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Hello and welcome back to Beyond

1:24

the To-Do List. I'm your host, Eric

1:26

Fisher, and I'm excited to be joined

1:28

once again by my friend Todd Bichon,

1:30

who also is producer, editor of the

1:33

show. Welcome back, Todd. Thank

1:35

you so much for having me, Eric. Last time we

1:37

had you on, we were doing a mailbag.

1:39

That's not what we're doing this time. However,

1:41

I do want to call out we will

1:43

be doing another mailbag in the future and

1:45

to get your productivity questions answered on this

1:47

show, just go to BeyondTheTo-Do list.com, click the

1:49

contact button, you can send a message, comes

1:52

right to my email, and I would love

1:54

to answer your questions. That last episode, we

1:56

got a lot of great feedback on it,

1:58

a lot of great questions. Turned well.

2:00

So I'm really excited for that next one coming

2:02

up. I brought Todd back because I wanted to

2:04

do something a little bit different this episode and

2:07

the best way to start this is to

2:09

give a little bit of a context or give

2:11

a little bit of a story and so a

2:13

couple factors kind of coalesced for me. So we're

2:15

recording this in March of

2:17

2024. Back in December, my

2:19

family was like, okay, hey, which Christmas movies are

2:22

we going to want to watch this year? I

2:24

want this one. I want this one and it

2:26

just kind of struck me as yeah, each December

2:28

we kind of come to this point where we're

2:31

deciding which movies can we

2:33

not live without watching or it just

2:35

isn't the Christmas spirit and it's kind

2:37

of a little bit of social pressure

2:39

in some ways and don't really love

2:41

it but just kind of acknowledge

2:43

it as usual and moved on. Then

2:46

the Oscars, the nominations were

2:48

announced. You and I love movies

2:51

and last year we sat and had a great

2:53

time watching it for the first time altogether in

2:55

a while. I had seen the most amount of

2:57

movies that were nominated in a very long time

2:59

and then kind of this anxiety crept in of,

3:01

oh crap, most of these I

3:04

haven't seen yet and a lot of them I can't

3:06

even get to the point of seeing and

3:08

feeling bad about not being able to like, oh no,

3:11

I'm not going to enjoy the Oscars as

3:13

much this year. Boo-hoo me. The one last

3:15

factor here was I got an email

3:17

from Paramount Plus with Showtime saying

3:19

my annual renewal for them, that channel, that

3:21

streaming channel was going to come through and

3:24

I thought to myself, wait,

3:26

what am I watching on there? And I'm like, okay,

3:28

there's Star Trek, there's some Colbert stuff

3:30

sometimes and I've been watching Frasier. There's still

3:32

a lot of great stuff on there. However,

3:36

is it worth me renewing for another year

3:38

especially in the light of rumored

3:40

talks that Paramount Plus and

3:43

Universal who owns Peacock are going to

3:45

somehow merge those two things together. So

3:47

I say all that to say, wait,

3:49

why are we talking about this when it comes

3:52

to a productivity podcast? And you may

3:54

have gotten a little bit of a hint of it. It's

3:56

this overwhelming or overarching theme

3:58

of anxiety. self-sabantaging

4:01

ourselves and inducing self-imposed

4:05

expectations or rules upon ourselves when

4:07

it comes to something even as

4:09

simple as something we should just

4:12

be enjoying downtime or designated

4:14

intentional time of watching and resting when

4:16

it comes to TV and movies. Yep

4:19

and you hit the nail on the head

4:21

there that even this thing that is supposed

4:24

to be enjoyable brings anxiety with it because

4:26

the culture that we live in

4:28

is so information and so media

4:31

driven now but that media is

4:33

like in many ways no longer

4:35

enriching us in ways that

4:38

it did in the past where it was a

4:40

film or a television show that we watch that

4:42

we really looked forward to or that enlightened the

4:44

way that we look at the world maybe you

4:46

know showed us a different aspect of society that

4:48

we hadn't seen before and all

4:51

that still exists and all that is still

4:53

out there like you know this year's Academy

4:55

Awards the movies are great there's

4:57

a great slew of films

4:59

out there but that just happens to be

5:01

that our society has sort of shifted into

5:04

a much more at-home entertainment experience

5:06

rather than a theatrical movie experience the

5:08

distribution is much more international for films

5:10

this year so you know if you

5:12

live in a smaller town you might

5:14

not have a lot of the international

5:16

films that are nominated but again all

5:18

this sort of anxiety

5:20

of going oh no like I haven't seen

5:23

it you know it's not going to be the same

5:25

I remember you came to me and expressed that

5:28

thought and it's kind of like oh you know

5:30

I'm not looking forward to the Oscars as much

5:32

this year because you know I haven't seen it's

5:34

sort of a bummer and I just kind of

5:36

had to say well too

5:39

bad like you know it's going to

5:41

be different and that's fine you've

5:43

got to prioritize what is important to you

5:45

and what's not and if it's not that's

5:48

okay and even if it is

5:50

a priority can I be okay with this

5:53

because I mean for me last year was

5:55

an anomaly because I had kind of given

5:57

up on the Oscars not really watching them

5:59

as often or trying to keep

6:01

up with the race of, have I watched

6:03

everything that's on the slate? Have I checked box? Oh, I've seen

6:05

that, I've seen that, I've seen that when it comes to the

6:08

