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Welcome back to another episode of Big Money Energy

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where we talked to super successful and

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self made people to find out exactly

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how they did it, how they went from nothing

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to something. Today, I am joined by

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none other than Kirk Meyer's Dog

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Pound Jim. We talked about a lot of

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different things the creation of

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the brand, but his story is

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so interesting. Dog Pound is a really, really

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cool and real time

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example of how you take an

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industry that has existed for a long time.

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You're not reinventing the wheel.

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What you're doing is you're bringing that personal

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experience to the forefront

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and making it about the absolute

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best customer service. Now let's get into

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it. Welcome to another episode.

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Take me back to like personally. So you're

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born in Missouri,

1:00

yes, good coal? Yeah, Kansas City,

1:02

Missouri, Yes, so

1:04

one there and I lived there until

1:07

it was thirty. Actually, so

1:10

I love Kansas City. Uh, other

1:12

than the Chiefs, I actually don't like the

1:15

Chiefs. Was kind of ironic, summeraders

1:17

Van, But I do love Kansas City. Did

1:19

you did you go to college? Yes? So

1:22

I went to the first school I went through was

1:25

very hard to get into. It's called Blue

1:27

River Community College. Not

1:30

a lot of applicants, No,

1:32

So I mean it was just community college. So

1:34

like, basically I made terrible grades in high school, barely

1:37

graduated for the most part, and then I made

1:39

straight a's and community college. So

1:42

so then I got a scholarship to go to

1:44

a four year school. Since I graduated

1:46

from University of Missouri Kansas

1:49

City, it's

1:53

like two thousand and two or

1:55

three, because I got sick during

1:57

that time period. So it's kind of all

2:00

vague and kind of yeah, that's kind of a

2:02

blur at times. So what do you want

2:04

to do when you graduated? I was originally going

2:06

to be an elementary teacher, so

2:09

my dad's elementary principle. My

2:11

mom used to be a teacher. I just wanted to do

2:13

something that was rewarding. So I

2:15

had worked at like this after school program

2:18

like part time, like when I was in high school,

2:21

and and so I really liked it because it was fun, right,

2:23

and my dad was a principal. I was

2:26

terrible at um

2:28

managing though, like the kids

2:31

like they would walk all over me, which is somewhat

2:33

similar to uh dog Pound

2:35

employees sometimes, but it is

2:38

like the managing part has

2:40

never been like my passionate love,

2:42

but anyways, so it's gonna be an elementary teacher

2:45

throughout the way. Like I got sick.

2:47

So I used to be really chunky.

