it's just the it's it's it's

40:15

feels very different from a the

40:17

the of the flashbacks a horizontal

40:20

that we had the previous episode where they were kind freestanding

40:23

this one really it it's what the and says it's

40:25

a sequences starts at really about kim

40:28

jimmy then it ends up being about

40:31

him and

40:32

jesse pigman the kim's

40:35

already had her life ruined a

40:38

and jesse's jesse is going to have his

40:40

life ruined very soon yeah

40:43

have it that see you know represented

40:45

combo like i love that yeah see

40:48

that he should like that that that

40:50

that the world's dead sort of like cross

40:52

a little that without other way around

40:54

that we don't know about

40:56

i want to see that i

40:58

know they're not emilio either

41:00

knows i'm merely oh no no emilio is

41:02

going into see saw they'll they'll

41:04

get us to her oh hey i

41:07

i think i know you you you you rely

41:09

on buddy combo roman

41:11

yes and this is the youngest ever seen

41:13

just the thing been to and jennifer made him look

41:16

day no idea

41:19

of how can the vaults again

41:20

that may have is if it was

41:22

so i was so excited you know that

41:25

that he said he was coming back and

41:27

he just embrace whole

41:29

idea of you know going back levels

41:31

of split it's really says a

41:33

lot about him as a as a person

41:36

you know years later

41:38

if you career has moved on

41:40

and data that

41:41

but he has to master home

41:43

base

41:44

in there and it

41:46

was

41:47

yeah

41:48

fine as time

41:50

on breaking bad habit just

41:53

and my daughter been a bad injuries

41:56

and as it's history success if

41:59

you know is why in the

42:04

eyes , he's

42:06

a photographer the map for minnesota body

42:08

language stage of stage sudden with

42:10

artillery and with mean so much

42:12

for themselves better that

42:15

was better was the first thing we shop and

42:17

same was shot at well over a year ago

42:19

and long before months long

42:21

we shot any the other scenes

42:24

literally my for because because we

42:26

had and availability issue

42:28

we knew that i have with with aaron he

42:31

asked about often and do other

42:33

other shows and other projects and he

42:35

had such a migraine that night it

42:37

was that rain

42:39

artificial rain the looks great that

42:41

there were hamline and his crew created force

42:43

but it is no fun to shoot and because a slight

42:45

spin on a real rainstorm was them

42:47

down on your head for

42:49

nine hours straight but the

42:52

between the rain and is terrible

42:54

clove cigarettes that cigarettes can i

42:57

it

42:57

the now they have these two stone a still

43:00

haven't smoked together and and

43:02

now i feel guilty everytime a smoking

43:05

say but it just enough to start a

43:07

middle schooler i'm sorry hostess solar

43:11

a others raises water yet

43:13

another reason another fillmore still hold off on

43:16

a other than other great storyteller going storyteller great

43:18

out and but he was smokiness

43:20

clove cigarettes and he had he had

43:22

and raise yeah remember he remembers

43:24

jennifer he was such a trooper

43:26

wagoner now games

43:31

shut up again to working

43:33

on a on a bright enough doesn't

43:35

the upon looking you know you revenue

43:37

by pattern kind of

43:40

any sneak into albuquerque

43:43

our that a big yeah me

43:45

too man too subsidize alchemy that

43:47

where are you know militia did one era

43:49

the you know me

43:50

they communicate and on a deep

43:52

undercover and then they

43:54

were like sequestered in this house arrested

43:57

as a said they couldn't go to the suited

43:59

a fitting sewing kit to today

44:02

on how said they were sharing and

44:05

it was

44:06

i'm aaron with life i would

44:09

what we have this i would you say cross

44:11

the street corner one across the street

44:13

and and remastered as

44:14

if you ask you

44:19

know it was is it was pretty awesome

44:21

he says the two of them and and

44:24

to watch off camera

44:27

the that to see that hampshire

44:30

the you know that came out on

44:33

a job

44:35

that has gone onto something else

44:37

and it's just so deep it was

44:38

really wonderful to see

44:41

two guys are very picky

44:43

really good friends and a comeback

44:45

into the

44:46

where they met each other as

44:48

asses and as cheaper

44:51

the and is pretty cool to dislodge

44:54

you know engage with the with each other again

44:57

an hour stuff i that

44:59

was when i started because use you shut

45:01

that stuff vince before i even started on

45:03

the show as was in albuquerque

45:05

were working with michael morris i'm not

45:08

on the movie to leslie when when

45:10

you shut that stuff as

45:13

, said as if the a long time ago ago

45:15

you're thing as ago like as it was alone to raise

45:21

raise corrode the pandemic was new

45:23

now

45:25

yeah

45:26

the i started the early

45:28

salad days of the pandemic answer either

45:32

a jedi carol anne

45:34

and vince talk talk a little bit about

45:36

sort of the way that you has worked together

45:39

the

45:41

the i think it's a it's a pre it's a pretty unique

45:44

process and i think it's we're talking

45:46

as i said sub reddit gentiles know

45:48

what to do that ,

45:51

dime a dozen and another man i said

45:53

basically do it and then the of

45:55

and the amount of us have

45:57

our fsf know

45:59

feel very lucky i i worked for vince

46:02

i'm just as creative executive at this company but

46:04

i'm also a producer in the show and so that means

46:06

i have follow him around into a lot

46:08

of really fun places you know so i get to be the writers'

