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G'day, welcome to

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1:45

Ashley Ginsburg. Thank you

1:47

so much for being here. I'm glad you're here. It's a

1:49

Monday. It's just you and me. If you've

1:51

never listened to the show before, thanks for being here. I'm here

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three times a week, been here since 2013, and

1:56

I'm just here to help you

1:58

make today better than yesterday. That's it. That's

2:00

it. That's my job. I love it. I

2:02

love this job. It's unreal. My name

2:05

is Joshua Ginsberg. I'm a podcast. I'm an

2:07

author. I'm a TV host. I'm a dad.

2:10

I'm a step dad. I

2:12

am someone who is testing

2:15

the structural

2:17

integrity of contact lenses and

2:21

how much temperature they can withstand in

2:24

a sauna lately, which

2:26

is interesting. Not a lot. If

2:29

I keep my eyes closed for too long, they get a bit gooey. As

2:32

long as I keep blinking, I'm okay. So that

2:34

kind of rules out meditation, but that's another

2:37

story altogether. But I'm

2:39

glad you're here. I wanted

2:41

to talk to you today about something

2:43

that you may not realize you

2:45

have the power to do. I'm

2:47

a science fiction nerd. I

2:50

guess I love reading science fiction. I read it

2:52

every night. I've always got a science fiction book

2:54

on the go at all times. It's something I

2:57

do to get myself to sleep. I enjoy reading

2:59

it. Wildly, I like enjoy reading dystopian science fiction.

3:02

If you know anything about my history, it's

3:05

part of my exposure therapy is that every day read

3:07

a story about 50 years from now when things are

3:10

very different. It's actually interesting. Now,

3:12

science fiction has always played with a couple of very

3:15

common tropes. There's the alien invasion science

3:17

fiction. There's a super intelligent science fiction,

3:19

which has to do with super charging people's brains. And

3:23

there's the time machine science fiction, which

3:26

has been used countless times. H.G.

3:28

Wells used it quite significantly. Back

3:31

to the Future, all three films.

3:33

Number one, probably the best

3:36

version of that idea. Say that parts of that film

3:38

don't really play so well. Looper

3:40

is one of my favorite science

3:42

fiction films actually starring Bruce

3:45

Willis and Joseph Gordon Levitt. Really

3:47

fantastic film. Tenet is

3:49

the other one, the Christopher Nolan one, which is

3:51

really fucking amazing. I have to watch

3:53

that about four times to get it all together,

3:56

but it's extraordinary. That plays with the timeline thing

3:58

in a whole completely different way. Every

4:01

one of these films centers around a

4:03

machine. This thing that a particular scientist

4:05

or a group of people created that

4:07

takes an enormous amount of energy to

4:09

make work, 1.21 gigawatts, and

4:13

only a very few amount of people have access to it. Which

4:16

is good, because otherwise we'd be able to have a million timelines

4:18

once. But you may not

4:20

realise you actually have the power to

4:22

construct a time machine right here, right

4:25

now. And I can show you how to do

4:27

it as we speak. You and

4:29

I have access to a time machine

4:32

every single day of our lives.

4:35

It's got to do with the way our memory works, and

4:38

it's got to do with symmetrical

4:40

vibrations of air, and

4:42

how those symmetrical vibrations of air can cause

4:44

an emotional response in you or I. I'm

4:48

talking about music. It's

4:50

simply symmetrical vibrations of air that

4:53

can cause an emotional response. When

4:56

Celine Dion sings, Baby, baby,

4:59

when I touch you like this.

5:01

I'm even getting goosebumps right now. It's

5:04

horrible that it happens, because

5:06

I'm not a massive fan of Celine Dion, but

5:08

those particular combinations of tones

5:11

and music and chords will give me an

5:13

emotional response that is quite delightful. And you

5:15

probably have that with all kinds of music

5:17

in your life as well. But

5:20

the way that our memory works, those

5:22

particular songs that were important and

5:24

playing at important times of our

5:26

life, you can put them on.

