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it squatchy, yeah. And

1:57

now your hosts, Cliff Bergman and

1:59

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1:59

Bobo Faye. Greetings, Bobo.

2:02

How are you doing today? Great. Great,

2:05

that's good to hear. No, I take that back. That's

2:07

great to hear. Thank you. You're

2:10

welcome, thank you. You ready for this, man? It's

2:12

a Q&A day. Yeah, those are always

2:14

fun. But before we jump into

2:16

the Q&A, it's been, I mean, we

2:18

did a podcast yesterday. We recorded one yesterday. But

2:21

God, that's almost 12 hours ago. What

2:23

calamity has struck your life since then?

2:25

Not a thing. Really? Well,

2:28

I haven't had any calamities, but I haven't left the house since

2:30

then either. Yeah, it's best to stay inside,

2:32

worth saying. Well, on that enlightening

2:34

note, you know, on that happy song, why

2:37

don't we jump into the Q&As and see what people wanna

2:39

know from us?

2:40

Question. Question. Yeah,

2:42

so let's start. So let's see, let's listen

2:44

to the first voicemail because you listeners

2:46

out there, you probably know this by now. You've probably been listening

2:48

for a while. But just in case you're new and you just found

2:51

that Cliff and Bobo have a podcast. By

2:53

the way, which happens all the time, literally today, I'm

2:55

recording at the museum today, and I was downstairs a little while

2:58

ago and somebody came in, oh, we're huge fans

3:00

and blah, blah, blah. Love the show. Great,

3:02

do you listen to our podcast? No, you have a podcast?

3:05

Every single day, people are discovering

3:07

that we have a podcast and they jump on

3:09

board. So we're getting more listeners all the time, which is

3:11

great. So if you are a new listener

3:13

out there, welcome to a Q&A episode.

3:16

What we do once a month, or

3:18

as regularly as we can, which is hard

3:20

for Bobo and I, we're both kind of chaotic people. But

3:23

once a month, we get together and

3:25

answer questions submitted by you, our listeners.

3:29

And there's two ways to submit a question.

3:31

You can either leave a voicemail

3:33

for us or you can just type it in and

3:36

send it in on email. I'm

3:38

sure there's gonna be links in the show notes, but you can always

3:40

go to our website as well, bigfootandbeyondpodcast.com

3:43

and click the appropriate links, like contact

3:46

or whatever it says. And you can leave questions

3:48

for us. Either, again, a voicemail for

3:50

us and you can hear your lovely melodic voice on

3:52

the air, or you can just type

3:55

it and we'll read it in our lovely melodic voices.

3:58

And also, just a little plug here.

3:59

If you are a member, we have a Patreon account

4:02

sort of thing. If you are a member of the

4:04

podcast, if you are a supporter, a Squatchketeer

4:07

of the podcast, you

4:10

can leave a message for our members Q&A,

4:13

just for members, just from our supporters.

4:15

We take your questions and we riff on them during

4:18

our members section, which I think is released every Thursday,

4:20

I think.

4:21

But anyway, let's listen to the first voicemail

4:24

message and then we can talk about that for

4:26

a while. Hey, Cliff and Bobo,

4:28

my name's Richard. I'm from the UK. Just

4:31

want to say I got into big

4:33

footing a little while back after reading a

4:35

book on cryptozoology and

4:38

the Harry Homenid chapter spoke

4:40

to me immensely. And after a lot

4:42

of reading, I'm down this

4:44

rabbit hole and I'm still going, your show

4:46

is amazing. Every time I seem to

4:48

listen to it, I need a new book. I've

4:51

just got the Michael Freeman book in

4:53

the post today and I'm looking forward to that.

4:56

And I'm currently reading

4:57

Sasquatch the Apes and Mongers by

4:59

John Green. Question for me is

5:02

hippies and Bigfoots. What's

5:04

any encounters of that? I've been kind

5:06

of intrigued by that while watching some

5:08

episodes of Finding Bigfoot. And I'm just like

5:11

to know if any of that sort of

5:13

got on, if any of those hippie lovings

5:15

had any encounters with Bigfoots over

5:17

the years. Anyway, keep up the

5:19

good work. Look forward to hearing more

5:21

from you in due course. Take care,

5:24

keep it Squatchy. I got this one. Yeah,

5:27

Bubba, I'm gonna let you handle this. Go for

5:29

it, man. You live in Northern California in Humboldt County.

5:31

I think that you're the resident expert here. Yeah,

5:34

actually the best vocals

5:36

I heard on all of Finding Bigfoot was when I did the,

5:39

we were doing that TR Special Canada versus US. Flippy

5:41

and I set up those drums out in the woods

5:44

and I had tie dye up everywhere. I had my tie

5:47

dye shirt on. I think I had a wig on, a lot

5:49

like a long haired wig. And

5:52

we were banging away

5:55

and just doing hippie stuff. I think we burned

5:57

incense. And I'm pretty sure

5:59

I... It might have been a different time, but I think I

6:02

sprayed some patchoula oil around. We

6:06

got the loudest, craziest

6:08

sounds I ever heard coming

6:11

up out of the river bottom on

6:14

the Soul Duck River in northern Washington. It

6:17

was nuts because it sounded like grinding.

6:20

It sounded like, for some reason, I have this picture in my mind, one of those

6:22

old 1940s

6:24

four-wheel, the off-road

6:26

big fire trucks, like the earliest versions

6:29

of a forest firefighting truck.

6:33

Just with a shot transmission grinding

6:35

gears, then it sounded like the grinding gears

6:37

were just grabbing sheets of sheet

6:40

metal and ripping them in half, like

6:42

some giant just tearing sheet metal in half.

6:44

Then it went from that into this scream

6:47

into

6:48

this crazy roar.

6:50

It might have been roaring

6:52

to a scream, but I can't remember the exact sequence

6:55

now. It

6:56

did a series of three of these vocals.

6:59

It all changed. It

7:02

was just crazy. We were so psyched. We

7:04

had a bunch of records up, but they were all junky.

7:07

We had a parabolic, but we weren't ready for it because

7:09

we were doing the drumming and all that.

7:11

We were in

7:13

shock. We were trying to figure out what it was that first

7:15

happened before we even realized what it was.

7:18

It was so loud. We were so stoked.

7:21

Then nothing really showed up on the recorders.

7:24

We had this little $80 Sony cheap for an office or

7:29

taking notes in a class or something.

7:32

We had four of those out. We had a good

7:35

really good Tascam.

7:38

I had my Tascam out.

7:41

That had the double mics on it. That didn't pick up very

7:43

much at all, which was strange. We

7:46

didn't have much action after that.

7:48

But anyways, living in Humboldt, I got

7:50

a lot of reports from hippies because a

7:53

lot of them had pot farms out in

7:55

the hills. I don't know, maybe being on

7:57

that level plane when people are taking

7:59

mushrooms because I had

8:02

reports of people saying, yeah, I was on mushrooms.

8:04

I'd take those with a

8:07

couple grains of salt and just say,

8:09

well, maybe. But yeah, a

8:11

lot of the pot growers at night sneak it out back before,

8:14

this is 30, 20 years ago, 35 years ago, and you had to worry about, nowadays,

8:19

you can grow a thousand pounds in your backyard.

8:22

But back then, you'd have to sneak out in the

8:24

woods and usually at night to avoid,

8:26

you know, sheriff's rangers, forest

8:28

workers, and just people in general.