46:10

room and you know work with peter are within

46:12

the about it like our schedule and i have to support

46:15

our support staff and in this area ran the

46:17

the virtual boards and then when vince is directing

46:19

when she did quite a bit this season if

46:21

we go out to albuquerque together

46:24

and and we pray with melissa them

46:26

are upset with trina and so i

46:28

work really closely with our

46:31

you know our first a d this your with angie

46:33

for all the episodes in pathology all of the

46:35

the i'm drinking the and

46:38

then as we talk about many many times

46:40

in this podcast is this amazing amazing

46:43

directors homework is a plan

46:45

for the day of every shot really get that

46:47

so that he can focus on performances on the

46:49

day and so i take that homework

46:52

i'm usually the first person to read it and

46:54

i send it out you know with with help

46:56

as a thin melissa ice ended up to

46:59

the crew and then flag for them

47:01

like oh you know we didn't talk about this and crap

47:03

but we're going to need this special crane for for

47:05

be you know where you know profit

47:07

the way we are to need this extra bag of

47:10

diamonds for you know for sure the

47:12

and make sure that everybody knows if there's anything

47:14

that didn't come up during prep never going to

47:16

need on the day we had a can you a whole

47:19

if if if i need you to werner and bob how

47:21

they can hold the back of a fridge so that we can put a camera

47:23

back there you can this of a cool

47:25

shot we just make sure it's all there on

47:27

day and then and then you know

47:30

the mg and paul and i would look at the homework

47:32

and luckily we have amazing for thirty

47:35

the comes with a plan of exactly how

47:37

we're gonna do this an anti than

47:39

probably any birthday to have ever worked with for would

47:41

tell me exactly what forty five

47:43

minutes during the day you're going to shoot etti

47:45

particular site and then we were just execute

47:48

that plan and so sometimes in a call

47:50

when you shoot setting up something with matt a cameron

47:52

he'd ask me like oh can you go jordan

47:55

or wally look at sought deed

47:57

because is also take a lot of pictures

47:59

as we were the adding up a meet on

48:01

the three years i bigger as an onset within

48:03

maybe ten eleven episode that plus

48:05

all about can you know indices i will you everyday

48:07

which raises mean we have the homework with done

48:10

the press and then we did executed

48:12

as efficiently as possible c n

48:14

n the end i think it's this and a lot of finance

48:17

a now because into the the kind of guy he is

48:19

is peter is getting a good idea to say in

48:21

editing so for all of these episodes

48:24

i'll have fallen supposed russian i guess work

48:26

with hands of people like if it got old in

48:28

prison joey on these episodes

48:31

an idiot for the every the guy

48:33

in order to the mets and where it off for

48:35

very close to being done with this episode was like

48:37

that now we're mixing it this this week

48:39

it's you know pre dub right now though

48:42

right and it's gym

48:43

those are now is make some dumb joke

48:45

virgin as i don't know how at oh

48:47

what a gun through this year of me personally would

48:49

add jam cheese and amazing producer

48:52

and she gives me honest and

48:54

keeps and edge mean that's just i'm

48:56

talking about me but a minute she is a wonderful

48:58

producer on the show as

49:00

this day this don't know how we do the show with

49:02

our agonizes everybody agonizes this on

49:04

this on the sir

49:06

cast iron i don't know how would

49:08

have do the show that jennifer i don't know how would

49:11

do with a gym i know how we do that

49:13

damn and chris

49:15

you editor the hell out of the saying you did a ground

49:17

gray with zoe learn as juri juri live and

49:19

i know and i'm sorry and know how

49:22

we lose who ,

49:24

always work in his bought off and yes it

49:26

does a great yes joy would

49:28

you edited the saying and you guessed it a tremendous

49:31

job

49:32

thank you i'm a but also

49:34

i visit to actually what you just said

49:36

made me think about the fact and affected

49:38

jennifer brian you know

49:41

do jerry lewis because as he

49:43

started his wife out in in

49:46

in albuquerque se and alleys

49:48

and breaking bad and and

49:50

you know jin carol

49:53

what was your first

49:55

yeah we may have talked by this the podcast

49:57

the utter remember what was your first

49:59

i'm bragging about your first title

50:02

oh i am happy about it because

50:04

i was by this and mercer

50:06

see is the greatest of all super producers

50:09

and you know glad i have refused to let

50:11

go of everything as

50:13

as opposed to a lake many of the wonderful

50:16

supports app on the show a third of the oppose the

50:18

a first bit back breaking bad season

50:20

for now i think it's really

50:23

cool to see how some of the you know some

50:25

of us you know ten million

50:27

that i'm sure the

50:29

years from breaking bad as the alumni

50:31

how we have grown into since

50:34

in different positions and that

50:36

our of into i think it's a testament

50:39

the vince and peter you know

50:41

especially for us as

50:42

women to see i'm

50:45

them some movement and elevation

50:47

so gentlemen thank you for doing that

50:49

so those of us obama

50:51

benefits for even me even as a costume

50:54

designer i know that my

50:57

my responsibility over the years

50:59

back to be a little bit beyond that

51:02

and specific rise you guys us to the

51:04

us was awesome easy to

51:06

trust you guys because you folks

51:08

because the

51:10

the

51:11

they're all storyteller a big part of aside

51:14

from the talent and the

51:16

through the as in the hard work

51:20

all of you understand for

51:22

it it out a key to as

51:24

the director of photography as it at

51:27

all of our excellent

51:29

folks who made themselves indispensable

51:31

on on both the shows for fifteen

51:34

years had a have

