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1:40

Hello, and welcome back to another episode

1:42

of Beyond the To-Do List. I'm Eric

1:44

Fischer, and this is the podcast helping

1:47

you not just be more productive, but

1:49

find the real meaning of productivity, living

1:51

a meaningful life. This week,

1:53

I was excited to welcome back to the show, Dave

1:55

Delaney. He's no stranger to me. He's

1:58

a friend of mine, but also he's a digital. marketing,

2:00

social media strategy, keynote speaker

2:02

on business networking, also an

2:04

author, a veteran podcaster. In

2:06

fact, he's got a brand

2:08

new show called ADHD Wise

2:12

Squirrels, which is a great resource. It's

2:14

really taking off and that's why I

2:16

wanted to bring him back because I

2:18

knew he had this great new project.

2:20

And before we get into his adult

2:22

ADHD diagnosis, we talk briefly about his

2:24

sobriety journey that he started just before

2:26

the last time he was on the

2:28

show. We talk about the why and

2:30

the how of that and how he

2:32

has kept that going. And then we

2:34

jump into again his adult ADHD diagnosis

2:37

and then awareness that that brought

2:39

him and the first steps for

2:41

treatment that he's gone through and

2:43

honestly ongoing things he's learned in

2:46

his journey so far talking with

2:48

other experts on his ADHD Wise

2:50

Squirrels podcast. We also

2:52

talk about how ADHD manifests

2:54

differently for different people, the

2:56

connections it has with anxiety

2:58

and depression. And ultimately,

3:01

this conversation is about noticing

3:03

signs and giving you permission

3:05

to be okay with checking

3:07

if you or someone you know

3:10

is struggling with this but may

3:12

not know it. So let's get

3:14

into this conversation with Dave Delaney.

3:18

Well this week it is my privilege

3:20

to welcome back to the show Dave

3:23

Delaney. Dave, welcome back to Beyond the

3:25

To Do List. Thank you sir. It's

3:27

a pleasure to be back. It's great

3:29

to reconnect. Let's see. So you've

3:31

been on the show I don't know how many

3:33

times. I should probably start doing homework. No, I

3:36

know what I'm doing. I didn't think

3:38

to because it's like who cares if it's three or

3:40

four times. It's at least three or four times. And we

3:42

know each other for a very long time and you've been

3:44

on the show a number of times. We've talked about

3:46

a number of different topics, networking, multiple

3:48

times. And what's funny is that I

3:51

think the last time you were just

3:53

then starting to or barely had gone

3:55

sober during the pandemic

3:57

and then also we're talking talking

4:00

about distractions and things, irony in

4:02

some ways. So

4:04

people who have listened to the intros know

4:06

we're talking about ADHD today, but before

4:09

we go there, let's do a sobriety check.

4:11

Are you sober right now? No, I

4:14

know you are. It's dry January,

4:16

but also how is that going? Let's talk

4:18

about that again. Let's do a couple minute

4:20

quick revisit because I think it bleeds into

4:22

the ADHD journey. Yeah,

4:25

no, it totally does. Yes, I am

4:27

still sober. I quit

4:30

drinking for 30 days in

4:33

June of 2020 and

4:36

I discovered delicious

4:38

non-alcoholic beers and

4:40

I'm like, huh, well, these are pretty

4:43

good. So I started

4:45

drinking those when I would partake

4:48

with friends and then I kept

4:51

finding these good non-alcoholic beers. We

4:53

took a trip to Europe and

4:55

we were in Brussels. We were

4:57

in Belgium rather in Bruges and

5:00

I'm like, I'm just going to

5:02

stick with non-drinking, still not drinking

5:04

alcohol. So I drank the non-alcoholic

5:06

beers there, which were stellar, of

5:08

course. And then after that,

5:10

I'm like, well, now that I've been

5:12

to the place in the world that

5:15

has the best beer and I didn't

5:17

drink the beer, the regular beer, the

5:19

alcoholic beer, I'm like, well, what the

5:21

hell is the point of stuff? I'm

5:23

not going to start drinking again just

5:25

to drink some crappy beer here or

5:27

something, not to say, I mean, there's

5:30

plenty of good beers. So

5:32

yeah, 30 days became 60, became

5:35

90 and I just

5:37

celebrated like 1200 days. It'll

5:39

be four years this June.

5:42

Great. I'm glad to hear it.

5:45

And partly people that are listening

5:47

to this show regularly know I

5:49

had a recent episode with Jillian

5:51

Teeth's her brand is SoverPowered and

5:53

we talked about preparing for dry

5:55

January and her journey. And so I

5:57

thought, you know, we got to bring it up. I

6:00

mean, it's part of who you are in a

6:02

lot of ways. I really admire you making that

6:04

step at a time where I know I was

6:06

doing the opposite and

6:08

a lot of the world was too and

6:11

that you've stuck with it. And so, I

6:13

mean, have you found clarity? You know, you've

6:15

probably found some weight loss, obviously, well, to

6:17

a certain extent because you're still drinking non-alcoholic

6:19

and those still have calories, but the alcohol

6:21

has probably not weighed you down as much,

6:23

right? Oh, yeah, yeah.

6:26

I've definitely been able to feel

6:28

clear, sleep much better. Those

6:31

are probably the two main things. But then,

6:33

like, even, you know, as you know, as

6:35

we get older, like, you have one

6:38

too many beers or whatever that

6:40

you're drinking with friends and like,

6:42

man, I'm 50 now. Like, those

6:44

hangovers last like a frickin' week.

6:46

Like, my wife still drinks, but

6:48

not very often. And she's kind of a lightweight,

6:50

but she'll have like a vodka with friends. And

6:53

then the next, like, day, she's like, oh, why

6:55

did I do that? Like, what is wrong with

6:57

me? You know, so,

7:00

yeah, the lack of hangovers

7:02

certainly has been great. My

7:04

friends love me because

7:06

I'm always the designated driver now.

