2:00

Thank you. You had to have a podcast. I

2:02

mean, it has been really fun. And

2:05

I loved going to other people's podcasts and like,

2:07

what? Maybe I should do my own. Yes. So

2:10

I'm glad to be here. And I'm so thankful

2:12

that, you know, we're so new

2:14

to this thing that you said yes to coming

2:16

in, having a conversation with

2:18

me. Girl, of course. I just,

2:20

I always feel so good around you. You

2:22

bring like a good energy. And

2:25

it's no wonder that so many people

2:27

love watching you on TV because people

2:30

think of me like, oh, she's like,

2:32

you know, I'm dating shows. You understand? No. Like

2:36

Cammie Crawford is the, the

2:38

real dating show queen. Thank

2:41

you, girl. Thank you. I don't,

2:43

I don't know if that is

2:45

the case for everyone because I'm pretty sure

2:47

everyone listening sees you as a dating show

2:50

queen. Yeah. People understand

2:52

because Cammie

2:54

is the co-host of Catfish. She's

2:57

the host of Are You The One and

2:59

X on the Beach and then the host

3:01

of your podcast called Relationships. So no, I

3:03

think you, I think you got me covered.

3:06

You got me beat for sure. I mean,

3:08

I do love to talk about relationships. I don't

3:10

know. I don't know why. I don't know.

3:13

I don't know what it is, but it's, it's just one of my favorite things. Well,

3:15

I guess people love hearing you talk about

3:17

it because you've had such an amazing career.

3:20

You started out as, or

3:22

I would think this is maybe

3:24

where you started as a former

3:26

Miss Teen USA, 2010. I'm doing

3:28

my pageant wave, y'all. I love it. Would

3:31

you say that's how you got your start?

3:33

I mean, that was the catalyst for

3:35

a lot of the things that I'm doing in

3:37

my life right now. I think,

3:39

you know, at the time I was 17 years old,

3:41

it was my first pageant. I had

3:43

never competed in pageants before, but we're,

3:45

we're pageant sisters, same system. So we,

3:47

we know, we know the vibes. We

3:49

know the journey that it takes

3:51

to get there and whether it's your first time

3:54

or you've been doing it your whole life, every

3:57

year is different. Every pageant is different. Every set of

3:59

judges are different. different so you never know what

4:01

it is that they're looking for and I think

4:03

I got really lucky

4:05

that they were looking for something fresh

4:07

and different and someone who

4:09

was totally clueless to this

4:12

world because there's a

4:14

lot of aspects to it. People don't know.

4:16

No. Do you talk about your pageant experience?

4:18

Yeah I do. Who did I have on the

4:20

other day? I've had somebody else on, I've had

4:23

a few people on that have

4:26

a background in pageants but I realized there's so

4:28

many people that that's how

4:30

they got their start. Yeah. More than you

4:32

think. Yeah. And so yeah I always

4:34

talk about it because that's the only reason that

4:37

I'm here too. It opens up your

4:40

mind in a different way. Like I

4:42

can't say that winning Miss Teen USA

4:44

opened the door for me. Like I

4:46

definitely had to work for it and

4:49

there wasn't you know a person that I met while

4:51

I was in Miss Teen USA that was like hey

4:53

let me give you this job or let me give

4:55

you this opportunity. But had I not

4:58

won Miss Teen USA I don't think

5:00

that I would have ever known that

5:02

being in front of the camera was

5:05

something that I would be good at.

5:07

Yes I think it just expands your

5:09

world to what you could do. Yeah.

5:12

And that's how I felt. I always thought

5:14

of my way out. Yeah. I

5:16

was like I love Alabama. Like I'm so like

5:19

Roll Tide forever. Roll Tide. But I

5:21

did want to do something different and

5:23

I saw and would

5:25

like research how all these

5:28

people who had won these

5:30

pageants had made a

5:32

career after it. So I

5:35

always hoped it was but then even

5:37

when I did win Miss Alabama USA

5:39

I didn't win Miss USA so I

5:41

was like okay what

5:43

am I gonna do. And it's so weird like everything

5:45

still worked out and I'm

5:48

so thankful for that time. Yeah.

5:51

But I also like you're like I guess they just

5:53

wanted something fresh. I think that's always the

5:56

key after you've done it for so long and I can

5:58

say this because I did a different system. you

6:01

start like just

6:04

get rusty and crusty. It's

6:06

not crusty. They know

6:08

because you're just doing the same thing or

6:10

listening to what other people are doing and

6:12

I think you can get a little like,

6:16

you're just a watered down version of

6:18

yourself to what you think somebody likes

6:20

to drink, basically. Yeah, yeah. And when

6:22

you come in not really

6:25

knowing what you're doing, sometimes

6:28

you do have to like, you'll be like, oh,

6:30

this is a lot different than I thought and

6:33

it's great that next year. But sometimes people see

6:35

that like you, because

6:37

you haven't had anybody else tell you what

6:39

you need to do. Yeah. And

6:42

I think that's really refreshing and it does not surprise me that

6:44

you were a one and done girl. Oh, thanks

6:46

girl. I have to tell you though, because

6:49

I was so clueless, I was

6:51

oblivious to the hateration that

6:53

was taking place. Girls were

6:55

trying to play mind games on me and

6:57

they must've thought that this girl has to

6:59

be the dumbest person I've ever met because they would

7:01

say things and it would just bounce off

7:04

my brain. I just didn't get it. Because

7:07

I'm also not like that. I'm a

7:09

girls girl. I'm the oldest of six girls.

7:12

So I'm all about the

7:14

girls. So when someone is trying to

7:16

be catty or they would try to

7:18

ask you certain questions to figure out what,

7:20

yeah, getting your head or what

7:23

colors your dress. Oh, my dress is

7:25

that color. Oh, well, what style is it?

7:27

Oh, well, mine's that style. Oh, does it

7:29

have rhinestones on the bodice? Yeah, it does.