8:31

So

8:31

the guys would go out there at night and they'd run into these things at

8:33

night. And I got a lot of reports

8:36

of people saying, you know what, scared them. And then also

8:38

music festivals at Reggae on the River

8:40

in the mid 90s,

8:42

people were, I got several reports.

8:45

There was like the Reggae on the River, it's on the Eel River in Southern

8:47

Humboldt and Mendocino County

8:49

border. And up

8:51

on the hillside, you know, you can kind of

8:53

get out of the main bowl.

8:55

It's like a natural bowl amphitheater. And

8:58

you can get up in the top and you can go way up to the top and

9:00

it gets into like

9:02

oak meadows. And

9:04

I talked to several people that

9:07

saw about a seven

9:09

and a half to eight foot Sasquatch lurking

9:12

amongst the oak trees, just spying on

9:14

the festival guards that were up there. There's like, you

9:16

know, scattered couples, like, you know,

9:18

people that are tripping out, might be up there.

9:20

And so for the next two years, I went up there at night

9:22

and hung out up there. And I didn't,

9:25

I never had anything happen or see anything, but I

9:27

talked to people that, yeah, they said they seen them out. They

9:29

saw them out there. You know,

9:31

that's kind of brings up a nice parallel with the

9:33

New York baby footage too, because Doug

9:35

Prigen and his buddies, they're just basically a bunch

9:37

of hippies drinking beer around a fire on the outskirts

9:40

of a music festival. And

9:42

then something came and was watching

9:45

them and the rest of the festival. And that's when the baby thing

9:47

jumped off the shoulders of the larger one and went up

9:49

in the tree. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you can

9:51

either see the Finding Bigfoot episode, reinvestigated

9:53

it or just look up New York baby footage, Bigfoot

9:56

or something on YouTube. And you can find it right away.

9:58

That was taken at a music. festival. So

10:00

big noises, big, you know, big

10:03

crowds, big to do's or

10:05

something that kind of attracts Sasquatches a lot of times.

10:08

Yeah. So I think the hippie thing is legit, man. And

10:11

I don't think the smell of patchouli in the air would

10:13

be a turnoff for me either because it's something unusual.

10:15

They've probably never smelled before. It would probably bring

10:17

them in. I thought that sort of elicit

10:20

the rock throwing. Oh, baby, it

10:22

is. Yeah, that's quite possible. You

10:24

know, Tom Powell had some buddies over here by Bull

10:27

Run, you know, I'm always talking about Bull Run watershed because

10:29

no one's allowed in there. But the Bigfoot's

10:31

don't care.

10:32

Tom Powell had some some

10:34

buddies who owned this ranch over there, like

10:36

right on the edge of Bull Run watershed.

10:40

Now it's actually inside Bull Run. But this is how that happened.

10:42

They had this hippie ranch over there in the like 70s

10:45

or early 80s or something like that. And

10:48

they,

10:49

they eventually sold the property, these two

10:51

guys that own the property, they sold it because

10:53

they thought it was haunted because things would bang

10:55

on the outside of their house or be screams and

10:57

yells and howls in the in the woods,

11:00

giant things would be dragged across their yard and

11:02

left in different places. They convinced themselves

11:04

that it was haunted because Bigfoot never

11:06

really crossed their mind. And they eventually

11:09

sold the property because they thought it was haunted.

11:11

And the city of Portland bought it and then moved

11:13

the boundary of the watershed back to engulf it.

11:16

They tore down the structures and all that sort of stuff. So

11:19

yeah, there's another example. But you

11:21

know, that that kind of shows you something too is like,

11:23

you know, hippies are perhaps a little

11:25

bit more open to weird beliefs

11:28

than other

11:29

people who may be slightly more well grounded than

11:32

certain individuals, right? So

11:34

they thought it was haunted. But no, just

11:36

just animals just Bigfoot's doing their thing. Oh,

11:39

and also something else. Remember,

11:41

a few years ago, you know, the the rainbow

11:43

family, which is this,

11:45

the decentralized giant

11:48

hippie community that has

11:50

no leaders, you can't prosecute them. Once

11:53

a year, they have a rainbow gathering,

11:56

rainbow family gathering or something like that. They

11:58

do it in various places throughout the country. And

12:00

again, there's no leader, so there's no way to prosecute

12:02

it or stop it or anything like that. But

12:05

a number of years ago, they actually held it at Skooka

12:08

Meadows of all places. Skooka

12:10

Meadows. And something like 15,000 hippies

12:13

descended on Skooka Meadows and camped

12:16

in the place and honestly kind of trashed it for a while.

12:19

But after all the folks left,

12:22

the good-natured hippies were left there, where

12:25

they stayed after and picked up all

12:27

the trash

12:28

that all the other irresponsible hippies had left

12:30

around. And I drove through the area

12:32

because I was thinking, I got to go see the aftermath of this

12:35

man. It must have been crazy. And I

12:37

did go up there and that one

12:39

real sharp turn just below

12:41

where the Skookum Expedition was held,

12:44

a big sharp turn to the left down there before you

12:46

go down to the gate, or there's a gate right there, but there's no further

12:48

gate to Skooka Meadows below it. There was a wall

12:50

of trash there. A wall of trash probably

12:53

eight feet high and 50 feet

12:55

long. And a bunch of very hardworking, diligent,

12:58

good-natured hippie folks are there packing

13:00

it out and cleaning up after their brethren who

13:02

did not have that level of responsibility.

13:05

I talked to them about Bigfoot stuff and said,

13:07

man, with all these people walking around and hippies

13:10

and sounds and drums and interests and smells

13:13

in the air, did you guys

13:15

hear us smell anything or see anything? And one

13:17

of the guys says, I heard some crazy screams

13:19

on the outskirts. I didn't know what they were, but dude,

13:21

it had to be a Bigfoot and blah, blah, blah.

13:23

And yeah, and, you know, sure, he

13:25

was probably on psychedelics at the time, but that

13:28

doesn't matter

13:28

because drunk and high people see these

13:30

things or hear these things too. And

13:33

it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Maybe he heard one, maybe

13:35

he didn't. But man, talk about a possibility.

13:38

The rainbow gathering at Skooka Meadows, I

13:41

bet you the Bigfoots had to be aware of

13:43

that. Had to be aware of that, even if they were five miles

13:45

away. Yeah,

13:46

but Richard from the UK, man, thanks so much

13:48

for a great question. I appreciate it. And

13:50

thank you so much for reading books. The

13:53

Freeman book, I hope you're really enjoying it. I

13:55

think it's fantastic, of course. And Apes Among Us

13:58

required reading. It's required reading.

13:59

reading for any Bigfoot or in my opinion. I

14:02

think that

14:03

all of our listeners should put their nose in some books

14:05

and read them. I got a weird, oh, I got a weird

14:08

letter this past week that insinuated that

14:10

that I look down on people

14:12

who don't read books and I'm above them.

14:14

I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if that's the

14:16

case. Kind of a weird passive aggressive sort

14:18

of thing, but whatever. I don't really care. That's fine. The

14:21

fact is, we should all be reading books.

14:24

As Mark Twain said, the person who doesn't read has no advantage

14:26

over those who can't read.

14:28

You should read a book. All right.

14:30

Thank you, Richard. What do we got next, Prit? Hey,

14:33

Clifton Bobo, big fan of the show.