2:50

I think you know this right, how much did you weigh at

2:52

the peak there? I kind of quit wing and

2:54

at over the three hundred pound barrier. Stop

2:57

checking, stop checking. Yeah, so

3:00

so I would say, like, you know, a little over three d

3:02

pounds, but I'm only five five, you

3:05

know, uh on a good day. So

3:07

I mean I'm pretty sure. So uh So,

3:09

basically this is when I was sixteen or

3:11

so, so I was pretty chunky,

3:13

and I was pretty like chunky most of my

3:16

life, but it really as started

3:18

packing on the pounds, putting on

3:20

the carbs, and in high school,

3:23

mostly with chocolate milk for the most

3:25

part, lots of chocolate milk, lots of chocole

3:27

milk, like and

3:29

outrageous chocolate milk. So

3:31

I would drink up the two gallons a day. Actually

3:34

yeah, so, but I thought it was it was

3:37

skim chocolate milk. So

3:39

in the Midwest, yeah, you thought that that was

3:41

like just not fat supers totally. Yeah,

3:44

the results didn't look like that, but

3:46

but there's a ton of sugar. Yeah,

3:49

so are you okay talking about

3:51

your your illness. Sure, yeah,

3:54

some of my the worst things

3:57

that have happened to me have been the

3:59

best things that could have happened to me. So,

4:02

um, I graduated

4:04

community college, got my associates degree,

4:06

right, and I moved actually went to Southwest

4:09

Missouri State which now called Missouri State. When

4:12

I was there, I started, like, um, I thought

4:14

I had like mono basically because

4:17

I started sleeping a lot, I started coughing

4:19

a lot right as and I

4:21

didn't really know what was wrong. But my roommate,

4:23

you know, called my parents and they kind of

4:26

like kidnapped kidnapped me and saved me. So

4:29

um, so I went to the hospital, right, and they said

4:31

I had a cardiomeopathy, which is an

4:34

enlarged heart and congestive

4:36

heart failure. So that was actually a

4:39

total blessing in disguise because you

4:41

know, I was overweight. It wasn't

4:43

really that confident, right and

4:45

uh and so it's like that was a

4:48

shocking moment, right, But then I was kind

4:50

of forced to lose the

4:52

weight. So I'm lucky because a lot of people like

4:54

basically they have to just kind of set their own

4:56

discipline to lose weight. But I was kind of like just

5:00

ever die, yeah, basically, so that actually

5:03

really pushed me to lose the weight

5:05

and specific like watching my food and

5:08

changing my diet and then just changing

5:10

my lifestyle and so but over the

5:12

course of six months or so, I started feeling a little

5:14

bit better. And then I just started walking,

5:17

right, and that was kind of meditative for me.

5:19

And then I started doing the gym, which I

5:21

did in high school just was like more

5:24

powerlifting style, So this was

5:26

like just a different style of training. So

5:28

then I learned how to do that, and

5:31

I really learned a lot about food. Right,

5:33

So, just like anything in life,

5:36

like, I started gaining momentum, right,

5:38

and I think momentum is key with most

5:40

things, right, it's just like your career, like you

5:42

do one thing at least the next and next.

5:45

So I lost ten pounds and it was twenty

5:47

pounds, right, and forty, and then people

5:49

are starting to compliment you, and then you feel better,

5:52

and so it just kept kind of growing a confidence

5:55

a little bit, a little bit, a little bit a little bit, and then

5:57

so I just started steamrolling then

5:59

to the point where I lost over a hundred

6:01

pounds, right, crazy, you get this all

6:04

from walking and going to the gym

6:06

and watching what you eat. Yes, yeah,

6:09

so and it it took itn't It

6:11

took a while. It took a little over two

6:13

years, and I was pretty young, so that probably

6:16

helped me, right, like from one to

6:20

and so what had happened is I was

6:22

going to school to be an elementary teacher. So

6:24

I decided to, um switch

6:26

it. Yeah, I decided to when my

6:28

friends were asking me how I lost weight, So I started helping

6:31

them, right, and then I

6:33

just realized it was super rewarding. They're

6:35

almost proud of you for helping them, right,

6:38

so U So yeah, and then I decided to

6:40

become a trainer. So um,

6:43

and that was pretty much right out of college. And

6:45

how did you figure out like how to charge people, especially

6:48

because a lot of your first clients were we're friends.

6:50

I've always been bad about that, including now, right,

6:53

I really have been, because but

6:56

the money always flows if you're

6:58

doing something you love and you're doing at

7:00

high quality. And that's that's

7:03

always been my mentality and it's

7:05

always worked, right, So because

7:07

what happens is you get referrals,

7:10

right, so and other people want to be a part of it. Yes,

7:13

So it almost doesn't even

7:15

matter of who you're company, whether they're known

7:18

or they're work at the Delhi down the street.

