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1:29

TV. Hello

1:45

everyone and welcome to

1:47

RHAP. I'm

1:50

your host, Taryn Armstrong, and we are here tonight

1:52

to talk about the latest from the

1:55

Big Brother Canada 12 house. some

2:00

things to talk about because some

2:02

things have been happening and some

2:05

big moves might be in play. So, uh,

2:08

we'll talk through it all. I'm your host,

2:10

of course, Taron Armstrong. And with me tonight,

2:13

it's the return of the

2:15

M's. Melissa is with us. How you

2:18

doing, Melissa? I'm doing great.

2:20

I'm excited to be back. Uh, this

2:22

weird BB can schedule for podcasting is

2:24

totally throwing me off. So, uh, yeah,

2:27

I'm very happy to have been able

2:29

to make it on a Friday again.

2:32

So yeah, excited to talk. All

2:34

right. And also with its night is Mari. How

2:36

you doing, Mari? Yes, I'm doing good.

2:39

Same. I was like, sign me

2:41

up for all the Fridays. And Sam was like,

2:43

all the Fridays are canceled. I was like,

2:45

cool. Like nevermind.

2:52

No, I literally had to text Sam today being like,

2:54

are we still doing a Friday podcast today cause I

2:56

had this one on the books for like a long

2:58

time. But then I saw that like every Friday was

3:01

like turned into something else or like just a Taron

3:03

recap. And then I was like, okay, are we still

3:05

doing this? And Sam was like, yes, we are still

3:07

on for today. It

3:10

does. It feels like it's been a while since we've had

3:12

things to talk about on a Friday. Exactly.

3:15

Yeah. And that is

3:17

their fault. Yes. So luckily

3:20

tonight we do, we do have some things to

3:22

talk about. Nice. Look

3:25

at that. Look at that. Um, before

3:28

we get into the big events though, uh,

3:30

you know, it's been a while because we've heard

3:33

from, uh, from both of you really, uh,

3:35

Melissa, what have you, what have you thought

3:37

of the season? It's

3:39

been really strange watching as like

3:42

a pure casual. Uh,

3:44

it feels very bizarre to me. And I

3:46

feel like I'm, I just

3:48

am like, I'm not doing enough research on this.

3:51

And then it's like, there's really

3:53

not that much like research. Like normally it's like,

3:55

if I feel that way during a big brother

3:57

season, it's because like, I'm just not

3:59

like. looking at it. I'm not finding

4:01

the right places to look, but here it's

4:04

like, you're just gonna feel that way. You're

4:06

gonna feel like if you have incomplete information,

4:08

you're not gonna feel like you really truly

4:10

know these house guests because that's just the

4:12

way this has been set up. So it

4:15

does feel a little odd because it does feel

4:17

like I'm watching and I'm

4:20

like, oh, interesting, you know, so and so

4:22

went home, but I'm not really caring all

4:24

that much. It's not that I don't care,

4:27

but it's more just like I don't feel like

4:29

I know the players enough to really root for

4:31

them or to root against them. There have been

4:33

a few specific instances where I've been like, I

4:36

mean, most of the time I can basically say

4:39

like, oh, that's a good game move or

4:41

that's a bad game move, but I don't,

4:43

I'm not like emotionally invested. So I don't

4:45

care as much as I normally would. Like I think

4:49

that the closest I came

4:51

to really caring was when

4:53

Dennis was sent home because

4:55

I just felt like he really wanted it and

4:57

it was just such a bad move that I

4:59

was like, oh my God, this is so bad.

5:03

And then also like I do feel like

5:05

the Kayla thing has kind of, you know,

5:07

I really don't like that either because I feel

5:10

like that's a horrible move. And I feel I

5:12

feel most anti

5:14

Avery, but I also don't exactly know

5:17

why. Like it's one of those things

5:19

where I'm feeling this like power of

5:21

like, I don't like the mood she's

5:23

making. I don't feel like she's doing

5:25

good things for her game. And yet,

5:27

like, I don't really know. But that

5:30

is my current take. It's

5:32

very halfhearted. It's very like, oh, I

5:34

don't really know. And I'm open to,

5:37

I'm open to suggestion if you guys have some

5:39

better takes for me. But that's honestly what I'm

5:41

feeling right now. Well, I do think I feel

5:43

like the Kayla move is an example of what

5:45

you're talking about, where even if you have been

5:48

watching the drops, I

5:50

think that like, I

5:52

don't think that a lot of the Kayla stuff

5:54

that led to the move was in the drop.

5:57

Right. I was I actually went

5:59

back. to try to find it,

6:01

there was like a conversation during

6:03

the dentist week that Anthony had

6:05

with Spicy where he was like, oh

6:08

man, miss, I love everyone Kayla, huh? She's really

6:10

getting in with everyone, isn't she? Like really playing

6:12

her own game. She's not in for the chocolates,

6:14

is she? Like, like, uh, you know, all this

6:16

stuff to Spicy was like, oh man, you're right.

6:20

And so, you know, there was

6:22

a bit of that through their conversations throughout the

6:24

season, but like a lot of it

6:26

we weren't seeing and we would occasionally see some

6:29

tension spike up between the two of them. Like

6:31

when Spicy got mad at Kayla during the mat

6:33

week, um, and she confronted her in the pool

6:35

table room, um, the billiards

6:38

room, but, uh, but like,

6:40

I think a lot of that just went under the radar

6:42

because it was like small things that they didn't think were

6:44

important enough to the job.

6:47

Uh, and so when the move happened, it's like, whoa, like,

6:49

where did this come from? And I think

6:51

the reality is that it's kind of been worked

6:53

in being worked on for a long time, but

6:56

we just didn't really see much. Uh, Mari,

6:58

what are your thoughts? Yeah.

7:00

Like as somebody who like

7:02

religiously checks, shout out

7:04

to Big Brother Extra for like the, the,

7:07

the daily drops run down and stuff like

7:09

that. Like, I

7:12

remember going to sleep after

7:14

the movie night mascot tweeted this out. I,

7:17

after they set up the whole, oh, they

7:19

might be going after Lexus thing. I was

7:21

like, I went to sleep thinking, wow,

7:24

going after Lexus would be a very

7:26

bad move. And then I woke up

7:29

in the morning, didn't know that they

7:31

dropped at something out like midnight and

7:34

woke up in a media is like Kayla's on

7:36

the block. I was like, what? Like

7:38

that should even move to

7:40

be, how did we get here? And then did the

7:43

digging to figure out how we got here? Like, I

7:45

agree with Taryn. It's one of those things

7:48

like you will never feel comfortable or

7:50

like you knew what was going to

7:52

happen because it's just how the season

7:55

is. We're not going to know. And it's

7:57

just so unfortunate because you have

7:59

two. vets in there who

8:01

are honestly make probably making some

8:03

of the funnest feeds ever that

8:05

we will absolutely never see. And

8:08

that is it. That's what I have

8:10

to constantly push out of my mind and be like, it's

8:13

not happening. It doesn't matter. Try and

8:15

keep up what's going on. And I can't.

8:17

It's like to me, big brother Canada 12

8:19

is like BB 25 on steroids, because

8:24

BB 25 did the same thing. A lot of people

8:27

put up their closest allies. A lot of

8:29

people made movies. I feel like they've been

8:31

a trend recently. Yeah. It doesn't make any

8:34

sense. Like what is the logic behind it?

8:36

I just, I still can't even get it.

8:38

Like when they try and explain themselves, it's

8:40

like they, they, they

8:42

can't. And then afterwards they always tell Arisa,

8:44

like I regret it or whatever. And it's

8:46

like, like, why did you do

8:49

like, why though? Like, where is this? I

8:51

just don't get how they're so easily swayed. Just

8:55

see Avery's goodbye message for Kayla. I

8:58

don't see it. What did she say? Avery's

9:01

goodbye message for Kayla was like

9:04

something along the lines of

9:06

like, if you know big brother, you

9:08

know the basic rules of big brother.

9:10

Yeah. One of which is you don't

9:13

target your own ally. Which

9:16

is like literally what she did. Avery,

9:20

during both of her HOHs, sent

9:22

home to her. Yeah.

9:25

I did see that. Like how

9:27

do they justify it? I just don't understand

9:29

like what and what. What

9:32

I don't understand is like why they think that this is

9:34

putting them in like a better position than

9:36

they would. I mean, especially not to

9:39

like totally backtrack, but the dentist thing

9:41

like What?

9:43

Okay. His Logic was like, everyone else wants

9:45

you out. It's like, okay, then yes, keep

9:47

him and let someone else get him out.

9:49

Like It doesn't make any sense why you

9:52

need to be the one to get him

9:54

out. That means that he's your ally. He

9:56

Will do whatever you want. And Yet it

9:58

will put another person. How did you

10:00

to go out? And. You won't

10:02

like keep. That a rough edges, none

10:04

of it ever makes any sense and

10:07

I think for me that's been like

10:09

the hardest part of enjoyment for this.

10:11

Even like I really don't like watching

10:13

players have like flounder around and like

10:15

to make stupid moves and just like

10:17

a bad, I like to watch players

10:19

that are good and that are you

10:22

know, making smart lives and so. It's.