7:31

Oh, well, mine has rhinestones on the bodice

7:33

and my coach says that it's the most

7:35

beautiful dress in this style and this color

7:37

that they have ever seen. And I showed

7:39

it to the Miss Universe organization and they

7:41

said that they thought it was the most beautiful

7:43

dress they've ever seen. So where you're like, oh my God,

7:46

I don't have your dress. So I must

7:49

not have the most beautiful gown like the

7:51

things that girls will do

7:53

to try to mine you but

7:56

I didn't realize the mine at

7:58

all. I just didn't. It just didn't

8:01

compute and I think that that was a good

8:03

thing because I didn't end up feeling Towards

8:06

the end of it like oh my

8:08

god people are after me, but they

8:10

it does happen It's I have a

8:12

lot of long-term friends from the pageant

8:14

system But I also made

8:16

some some enemies that like I didn't make

8:18

could it I'm like I didn't this is

8:20

a one-sided What I did anything like who

8:22

are you fighting? I Were

8:27

Miss teen USA when it was like at its

8:29

prime and y'all got to like didn't you don't

8:31

you like move to New York? And you have

8:33

like this apartment you go to all these events.

8:35

Yes, you have any idea what you're

8:37

getting into Oh girl Yes, I first

8:40

of all and maybe

8:42

it goes back to it being my

8:44

first time and me being delusional

8:47

I just knew I was gonna win. So I

8:49

had already my pageant was in the

8:51

Bahamas So Missy USA was in the Bahamas

8:53

that year I had packed for

8:55

the Bahamas, but I also packed a bag to

8:58

move to New York Yes, because I was like

9:00

I'm moving to New York after this

9:02

like what do you mean? That's

9:05

the energy you have yeah Yeah

9:07

So the organization was very confused when like

9:10

they came to my suite because you know after you

9:12

win They get you like a

9:14

big suite your whole family comes and they like

9:16

say their goodbyes and you know wish you luck

9:18

and You pack to go to New

9:20

York and so, you know My travel

9:23

manager who just became my travel manager

9:25

five seconds ago comes into my suite

9:27

and she's like, okay So we're gonna have to

9:29

pick some pieces for you to go for your

9:31

interview week and media training and everything like that

9:33

So, you know, do you have a suitcase that's

9:35

empty or should we provide one for you? I

9:37

was like, oh my my pack suitcases over there

9:39

for New York It's ready to go.

9:42

I've got 20 looks lined up

9:45

I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I

9:48

didn't know how rigorous it would be

9:50

though There's nothing

9:52

that can prepare you for that. So I

9:55

was going to I don't

9:57

even know my when you win Miss

9:59

Teenu Miss USA, Miss USA, Miss Universe. Every

10:02

30 minutes of your life is planned for you.

10:04

So if I wanted to take a nap or

10:07

take a shit, it was in my schedule. Like

10:10

there was no deviating from

10:12

the schedule. If I had a day off, I

10:15

could do my own thing, but as

10:17

far as the schedule, the schedule is the

10:19

schedule. The itinerary is set. You

10:21

don't have any say so in regards

10:23

to that. And that's your life for a year.

10:25

So you better get on

10:27

board and figure it out because if you've

10:30

got plans or you think you're

10:32

going to your best friend's 18th

10:34

birthday party, no ma'am, you're

10:36

not. Were you a senior in high school or? I

10:39

had graduated. So I deferred

10:41

a year before I went to University of Alabama

10:44

and roll tide. Roll tide, maybe. And then

10:46

transferred to Fordham's programs. But

10:49

I was free. I

10:51

was free. So I think that makes a big difference too

10:53

because I'm like, oh my gosh, like what

10:56

do you do about school when your

10:59

schedule is like that? Well,

11:02

funny enough. So this goes back

11:04

to figuring out my purpose because

11:06

of being with TUSA. But prior to

11:08

that, I thought I wanted

11:11

to be a dermatologist. I was like so

11:13

ready to go into, I

11:15

had deferred a year to Alabama

11:17

to get in their pre-med program. So

11:20

I was like, I need to get my

11:22

prerequisites taken care of so that when I

11:24

get to Alabama, I'll already be ready to

11:27

like start taking my core classes. Girl,

11:30

I signed up at a local

11:32

college to take all these prereqs,

11:34

so like English and like whatever,

11:37

social science, whatever it is that I had to just

11:39

get out of the way that was not related to

11:41

the pre-med track. I

11:46

was spending my days as

11:48

Miss Teen USA, waking up at the

11:50

ass crack of dawn, going to like a volunteer

11:52

thing then in the afternoon, going

11:55

to a day event, then eating

11:57

food while doing my makeup to go to

11:59

a... gala at night, then taking the

12:02

train from New York City to Westchester,

12:04

New York, where my school was. I

12:06

was at Manhattanville College in like, Purchase,

12:08

New York. I would get

12:10

on the train at like,

12:12

midnight, study for my tests,

12:15

and go to class the next day at

12:17

Manhattanville, and then get back on the

12:19

train that afternoon and do it all again. And that

12:22

was nuts. That was crazy. And

12:25

had I known that like, that wasn't going to

12:27

be my life, and that I wasn't going to

12:29

be pre-med, then I probably would not

12:31

have done all of that. But I was very

12:33

serious about school and like, getting

12:35

into it. And so it was

12:38

just like, this is what I have to do. So that

12:40

that was chaotic. And I can't imagine if that

12:42

was like, my senior year of high

12:45

school. Now they don't

12:47

move the teen at all. So you

12:49

stay in your hometown, which I

12:51

think if you are in high

12:54

school, it's good. But

12:56

at the same time, I think that there's something to

12:58

the experience of living in New York and like, being

13:01

this public figure that is the core

13:04

to what the role is, you know? It

13:06

seems like there's no doubt you

13:08

had so much growth during that

13:10

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13:13

17 year olds that are working

13:15

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13:18

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13:20

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13:23

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13:25

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h-e-l-p.com/tomorrow. Were

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you one of those people, I

16:53

did really well in school, I

16:55

sometimes don't seem like I'm so good, but

16:57

I do really well in school. And

17:00

I knew if I wanted to

17:03

go any route, like I

17:05

could make it. Was that also something hard? Like,

17:07

were you still doing well in your classes? And

17:09

you were like, I just

17:12

kind of hate this, but I know

17:14

I can do it. Yeah, yes, I've

17:16

never been, I've been good

17:19

in classes, but I think when

17:22

I got to Fordham, I was so

17:25

distracted by my future. I

17:28

just didn't care about the

17:30

bullshit. Like at Fordham, I think

17:32

that's actually smart, right? It's not bullshit for

17:34

a lot of people. Like some people love

17:37

the stuff, but like Fordham's Jesuit. So

17:39

you have to take a lot of like theologies

17:41

and philosophies and like, there were, it

17:43

was just like a lot of things that I was just

17:45

like, this is not my

17:47

focus. I need to be in a studio. I

17:50

am Oprah Winfrey and I need to be on a

17:52

set. That was where my mind

17:55

was at 19 years old. I was like, I am

17:57

Oprah and I need to be treated like such. I

18:00

don't need to be here. How many times do I have

18:02

to tell you guys this? I

18:05

thought that I was supposed to have my big break

18:07

literally at 22. I was like, this is my

18:09

time. Yeah. I'm here. Give me my

18:11

show. That's delusional. But sometimes delusion

18:13

works. I'll have to say, I think you

18:15

have to have a little bit of that.