slate of nominees. It wasn't 100% last

6:11

year either, but it was 75, 80%, which

6:13

was kind of cool. It was a good

6:15

chunk of that. And I know, like, you

6:18

know, not that this is an entertainment podcast,

6:20

it's a productivity podcast, but a little bit,

6:22

you know, insider in the business is that

6:24

the Oscars are aware of wanting to be

6:27

a more listener-friendly show, and

6:29

they want to nominate. This all started with Christopher

6:31

Nolan's The Dark Night, that's when the categories expanded

6:33

from five movies to ten,

6:35

because they realized that a large portion

6:39

of the population wasn't watching, you know,

6:41

Oscar movies. So they extended, you know,

6:43

the nominations up to ten, which has

6:45

continued, but as the academy has expanded

6:48

in their membership, which is an initiative on

6:50

their part to try to diversify

6:52

the academy, it's also become much

6:55

more international. So you see

6:57

more international or foreign films, what might

6:59

be kind of pejoratively described as art

7:01

films, like your arty films nominated. That's

7:04

always been the case, but it can

7:06

be a little bit ostracizing.

7:09

So to get off the sort of

7:11

industry aspect of that and more kind

7:13

of into, okay, why are we, you

7:15

know, again, talking about this, I think

7:17

at the heart of what you're

7:20

talking about, what I'm experiencing, and what

7:22

I'm sure a lot of other listeners

7:24

out there are experiencing is I

7:27

miss the time when the culture was all

7:29

talking about one thing, monoculture, like, you know,

7:32

and monoculture is no longer the case. You

7:36

know, the internet and technology has bifurcated

7:39

our entire society where we can live within our own

7:43

unique echo chambers, and that not only,

7:45

you know, relates to our

7:47

news input, which that gets a lot of

7:49

press, but also just our general entertainment input,

7:52

and we no longer have as

7:54

many communal experiences as we once

7:56

did when it comes to our own. our

8:00

film and television shows. Yeah, it

8:02

kind of gets to the the

8:04

why behind the why. You know,

8:06

I'm thinking, well why do I have this

8:09

anxiety? Why do I feel like I'm not

8:11

going to enjoy this as much if I'm

8:13

not prepared as much. And have

8:15

you come to the conclusion as a way? Well,

8:17

I think the reason is my

8:19

initial why is, oh, I'm just

8:22

not going to be prepared enough so it won't

8:24

be as enjoyable. But the real why behind that

8:26

why is because it's

8:29

a communal experience and I feel like if

8:31

I don't have anything to contribute or if

8:33

I don't have a give-and-take, you know, but

8:35

I realize that we're all gonna have

8:37

gaps. We all have our list of shame

8:40

ongoing in our lives but also temporarily

8:42

in the immediate here and now when

8:44

it comes to new stuff that

8:46

has come out that is nominated. And so

8:48

I thought, well wait a second. So the

8:51

real point here is the communal aspect. It's

8:53

the connection. And so I can

8:55

be okay with, I mean honestly,

8:57

I probably watched 10-15% of

8:59

what's nominated. Maybe 20, I don't know. I can't

9:01

even engage. And at this point, I kind of

9:03

let it go and I'm okay with it because

9:06

it'll still be enjoyable. It's

9:08

kind of like with the Super Bowl. I'm not following the season

9:10

all season but I can get into the game and I can

9:12

enjoy the game and have a real

9:14

fun time with it. Yeah, no, absolutely.

9:16

So I think that you're really

9:19

correct into what we really want to kind

9:21

of explore today is just a little bit

9:23

of this and this comes up time and

9:26

time again on the show that, you know,

9:28

but self-awareness and being aware of, okay, why

9:31

is it precisely that I do watch

9:33

what I watch or pursue what I do?

9:35

It doesn't have to be rocket science. Sometimes,

9:38

you know, it is just fun and that's

9:40

fun. There's nothing wrong with just a mindless,

9:42

you know, sitcom or just a reality TV

9:44

show to unwind, you know, at

9:46

the end of the day. But

9:49

oftentimes, I think that we find

9:51

ourselves, you know, just being completely

9:53

at a loss for what it

9:56

is that we want to watch, you know, and

9:58

then other times I think that We

10:00

have this fallacy like within ourselves

10:02

that oh movies and television are

10:04

just empty calories. There's

10:07

no real benefit in this. Why am

10:09

I doing this? I probably be better

10:11

off with my time reading a book

10:13

or engaging in something that would be

10:16

more self-improvement rather

10:18

than watching film intelligence. I'm

10:21

here to call that out at least for

10:23

me personally. I think that that's untrue. I

10:26

think that media, specifically film,

10:28

has always been an integral part

10:30

of the culture. It's been an

10:32

integral part of our

10:34

society, pushing society boundaries forward,

10:37

letting us see other individuals, sociopolitical

10:39

situations in a whole new light.

10:41

Through movies, we can go to

10:43

places and experience things that we

10:46

never can in real life. I

10:49

think that that is important

10:51

developmentally. I know for me

10:53

that was hugely important growing

10:56

up in a small town in

10:58

Indiana, but seeing a world through

11:01

that and having my perspectives changed

11:03

and challenged through film. I

11:06

am here today a little bit to say,

11:09

well, I think that that's great, but how

11:11

do we manage that in a world where

11:13

it's just a deluge, when it's just a

11:16

faucet that has now been turned on as

11:18

a fire hose of I hate this word.