7:09

Love it. Yeah, you

7:11

know, I'm still waiting for

7:13

some non-alcoholic brewery to be

7:15

like, Dave, influencer, let's

7:18

go. Because, yeah, God knows

7:20

I preach a lot about all the

7:22

wonderful brands of non-alcoholic beers. So,

7:24

I'm really looking forward to the next time. It's

7:26

been way too long. I can't remember when it

7:28

was. Honestly, I think it was pre-pandemic since I've

7:31

been. I think it was 2019, late 2019, that

7:33

I was down in Nashville area where

7:35

you are. So we haven't had the chance

7:37

to go have a non-alcoholic drink together. So

7:40

I'm looking forward to that at some point here soon this

7:42

year. Let's do it this year. I

7:44

will make it happen. So, I am on

7:46

board. But I can't help but think that

7:48

you going through that step first allowed you

7:50

to think, even in a subconscious level, something

7:53

about some of your other thought

7:55

patterns, tendencies, etc. Do

7:57

you think that played a part in... Starting

8:00

to inch towards not just from

8:02

maybe your wife and maybe your

8:04

own internal subconscious when it came

8:06

to ADHD Let's talk about

8:08

how you discovered slash decided to you

8:11

know What was your journey like pre

8:13

and then what was the catalyst moment

8:15

if you can remember it, you know

8:17

super clearly or whatever But when

8:19

it comes to your ADHD, okay, I'm gonna

8:21

get tested. I'm gonna get diagnosed Yeah,

8:24

great question So and actually this

8:26

would be the moment when I

8:29

shamelessly plug ADHD wise Squirrels,

8:32

which is of course being a

8:34

veteran podcaster and an ADHD or

8:36

I'm like Oh, I need

8:39

to start a podcast and share my

8:41

journey in my story and and also

8:43

interview experts and and you know High

8:45

achievers with ADHD on the show. So

8:47

yeah, obviously I jumped at the opportunity

8:49

to do that and it's been fantastic

8:52

So to go back to your question was

8:58

Not the year that I was

9:00

diagnosed, but it was just such

9:02

a big year of stress both

9:06

from Just the political climate

9:08

I mean, obviously it was just kind

9:10

of a terrible time then with you

9:12

know Police violence and

9:14

and you know black lives matter

9:17

all of these lots of factors

9:19

Yeah, I mean the pandemic itself that's the

9:22

ones you just mentioned and at

9:24

that point we didn't know We had

9:26

no thoughts or inklings of any kind

9:28

of vaccine anytime soon. So right right

9:30

totally get it So my year started

9:32

January 2020, you know things were looking

9:34

really great. I do a lot of

9:37

presentations as a keynote speaker And so

9:39

things were going really well and I

9:41

was working with Google as a speaker

9:44

for Google for five years So January

9:46

was great February was like

9:48

hmm. What's going on here? I started hearing

9:50

rumblings about kovat March 2020 the world shut down

9:55

but in addition to all the stress and

9:58

Things that were going on And at that time,

10:01

I decided to make a few different changes.

10:03

One of them was that my wife and

10:05

I decided to start seeing a virtual fitness

10:07

coach because we knew we

10:09

needed to be exercising more, in part

10:11

to build our immune systems and just

10:13

to make sure that we were making

10:15

health choices. But then in March

10:17

of 2020, a tornado blew

10:20

through Nashville and destroyed my kids'

10:22

school and, you know, a friend's

10:24

house. It was just

10:26

an extremely, you know, add that to the

10:28

stress. Fast forward from March

10:30

2020 to May 2020, we get another storm. It's

10:35

a derecho, which is a straight line wind

10:37

storm, you know, 70 mile an hour winds.

10:39

And that one kicked us out of our

10:41

house. We had to move out of our

10:43

house for three months because we lost seven

10:45

trees. We had 10 holes in our roof,

10:48

a branch like shish kabob, my roof

10:50

and attic right in my living room.

10:53

So then my job

10:55

was as a speaker, not

10:57

speaking a lot because not a

10:59

lot of opportunities to go and speak

11:01

places. So my business was

11:04

in a rough way. So I

11:06

had a lot of stress with

11:08

that plus this kid's school plus

11:10

the pandemic plus now dealing with

11:12

the insurance and contractors. And

11:14

that was a nightmare. And so three months of

11:16

living out of our house and dealing with that.

11:18

I say all that because at that time I

11:20

started drinking a little too much and I was

11:22

like, okay, I need to take 30 days off.

11:25

And that's when we got to that June of

11:27

2020. This

11:29

is a long winded way of answering your question, but I

11:31

swear I'm landing the plane now. Fast

11:34

forward to 2023. Last year

11:36

I joined a mastermind with two friends

11:39

and one I know very well. The

11:41

other I didn't know. And

11:43

we, you know, we started meeting weekly

11:45

to discuss our businesses and the

11:48

one I didn't know very well, sends me a text out of

11:50

the blue one day and says, dude, do you have ADHD? And

11:53

I said, no. And he said, I think

11:55

you do. And

11:58

you need to go see your doctor. and

12:00

he has ADHD, so he saw it in me.

12:03

And I was like, okay, so I

12:05

went to see my doctor and

12:07

there's a longer version of this story, but

12:09

the short version, I'm happy to share that too, but

12:12

the short version is he diagnosed

12:14

me with ADHD then. That's

12:17

kind of how I got to this point. The

12:19

longer version is actually I was, I

12:22

saw a psychologist

12:24

in 2016 who

12:27

apparently diagnosed me with ADHD, but

12:30

for some reason I

12:32

did not get the memo. And so when I

12:34

saw my doctor last year, he looked

12:37

at my charts and he was like, oh, I

12:39

mean I did some questionnaires and things with him.

12:42

And then he looked up my charts in his computer and

12:45

he's like, oh, Dave, he's like, yeah, back in 2016, it

12:48

looks like you were a candidate for ADHD. And I'm

12:50

like, huh, okay.

12:52

Well, what's five years and

12:55

50 of being diagnosed

12:57

a little later than planned? So

12:59

that's where we are. I

13:02

think it's hilarious to hear that you were but

13:04

didn't even know you were because you say you

13:06

missed the memo. That's so ADHD. I

13:10

know, and I mentioned it to my wife and she's like,

13:13

well, and to your point, like my wife, who's a

13:15

school teacher and who is

13:17

obviously teaches children of all types,

13:20

she's done it multiple times over the years

13:22

and had a stressful year in

13:25

2016 and that

13:27

led to going to see the psychologist and also

13:29

my wife was like, I think you have ADHD.