7:21

Right, It's like when someone makes results,

7:24

people start talking about it, people ask

7:26

about it, and yeah,

7:28

then you get friends and and other

7:30

people tend to start then

7:33

asking you how much it is, and then and

7:35

then you don't really know them, so then you can charge them

7:38

like a fair rate, you know. So yeah,

7:41

so that's kind of how it all worked. And

7:50

so how did you get to New York. It seems

7:52

like your life was pretty great. You're set, you lost all

7:54

that weight, You're in Missouri, You're you're

7:57

helping everyone in Missouri lose weight. It was

7:59

until I would

8:01

say late twenties I got kind

8:03

of like, uh uh cocky, right,

8:06

Like I don't have no idea why because I'm I

8:08

don't know how trainers get cocky, but but I did

8:10

myself. So now I kind of realized that,

8:13

right, my ego got to me a

8:15

little bit because when you were in Missouri,

8:17

yes, which is I

8:19

know it's cancer to Missouri, buty. But what happens

8:21

is for the first time, I was like,

8:24

um, dating girls, right,

8:27

and then then like I was going out, Sure,

8:29

I started starting the party, right, and I had

8:31

like, uh, fancy car,

8:34

a nice car, and I had like this nice

8:36

loft right, And so basically like I

8:38

was trying to be someone I wasn't.

8:41

Right. I was trying to be cool, sure,

8:43

I mean I like not thinking that who

8:46

I was was cool, if that makes sense.

8:49

Was trying to we're a totally different person than

8:51

the person you grew up as, Yes, and then

8:53

people treat you differently, which

8:56

is amazing, But that doesn't mean you should change

8:59

who you are, right, I mean, of course we should all

9:01

grow and change and learn. But I

9:03

think I was trying to be um,

9:06

like a party guy

9:08

or something. Right, So I started going

9:10

out a lot so, which

9:12

is not good for me because I have like

9:15

a very passionate I

9:18

used to call it addictive personality, but

9:20

but it is. It is just passionate, right. It's like

9:22

I get really into things without even

9:25

realizing it. Chocolate

9:27

milk as an example, right, um,

9:29

losing weight as an example. Working,

9:32

you know, I work the tause

9:35

I'm just totally into it. Tattoos

9:37

is an example. I get really into

9:40

things, which is great if

9:43

it's something good, but uh,

9:45

if it's drugs and partying it's not so good,

9:48

especially if you've had past

9:51

heart problems issues and you're trying

9:53

to build a career. Right, Both those

9:55

things tend to crumble if you do a lot of drugs.

9:57

So, um yeah, So basically

9:59

I I I started, Um,

10:02

I got sick again, basically the

10:04

same heart. Yeah, but this time

10:07

it was worse right in theory, right,

10:09

Um, So this when I was thirty,

10:11

because I have congestive heart failure.

10:14

So they said I was in the fourth

10:16

stage of it, which is like the last

10:19

stage, right, So they would say I needed

10:21

a heart transplant, and my

10:23

it's called an injection for action was super

10:25

low. It's like how your heart pumps.

10:27

Yeah, yeah, and I couldn't work, right, I didn't have

10:29

health insurance. Um. I was

10:32

in the r for like thirteen

10:35

or fourteen days, right, And so I

10:37

came out thinking I would just

10:39

bounce back, but it just never

10:42

really happened. So, um, you

10:44

know, I basically lost everything I had.

10:46

I mean, it saved up a decent amount

10:49

of money for me. It wasn't that

10:51

I mean, it's all perspective, right, but for me, it

10:53

was a lot of money. I kind of blew through

10:56

that just with like the hospital bills

10:58

that and also like really

11:01

honestly, not to be dramatic, I just didn't

11:04

know how much time I had left, and I didn't

11:06

really care at that time, you know, so

11:09

uncause I lost my car, that's my place, right,

11:12

you know, I was really sick. So I moved

11:14

in with my sister, uh,

11:17

and I moved to Memphis, Tennessee.

11:20

So anyways, so I was there. I was there for

11:22

about a year, and I started feeling better.

11:24

So it's a keep. Um.

11:27

I had lived in New York for like ten years

11:29

or eleven years, and we got in a fight when I

11:31

got really sick because

11:33

he's my older brother and he's like yeah,

11:36

and like, so we had gotten in a fight.