18:17

We have to be knocked down. Yeah. And

18:20

a little bit. It's like, I still

18:22

don't understand. But if you don't believe

18:24

that that can be, or

18:27

that can be accomplished, then why

18:29

are you even doing it? Yeah, exactly. You've

18:31

got to have a little, an ounce of

18:34

delusion will take you where you need to be. Yes.

18:36

I had a few ounces. So I was like,

18:39

you know, I just wasn't present

18:43

at all. I will say that. And I do regret

18:45

it. Because when I got

18:47

to my graduation, I

18:50

didn't have any friends in school. All my

18:52

friends were out in Manhattan. Like, all my

18:54

friends were like people who were already working

18:56

like adults. People were real

18:58

adults. I didn't make

19:00

friends with people in my classes or like go

19:02

to bars with them. Because I was at the

19:04

real club. Yeah. Look,

19:07

you skipped all that. I skipped all of it.

19:09

I was just like, hm, I'm out.

19:12

Like, I'm doing my thing. And when

19:14

I would be in class, I would

19:16

have my laptop out, like, to take

19:18

notes. But I would really be like

19:20

editing my reel, or, you know, sending

19:22

my resume and my headshot out to

19:24

local news stations. I

19:27

was distracted, for sure. And it didn't

19:30

mean that I didn't get good grades, because I still

19:32

did. I still did my work. But I wasn't invested.

19:35

And when it came to standardized testing, like, it

19:38

was never my thing. Testing has never been my

19:40

thing. I fell asleep taking the SAT. I

19:42

fell asleep taking the ACT. Girl, I don't. I

19:45

just can't. I'm sorry. No, I

19:47

just can't. I can't. But

19:50

look at me now. I know. But I

19:52

think that's good to hear. Because sometimes

19:54

people think, oh my gosh, I have

19:56

to be like this star student, which

19:59

I can just say for myself. I made really good grades.

20:04

I was not going

20:06

out there and doing the thing.

20:08

Yeah, I'm not valedictorian material. Yeah,

20:10

and I wasn't even that, but

20:12

I think I really liked school.

20:14

So I'm like, oh, maybe I wanna be a

20:16

professor or something. I got

20:19

stuck in that instead of actually doing

20:21

the work for what

20:23

the dream job is. So I

20:25

think that's really cool that you're there, but

20:28

you're making shit happen for yourself. I

20:31

was trying to make moves, girl. And it's

20:33

so funny because it's so different from my

20:35

sisters. I have two sisters

20:37

that graduated from UPenn. One

20:39

of them graduated from Wharton. She's going

20:41

to law school. She's big news.

20:43

And I'm so supportive of that. Yes,

20:47

love that for you. It wasn't for

20:49

me. So my parents got that.

20:51

They got their scholar, dream child, but

20:56

they're a dream child in a different way. And

20:59

I'm very proud of the things

21:01

that I've done and the way that I've been

21:03

able to pave the way for my sisters

21:05

in a way of like, you can

21:07

change your mind whenever you want. If

21:09

you don't love it, change your mind,

21:11

try something new. Like that's what your

21:13

youth is for. Like you're supposed to do

21:15

those things. You're supposed to make the mistakes, try

21:17

again, have fun,

21:20

enjoy yourself, but like figure

21:23

out what you wanna do. And

21:25

I did that. And I'm glad that

21:27

I was able to accomplish that on

21:29

the earlier side and actually

21:31

start making the moves. And I think

21:34

probably a lot of what being Miss Teen

21:36

USA taught me is like how to make those moves

21:38

and how to make those connections happen. So

21:41

that's what I was doing. I

21:44

love that your mom was so supportive and that

21:47

I think because you got that support, you

21:49

could also, I think probably your sister

21:52

saw that and that you were able to

21:54

give that to them. It's just like a

21:56

cycle of like competence, basically, to do what...

22:00

You're meant to do. And I think for

22:02

me, I changed my major like so many

22:04

times. Because I just, I didn't know what

22:06

I wanted to be. I'm like, I'm just

22:08

supposed to like do something big. I just

22:10

don't know what. But yeah, it's like

22:13

you don't figure out what you want to do with

22:15

your life the day that they ask you to like

22:17

pick a major. No. I think it's weird that they

22:19

make you pick. Yeah. And that you felt the pressure

22:21

even like I felt bad about changing. Mm hmm. You're

22:25

19. Yeah. I

22:27

changed even now. I don't sometimes know what I

22:29

want to do. I'm still figuring out. But that's

22:31

part of life. Yeah, that's what

22:34

it's supposed to be. Like I like what I'm doing right now.

22:36

Yeah. Who knows if I'll do it forever. Yeah. Like

22:38

tomorrow. I might change. Something

22:41

might come up. I'm open. I'm open to

22:43

the possibility of what

22:45

comes away. But I'm also I know that I'm

22:48

privileged and very I

22:50

got lucky in a lot of ways too. Yeah.

22:52

We all have. We did. We all have that.