13:32

Last year was a stressful one as well, and

13:34

as was 2020, obviously, for all the

13:37

reasons discussed. So yeah, I was diagnosed

13:39

last year at 50. Which

13:42

that in and of itself, it's one of those things

13:44

where it's like, actually, I should probably add in here,

13:47

I also have it. I also have

13:49

been diagnosed. Now, when I was diagnosed, I

13:51

think it was the summer of 2005. So

13:54

here we are almost 20 years in, and

13:58

my journey's a little bit different, but... Yeah,

14:00

I think that being diagnosed as

14:02

an adult, especially, you know, further

14:04

up in years, not that we're

14:06

ancient, but it's

14:09

one of the things where it's like, well,

14:11

it may change the way that you look

14:13

at yourself. You may think, no, I don't

14:15

have it. You may hesitate to even approach

14:18

the diagnosis or seeking it out

14:20

because you think that can't be right. How

14:22

can it have been true this whole time but may not know

14:25

it? I mean, did you have any of that doubt? I mean,

14:27

you had a couple people that were kind of pointing it out,

14:29

but... Yeah, no, I didn't.

14:31

Partly because, well, beyond the people

14:33

pointing it out and the more

14:35

that I learned of ADHD, I'll

14:38

be clear to share some of the things

14:40

that I've been learning, obviously,

14:43

with everybody. Like, for example, you know,

14:45

ADHD shows differently in different people. So

14:48

that's an important point because some

14:50

of the symptoms may be different.

14:53

So things like anxiety and depression

14:55

are comorbidities, and I didn't

14:57

know that word before. Okay,

15:00

explain that because I think some people may not know what

15:02

that means. Yeah, I didn't. Yeah,

15:05

they're basically, and I could be

15:07

butchering it, but my understanding is

15:09

they're sort of symptoms of ADHD

15:11

or they can be symptoms. So

15:13

if you've been diagnosed with anxiety,

15:15

for example, another thing in 2020

15:17

because of all the stress

15:19

is I was seeing an online therapist,

15:22

but they were not a psychologist or

15:24

psychiatrist, so they couldn't diagnose

15:26

me with anything. But she

15:29

thought that I was suffering

15:31

from anxiety, which was accurate,

15:34

and some depression, more heavier on the

15:36

anxiety. The anxiety she got right for

15:38

sure, and that is something

15:41

that I've explored more this year. And

15:44

again, these are things that could

15:46

be caused by the ADHD as

15:49

well. So yeah, it's been a

15:51

great revelation, but to answer your question, yeah. So

15:54

my mom kept all my old

15:57

report cards, And I had them in

15:59

a box. My closet and after

16:01

the diagnosis I got it down and

16:03

my wife and I read through them

16:06

and lost our heads off when reading

16:08

the comments from the teachers and you

16:10

know just how clear that I was

16:12

like oh my god, it's so obvious

16:15

that I had a D H D

16:17

and still have it. Of course that's

16:19

another thing I wanted to point out

16:22

t that I've learned as as a

16:24

H D isn't something you develop, it

16:26

is something you at. I'm still struggling

16:29

with the term. And you've had it

16:31

longer Tv you It has some and

16:33

say here I struggle with the word

16:35

like having a D H D You

16:38

know what I mean like like are

16:40

a label. Yeah. It's part

16:42

of why I'd say the know it's a

16:44

kind of the H D. It's that it's

16:46

the have part. It's like it's not a

16:49

virus. It's not. It's like I I am

16:51

is T instead of I have a D

16:53

H D. You know, like right, you're born

16:55

that way. So. Yeah, but

16:57

anyway, yeah and know this is the wrong

16:59

way to look at it. I just the

17:01

way that I've looked at it for so

17:03

long is that it's part of my personality.

17:05

and that's just how it is. And you

17:07

know, take it or leave it. That's how

17:09

I have to treat myself. That how others

17:11

have to treat me. It's how I have

17:13

to navigate the world. It's if it's accurate

17:16

or not that still how I personally looked

17:18

at it. As some for you,

17:20

it kind of. He said i'm you

17:22

get off the report cards a kind of

17:24

retroactively changes your perspective on yourself and the

17:26

world. Yes, Certainly yeah, there's

17:28

a lot they're like, it's interesting

17:31

because of your diagnosed as an

17:33

adult And again, I'd been interviewing

17:35

these experts and you know, kind

17:37

of high achievers like I interviewed

17:40

Doctor Bob Dempsey that former Director

17:42

of Nasa's little operation called the

17:44

International Space. He said, you've probably

17:46

never heard of It's Artists but

17:49

like see was the Director of

17:51

the Iss for sixteen years and

17:53

he was diagnosed with a D

17:55

H D at sixty years. old

17:57

and now he works with like blue horizon

18:00

So to answer your question,

18:02

one of the biggest dangers

18:04

I have found in having

18:06

conversations and researching and reading

18:08

and writing and podcasting and

18:10

developing a new presentation and

18:12

writing my new book all

18:15

about this stuff, one key

18:17

area that I find important

18:19

among others is the importance

18:21

of not dwelling on the

18:23

past in a negative way.

18:26

So a lot of people, if you're

18:28

diagnosed later in life, you might start

18:30

thinking about all the what ifs, all the,

18:33

oh man, if I'd known I have ADHD

18:35

as a kid, I could have been treated,

18:37

I could have had medication, I could have

18:39

had therapy, and then I could have been

18:42

someone, I could have been a contender. So

18:46

you can easily go to dark places

18:49

by doing that. But thankfully, if anything

18:51

good came from 2020, I think it

18:53

was all preparation ahead of

18:58

2023 for me to handle this diagnosis. So

19:02

another thing I didn't mention and something

19:04

I've written a lot about is I

19:06

started meditating like a regular mindfulness and

19:08

meditation practice in 2020. And

19:11

it's something I dabbled with over the years, but it's

19:13

something I finally started taking seriously

19:15

for my own mental health during all

19:17

that stress. And it's something

19:19

I still do today. But again,

19:21

part of that, you learn

19:23

about not thinking about too

19:25

much about the past or the future

19:28

for that matter, but really focusing on

19:30

the here and now the present. Okay,

19:33

so I know that you mentioned Wise

19:35

Squirrels, your podcast and everything, you've talked

19:37

with some great people. I want to

19:39

jump into those lessons before we do

19:42

some of those. I gotta ask, like,

19:44

initially you're thinking, okay, I'm diagnosed. And

19:47

now what do I do? Like sidebar. My

19:49

hope is people are listening to this

19:52

conversation. And if they've had suspicions, they

19:54

can check with others, see what they

19:56

think, trusted, you know, accountability,

19:58

people, friends, family, etc. like

20:00

you and I both have had happen,

20:02

but then also maybe get away from

20:04

a little bit of the anxiety, the

20:06

depression, the guilt that they may be

20:08

feeling and really get checked and tested

20:10

and diagnosed one way or

20:12

the other to know how to progress

20:15

forward. That is really my ultimate hope.