11:39

So we had been in better. Terms

11:41

were not great, and I was still at this time

11:43

period in my life. I'm just trying to uh,

11:46

you know together

11:48

totally and do things like, you know,

11:50

like relationships that I that

11:53

were important. I was trying to bring

11:55

them back, right. So I moved here

11:58

for I was only going to be here for two or

12:02

three months. I just didn't want to move back to Kansas City

12:04

quite yet, right, So I

12:06

came here to like switched up a little bit. See your

12:08

brother stay here, and no

12:10

one wanted me to move here. F y.

12:13

I mean especially with your history, you

12:15

probably say. And

12:20

this for sure. I also had zero

12:22

dollars, right, that's also not very

12:24

helpful when you moved to New York. But

12:27

my sister had got given me, you

12:29

know, three d dollars or so, and

12:32

like she got me this membership

12:34

to this meditation place that

12:37

you could do all the time, So I would do that all the time.

12:40

Um, just crashed with your brother. And then

12:43

my mom actually had a uh

12:46

someone that because she has like an orphanage

12:48

and Africa other stay,

12:50

she had a place that was kind of given to her part

12:53

time. So I actually stayed there

12:56

initially and then then I would

12:59

after that, I kind of stay with my brother for a little bit.

13:01

Um. But basically after the three months,

13:04

I started feeling better. So

13:06

then I decided to train.

13:09

And so what did you go to first? So

13:12

at first, um, the

13:14

irony is I got a job at David Barton

13:16

Gym. But they wanted me to work any

13:18

other ironies, They wanted me to work uh

13:21

full time, right, which like uh

13:24

if if if you know me, I usually like

13:27

full times, no problem, right, But I

13:29

was like that was too too much, right because

13:31

I because I couldn't commit to it. I didn't know how long it

13:33

was gonna be, how you know. I

13:35

was just kind of getting my health back. So I

13:37

ended up getting a job at a small gym. It

13:39

was more of like, uh, you know boutique

13:42

gym. Was that the superstar gym? No,

13:44

that was prior to that? Is it different?

13:46

Was a different gym, Um and

13:49

so and I just started

13:51

working part time a couple of days

13:53

a week, and of course they became five days a

13:55

week, and I became every day a week, and

13:57

then uh you know, soon

13:59

I was like, um, like

14:02

one of the head trainers. Right, this

14:04

is like within a pretty quick um,

14:07

within a year, I would say, But you still didn't

14:09

have it in your mind to start a business or do anything.

14:11

Now. I was here like buying time doing

14:14

personal training because that's what you mean. Yeah.

14:16

My goal was just I love training and

14:19

it made me feel good. I just wanted to

14:21

do it. Right. Why do you think some of those early clients

14:23

in that Shim and Soho took

14:26

to you as a

14:28

guy from Kansas City,

14:30

Missouri who was just sort of here figuring

14:33

things out. I think one is because I

14:35

was genuine too, is because

14:38

I was passionate and I really actually

14:41

I wanted to help help

14:44

people, right, So like if you came

14:47

to me about training, I would

14:49

be totally into it, right. So it's

14:51

at goals and we like, I'm make

14:53

sure you're accountable and like people

14:55

like you. Yes, So I think

14:58

I think that's mostly mostly

15:01

people can tell if you're really into something,

15:03

and so I think that's and training

15:06

that's all the all the differences being really

15:08

nice. It's a service industry,

15:10

right, making sure you're accommodating

15:13

what they want. I was renting space

15:15

out of a bunch of gems, right. So you kind

15:17

of started your kirk Meyer's Fitness. Yes,

15:19

it was like the relaunch of kirk Myer's Fitness

15:22

until you started a website. I started a

15:24

website and you just kind of put yourself out

15:26

there is this personal trainer, and you would work out with

15:28

anybody anywhere where. You going to people's houses and the

15:30

apartments and stuff. And I postcards

15:33

that like Captain Kirk that were quite ridiculous.

15:35

I really just wanted tend clients. Right when I

15:37

started home clients, that was

15:39

it. Totally happy tend clients,

15:42

and I want to start a kids program. That was the two

15:44

things. And so I

15:46

wrote down the list and then

15:48

I wrote down some dream list.