51:36

the for anyone who wants to get into this business

51:39

the enthusiasm tower

51:41

hard work all of those things are super

51:44

important just to sort you would expect them to be

51:47

positive attitude

51:48

which buoys me up per all joking aside

51:51

i'm not the most positive person the world and around

51:53

gym for instance

51:55

this is a is up has a has

51:57

a salad salutary affections

51:59

after

51:59

what

52:01

it it helps that me

52:04

because you know i'm i'm you

52:06

know her her positively appear of

52:08

before that

52:10

you know when you will

52:11

one of the right produces a break you bad euroize

52:14

the guy in the writers were i'm who peterson

52:16

was good things are embracing doesn't

52:18

happen i am but it really

52:20

helped me get through a lot of bad days that

52:23

positivity so although says report

52:25

got up on a tangent story

52:27

telling being a storyteller as a

52:29

costume designer for instance jennifer

52:33

you are are looking at close

52:35

your design and close your your your procuring

52:38

them copies of it he

52:40

gathers he gathers of meat and potatoes logistical

52:42

stuff you gotta do but talk about

52:45

this is a good example of when it comes

52:47

to cinematography for instance it is

52:49

a good example when it comes to producing

52:52

what , what diana and

52:54

gender but just just of narrow

52:56

it down as example costuming

52:59

talk about as you are storyteller

53:01

dat you know

53:03

you know they the i mean i didn't

53:05

realize that i was you

53:07

know because

53:09

you know i'm you you get

53:11

a script and

53:13

you know that

53:16

you can't have a makers you gotta

53:18

ah

53:22

and such as that becomes like the first

53:24

the first

53:25

people ah

53:27

there there is things the high

53:29

that i mean even as he talking about

53:32

unique fast

53:33

a six trap

53:35

that to see

53:37

story into i was doing

53:41

how many years

53:43

why

53:45

i think

53:47

i'm working with you guys cause

53:50

it's really active it

53:51

the me a story tellers is by

53:53

osmosis is some of it dot

53:55

on me you know and i started

53:57

it did it in a good way i

54:03

the are in the fabric thinking beyond the fabric

54:05

thinking

54:06

the

54:07

it's deeper and literally

54:09

you know what i i do now and i'm i'm do

54:11

this on the project that i'm on now is

54:14

that

54:15

i'm not a director of but i shoot it

54:17

in my head i

54:20

, such a farm

54:22

i have developed that and

54:24

is it is miss my work

54:26

flow so much better and

54:28

make things make sense of maybe think about the very

54:31

the first time when ,

54:33

came back and remember

54:35

his feet and is when we're talking

54:39

so it and season

54:41

there are better call saul how

54:44

to just because we were when

54:46

we have to reverse engineer him

54:48

from being sick cop can

54:51

be snows die

54:53

how does how to see specimens

54:57

from whatever disease i start

54:59

off in

55:00

go on episode one better

55:02

call saul

55:03

guy that we seen several

55:06

years loader me

55:08

storytelling point you know

55:10

about less p brown

55:13

bad winter

55:14

the brown suits ah well

55:16

i unless you're wearing a uniform

55:19

cause are probably the most

55:20

or smoker and close hair

55:22

well you know clever them very much

55:24

so if you don't understand

55:26

character and the are you

55:28

gonna dress entirely different leave

55:30

or mean yeah yeah basically

55:33

in it and you know on the last part as we talked

55:35

a little bit of a with michelle maclaren on on

55:37

sixteen actually and you

55:39

know said something like you

55:42

i always as directors what do you see

55:44

your head and me we need to know those things

55:46

in your when i'm asking you guys

55:49

i'm mostly because i'm interested

55:51

incredibly especially not been there and

55:53

i ever read scripts but

55:55

you know i'm always very fascinated

55:57

from the writers aspect how did you you

55:59

know what

55:59

thank how did you get come up with it

56:02

you know we're all your what was your profit

56:04

on it because it informs

56:06

every single bit i know that you know

56:09

on things i've been on

56:11

i've asked you know questions narratively

56:13

sometimes i just get blank world

56:15

like either why would you ask that

56:18

or

56:19

how should i know and that is always

56:21

very disconcert

56:22

the committee because i'm like well fuck

56:24

you don't know that and others like a mindless the

56:26

mill

56:27

anyway sorry i just you know

56:29

with was a one to mention that because yeah

56:32

from europe that you know

56:33

or personally

56:36

right

56:38

of any tell so

56:39

that's about the so much about the character

56:42

so cross

56:44

and a good costume designers who can really

56:46

grasp what what they're doing and

56:48

what they're basing

56:50

the mandated to do they really

56:53

without even realizing it

56:54

the have storytelling skill

56:56

with your house have absolutely maybe

56:59

really do really good my

57:01

favorite of all as we told the story of a fork

57:03

as a device me so much of bears repeating

57:06

one am us the favorite thing she ever did force

57:08

jennifer is

57:09

in the big the as you were talking about

57:11

the the as close

57:14

, character explaining

57:16

character through close the

57:19

delineation of character as character

57:22

the finest example the

57:24

part my favorite exert many fine examples

57:27

the one the pops into my head is you

57:30

have had jimmy at

57:32

, poorest and least successful

57:35

in the pilot and the first season of better

57:37

call saul wearing these locations

57:39

with hannah with the last last battle

57:42

and you was your idea to break

57:45

the buckle on one of them and hold

57:47

it together with a paperclip to the early

57:49

on it is it ethical me it makes

57:51

me smile every time he says about there's one

57:54

shot in one episode

57:56

when he's making the a better cattlemen cry