10:24

Not even though there is linked to

10:26

a drama element of like oh my

10:28

god that's wild that he played in

10:30

a separate it's while but she put

10:32

killer app Whoa there. That shock factor

10:35

yes but after that it's like okay

10:37

so now we're just like losing a

10:39

player for no reason. emergence of watching

10:41

bad players say ice to me that

10:43

not exciting to me. it's not worth

10:45

the one second of like Jupiter. ah

10:47

but in our i don't know if

10:49

that's mildly why I'm not so into

10:52

this season. I. Feel this

10:54

I think the culture of the

10:56

houses cars. Unfortunately,

10:58

Set itself to this and

11:00

like Mike I am would

11:03

seize. Group of people. Are

11:05

we are loosely against this other group

11:07

of people? Oh. My god but

11:09

you're in my group in now. I

11:12

heard that you are turning on me.

11:14

Almost gets you out. Now is doesn't

11:16

matter that we still fighting this other group

11:18

of. People, it feels like that culture

11:20

of betrayal in the house. I do.

11:22

You betrayed me. I have to take

11:25

you out, right? This. Second,

11:27

Like you have to. You. Though,

11:30

pay for betraying me right now.

11:32

I have to get mad at

11:34

this right now or not think

11:36

about long term is is kind

11:38

of. what feels like is is

11:40

what's pervasive in. The house right now

11:42

going with really bad too spicy these.

11:44

First. H O H which was the second

11:47

week putting up donna. For. No

11:49

reason to speak with you would be have

11:51

that was young. So many was you had

11:53

so many other targets. And it's just continued

11:55

with the they can. Then we have both

11:58

have a read. a Joy. To the issue. like

12:00

those are that's

12:02

the atmosphere that was created. And when

12:04

that atmosphere was created, you didn't have a

12:07

player like Dougie capitalizing

12:10

on that atmosphere

12:12

and intentionally making this stuff happen. You

12:14

know what I'm saying? So like it

12:18

always comes down to the culture that

12:21

is built, the society that is built

12:23

within the house. And literally

12:26

just, it feels like we've been on the

12:28

same roller coaster ride of like, yes,

12:31

you were in my alliance, but

12:33

now you've made me mad because

12:35

I think that you're coming after

12:37

me and now I have to get you out. And

12:40

it's just so wild to see

12:42

at this point. I just, it's

12:45

wild. I mean, like

12:47

Big Brother Canada is littered with the

12:49

corpses of players who targeted their own

12:51

allies on their HOH week from like

12:54

Raul to Cindy to... It

12:59

is very odd. Kyle Moore, Vivek,

13:01

like many of them leaving Ryan

13:03

back in the... Like many of

13:06

them leave the following week, but

13:08

usually or sometimes it might take

13:10

a little bit longer, but like... It might be

13:12

like the paranoia, but it's just like, it's so

13:14

intense that like the second someone, like the whole

13:16

time you're like, should I trust this person? Anyway,

13:20

you're thinking that already. And then the second

13:22

someone's like, hey, maybe you shouldn't trust them.

13:24

Or like, oh, this that person's actually an

13:26

anchor dragging you down. Like you're like, I'll

13:28

drop them, I'll drop them, I'll do whatever.

13:30

So maybe it's just like pure paranoia. Cause

13:32

like from the outside perspective, it's like, it

13:35

does not compute. It does not make

13:37

any sense why these people would be

13:39

targeting their own allies every single time

13:41

like this. And yet

13:43

they still do it. People who are

13:45

fans of the show still do it.

13:48

So you think like it would

13:50

stop at some point or maybe, oh, it's just people who

13:52

don't know the game very well, but it's people who know

13:54

the game and they still do it. So I

13:56

don't, I really don't know how to explain it. Yeah.

13:59

Yeah. Well, here's where it

14:01

is. Kayla

14:03

left. Kayla went to the

14:05

jury house. I did talk to Kayla. She

14:09

told me that she still

14:11

is looking to hopefully

14:13

vote for Avery and Spicy

14:16

as her top pick. Goose

14:19

also told me Spicy was his top pick.

14:24

Kaylee though was actually pretty high for Kayla.

14:28

She acknowledged in the interview however,

14:30

that she does think that Anthony's

14:32

playing the best game, which

14:35

is different from the perspective Goose had when he

14:37

went into the jury house. And

14:39

I got the sense, she seemed to imply that they

14:41

have talked or they had talked by the time I

14:43

talked to her. So I'm

14:46

curious to know if Goose's perception of

14:48

Spicy being the best player is

14:50

clashing at all with Kayla's seeming perception

14:52

that Anthony's the best player. And

14:54

it would make sense that that might be

14:56

the case given that Spicy just made what

14:59

seems like a crucial mistake that Anthony is

15:01

probably going to capitalize on. So

15:04

I think there's some intrigue in that.

15:06

I think overall the jury management

15:08

question for Anthony is going to start to get

15:10

bigger and bigger because that's obviously why he lost

15:13

the first time. And as it's looking closer and

15:15

closer to him, maybe getting to the end, some

15:17

of these interviews might be concerning for him. However,

15:23

back in the house, we had an

15:25

HOH competition. And

15:28

there are seven people in the game. One

15:31

of them is not competing as the former prior HOH. So

15:34

it was a 3v3 comp. It

15:37

was Anthony, Tola, and Lexus versus

15:39

Spicy, Todd, and Bailey. And

15:43

Anthony probably is throwing. Spicy

15:46

told Anthony she was throwing. She

15:48

may or may not have actually been throwing. So

15:51

it might've just come down to Tola and

15:54

Lexus versus Bailey and Todd. Bailey

15:56

and Todd were looking at trying

15:58

to target. Lexus, that

16:01

was their main target. Tola,

16:03

it was primarily looking to target

16:05

Avery. Lexus probably

16:08

would have targeted Bailey as her

16:10

primary, but who

16:12

knows, she might have changed up if she

16:14

had won. The

16:17

competition comes down to Codd and

16:20

Tola. Final two in

16:22

the competition. And Tola

16:25

finally wins an HOH. And

16:29

when I say finally, if you

16:31

think about it, after

16:33

week one when Anthony was HOH, Spicy

16:37

and her allies, her people, have

16:40

won every single HOH

16:42

comp. Anthony's people have

16:45

not won a single HOH since

16:47

his first win in week one. This

16:49

is the first time he is

16:52

back in actual power and

16:54

not just having to sway the power. And

16:59

here it is, I mean a crucial

17:01

one indeed, as Tola wins

17:03

this, presumably not putting Anthony

17:05

or Lexus anywhere close to the

17:08

block, which means that one of

17:10

Bailey, Spicy, Avery,

17:14

or Todd should be leaving

17:16

this week. But of course, the primary

17:18

target that Tola would like to take

17:20

out is Avery. And

17:23

if the veto doesn't get

17:25

weird and get used to

17:28

save her, it seems like

17:30

Avery is the most likely

17:32

person to leave right now. But there is still

17:34

a lot of other intrigue. But

17:37

yes, this seems like the

17:39

immediate karma that hit Vivek

17:43

is now also potentially hitting Avery.

17:45

Yeah. Avery

17:48

is somebody who, when

17:51

the cast dropped, I was like, she is a

17:53

favorite of mine. She's who

17:55

I want to root for. And

17:58

the moment that Spicy and Anthony entered

18:01

the house and she was a

18:04

self-proclaimed spicy fan girl and just

18:07

fell all over herself for spicy. I was

18:09

like, okay, all right. Even

18:12

from volunteering as being a pawn and all that

18:14

stuff, I was like, come on Avery.

18:16

I'm like, push this. And she

18:18

would show some strategic chops. But

18:21

the first HLH, when she sent home that,

18:23

I was like, what?

18:27

I was like, but it's okay.

18:29

Let's keep it going. But after

18:31

this second HLH, I just cannot.

18:33

I'm firmly at, you

18:36

have done a stupid move in Big Brother.

18:38

Now I need you to immediately know that you

18:40

did a stupid move in Big

18:42

Brother. Honestly, because

18:44

you had Todd and Tola on

18:46

the block twice in back to

18:48

back weeks and you told them they were

18:51

your target and you let other

18:53

people talk you into targeting two

18:55

people who were not coming for

18:57

you at all. That

19:00

is your fault. And even if

19:03

that person was coming for spicy, or

19:05

even if that person was coming for

19:07

a doggy, or even if that person

19:09

was coming for Bailey, that is still

19:11

not Avery. She was not coming for

19:13

you. Kayla was not coming for you.

19:15

So getting rid of Kayla, especially now,

19:18

who would have been on the block with you? Probably

19:20

Kayla. Who's a bigger target than you? Kayla.

19:22

Kayla's gone now. Now you're on the

19:25

block, Max Bailey, you're the bigger target.

19:27

You deserve this. Because it

19:29

didn't make any sense.

19:31

It still doesn't. I don't care how

19:33

often she tries to talk herself into

19:35

it, making sense. It didn't make sense

19:38

for her personal gain. For Avery's personal

19:40

gain, sending Kayla out on

19:42

her HLH did not make sense.