20:17

I thought when I said, let's talk to Dave,

20:19

that was kind of my end outcome that I

20:21

had in mind. To that end, I hope that's

20:23

what's happening right now. I hope people hear that

20:25

and think, oh, Eric just gave me permission and

20:28

Dave echoed it. Yeah,

20:30

100%. That's the goal

20:32

of Y Squirrels.

20:34

It's the goal of the presentation that

20:37

I've developed called The Root Down, which

20:39

I can tell you more about later.

20:42

There's a person, an authority in the space

20:45

who is now retired, but still a YouTubing

20:48

frequently and he's a gem.

20:50

His name is Dr. Russell

20:52

Barkley. Dr. Russell Barkley is

20:55

really outspoken, well-known in the

20:57

ADHD community as like the

20:59

guy or one of the

21:01

people who's just such an expert. He's

21:03

retired, but he still does these YouTube

21:06

videos all the time. What he does

21:08

is he reviews research and

21:10

then does YouTube videos disproving or

21:12

proving or throwing people under the

21:15

bus and with good reason like

21:17

Jordan Peterson, who's shared

21:19

all sorts of misinformation or maybe

21:21

even disinformation about ADHD. He

21:25

does such a good job with it. I

21:27

bring him up. There's also a great resource

21:29

called ADDA, the Attention Deficit Disorder Association,

21:31

which we should also mention

21:33

ADD and ADHD. That

21:36

is the same thing. The acronym changed. We

21:38

can talk about that, but it is the

21:40

same thing. So if someone

21:43

says ADD, ADHD, it's

21:46

one and the same. But I mentioned

21:48

Dr. Barkley because he's researched

21:51

multiple studies and found that

21:53

the average lifespan for somebody

21:55

with undiagnosed

21:57

and untreated ADHD is

22:01

approximately 13 years or

22:03

can be 13 years

22:05

less than a neurotypical

22:07

person, meaning somebody without

22:09

ADHD or somebody

22:11

with ADHD that is

22:13

receiving treatment for the

22:15

ADHD. So it could be up to 13

22:17

years less. That's

22:19

a big part of why I'm trying

22:22

to remove stigmas and educate folks as

22:24

well. So it's important. It's

22:26

really important. So what were your thoughts?

22:28

When you first were diagnosed and you

22:30

know, so how do I proceed forward

22:33

with treatment that's going to immediately help

22:35

you, but also knowing then, okay, this

22:37

is a journey I'm going to learn

22:39

more. And that's also partly

22:41

where we go with the podcast and your guests. Yeah.

22:45

So at why squirrels.com there is a

22:47

free like assessment there. There's a link

22:49

there. I don't see the results. So

22:51

that's a good like starting point if

22:53

you're curious and you want to do

22:55

an assessment just to see. But

22:59

regardless of what the outcome of that assessment, regardless

23:01

of what it is, it can help

23:03

you get an idea of maybe

23:05

you have ADHD, but the most important thing

23:07

is seeing a doctor. So

23:09

going to see first your

23:11

family doctor probably, and then maybe

23:13

a psychologist or a psychiatrist who

23:16

can actually diagnose you or not.

23:20

So you really have to go see a

23:22

licensed doctor who can actually diagnose you

23:24

to be able to receive a diagnosis.

23:27

So as I said, like I was

23:29

diagnosed in 2016 when I saw my

23:31

doctor last year, he saw

23:33

that in the system and he also

23:36

did some exercises and assessments with me

23:38

and we concluded, yes, in

23:40

fact, I have ADHD. So your

23:43

family doctor can prescribe meds.

23:46

So he prescribed me

23:49

some stimulants. That's

23:51

a common thing for ADHD years. By

23:55

the way, I say why squirrels, because why

23:57

it's for late diagnosed adults. So

24:00

it's wise because of the wisdom

24:02

we've earned in our lives, you

24:04

know, dealing with not knowing we

24:06

have ADHD, but still surviving and

24:09

thriving. And then squirrel because... Yes.

24:12

Exactly. In case anyone's wondering.

24:15

Yeah. So I went and saw my doctor.

24:17

He prescribed me meds. And

24:19

then we started going back and forth on

24:22

changing the meds or updating

24:24

the dosage, kind of starting

24:26

low and gradually getting higher

24:29

in order to get

24:31

a better understanding of what might help me.

24:34

What we concluded too was that I wasn't

24:37

really seeing the results that I wanted from

24:39

that. So my

24:41

doctor recommended a psychologist to meet

24:43

with with a specialty in ADHD.

24:47

And then she assessed and prescribed

24:49

me a different medication, a different

24:51

stimulant. And we went through sort

24:53

of a trial and error... Not

24:55

error, but a trial, you know,

24:57

the same sort of thing until

24:59

we landed on something. But before

25:02

we did, we actually stopped and

25:04

realized that we needed to treat

25:06

my anxiety more first. And so

25:08

we went back starting from scratch and

25:10

away with treating my anxiety. So now

25:12

I'm on a medication for that and

25:15

then reintroduced the stimulants. And now I'm

25:17

in a much sweeter spot. Still

25:19

experimenting with the dosage of the stimulants, but

25:21

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I think that's a really good example

28:38

of, one, it manifests or exhibits in

28:40

different ways. No diagnosis is

28:43

the same as anybody. The way

28:45

that our personalities are different is also the same

28:47

way that we have it exhibit itself

28:51

the symptoms, in other words. The way the symptoms

28:53

show is going to be different. And the way

28:55

you treat them is different. It's not one to

28:57

one. It's all different. It's good to know that

28:59

ahead of time. And I can

29:02

say to myself, or I can say as

29:04

far as myself, it was the same exact

29:06

way. I started on meds right

29:08

away. It really wrecked my

29:10

sleep. Although part of that was

29:12

probably that we had a six or seventh month

29:14

premium newborn in the house at that time. And

29:16

that really didn't help either. And I kind of

29:19

said, you know what, I'd rather just go off

29:21

completely and come back around to it later. So

29:24

that's a different journey, obviously. Yeah,

29:26

but you're right. I mean, there are certainly,

29:28

I mean, it's not like ADHD is

29:31

completely different for everybody either. I mean,

29:33

there are certainly commonalities. I mean, it

29:35

is an acronym, right? I should also

29:37

add that a couple of different points.