57:59

after after

57:59

mike has into the kettle in his

58:02

house to steal the money backers one shot

58:04

where you can kind of make it but

58:06

i it's to my eternal regret

58:09

that i didn't get a specific

58:11

shot designed to show that off

58:14

or iranian one of those episodes

58:16

i account of drop the ball on that but i

58:19

when you with their nuclear

58:22

the earth to m ababa kurt

58:24

new so am that is an example

58:26

i wish i had made

58:28

more than i wish i had made an effort to stuff

58:31

specifically show to the audience but in way

58:33

of canada as america's the actor

58:36

had about his foot he looked every time he down

58:38

at his life as a sigh as saw that i know

58:41

see is it helps it helps

58:43

him understand realize who he was

58:45

playing whose character was it

58:47

was as a great example

58:49

thank you thank you got

58:51

his can his before we end this parker them any

58:53

this any this

58:55

really serious like deep dive for

58:57

you when we first started

59:00

a better call saul remembered saul lot of are talking

59:03

the office

59:03

jan you might remember the fear is like

59:06

we all are like well damn who is

59:08

kim she then breaking bad

59:10

you know

59:11

much do you know die or sunday and

59:13

in at three years

59:15

i always felt like

59:17

with not dead i interact with korea

59:19

that would always say we don't know she might be around

59:21

murky buried his don't know

59:22

oh

59:23

you know but

59:26

that even now i just finished working with deborah

59:28

chow and temperature was like i

59:30

just wonder what happened to camp i really

59:32

do this on a know sledges you know

59:34

what's gonna happen again

59:36

and you know so i'm

59:38

just curious can you guys talk a little that know

59:40

this is the penultimate

59:42

the can you guys talk a little bit

59:44

about

59:46

your plan was to come

59:48

up

59:49

this part and what was gonna happen

59:51

with kim and i'm not asking for

59:54

more i'm just saying

59:55

the dead yet

59:58

you know what what

59:59

your thought as far as can

1:00:02

go kept saying for the entire season

1:00:04

wage as because he kept saying we gotta

1:00:06

kill off your my son now

1:00:10

, she saw saw annoying

1:00:14

every season at the end of every say the

1:00:16

like products years the years we got rid

1:00:19

of my god don't i absolutely not

1:00:21

we cleaning the gun getting ready gotta

1:00:23

i getting still peter thought

1:00:25

about the thought about the obviously that

1:00:28

none of us are not as cool are opposite

1:00:30

of joking with peter talk about yeah thought

1:00:32

about how that came to pass what what to

1:00:34

what good became of her and i see

1:00:37

we were very interested

1:00:40

the donkey the starts off

1:00:42

and bit about jimmy mcgill right ensuring

1:00:45

the why did he become saul goodman was that

1:00:47

mean and as we move

1:00:49

forward we that that saw comes

1:00:51

out of

1:00:52

loss

1:00:54

in pain and anger

1:00:56

and also avoiding responsibility

1:00:58

in some way you know that is hiding

1:01:01

out in a weird ways hiding out saul

1:01:03

goodman it it only made sense

1:01:06

hm somebody

1:01:08

who the had a lot

1:01:10

of the same the issues the jimmy

1:01:12

does really you know she she loves to scam

1:01:15

and she loves she's she loves

1:01:17

to take the distance between two points

1:01:19

but that what happens season

1:01:22

the

1:01:24

actually a she faces at and

1:01:26

maybe she takes it maybe you could argue that

1:01:28

she should know hitter lied under a bushel

1:01:31

but she's she's not pretending it

1:01:33

didn't happen the way soldered saul

1:01:35

souls kind of thing is he sales are water

1:01:37

off the water off the back of a doc

1:01:39

at but she's she's taking

1:01:42

it to heart and is not

1:01:44

catholic but i also driven by

1:01:46

guilt ah and as a

1:01:49

i think i think that that was er et se

1:01:51

as i think the was really

1:01:53

cast last

1:01:55

season when she

1:01:57

it of jimmy wanted to you could jimmy

1:01:59

get ready break up and she said let's let's

1:02:02

do a bigger scam that's happened

1:02:04

a few times with this was the biggest one let's let's

1:02:06

howard the get and do good

1:02:09

bob doing a scam and

1:02:11

i think that she made a couple of choices

1:02:13

that we wanted to see her live with and especially

1:02:16

when tells her law

1:02:18

still live it

1:02:20

and i think that's that leads to maybe you know

1:02:24

one of the most heartbreaking scenes i've ever seen when she

1:02:26

explains yourself to jimmy

1:02:28

in episode nine so it's it's what

1:02:30

did you know whether repercussions this it it's it's

1:02:33

you know dying is sort of playing

1:02:35

the character as easy as

1:02:37

that weird wife is what do do what

1:02:39

do you do when you live what do you what

1:02:41

do you do with tiny have here that

1:02:44

was that was what was fascinating to us and

1:02:46

are you being can both runaway other own ways

1:02:49

but i think

1:02:51

she's be more honest with about

1:02:53

what's what's happened and has

1:02:55

she's making she's making a kind of progress

1:02:57

the jimmy has made the to me

1:02:59

that's that leads straight to that that

1:03:02

unbelievable seen that we haven't

1:03:04

talked about this episode where she of far

1:03:06

where she where she talks to cheryl then

1:03:09

she holds together with share all yeah

1:03:11

yeah yeah and then she gets on that that

1:03:13

bus which is is

1:03:15

the you know

1:03:17

i mean just holding on ray

1:03:19

the way it did vince it

1:03:22

it as had just had a letting their moment

1:03:24

way out this person is held

1:03:26

it together for so long and window

1:03:28

is so capable of holding it together and

1:03:31

the way ray breaks in that moment is just

1:03:34

i mean and it it's an amazing it's amazing it's

1:03:36

it's it's more amazing to me than that

1:03:39

in watching yeah

1:03:40

watching watching an army coming over a rich

1:03:43