15:51

And I knew that if I got a

15:53

big name, that would help, right, because it gives you

15:55

credibility. So I started

15:57

like looking at other

16:00

trainers that had gotten big names

16:02

before, and like we kind of looked

16:04

them up and how they did it right and so but

16:06

I really just wanted to take clients and you would meet them

16:08

anywhere any gym. Yes, you just wanted

16:10

them under the kirk Myer's Fitness brand. Yeah,

16:13

so what But what happened was like two

16:15

clients came four, became eight,

16:17

became sixty really quickly, I had

16:19

thirty forty clients right by

16:21

yourself. Yes, because

16:23

a part of it is like stars aligning

16:26

and putting it out there. I made these ridiculous

16:28

postcards right, put them everywhere. Guaranteed

16:31

no one signed up from these postcards. But the

16:34

fact that I was going out doing

16:36

this, it was like it was taking action and

16:39

I want yes, And like it's also like

16:41

a universe thing, right, like

16:43

a run into you know, I ran into. I

16:46

picked so the ironies like Adam Guy

16:49

or you know Adam He started

16:51

training with me because he saw me walk around

16:53

the neighborhood. But the irony

16:55

of Adam right, Adam's

16:58

partner Jeff knew you. Jackman's

17:00

bodyguard Brian, and

17:03

so that's eventually how I started training

17:05

Hugh Jackman. Right, And Hugh

17:07

Jackman was your first celebrity

17:10

clients, and that was the name that

17:13

puts you out there in the industry

17:15

and in your client base. And yeah, yeah

17:17

that that that was but for the

17:19

biggest person. But I always knew,

17:23

and I would always say, like, these ridiculous

17:25

things they're looking back. I was like, well, what if I'm

17:28

training Beyonce right and

17:30

the Rock and they both come at the same time, right,

17:33

You know, you have to have people to help you, because

17:35

at that time I started hiring trainers help and

17:37

like I had zero celebrity.

17:40

I'm like naming like the biggest names, right, But it

17:42

is kind of crazy because then we've had

17:44

a situations like this happened where two

17:47

big people, right or super at the same

17:49

time. Totally we're like booking the same

17:51

things. So but but but Hugh

17:54

was definitely the the first

17:57

big one and and such

18:00

a big impact because he's so

18:02

nice and then he had friends

18:04

yes, and he brought them all. But you got

18:06

known around town is um as

18:09

you know, Hugh Jackman's trainer, and

18:11

you guys had this group and then other people

18:13

would follow along who came up with dog

18:15

Bound. So it

18:18

was really kind of huge thing because he

18:20

would bring the dog. He brings

18:22

his dog to the workouts, right, and

18:25

so it's kind of like a joke kind

18:27

of like yes, like so that group

18:29

got known as the dog

18:31

Bound. It was the early morning David Barton

18:33

in yes, in the village group,

18:36

and so he would come like Nigel

18:39

and sometimes bring his dog right before he

18:41

moved the entry. Yeah. Nigel Parker,

18:43

Yeah, yeah, Nigel is great. He

18:46

was so nice. And Nigel would just come around and

18:49

criticize everyone's you

18:51

know, like I'm so much stronger than me. I

18:53

think part of it was that was like it

18:55

felt like a football

18:57

team or right, or any type of

18:59

sports right, and Nigel

19:01

was the perfect person because he's picking

19:04

on everyone. It didn't it didn't go who was

19:06

right. So I remember like meeting

19:09

you the first time, you're this guy,

19:11

uh, you're covered in tattoos,

19:13

like that's cool, and then there's Hugh Jackman

19:16

over there. I'm like all right, so wolverines here, and

19:18

then you've got Nigel Parker, um

19:21

uh, you know, like one of the biggest fashion

19:23

photographers in the world. And

19:25

then it's like Tom Farley, the CEO of

19:27

the New York Stock Exchange, you know.