11:20

I know you do content like you, but

11:22

it is just content coming through. So this

11:25

is a little bit about a healthy media

11:27

diet and a curation of what it is

11:29

that we're intentional about what we're watching. And

11:32

I feel that too. I mean, I've called

11:34

this out. I'm a Trekkie, even I mentioned it in

11:36

this episode so far, but I

11:38

can think back to Star Trek, the next generation,

11:41

when it was airing and you

11:43

had to be there or you missed it. And

11:45

some of the episodes that I saw,

11:48

especially when I rewatched as an

11:50

adult, some of those

11:52

episodes and realized some

11:54

of the just groundbreaking

11:56

and foundational sci-fi slash

11:58

social things. that it ingrained

12:00

in me when I was young. If

12:03

I can ever meet any of those cast members,

12:05

I will tell them that and say thank you

12:07

so much. But yeah, it gets to the point

12:09

where I mean, going back to the productivity of

12:11

it all and what we address with the show,

12:14

I think one of the things that we constantly

12:16

are fighting is this, we want to be using

12:18

our time to the fullest. We want a

12:21

Carpe Diem. And yet that doesn't mean hustling

12:23

at all moments, it also means rest. But

12:25

then it's like, what's the balance there? How

12:28

do we intentionally call out time for rest? But

12:30

then when we get to that time for rest,

12:32

know what we're going to do with it by

12:35

being intentional with it. But at the same time,

12:37

not just sitting down and like scrolling and scrolling

12:39

and scrolling trying to figure out what it is

12:41

through all these options that we have. I can

12:43

just you know, listeners

12:45

out there now just saying that they completely

12:48

relate with that how many of us have

12:50

gone to sit down at night and say,

12:52

okay, I want to relax and we spend,

12:54

you know, an hour just scrolling through what

12:57

it is that you know, there is

12:59

to watch and we end up essentially

13:01

doom scrolling on Netflix, you know, rather

13:03

than doom scrolling on Twitter and end

13:06

up watching nothing, you know, or just

13:08

start something and stop. And it's that

13:10

paralysis of choice. Like, you know, we

13:12

are paralyzed by everything that's out there

13:15

because we think that we need to

13:17

be engaged in everything that's out there

13:19

and that is a fallacy. So I

13:22

think that we wanted to, you know, kind of

13:24

share some tips and tricks and do some things

13:27

that you know, we've kind of done in

13:29

our friendship and our friendship circles

13:31

to kind of create systems of

13:33

curation and systems of media diet

13:35

that are a little bit more

13:37

like I said curated or regulated.

13:39

And one of those key things

13:41

is quite a few years back,

13:43

we started doing what we called

13:45

West Wing Wednesdays. You know, Aaron

13:47

Sorkin's seminal show the West Wing,

13:49

I know became incredibly popular again,

13:51

post 2016 for you know, reasons

13:53

we won't go into now

13:57

but around you know, I was actually

14:00

a little bit previous. So that time, that

14:02

was more like around 2015, we

14:04

consciously decided that we wanted to get

14:06

together with a group of our friends

14:08

who had shared interest not only in

14:11

politics but in good television and screenwriting

14:13

and get together every Wednesday just like

14:15

you would for a poker night or

14:18

for any other movie night

14:20

but to make our way through the West

14:22

Wing. That became a weekly thing. It became

14:24

something that we definitely had to look forward

14:26

to that entire week and it sort

14:29

of regulated that portion of the media digest

14:31

said, okay, this is what we're going to

14:33

watch and we loved it. We

14:35

did what, all seven seasons? Yeah, yeah and there

14:38

were people that like for me had never watched

14:40

it and caught up quickly. The

14:43

other cool thing was that there

14:45

was the podcast West Wing Weekly

14:48

that was coming out at that time on

14:51

Wednesdays. So every Wednesday morning a new one

14:53

would drop and sometimes it was some of

14:55

us would have listened to that episode already

14:57

and then say, hey, let's watch that episode

14:59

that they just covered tonight and we'll have

15:01

our own commentary and call stuff out that

15:03

they had brought attention to, etc. And

15:06

it was a great show, honestly. If

15:08

you're doing a rewatch podcast, people, go

15:10

check out what they did. It was

15:12

Rishikesh Hirway from Sound Exploder and

15:15

Josh Molina, who was one of the

15:17

people on the show. Yeah, so

15:20

which again, that's interesting that you

15:22

bring that up in terms of

15:24

a podcast because I think a

15:26

lot of times what podcasts are

15:29

doing now is that they are

15:31

filling that social gap of

15:33

where people – okay, we went to

15:35

go see Dune 2 last night. Incredible

15:39

movie. I highly, highly recommend it. Go see

15:41

it in the biggest screen possible. See it

15:43

in IMAX if you can. It

15:45

was an experience. What is

15:47

the first thing that I want to do when

15:49

I get out of the movies? You

15:51

want to talk about it with the people that

15:53

you went to the movies with. You want to

15:55

discuss it. You want to say, this was my

15:57

favorite part or maybe I didn't like this or

15:59

this. really excited me. And

16:02

so much now, like I think of

16:04

podcasts is that experience of, okay, we

16:06

want to have almost this parasocial experience

16:08

of listening to what people thought about

16:11

something. I think that's a great thing.

16:13

Obviously, we're on a podcast. We love

16:15

that medium. However, it's important

16:17

that we have real relationships with people

16:19

and actually talk to them about art

16:22

and culture that we're engaging with. Wait,

16:24

so you're saying all these podcasters aren't

16:26

my friends in real life? No, I'm

16:28

sorry. Oh man. Actually, I

16:30

know this is another cool thing that you

16:32

do when it comes to deciding what you're

16:34

going to watch is let

16:36

a podcast dictate that for you.

16:39

Yeah, absolutely. So I was talking a little

16:41

bit earlier about that kind of anxiety of

16:43

scrolling or doing whatever. Myself, I am a

16:45

big film fan. I'm a big fan also

16:48

of the podcast Blank Check. Real

16:50

quickly, Blank Check is just a great

16:52

podcast. They've been around for years and

16:54

years and I think 400 plus episodes.