22:54

I want to know how you became the co-host

22:56

of Catfish though. Because that show is

22:58

huge. And yeah, I

23:01

feel like it's one of those shows that

23:03

Adam and I watch when we just need

23:05

to feel like there are people that are

23:07

going through worse than worse

23:09

than we are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

23:12

mean, honestly, back to like being lucky. I

23:14

feel like that was it. I mean, I definitely

23:17

I will say you don't know

23:19

who's watching you. You don't know who's

23:21

paying attention. Like while you're just plugging away,

23:23

like you don't know who's paying attention. So I

23:27

was hosting on local news

23:29

stations around the tri-state area. I would

23:31

literally wake up at like 4 a.m. pack

23:35

suitcases full of like best

23:37

Mother's Day gifts to give, you know, for

23:39

the mom who loves cozy stuff or like

23:42

fall items that you need or

23:44

beauty items that don't

23:47

break the bank, like whatever. And I

23:49

would drive two and a half hours to New

23:51

Haven, Connecticut from Manhattan, do

23:53

like a five minute segment

23:56

on a local news station, sleep

23:58

in the parking lot. drive back to

24:01

Manhattan and like prepare to

24:03

do it all again another time and like

24:05

keep pitching to other networks to see who

24:07

I could come on and do like lifestyle segments

24:09

with. And I'm posting

24:11

all of this obviously. And

24:13

I wasn't getting paid. Like I was actually spending money

24:15

to do these things because I didn't have

24:18

a car. I was just renting cars and

24:20

like going to New Haven, Connecticut. And

24:24

as I'm posting all these things, I'm not

24:27

realizing who's following me or who's watching

24:29

because news flash all if you're trying

24:31

to get into the business, big

24:33

producers don't have I'm a big

24:35

producer in their Instagram bio. They

24:38

have a picture of their cat as like

24:40

their profile picture and their bio says

24:43

live, laugh, laugh like you don't know who's following

24:46

you. You don't know who these people are. And

24:49

apparently some people at MTV were following

24:51

me and someone

24:54

at casting at Catfish was also

24:56

following me who's also a pageant

24:58

girl. And she ended up

25:00

just emailing me and she was like,

25:02

hey, we are recording

25:04

new episodes of Catfish and

25:07

we're just like testing out guest hosts would

25:09

love to have you come on and do two episodes

25:11

with us if you're interested. And I

25:13

was like, okay,

25:16

this sounds like a human trafficking scheme. I

25:20

don't have anything else going on right now

25:23

that I'm like super passionate about. Let's

25:26

do it. Like why not? And this

25:28

actually happened to be the same week that I

25:30

was planning on moving from New York

25:33

to LA, which was

25:35

the scariest move of my entire life. But I

25:37

felt like I had to do it because things

25:39

in New York just weren't picking up the way

25:41

that I wanted. And I was like, I'm

25:44

either going to stop

25:47

this and like get a nine to

25:49

five or I'm going to move to LA. And

25:52

I was like, when in my life am I

25:54

ever going to have this opportunity? Like I need

25:56

to just go to LA and see what it's

25:58

what it's like. But being a pageant. girl, you

26:00

know, every pageant bitch lives in

26:02

LA. I was like, and everybody wants

26:04

to be on TV. Everybody wants to be where we're

26:07

doing. So I'm like, I'm

26:10

just gonna be everybody else. And that

26:12

terrified me, but I was like, I

26:14

have to try. Like the

26:16

little, the delusion that I

26:18

had ounces of once had diluted

26:21

down to like a

26:23

sprinkle of delusion. Like

26:25

how I like my mimosas, like champagne with like

26:28

a splash of orange juice, that was how much

26:30

delusion I had left. Yes. And

26:32

I was like, I just

26:34

have to go for it. That same week

26:36

I got that email and I saw that

26:39

the offices of the production company that put

26:41

on Catfish were in LA. And

26:43

so I was like, it's a sign, even though, I

26:46

mean, LA is so big, but like they were in Burbank.

26:48

So I was like, okay, well, if

26:51

I'm in LA, then I'll be closer to them

26:53

and that'll be great. Which is actually true. I

26:55

mean, that probably did help you a lot because

26:58

it is better in

27:00

this, to be where

27:02

the action is. I

27:04

think sometimes especially starting out. Yeah, for sure.

27:06

I mean, especially because like they only asked

27:09

me to do two episodes, but at the

27:11

time my goal was to be on E!

27:13

News. Just like every other pageant girl in Los

27:15

Angeles. I'm so unique. I

27:19

wanted to be on E! more than anything. Like

27:21

Julian Orancic was like my idol at the time.

27:23

And she was a pageant girl. She

27:25

competed in, she competed for Ms. Marilyn

27:27

T. USA. I didn't know that. Yes,

27:29

girl, everybody, everyone that you love on

27:31

TV, Vanessa Lachey, everyone

27:34

has done this. And

27:36

so I was like, okay, this is what I need to do. I

27:39

need to move to LA. This is how I'm gonna do it. Oh

27:41

great, catfishes there too. Like when I

27:44

get to LA, I'm auditioning for E! Delusional,

27:46

because I didn't have an audition. How

27:49

did you get the audition for

27:51

E? Girl, I was

27:54

like, I don't care if I have

27:56

to get Julianna's coffee every day for

27:58

a year. I will do

28:00

whatever it takes to get into the building. And

28:03

I didn't know how that was gonna come to

28:05

me, but I just have always had this feeling

28:07

like whatever I'm supposed to have is going to

28:10

come my way. It's not gonna miss me. And

28:12

so I just, I decided

28:15

to make the move. Best

28:17

decision I've ever made in my life. Hardest decision,

28:19

because I'm so far from my family and like

28:21

it was so out of my comfort zone, but

28:23

best decision I could have ever made. I

28:26

came to LA right after

28:28

filming the first episode of Catfish that I

28:30

ever did, which was in Iowa City. And

28:34

immediately when I filmed it, I was like, this is what

28:36

I'm meant to do. Like this is what I'm supposed to

28:38

be doing. And they asked me to come back

28:40

to do the second one. I did the second one and they were like,

28:42

do you wanna do two more? I was like, yes. And they were like,

28:44

do you wanna do two more? I was like, yes. And

28:46

then Niamh called me and was like, so

28:49

do you wanna

28:51

be my co-host? Mind you, this is

28:53

after I did get the audition

28:55

with E. You're kidding. No, I got it.

28:58

I got it. So what did you do? And

29:00

I had actually booked a part on a show that

29:03

was gonna come out. It

29:05

didn't end up coming out. And

29:08

right around that time was when I got the

29:10

offer about being Catfish's full-time

29:13

host. And I was like,

29:15

well, this is obviously what I meant to do. Like

29:18

E was still asking me about doing things and they were like,

29:20

how did you get in the door to E? Did

29:23

you get the coffee? That was a different story. That

29:27

I ended up doing a, it

29:30

was kind of like a workshop for black

29:33

and brown hosts that was put

29:35

on by NBC Universal by their diversity department.

29:38

And the two top people at

29:40

this workshop were gonna be sent

29:42

to the American Black

29:45

Film Festival in Miami to

29:47

host some red carpets down there on

29:49

behalf of ABSF. And

29:51

I was one of them. Of course. Girl,

29:55

I was going for everything. Anything that I

29:57

could find, anything that I saw, I was like,

29:59

I, this is. yes, submit me like

30:02

people would be like, oh, could you come do a

30:04

segment about such and such? I'd be like, yes, without

30:06

even knowing what it is. I don't

30:08

have the I don't have anything. But I'm

30:10

I would always say yes. And

30:13

I would figure it out later. So I

30:16

went, I did that. And

30:18

after doing the

30:20

red carpet interviews and things, they

30:23

were like, we would like to have you come back

30:25

to LA and audition for

30:27

some things within the NBC family.