5:29

And provided you haven't burned them, like I did so

5:31

many of mine working in radio, provided

5:33

you haven't burned them, those songs

5:36

will transport you to

5:38

a very different emotional place. Now, why is

5:40

this handy? Well, I'm

5:42

somebody that's struggled and sometimes has ongoing

5:44

struggles with anxiety and depression. Just my

5:47

brain frames things in a very negative

5:49

way, a very

5:51

fearful way sometimes. And it's tricky to

5:53

get out of it. One of the techniques that I use

5:55

to get out of these emotional states that I can't seem

5:57

to bust out of is using... music

6:01

because the memory response

6:03

of listening to a song that's really significant

6:05

and was playing at a really significant time

6:07

in your life is so strong. It

6:10

can literally bust you right out of

6:12

whatever unhelpful thinking pattern you might be

6:14

stuck in. In the interest

6:16

of defining and demonstrating exactly what it is that I'm

6:18

talking about, I'm going to help

6:21

you construct a time machine right now. Whatever

6:23

way you choose to listen to your music, create a

6:25

playlist. Let's create our

6:29

time machine. I'm going to build my time machine right now.

6:32

Track one is the first

6:34

song you ever remember hearing on the

6:36

radio. The first time you became aware

6:39

that pop music was a thing. I

6:42

know exactly which one it was for me. It

6:44

was Let's Go Crazy from Prince. I

6:46

can never hear that song and

6:49

not A, be reminded that, oh my goodness,

6:51

there's this incredible thing in this

6:53

vibe happening. It was an AM radio station in Brisbane happening

6:55

somewhere and I want to be a part of this thing.

6:58

I'm playing guitar. What do you mean he stays up all

7:00

night playing at clubs until five in the morning? That

7:04

song? Absolutely. If

7:06

I put that song on, it will take me back to that

7:08

moment. I even remember where I was. I was playing around in

7:10

the back of my mum's Mitsubishi van listening to the radio because

7:13

we just got it and we had the keys turned on. We were listening to

7:15

the radio because it was a radio that we could listen to that wasn't in

7:17

the house. That's track

7:19

number one. Track number two

7:22

is the first song that you memorized all

7:24

the words to. Now wildly for me, it's

7:26

also a Prince song, but it's a song

7:28

that was sung by Shaka Khan, a song

7:31

called I Feel For You. I

7:33

memorized every single word and I even knew the rap,

7:35

which is very hard because I did not have a

7:37

cassette player or ability to record the song because I

7:40

had to wait for it to come on the radio.

7:43

I could just remember.

7:46

I still remember all the words right now. It's

7:48

free. This is a

7:51

goodie, the song that was playing either

7:53

while you had your first

7:55

kiss or around the day

7:57

or the days when you had your

8:00

first kiss. Kiss. Mine recently got a

8:02

huge amount of attention.

8:04

Mine was Tracy

8:06

Chapman, Fast Car, in

8:09

the backyard of a house next to the

8:11

Tuong Cemetery with a

8:13

girl called Nikki. Hi, Nikki. And

8:17

along those lines, what is the song that

8:20

was playing when you

8:22

lost your virginity? Now, it

8:24

might be a song from a band you're not a fan of. It

8:27

might be a song that you definitely put on

8:29

very deliberately. In my case,

8:31

it was. It was a side

8:34

two of Led

8:36

Zeppelin's remasters. So the

8:39

song remains the same by Led Zeppelin. That was a

8:41

song playing when I lost my

8:43

virginity. And I was wearing my Utopia Home of Heavy

8:45

Metal t-shirt, which is a record store

8:47

in Sydney. Track five.

8:50

What is the song you played or schoolies?

8:52

So whenever you had schoolies, what's

8:55

the song that was playing? For

8:57

me, it was Stop From

8:59

Change Addiction was the song that I played all schoolies.