19:44

And nobody can convince me

19:46

otherwise. And so now

19:48

that Tola has finally won a comp, because

19:51

he's been talking about how he's going to

19:53

win comps all season, it's

19:55

what she deserves, unfortunately. Now, I hope she goes

19:58

out there and wins a POV. Tola, and... and

20:00

everything? Yes, because I like chaos.

20:02

I'm not really rooting for anybody at this point.

20:05

But

20:09

it's just so frustrating

20:11

because I'm like, how did y'all

20:13

let this happen? How?

20:16

You were up, Spicy

20:18

Side was up like 7'4", and they

20:20

dropped the ball. I'm done. They

20:26

were up so much, but

20:29

there was so much unnecessary stuff happening, turning

20:31

their own allies against them. I

20:35

still feel like the move to target

20:37

Matt, they got to a point where

20:39

it became almost necessary because

20:41

of how alienating they had

20:43

been. But

20:46

that's what turns... They were like, oh, we'll get

20:48

rid of Matt and then Lexus will come to

20:50

us. No, that's

20:53

not how that works. It just

20:55

turned her and Anthony against you,

20:58

and got rid of a

21:00

shield and a potential ally. And

21:04

you did it in order to protect players

21:07

like Goose and Todd, people

21:10

who have no loyalty whatsoever

21:12

to specifically Avery

21:15

and Kayla. And

21:17

it's just like, why are

21:19

you playing into Bailey's hand

21:22

right now? Why

21:24

are you playing the game for Bailey?

21:28

It was a wild

21:31

series of decisions that eventually

21:33

end with... They got into

21:35

trouble after the Matt eviction on Movie

21:37

Night Massacre. Kayla wins that

21:39

veto and they're able to pull a fast one.

21:42

They're lucky that it was so fast, they didn't

21:44

have a chance to flip the vote on

21:46

Avery that week. They managed to squeak

21:48

by. And then they... And squeaking by

21:50

was what they needed because then they

21:52

had another chance. Like, okay, now we

21:54

won again, we have another chance to

21:56

set things right. And then

21:58

they fumbled. And then they... fumbled and

22:01

it was such an easy

22:03

call. Like Avery,

22:05

the person who were in her first HOH

22:07

week was like, sometimes the easy

22:09

move is the right move. And

22:12

it's just like, there was such an easy

22:14

move. It was like

22:16

laid up for literally two different people are

22:18

responsible for you being on the block. You

22:21

nominated both of them. One of them is

22:23

going to leave. Tola particularly is like somebody

22:25

that you have the numbers to take out

22:27

this week. Why do

22:29

anything different? Well,

22:31

it didn't need to be Lexus. It

22:34

certainly didn't need to be Kayla. Neither

22:36

of them were coming for you. They

22:38

had bigger things to deal with. Like,

22:40

what are you doing? It's

22:43

like that. It's that thing I feel like

22:45

where it's like, I guess it's like, it's

22:47

similar. It's a little different, obviously, but it's similar where

22:49

it's like, the people get more

22:51

mad at their own allies, seemingly do

22:54

something against them versus like the person

22:56

who's been against them the whole time.

22:59

It's like because it's like, well, I already knew

23:02

you were anti me, but my ally, I thought

23:04

you were my ally. Like even in this case,

23:06

it's like it's, it's not totally relevant because it's

23:08

like, people weren't doing stuff. It wasn't even

23:10

true. That's the thing. It's

23:12

like, it's not even like the person did something against

23:14

you. But I just feel like it's that same feeling

23:16

where it's like, well, I, I'm more mad at you

23:19

because I thought you were close to me. And so

23:21

it wasn't true. And even if it had

23:24

been true, it still wasn't the right move.

23:26

It just still doesn't matter. Yeah, that's the

23:28

thing. It just doesn't matter. And it's

23:30

just, it's just so bad. It's,

23:33

it's kind of like, it's sucky

23:35

because, you know, at the beginning it was

23:37

the whole girls alliance and all that. And

23:39

I was like, I was like excited about

23:42

that. I mean, obviously I shouldn't get my

23:44

hope about that ever about that, but it

23:46

just seemed so easy because it didn't like

23:48

the guys didn't really have it together. And

23:50

the girls really had it together. It was

23:53

like, it seemed like an easy move to be like,

23:55

okay, at least it's like we can make our own

23:57

alliances and do our own thing, but let's and

24:00

at least keep the girls protected or

24:02

try and avoid having girls go on the block or

24:04

try and if there's a girl versus a guy, like

24:06

let's get the guy out or whatever. It just seemed

24:08

like an easy background alliance that people could kind of

24:11

keep in their minds. And

24:13

yet the girls end up targeting

24:15

the girls. And so they're

24:17

targeting each other. They're just eating their own.

24:19

It just doesn't make any sense strategy wise.

24:21

Like you would think that you'd want this

24:23

safety net of like, okay, well, at least

24:25

if there's a girl, if I know if

24:27

I'm on the block, the girls at least

24:30

have my back. But now it's like, nobody

24:32

has anyone's box. Everyone's just all over the

24:34

place. It doesn't make any sense. And

24:36

I totally agree with what you said, Mari, where it was like,

24:39

when somebody makes a really dumb move, you want them

24:41

to like immediately feel that they made that dumb move.

24:43

Because I feel like if they wait too long, it's

24:45

like, well, it kind of loses out. They'll justify it,

24:47

yeah. Well, this was because of

24:49

other things I did. But it's like, if

24:51

the seconds they get out, it's like, yeah,

24:53

well, you shouldn't have made that dumb move

24:55

last week. So I'm okay with Avon Cohen,

24:58

honestly, even though she's on

25:00

my draft team. I was very excited about her, you

25:02

know, when she first came into the house, like Mari

25:04

said. But I just feel like, yeah,

25:07

ever since she just became

25:09

like, it seemed like she just was willing to

25:11

do whatever it took to just like be in

25:13

with Spicy and Anthony. And it

25:15

just felt like, not only just like kind

25:17

of like, I don't like that

25:20

very much. It's very Paul-esque and his

25:22

whole like cronies. I didn't, I don't

25:24

like that vibe. I want everyone to

25:26

kind of play for themselves. So yeah,

25:28

I just, I have not been loving the moves.

25:31

I mean, especially then you have all these dumb

25:33

moves being made and you're like, okay, that's fine.

25:35

She can go. So

25:37

yeah, I don't know, whatever. Yeah, if

25:40

Avery targeting Matt was kind of

25:42

like when Howie targeted James, Avery

25:45

targeting Kayla is like if

25:47

Howie had targeted Pacer.

25:50

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25:55

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25:57

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So that's where we are with

27:37

Kayla. She's going up on the

27:39

block with Kaylee. Avery. With

27:42

Avery. Avery is the target. Up

27:44

on the block with Avery. With Bailey.

27:50

You're such a sick wave. I keep

27:52

trying to think about the next sentence as I'm

27:54

speaking the version. So

27:59

the question... becomes, right?

28:01

Like, okay, let's assume the

28:03

nominations stay the same. The

28:05

votes that should

28:07

be there for Bailey to stay, the

28:09

guaranteed ones, you have Todd, and

28:12

then you just need one

28:15

of Spicy, Anthony, or Lexus.

28:17

Now, theoretically, hot chocolate,

28:21

if it were still in place, would

28:23

mean that they have those three votes

28:25

to save Avery over Bailey. The

28:29

problem is that, like, Avery

28:32

just took out a hot chocolate, the

28:34

most loyal hot chocolate member. So there's

28:39

not a lot of loyalty left there. But

28:42

there might be an argument and there

28:44

might be an expectation that those three

28:46

will vote to keep her. And

28:49

that could cause some interesting drama

28:51

slash tension slash we'll see. You

28:54

know, Spicy herself even, I feel

28:59

like it's hard to say, but like, obviously

29:01

Avery has been, I think, one of

29:03

Spicy's number one, maybe her

29:06

number one, number one, I would

29:08

assume the person she would want to take

29:10

to the final two. If not Anthony, I

29:13

still don't really fully know exactly what's going

29:15

on with that. But like,

29:17

if Spicy had her choice, she should want Avery

29:19

over Bailey and Todd. Bailey and Todd are more

29:21

of a duo. And

29:23

she's in a better spot with Avery for many

29:26

different reasons. However, the way

29:29

that I think Spicy tends to play the

29:31

game, I feel

29:33

like she might actually just let

29:35

Avery go, cut or lose. Because

29:38

if she cuts

29:41

Bailey, she'll be pissing

29:43

off Todd, or like

29:45

confusing Todd at the very least. And

29:48

she tries to please the most amount of people,

29:50

I think, at all times.

29:52

And so because there's kind of two people over

29:54

there, not to mention the fact that like, she'd

29:56

be upsetting Tola and a bunch of other not

30:00

sure she's actually going to want to stick her

30:02

neck out and try to convince Lexus or Anthony

30:04

to come with her to do this

30:06

move. But we'll see.

30:10

It does appear right now that if the

30:12

nominations stay the same, it's probably

30:14

Avery, but it's not impossible by

30:16

any for this vote. Let. Yeah.

30:20

Spicy. Spicy has been like, yes,

30:23

whatever. I don't care. I have no

30:25

untouchables. Like, let's go. I'm like, spicy.