14:35

I am sending this message in from

14:37

Omaha, Nebraska. My

14:40

question for you guys today is, so I know a

14:42

lot of people would love to see finding Bigfoot

14:45

be back on air. However, I

14:47

know there's probably a slim chance of that

14:49

ever happening. So with that in mind,

14:51

I was thinking, well, I know at least

14:54

I would watch, but I'm sure a lot of other people would watch

14:56

as well. But I'm curious

14:57

to know if you ever

14:59

thought about just doing videos

15:01

on YouTube, just kind of like vlogging your

15:03

experiences on your own

15:06

personal investigations or your personal

15:08

nights outsquatching. I would

15:11

definitely watch. So just curious to know if that's ever

15:13

been an idea and or a possibility

15:15

of you guys ever doing something like that in the future. Thanks,

15:18

guys.

15:19

Great question. Thank you very much for that. I didn't catch

15:21

a name. I don't think I heard a name, but I did hear Omaha,

15:23

Nebraska. So Omaha, thanks

15:26

so much for that question. Appreciate it. And

15:28

I guess you should be happy to know that I'm doing

15:30

that. I'm doing that now. But

15:32

I don't do it through Bigfoot and beyond. I do it through my museum.

15:35

We at the North

15:38

American Bigfoot Center, we have a museum membership.

15:40

And all members, no matter what tier

15:42

of membership, they get weekly updates

15:44

on the museum and things that I think are cool

15:47

or where I'm going to be speaking or little

15:49

tidbits. This was donated. Check this out.

15:51

It's cool. You know, like things that I think are

15:53

cool, you know, in Bigfoot land. But the

15:55

real treasure of being a member of the NBC

15:57

is at twice a month you get documented.

16:00

that we make in shop of our own

16:02

personal Bigfoot research or

16:05

deep dives into evidence. Although we haven't

16:07

done a deep dive into evidence in many, many

16:09

months because we've been in the field so much. So

16:12

yeah, but then again, maybe you don't have an extra six

16:15

bucks to throw at the NBC to be a member, or

16:18

you're not interested, which is totally acceptable as well.

16:21

So what I've started doing is I'm slowly

16:24

hand picking some of the best videos

16:27

that we have and putting them out on YouTube.

16:30

So any BC has a YouTube channel. I

16:32

don't advertise it because there's I think there's only four,

16:34

maybe five videos up at this point. And I'm

16:36

just kind of slowly adding to it. There's no hurry for

16:38

me. You know, eventually,

16:41

I'll probably put ads on it or something to generate

16:44

another income stream for the museum because every

16:46

dollar helps when we're doing something like a Bigfoot

16:48

museum. You know, sometimes hard to stay above

16:50

water there. But so anyway, yeah, there

16:52

is an ABC YouTube channel.

16:55

I'm hand picking some of the videos on there and putting it

16:57

out. Some of the things that I think are most interesting.

17:00

But we've been doing this for

17:02

for over three years now, or about three years,

17:04

at least. So there's

17:06

a huge backlog of videos I could be putting

17:08

up. And so go over there. If

17:11

you like what you see, that's the quality

17:14

of stuff that we're producing here at the NBC. And,

17:16

you know, all modesty aside,

17:20

I believe the museum

17:22

here is putting out the highest level. Bigfoot

17:25

content online anywhere. And

17:28

I know it's a real strong statement. But

17:31

I can say that because I'm not I'm not aware of anybody

17:33

else doing anything and

17:35

of such high level content. But

17:38

that is probably

17:39

because I'm not looking. So

17:42

as far as I know, we have the best content out there

17:45

because I don't look anywhere else. So I think that's a safe

17:47

thing to say in that sort of way. So

17:50

we're already doing that. But what's going

17:51

to be up next week? You know, we're going to go to the woods. Maybe I can bring

17:53

a camera out.

17:55

We can throw a little something on the on the Bigfoot

17:58

and beyond page. But

18:00

we'll see. I was so glad to be done filming.

18:04

We had so many nights ruined. We

18:06

wouldn't be there with all our camera crew, but then it was like

18:08

a catch-22. The camera crew would definitely...

18:11

I think we definitely would have

18:14

had footage like clip that night in Tennessee.

18:17

There's a few times I think we would have got... They were coming

18:19

up, they were walking up on us and the camera guys couldn't hold

18:21

still. So they'd run around trying

18:23

to get their shot because they're getting yelled at if they're not getting the

18:26

proper angle.

18:27

The infrared lights,

18:31

they see the infrared. It's like a light

18:33

to them out in the woods. We don't see it, but they do.

18:36

If

18:37

I'm out

18:39

there poking around the day, I try to be as quiet as

18:41

possible. I'm trying to

18:43

blend in and go quiet.

18:46

I just don't film anything.

18:48

If you aren't listening out there and you're a member

18:50

of the podcast, the Bigfoot and Beyond,

18:53

as we affectionately call it, Beyond

18:55

Bigfoot and Beyond, there are actually

18:57

two museum videos posted

19:00

to our Patreon page. So

19:03

you can go back into the Bigfoot

19:05

and Beyond Patreon and see two of the

19:07

videos I release to my museum members

19:10

if that is of interest to you. So Omaha,

19:13

if that is of interest, check it out. See if you like

19:15

it. Stay tuned for

19:17

more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

19:19

and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.

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20:14

Hey, Cliff. Hey, Bobo. This is Eric from

20:17

Phoenix, and I've been a huge fan

20:19

of you guys since Finding Bigfoot and

20:21

was obviously really disappointed when

20:23

it was canceled, but thrilled that I still

20:26

get to hear from you guys on the Bigfoot

20:28

and Beyond podcast. So really enjoy

20:30

it. Have a lot of fun listening to you guys. One

20:33

of the questions I have is related to the state

20:35

of Iowa. I'm originally from Iowa and

20:37

grew up hunting, fishing, trapping. And

20:39

my dad, who just passed away last year

20:42

at 86, hunted, fish,

20:44

trapped. I had asked him about if

20:46

he ever had any instances

20:48

of Bigfoot or heard anything or saw anything

20:50

when he was out doing all his trapping, and

20:53

he said no. And I'm just

20:55

surprised on the BFRO

20:57

website, there's only 76, I think, reports.

20:59

Reports from Iowa and based on the amount

21:01

of food, the

21:02

amount of water, there is quite

21:05

a bit of cover in

21:07

Iowa. I'm just surprised there's not more

21:11

reports. And I know you guys had one episode

21:13

where you're in Iowa and

21:15

it was pretty squatchy,

21:17

but just curious to get your thoughts on the state. Have you been

21:19

back besides that one episode

21:21

and any other thoughts as to why there maybe haven't

21:23

been more reports? Anyway, keep up

21:26

the great work, guys. Love the podcast.

21:28

Iowa. Well, we had great luck out

21:30

there. We had them around us up in

21:32

Yellow River State Park in the very northeast

21:35

corner up by the Wisconsin

21:37

border. But that's not like typical

21:39

Iowa habitat. That was right off

21:42

the big bluffs of the Mississippi.

21:45

The area had good topographical features compared

21:47

to the rest of the state, with some steeper

21:50

valleys. It

21:52

was

21:53

just great habitat. We

21:55

had them there, for sure had them there. But

21:58

the rest of Iowa is not so much like that. that.