it's just it's it's it's

1:03:45

it's i'm never going to forget that moment

1:03:47

that you the that plays out

1:03:49

so beautifully there the any form

1:03:51

it's not so extreme that i don't know if that's

1:03:53

really answering the question kelly but

1:03:56

i got to was trying to answer questions

1:03:58

no i i have

1:03:59

any five the you

1:04:02

guys can give because i mean

1:04:04

every conversation probably

1:04:06

i've ever had with anyone

1:04:09

about better call saul kim always

1:04:11

comes up and the not the greatest

1:04:13

compliment wanna know

1:04:16

you know was she's not very

1:04:17

then i'm way out i mean chris a nice

1:04:19

to talk about a mile

1:04:20

dead and we don't know about

1:04:22

her but

1:04:23

and i only hope she was a day and others

1:04:26

all him all the way i know

1:04:29

how generally i think i think you're exactly

1:04:32

you're exactly and that was one

1:04:34

of the reasons why we were willing to give up the secret

1:04:36

of our brain and aaron

1:04:39

because in a weird way i didn't feel that i

1:04:41

don't think followed that was the biggest twist

1:04:43

this of the season

1:04:45

i think we didn't we been much more careful

1:04:47

about what happens to kim because

1:04:50

they don't think it was a big revelation that maybe

1:04:52

maybe you'd walt and jesse again before

1:04:54

all for it's all over but ah

1:04:56

what happens to her to me is is

1:04:59

is truly it's

1:05:01

it's it breaks my heart and i

1:05:04

it breaks my heart but also the

1:05:06

elevator away i think my

1:05:08

just i just love i love what what happens with

1:05:10

her and i love the way vince wrote directed this episode

1:05:13

particular the great the

1:05:15

horns pretty damn good

1:05:16

my name brand of one

1:05:18

watch this it was like i think it was last

1:05:21

weekend or maybe know some

1:05:23

there are under oath late at night like texted

1:05:25

chris and i was like

1:05:27

okay so

1:05:29

she just gave all those guys in that

1:05:31

affidavit and i had a really think about

1:05:34

the next morning he was on my mind i guess

1:05:36

is i went to bed the next morning i'm

1:05:38

i woke up and ago macau

1:05:40

have breaking bad

1:05:42

dad yeah and

1:05:45

i'm sexism

1:05:45

that more him like oh yeah i kind of for god

1:05:48

because when you're reading that like affidavit

1:05:50

i'm like oh fuck she gave away might she gave

1:05:52

away franks gave away all my god

1:05:55

and unlike calvert burrow and

1:05:58

she said that in the

1:05:59

the episode eight billion dollar wasn't

1:06:02

because i was so enthralled with

1:06:05

toy that she made

1:06:07

the performance she was given i

1:06:09

mean it was really incredibly

1:06:11

good i mean just

1:06:13

with it and you know

1:06:15

so now and she tells

1:06:17

cheryl you know it's up to the

1:06:19

da of the da's gonna

1:06:21

bother to prosecute

1:06:22

but it means she got to

1:06:25

you know i guess

1:06:26

the about you know all of her knowledge

1:06:29

and you know put it out

1:06:30

there you know i hope we'll take only

1:06:32

sad fact of her life she's still

1:06:34

to take these him he though she doesn't say

1:06:36

for taxis yeah not mention she

1:06:38

talked to him that or

1:06:41

like that as and as nine yeah

1:06:43

and literally then i don't let me see to he

1:06:45

needs to give himself as he refuses

1:06:48

the damaging of performances

1:06:50

and of jimmy like wheat wheat we

1:06:52

guys i don't know will run at a time like

1:06:54

we always do but we got we've gotta

1:06:57

talk about

1:06:58

that

1:07:00

jimmy gene

1:07:03

a he gets to a point of this episode where

1:07:05

he's he's gonna kill

1:07:07

a guy i mean guys righties

1:07:09

a killer guy

1:07:11

the it could , out

1:07:13

of the situation that was by the way completely

1:07:16

avoidable i'm not certain

1:07:18

eleven plus he got to have yet

1:07:21

to be as happy in there might in

1:07:24

there have the way i view it is week is

1:07:26

is and

1:07:27

and the added are you view of i feel like

1:07:29

he needed to get caught he wanted to

1:07:31

get caught he wanted was he's

1:07:34

so reckless about this it's it's it's

1:07:36

so unlike him

1:07:38

and it and it it's just the every

1:07:40

moment he's in there is like give a fuck

1:07:42

what are the hell out of their well

1:07:44

known as well errors as

1:07:47

and and and know he he

1:07:49

had a plan and he didn't stick to his own plan

1:07:52

they didn't follow own rules and it any

1:07:54

any any burned himself and

1:07:57

i i just

1:07:58

i i

1:07:59

and then as the end

1:08:03

when he's he's with hair

1:08:06

brunette yeah i'm a huge he's

1:08:08

got the fuck eats like i'm

1:08:12

gonna there are

1:08:14

easy man crazy and my regular

1:08:17

and wife whoa i

1:08:20

yeah wife can see through

1:08:21

the and but i was just like man

1:08:23

i really believe that we all the

1:08:25

time like

1:08:26

what do you think you know how do you feel about wall

1:08:29

you know as me and i'm like nah man i won't the

1:08:31

when i i really watch out among

1:08:33

was the team was if

1:08:36

i'm like i really wanted to them to get back

1:08:38

together gotten the fence and i don't because

1:08:41

i'm a big that said out

1:08:43

why can't

1:08:45

, i i do have i do

1:08:47

have kind of i mean we can talk about it now

1:08:49

and i guess it's a little bit of spoiler but that

1:08:51

the is actually just a standalone

1:08:54

episode about the veterinarian

1:08:56

and i was going to run a bag

1:08:58

of as as a backdrop pilot for

1:09:00

better caldera better caldera

1:09:02

and it's coming in their twenties when

1:09:05

he and his so no

1:09:07

i i i as easy i and

1:09:10

bob really gets there now with

1:09:12

with terrell and and i mean he's these

1:09:14

get a murphy to get him for hurt these people and

1:09:16

and

1:09:17

you know i know that that that saul goodman

1:09:20

is certainly no stranger

1:09:22

to being to

1:09:24

clean up but ah a murder

1:09:26

side or you know he's he's he's

1:09:28