30:29

Do you realize if Avery goes this week,

30:31

you went from having your your team of

30:33

three intact to now it's just you and

30:36

now, but maybe this is

30:38

what you want. You talked about it all

30:40

season, Karen, how Spicy loves to aggressively play

30:42

the middle. If Avery goes,

30:44

then that is the position that

30:47

she can now aggressively play between

30:49

Todd and Bailey and

30:51

Tola, Anthony and Lexus. She

30:53

she theoretically should be able

30:55

to squeak by and let those

30:58

two sides maybe toss missiles at

31:00

each other. But this house is just

31:02

way too unpredictable. Spicy

31:06

is way too unpredictable for

31:08

me to think that would

31:10

be a good situation

31:14

you want going into a final

31:16

six scenario. Because that's another thing

31:18

to consider. This is

31:20

not the beginning of the game. This is the end

31:22

game time. So it's cutting all

31:24

of your closest allies at

31:27

the end game the best route

31:29

because those people on those sides, if one

31:31

side starts winning over the other side, then

31:34

once they take out the one side, then are you

31:36

next? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's

31:39

a lot of things that I don't know

31:41

if Spicy really thinks

31:44

two to three steps ahead. And that's

31:46

why that's why Anthony just

31:49

has so much more. He's

31:51

just way ahead of most people because

31:54

you can tell that he is thinking

31:57

way more steps ahead, way more weeks ahead.

32:00

these people again probably because he's

32:02

he's done this in-game portion spicy

32:04

has not done this in-game portion

32:07

so I I think

32:09

she thinks her strength is going with

32:11

the flow in the moment which is true

32:14

but this is also big brother your

32:17

runway might run out for that you

32:20

know I'm saying if you don't set yourself up this

32:23

is about the time this middle in

32:25

game is where you should be setting yourself up

32:27

so that no matter what happens you're

32:30

going to the end and I don't

32:33

know if that's happening for spicy I feel like

32:35

that's slipping out of her fingers right now but

32:37

I don't know imagine me yes

32:40

now what's really

32:42

spicy about these drops

32:45

is that there

32:47

are some other potential options for

32:49

what might happen this week

32:52

obviously the veto could come into

32:54

play and whether

32:57

forced or not could be used

33:01

and then a replacement would have to be named

33:03

now Tola has implied

33:05

to basically said straight up to

33:07

both Todd and Lexus and actually

33:10

also Avery that Todd is likely

33:12

the person that would go up

33:14

on the block as a replacement

33:16

if he needed one however

33:22

Anthony might have

33:24

something to say about that over

33:28

the last few days prior to

33:30

the the week ending you know

33:33

prior to Kayla leaving Kola

33:35

has had some conversations

33:37

with Anthony Lexus has had some

33:39

conversations with Anthony they've been like

33:41

so who are we targeting Anthony

33:43

keeps kind of dropping like well

33:47

you can't keep your eye off of the

33:49

people that we thought we had and then

33:51

when it came down to it we didn't

33:55

and you know referring to spicy and

33:57

then it's straight up talks to Lexus

34:00

prior to the HOH competition

34:02

about how he said, Lexus, who's

34:05

Bailey's number one? Spicy. Who's

34:09

Avery's number one? Spicy.

34:12

That's a problem, he said. And

34:15

then post HOH competition, Tola

34:18

is the HOH and Anthony talking to

34:20

himself says, I could

34:22

do something really good this week, or

34:26

I could do something really bad this

34:28

week. And

34:32

I think there's definitely the thought

34:34

in Anthony's mind

34:37

that it might be time to cut

34:39

Spicy. And

34:44

it's, I think I'm

34:46

right with him in terms of like thinking, is it

34:48

the right time? I don't know, there's

34:51

definitely some downsides, but

34:55

it's also like there's a way to make it work.

34:58

So because of that, because I

35:00

can see a path, I assume that Anthony probably

35:02

does as well. And given

35:04

that he does, if the opportunity presents

35:07

itself, I do think there's a

35:09

pretty significant chance that it could happen, especially because

35:11

I don't think Tola will want to

35:13

have to cut Todd if he doesn't have to, they

35:15

have a bit of a relationship. I

35:18

don't think he's like specifically looking

35:20

to cut Spicy either, necessarily, I

35:22

think he does really want Avery

35:24

gone. But if Avery is

35:27

no longer an option, or if Anthony

35:29

just pushes hard enough, there's

35:31

an actual chance for the first time really in

35:34

the entire game, there's a

35:36

chance that one of the vets might actually leave this

35:38

week. And that's

35:41

the fact that it's even a possibility right now

35:44

is a dramatic downfall very

35:47

quickly from Spicy's position in the game

35:49

just a couple of weeks ago. It's

35:53

wild that we're even here and that it's even a

35:55

possibility. And the fact that we might wake

35:58

up on Monday morning and... and

36:01

you know, see Spicy's on the

36:03

block. Like

36:07

that's wild to me. And I feel

36:09

like it's like all her own doing, which is

36:11

kind of frustrating because she was in such a

36:14

good position. I just feel like the

36:17

worst position you could be in this

36:19

game is Spicy's ally. Like I just

36:21

feel like she's such a horrible ally.

36:23

She's constantly, like if you're her ally,

36:25

you're more likely to go home than

36:27

if you're her enemy. It's

36:30

wild. And so like, I

36:32

get it. Like Anthony, if I was Anthony, I

36:34

wouldn't trust her at all. And

36:37

she's given a lot of reasons for him not to trust her. She's

36:40

more of a liability than she is an

36:42

ally. So to me, like it would probably

36:44

make for an easier game to have her

36:46

go. At the same time,

36:48

you know, it's

36:51

like we're sitting here saying all along, like don't

36:53

get rid of your allies. What are you an

36:55

idiot? And then we're sitting here saying like, oh,

36:57

well maybe he should. But I do feel like

36:59

in this situation, like she's not

37:02

a loyal ally. She's certainly

37:04

not helpful to most

37:06

of her allied games. So

37:08

I don't think this is in the same ballpark

37:10

as like, you know, oh, well don't get rid

37:13

of your ally. And also it's not his HOH.

37:15

So like, you know, it's a little different, but

37:17

still. But also, but

37:19

yes, it's really bad to be

37:21

Spicy's ally unless you're Dougie

37:23

though. Because unfortunately what

37:26

we've seen and what

37:28

she said and what she's seen has, and

37:30

what we've seen have kind of lined up,

37:33

even though it's been in a very messy

37:35

way, everything she does is for

37:37

him. Like again, me and

37:39

Tana are saying, we don't know if that's

37:41

really her final two, but

37:43

her actions to me feel

37:46

like it's her

37:48

final two because she literally bends

37:50

the house to his will. Like,

37:53

like Emily is a great player. He's

37:55

a great player, but a lot of the

37:57

moves that he made this season, he had...

38:00

to go through Victoria to

38:02

make them because she had the power on

38:04

that side because it was her side who

38:06

was winning. And that

38:08

doesn't take away from what he

38:10

did. That means he knows the right

38:13

person to make what he wants happen.

38:15

And so Spicy herself has

38:18

been getting out people for him.

38:21

And I mean, and for Bailey,

38:23

definitely not for herself, because again, it's her

38:25

ally, she's taken out. But Spicy

38:28

has had a

38:30

really firm control on this game. So

38:33

her going out for

38:35

Dougie, I just don't know when

38:38

you still have Todd there, you still

38:40

have Bailey there. I know you

38:42

have a great relationship with Bailey. I

38:44

know you're swaying Todd, but you're

38:47

two loyal minions, Lexus and Tola, I get

38:49

it, you don't want to touch them. But

38:53

Spicy B is right there with them. If

38:56

you get rid of Avery, Spicy

38:58

has to either aggressively play the middle or

39:00

come over to your foursome. I

39:03

think that is the perfect scenario for Anthony.

39:05

For Anthony, a perfect scenario to

39:08

me would be to have him,

39:10

Lexus, Spicy, and Tola in

39:12

that final four because to

39:14

me and that configuration, there's

39:16

no way he's not seeing at least one of those

39:19

two seats. I don't see how he's not,

39:24

unless Lexus gets smart,

39:27

smartens up. But honestly, I

39:29

think to me, that guarantees him final

39:32

two in some way, shape, or form. Well,

39:34

yeah, I mean, I think the question is,

39:36

does it guarantee him the win, right? With

39:39

all of this stuff, the

39:41

fact that Spicy has been in

39:43

the power seat for so long, many

39:46

of the people in the jury house see

39:48

her as the driver of the game. And

39:52

losing Matt was really

39:54

devastating for his jury chances, because

39:57

he does not have his guy in

40:00

that jury house fighting

40:02

for him in the way that spicy has now hurt

40:04

people in there. And so,

40:06

you know, I think he's

40:09

probably concerned. I would assume he's concerned about

40:11

that. And, and

40:14

then, you know, like, I

40:17

can certainly see, like, if I'm if I'm

40:19

Anthony in that house, I

40:21

like I'm watching from outside. I'm

40:23

watching the daily drops. I'm watching the episodes.