16:56

What they do is that they cover

16:58

the entire filmography of a director. For

17:00

instance, they're just going to do Stanley

17:03

Kubrick. They'll do every Kubrick film from

17:05

beginning to end. With some exceptions, they'll

17:07

do some contemporary films or things that

17:09

are just thrown in for fun. But

17:11

what I really, really love about this

17:13

is I love this show. I love

17:15

knowing that they're doing a director. For

17:17

instance, a few months back, they were

17:19

doing Stanley Kubrick and so I just

17:22

watched along. I knew that that was going to

17:24

be, you know, for instance, this week was going

17:26

to be The Shining. I'm going to watch The

17:28

Shining. This week's gonna be 2001. I'm gonna watch

17:31

2001 and that

17:33

really became like a, hey, it was

17:36

almost like having a book club for

17:38

movies, you know, that was done through this

17:40

podcast and it eliminated a lot of the

17:42

anxiety of what I was going to watch

17:45

in a given week. I just say, well,

17:47

I know that I'm doing Kubrick and that's,

17:49

you know, what I'm going through. Maybe

17:51

not for everyone, but if you enjoy

17:54

really being a completist the way that

17:56

I do, you really enjoy just covering

17:58

the entirety of a filmography. that

18:00

is a great option. Another option

18:02

for something like that if maybe you're not

18:04

wanting to do an entire

18:06

filmography is going to some of the

18:09

wonderful lists that are out there. The

18:11

AFI Top 100 has compiled an incredible

18:13

list of the top 100 films of

18:15

all time. If you're into international cinema

18:18

or stuff that is a

18:20

little bit more obscure or off

18:22

the beaten path, then a really

18:24

interesting list is the Sight and

18:27

Sound list. Every 10 years, a

18:29

huge group of international filmmakers, journalists,

18:31

critics from all around the world

18:33

vote on the 100 best movies of all

18:35

time and they do it every 10 years.

18:37

It's called the Sight and Sound Poll and

18:40

that is a really great way of diversifying

18:42

some of the content that you might be

18:44

into. You find more international films, find some

18:47

more independent films, as well as blockbusters. It

18:49

ranges the whole gambit, but for some people,

18:51

working their way through a list is a

18:53

way of maybe managing a little bit of

18:56

that anxiety about what they're going to watch. But

18:58

it also creates a syllabus, if

19:01

you will, that for a lot of people

19:03

is just a healthier way to go, okay, this

19:05

is what I'm doing. And what's

19:07

great is there's also this term called decision

19:09

fatigue, which is somewhat what we're addressing here.

19:11

And part of what causes that anxiety is

19:14

we're already pressed with choices left and right

19:16

all day long constantly that whenever we say

19:19

a yes, all the nos, we should be

19:21

used to this now with the term the

19:23

multiverse, is that well, if this character makes

19:25

this decision, then these all these other variants

19:27

don't end up happening or so and so,

19:30

etc. But that's decision fatigue is we get

19:32

presented with decisions over and over. And so

19:34

if we have to continue to decide, one

19:36

of the most obvious or most well known

19:38

examples of someone who eliminated decision fatigue from

19:41

their life in a certain way was Steve

19:43

Jobs, where he would wear the black

19:45

turtleneck. In other words, he wasn't expending energy on

19:47

deciding what he was going to wear every day,

19:49

it was the jeans and the black turtleneck. Now,

19:52

with that minor decision removed, he had

19:54

one less decision every day that he

19:56

had to make. And that's kind of

19:58

what we're saying here is decide

20:00

that you're gonna let someone else in some

20:02

way, shape, or form decide for you, but

20:05

you're still intentional because you're deciding that

20:07

decision. And then now that decision is

20:09

done and you're going through that for

20:12

a while, whichever mode you choose. Yeah,

20:14

for sure. And I think that the

20:16

primary decision anxiety, at least within my

20:18

friendship circles, and I don't know if

20:21

this resonates with you, really revolves primarily

20:23

around television. What show are we watching?

20:26

Or the stress of, oh, this

20:28

really met its zenith with

20:30

Game of Thrones, I know when people just were like,

20:32

oh, I've got to catch up on Game of Thrones.

20:34

I've gotta be watching this show that

20:37

everyone is talking about. Now, for

20:39

me, in my own personal media

20:41

diet, I've found that that kind

20:43

of FOMO mix with just overwhelming

20:46

amounts of television have made me

20:48

regulate that diet in so much

20:50

as I don't watch television during

20:53

the week. I've just decided that

20:55

that will be, again,

20:57

because I've chose what film that

21:00

I'm going to be watching, I just know that

21:02

that is two hours, or an hour and a

21:04

half, depending on what it is, that I

21:06

have set aside, and I'm not going to

21:09

watch television during the week. I reserve that

21:11

for the weekend, and I am only watching

21:13

one or perhaps two given

21:15

shows at a time, depending on, typically

21:18

depending on HBO's Sunday night lineup, to

21:20

be honest with you, whether there's just

21:22

a really great HBO show on Sunday.

21:25

But I just wanna limit it down

21:27

to that one, and to

21:29

be frank, everyone's usually the one you're

21:31

watching. It's usually the

21:33

one that you and I are watching

21:35

together. Yeah, we did Last of Us.

21:38

It was just the two of us. Nobody else joined

21:40

in on that one. That one was a little

21:42

different. We did Westworld for a long time together.