9:03

The apartment we went to go visit that were playing

9:05

Nirvana, but I was listening to Change Addiction. Now

9:07

we're getting into the stuff that happens after school. So what

9:10

was the song that arrived with your first

9:12

non-school friend? Like you got a ride with

9:14

someone. For me, it was on I was

9:16

at TAFE. And I got away with

9:18

someone. I thought, what is this? What are you listening to? And

9:20

they said, oh my God, it's this

9:23

band called Tower of Power. What's Tower

9:25

of Power? And that's the first

9:27

time I heard What Is Hip from Tower of Power. And

9:30

it blew my mind wide

9:32

open. What is the song that

9:34

played at the first

9:36

funeral of a friend that

9:38

you knew as an adult? I

9:42

went to a school of all boys and

9:44

I, you know, being a boy under the

9:46

age of 25 is a dangerous thing. And

9:50

Jeff Buckley's Grace, that was

9:52

a song that played at my friend Richard's funeral. And

9:55

every time I hear it, you know, that's

9:57

that's where I get going to. Sometimes you need to

10:00

sad song as well. Sometimes you need to kind of be in those

10:02

moments. If you've got some sort of grief, you can't get out or

10:04

you're sad about something you can't quite get there. That's

10:06

all right. Turn up the dial on

10:08

that action. Now, at some

10:10

point as you're an adult, you kind of started to

10:13

get into relationships that are a little more serious. It's

10:16

possibly impossible given your rental

10:18

prices right now, but I'd moved

10:20

in with my girlfriend when I was 21 and

10:23

I got quite heavily into Eric

10:26

B and Rakeem because my girlfriend at the

10:28

time had just come back from living in America and she had this

10:31

mixtape and Eric B and Rakeem was like,

10:33

whoa, what is this? I didn't know what

10:35

it was. It's just incredible. And

10:38

whenever I listened to that, I'm back at

10:40

that apartment in Kangaroo Point. What's

10:42

the song of your first big

10:45

breakup? Well, that

10:47

particular girlfriend, it was times

10:49

like these, Foo Fighters. That was

10:53

the song. That was the breakup

10:55

song. But then after that, after the

10:57

pain and after the, there's the song

10:59

of redemption. What's the song

11:01

that was playing when

11:04

you realise, you know what, things might be

11:06

okay. It was

11:08

lap dance from NERD. That

11:11

was the song. The song of your first

11:13

big overseas adventure. I

11:16

reckon for me, the

11:18

song that was playing during my first big overseas adventure,

11:21

I had a Sony sports Walkman and a pair of

11:23

AKG cans

11:25

that I acquired

11:28

from the radio station that I worked at, the

11:30

foam yellow over ear ones and

11:32

it was more bounce to the

11:34

ounce from Zap. So

11:37

I'd been on a very heavy metal trip.

11:40

Like I noticed, like I really love metal. I really

11:42

do. And so many of these songs though, metal

11:45

is not something I share with many of the people that

11:47

I have loved and have loved me and have been very

11:49

close to my life. So this

11:51

is why some of these music isn't really kind of metal, but

11:53

it's definitely a big part of my life and remains to be

11:55

seen. We'll get to that in a second. But

11:58

this particular song, I just... started jamming

12:00

with the guys from Resin Docks and there was a

12:02

radio show that was on Thursday nights from Triple Z

12:04

in Brisbane and I've taped it and

12:06

I had a tape of that radio show walking

12:08

around Europe listening to Zap more

12:10

bounce to the ounce which was absolutely

12:13

sick. The next track, cause

12:15

you might only be at that point and that's fine, I'm

12:17

minding double, triple album by now. So if you're old like

12:19

me, I'm 50. So if you're old like

12:21

me, the next track, what's the,

12:23

and then now we're getting into more current areas.

12:26

What's the song that brings you to the courtship

12:29

or your current partner? What's the song

12:31

that gets you to this moment where

12:33

you're like, I'm really starting to

12:35

like this person. I'm really starting to get,

12:37

I'm really starting to get into you

12:39

and I think you're pretty awesome. I

12:42

met Audrey when I was still living in America and I

12:44

was doing a lot of driving like

12:47

in California or across Utah.

12:49

So American Highways, country

12:51

music, all right. And it's a song by band

12:53

called Son Bolt, Winfall and it's

12:55

that kind of country heart yearning kind of

12:58

stuff. That I really,

13:00

really dug on. Your

13:02

Wedding Song, put that on there. Never

13:05

too much, Luther Vandross. Absolutely

13:07

the best, the best ever. And aside

13:09

on that, Georgia who just turned 20,

13:12

Georgia did a dance to Florence and the

13:14

Machine, Stog Days are Over on the Day

13:16

of Our Wedding, which was just astounding. So

13:19

those two songs take me back to that day straight

13:22

away. The next track I

13:24

want you to put on there, if you can remember it,

13:26

a song that was playing around when your first child was

13:28

born. We had music in the room and

13:30

it was Khalid Talk. That

13:32

was a song, Georgia made a playlist and

13:34

that was a song that was playing in the room with us. And

13:37

the next song I want you to put on there is

13:39

like, when you're driving the kids to and from sport and

13:41

they've put songs on like, oh my God, you wouldn't like

13:43

this. And you go, yeah, you probably rather

13:46

wouldn't put that song in there. For

13:48

me, it's Cardi B

13:50

and Megan Thee Stallion's, W.A.P

13:53

that's the track. Cause

13:55

G and her mates would put it on going, oh, we're

13:57

going to make him cringe. Nah, man, that's a great track.