40:25

I'm watching the diary rooms. And

40:27

I can't tell where

40:30

spicy's true loyalty is. Like, I can't

40:32

tell. I don't know what she will

40:34

do at almost any given time. If

40:37

I'm Anthony in the house, yeah. And

40:40

I have much less access to that

40:42

information. There's no way in the world

40:44

I would ever feel like I could

40:46

trust that she's actually sick of me.

40:48

Because yes, well, in some ways, she has

40:51

done things that have benefited me. The

40:53

Caleb move putting up goose in

40:55

the movie Night Massacre. And it's

40:57

Donna, like so many things she's

40:59

done. But then on the other hand, he

41:01

does have that one big example of what

41:04

she did, what she did to Matt, like

41:07

almost every single one of those weeks, she kept trying

41:09

to do the other thing, she kept trying to convince

41:11

me to do the other thing. And I had to

41:13

work hard at making sure she stuck to the thing

41:15

that was was supposed to happen. And

41:18

then it's like even even now, like, you

41:20

know, when we talked about the Lexus

41:22

move last week, could they backdoor Lexus, that

41:24

would be terrible move, you know, it would

41:26

really mess up a lot of things. And

41:29

then the Caleb move, is that even worse? Well, it's

41:31

definitely worse for Avery, but there's a way that

41:33

spicy could make it work. If she if she

41:35

really played this up to Anthony to be like,

41:37

Listen, this is the move for you. I'm loyal

41:39

to you. And I'm going to show it to you by

41:41

getting a by getting Caleb up on the block. Then

41:44

I think that like, that allows her to

41:46

maybe actually snow Anthony back into thinking

41:49

he can work with her long term.

41:51

But then again, I feel like the way that it played out,

41:54

it didn't really work that way. Anthony Again,

41:56

felt like he had to work very hard and

41:58

make up all these lies. And. Take

42:00

a lotta heat. Or. The Move. Met

42:03

and I and and you know, spicy never

42:05

even really that like I'm doing the species

42:07

like I'm doing it for me and and

42:09

Anthony like she did. or her that she's

42:11

a very selfish player. I imagine why she's

42:13

doing this. I had to manipulate her. And

42:17

then and then right away of course as soon

42:19

as the move one into when in life. Is.

42:22

By says factor old way she was trying

42:24

to thought you talking thought about like is

42:26

anybody take them that exotic Anthony? how are

42:28

you going it A shot of Anthony Bailey

42:30

are you gonna take started Anthony Met and

42:32

his dislike or like of course this is

42:34

like is not gonna not here I think

42:37

of itself. I so like I can definitely

42:39

a out again even from outside the house

42:41

and like I don't know that I would

42:43

want to just take that risk especially because

42:45

she's admitted to an issue than throwing com

42:47

Spiky at. Me and I

42:49

know she's a very after especially wouldn't listen

42:52

on. ah I'd be very worried about

42:54

her are winning bunch of and and stuff. So

42:57

if I'm thinking about. Could.

42:59

This move happen. I do still feel I agree

43:01

with you Mari I think there's a big risk.

43:04

To it. Because the easier move

43:06

bird the sort of safe for play. Is

43:09

to some degree. Is to

43:11

just let every go. And then

43:13

try to to just continue to work

43:15

the both sides. and the problem is

43:17

that spicy is so tight was odd

43:19

and Bailey I don't know that she

43:22

will feel like see ever needs to

43:24

cut them because she might. Feel.

43:26

Like Bailey will take her over. Odd and

43:28

even Odd Mighty. Or of the Bailey. Ah

43:31

man I don't know that's true, but I I

43:33

think. As by see might believe

43:35

it. Or and if that's if that's the

43:37

case, that and a dangerous. So.

43:40

So. Where's the world? Where it makes sense?

43:42

Ah well. what is? say? Aly

43:44

comes off the block. Spicy. Goes

43:46

up next to Avery. Now more

43:48

old. Bailey and Todd will

43:50

be trying to keep. Spicy

43:53

over a seen her in for bravery. Which.

43:55

Means. Anthony. And

43:57

Lexus if the come in and be like

43:59

listen. We're. Between Iraq

44:01

and a hard place of hot chocolate. But.

44:04

We're going to choose you over spicy A. Pre.

44:06

Match against the will of God and

44:09

Bailey who you want? Me

44:11

and Avery just doesn't have as

44:14

much of a connection to Todd,

44:16

merely as Spicy does. In. South.

44:19

And now Todd still feels like he needs to deal

44:21

with by his with every to some degree I and

44:23

and it's harder for that trio to get together and

44:25

you might have some full on a for. And

44:28

then the other side of it is

44:30

if every comes down Spicy goes up,

44:33

she's up against Bailey Will Now it's

44:35

odd trying he Bailey. Ah and and

44:37

the like this get to side with

44:39

tired and Bailey against Spicy. Like.

44:42

And Anthony can go to daily be like listen,

44:44

I told you I've always been with you, I've

44:46

already been working with you and he been you

44:48

over spies even though she's my girl. Like a

44:50

guy you met and in a very going to

44:52

want to be frantic, eat spicy and again you

44:54

can play them off each other potentially. So.

44:58

There's a world where that works

45:00

and with spicy like this, big

45:02

wild card. very strong social player

45:04

gone. You know, It's.

45:07

It's it's feel. very playable from that point.

45:09

it's a little more dangerous because. You.

45:12

Know once you break that seal with the

45:14

returning players, Broken. Ankle.

45:16

Back. By adds

45:18

up. With just. As

45:20

long as nothing really bad happens with pump

45:23

outcomes. You're. Probably looking at like a

45:25

pretty decent spy, especially because. The.

45:27

Spicy. Gonna freeze up. A lot of people who

45:29

are. Only. Bringing spicy to the final do.

45:32

As well. So I

45:34

have a again. it's riskier. But.

45:36

There's a way to make it work. and Anthony is the

45:39

kind of guy that tends to be able to make things

45:41

work. so. I do think it's

45:43

a serious possibility. But.

45:46

Either way, this has been a massive

45:48

when France. I mean Omagh.

45:50

Getting this when taking a shot I

45:52

it means that even if the other

45:54

side wins next week with which it

45:56

probably well. Why?

45:58

Would they? Why? would. Take the shot it no matter

46:01

what. Have you know? He is

46:03

the weakest competitor of the three whole

46:05

Alexis and Anthony you'd absolutely be taking

46:07

started Zola or Lexus Earth. And.

46:10

That's mostly fine, you know,

46:12

especially spicy. Ah south.

46:15

In. L A or A for is gone

46:17

so I. This. Was a

46:19

huge huge results for sure I end

46:21

up militia what he what are you

46:23

thoughts on. Yeah, I mean

46:25

I totally agree. I think like. I

46:28

think he could go either way, but I think

46:30

that like Anthony. Is. In a

46:32

decent Spy and I think that if.

46:35

Is. A results on his face. He goes on

46:37

that I don't see that really like. Assessing

46:41

Anthony's game in such a way that

46:43

he they could night out of. I

46:45

mean. To be a un Either way. Yeah,

46:47

Like that's the thing is, I think

46:49

that it doesn't really matter as I

46:51

think. He can make it work, whatever

46:53

whatever way it is like a he's gonna come

46:56

out on top I think he said you know

46:58

that's just the way he plays. On.

47:01

And and I think to me. I'd

47:04

probably prefer first a fetus day this

47:06

week. I guess that it would be

47:08

a big move by. just ran like

47:11

a viewing perspective. I guess a lot

47:13

of people are kind of over the.

47:16

Chaotic mess of her and just kind

47:18

of like it's too much. but you

47:20

know I don't mind it. I I

47:22

think I prefer that over someone who's.

47:25

Just. Like making bad moves because they're just

47:27

the kind of following along and that's kinda

47:29

how I feel a breezy. I feel like

47:31

I've been lingering negative on every with sex

47:33

I don't know that necessarily justified to they

47:35

really don't know what's going on. Fights ah

47:37

he. Now you feel like. as

47:39

he just kind of boring to me.

47:42

especially like it's also like their. Village.

47:45

In the arrogance about it like the like I'm

47:47

doing, I'm really good at the same making their

47:50

own lives and the reason why you're going on

47:52

the block as because of your own false. but

47:54

it's like. You're

47:56

making bad move. These are bad news is

47:58

it doesn't have their own followers. You shouldn't

48:00

be putting them up on the lot of

48:02

the birthplace of new I'm going over there

48:04

are so I'm okay with a very going

48:06

to get. I guess that it would be

48:08

like a big flashy moves as it's I

48:10

see go to speak by. You

48:13

know, whoever? I mean life. Like

48:15

term said, his sister is not it right now

48:17

on the. Jobs or eighth we're doing

48:19

is still just said inkling him. Anthony's

48:22

ahead for right now. Right now I'm

48:24

afraid if we're going off a what

48:26

we're seeing I guess Tola. Is.

48:29

Telling. Lexus. That

48:32

taught as the Replacements He's telling todd.