30:30

I was like, oh my god, that would be

30:32

amazing. My dream is to be on E! And

30:34

they had me come on. And even though I

30:36

didn't end up doing that show that I

30:38

got booked for, I did end up

30:40

doing Daily Pop a few times, which was

30:43

amazing. And it like, finally

30:45

gave me something to put into

30:47

my reel that was substantial. And

30:50

at the same time, I was doing those six

30:52

episodes of catfish that they asked me to do as

30:54

like a trial run. And I was

30:56

able to put that in my reel. So I was

30:58

like, okay, if none of this pans out, at least

31:00

I have a really great reel. But

31:03

then these asked me about being the full

31:05

time co host. And I was like, of course,

31:07

I'm your full time co host. Like, looking

31:11

at other contenders. Yes,

31:14

this is my job. And

31:16

that was it. And since then,

31:19

we've done over 100 episodes. I

31:23

love your story because some people just think

31:25

and like, for me, my

31:28

life was it's just weird. I'm

31:30

like, I don't know, I just

31:32

was a mess on TV. And

31:34

that was entertaining. But you

31:37

had I love it.

31:39

Just like I just said

31:41

yes, you have to run

31:43

through the doors, break them open and

31:45

you have to. And I'm sure

31:48

you felt uncomfortable sometimes. You just did

31:50

it anyway. 1000% I literally the first

31:52

day that I came to eat a

31:54

do daily pop, I cried

31:57

in the parking lot because I was so happy

31:59

but I was so I was so excited that I thought I

32:01

was gonna fuck it up. I was like, oh my

32:03

God, my adrenaline

32:05

is beating through my chest. It was

32:07

the same feeling I had the first day

32:09

that we filmed Catfish and I met Niamh

32:11

because we met on camera and started filming

32:14

the second I met him. Oh my gosh. And

32:17

I was so, I guess

32:19

it hadn't hit me yet that I was so

32:21

kinda like, hmm, hmm, hmm. And

32:23

as soon as he walked in the door, I was

32:26

like, holy shit, this is real. And my adrenaline started

32:28

kicking up again and I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna

32:30

fuck this up. And then I

32:33

didn't. It's just

32:35

like you get these overwhelming

32:37

feelings, but you have

32:39

to just kind of roll with it and just

32:41

let it play out. I can't even imagine how

32:43

you felt the first day of

32:45

filming The Bachelorette. Oh,

32:48

I didn't really know what was happening, same. I

32:51

just, I was so, I also, the how my

32:53

brain works, I couldn't get over that there was

32:55

a camera in my nose. I

32:59

couldn't have kept it cool. I would be like, Dave,

33:02

what are we doing? Like I, that you turned

33:04

on that, I'm sure you had to like have

33:06

a flip a switch to be able to like

33:08

do the thing. I did not. I was like,

33:11

what are you doing over there? So I can't talk to you?

33:14

I'm supposed to pretend you're not here, but he's here. Why

33:16

are we not talking to the guy that has the camera?

33:19

The camera is in my nose. Look,

33:21

he's so close to me. And I'm supposed to pretend

33:23

like he's not here. I just, for

33:26

like three days, I fully couldn't understand.

33:28

I'm like, oh, okay. So

33:30

this is just, they're just following my

33:32

life. And even still,

33:34

I was really bad about that. I still made

33:37

all the cameramen talk to me. And that's

33:39

a good thing. You need to have them

33:41

on your side. For sure, for sure. But

33:43

I definitely

33:46

relate to that feeling of like anxiety

33:49

good or bad. Anxiety is not

33:51

always bad for you, but

33:53

I think it is cool that you

33:55

were able to obviously like

33:57

you said, ride the wave. Do

34:00

you have any tools, techniques

34:02

to do that or you just figured

34:04

it out? Breathing. I was just

34:06

like, breathe. Because I think before,

34:09

I think people have this misconception because I'm on

34:11

TV all the time that I don't get nervous.

34:14

Yes. I feel

34:16

like, you know

34:18

that feeling when you're about to go on a pageant

34:21

stage? I feel that every

34:23

time, not

34:25

with catfish anymore, but anytime

34:27

I start something new, if it's the first time,

34:30

I feel anxious. And

34:34

I don't know if it's anxiety in a

34:36

bad way, but it's anxiousness in like a,

34:38

I'm so excited. My

34:40

heart is gonna beat out of my chest and I'm

34:43

gonna fumble over my words and I'm like gonna burst

34:45

through the scene. So even when I filmed,

34:48

Are You The One? and X

34:50

on the Beach, they were in the same villa,

34:52

but like a month apart, but it was a

34:54

new show. It's a new cast. I'm a new

34:56

host. The first day of

34:59

shooting, Are You The One? I thought I was gonna

35:01

literally pass away because I was

35:03

so happy to be there. This

35:05

is my dream. I'm living my dream. And

35:07

sometimes you have those moments. Sometimes I have

35:09

them when I'm just like laying in the bed with like a

35:11

face mask on where I'm like, I'm

35:14

living my dream. I'm so happy. Sometimes

35:17

that feeling happens when I'm on camera and I'm

35:19

about to film the newest, biggest

35:22

opportunity of my life. Yeah. And

35:24

you have to just kind of regulate

35:26

and like remind yourself, like I'm

35:28

not new to this, I'm true to this. Like this is

35:31

what I do. This is

35:33

me stepping into what I

35:35

have always been bound to do. And

35:38

I'm getting to do it. Yes. I

35:40

love that. I definitely know what you're talking about.

35:43

And I struggle

35:46

with this sometimes. I'm like, I'm doing it. And then the

35:48

first thing that I'll think of, don't mess it up. Yeah.

35:51

Yes. It's like those intrusive thoughts.

35:53

I'm like, go away. Yeah. Yeah.

35:57

But you're doing it. I

36:00

know. As

36:02

I watch Catfish, if y'all have not watched Catfish,

36:05

where are you? Where are you? I was going to say,

36:07

where are you? It's been around for forever. But

36:10

these people fall in love

36:13

over the internet, but

36:15

it turns out it's not the person,

36:17

one of the people is not who they say

36:19

they are. Nine times that too. Yeah.