21:46

I think of what else, Mayor of Easttown. So

21:49

it's whatever the event thing is. White

21:52

Lotus. Yep, White Lotus, yeah. But

21:55

being able to just say to yourself, hey, that's

21:57

going to be my dessert over the weekend. And

22:00

maybe I missed a couple episodes, so

22:03

I do binge a little bit like over

22:05

the weekend because that's the time for it.

22:07

But much more regulation in the diet throughout

22:09

the week to just limit that to either

22:11

a movie or a little bit of YouTube.

22:13

I know for a lot of people YouTube

22:15

has just become a really great way to

22:17

say, Hey, this is a 15 or

22:19

20 minute thing that I can watch and

22:21

it's not going to take up my whole

22:24

night but it's gonna give me a little

22:26

bit of relaxation and downtime. I know for

22:28

a lot of people that's reality TV.

22:30

That's not my thing per se.

22:33

Every once in a while maybe a little HGTV.

22:35

That's more my reality speed at all. Yeah,

22:38

a little House Hunters International or something.

22:41

But I think for a lot

22:43

of people, like I said, reality TV scratches

22:45

that itch a little bit. But

22:48

yeah, just regulating your diet and

22:50

being aware of what your

22:52

intake is and being aware of

22:54

how to limit that. It's

22:56

sort of like meal planning for television.

22:58

You know, just doing a meal

23:01

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23:03

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23:05

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23:10

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23:12

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23:17

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23:19

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27:07

Well, and so we've got some other thoughts and

27:09

kind of tips and tricks, I guess. It wouldn't

27:11

be a productivity show without some tips, tricks and

27:13

hacks, would it? So we've kind

27:15

of mentioned some of these already where it's,

27:18

you know, time and place or eliminating decision

27:20

fatigue. There's actually some other things we've got

27:22

that fall into eliminating decision fatigue. You know,

27:24

you've got like a Netflix hack that you

27:27

use. Yeah, for me, like, you know, oftentimes

27:29

if you are scrolling through Netflix now, mind

27:31

you, this is always a little tenuous with

27:33

Netflix because things come and go. Now

27:36

obviously, like you can add things to

27:38

your queue on Netflix. You know, you've been

27:40

able to do that for the service for

27:42

years. But a lot of times when I

27:45

do that, the queue becomes like another anxiety,

27:48

like, bearings. An overwhelming giant to-do

27:50

list of what I have to

27:52

watch, so to speak. Yes,

27:54

so what I'll often do, like if it's

27:57

a film specifically or something, then I say,

27:59

oh, well. Like I know that for

28:01

instance, Kirasawa's 7th Samurai was on Netflix

28:03

a while back. I'll just start watching

28:05

it. I may start watching it. It

28:07

might be only 5 minutes, 10 minutes

28:09

of it. But then if I stop,

28:11

it actually just sits there in my

28:14

recently played. And it's a keep watching.

28:16

Yep. It's a keep watching, but it's

28:18

a visual representation of oh yeah, that's

28:20

right. That was there and I really

28:22

love that. I've made the choice to

28:24

start that. I want to start again.

28:27

Maybe, well, I will just split

28:29

it up over a couple of days

28:31

of watching it that way. That's something

28:33

that I sort of lament about cable

28:35

is coming in on a film midway.

28:38

That's why I love flipping the channels on

28:40

the hotel TV. Yes. Because

28:43

then, and now here's the thing, I will bring an

28:45

Apple TV with me to plug in so I can

28:47

still decide what I want. You did that when we

28:49

went to New York. Yes, and it's really helpful with

28:51

family because it's like hey, we're here. Hey, there's this

28:54

thing we want to watch. Let's actually do that versus

28:56

flipping channels. But serendipitous just

28:59

discovery is still so much fun and

29:01

commercials for that matter sometimes too. Yep.

29:03

No, it's funny that you mentioned that

29:05

because I've checked out the free service

29:07

quite a bit on Amazon, which is

29:09

a good recommendation. Maybe you're on a

29:12

budget. Maybe you're in college. You can't

29:14

afford all of these streaming services. We'll

29:16

get to a little bit of that

29:18

later, some financial hacks that you

29:21

can maybe use. But Freebie is a cool

29:23

service by Amazon where there's a lot of

29:25

stuff on there and it's probably not as

29:27

nostalgic for college kids that have commercials. Maybe

29:30

it is. I've actually talked to parents who

29:32

say that their kids are really intrigued by

29:34

commercials. Yeah, I mean

29:36

sometimes with Amazon turning, even

29:38

though you pay for Prime, if you're watching

29:40

Amazon video, you now, unless you pay

29:43

for it, are going to get like two ads right

29:45

up front. And I

29:47

have thoughts. I will hold them. But

29:49

beyond that though, actually, so I've got a

29:51

hack that's kind of similar to your Netflix

29:53

hack, but it's on the Apple TV, which

29:56

I prefer the Apple TV as my medium.

30:00

media streaming device of choice. The UI

30:02

is very slick. The UI is slick.