19:30

And then you've got big traders over year and

19:32

then there's like a model over there, and like what

19:35

what is happening? Like this

19:37

is not you

19:39

know, yeah, no, I think we've been so

19:42

fortunate with That's our biggest

19:44

strength, by far is our our

19:48

clients, right uh. And that's why I

19:50

talked about talk upon a lot right building

19:52

community, building community and community,

19:55

and like that's what makes the world go

19:57

around. That's why cities exist. Right. People like

19:59

to and around that group of people and before you know it,

20:01

they put a building up. That's

20:11

a big thing for anyone that's that's watching and listening that

20:13

doesn't know I mean dog no one,

20:15

I think maybe other than me. Dog

20:17

Pound was not a gym where you just go and work

20:19

out. You go there to personal train. That's

20:22

it. You go there, you book of time, everyone clocks

20:24

in and you go personal train. So it's a personal training

20:27

gym. When we didn't want

20:29

memberships, right because then people are just kind of

20:32

floating around, especially with um

20:35

uh with privacy and right, yeah,

20:37

and I think even that's a big

20:39

business decision. I mean, you think with the gym, if

20:42

you think about the classic gym business model,

20:44

you want a thousand gym memberships, right,

20:46

because you're collecting that revenue every month. But then you

20:49

know they're not all gonna come, it's

20:51

gonna rain, they're gonna sleep in,

20:53

and so then you're just looking at kind of like

20:56

you know, cost per space and figuring

20:58

out all of those KPIs, the metrics, and

21:01

you probably took the riskier

21:04

route of saying, now we're not gonna take

21:06

recurring revenue that way, We're just gonna be totally

21:08

personal training. But we're also not going to give

21:10

everyone the personal trainer they want every single time.

21:13

That was the other thing that was a big thing

21:16

there. It's like, well, I'm gonna work out of ten. It's like, okay, well you

21:18

can't have him. We're gonna give you, uh, you

21:20

know, we're gonna give you Christian, right, so we're

21:22

gonna give you someone else. And everyone

21:24

sort of said, okay, if I worked out here, that's

21:27

how it's done here, and it's totally fine.

21:30

No, And I think, like, and you paid

21:32

the trainers salaries, yes, didn't

21:34

pay them. They weren't like then incentivized by

21:36

this or that they come in And some

21:39

of the what I've noticed, I was trying to

21:42

be very innovative and some of these things worked.

21:45

Some of them not as much as I would like, uh,

21:48

but some of them I think that can be tweaks. But I

21:50

think the goal of the

21:54

right when we opened the gym, I think my

21:56

confidence start, you know, I started raising the

21:58

bar. The gym was never were uh,

22:01

it was always meant to be bigger than

22:03

just the four walls of the

22:05

gym, right, So, like, because

22:07

you can only make so much money

22:09

from that anyways, even if

22:12

you're making money off of

22:14

every corner. Right. So I think a

22:16

part of it is what I knew what we were

22:18

good at, and I wanted to stick with that. And if

22:20

you like, you know, we did boxing classes

22:22

at the beginning initially, but but it would overcrowd

22:25

the space, right and the one on ones

22:27

weren't as effective and people

22:29

would complain, right, so

22:31

we we took those

22:33

away. Right, So I think, um,

22:35

uh, the the one on one

22:38

model, right, we've always kind of

22:40

stuck to and the the irony is that actually

22:43

definitely went in our benefit is now covided,

22:46

right, and like, yeah, no

22:48

totally. So it's like, um, so

22:51

we still have not executed

22:53

on how to scale it, but we definitely

22:56

have the vision on how to

22:58

scale. It's just a matter of execution,

23:01

timing and these things. But uh,

23:04

but I guess to go back to your question that that

23:06

business decision, I think, um,

23:08

yeah, I was always pretty stubborn about

23:10

that because you know, even the

23:13

people that had invested, we're trying to

23:15

convince me otherwise.