48:34

Oh I have a backdoor plan but I

48:36

don't know if that's true as he just

48:38

not feeling tired. but he also. Kind of hinted

48:40

to thought that he might have to go up. At

48:42

some point too. So it's like for

48:44

me I was like okay otherwise. Now

48:47

policy and Assad. Is

48:49

Anthony pushes and. Slice he

48:51

finds a way up. There are some the happened to

48:53

the veto. Is is it is

48:55

what it is The though and I

48:57

think what's more. Very interesting

48:59

From the stop is like Anthony

49:02

promising safety to Bailey. And

49:04

like sounding very convincing of it.

49:07

like. I'm. Wondering what

49:09

his idea. Is there? Because

49:11

he really is was promising her safety

49:13

this week wasn't You know what? These.

49:15

Clips: They're putting her on twitter of

49:17

them like learning or not, flirting or

49:20

whatever like and did you? We believe

49:22

that. I really believe in

49:24

relationships for the for the run out

49:26

and will the board. Bizarre. but there's

49:28

definitely chemistry. Play Guys A guy. The

49:31

guy think everyone sees it. The I.

49:34

I I would enjoy watching their little

49:36

A Flirtation flag as into a when

49:38

I was seeing the clips of it

49:41

he now has ever been released right?

49:43

The Navy not the that's why we're

49:45

doing now I do her. I like

49:47

the legs as. Ribbon. Each

49:50

other sort of Southworth like a flirty but

49:52

off as as a dancer south yeah I

49:54

could get on. Board with that if they both

49:56

said in. A fruitless

49:58

is up. Yeah I

50:00

think said some I'd I think said

50:02

Anthony plans to keep a we regardless

50:04

of replaced. I think that that's probably

50:06

where that's coming from are also fraud

50:08

is worth like you know toll a

50:10

kind of pulled him into the room.

50:13

To. Be like. Is. Says it's

50:15

always telling bailey like were. Ah,

50:17

I have to put you up and

50:19

she wasn't concerned. And brought up many

50:22

concerns and he was used to be like and

50:24

they come in your obvious tell her you're gonna

50:26

keep her no matter what race lie and ran

50:28

into the yes. I'm. But I do

50:30

think I assume that Anthony's plan would

50:32

be. Sad you know they leave

50:35

or savory a breeze the target. Is

50:38

spicy goes up to be back toward

50:40

spices the target. If Toddlers up

50:43

as a replacement, I think he would

50:45

still probably take out. Odd over Bailey.

50:48

And. Is that the right move? Probably

50:53

around I could really could go either way

50:55

That point he has a better relationship with

50:57

Bailey. she's probably less likely to target him.

51:00

The.is by Bally's tighter with a very and

51:02

space so like. As.

51:04

You could go either way. By

51:06

the but I think that he know at the very least

51:08

you've got to get in on the ground floor and is

51:11

make sure the seats ellinger like or suffice. Is.

51:13

She's probably going to stay in so. You.

51:16

Want to make sure he has no doubts about that? And.

51:18

You get a credit net usher. In

51:21

just like as an overarching point like I.

51:24

I. Feel like. As. Much as

51:26

were like oh I don't like it

51:29

when people are making these done lives

51:31

or ever and they're targeting their allies

51:33

like I do appreciate this more than

51:35

I would appreciate says one dominant a

51:38

lion. Marching their way, To

51:40

the ending getting huge numbers out one by

51:42

one. Like at least this way it's like

51:44

we don't know what's gonna happen next to

51:46

get sick and it's not gonna be necessarily

51:48

the best move for your day. And it

51:50

could be the worst movie or games and

51:52

we have no clue what can happen. So

51:54

I admittedly don't live in isolated, live here

51:57

and then up below that and terms of

51:59

my liking it. It would be a season

52:01

were under damage. Alliance is marches at the

52:03

end so. Add take that the well

52:05

I guess I think. Woods made it

52:08

work. The season is that.

52:11

Like Anthony and spicy have been

52:14

obvious, even like the primary drivers

52:16

of the action. But

52:19

like when you watch Big Brother unit you, you

52:21

don't I mean there's a real Giroux for the

52:23

underdog. Like. The roof of the people who are

52:25

not in power. And there's

52:28

like there's there's a majority. There's

52:30

minority. The majority being in power

52:32

doing power things not as fun

52:34

to watch not is under root

52:36

for. So the

52:38

weird way that the season got structured is that

52:40

Spicy has the majority in the powers is winning

52:42

all the com Super size me all the com.

52:45

And Anthony is. Like.

52:48

Weirdly in the minority spot even

52:50

though together they form a supermajority

52:52

Been like they've been competing in

52:54

this weird where Where it's where

52:57

it is. This, like. Proxy

52:59

War where he is in

53:01

the underdog position. And

53:04

then. When. He's having

53:06

to make these moves like convincing Viva the

53:08

targets in is convincing. Every

53:10

to target Kayla like he's

53:12

coming at it from. A.

53:15

An underdog. Spot.

53:17

Even though he is like the old

53:19

the mid over.like is no were like

53:21

so it's all like he I think

53:23

what be what occurs is that we

53:25

have this weird sort of juxtaposition of.

53:28

A dominant returnee season where

53:30

there is being dominant. But

53:33

it's still kind of fun and interesting as like

53:35

why is that he's been analysis and I think

53:37

it's it's I think it's this. I think that

53:39

is because. Of the way

53:41

that they they structured it out that like

53:43

Anthony is kind of playing from behind the

53:45

last more interesting and then on the flipside.

53:48

Spicy. In. The majority.

53:52

Yeah. I see

53:55

if is is a lot of the

53:57

players. Yeah. It

54:00

a guy it's it's like it's like

54:02

when Surrey was running Big Brother twenty

54:04

five it's like sure she's here are

54:06

seeing it but like every single week

54:08

is all process for yes yes they

54:10

are reminded me of all her jazz

54:13

or big brother to if I were

54:15

like wow this is a good for

54:17

three day but guess what he says.

54:21

Yes now is that today? Well I

54:23

think you're totally right is a feeling

54:25

it's like why is this different from

54:27

just like. Anthony. And basically

54:30

just dominating. And I think that is

54:32

what it is is like yes, like

54:34

spicy in like a majority lion that

54:36

they're making bizarre moods and Anthony is

54:38

like orchestrating from behind or as and

54:41

hundred from an underdog position. All these

54:43

wacky move and it ends up being

54:45

like. Very. Confusing.

54:47

And very unpredictable. and I

54:49

feel like it's the unpredictability

54:51

that can be like. At

54:54

least kind of exciting as it is

54:56

nice. I mean if you're certainly

54:58

not watching the season to the like masterful

55:00

de se but like if you are watching

55:02

it to be like what the heck is

55:05

going on and so I guess as to

55:07

yell at least something interesting. So we are

55:09

that. I. Do I do think and

55:11

you know it might be a little premature because

55:13

we're about and to the and game and things

55:15

could really slow down from here and. By.

55:18

It's ah but this does feel like

55:20

do like he could have been. Like.

55:24

You know, like an upper half at least sees like

55:26

this is. this is I am. Very.

55:28

Fond I think in terms of the events

55:30

in the way the game is played out.

55:33

I'd the same of course is that we don't

55:35

have. The my that leads out

55:37

we don't know the community is

55:39

you know on my head hurt

55:41

themselves. Ah Mizuno. So it's like

55:43

you know if if this was

55:45

a proper season show. Ah I

55:47

feel like we've I feel like we feel

55:50

really good. I feel we would feel like.

55:53

You know that they really fun. Yeah,

55:55

yeah, married. And

55:57

is is is interesting because like last season.

56:00

I like laugh even was like fourth. Or

56:03

fifth book with the sad of that way

56:05

that I think I. Think what it was

56:07

it in I guess. Like he said, we'll see

56:09

Terrence. Were still have an Aunt Worm

56:12

like different. People are winning competition

56:14

so that's that's that's why

56:16

I leave. Like listing the

56:18

enjoyable part of the season

56:20

for it and it would

56:22

honestly so funny watching. People win

56:24

competitions a o a black who

56:27

arrives also won the competition. So.

56:29

That means all of my face or say

56:31

this week and then again you go to

56:33

sleep in the wake up you like oh

56:35

my God has given the I said i've

56:37

ever done that. At

56:40

least it's like still a different broken at

56:42

least. You. Know when I getting one

56:44

person has. Taught. Last bus your

56:46

pi one from final eight was a

56:48

final it a final mine off by

56:50

so at you know. Not

56:53

now. How would I give it's

56:55

been so good I like in

56:57

been the women have the women

56:59

hamlet dominating the competitions I think.

57:01

You would like equitable com

57:03

and. It feels like. Turn.

57:07

Off. The. Pill.

57:09

V has been used a lot this season.

57:13

Yes, I think so do the couple things here.

57:16

One. is be of the stuff I think

57:19

Feds, The. First introduced the rules of

57:21

the age which doesn't play in season seven.

57:23

Admit where we saw that it almost

57:26

never use and ah and it is

57:28

the most dominant the you know of.

57:30

Big. Brother can add to that point and so.

57:33

I think some of the reaction was like. It

57:36

this backfire. By. A guy is

57:38

the age wait isn't able to win the

57:40

veto? Is that part of why the age

57:42

Wages didn't get as big of a target

57:45

on their backs? Because they weren't winning as

57:47

many officials all again and Adam like when

57:49

so much. but nobody's ever arguing that. However,

57:52

I think that over time

57:55

even more seasons More examples.