got his hands are very dirty their

1:09:30

buy it here

1:09:31

i've always been a layer of between him

1:09:33

and an android or not he's here

1:09:36

and he's

1:09:38

he's gonna do either i just of what what

1:09:40

was you know how how did you talk

1:09:43

about coming to that with him like you

1:09:45

do we feel we need to get him there

1:09:48

what was the thought process behind that peter

1:09:50

i forget so much what happened in the room but i think

1:09:53

as a part of it was know

1:09:55

you don't have to be sigmund freud say the scared

1:09:58

scare wanna get caught why

1:10:00

go into this house this poor

1:10:03

, only guy in episode eleven

1:10:05

by the way who was actually in the bar

1:10:07

this bar this wonderful bar montage

1:10:10

that time schnauzer wrote

1:10:12

directed them and use as well put is

1:10:16

the only guess put should die store misses the guy

1:10:18

that die was

1:10:18

the guy

1:10:19

probably pancreatic cancer his

1:10:22

to , only guys been nice to everyone else just

1:10:25

been an absolute shit he have an

1:10:27

adverse the only guy

1:10:29

is the guy wants to rob what his image

1:10:31

is chaotic he's just yeah so

1:10:33

peter i will was in the is able to i i

1:10:36

i figure we have been nailed it

1:10:38

as a see

1:10:40

you know he is is like chris said he's

1:10:42

violating all his rules you had that that

1:10:44

scam as they put together in the previous episodes

1:10:46

so elegant

1:10:47

you know the on that the

1:10:50

on the the last two to get

1:10:52

in and and doing is doing any

1:10:56

yeah , lazarus has taken

1:10:58

the last check in the book so that

1:11:00

people won't know they been robbed until much

1:11:02

robbed until towards too late

1:11:04

the now the first thing he does at the in the last

1:11:06

episode

1:11:07

break the glass together house

1:11:10

he knows seem he does seem reckless he

1:11:12

doesn't seem

1:11:14

and you kind of wonder if maybe this he

1:11:16

started down this when kim

1:11:18

said you should church turn yourself and you know

1:11:20

that maybe that is because we know last

1:11:23

episode we didn't know what caused them to go back

1:11:25

the jeff and body and say well yeah let's

1:11:28

let's go back to yeah he of you could if you

1:11:30

want to psychoanalyze you say well maybe what

1:11:32

but maybe he didn't want to get caught the whole time

1:11:34

as it is of why you know why he

1:11:36

got jeff about any of that he had he

1:11:38

kind of got away clean at the of episode ten

1:11:41

he did i mean know you know that

1:11:43

if he just that way start

1:11:44

yeah but he he was he

1:11:47

didn't have any more money i mean that that whole

1:11:49

phone call

1:11:49

i was going to have not as he had enough

1:11:52

and you know videos diamonds he's gonna

1:11:54

die and a lot of people make it a lot

1:11:56

of people are able to live our

1:11:58

lives with his the cinema manager

1:12:01

cinnabon that they do pretty well yeah so

1:12:04

it's you know i think yeah think yeah

1:12:06

has plenty it it's or his money that's driving

1:12:08

him because is also putting it all away

1:12:10

in a or just you know he's didn't

1:12:12

give

1:12:13

give a crap about money site as he gets us

1:12:15

into a look i don't think we should close

1:12:17

it up and talk it at

1:12:19

pull them apart to to clearly

1:12:21

on a podcast

1:12:23

because i it's really for the audience to

1:12:25

figure him out i mean a day or interest after

1:12:27

it's more interesting to do the work yourself

1:12:30

than have someone handed to you but i will say

1:12:32

yeah i just have to say

1:12:34

to that that i mean what a low point

1:12:37

saw is always saw jimmy gene

1:12:40

always had a soft spot in his

1:12:42

hard for the oldsters

1:12:43

that was why he was so good he

1:12:45

was so good season to

1:12:47

season one when started taking up

1:12:50

elder law he always

1:12:52

he always a sauce what he couldn't he couldn't

1:12:54

bear when he ruins i rings life

1:12:57

he can't he can't bear to leave it

1:12:59

alone and any he ends ruining himself

1:13:01

and said a

1:13:02

now here's here's a lady who he

1:13:04

i think really does like

1:13:07

an awful lot i mean i don't think you've

1:13:09

and you wouldn't and then and then and

1:13:11

then he's ready it and by the way you know

1:13:13

you see to comedy titans that

1:13:16

scene

1:13:17

playing this incredibly dramatic

1:13:19

scene i just think it's red i

1:13:21

think it's i think is

1:13:23

awesome i i i tell people every once

1:13:25

in awhile as he does this run episodes this

1:13:27

is the best work we've done maybe it the best

1:13:30

way to it's that that's that is a capstone

1:13:32

to i think a a really fantastic

1:13:35

episode and also a vinci's

1:13:37

last if you believe it vince

1:13:39

is gilligan the last episode

1:13:41

of better call saul

1:13:43

so that's very ago i pay

1:13:45

idea

1:13:46

that's the first episode

1:13:48

of television i've written all by

1:13:51

myself since the finale

1:13:53

of breaking bad and twenty twenty

1:13:56

one until crazy

1:13:59

i wrote

1:13:59

you know

1:14:00

wish i had a writers who have rocket

1:14:02

although i had as about salon i does

1:14:04

have a gym and gym definitely made it a lot better

1:14:07

i'm actually about to lot ideas off

1:14:09

or unofficially aafia better call saul

1:14:11

writers and i took great advantage of that but

1:14:14

oh or as a at what way

1:14:16

to out get to write and direct for

1:14:18

the great carol burnett my i'm so

1:14:20

honored and flattered

1:14:22

it was such it was said to talk about

1:14:24

bedroom and what a what a treat it won't have

1:14:26

on the line he does thoughts about this little

1:14:29

bit our area and my first were just

1:14:31

how much the crew

1:14:32

loves oh yeah it was so lost

1:14:34

carol burnett oh yeah we did

1:14:36

your assignment and six ten content or

1:14:39

two weeks ago and not two hours ago

1:14:41

a total know ,

1:14:44

such a beacon of light and this is a long

1:14:47

season it was our first cove and season