22:01

And I think the part might have something to do with it

22:03

is Iowa. I mean, when you think of Iowa, I mean, that's,

22:05

I mean, that's, you know, a politician's reference, Iowa,

22:07

that's like the heartland. It's like

22:09

the ultimate Midwest, you know, where people are

22:12

conservative, you know, they, they

22:14

value what their neighbors think of them, they're, you

22:16

know, just not going to be talking about that kind

22:18

of stuff out and open so much. Yeah,

22:20

and I think the topography thing is one of the

22:23

keys there because Iowa is a relatively flat

22:25

state, at least the parts I saw, but

22:27

over by the Mississippi River, which is where the Yellow River

22:29

State Park is, and there

22:32

are other river valleys and stuff. And I think those

22:34

are the places that you would have to go to find

22:36

good pristine Sasquatch habitat. The

22:39

rest of it is kind of flat and farmy. And it's

22:41

not like they're not out in those. I mean, they're out in the cornfields.

22:43

There are photographs of these things in cornfields, videos

22:47

of them running through it. They are out

22:49

in the cornfields, but I think that home base is

22:51

are these river valley sort of things, these deeply

22:54

wooded, the deeper,

22:56

the better river valleys and also topography

22:59

that offers them a way to get away from people

23:02

because we aren't very good at that. And they are. But

23:04

also something else that a lot of people overlook about topography

23:07

and the advantage of living in a place

23:09

with a lot of topography is that it literally

23:12

increases the surface area on which

23:14

to feed, it increases the surface

23:17

area of the land. Instead

23:19

of a flat plane, there's all these up and downs and

23:21

mountains and stuff, which increases the square footage

23:24

of places that these animals can feed.

23:26

I think that's part of it as well. And

23:29

as Bobo mentioned, Iowa is a fairly conservative place.

23:31

I don't necessarily mean politically conservative.

23:33

That's not what we do here at Big Fun and Beyond. What

23:36

I mean, I think what Bobo means is

23:38

kind of keeping it simply. Yeah,

23:41

socially conservative in a lot of ways. They don't want

23:43

to be thought of as a weirdo,

23:44

basically, because out on the

23:46

on the left coast here, none of us seem to care.

23:49

You know, what we're pretty weird, we're pretty open

23:51

about it, keep Portland weird, whatever, all

23:53

that sort of stuff. Although there's a lot of obviously conservative

23:55

people here as well. But they don't want

23:57

to be thought of as the freak, the drunk, the hosed

23:59

person, the drug user,

24:02

or whatever things would be

24:04

slapped on someone who was interested in this sort of

24:06

subject. And finally, something

24:08

I want to point out, to have a Bigfoot report. What

24:11

you need is a Bigfoot in the same place

24:13

as a person, and that person has

24:16

to be willing to share it.

24:18

And luckily now we have

24:20

places like the BFRO where you can submit your report

24:22

to a nationwide database. Somewhat

24:24

anonymously, you just have to give your name and phone number if you

24:26

ever want to get published because on the BFRO,

24:29

somebody has to talk to you and

24:31

interview about it before it can get published.

24:34

But you have to have a researcher who's interested,

24:36

essentially, and there's not a lot of researchers

24:39

in that area. There are some and some very good

24:41

ones, but there's not a lot of

24:43

them.

24:43

We're in the Pacific Northwest, you know, you

24:46

could throw a rock and probably take down a couple researchers.

24:49

So I think a lot of these factors go

24:52

into that.

24:53

I think available habitat is a

24:55

big one

24:56

because Sasquatches need some room to stretch their

24:58

legs, man. And in places where

25:00

they're like in the Great Plains, for example,

25:04

where Sasquatches are known to exist, like

25:06

South Dakota, for example, they're always in the deep

25:08

river, they're always in those river valleys

25:10

that they hang out in there during the day. They need

25:13

to get out of the sun. They need to get into some shade.

25:15

They need the plants. They need the water.

25:17

They need the animal life. They need all that stuff.

25:19

I'm looking at a map of Iowa right now,

25:21

a satellite image of the

25:24

thing. There's not a lot of

25:26

that. There's seem to be a lot of

25:28

rivers stretching all throughout it. Most of it, frankly,

25:30

is going to be over by the rivers,

25:32

by the big rivers, by the Mississippi or whatever other

25:35

giant rivers that you have in there. So

25:37

I think that has a lot to do with it, Eric.

25:39

Cue up the next question. Hey, guys. This

25:42

is Josh from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

25:45

Love the show. Loved finding Bigfoot.

25:48

My question is, here in Pennsylvania, are

25:50

there any areas that are

25:53

hotspots for activity? I

25:55

know up towards the Poconos, there's supposed

25:58

to be activity. I was just curious if you'd

25:59

guys had any suggestions. Love

26:02

the show. Love you guys. See you. We

26:05

love you too, Josh. He's alright. He's

26:07

a great guy. He clearly is a human of superior

26:10

intellect and taste. Pennsylvania

26:12

hotspots. Lots, man. Allegheny

26:15

National Forest is number one. Yeah.

26:17

I mean, there's a lot of researchers. There are a lot

26:19

of research groups. You could definitely hook up with someone and get out

26:21

there. No problem.

26:23

Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society wrote the top of my head.

26:25

I mean, there's multiple groups. They

26:27

got a lot of good researchers and there's

26:29

endless places to go. Yeah. Endless.

26:32

Like, the Allegheny gets all

26:34

the press, you know, because there's researchers on

26:36

the western side of the state and

26:38

a lot of reports come out of there. But there's a quiet

26:41

spot in the central. Like I'm looking at a map right

26:43

now. Susquehannock State

26:45

Forest. I think that looks killer. I would

26:48

try out there, especially since you're down in Philadelphia.

26:50

You don't want to drive too far, you know, so why,

26:53

you know, cut a couple hours off your drive and

26:56

just like go up there north of like Williamsport

26:59

or Lockhaven

26:59

or one of those places and see

27:01

what's going on there. Eastern

27:04

PA doesn't have a ton, but that's probably because

27:06

of a lack of researchers and

27:09

also the less habitat.

27:10

Money Maker and I did an investigation back

27:13

in 2008 in Butler County.

27:15

Butler County has a ton of stuff. We

27:18

ran into them there. We found them. Some cops saw

27:20

one on the little Buffalo Creek.

27:22

I think it was called and we were walking up and

27:24

down there and we found where that we found where they were holding

27:27

up during the day. We got knocks and whistles and

27:29

we can hear him running around and stuff. It was great. And

27:31

the funny part is I didn't

27:34

know this at the time, but my future

27:36

wife was a six minute drive away. So

27:38

I recommend you go

27:40

Bigfootting in Philadelphia because you might end up getting married

27:42

to a fantastic person

27:43

in Philadelphia. Oh, in Pennsylvania.

27:46

Sorry. Made these people a straight cliff. I

27:48

know. I know. Yeah. Don't go Bigfootting in Philadelphia.

27:51

Yeah, there's no point, but go north. Go

27:53

north a few hours.

27:55

Go to the woods. And I think you have

27:57

a really decent shot at most anywhere,

27:59

but I think the. the further west you go, the better

28:02

you're gonna be. Although Southwest,

28:05

down by Uniontown, it goes off too, man. That's

28:07

where all that Chestnut Ridge stuff was happening. Yeah,

28:10

there's a lot of places there. Yeah,

28:12

you know, take a look at a map, go to the BFRO, go

28:14

to, what's that guy, the Mapping

28:17

Bigfoot or? Yeah, BMP,

28:19

the Bigfoot Mapping Project. Yeah,

28:21

go to his site, he's got a great thing. Just

28:23

look for where there's a two or three or four

28:25

or more siding reports within like five

28:28

or 10 miles.