29:39

One is that women

29:41

are being diagnosed, I guess,

29:43

maybe with some more frequency

29:46

now. And the reason why

29:48

is because of our sexist

29:50

history, not ours, Eric and

29:52

I are not sexist. But

29:57

the medical professional or industry where

30:00

ADHD or ADD back in the day

30:02

was always thought of as this naughty

30:04

boy syndrome. It was a naughty boy

30:06

thing. The boy was hyperactive, couldn't sit

30:08

still in class, goofed off constantly. I

30:10

was a complete class clown, so it

30:12

makes a lot of sense there. But

30:15

they didn't think it was something that

30:17

girls could have or they were too

30:19

sexist to see it or whatever. Or

30:21

didn't even call the boys out on it in

30:24

a way. It was just that it was behavioral

30:26

problems. Yeah, exactly. True.

30:29

For girls, ADHD often

30:31

shows differently in the sense

30:33

that with the hyperactivity part,

30:36

they're more mentally fixated on

30:38

stuff, daydreaming out the window,

30:40

playing with their hair, just

30:43

that kind of thing and not

30:45

really jumping around out of their

30:47

desks in the classroom. So it's

30:49

less obvious or less apparent. So

30:51

yeah, so everybody, it doesn't matter

30:53

your gender or whatever. I'll interject

30:56

and say that's how mine was.

30:59

I was way more like what you just

31:01

described, playing with my hair when I had

31:03

some. One

31:06

of the things my wife noticed when we were

31:09

first dating was I was pushing my hair back

31:12

over my ears, but there was no hair

31:14

there. I had that undercut buzz to look

31:16

there. She's like, why do you keep moving

31:18

your hair? I just didn't think anything of

31:20

it, but it was like that. Right.

31:24

There's like two categories. And again, to be

31:26

clear, I'm not a doctor, right? So this

31:28

is just the stuff I've learned. But there's

31:30

two main categories of ADHD. There's

31:33

the impulsive hyperactive type, and

31:35

then there's the inattentive distractible

31:37

type. And there's some commonalities.

31:39

And again, it's not one size fits all or

31:41

anything like that. But yeah, absolutely. So that's part

31:43

of the reason why it was more ignored or

31:45

missed in a lot of girls. The

31:49

other thing too is now that it's known

31:52

as ADHD and the age is hyperactivity, as

31:54

soon as I was diagnosed, now I've always

31:56

been very transparent and open and

31:58

I don't know. I just like sharing

32:00

my journey with people. So I wrote a blog

32:03

post and posted on Facebook, hey, guess what, everybody

32:05

have ADHD. I joked that

32:07

I kind of like came out of the mental health

32:09

closet, as it were. And

32:12

I got all these messages from friends

32:15

and people. And one person, actually several

32:17

said, I thought I had

32:19

ADHD, but I'm not hyperactive. And

32:21

hyperactivity gets shown, it shows up

32:23

differently in different types, but

32:25

it also shows up differently in adults

32:27

where you're not bouncing around the room.

32:29

So two of the ways

32:32

for me, one, you'll be like, oh,

32:34

okay. And the other you might think,

32:36

that sounds kind of weird. The first

32:38

is like chewing your lips, chewing the

32:40

inside of your mouth. I

32:42

do that chronically, always half to the

32:44

point at periods where I couldn't even

32:47

go to sleep because I'm still chewing

32:49

the inside of my mouth. And that's

32:51

more common than we know. The

32:53

other thing that's really weird in a way

32:56

is I love wearing soft T-shirts

32:58

and always have loved the touch

33:01

and feel of my

33:03

soft T-shirts. It's not like someone else, I'm

33:05

not gonna go and reach and touch your

33:07

shirt, that's weird. I mean, you have

33:09

done that to me before, let's be honest. Yeah, that's

33:11

true, that is true. And I used

33:13

to play with your hair as well. But

33:16

so I do this thing where like, I'll like

33:18

kind of touch my shirt and I'll do it

33:20

like under the table. And I'm not even thinking

33:23

of doing it like I'm hiding it. I just

33:25

do it that way. And my wife's

33:27

always known, she sees me doing it, she's like, and I'm

33:29

like, I don't know why I always do this. And

33:31

I'm reading Dr. Tamara Rocie's book, Your

33:33

Brain's Not Broken. That was the first

33:35

book I read. I've since interviewed her

33:37

on my podcast, by the way, and

33:40

she's awesome. She's

33:42

incredible, tons of fun and

33:44

just great resource. But I interviewed

33:46

her on my show and

33:48

I was telling her about this and she was laughing.

33:50

She's like, yeah, that's, and as I was reading her

33:52

book, I told her, I was like, oh my God,

33:55

that's totally me. And I messaged Heather and

33:57

she's like, oh, like, I know.

33:59

Like this. This is part of the ADHD

34:01

too. So anyway, just the

34:04

hyperactivity thing can show up in different

34:06

ways, not just like jumping around the

34:09

room. Yeah, it's definitely, it's integrated

34:11

into the senses and the sensory, you know,

34:13

the way that you want to reach out

34:15

to sense the world, but also the way

34:17

that you actually sense the world coming at

34:20

you is the best way I've kind of

34:22

felt I can describe it myself. Yeah.

34:25

And something else that's interesting about ADHD

34:27

is that, so, and again, not a

34:29

scientist, but my understanding is that

34:32

it affects your prefrontal cortex

34:34

is where the front of

34:37

your brain ultimately, and your

34:40

dopamine receptors aren't as good

34:42

as, you know, quote unquote,

34:45

a neurotypical, right? So somebody

34:47

who doesn't have ADHD or

34:50

other neurodiversity. And I

34:52

say that because it's an interesting thing

34:54

because because of the lack of

34:56

dopamine you're receiving, you crave it

34:59

and you try to find ways to produce it. So

35:02

like I interviewed Peter Shankman, who's a,

35:04

you know, serial entrepreneur, popular digital marketing

35:06

fellow, like, you know, kind of from

35:08

our school, I guess I've known Peter

35:11

a long time and he's written a

35:13

couple of books about ADHD, has a

35:15

great podcast as well. He

35:17

had a great exit from his company,

35:19

Haro, that allowed him to afford the

35:22

luxury of jumping out of planes and

35:24

he loves skydiving. And he's like, it's

35:26

the ultimate dopamine rush. But

35:29

with ADHD or wise squirrels, we are

35:31

craving dopamine all the time. And I

35:33

realized for me personally, as a keynote

35:36

speaker, and, you know, I perform improv

35:38

and comedy and things, when I'm standing

35:40

in front of a stage and I'm

35:42

receiving feedback from the audience, they're laughing

35:45

and so on. I'm on cloud

35:47

nine. I'm receiving a huge

35:49

rush of dopamine and I'm like, Oh,

35:51

this is amazing. And

35:53

it's this huge revelation for me that that

35:55

is why I love to do what I

35:57

do and why I love people.