1:14:49

it was you know some of i saw this call been working

1:14:51

on this season for two and a half years now nonstop

1:14:54

and it nonstop and brutal but she she

1:14:56

would walk in and light up the room and she came with

1:14:58

a wonderful team or cheated death angie

1:15:01

in marjah and john you know her her her

1:15:04

glamorous teams and they just

1:15:06

lit up the room every time

1:15:07

staff

1:15:09

i wonder that i've ever seen

1:15:11

of staff i think i need to have achieved by now

1:15:14

and i usually and we have set a ,

1:15:17

i wish i would vote for

1:15:19

right and right answered by the way

1:15:21

this where it gets confusing angie

1:15:23

is carol burnett of staff is of ladies

1:15:26

there's ladies whole different wonderful and

1:15:28

angie our our our our first

1:15:30

first to assistant director who

1:15:32

who i was blessed to get to work with three

1:15:35

times this year

1:15:36

as mile who did

1:15:38

fantastic job first that man

1:15:41

i love age as she is so much fun she gives me

1:15:43

so much shit she does my

1:15:45

lover is so squared away she

1:15:47

just makes example

1:15:48

will never think again

1:15:51

the nervous again when a police car

1:15:53

pulls up behind me the way right

1:15:58

ah guys save

1:15:59

or so ago

1:16:02

or so far more chiesa jesse gotta

1:16:04

love those guess they are there are so

1:16:06

damn funny i they were so

1:16:08

much for they have on the said

1:16:10

and that crash every like

1:16:13

from from the first time

1:16:15

i saw the daily to as

1:16:17

literally every single caught and i

1:16:19

when we were working together a lot on

1:16:21

over soon

1:16:23

the kids to cut the together

1:16:26

and we you know you were are muted

1:16:28

but i could see you sometimes

1:16:31

not either and i know that there

1:16:33

is that delay

1:16:34

though like a second and a half after

1:16:37

that crash would it i would always see

1:16:39

you vince laughing as because i was

1:16:41

always lavish it makes it still makes me

1:16:43

laugh i like oh yeah it's so

1:16:45

perfect i think i think

1:16:48

perhaps through the magic of editing with

1:16:50

maybe we'll throw dirt her werner hamline

1:16:53

talking about that taxi crash

1:16:55

awesome

1:16:56

he talk a little bit about that and i'll just have

1:16:59

dropped these into the ugly later episode

1:17:01

your thing first of all we did all the

1:17:03

snow there isn't so that

1:17:06

was all snow business came in and did a wonderful

1:17:08

job for us for snow what

1:17:10

it would entailed on that crash

1:17:13

was even though it wasn't full speed

1:17:15

the pretty slow they wanted to

1:17:17

look a little more intense than it was

1:17:20

so what we did we went in and

1:17:22

weekend the rear side of that land

1:17:24

rover

1:17:25

it got here

1:17:26

we took a whole bunch of steel out of the front

1:17:28

portion of the cab

1:17:30

the when they hit each other collapse

1:17:32

each they would they crash so it looked like the a

1:17:35

little more intense crash where he's not going back

1:17:37

up and take off anymore yes

1:17:40

and we also had a tie off the

1:17:42

land rover so that he didn't hit it and push

1:17:44

it right out of frame that's tied

1:17:46

down there , had a little bit of

1:17:48

a jump ramp because we wanted the cab

1:17:50

the hit a little bit higher on land rover

1:17:52

so russia little more funnier when he opened the

1:17:54

door and he fell out then we had

1:17:57

then we the door swing open we

1:17:59

had inside

1:17:59

i'd we had fake airbag inside

1:18:03

we have a lot to do that and we had him hung up

1:18:05

on be a seatbelt for a minute that we release

1:18:07

it on cue yeah , was

1:18:09

a lot that was lot going on there there

1:18:11

wasn't that fun an

1:18:14

hour back we're back

1:18:15

it is as good as that

1:18:17

shy of pat healy when you look it up

1:18:19

with the cops is my favorite in the entire

1:18:21

episode i we i was in and

1:18:24

i knew he just had our the thought of idea

1:18:26

and made two weeks ago that with adam

1:18:28

only because you believe sausages

1:18:30

as talks about me

1:18:31

i'm working together news though know

1:18:33

but now

1:18:34

our also alfredo real quick

1:18:36

also the request heavyweight

1:18:38

a man at it that

1:18:40

was like all home week when i get to work with him

1:18:43

again he and i

1:18:44

i wrote an episode of

1:18:47

the night stalker the reboot of kojak

1:18:49

and i started to remember and frank spineless created

1:18:51

for a d c was got fifteen

1:18:54

sixteen seven now at seventeen

1:18:56

years is a long time ago as it had

1:18:58

he will

1:18:59

the bad guy a guy read

1:19:01

the bible living

1:19:02

back room of is horrible and

1:19:04

he was so freaking scary

1:19:06

to find these of find

1:19:08

this episode i think was called what's the frequency

1:19:11

contract at

1:19:14

it was it was an was an that

1:19:16

bots it arrested for sale was at work not

1:19:18

allowed to the great talent bucks we saw that

1:19:21

was national with all alum it was

1:19:23

at say it without again and see how

1:19:25

funny could be when all i knew

1:19:27

from was being dramatic it was much

1:19:29

the fiona him

1:19:31

the grass and work with him on the x files

1:19:33

scene and be really dramatic and then three and a be

1:19:35

really really funny on the middle i was

1:19:37

i was a funny kind of analog

1:19:39

to the

1:19:40

great we we we should unfortunately

1:19:42

probably come out close it up a coward

1:19:44

yeah have any other questions that you are

1:19:47

as something that

1:19:48

no i'm good

1:19:50

i requested chris

1:19:52

yes yeah

1:19:54

we have not probably a hyped up the great

1:19:56

they had murder because i have

1:19:58

people think that i edward simple production

1:20:00

but can i tell you diane is a person

1:20:03

citrine and i text the most

1:20:05

during are not a , rap

1:20:07

for but i my day on set

1:20:09

you know is it's not even about the or it i just

1:20:12

sit there taxi bad like is it okay that we're