36:23

Are you shocked by

36:26

how much this

36:28

actually happens? I

36:31

think I was pre-pandemic, post-pandemic, not

36:33

at all. Like, I think the

36:36

pandemic made things worse. Really?

36:38

Yeah. And now we have like AI

36:40

and like the way that photoshopping has

36:43

advanced. Like there's so many

36:46

opportunities to deceive people and people

36:48

are so craving

36:51

love and attention

36:53

and affection that

36:55

like sometimes it doesn't matter

36:57

where it's coming from. And you

36:59

know, we've had a lot of people

37:01

recently, even just yesterday,

37:04

I was in Birmingham, Alabama actually

37:06

filming an episode. I saw that. Yes.

37:08

I can't wait. Is it a good one? It was

37:10

good. But the person that

37:12

we're helping, like we asked them

37:14

like, okay, so you know, because we

37:17

never know what's going to happen. Niamh and I are

37:19

completely in the dark. We have no clue how it's

37:21

going to turn out. And

37:23

we're pulling up to where we're hopefully going

37:26

to meet this person that they've been talking

37:28

to. And we always ask them like, okay,

37:30

what are your deal breakers? Like if they're

37:32

not the person in the pictures, does

37:35

that affect how you feel about them? Because

37:37

you built this emotional connection. But even

37:40

without ever FaceTiming or meeting

37:42

up in person, you

37:44

still have an idea in your head of somebody

37:47

just by hearing their voice or texting them

37:50

like you're imagining the person that

37:52

you think you're talking to. So

37:54

we always ask them like, if they're not the

37:56

person in the pictures, does that matter to you?

37:58

Is that a deal breaker? And more times

38:00

recently than not, people will be like,

38:02

no, it's not. Like,

38:05

I don't care what they look like. I

38:07

don't care who they are. Like, I feel

38:09

so strongly about this person. It

38:12

doesn't matter to me. And then, of course, sometimes they

38:14

meet up and then they change their mind. They're like,

38:16

oh, nevermind. Yeah. But don't you

38:18

feel like the idea of catfishing

38:20

people shows how insecure

38:24

we are about the love that we deserve

38:26

and the love that we

38:28

can get, that we have to create

38:30

this whole identity? And then as the

38:32

person who has been catfished, I

38:36

don't know. I just don't understand how

38:38

that would be okay for some people.

38:40

Yeah. I mean, everyone's threshold

38:42

is different. I've come to realize, because the

38:44

things where I'm like, absolutely not. Like, hell

38:47

no, would I ever accept this. Other

38:49

people are like, that's not a big deal to me. And

38:53

I always relate it to

38:55

like in-person relationships. We have

38:57

relationships. I've had relationships

38:59

where I'm like, even when I look at

39:01

the past thing that I've dealt with

39:03

with this person, I'm like, I put up with

39:05

that. I dealt with that. This is the person

39:07

that this person ended up becoming. Like, I'm

39:11

a Scorpio, so I am just skeptical

39:13

of everyone always. So I'm like, you can't

39:15

trust anybody. Like, you really don't know anybody.

39:18

You don't know that anything that I've told

39:20

you for the past 45 minutes is true.

39:22

I could have made all this shit up.

39:24

You have no idea. People

39:26

are crazy, Hannah. This

39:28

is what I'm saying. So

39:31

when it comes to these situations,

39:33

like obviously in a lot of

39:36

cases, there are insecurities at play while

39:38

people make these profiles. Sometimes it's for

39:40

revenge, whether it's on the person that,

39:42

you know, they're talking to that we're

39:45

helping to find them. Or

39:47

if it's somebody from the past where they're like, I

39:49

started this profile because I wanted to snoop on my

39:51

ex. They'll be like, oh, I started

39:53

this profile because that's what I was doing. It

39:55

was like a Finster. And then I ended up

39:58

coming across this profile and just... I

40:00

didn't know how to stop it. Like I started talking

40:02

to them, I didn't know. It

40:05

kind of spun out of control. And we

40:07

get that a lot. Or we get people who are

40:09

like, I did go on the

40:12

dating profile using my pictures, and I

40:14

did try to get people to match

40:17

with me, and it never worked. And I

40:19

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40:21

person's picture, like let me just see

40:23

if trying Hannah Brown's picture

40:25

will get me matches.

40:28

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40:30

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you're I would say you're an expert at this point at

43:54

dating so I'm going to ask you just a few questions.

43:56

Yes. people

44:00

that are listening and like, okay, I need some

44:02

dating advice. What are

44:04

common mistakes you think people are

44:06

making when they are dating? Comparison,

44:13

they say comparison is the thief of joy. It's not just

44:15

about you. Comparing your last

44:17

relationship to this new person is

44:20

dangerous and we're all guilty

44:22

of it. We all do it. You

44:25

have no choice but to. You can only compare.

44:28

You have no choice but to compare. Everybody does

44:30

it. But thinking that

44:32

this new person is gonna treat you the

44:34

way that the last three people

44:37

did is unfair to them and

44:39

it's unfair to you because you're not actually getting to

44:41

know them. You're projecting onto them

44:44

something that you've gotten from the past. So I

44:46

think that's number one. Big

44:49

mistake. Like you can't, I

44:51

hate when girls say, oh,

44:54

men are the same. Yes.

44:57

Because they're all stupid. We know that. Sorry.

45:00

They need our help. They need our help. They need

45:03

our help. They need our help.

45:05

But at the same time,

45:07

they're not all the same. Not every

45:09

man is gonna hurt you. Not every man is

45:12

emotionally abusive. Not every man is a user.

45:15

You can find your person and

45:17

the next thing that I

45:19

would say that people are doing wrong

45:21

is manifesting the wrong things. You

45:24

need to manifest what you actually want out of

45:26

a relationship. If you keep saying, all men are trash,

45:29

no man is ever gonna do this for

45:31

me. I'm never gonna have the relationship that

45:33

these people on Instagram that I follow have.

45:37

No, you're not. You're not. Because

45:41

that's what you're putting out there. Putting out

45:43

there. So maybe say the other

45:45

thing. Yeah,

45:47

change the way that you're speaking

45:49

about what you want to come

45:51

into your life and what you deserve. Because

45:53

you don't deserve a trash man. But you're

45:55

gonna, because you want a man. So

45:58

the man that you want is going to. treat

46:01

you with respect. Yes. There can be

46:03

other men that are trash but my

46:05

man is gonna respect me.