28:29

Go there,

28:30

that's the best way you're gonna find them. The best way

28:32

to find a Sasquatch is go where they've been seen before

28:35

numerous times. And just keep

28:37

hitting it and keep hitting it. And then it comes down

28:39

to a game. Who's gonna blink first? You

28:41

or the Bigfoot? In other words, who's gonna give

28:43

up?

28:44

It's probably gonna be you, because the Bigfoots are already

28:46

there living and do you

28:48

have what it takes to be persistent enough

28:50

to be successful in this?

28:52

But everybody loves camping, so go once or

28:54

twice a year, go enjoy yourself. That's the great thing

28:56

about this Bigfoot thing, you don't have to be hardcore,

28:58

you don't have to get out once or twice a week. You

29:00

can go three times a year and have a great

29:02

camping trip with your family or whoever, your friends,

29:05

and maybe even hear one. There's something

29:07

in Bigfoot for everyone. I think it's

29:09

a great subject and it's a great way to get

29:11

outside and get healthy and get happy and get your nose

29:13

and books and just increase

29:16

the enjoyment of your life.

29:17

Yeah, hearing one's a definite, I

29:20

mean, you have a very good possibility

29:23

of hearing one if you're in the right places at the

29:25

right time of year. That's, seeing

29:27

one's pretty tough, but you can

29:29

hear him, that's for sure. Yeah, and Pennsylvania

29:31

is a fantastic place for it.

29:33

Heck, you know, recognizing the places we

29:35

went on our two or three episodes we did,

29:38

I mean, you said you were a fan of the show, Josh, and

29:40

just go back to where we went. Go there,

29:43

go there. There's a reason we chose those places.

29:45

Matt has a nationwide network of researchers

29:48

who are out in the woods a fair amount and we took

29:50

the best intelligence we could find, the

29:52

best, most recent reports, and we went

29:54

to those locations. So if you know where we went

29:57

on one of these Finding Bigfoot episodes, go there.

29:59

We went there for a reason. We didn't

30:02

let the producers choose after season one.

30:04

We didn't let the producers choose. We

30:07

forced them to listen to us, and we

30:09

chose the spots based on the best intelligence available

30:11

at the time.

30:12

We got our last voicemail right

30:14

here. Let's hear that one. Chloebo.

30:17

How's it going, fellas? This is Rusty

30:19

from Idaho. I was wondering, most

30:22

of the Bigfoot encounters I've heard are

30:24

negative or scary

30:27

in a way. I'm wondering if you guys

30:29

have heard any stories or encounters about

30:31

a funny encounter when the Bigfoot did

30:33

something funny, waved or laughed

30:36

at somebody. You know what I mean? Do you guys know of any

30:39

uplifting or positive Bigfoot

30:41

encounters? Because it seems like everyone's always just scared.

30:44

But anyway, I love the podcast, fellas.

30:46

Keep it up. Yeah,

30:47

most are benign. Most

30:50

of us is the Bigfoot just taking off and you get brief

30:53

seconds

30:54

of it taking off in the whiskey, and

30:57

there's tons of reports of people having,

31:00

maybe not amusing, but you're

31:03

not going to hear because all the Bigfoot podcasts put on the

31:05

intense encounters. That's what people want to hear. People aren't going

31:07

to tune into a show where you just talk about,

31:10

I saw one walk away or like that. That's

31:13

what people want to hear, and that's what the media

31:16

generates. But most accounts

31:18

are benign. There are a lot of scary

31:20

reports.

31:22

There are the humorous ones, and there's

31:24

reports of them helping people, carrying

31:27

injured people out of the woods, rescuing children.

31:31

Our episode two, I think it was, Bigfoot and the

31:33

Bear, about

31:34

the kid in North Carolina disappeared. He said a bear

31:36

kept him warm at night in a cave and carried him around.

31:39

There's the one in Oregon where a kid was back in the

31:41

80s, got rescued

31:43

and the Coast Guard chopper that was flying had

31:46

a thermal limiter. They said it was the biggest

31:48

creature they ever saw wild in North America.

31:51

It came out and set the kid down,

31:54

and went back into the woods and the

31:56

kid said that a big hairy man

31:58

bear thing was. and we're not keeping them

32:01

warm. So there's stories like that for sure.

32:03

You know, and as far as Sasquatches being scary, I

32:06

don't see it like that. I see the person being scared

32:08

and that's an entirely different thing. I mean,

32:11

except, you know, except for like when they're screaming

32:13

at you or throwing stuff or trying to chase you out of an area,

32:15

then they're trying to be scary. But for the most part, Sasquatches

32:18

are just doing what they do and the human is

32:20

scared, but that doesn't make the Sasquatch scary.

32:22

That makes the human scared. There's a difference

32:24

there. And I keep thinking back to one

32:26

of the things that we investigated on Finding Bigfoot. I

32:29

want to say it was in Tennessee that

32:31

this dude saw one through his window and

32:33

it seemed

32:33

to be imitating his facial movements.

32:36

Oh yeah. Yeah, I remember that. And of course,

32:38

all it takes is a person to have panicked there and

32:40

suddenly the Bigfoot was making scary faces at

32:43

him. No, no, the human was scared.

32:45

It's a perception issue, you know?

32:48

But yeah, and maybe that Sasquatch is just playing

32:51

with that person, you know, interacting

32:53

in some sort of way. And there are certainly

32:55

lots of benign stories about

32:58

them interacting, but most of the time they aren't

33:00

seen. For example, when some

33:02

people have left food out for them and when they

33:04

go back to the offering pile

33:06

or whatever you want to call it, the

33:09

food is gone except for a number

33:12

of apples or whatever they left that

33:14

are equal to the number of humans that left it.

33:16

So it kind of shows that Sasquatches, there's some sort of altruism

33:19

there. There's some sort of idea of sharing

33:22

with the Sasquatch, which I think is really

33:25

interesting. It kind of parallels a lot

33:27

of the studies being done on chimpanzees and whatnot,

33:29

learning how chimpanzees mourn their dead or

33:32

have these other human emotions and

33:34

want to share and do these sort of things. Sasquatches are

33:36

no different. We can learn a lot about

33:38

ourselves and our own behaviors by studying Sasquatches

33:41

and all the other ape species because again, we're

33:43

just another one of those. We're a special ape, but

33:45

we aren't ape. You know, that's our family. We're closely

33:47

related to them and a lot of our behaviors are parallel

33:50

to them.

33:50

There's a lot to learn there. There's a lot to learn from these

33:53

animals and about ourselves. And

33:56

as far as like laughing and whatnot, Tom

33:58

Powell told me, he thought a Sasquatch laughed.

33:59

at him once. He was,

34:02

I think it was after all that Chaelist

34:04

stuff, the Chaelist project that he details in his

34:06

excellent book called The Locals. Everybody should read

34:09

that. It's a great one. And I think he

34:11

was

34:12

banging on the trees and doing stuff out in Chaelist,

34:14

didn't get any results or something,

34:17

came home and he heard a knock or something

34:19

in the back of his property. And he goes, Oh, great, they're here.

34:21

And I think this is the same night. I could be wrong.

34:23

But I remember he was walking up the porch and

34:26

he stumbled because he had to walk upstairs,

34:28

get in Tom Powell's house. And he stumbled.

34:31

And when he stumbled, he said that something

34:33

laughed at him from the woods. My

34:36

dad had one laugh at him in New Mexico when he was putting,

34:38

when they were up in the hay barn, we were out on the

34:40

Hickory reservation back

34:42

in 2004. There was a couple nights before I had my desk

34:44

siding.