36:00

and networking and meeting others. All

36:03

of this stuff creates dopamine for me.

36:05

Now I'm extroverted as well, but that

36:08

really does help. Now the flip

36:10

side and what I mentioned earlier

36:12

about your life expectancy, a big

36:15

reason why people die earlier with

36:17

untreated ADHD is because

36:19

it's partly about like making poor

36:22

choices, being impulsive. So like, you

36:24

know, this can result

36:26

in a car accident that kills you. But

36:29

addiction is another big factor, a

36:31

big factor. And it's something

36:33

that for me personally, you know, I used

36:35

to drink like a fish back when I

36:38

was in my twenties and even younger. And

36:40

when I would smoke, I would smoke like

36:43

the entire pack. And again, I've quit smoking

36:45

many decades ago. And when I

36:47

drank, it wasn't that like for me, it wasn't

36:49

an addiction in the sense that like I had

36:51

to drink, but it was more that if we

36:53

went for a couple of beers, I would have

36:55

a couple more beers. So there

36:57

was this joke, my wife always tease me

36:59

about how excessive I am. So

37:02

this lack of dopamine

37:04

can also be received

37:06

through addiction, through smoking

37:08

or drinking or drugs, like not

37:10

all drugs, but bad drugs. And

37:13

this is why a lot of people end up

37:15

ODing or, you know, something like that. So anyway,

37:17

I'll shut up for a minute and breathe so

37:19

you can speak. That's the other

37:21

thing with ADHD. I ramble. Hello. It

37:24

makes you a good podcast guest. I

37:27

know. I know. Listers are

37:29

like, right? He's on medication today.

37:33

Well, I was going to say, I think one

37:35

of the main differences between us is

37:38

you're extroverted. I'm

37:40

introverted. Now, I get to flip

37:42

my, you know, turn my podcasting equipment on like

37:44

it's my Iron Man suit and use it to

37:46

be out there in the world to be in

37:49

front of people and do cool things. That's

37:51

not to say I'm not doing cool things outside the

37:53

suit too. Yes. Billionaire

37:56

playboy, philanthropist, something, something. That's the line,

37:58

right? From Avengers? Yeah, take

38:00

that suit away. It's to

38:02

say that you are as

38:04

an extrovert You're charging yourself

38:07

up as you are fulfilling that need whereas

38:09

as I fulfill that need I then have

38:11

to back away to then recharge. It's a

38:13

little bit different. It's a little bit cyclical

38:16

But that's again I want to call that

38:18

out as a difference that people might hear

38:20

you know again There's a prism here and

38:23

it's a spectrum So yeah my understanding at

38:25

least what I know is whether you're extroverted

38:27

introverted ambivert I don't know and again, I'm

38:29

not an expert here, but I don't know

38:32

of any relation or

38:34

connection to Neurodiversity

38:37

or ADHD For

38:39

that, you know I wrote in my book

38:41

new business networking and a lot of the work that

38:43

I've done and you know even talking to you on

38:46

the Podcast before about networking, you know, I've done a

38:48

lot of work around Writing

38:50

and thinking for you know networking

38:52

for introverts because obviously for extroverts

38:55

not too difficult And

38:58

also to be clear as you said it

39:00

is a spectrum So like I'm not a

39:02

hundred percent extrovert and you're not a hundred

39:05

percent introvert, right? I'd be out

39:07

somewhere talking to everybody I could find if

39:09

I was a hundred percent and you wouldn't be

39:11

talking to me at all Right now you're a

39:13

hundred percent introvert. Nobody is an ambivert.

39:15

I just think it's a bit of a whatever. Yeah Yeah,

39:20

it's like come on. So thing is

39:22

is that and I know you as you've been talking

39:24

you've been kind of You know

39:26

inserting slash Sharing

39:29

things you've already learned. What are some

39:31

of the big like bombshell things? You

39:33

probably I mean you shared a couple

39:35

of them already really but as you've

39:37

talked with these different experts like Tamara

39:40

and Peter Shankman who's been

39:42

on the show by the way, he's been on my

39:44

show Yeah, he's great and you've talked to Rob Hatch

39:46

as well who works with Chris Brogan So in other

39:48

words you've had at least two or three different guests

39:50

on your show already that I've had on mine Which

39:53

is great. So I knew like when I was going

39:55

through your episodes. I'm like you're on the right

39:57

track This is really really really good as a resource

40:00

Well and so i'm gonna comment and

40:02

answer your question there because it's one

40:05

of the revelations i've learned is that

40:07

you are. Far

40:11

more likely to explore

40:13

entrepreneurial means with

40:15

the hd the

40:17

hd is common

40:19

among entrepreneurs and

40:21

creatives as well

40:24

so you know i think of you know.

40:27

Brands like virgin jet

40:29

blue ikea are

40:32

just some of the

40:34

first three that come to mind in the

40:36

presentation i do the route down i talk

40:38

a lot about this and in the book

40:41

that i'm working on now to you this

40:43

is a big one so yes it's your

40:45

question like that was a big revelation was

40:47

how many creatives i have

40:49

a hd how many entrepreneurs

40:52

also because with the hd

40:54

you tend to take risks

40:56

good or bad and you

40:58

tend to think outside the box sorry

41:01

about the old cliche but that tends

41:04

to happen and so it's a great

41:06

operating system as i like to call

41:08

it for entrepreneurs and stuff to have

41:10

a hd so it's interesting that way.

41:13

You probably heard people and i've heard people go

41:15

both ways with this some of said oh

41:17

no don't think of a hd as a

41:20

disability think of it as a superpower but

41:22

then other people are like yet don't call

41:24

it a superpower i struggle. I have empathy

41:27

for both of those i've been able to

41:29

tap into it and use it like a

41:31

superpower sometimes but dang it's a struggle. been

42:00

on my podcast too, who

42:02

are not like doctors or, you

42:04

know, they're not even medically trained

42:06

per se, but they've have studied

42:09

helping people with ADHD. And so

42:11

they can coach you. I'm seeing

42:13

a coach who is fantastic. That

42:15

specializes in ADHD. So who understands

42:18

executive functioning skills, and who can help,

42:20

you know, help me with that stuff.