46:08

Yeah. I feel like

46:10

you also could have a hot take on getting

46:13

back together with an ex or

46:15

someone that you're thinking about

46:17

giving a second chance. Is that a yes?

46:20

No? No go? I am not

46:22

inclined to give second chances personally

46:24

but I also know people who

46:26

it's worked out for them so

46:28

I know a couple

46:31

who are married now they dated in

46:33

college they broke up she got

46:36

engaged to somebody else he was in

46:38

another relationship time had passed her

46:41

relationship ended his relationship ended they

46:43

ended up connecting back together and now they're

46:45

married and they have like two kids and

46:48

they're very happy so I think that there

46:50

is something to like space and growth but

46:53

I don't know

46:56

that I can give a second chance to somebody

46:58

who has hurt me really badly in the past

47:01

it would have to end on good terms for

47:03

us to pick it back up. Yeah. I agree.

47:06

I've given second chances it doesn't work.

47:12

That's true too. Yeah. I think I

47:15

all for me I feel like I

47:17

have romanticized

47:20

a second chance that this person is

47:22

going to fully change I think you

47:24

have to remember there's a reason why

47:26

you broke up there's a reason why

47:29

you broke up. Yeah. And

47:32

I think in the past I always

47:34

wanted to hold on to like the

47:36

good things instead of reminding myself of

47:39

how they actually made me feel in times

47:41

that it doesn't have

47:43

to be that way. Yeah. And I've learned

47:45

that finally. What advice do you have for

47:47

someone who feels behind

47:49

when it comes to being in a

47:51

relationship especially if they had to end

47:54

a long-term relationship because it ended up

47:56

not being right. I was

47:59

just talking about this on Twitter, which is

48:01

now called X, or Twitter. I

48:04

was talking about this on Twitter the other day, and someone

48:08

wrote to me the most

48:11

accurate thing. They said, it's

48:13

always the person after the person that

48:15

you thought was the one that ends up being

48:17

the one. And it's

48:20

so real. You

48:22

just have to know whatever

48:24

happened in that long-term relationship prepared

48:27

you for the person

48:29

of your dreams. The person that is

48:31

coming to you is going to be

48:34

everything that person was and more. All

48:37

the things that they weren't, all the things that

48:39

you wanted that they couldn't give you, the next

48:42

person is going to do those things for you

48:44

if you've done the work. It doesn't just come

48:46

to you. You have to actually put

48:48

some things in place and put your big

48:50

girl panties on and get your life together.

48:53

But all of those

48:55

things are there. I think we

48:58

have this scarcity complex of there's no more

49:00

good men out there. That

49:03

is the bad manifestation that we're talking about.

49:08

This is what I did. Make

49:10

a list. Open up your Notes app.

49:12

Get your journal out. Make a list of all

49:14

the things that you want to find you in

49:17

a partner. I

49:20

have to say, I made my list. I

49:22

poured up a glass of wine, wrote down

49:25

everything. If you want for him to have a

49:27

dog, put it on the list. If you want

49:29

for him to rub your feet at night, put it on the

49:31

list. If you want for

49:33

him to be a provider, put that on the list.

49:36

Everything that you want and

49:38

watch it come to you. But

49:40

know that it's there. It's out

49:42

there. It's coming to you. You

49:46

will attract it because that is what you

49:48

want and you're so clear on your vision

49:50

of what that looks like. There's

49:52

something to it. I don't know what it is, but

49:55

it's out there. It's some witchy shit. Put

49:58

your witch hat on. I'll

50:03

grab the broom. Yeah. Yeah.

50:06

Bear. I did that as well. I

50:08

wrote out a list and

50:11

I do think that's really important because it

50:13

reminds you of what your standards are. What

50:15

are your non-negotiables? What are the

50:18

things that you really would like to have?

50:20

But I think you should put the things that

50:22

you... It would

50:24

be great if he is a bazillionaire.

50:27

Yeah. If he's not. That's

50:29

okay. You be the bazillionaire girl. Yeah. I

50:32

really... I think

50:34

there is something to that

50:36

because yeah, you're putting it out into the world.

50:39

There are so many girls I'll be like talking to them

50:41

and I'm like, do you know what you... Like, what do you want?

50:43

Like, have you written it down? And they'll say no. I'm

50:45

like, what? No. Write it

50:47

down and be so intentional about it. I

50:50

didn't put on my list, he has to be

50:52

rich. I put he has to be generous because

50:56

somebody who's rich and somebody who's generous are too completely

50:58

different things. You could have a man who's making billions

51:00

of dollars and he doesn't want to spend one red

51:02

cent on your ass. So

51:04

make sure that you put that he is generous.

51:06

You're like, I'm telling you.

51:08

I'm telling you. I have experienced

51:11

it. Put generous and

51:13

put financially responsible. Put

51:15

that you want someone who's a leader. That's

51:17

what I put on my list. Like I was tired

51:20

of leading relationships. I didn't want to

51:22

have to steer the boat anymore. Like tell me

51:24

where we're going and I'll tell you if I'm

51:26

coming. That's what I put. Yes.

51:29

Very, very clear. And when you

51:31

start dating and you start getting to know people, will

51:34

this person check off every single thing on your

51:36

list? No. If you

51:39

put bullshit on your list, like if you put

51:41

he has to be 6'4 and you meet a

51:43

guy and he's 6'3, oh, he

51:45

doesn't make the list. No, you're an idiot. Yeah.

51:47

Take that off. If you want him to be, if

51:50

you want to be attracted to him, like wildly attracted to him,

51:52

put that on the list. If you would like

51:54

for him to be tall, sure.

51:57

Put that on the list. you

52:00

put that on the list. That's really important.

52:02

Yes. But if he's got brown eyes and

52:04

the guy you're dating has green eyes and

52:06

now it's like, oh, well, I want him

52:08

to have brown eyes. It's keeping him though

52:10

because Cami and Hina said that everything on

52:12

the list. No, come on. No, be

52:14

for real, please. Be for

52:17

real when you're writing it, but be intentional about

52:19

what you're putting down and start paying

52:21

attention because when I started realizing guys

52:24

that I was like interested in or wanted

52:26

to hang out with and like was so

52:28

desperate for their attention, it's like they're not

52:30

even on the list.