34:45

And my dad was putting on his, changing his underwear

34:48

and he's, you

34:48

know, put, we went to slip on

34:51

his chonies. He got his big

34:53

toe stuck in it and it made him stumble

34:55

and fall forward. And he heard giggling. And then he heard

34:57

like, like little kids and he

34:59

heard a big and they all went dead quiet.

35:02

And I goes, Hey, who's up there? And started,

35:04

you know, going, who's, who is that? And

35:06

they ran and jumped out of the barn. We heard

35:08

him, we heard him yell and we heard the running, the boom,

35:11

boom, boom. And they jumped out and the

35:13

things didn't break stride running away.

35:15

And

35:15

then we heard a big clunk and he had

35:18

sheets of, you know, like 18 inch

35:20

wide sheet metal that siding that

35:22

had blown off in a storm that was laying out, you know, 50

35:25

yards from the barn. And as they're running out one

35:27

stepped on it, it was a,

35:29

about a 15 to 16 inch, you

35:31

get the outline of, it wasn't

35:33

like a perfect outline, but you can see where it had

35:36

stepped on it. The dew was disturbed on it

35:38

and everything. I mean,

35:39

it was, it just happened. And my

35:41

dad goes, that son of a bitch was laughing at me. Oh,

35:44

poor Fireball. He thought it was kids.

35:48

Other apes laugh. They laugh

35:50

if they don't do it in the same way we do, but they express

35:52

the same emotion in a different way. Animals

35:55

are known to basically laugh. And I think

35:57

that's really cool. We're not so different.

36:00

No. But Cliff, I just got to say for

36:02

all the people that are screaming at their phones or computers

36:04

right

36:05

now, Sasquatch can definitely be scary.

36:07

They can't be scary. They can be scary.

36:10

Oh, sure they can. Sure they can. But they can scare

36:12

people. And, you know, it's like when we went to Australia

36:15

and we were wondering, are they are dead? They had evil? Are they like

36:17

violent? No. So researchers down

36:19

there who are putting that on the animals, you know?

36:22

I don't know. You haven't listened to all

36:24

the reports and read all the reports from the website that

36:26

I've read where they've, I've heard

36:28

eyewitness accounts talking where they, it

36:30

seemed like they were in jeopardy. I

36:33

understand. I just see a fear as a perception

36:36

of the person, you know? I imagine

36:39

a stone cold, you know, cowboy

36:42

sort dealing with grizzly bears probably isn't afraid

36:44

of them, but

36:45

people from the city would be terrified of them. So

36:47

I think it's a lot in the observer

36:49

itself is what I'm trying to say. Oh, that's that's

36:51

a lot of it, but they can they can definitely

36:54

be scary. Absolutely. Absolutely.

36:56

They scare me.

36:57

If people have looked them in the eye, like close and

36:59

close up to a big male or even the females,

37:02

like the look, the looks of just pure,

37:04

like stare, they gave me the look they gave.

37:06

I mean, it could just be their natural countenance, but

37:09

they say like people say like they're like they

37:11

saw them at first when they first locked eyes, that they had like

37:13

a neutral expression that it just pure

37:15

hatred just burns out of them just out of, you

37:18

know, and

37:18

start growling. I'm absolutely

37:21

positive they can be horrifyingly scary, horrifyingly

37:24

scary. But how much of that

37:26

is perception of the observer versus

37:29

the intent of the Sasquatch? I don't know.

37:31

I think it's their intent. They know exactly

37:33

what they're going to do. They know what reaction they're going to get out

37:35

of it when they do certain things for sure. I mean, they

37:38

they know human psychology on

37:40

that level, I think really well. Well,

37:42

I've always said they don't speak English, but they're effective

37:44

communicators. Yeah. Amen.

37:47

I'm with you. I don't we're not that far off. So I think you're

37:49

taking issue with something may not be there. So

37:51

I'm just saying it takes a person to be afraid for them

37:54

to be scary. Right.

37:55

I accept your apology. We'll move on. I

37:59

wish I had an apology. for you, bubs. Stay

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Okay, the first one is from Robert Mancera.

39:01

Can you share your thoughts on the Redwood Playboy

39:04

footage on Walker Road? Do you guys

39:06

think the footage is real or fake? Jeff

39:08

Meldrum, Thomas Steenberg, and Danny Perez

39:11

all went there to check it out at one

39:13

time. I've been there many times. Yeah,

39:16

I was just there a few months ago, actually.

39:18

I was there a week and a half ago. The

39:21

size is impressive, but then

39:23

when you dug high check,

39:25

when you start slow mowing and you see

39:27

a bell bottom on one of the steps

39:30

on a tennis shoe,

39:32

that's hard to ignore. Yeah,

39:34

yeah. There's stuff there that implies it's

39:37

real. There's stuff there that implies it's fake. It's

39:40

just one of those things at this point where I'm comfortable

39:42

enough just to say, I'm not so sure about that

39:44

one. Maybe, maybe not. I

39:47

could be probably convinced either way, but at

39:49

this point, I don't think it really matters. We

39:51

know there are Sasquatches there.

39:53

Right. Well, I remember that

39:55

family that was hosting the campground across

39:57

the river from there and all the stuff they had happen.

39:59

Yeah, they were really interesting. Yeah.

40:03

There's Bigfoot's there with that one in the costume

40:05

or a real one. I

40:07

don't know. You listen to Jeff, you're like, well, that's really

40:09

compelling. You sit with Doug, I

40:12

check and then

40:13

he goes, look at this and he blows

40:15

it up and frees strange. You're like, dude, that's a shoe and

40:17

a pant leg or a costume leg.

40:20

That's the problem with hoaxers. They pollute

40:22

the waters. I'm

40:24

not saying that they hoax this or anything. They might have been hoaxed

40:26

or maybe it's real.

40:29

I don't know. There's some things in there that like, well,

40:31

is that a strap? It looks like a suit. Then

40:35

there's rumors of people, write

40:37

a motorbike to the location with a monkey. I don't

40:39

know, rumors and whatever. At some point,

40:41

it's something that we as Bigfootters probably need to

40:43

remember a little bit more often. It's

40:45

Bigfoot. In a way, it doesn't matter. We

40:49

know that they're real animals. Is that film

40:51

real or is the person, the psychopath who put

40:53

it out, who wants to fool everybody

40:56

and gets off on it somehow? I don't know. I'm

40:58

neutral on that one. I really haven't spent that

41:00

much time on it.

41:01

The location is great. I'll tell you that.

41:03

Yeah. It's a big tourist stop now. They've

41:06

turned that Walker Road and they've

41:08

enlarged like a turning lane.

41:11

It used to be relatively,

41:14

you get people in the summer, but there's people that

41:16

are year-round now and it's

41:18

a major tourist spot. I thought they did

41:21

something to it because I remember just being like this little

41:23

podunk road that went off into the

41:25

woods and stuff. But now there's a parking

41:27

lot and there's trash cans and

41:29

trailhead and everything. Yeah. Of

41:32

course, and I don't know what tree was by either, but I

41:34

think if you went about two miles past that,

41:37

you'd probably be in

41:38

the zone.

41:39

Definitely.

41:40

Yeah. Again, I was just there literally. When

41:42

I went down to California for that funeral, for my buddy's

41:45

funeral, I dropped by

41:47

there on the way back up and looked around and filmed a

41:49

little bit of it and stuff in case I want to use it for the Patreon

41:51

stuff. But I thought

41:53

it had changed, but I thought maybe I wasn't quite

41:56

sure at the time. So I'm glad you verified that for me.