57:57

ah i think it's played out pretty well i

57:59

think that like, I think we're seeing

58:01

a lot of veto usage primarily because

58:04

the HOH is not playing. I think

58:06

that's a large part of why that's

58:08

happening. In addition to that,

58:10

I think that,

58:14

you know, prior

58:16

to the live feed

58:19

stuff, Big Brother

58:21

Canada was a bit more reactive to

58:23

like feedback. And

58:25

they had been doing things that were

58:28

improving the quality of the show, like

58:30

towards season 10, nine

58:33

and 10, really, which were like pinnacles, I think

58:35

of like different and different kinds of

58:37

pinnacles, but pinnacles of what what the show can

58:39

put out. And it, it

58:42

feels like and I've been hesitant to say it because I don't

58:44

want to like, you know, jinx

58:46

it, I don't want to be like, I

58:48

don't want to say it too early. And

58:50

then all the end game comps are won

58:52

by the same person. Like, so far, it

58:54

seems like they might have been paying attention

58:57

and they might be trying harder to make

58:59

things more equitable. And that and that comes

59:01

in a couple different forms. Because, you know,

59:03

a lot of these competitions would

59:06

still probably not be considered super

59:08

equitable. If, you know,

59:11

Felicia and Sarri were playing, right? Like,

59:14

like, at the end of the day, like that is the

59:16

reality of it. So when

59:18

we talk about equitable comps, it's not

59:20

just the comps themselves. It's also like

59:22

the makeup of the cat, the

59:25

very athletic cat. And

59:27

even the quote unquote, older players

59:29

were very physically fit and capable

59:32

of, you know, doing

59:34

what was needed in the various

59:36

competitions. And so, like, I

59:38

think that's one of the takeaways that we

59:40

should take away from this season, which is

59:42

that, like, you

59:45

just have to design the comps around your cast. And

59:48

I don't want that to mean that

59:50

we're not able to cast a Sarri

59:53

or a Felicia. I think that we should have those

59:55

because like, what would 25 have been without? But

1:00:01

I think if you do cast them,

1:00:03

casting should be working, not

1:00:06

working with necessarily, but the

1:00:08

comp department should be working on

1:00:10

the competitions with full

1:00:13

knowledge of who is going to be

1:00:15

competing in those competitions and designing them

1:00:18

based around that information. And

1:00:21

so whether it was intentional or not, because it might not

1:00:23

have been, it might just be the way

1:00:25

the cast show and that this time around the competitions

1:00:28

happen to be favorable

1:00:30

for most of the cast. But

1:00:33

however it happened, it's been good

1:00:35

so far that everyone seems to

1:00:37

be fairly capable of winning various

1:00:41

kinds of competitions. I

1:00:46

still see some patterns, Vito's

1:00:49

being a little more physical, HOH is

1:00:51

being less so, that

1:00:54

I are still worrying, especially

1:00:56

like we don't have a cast like

1:00:58

this, but I'm

1:01:00

happy. I'm happy with it. It's been definitely

1:01:03

a relief after like last

1:01:06

year of casting. Like

1:01:11

all right, all right, we get it. Totally,

1:01:15

I absolutely agree. Okay,

1:01:19

so that's where we are. The

1:01:23

next thing is this Vito competition

1:01:25

and what might happen with it.

1:01:29

I would assume that

1:01:31

if Todd wins the Vito, he's using it

1:01:33

on Bayley. I

1:01:36

think he did talk to Spicy

1:01:38

like what happens. Okay,

1:01:40

so I guess it's worth talking about. Todd

1:01:43

had a conversation with Spicy where they were like, what happens

1:01:45

if the Vito is used? And

1:01:47

Todd recognizes that if he uses the Vito that Spicy might

1:01:49

go up. I will go home. And

1:01:52

so Todd did say like, well,

1:01:54

does that mean that we should win it and not use it

1:01:56

and just make sure we have the votes to keep Bayley? That

1:02:00

is a possibility, but I would assume Bailey

1:02:02

would have something to

1:02:04

say. So, you

1:02:06

know, Will Todd used it on

1:02:08

Bailey? Maybe. But he's probably the most

1:02:10

likely person to use it on Bailey. And

1:02:14

then Spicy isn't

1:02:17

quite the predicament. If

1:02:19

Spicy wins, both of them will

1:02:21

expect her to use the veto on them. And

1:02:26

she should. And then get taught up on

1:02:28

the block. Why not? Which

1:02:32

one? That

1:02:36

kind of puts her in a rough spot. So she might

1:02:38

want to not win so that she's not in that position,

1:02:40

but she can't not win because she's a

1:02:42

potential bad-goer target. So

1:02:45

quite the predicament there. And

1:02:47

then really anybody else at

1:02:50

that point is like, okay,

1:02:52

if Lexus or

1:02:54

Anthony wins this, are

1:02:57

they going to use it to take a bigger shot? And

1:03:00

that I think if they used it, the bigger shot would

1:03:02

be Spicy. So

1:03:04

we'll see. Oh

1:03:07

boy. We shall see. Oh

1:03:10

boy, indeed. All

1:03:12

right. Anything else that we should talk through

1:03:14

before we wrap up here? Nothing for me.

1:03:17

That's about it. I think we

1:03:19

covered it. Yeah.

1:03:22

Well, stay tuned. The

1:03:24

plan is to be back on Wednesday after

1:03:27

the double eviction. Yeah.

1:03:31

Double eviction, which

1:03:34

is big. In

1:03:37

terms of how that

1:03:40

impacts the game, it

1:03:42

just means that the drops prior to

1:03:44

the eviction will matter more because

1:03:47

I would say as of right now, Anthony is

1:03:49

less likely to leave in

1:03:54

a double than he would be in a full week of games

1:03:57

because nobody's thinking about targeting him. would

1:04:00

want to target him when there are bigger targets

1:04:02

like Lexus and Sola in front

1:04:04

of him. With a full week of

1:04:06

gameplay, you might start thinking, hmm,

1:04:09

do I actually have a relationship with Sola?

1:04:12

Is Anthony really the one who knocks? But

1:04:16

in a double, there's just not enough time to really

1:04:18

think that through, I think. But

1:04:22

if they start talking about it prior to the double,

1:04:24

then it might be the opposite. He doesn't have time

1:04:26

to get himself out of it. If they're like, well,

1:04:28

if it's a double, should we target Anthony? Then

1:04:31

he might be a goner. I think

1:04:34

somebody mentioned the double somewhere.

1:04:37

They thought that this

1:04:40

past Wednesday when Kayla was evicted might be a double.

1:04:43

I assume they will assume that this next one

1:04:45

must be, since they were expecting it previously.

1:04:47

Well, the only other thing...

1:04:51

Did you see the deleted scene where

1:04:53

the cast thinks there's a back row

1:04:55

curse? Yes, Tola has been talking

1:04:57

about the back row curse. In

1:05:03

fact, when they talked about targets,

1:05:06

they were like, so we're finishing off the back row, right? Oh

1:05:09

my God. I know. Kayla

1:05:15

is not in the back row. I

1:05:18

do not count Kayla as in the back row. Listen,

1:05:21

if you're standing with a group of people and

1:05:23

one of them is sitting on the couch and

1:05:25

you're standing behind the couch, you're not going to

1:05:27

be like, yeah, Kayla's in my row. No,

1:05:31

I agree. I guess.

1:05:33

Sorry, it's like, I don't know.

1:05:37

But listen, I'll take it as the

1:05:39

only surviving curse. It

1:05:41

definitely still has the most legs. But

1:05:44

I think we're reaching a little... Tola

1:05:46

threw it off. She threw off the curse,

1:05:48

the draft curse, and she threw off the

1:05:50

back row curse. Very,

1:05:54

very sad. Who

1:05:56

do you have left, Mica? Where are you? I

1:05:59

have Avery. and Todd.

1:06:02

Okay, Avery and Todd and

1:06:04

and Iman has Lexus and

1:06:07

I have everyone else.

1:06:10

Everybody else. I

1:06:12

like Lexus. I think she has a

1:06:14

good shot of winning somehow, some way,

1:06:17

like if she makes it to the end. So

1:06:20

Lexus is interesting. She

1:06:23

said in her goodbye message to Kayla and I don't know

1:06:26

how true it is. She said, I still plan to

1:06:28

go to the end with women. Like I

1:06:31

still go plan for a final two with women. Goodbye

1:06:34

message. Which if true is

1:06:37

a good goodbye message. If not true

1:06:39

makes her look like she either failed

1:06:41

or lied. Right. But

1:06:44

then the problem is if true, which woman

1:06:47

because Lexus versus

1:06:49

Bailey? I don't think

1:06:52

so. Lexus versus Spicy? Definitely not. Lexus

1:06:54

versus Avery? Maybe, but Avery might be about

1:06:57

to leave. Sure.

1:06:59

So I'm a little concerned

1:07:01

about Lexus jury vote wise. She's also

1:07:04

one of the bigger targets heading into

1:07:06

this double eviction.