52:32

Like you're not even, you are not

52:34

even close to being up

52:37

to standard. This is the standard baby. You

52:40

don't meet it like this is not my

52:42

husband, not the person moving on. It

52:45

makes things, it makes it a lot easier for

52:47

you to be able to realize what's

52:50

actually in front of you when you have a list. I

52:53

agree. Do you think you found

52:55

the one, Cami? Yes. Oh

52:58

my gosh. I am so madly

53:01

in love with this man. Every

53:04

time I think about it, I want

53:06

to cry because he is just,

53:09

he's the best. And like I

53:11

was telling that to somebody recently, the hairdresser

53:14

actually, I was like, he's just

53:16

the best. And she was like, damn, I haven't

53:18

felt like a man is the best in a long time. She's

53:20

like, I don't think I've ever felt that ever. I'm like, neither

53:22

have I. That's how I know.

53:24

He's the one. He's the one.

53:26

He's the best. Did you know immediately though?

53:29

Yes. You did? Yes. He,

53:32

yes. He doesn't know that I knew

53:34

immediately, even though I say it all the time, he

53:36

thinks that I'm just like being my crazy self, but

53:38

I knew immediately. The feeling that I got when

53:40

I met him for the first time is a

53:42

feeling that I've never felt before in my entire

53:44

life. I literally felt like the

53:47

universe had like rushed towards me with like a gust

53:49

of wind that was going to blow me

53:51

over. Oh my

53:53

God. Like I was, I was at

53:56

a loss for words. Like he took my

53:58

breath away. I've never had that before. But

54:00

it was more than just he's beautiful. He's a

54:02

beautiful man, but it was more than that

54:04

It was just like his energy. I felt

54:07

so attracted to his energy and You

54:11

know not to say that things were perfect because

54:13

we started dating Right before

54:15

I left to film those two shows. That's

54:17

hard for two months in Spain. I was

54:19

I was away I didn't think we'd make

54:21

it girl. I was like oh he was

54:23

getting on my nerves But

54:26

you know what they all get on your nerves Yes, you have to be

54:28

with the one who gets on your nerves a little bit less than

54:30

the others. What makes him different? he

54:33

is so

54:36

Compassionate he's so understanding he cares

54:39

to know What's

54:41

on my mind like and he just

54:43

can feel it when something's on my

54:46

mind. He doesn't ignore it. You know

54:48

some men will like They'll know

54:50

you're in a mood or something's happening and doesn't

54:52

have to do anything with them But they just

54:54

don't they're just not in tune. They don't ask

54:56

they don't ask they're not in tune you say

54:58

you're fine. They're like, okay He's

55:01

not like that and he's but he's not gonna

55:04

pry he gives me my space one

55:06

of the things that I had on my list was that I needed

55:08

to be with someone who Would hold

55:10

me when I want to be held and knows when I

55:13

need to be left alone And he

55:15

is that person 1000% he just Adores

55:19

me he's so doting. He's so

55:21

respectful my family Loves him

55:24

my mom's obsessed with him. That's

55:26

rare. She's never been obsessed with it Ever

55:29

dated so like that's different

55:33

I think what makes him the most different is that

55:36

I realized that in my past

55:38

relationships I never actually saw

55:40

a future with the people

55:42

that I was dating I was just in so

55:44

many long-term relationships that I thought well

55:46

if I've been dating you for this long like of course We're

55:49

supposed to get married or like of course. We're

55:51

supposed to take this to the next level.

55:53

I Can

55:55

see the future so clearly with

55:57

him. I knock

56:00

on wood, because I'm not trying to do it right now, but I want

56:02

to have all his babies. I just want to like, I just

56:05

want to, I want to be with him all the time.

56:07

I've never been that person, because I love being by myself.

56:10

Not anymore, I just want to be with him all the

56:12

time and have all his babies. Not

56:14

right now. Not right now. Not right

56:17

now. Not right now, please. I'm a

56:19

very powerful man of that sort. But

56:22

that, that to me is like, I've

56:24

never, never seen that in my

56:26

life, ever, with anybody. I've

56:29

just been like, oh, like, just kind

56:31

of going with the flow of like, what things are supposed

56:33

to look like, quote unquote. But

56:35

my therapist is like, she stopped me

56:38

for a while when I would say like,

56:40

oh, I was supposed to do this, or I was supposed to

56:42

have this, or we were supposed to have done this. And she

56:44

would be like, what is this supposed to? Who

56:46

said that? Who said you were

56:48

supposed to have done anything? What

56:51

you're supposed to be doing is what you're doing right now. And

56:54

that, I think that, that's the biggest

56:56

difference. I just realized that everything

56:59

that I thought is

57:02

just not, that, that it just wasn't,

57:04

it's not what love actually looks like. Like,

57:07

love looks like exactly what it is that I

57:09

have now. We have so much

57:11

fun. And you're so cute. Oh.

57:15

I am so happy for you.

57:17

And I feel like I've gone the same journey

57:19

as well. And I think a lot

57:22

of people listening, I need,

57:26

first of all, if you don't have your pen and paper

57:28

out right now, I don't even know what you're doing. Because

57:31

you deserve it all. Like,

57:36

you can have it. Yes. I

57:39

think it's so easy to settle, especially

57:42

when you think you're on a time clock. And

57:45

oh my gosh, I'm 30, and

57:47

I've been with this guy, but

57:49

I don't know if I see it, but

57:51

I think it's too late. No. No.

57:55

No. And so I just

57:57

love people that they get to hear your

57:59

story. And. just the How

58:04

how you feel right now and that

58:07

you You brought

58:09

that into your life. Yes. It's so crazy

58:11

how much power we actually have what is

58:13

another goal? the

58:15

next thing That you

58:18

are believing is for you. I

58:20

believe I know I obviously thought about this

58:24

extensively I Believe

58:26

that I am going to be the person one

58:28

day that when you walk into Target You will

58:30

see me in every section. So I want to

58:32

have a section in the baby section I want to

58:35

have a section in the home section. I want to have

58:37

a beauty section. I want to have Everything

58:40

I want to be that girl.

58:42

It's like oh shit. Kimmy's got pots and pans.

58:44

Yeah, I do. Yeah Kimmy's got

58:46

pampers. Yeah, I do like that.

58:48

That's the next goal that I see That's

58:51

what I manifesting. I think it'll

58:53

happen. Yes an engagement. Oh,

58:56

it's a mistake Thank

58:58

you so much. I appreciate you kami and

59:00

I'm so excited to see all

59:03

the things that come into fruition that are

59:05

meant For you. Thank

59:07

you for having me Thank you guys

59:09

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59:12

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