41:58

Let's go to the next written one then.

42:00

Your turn, Bose.

42:01

This is from Lee Wilson. When

42:03

Bigfoot is proved as an actual living animal,

42:05

do you think zoos and Disneyland

42:07

type businesses will want a

42:10

Bigfoot on display and what can be done

42:12

to stop that happening? Great

42:14

show, guys. Keep up the good work.

42:16

I don't know. I mean, if they're proven to be in the

42:18

hominin line, I think

42:21

they wouldn't be allowed to.

42:22

I hope they wouldn't be allowed to. Yeah, but certainly

42:24

they'd want to because, you know, corporations

42:27

are driven by the almighty dollar and all

42:29

that sort of stuff. And you see how

42:31

a lot of

42:32

these

42:33

organizations practically abuse

42:35

animals now. You

42:37

know, of course, zoos and whatnot, they're necessary.

42:40

They're necessary for preservation of genotypes

42:42

and DNA stuff. And they

42:45

play a role. I'm

42:47

not hitting zoos and stuff like that. I'm

42:50

not so sure they need to be put on,

42:51

you know, like, you know, clap monkey clap

42:53

sort of stuff. Like, I'm

42:56

pretty uncomfortable with the big whales,

42:58

for example, in places in like the marine parks

43:01

being put on display and made the new

43:03

tricks and living in a very, very,

43:06

very, very, very small enclosure. I'm

43:08

not super hyped on that, but I understand the role

43:11

of these institutions and trying to

43:13

counteract a little bit about the damage to the environment

43:16

and ecosystem that humans tend to do.

43:20

I'm not sure they'd be they would

43:22

live because let's look at the

43:24

mountain gorilla, for example, there

43:26

are no mountain gorillas in captivity

43:29

because they don't live. They die.

43:32

Maybe they crush their spirit. Maybe it's a diet thing,

43:34

but they humans have never successfully

43:37

kept mountain gorillas in captivity for extended

43:39

periods of time. That was true for great white

43:42

sharks, too, for a long time. And it kind of still is

43:44

because Monterey Bay Aquarium, for example, they

43:46

do go out and they capture juvenile great white sharks

43:48

and they have a wonderful pelagic display with

43:51

tunas and Dorado and sunfish

43:53

and all these amazing big deep water

43:55

pelagic species of fish. And they

43:58

put great white sharks in there because

43:59

the tank is big enough. But even then they

44:02

get big, they let them go eventually. Some

44:05

animals just do not do well

44:07

in captivity. And I have a sneak in suspicion

44:10

that Sasquatches are going to be one of these. And

44:12

really, I mean, how bummed out would it be? And would

44:15

people want to see a bummed out, depressed, you

44:17

know, ape? It'd be too dangerous to

44:19

keep. And dude, there's having

44:21

a, you know, eight,

44:24

nine foot, eight, nine hundred pound animal.

44:26

The fastest animal at your zoo, the quickest,

44:29

the smartest with hands.

44:31

I mean, you know, trying to like trick

44:33

them, like, you know, getting them to go in and out of from the

44:35

daytime enclosure to the nighttime enclosure, you're

44:37

going to clean up the,

44:39

you know, the water features. You got to isolate

44:41

them. Like, good luck, dude. I mean, like

44:44

the way those things can jump and

44:46

I mean,

44:47

how strong they're like, even like that

44:49

bulletproof glass, I think they'd be starting

44:51

to pick up a rock. If a Bigfoot

44:53

had, you know, something that could just pick up and smash

44:56

it, it could smash its way through. I mean, I just

44:58

don't see it. Unless you have little ones. Orangutans

45:01

routinely escape their enclosures. They

45:04

figure out how things are kept. Like they unscrew

45:06

things with their hands,

45:08

you know, because they're amazingly strong. It's nothing

45:10

for an orangutan to pick up a 500 pound weight and

45:13

carry it around. Nothing for them. And

45:15

their fingers have a huge crushing strength.

45:17

They can actually literally unscrew the bolts

45:19

and whatnot on the glass enclosures. And

45:21

they've been known to escape this way. So

45:23

they have some zoos have trouble orangutans

45:26

that escape multiple times. And

45:29

they coax them back in the cage because you know, at the

45:31

end of the day, the orangutans in charge. Essentially,

45:33

at the end of the day, all humans can do is coax them

45:36

in the right direction. And Sasquatches

45:38

would be way more troublesome than that. They

45:40

would be such a pain in the butt to keep. I

45:42

don't even know how you do it. You'd have to have some you ever

45:45

see that movie, the Iceman back in the 80s or

45:47

whatever. Yeah, with like they

45:49

some thought out Neanderthal comes back to

45:51

life and he's in some enclosure like that. It

45:54

would have to be something like that. But even that how

45:56

would that work?

45:57

These things are so strong, so smart.

45:59

and problem solving, just like,

46:02

you know, it's just, I don't see how it can be done.

46:05

But certainly, corporations would want to do

46:07

that because what a great attraction that would be and

46:10

how much money would they make? But I

46:12

don't know, I don't think it would be a great attraction, I think it'd be

46:14

depressing.

46:15

They'd have a, well, I'll tell you this,

46:18

like some Eastern European countries

46:20

and Asian countries, they'd have no problem displaying

46:22

them. You know, there'd be no

46:23

moral qualms. Yeah, yeah, and

46:26

I'm sure the moral, I don't think the Sasquatch would have

46:28

any moral qualms ripping their arms off

46:31

either. Definitely

46:33

not. No, and I might be on the side of the Sasquatch

46:35

on that one. Oh yeah, you're locking

46:37

them up for nothing, or something,

46:40

but I mean, not

46:41

worth it. I

46:43

mean, if they're really, I just want like a gorilla

46:45

type thing, which I do not think at all, but

46:47

then maybe you can justify it more, but

46:50

they're not in danger of going extinct. There's

46:52

no good reason, I mean, besides, how

46:55

much are you really gonna learn from them to setting them in a captive environment

46:57

versus, you know, it's gonna be hard

46:59

to study them. I mean,

47:02

even with tons of funding, it'll be doable,

47:04

but it's gonna be really, like, they're gonna stay

47:06

mysterious. Even if they come out tomorrow that they're

47:09

real, and every university puts a research

47:11

team of post-grad guys out there and they do, they

47:13

got the funding for the long range,

47:16

surveillance cameras and like high tech,

47:19

the latest high tech gear. It's

47:21

gonna take them a long time to really

47:23

learn about them. Like,

47:26

I don't think we're gonna know that much about them in my lifetime.

47:28

No, no, they gotta start from ground zero because

47:30

all the data so far gathered is questionable.

47:33

Especially it's polluted with the paranormal stuff and

47:35

the hoaxes and all that jazz. They gotta

47:37

weed through all that sort of stuff. And at the end of the day, they'll

47:40

probably just throw out the data that we have. They'll keep

47:42

it around for historical reasons and stuff, you know,

47:44

and probably learn a little bit from it, but it's

47:46

all suspect according to the scientists

47:48

because they weren't the ones who collected it.

47:50

You know, and you know, Meldrum stuff hopefully

47:53

would be used, you know, and a couple other folks, hopefully

47:55

their stuff would be pristine enough,

47:59

you know, a chain of custody.