30:04

You can customize it. I actually, and

30:06

here's a real cool bonus, I

30:08

got one for my brother who

30:10

has some disability issues. His vision,

30:13

he's legally blind but he can see things

30:15

and he can watch things. I

30:17

was able to set up a bunch of the

30:19

accessibility stuff in the Apple TV for him and

30:22

he's been able to do so much more with

30:25

it with voice activation and openness and that and

30:27

all of that. So I'm really happy about that

30:29

but for myself personally and my family, I do

30:31

the same kind of thing where I'll open and

30:34

play a bunch of different stuff in

30:36

a bunch of the different streaming platforms but

30:38

Apple TV brings all of them except

30:40

for Netflix which doesn't play nice and

30:42

I don't know why and they're missing

30:44

out because I then tend to use

30:46

Netflix a little bit less but it

30:48

has this thing where it's a top

30:50

shelf on the home screen. I can

30:52

hover over the Apple TV icon and

30:54

then at the top, I can scroll

30:56

through everything that I've

30:58

watched or been watching recently, movies,

31:01

TV, etc. and I can say,

31:03

okay, no, no, no, maybe, oh,

31:05

there it is and just click

31:07

play, drops me right in the app,

31:09

starts the show or movie right back up and

31:12

it saves me, one, it's so frictionless.

31:14

That's one of the things that's cool is

31:16

it saves you so much time from having

31:18

to, again, decision making fatigue. One,

31:21

I'm not jumping from streaming service to streaming

31:23

service to see what there is that's new,

31:25

what it was that I was watching, what's

31:27

in my queue or my list there. Googling,

31:30

where can I stream? Where can I stream

31:32

this? No, you've already done some of that.

31:34

Now, that's not to say, don't do some

31:36

of that. Jump into a streaming service, look

31:39

around a little bit, hit play on a bunch of stuff and

31:41

then it'll show up in that stream there but it's all

31:43

together so it's all across all those platforms. The

31:46

other really cool reason that I like it

31:48

is no ads. Even on the Roku, which is

31:50

kind of my second favorite, which is built

31:52

into my two TVs and I used to have

31:54

a Roku that I would take to hotels. Oh

31:56

my gosh, I just can't stand the fact

31:58

that they've got all these random things that

32:00

kind of come and go ad-wise that

32:02

are all over the place and I keep

32:05

feeling like I've got to constantly turn them

32:07

off. So I am an Apple ecosystem person

32:09

but besides that, I have found it's just

32:12

very essential for me in terms of reducing

32:14

that friction and decision fatigue. Yeah.

32:16

Well, the state of the streaming industry

32:18

is sort of interesting now

32:21

and it is very precarious. For

32:24

people who maybe don't follow the

32:27

business aspect of this, there is a

32:29

lot of moving and shaking going around.

32:31

There's been rumors of Paramount Plus, like you

32:33

said, merging with Peacock. But outside

32:36

of just the sort of tenuousness

32:38

of the streaming business in

32:40

general, there's basically just anxiety

32:43

everywhere where things on streaming

32:45

services are actually just disappearing.

32:48

So that kind of leads me into a little

32:50

bit of, not a hack per se, but a

32:53

little bit of just a moment to speak up

32:55

a little bit for physical media. Physical

32:57

media has clearly sort of gone out of

32:59

fashion as we've digitized our entire

33:02

world. That is understandable. It

33:04

is convenient. It is so much easier

33:06

to travel with, etc. But

33:08

the more and more that I have

33:11

looked into this and seen about sort of, like

33:13

I said, the tenuous nature of some of the

33:15

licensing here, the more and more I want to

33:17

make sure that the number one

33:19

things that I really, really love I have

33:22

on physical media. And I know

33:24

that that can seem like it's super expensive

33:26

to do, but believe it or not, if

33:28

you look out there on Amazon,

33:30

online, you can get Blu-rays for as

33:32

little as seven or eight bucks out

33:34

there. Even the bias I have found

33:36

sometimes, just regular Blu-ray, not 4K Blu-ray.