42:23

But I brought the

42:25

coach up because I feel

42:27

part of the curse of it

42:29

is, and getting back to the

42:31

creative side and entrepreneurial side is that when

42:33

you get in the zone, you know, we

42:36

talk a lot and a lot of hustle

42:38

porn that you in the culture,

42:41

you know, you hear people are striving for to

42:43

get in the flow to get flow, which

42:45

is like a legit thing. And

42:48

with ADHD, you do

42:50

get fixated on something.

42:52

And whatever you are excited

42:54

about, and really in the zone for

42:57

you can go

42:59

full steam ahead with ADHD,

43:01

you're fixated, hyper fixated. The

43:04

bad side about it is it is

43:06

as if there is like a wall between

43:09

you and the task that you know,

43:11

you need to do, you know

43:13

how to do it, but for whatever reason,

43:15

you don't want to do it. And

43:17

you can't do it. And it's

43:20

like paralyzing and incredibly frustrating because

43:22

you know you need to do

43:24

that thing. And you just for

43:26

whatever reason, you just can't, you

43:28

just can't do it. And it's

43:31

it's incredibly annoying. Okay,

43:33

where is the camera in here that you

43:35

have been watching me from? Because that's been

43:38

the camera in my head. You

43:40

never had a camera in my

43:42

head. Anyway, right. That's Jim

43:46

Carrey from Truman Show. Anyway,

43:48

yeah, that's what it feels like. Also,

43:50

he has ADHD in a

43:52

very obvious way in a lot of ways. You

43:54

know, it's almost easy to call that one out

43:56

for sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, but he's

43:58

definitely a wise squirrel. because he's up there in years. And

44:01

he's kind of mellowed in some ways,

44:03

but he approaches life that way. His

44:05

Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee episode. This

44:07

is one of my favorites. I

44:10

mean, he's so good. He's so talented.

44:12

Definitely somebody I want to interview for

44:14

the podcast as well. Fellow Canadian too,

44:17

so who knows. Maybe he'll answer my

44:19

calls. But I wanted to mention, to

44:22

that point, and this is something I actually did

44:24

a video about this, and I plan to do

44:26

more videos kind of sharing

44:28

what I'm going through with this.

44:30

But I wrote in my journal

44:32

also another thing that I talk

44:34

about, the importance of journaling. Overwhelmed

44:36

equals paralysis equals stagnation.

44:39

And I wrote this down because

44:41

it just, I had this revelation with

44:43

my therapist recently that when I am

44:46

overwhelmed, and this is an ADHD thing,

44:48

when you become overwhelmed about something, you

44:51

hit that paralysis mode, and if you

44:53

don't do that thing, then

44:55

it's stagnation time. You're just going to be

44:57

stuck. And so we all have to do

44:59

things we don't want to do, certainly, in

45:01

life. But another big revelation and

45:04

part of this adventure for

45:06

me is the importance

45:08

of giving myself grace, so

45:10

that if I'm dragging my heels on doing something

45:12

that I know that I need to do now,

45:14

I understand why it is the way it is,

45:18

and giving myself enough grace to be like,

45:20

okay, it's okay. I could

45:22

do it tomorrow. Or not to procrastinate

45:24

it to the point of not doing

45:26

it, but just find ways to make

45:29

it more fun. I'll actually share

45:31

very quickly the journal entry that I wrote.

45:33

I won't really read the whole thing, but what I'll share with you

45:36

is that when I am feeling

45:38

overwhelmed, and I made a little list

45:40

of things to do, and I encourage

45:42

folks to try this or yourself. So

45:45

one is meditation and mindfulness. The

45:47

second is to break big projects

45:49

into small chunks. The third

45:52

is to reward myself. So

45:54

if I do it, go have some pizza

45:56

or whatever. Visualize the end.

45:58

So think about the end. and envision that,

46:01

manifest the future, daily journaling, as I

46:03

mentioned, and that's how I came up

46:05

with this, blocking my calendar to times

46:08

in the day to work on some things I don't

46:10

want to do, and then also getting

46:12

help from my friends or

46:15

outsourcing. And to outsource, I've

46:17

learned about what's called the Eisenhower Matrix,

46:20

which is something you can find. You

46:22

can see the matrix at ysquirrels.com. I

46:25

wrote a blog post about this, and

46:27

it's from the one and only Dwight

46:29

Eisenhower, the former president, but it's this

46:31

matrix he created of deciding how to

46:34

delegate or decide on things to do.

46:37

And so I wrote a blog post about that because I found

46:39

it really helpful. So those are just some

46:41

things. And I find, again, I

46:43

thought to myself, overwhelm equals

46:45

paralysis equals stagnation, but then

46:48

I opened my journal and wrote it down, and

46:51

I'm looking at it like, okay, great

46:53

to know this. It

46:55

doesn't help. And I started thinking about, okay, so what

46:57

do I do when I reach that

46:59

feeling of overwhelm? And so that's kind of

47:02

where I landed. Journaling is

47:04

one of the biggest things for me. Honestly, my

47:06

practice of that is one of the things

47:08

I wanted to revamp. And I know I'm

47:10

not a New Year's resolution kind of person,

47:12

but it was one of the things that

47:15

recently I've been noticing needed to be reinstated

47:17

and reconfigured. And it was because

47:19

of this exact thing. It was a revisit.

47:21

It was a check-in. It was a ask

47:23

yourself certain questions regularly and being surprised at

47:26

the thoughts and conclusions that

47:28

don't just come from doing it once,

47:30

but come from doing it continually. So

47:32

thank you for bringing that up. Yeah. And

47:35

one of the things I wrote, and I think

47:37

it was before I was diagnosed, it's interesting to

47:39

look back at things I wrote or talked about

47:41

and be like, oh, that's why I thought that.

47:44

Or that that's why I came up with that

47:46

solution. But for some reason, I created this like

47:48

undue stress about journaling because originally I was treating

47:50

it like a diary. And

47:53

then I realized I saw some talk

47:55

or something. Somebody was talking about

47:57

journaling. And I realized like, wait a minute,

47:59

my journal can. just be like pages

48:01

filled with like scribbles or a

48:03

recipe or a sketch or whatever,

48:05

or the journal entry that I

48:09

write can be a paragraph or it can be pages.