23:18

And the other thing I was stubborn about, which

23:20

I'm lucky to be stubborn

23:23

about. It wasn't like I was a genius

23:25

by doing it, just some of it was just good

23:27

timing, is is. I didn't want a

23:29

bunch of dog bounds, right. I

23:31

didn't want to scale because everyone,

23:34

when we started getting really hot, was like,

23:36

Okay, we're gonna try to make ten of these

23:38

things, right. But uh but I

23:40

was always like no, no, right, So

23:43

we're very cautious on opening.

23:46

So how many how many fund raising rounds have you done?

23:48

Now? So we did the

23:50

uh, the Angel round, right.

23:52

It was actually called A, but it's really the Angel

23:55

round. So uh, and then I would

23:57

call it a Series A to get l

23:59

A. So those too, we had to

24:01

do a note during COVID

24:04

right to just get a long runway and also

24:07

to kind of hope build out some of our

24:10

digital platform which we're

24:13

currently working on. And so we're about ready to

24:15

do our biggest fundraise, which

24:17

is super exciting. Uh,

24:20

you know, the within uh the

24:22

upcoming months. Really it

24:24

may some of them maybe get pushed to quarter one, but it

24:26

will probably within the next few months,

24:29

you know. So and so what's next for dog

24:31

Pound? What's next for dog

24:33

Pounds? So we're opening We're planning

24:35

on opening in Doha, Qatar

24:38

before the World Cup. So

24:40

we're hoping totally random third location,

24:43

but no problem. But

24:45

I love New York l A. Yeah.

24:49

So, but I like doing things outside

24:51

of the box. But that is outside the box more

24:54

importantly here. Like I would think you'd say Miami,

24:57

yeah, that's a possibility, but

25:00

personally, Doha all

25:02

the way over Miami over

25:05

any any city.

25:07

To be honest with you, because you have you have Qatari investors,

25:11

we do, but for me, it's not

25:13

even that. It's not like they're begging

25:16

us or making us good. I

25:18

just really like it. They're actually the

25:21

people there are so nice, community

25:24

is so strong, they're very smart.

25:26

When you're that rich, it's easy to be that nice.

25:29

Probably, But I remember

25:32

when the first time I was in the Middle East, not to get you off

25:35

or like, our driver was like, so

25:37

what are the people here? Like, It's like you have two types

25:39

of people here, rich and super

25:41

rich. He's

25:43

like, oh yeah, god, yeah,

25:46

okay, that's hilarious. Actually, but

25:49

the people I know are

25:52

very very good people, great

25:55

people, uh and

25:58

um uplifting right and

26:00

so um and also thinking about

26:02

ways to improve

26:05

all the time and ways to change

26:07

things and ways to to uh

26:09

to help the world. Right. So I

26:12

also think that they're um,

26:14

we we we we can we can help

26:17

some of the youth. I mean the United States

26:19

needs as well for sure for

26:21

sure. So not open dog pound

26:23

kids, Yes, I think we can do stuff to help kids.

26:26

Dog pound is not Also just be

26:28

clear, it's not cheap. It's

26:30

not cheap. How much does it

26:33

cost to work out it at dog pound? You

26:35

know, like if you go in there today, like standard

26:37

package which you have printed. I

26:39

know we bumped our rates up and it's it's

26:42

so bad because I don't even know these rates,

26:45

but I know it's a lot, or it can't be a lot

26:47

because sometimes I've seen the

26:50

numbers over of course the time, and

26:52

I'm like, wow, people

26:55

are really into this. But I

26:57

think it's like you charge a lot, but you it's

26:59

it's like that, uh you know, it's

27:01

like the Joker in the Dark Nights, like when you're

27:04

good at something, don't do it for free,

27:07

but you ask a lot. I mean it's it's

27:10

it's pricey, but then people pay it.

27:12

It's like if you build it, they will come there and they

27:14

will pay you. Thanks man, thanks for coming through.

27:17

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