33:39

And I've even gone and I've got a 4K

33:41

Blu-ray player. I'll actually do 4K Blu-ray

33:44

and then sort by price and get

33:47

down into the under $9.99 on

33:49

some of those and just scroll and

33:51

be like, whoa, Shawshank Redemption? My favorite

33:53

movie, 4K Blu-ray for

33:55

$9.99. Yes, please. Another

33:58

great tip, if you're willing. little bit

34:00

risky but typically if they've got good ratings

34:02

you know you can trust this is you

34:05

can pick up an entire library of people's

34:07

blu-rays on eBay. A lot of times people

34:09

are selling off huge collections because they have

34:11

digitized or whatever and so you can go

34:14

in and grab 30, 40, 60, you know

34:16

blu-rays for

34:19

an incredibly incredibly low price so

34:21

that's something. But speaking

34:23

of libraries, the public library

34:25

in your local town has probably got

34:28

an incredible collection of movies and TV

34:30

shows that maybe you didn't know are

34:32

just sitting right there and the public

34:35

library is a great source especially for

34:37

parents. If you are on a budget

34:39

and you need to eliminate a few

34:42

of these streaming services maybe you can't

34:44

afford to have Disney Plus or your kids really

34:47

aren't using it, the public

34:49

library is an amazing resource

34:51

to find DVDs and blu-rays

34:53

of all different genres and

34:56

types. Yeah and they've got

34:58

complete series of TV shows not just

35:00

individual seasons often. I mean this is

35:02

what we used to do we'd go

35:04

and get okay we've got the entire

35:06

first season of Battlestar Galactica. How I

35:08

watch The Sopranos. I mean you just

35:10

went through because I didn't afford HBO,

35:12

then and just went through using

35:15

the library so it's a great resource that

35:17

sometimes you know is underutilized. I think that

35:19

people can be reminded that hey there's a

35:21

lot of good stuff there. Yeah

35:23

that was one of the things that as

35:25

we were moving from college age to post-college

35:28

age to young adult with

35:30

kids age and so on like

35:32

there was a big library season

35:34

in there where it was you'd

35:37

go once a week and return stuff and grab

35:39

new stuff and you'd see what there was and

35:41

it was kind of a social outing it

35:43

was excitement. Well and that thing again

35:45

maybe we're looking back at the past

35:48

with rose-colored glasses the way that all

35:50

generations do but you know that amazing

35:52

aspect of going to the video store

35:56

and maybe they had what you wanted but maybe they

35:58

didn't you know you had to try something else But

36:00

just that social act of going together with

36:02

your friends, some of the fondest memories in

36:04

my life were riding my bike up to

36:07

the video store with my friends and you

36:09

know picking out what we were going to watch

36:12

that night. That time has gone on, but

36:14

the social aspect of it doesn't need

36:16

to. I think that's you know really

36:18

the primary takeaway with this. One

36:20

other aspect that we do want to kind

36:23

of touch on just in terms of that

36:25

financial aspect of it is the fact of

36:27

the matter is that you know, I'm sure

36:30

all households know that this is getting a

36:32

little out of control. The streaming services

36:34

for a while, it was great because we thought

36:36

well it's really just Netflix, but then you know

36:38

it became HBO. Now it's

36:41

HBO, Netflix, Paramount Plus,

36:43

Peacock, you know some people

36:45

are doing Tubi, some people

36:47

like Amazon. Video,

36:50

the criterion collection if you're a

36:53

fan of manga, maybe you're doing

36:55

Crunchyroll. Like there are so many

36:57

out there that the prices

36:59

have creeped right back up if not

37:01

exceeding what we were paying for cable.

37:04

So a few little tips

37:06

and tricks. I know that Eric wanted to

37:08

mention was just kind of handling services.

37:10

So we've mentioned a couple times now

37:12

Paramount Plus, Peacock, Potential, Merger. I'd like to

37:15

see that one happen because I think both

37:17

those libraries could complement each other especially being

37:19

in the same place for hopefully a reasonable

37:22

price point. I think that's the key here

37:24

is the price point has to be right,

37:26

but whatever. Well, and maybe if you're lucky

37:28

you can get a deal like I did

37:30

when Disney Plus first came out. I

37:33

was able to get Disney Plus for

37:35

three years right before it launched for

37:37

like 180 bucks for three

37:39

years and you know, what was that 36? You

37:42

know, so you divide 180 by 36 it came

37:44

out to be like three bucks a month for

37:47

three years, which was amazing. So

37:50

a key little reminder for listeners

37:52

out there for deals like that

37:54

those deals typically start appearing for

37:56

Christmas. You can find Black Friday

37:58

deals on streaming. services. But if

38:01

you just put into your

38:03

Google alerts like Disney Plus

38:05

deal or X amount streaming

38:07

service deal, a lot of

38:09

times you will see that throughout the year

38:11

they run the specials. The other thing that

38:13

is becoming sort of key and a lot

38:16

of people might not know is that some

38:18

of these services are bundling together. So you

38:20

can bundle, you bundle your Hulu and your

38:22

Disney Plus together. The Hulu and Disney Plus

38:24

are bundled and what's interesting there is they

38:26

are actually merging those two. I've actually been

38:28

watching stuff that's on Hulu inside of

38:31

Disney Plus which is interesting.

38:33

Yeah listeners might not know but in the

38:35

rest of the world they are already bundled

38:37

together. They are doing that. And it's inevitable

38:39

that's going to be like a done deal

38:41

thing and then if I was able to

38:43

remove ESPN from my bundle and Payless that

38:45

would be great. But as things are able

38:47

to be bundled look for those. The other

38:49

key piece here is you don't have to

38:51

have all of them at any given time.

38:54

I mean even our friend and his family was

38:56

like kind of did a quick gauge of hey

38:58

is anybody watching Netflix at all right now? No.

39:01

Let's turn that off for a few

39:03

months. Or same people they wouldn't have

39:05

HBO year round back in the game

39:07

of Thrones. They did it for

39:09

Thrones. They'd turn it on for the two to

39:12

three months that Thrones was every Sunday night and

39:14

then they would catch up on other stuff too while

39:16

they had that window of it turned on. That's another

39:19

great way to do it is just turn one of

39:21

the channels on. Let's lean into the positives and potential

39:23

here that we couldn't get with cable where you had

39:25

to call up and you had to turn it on

39:27

and you have to make an excuse. Like you can

39:29

flip a switch in your account on and off

39:31

month to month. And that was kind of my question

39:33

because I think the anxiety again producing people is they're

39:35

like well I don't want to have to call and

39:38

cancel. I don't want to have to do that. How

39:40

do you do that quickly in a way that it's

39:42

really just the touch of a button. Yeah.

39:44

I could go into Hulu right now and I could go into my settings

39:47

and I could go to billing and I could

39:49

just say cancel or turn off or pause. All

39:51

or most of them have this option. And

39:54

if you do your subscriptions through Apple

39:56

actually like for a long time I

39:58

had done my subscriptions. through Apple to

40:00

HBO whenever, there's actually a little toggle that

40:03

you can literally just go into your subscription

40:05

setting and toggle it on and off for

40:07

various subscription services. So again, it's just being

40:09

aware of are we using this? Are we

40:12

watching it? What can we cut back on?

40:14

Now mind you, when you do that, maybe

40:16

you're not taking advantage of the greatest deal

40:19

because a lot of times now this is,

40:21

you know, you're signing up for a full

40:23

year. If you do

40:25

have the funds to do that, oftentimes

40:27

always be aware that signing up for

40:30

a full year is going to give you

40:32

usually a better deal. Now Netflix doesn't offer

40:34

that, you know, but you know, other services

40:36

do. I know the Criterion

40:38

Channel and a number of other services, you

40:41

can get a pretty significant discount if you

40:43

want to pay a whole year at a

40:45

time. Yeah, I think I got a full

40:47

year of stars, which has some stuff that

40:49

no one else has. Yeah, I

40:51

think I got a full year of stars for like 25 bucks. And

40:54

I'm just like, that's ridiculously low when

40:56

you do the math. Yeah, for sure.