14:00

It's a really good track. And

14:02

I think finally, what's a

14:04

song that you have discovered helps you lift

14:06

really, really, really heavy at the gym or

14:08

go extra hard on your workout or really

14:10

push through when you're trying to get where

14:12

you're going in a physical way. And

14:15

for me, that's Snakes for the Divine by

14:17

a band called High on Fire. Now

14:19

these are just suggestions. These are just

14:22

suggestions, but that's what? I don't know, 12, 14 tracks. I'll

14:24

put my playlist in the show notes, but I really wanna know

14:27

what yours is. What is yours? I'll write

14:29

the list out. These are the milestones,

14:31

but essentially every big joyful

14:33

milestone in your life, put

14:35

a song that was playing at the time there.

14:38

And what you do when you're feeling a bit shit,

14:40

when you're feeling a bit overwhelmed, when you're feeling like

14:42

you can't get your head around something or plan in

14:44

and out of this or everything's too

14:46

much, just whack on this playlist

14:49

and you will be transported. You

14:51

will travel through time to

14:53

those moments. You have that

14:55

ability and you have the ability to

14:57

keep doing it. The great philosopher and

15:00

frontman, David Lee Roth, he sings in

15:02

a band called Van Halen or sang

15:04

in a band called Van Halen. So

15:06

many incredible quotes. He's quite a remarkable

15:08

orator. One of my favorites is just not whether

15:10

you win or lose this, how good you look, Frank. His

15:13

advice is, now he was talking about CD, but

15:15

it works with your phone as well. Like put

15:18

a note in your calendar and

15:20

then just have this song play every time you get in

15:23

the car or every time you get on the bus or

15:25

the train or whatever. And you do that

15:27

a month at a time. And what

15:29

happens then is over a year, you build

15:31

up these kinds of reference points because our

15:33

brains work by referencing things together. It's very

15:36

hard for us to remember the one single

15:38

t-shirt that somebody wore last Tuesday. But

15:40

if it was the t-shirt that was wearing the stand

15:42

next to Jenny and we were at the thing, we

15:44

were at the opera house and there was a thing

15:46

and they thought, oh, it was the pink one. Yes,

15:48

if we have more reference points, we can remember something

15:50

in a much easier way. So if you give yourself

15:52

that reference point, you will

15:54

actually end up remembering so many more things about

15:56

your life. And you'll also be

15:58

able to transport yourself really those emotions once

16:01

again. Even just talking about this stuff with you

16:03

today has filled me with

16:06

a completely different set of

16:08

neurotransmitters and emotional chemicals than that I

16:10

was feeling when I started recording this

16:13

20 something minutes ago. You have a

16:15

time machine in your pocket. I really,

16:17

really, really want you to build it and I can't

16:20

wait to see what yours looks like. I'll

16:22

put the playlist and the show notes, tag me.

16:24

I'll put this on Instagram. Write

16:26

down in the comments what yours is because I really want to see

16:28

what it is. Because you know,

16:31

I might find a song in yours that might go, oh

16:33

yeah, that's right. And I get to go somewhere else, which

16:35

will be awesome. And you'll transport me

16:37

there. It'll be brilliant. Thank you

16:39

so much for being a part of the show. Thank

16:41

you to Andy Ma who did audio and video posts

16:43

on this. Thank you very much to Abby Benno, my

16:45

producer, to Toe Heider who made the music, to Ben

16:47

and Monica for keeping the lights on at OGTV. And

16:51

if you want to get involved with the live show, we're coming

16:53

back to Melbourne at the Comedy Festival. We'll be there from the

16:55

28th of March. It's my birthday on the 50th. You

16:59

can buy tickets on my birthday. Come along, it'll be great. We're at

17:01

the Greek Centre. We're on late at night. It'll be super fun. On

17:04

Wednesday, Sharon Callis is here. She

17:06

is the CEO of Mission Australia.

17:09

It is wildly quite

17:11

a positive talk about homelessness. If such

17:13

a thing can happen, it does. And it's

17:15

great. And I can't wait to share that

17:17

with you. I can't wait to find out what your time and

17:19

she sounds like. I'll see you

17:21

then. You

17:28

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products as regular folks. And

17:50

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17:52

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17:54

homelessness. And

17:56

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17:59

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