47:59

sort of thing and they can

48:02

be used to further their knowledge but

48:04

they're basically starting from ground zero or

48:07

less than ground zero because they don't think these things are real

48:09

right now and that's below zero that's negative

48:11

starting from

48:12

ground negative two next

48:15

the next question comes from Jacob K

48:17

in

48:18

the age of AI special effects

48:21

and advanced computer graphics how

48:23

difficult will it be to decipher

48:25

future evidence is being legitimate or

48:27

hoaxed

48:28

for videos in like five years it's

48:30

gonna be very very difficult

48:33

yeah so which I guess comes

48:36

back to if someone is lucky

48:38

enough to get footage

48:41

you got to get some other supporting evidence goes

48:43

with it you

48:44

know you don't have to but it sure would be helpful

48:46

otherwise it's just gonna be another piece of footage that people

48:48

are gonna say it's fake even if it's real

48:50

people are gonna say it's fake because in

48:52

their minds big foods aren't real and

48:54

we have real footage now and they still say it's fake

48:57

but the Patterson stuff Patterson

48:59

Gimlin stuff is pretty hard to deal

49:01

with as far as skeptics go in my opinion because

49:03

the footprints that are there the

49:06

footprints were observed by people besides Roger

49:08

and Bob who were there several people

49:10

saw the footprints in the ground Bob Titmus

49:12

went out and cast ten of them in a row to

49:15

add to the two that Roger and Bob got so there's 12

49:17

of them in a row oh well

49:20

ten of them are in a row we don't know what the other two came from

49:22

because they didn't document that the scene well

49:24

enough frankly but um

49:26

they're supporting evidence is very very

49:28

strong

49:30

for the PG film and there

49:32

aren't a whole lot of other footage pieces of

49:34

footage that have any supporting evidence like that

49:36

the Freeman stuff does which adds

49:38

a lot of credibility to the Freeman footage or at

49:40

least one of his footage is the other one he didn't get any cast

49:42

from it but yeah

49:44

so if you're lucky enough to get footage you need something

49:46

else because someone's gonna call you liar so people

49:49

are saying that I'm the the Stacey Brown

49:51

footage was computer-generated say

49:54

dude have you never met Stacey Brown like

49:57

dude I laughed with Stacey

49:59

about that

49:59

around Junior at least. This

50:02

person over here is saying that you did this on

50:04

computer. And he goes like, what? I

50:06

don't know how to do that. I said, I know that

50:08

man. You're a good guy, but like, you don't know how to do

50:10

that.

50:12

Yeah. So I don't know. People are going to accuse

50:15

you of doing AI stuff

50:17

anyway, especially nowadays. So

50:19

that's why more data is necessary

50:21

from any film site,

50:23

in my opinion. Yeah, that's why I was

50:25

talking to Rick. And when we were talking to Rick Noll, a couple episodes

50:28

ago, I was saying, do you carry a film

50:30

camera? Just so there's less controversy

50:32

as opposed to digital? And he's like, he

50:36

uses digital for the money. And he has

50:38

them, and he brings them. But I

50:40

guess it's too expensive to try

50:42

to shoot. If you shot every weird thing you

50:44

saw in the woods, what's that show? You

50:46

start taking pictures just in case it is something,

50:49

you'd go through a lot of money. Yeah,

50:51

it reminds me of when I had film trail

50:54

cameras. Oh, that's the worst. Oh,

50:56

the worst. They're slow. And it costs like,

50:58

you know, back the day, like 12, eight or 12 bucks

51:01

or something to find out you got a bunch of pictures of nothing.

51:03

Leaves falling and birds flying and

51:06

grass blowing. Yeah, I think the best thing to do

51:08

is remain totally incompetent on

51:11

technology and then go get footage.

51:14

Like Bob, if you got footage, no one is going to accuse

51:16

you of generating AI images, you

51:19

know? I got my

51:22

same camera that Roger used, the Kodak,

51:25

SINNAM100. Yeah. I

51:28

got that. So, but the film for that, I think for

51:30

two rolls of film for that, it's like $170 now. Oh,

51:33

wow. Wow.

51:35

But that works. It's proven.

51:38

Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, they don't

51:40

like the sound of the electronics or something. That's the way to do

51:42

it. Because it's a totally analog camera, spring wound.

51:44

All

51:45

right. Well, we're down to our last question. So,

51:47

Bob, do you want to take it?

51:49

All right. This comes from

51:51

Lake and Arnold.

51:52

I was recently out in the woods

51:54

and I stumbled upon a very large copperhead

51:56

that maybe wonder if Sasquatches are

51:58

immune to snake venom. Do

52:00

you guys think that Sasquatch's are immune to

52:02

venomous snake bites? Or do you think they

52:04

just have

52:05

the skills to avoid actually stepping on them in

52:08

general?

52:09

They must step on them on accident at times

52:11

for sure. And I think it's more that the mass

52:13

of them would make them survive something

52:16

like that. They'd probably get a bad infection,

52:18

get some dead rotten meat there, but I'm sure

52:21

they could live through it. They

52:24

hunt snakes. We know they eat snakes. So...

52:27

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think that instead of

52:29

stepping on one or accidentally stepping close

52:31

to one and getting bit, they probably see it before the

52:33

snake knows and then eat the thing. They're

52:35

walking at night. They

52:38

have to get bit once in a while walking out there. You know what I

52:40

mean? I suppose. I suppose. I

52:42

think the Sasquatches are eating everything that they're running across. Oh

52:44

yeah, they'll step on it and then eat it. There

52:47

you go. Like I do my food. Nothing

52:50

like a good flat burrito. Yeah, I

52:52

think snakes are on the menu and they're

52:54

looking for those things all the time for their

52:56

own purposes. If you're

52:59

always looking for a snake, not out of fear,

53:01

but for out of hunger, you're

53:03

probably going to see a lot more snakes because your

53:05

life depends on it. I think that that probably helped

53:07

you avoid getting bit quite a few times. But

53:09

yeah, certainly in all history, some, yeah,

53:12

sure, some Sasquatches probably got bit, but

53:14

I think far more snakes got eaten.

53:16

Yeah, I talked to someone in the South one time. I can't

53:18

remember who or when or what even stayed, but it was

53:20

like Florida, Georgia or something like that.

53:23

They saw a Bigfoot reach

53:25

down, snatch a snake and just whip it like

53:27

a bull whip and smack its head off a rock,

53:29

whatever,

53:30

killed it and then walked away with it.

53:32

Makes sense. I mean, I've eaten snake.

53:35

It's good. Yeah, I like

53:36

it. I guess that's it. I think that's it for this

53:38

one. Well, actually kind of not it because we have

53:40

a member saying to go record now from questions

53:43

just submitted from our membership folks.

53:46

So why don't we wrap this one up and we can continue

53:48

recording for our members. And that's that. I

53:50

guess that episode will be released this coming Thursday. I

53:53

just joined Patreon and

53:55

I just started listening to it this week. And

53:59

I got to say. You haven't heard it, Cliff.

54:01

Pruitt's intro to the beyond

54:04

Bigfoot and beyond Patreon is hilarious.

54:08

Really? Yeah. You're right. I

54:10

haven't heard it because I don't listen to our own show. I figured I've

54:12

already spoken at once. Why do I need to listen to it?

54:15

Sarah, you're an awesome IM. No,

54:17

I guess that's true. I can never get enough awesomeness

54:19

of Bobes. Take

54:22

us out, Bobes. All right, folks. Thanks

54:24

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54:28

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