40:59

So, well, actually kind of revving

41:01

things up here, you know, I just wanted

41:03

to really just reiterate the

41:05

point of today and this the point

41:08

of kind of this unorthodox, but sort

41:10

of more freewheeling show, not only was

41:12

kind of to celebrate the Oscars coming

41:14

here on Sunday and to just talk

41:16

a little bit about the state of

41:19

media, but really to reinforce the fact

41:21

that the anxiety that poor Eric here

41:23

was experiencing the anxiety that I think

41:25

a lot of people experience when it

41:28

comes to what should I

41:30

be watching, you know, what's happening in

41:32

the media can really be alleviated by

41:34

taking some time to just do some

41:37

reflection on what's important to you, what

41:39

are you and your family really bonding

41:41

over what types of shows really bring

41:44

you together and your friend groups. Yeah.

41:47

And again, it's all about

41:50

eliminating decisions, alleviate decision fatigue.

41:53

You can save money, you can save time, you

41:56

can reduce friction in all of these things. And

41:58

one thing I want to call out is You

42:00

know, we also are avid, I would say avid

42:02

readers to a point, as well

42:04

as music appreciators. And we haven't even

42:07

gone into like the stacks of books

42:09

that people have that give them guilt

42:11

of not having read through them. Mine's

42:13

my New Yorker subscription. There you go.

42:16

It comes every week and

42:18

starts to pile up. But a lot of

42:20

these, like I said previously, a lot of

42:22

this thinking has been

42:24

applied to book clubs, you know, or

42:27

to reading in the past. And it's

42:29

really just trying to look at, you

42:31

know, your media in more of a

42:33

book club sort of mindset. Let's

42:36

be conscious about what we're reading. Read

42:38

that together in groups. Well, let's be conscious

42:40

about what we're watching and watch that together

42:42

like in groups, not necessarily in person. You

42:44

know, you may have friends spread out all

42:46

over the country. We all know now, like,

42:48

you know, that that's no longer a limitation.

42:51

I actually am still engaging a little bit

42:53

with sort of watch party, live type apps.

42:55

Yeah, the party functionality in some of these.

42:57

Yeah, because I've got friends, you know, in

43:00

California and friends out West where, you know,

43:02

I don't get to see them, but I

43:04

want to have an experience with, you know,

43:06

a film or with the TV show. So

43:08

I know that that's thought of as like

43:10

a COVID thing. But you

43:12

know, it doesn't have to be there's still people

43:14

close to that you might want to connect with

43:16

about TV or media that, you know, you can

43:18

do this with. Yeah. And I

43:20

think that's the only thing we want to emphasize is just the power

43:23

that this has for connection and

43:25

that that is something that I was

43:28

realizing or thought was being jeopardized but

43:30

wasn't in my whole

43:32

anxiety spiel of my opening

43:34

story there. One

43:36

of the things is Nick Gray, his like

43:39

cocktail party. Oh, yeah. Episode. I

43:42

want to call that out. I'm going to link will link up

43:44

to that in the show notes for this episode, but it's basically

43:46

creating social groups or dinner,

43:48

not dinner parties, but cocktail parties don't

43:50

have to have cocktails. But

43:53

this would be a great way to

43:55

do that. One of the things that

43:57

you and I and another friend kicked around was what if

43:59

we did a List of shame. Oh, yeah,

44:02

you know consistent watching where I you know

44:04

for example I've never I think it was

44:06

last night. I confessed I have not seen

44:08

Mad Max fury Road Mm-hmm, and you guys

44:10

are like you haven't seen that I'm like

44:13

no There's by far

44:15

worse things that I have not

44:17

ever seen that are on that list and

44:19

it's that's like Oh, well we should get together and

44:21

we should you know if one of us have at

44:23

least one of us hasn't seen it The

44:25

great idea to have that be our rolling list

44:28

So fun game that I used to play with

44:30

my old roommates in New York that we would

44:32

go to the Blockbuster right there

44:34

on You know Broadway not the Broadway

44:36

but Broadway in a story Oh, he lived

44:39

and we would go into the blockbuster in the game

44:41

was that you had to pick the film that you've

44:43

lied about Your whole life Scene

44:46

but you haven't actually seen so, you

44:49

know, it's that that sort of fun thing

44:52

But yeah, we just we wanted to do

44:54

something unconventional with this conversation, you know

44:56

We're used to talking with people

44:58

about hard-boiled productivity tips

45:01

It's like no productivity

45:04

is about being intentional with your use of

45:06

time and and that intentionality seeps into all

45:08

aspects of our lives Every aspect and doing

45:10

it in a way that you're guilt-free It's

45:12

kind of like Kendra Adachi's lazy genius way

45:14

where she's like be a genius about some

45:16

things be lazy about the other things That

45:19

don't matter and that way again, it's decision

45:21

fatigue You've already decided which things you're gonna

45:23

be meticulous about and that's okay and which

45:25

things you're gonna be lacks about and that's

45:27

okay So well, that's awesome. And this

45:29

has been a lot of fun And yeah for all

45:32

of you out there If you've

45:34

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45:36

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45:38

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45:40

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45:42

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45:47

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45:49

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45:51

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45:53

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45:55

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