1:20:14

doing this here's a here's a kid

1:20:16

i phone photos of this is a avoid

1:20:18

the shot were doing so this thing that's gonna happen

1:20:20

it it is it's okay okay is my guess

1:20:22

is i just these i am constant reassurance

1:20:25

that we have the so still have

1:20:27

the have like secure they talk about how she

1:20:29

balances with the thousands of alerts

1:20:32

calls that she gets i

1:20:34

was doing her heard era her

1:20:36

normal job prepping the simple prepping

1:20:38

have a pack rat a digital

1:20:41

pack rat

1:20:42

basically we only way to do

1:20:44

that

1:20:46

i i never throw out attack

1:20:49

already met

1:20:50

and

1:20:53

a giant list maker i'm

1:20:56

a giant list maker so i i

1:20:58

have everything is it actually

1:21:00

did get out of control this year this

1:21:02

is the worst

1:21:04

eleven way the

1:21:05

the ever and a long history of

1:21:07

the as soon as i say these last

1:21:10

for just because

1:21:12

i don't know how much you get psyched about i have certain

1:21:14

podcast like i'm sure

1:21:16

you mentioned that that's the

1:21:18

most challenging episode television that any

1:21:20

of us have

1:21:21

the ever the well he answered it

1:21:23

with we didn't say it like that air but

1:21:25

we've been talking about it like that

1:21:27

you know

1:21:28

roka learned of like the

1:21:30

vault

1:21:31

in you would never know you out

1:21:33

edit it was so

1:21:35

incredibly difficult

1:21:37

it looks effortless you no

1:21:40

idea

1:21:41

like how much work went

1:21:43

into that and i'm not

1:21:44

and argue about

1:21:48

every single department

1:21:50

that department store being built from scratch

1:21:53

which jennifer i know you must have health

1:21:56

of it of it stop that with close enough

1:21:59

he always been empty shell

1:22:02

yeah was and so

1:22:04

you know and almost like virtually

1:22:07

every shot in there as a visual effect of some kind

1:22:09

you know whether to monitor burn in the security

1:22:11

room or snow outside or

1:22:13

something like that so yeah

1:22:15

they they the volume of

1:22:18

incoming

1:22:20

bombs effect of the

1:22:22

facts or email of through these last

1:22:24

for was like nothing

1:22:26

i've ever experienced it yeah just

1:22:28

in terms of this the scope of the

1:22:30

story worth trying to tell and effectively just made

1:22:32

a complete pivot in i mean obviously

1:22:35

we get up for hours about what happens at the end

1:22:37

of episode nine

1:22:38

and then what happens at

1:22:41

the beginning of episode ten

1:22:42

the and

1:22:45

no i'm in

1:22:46

you guys are amazing age much

1:22:48

in the audience to fill in

1:22:51

everything that happens in between

1:22:54

the

1:22:55

because it is a huge turn now

1:22:57

for jimmy to get to this point

1:22:59

carol on your end of this episode and

1:23:02

if you haven't watched breaking bad you

1:23:05

there's a few thing missing the

1:23:08

that in that transition you

1:23:10

know i'm but it still works

1:23:12

like that was just because the performances or

1:23:14

so so strong and

1:23:17

the

1:23:18

but sorry i got off on tangents are

1:23:20

but a but yeah no i gen

1:23:23

and trina a and i are in constant

1:23:25

contact throughout the entire shoot and

1:23:28

then i'm literally just making a list

1:23:30

of as and if it's something we have to look

1:23:32

at and dailies we look at it right away if it's something

1:23:34

i have to kind of pen for later to

1:23:36

see if we need to fix something i

1:23:38

just i have a constant

1:23:41

hunt them

1:23:42

making of less and checking them

1:23:44

two hundred times and i'm sure that

1:23:46

we

1:23:47

you know

1:23:49

for it up your the likely to be famous

1:23:52

and you're the first

1:23:53

can i just say that the words express

1:23:55

have his at all day mercer

1:23:57

is the two notches the show

1:23:59

getting done which is you know what you it but

1:24:02

detroit being good

1:24:04

and i there's nobody whose opinion who

1:24:06

have as allies nobody has opinion

1:24:08

i died as a value as more and

1:24:10

especially in the in the scary moments

1:24:12

you know when you to make

1:24:14

the in posters diane

1:24:17

is there and also by the way

1:24:19

she's also the one figures out how long it's gonna

1:24:21

take us to make the show

1:24:23

yeah to open it is certainly

1:24:25

vincent i have no i mean i'm

1:24:28

yeah i have the

1:24:29

i had the foresight of like of a goldfish

1:24:32

so it's it's it's

1:24:34

it's a really it's it's i

1:24:36

just

1:24:37

we rely on her to us you know

1:24:39

what do you do this week

1:24:41

and you know she schedules it and that's what

1:24:43

we that's what we do in them more i've done this

1:24:45

more i've learnt just whenever diane

1:24:47

tells you to do next that's what you do a

1:24:49

second somehow it'll work out but she's

1:24:51

she's the really that

1:24:53

they're similar people are resigns extraordinary

1:24:56

years and and does at night extraordinary

1:24:58

in the world of people who do you do also

1:25:00

because

1:25:01

well as been had earlier years storyteller

1:25:04

he isn't that is is

1:25:07

as it sort of it's it's a banner i often

1:25:09

say filmmaker

1:25:10

which which really amounts the thing there

1:25:13

that was absolute rule if you've spoiled

1:25:15

us from l other we're all going to end

1:25:17

it all the say they are all getting fighting over

1:25:19

diane the rest of our current

1:25:22

ff , again and

1:25:25

different varieties through the air that doesn't

1:25:29

like was speaking of storytellers

1:25:31

i'm afraid that are story of for this podcast

1:25:34

has come to an end and ma'am

1:25:36

which is very sad and also at this also at

1:25:38

is vince is last episode is also my

1:25:40

last of better which

1:25:43

as we're recording we're haven't mix yet

1:25:45

so it still and i'm already working

1:25:47

for that's her show but it that's

1:25:50

her it doesn't feel like it's over yet

1:25:52

because we're of course we still have these podcasts