48:11

It doesn't matter. It's almost

48:14

like morning pages from Julia Cameron

48:16

from The Artist's Way. It's just

48:18

giving yourself permission to write

48:20

a paragraph or a sentence and call it

48:22

a day. But the point is

48:25

to use the journal and also find...

48:28

But another thing with ADHD is you

48:30

have to find what works for you. So there may

48:32

be apps that work for you. It

48:34

may be better on your computer in a

48:36

Word document or a Google Doc or whatever.

48:39

It may be better in a written

48:41

analog journal or scraps of paper or

48:43

a legal pad or whatever. So

48:46

it's finding what works best for you as well.

48:48

Well, I'm going to call out that analog versus

48:50

digital is also something to really consider. One of the

48:52

things that Rob Hatch, when he was on my

48:54

show last, talked about, and I've shared this tip

48:56

a number of times, but I'm going to share it

48:58

again here because it fits, is this

49:01

idea of having like the legal pad, the

49:03

analog legal pad sitting here that you can

49:05

pull over, right? Yep, you're holding it up

49:07

right there. You pull it over and you

49:09

write on it and then you push it

49:11

away and you acknowledge the thought and

49:14

you then give yourself... It builds

49:16

trust in yourself, in other words, that, oh,

49:18

I've captured it. Now I can put that back

49:20

out of my mind and focus back on the task at hand.

49:23

Yeah, no. And to your point, I mean,

49:25

what I do is I'll fill up legal

49:27

pads, two things on that. One is when

49:29

I meditate, I'll have a legal pad next

49:32

to me. And so as I think of

49:34

something that I want to remember,

49:36

I'll jot it down. It used to be

49:39

that if I think of something, I turn

49:41

on my computer and go and

49:43

write the article or create the

49:45

event or launch a podcast or

49:47

all the things. And

49:50

instead I just jot it down on the legal pad

49:52

and get back to the breath and get back

49:55

to like my meditation. And then

49:57

like once a week or months

49:59

depends. I'll just like sit on

50:01

the couch and go through all the notes my

50:03

legal bad and there's so much satisfaction and just

50:05

tearing out All the pages and throwing

50:08

them in the recycling bin But keeping

50:10

some pages that have relevant things and then deciding

50:12

like what are the next steps or how to

50:14

shut I treat whatever It is that I wrote

50:16

so but some of them are like, oh, yeah,

50:18

I did all this stuff already Scrap

50:21

and just ripping it out. Yeah, feel feels

50:23

good And just having your own frequency for

50:25

that like if it's once a week you

50:27

go through those fine if it's oh, you

50:29

know What I check it after the end

50:31

of that actual meditation session. I just

50:34

go through and okay Is there anything that like I

50:36

did right down here? That's like today or tomorrow or

50:38

this week? Let me park that where it goes and

50:41

it's just it again. It's knowing what

50:43

the frequency is So and this by

50:45

the way, this is all stuff that

50:47

I am working on for my next

50:49

book it's also going

50:51

to be I think a Kickstarter

50:53

and if

50:55

your listeners would like to Support

50:58

me on this I would be

51:00

you know eternally grateful. Of course that

51:02

would involve me creating a Kickstarter Yes,

51:04

well first I'm gonna say I'm gonna

51:06

jump in for sure Yes And you

51:09

I've been taking notes all along of

51:11

a bunch of different things to one I want

51:13

to point people to wise squirrels I want to

51:16

point them to Dave Delaney dot me and

51:18

then also Russell Barkley and his YouTube

51:20

videos And all the other things that

51:22

we mentioned But I want to put all those in there

51:24

because one I hope people got a lot out of this

51:26

conversation In terms of awareness first

51:28

and to maybe a next step I'll link

51:30

up to that mini assessment thing that you've

51:33

got on your site. That'll be

51:35

another reinforcement a little encouragement You're

51:38

not alone all of that and then to

51:40

what's funny is I'm giving away all the

51:42

hey Dave. Thanks for being here I'm

51:45

flipping it. I'm telling them At

51:51

the end and I love it so yeah anything else

51:53

you want to call out I've already called out wise

51:55

squirrels calm Dave Delaney That me what else would you

51:57

call out? Yeah? I mean obviously We're

52:00

in podcast land here. So

52:02

I encourage folks to search

52:05

ADHD Y squirrels and

52:07

you'll find the podcast and I encourage you

52:10

to follow it, check it out if you

52:12

like what you hear or even if you

52:14

don't, although hopefully if you like it, you

52:16

know, like we podcasters are known to do,

52:19

please leave a review and

52:21

a rating and I'm not just because and

52:23

do it for Eric's if you haven't yet

52:26

because I'm going to do this part for you, Eric. Because

52:30

we're doing the work, we're putting the content

52:32

out in the world and we hope it's

52:34

sticking and we hope people are finding it

52:36

helpful. But besides like download numbers and things,

52:38

I mean, really at the end of the

52:40

day, we do this for our listeners. And

52:44

so receiving feedback is just

52:46

such a wonderful way to

52:49

know that you're listening and know that you're

52:51

enjoying it. So yeah, I

52:53

do encourage you to check out the

52:55

show and leave Eric a review here

52:57

as well. Well

53:00

said. Dave, it's great to see

53:02

you and talk with you as usual. Yeah,

53:04

I can't wait to see you in person

53:06

sometime soon, hopefully this year. In the meantime,

53:08

let's stay connected online and we'll see you

53:10

next episode. Thanks, man. Well,

53:14

that's another podcast crossed off your listening

53:16

to do list. I hope that you

53:18

enjoyed listening in on this conversation with

53:20

Dave Delaney. I hope that you got

53:22

some understanding, some awareness, maybe not for

53:24

you, but maybe for other people around

53:26

you that either you suspect may have

53:28

ADHD or that you know have ADHD.

53:31

And that maybe this gave you a

53:33

little bit more, not just awareness, but

53:35

understanding empathy sparks some ways in your

53:37

mind in which this can help you

53:39

to help them. That said, if you

53:41

feel like you suspect you might have it,

53:44

definitely start by going over to Dave's site.

53:46

You can find the link to that in

53:48

the show notes where you can go and

53:50

do that quick assessment. That's also where you

53:52

can find the links to his podcast and

53:54

everything else that he's doing ADHD wise squirrels,

53:57

among other things, different links to resources that

53:59

were mentioned. in this conversation if you

54:01

know of somebody that needs to hear this

54:03

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54:16

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54:18

for sharing. Thanks again for listening and I

54:20

will see you next episode.