1:07:08

And odds aren't

1:07:10

great. Even with taking out Lexus

1:07:12

or even Spicy, the next

1:07:15

HOH competition will be probably

1:07:17

something like Todd,

1:07:20

Bailey and Spicy competing

1:07:23

against Anthony

1:07:25

and Lexus. Anthony

1:07:28

may or may not be throwing either

1:07:31

way. He doesn't have the greatest

1:07:33

track record, which means it's kind

1:07:35

of like three on one. And

1:07:38

odds are pretty good. Something

1:07:40

like that. And Spicy is normally really good at the

1:07:42

boost cops. Yeah.

1:07:45

So a, like

1:07:48

a hit might be

1:07:50

taken between Tola and Lexus.

1:07:52

And more eyes are still right

1:07:54

now on Lexus. That might change

1:07:56

with toll as the HOH. So

1:07:59

he just One I do. I

1:08:01

dislike Lexus. I just will. I do too. Yeah.

1:08:06

But I. Will say. Is.

1:08:08

That so we have for you. It's

1:08:11

an ice. Will be back Some will

1:08:13

eviction coming. It's so we'll see, We'll

1:08:15

see where all this goes. By. Says

1:08:18

we have free for now as they soon. I'll.

1:08:20

Be live on Twitch watching episodes.

1:08:23

That in the double that and will be quite quite

1:08:25

the ride on now on Wednesday will watch Survivor and

1:08:27

and. And. The a better candidate below the.

1:08:31

By Die. In the meantime check out

1:08:33

the interview I did with a loss

1:08:35

and Ross doing circle coverage. Circle was

1:08:37

very on this week, a shop or

1:08:40

four episodes. Of. The latest season

1:08:42

the Ai player. Or interesting.

1:08:44

Though. I check out our coverage

1:08:46

of bats and yeah, or though,

1:08:48

what? what? what? What are you

1:08:51

up to? Nothing. And

1:08:53

physicists are nothing but I won't name

1:08:55

that. You know if if you if

1:08:57

every gets out this leads and you're

1:08:59

interviewing her it's he needed to like.

1:09:02

what? Rethinking. My. Would

1:09:04

likely have you know I

1:09:06

I just I had the

1:09:08

saw recently to like. Yeah

1:09:11

I was. I was watching like a in interview

1:09:13

podcast on on you tube and I was like.

1:09:15

The. Interviews of this podcast. Act

1:09:18

like they're aliens like then they. I

1:09:20

Have you ever watch a podcast like

1:09:22

this where like the interviewer acts like

1:09:24

they don't understand anything in the world.

1:09:26

ah you know to me yeah like

1:09:28

a new things that the kids like.

1:09:30

It's weird I knew I was like that's why

1:09:33

I like I would have trouble doing that. but

1:09:35

then I thought wait a minute. That's kind of

1:09:37

what I have to you when I interviewed your.

1:09:39

And like I'm not alone Your Korea yet

1:09:41

all I have to act like I like

1:09:44

I can't let them know anything that I

1:09:46

know that the act like I have no

1:09:48

know anything our home forgot about the. I

1:09:50

wanted to see like why like well

1:09:52

even in a way that he's it.

1:09:54

As if that site maybe just like

1:09:56

very sad panda sex slavery things like

1:09:58

seven. Months. That's my life

1:10:00

on the question I want to ask.

1:10:04

And I don't know that would make it through, but is

1:10:06

is something along the lines of like. In

1:10:08

your goodbye message to Kayla you said

1:10:11

the turning on your alliance is are

1:10:13

you add names. On.

1:10:15

Your a two way to

1:10:17

send me a linesman exclusive.

1:10:20

Ah, they are you even. Played

1:10:23

in his life and gathered is settling

1:10:25

to realize that like oh yeah does

1:10:28

so like san a way that says

1:10:30

very like I'm just stating the facts.

1:10:33

You targeted so that they you literally to

1:10:35

be like. Okay here, just the

1:10:37

backstage lady days into that. Either.

1:10:39

By message you said that the biggest

1:10:41

mistake you make a big brother I

1:10:44

is targeting your your own eyes. On.

1:10:47

Your age awaits you. Target and Selling

1:10:49

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a second son South. Discuss

1:10:54

his biggest news

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agency. Device you're nice

1:10:58

weigh in on their you

1:11:00

lose putting too bad together.

1:11:04

On her arms includes an

1:11:06

isolated do I honestly didn't

1:11:08

know. I do

1:11:11

try to take theirs is or what i did was

1:11:13

i when i when i like watched of are a

1:11:15

part of the they were interview. And then

1:11:17

immediately followed it up by watching the

1:11:19

dentist interview another. I'm to different people

1:11:21

with a high number know where you

1:11:24

have you because. Their journeys you can

1:11:26

I think the jury pool whatever but will

1:11:28

it is it is difficult sometimes. They even

1:11:30

was like the like earth interesting number Julie

1:11:32

Chen interviewing that it's I. I

1:11:34

want them to like safe and sometimes and

1:11:36

I knew it he now do. They had

1:11:38

a man. With a way he they

1:11:41

let me tell you Orissa does not follow the

1:11:43

same rules I'm supposed. To

1:11:46

sees as a lot more net I'd I

1:11:48

had. I try to take a theory like

1:11:50

I lay, the last thing I want to

1:11:52

do like actually influence know my god and

1:11:55

now that would be terrible and ah yeah

1:11:57

now I do one I like. We want

1:11:59

the question. The be and or know why

1:12:01

it out against. Their response is then I also

1:12:03

feel like. When. They get to

1:12:05

the and it is like this show is over

1:12:07

and then you ask is it's kind of like

1:12:09

it's a it's a totally different answer because now

1:12:12

they know like oh this is what the public

1:12:14

opinion bar that this is what it is you

1:12:16

end up winning so it makes sense. Father bought

1:12:18

like if they soon as they change their answer

1:12:20

but I want to know exactly like when you

1:12:22

get out of the how's that was when you

1:12:24

get out how do to your own like smith

1:12:27

that. A. Waiter.

1:12:29

Or waitress us here. Why are you thinking

1:12:31

it wise? You do it before they can

1:12:33

get the influenced by like public opinion. About

1:12:36

a I added a Lutheran. This

1:12:39

is the more you what are

1:12:41

you have to? Well I was

1:12:43

just on an amazing episode of

1:12:45

Married at First Sight with i'm.

1:12:47

Asian Jason the episode of.

1:12:49

Mayor for site itself was not amazing but

1:12:52

we had a lot of fun talking about

1:12:54

it so are you can go check that

1:12:56

out on the wrong her the parker you

1:12:58

to see and on the of love at

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first sight seed of course every to the

1:13:02

news here carotene bring to come to this

1:13:04

to or. A T P coming up

1:13:06

next week. We're going into episode

1:13:08

one hundred. And one and we

1:13:11

are. Talking to or guess Rebecca

1:13:13

the way about what Jennifer did

1:13:15

it's like the number one movie

1:13:17

on Netflix I now have to

1:13:19

climb documentary of. We had a

1:13:21

very late really fun discussion about

1:13:23

it on crime scene so disco

1:13:25

to run has a website that

1:13:27

my mother hey I need the

1:13:29

Ai charges. As or

1:13:31

line. Or heard about that for out

1:13:33

learn different what Jennifer did as. It

1:13:35

were a matt. Smith. Added seen it but

1:13:38

there. Is a like an Ai image of.

1:13:41

Like person. From

1:13:44

the crime that was like a fake

1:13:46

images on the. scarcely trying to make her

1:13:48

look like lead smiley and happy before the

1:13:50

crime was committed is and like it turns

1:13:52

out like this is holding your p sounds

1:13:54

like there's and the day zoom then and

1:13:56

it was like not a real hand on

1:13:59

each wine and And there was like another AI

1:14:01

image where it was like not a real hand. We

1:14:04

talked about it. It was very

1:14:06

interesting. Like not the AI version of

1:14:08

it, but just the direction of it

1:14:11

of how they unraveled the case and

1:14:14

how they wanted to use a lot

1:14:16

of like just interrogation

1:14:18

footage and just use more of that than anything

1:14:22

else. So it was a great discussion.

1:14:24

It was, and it was a long one. So go

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check that out. We're

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currently on hiatus for the wrestling rehab up

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on maternity leave. I know for a fact

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Me and Chappelle over on the recap kickback have

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so fun over there just talking about whatever

1:15:20

the, whatever Chappelle wants to talk about. This

1:15:23

week we just dropped our review

1:15:25

of good times black again. It's

1:15:27

an animated reboot of the good

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time show. It's very,

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fun, us and Ty talking

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about good times black again. Some

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very good discussions to be had this week. So

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check me out on Twitter at Mari talks too

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much. That's too like the number two and I'll

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post all. of my

1:16:02

podcast. Again, I will be going on

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maternity leave in like two weeks. But

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still follow me on Twitter because I'll still

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tweet. I can see the baby

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and tweet at the same time. So that will be

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where you can get all my hot takes and opinions

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for at least a good mom. So that's it for

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me. All right.

1:16:20

Well, of course, follow Melissa. It's Melissa. Oh,

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with three A's. Can

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I add any A's? No.

1:16:28

Keeping it. That's

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what we have for you. Thank you so much for joining us and we

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will see all of you.