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1:31

Hey Bobes. How you doing, man? What's up,

1:33

Cliff? I just got done with an amazing

1:36

interview with a fantastic witness

1:38

you missed it, man Barbara was awesome.

1:41

And for all you listeners, you're gonna be able to hear what

1:43

Barbara has to say in just a few minutes after This but

1:45

Bobo had some issues today. Yeah,

1:47

I got done with physical therapy because yesterday my

1:49

phone my

1:51

Recording setup wasn't working so good. I needed to

1:53

get new headphones and I

1:55

went to Target and got them and got

1:57

back on his you know, they got back and said like 10 minutes

2:00

before we were gonna start recording. So I was like, oh great, I made

2:02

it in time. Yeah, and kudos to you, Bobs,

2:04

because you called me an hour beforehand and said, Glo, if I'm

2:06

gonna go to Target and get new headphones, which I applaud

2:09

you for, because we've had problems with your headphones for a few

2:11

weeks now. And you got back

2:14

right when you told me you were going to. It was like 3.05

2:17

when I was on the call or whatever. I got back 15

2:19

minutes before that, I was trying to break in. Oh,

2:21

I was trying to break into what? My

2:24

house. I had a key

2:26

made, like, God, it was like probably a year and a half ago, and

2:29

it was for the house. And they

2:31

gave me that little janky little key ring, like that

2:33

little cheap, thin one. Yeah,

2:35

the one, you're just supposed to throw that away, aren't you?

2:38

Yeah, but I just clipped it on my key

2:40

ring, and I've had it for like a year and a half, and it

2:42

actually

2:43

came off about six or seven

2:45

weeks ago, and I put it on, I was like, I gotta

2:47

remember to go to the locksmith

2:50

or the hardware store and get a copy made, and get

2:53

a real key ring, you know?

2:56

And frickin' thing, I didn't hear it fall

2:58

off. It's the parking

3:01

lot, so right along the 101 freeway, and there's

3:03

cars and people, and so I

3:06

just didn't hear it fall, I guess. And I get home,

3:08

and then I was like, oh, man. And

3:10

then I, so I went, we have a hide-a-key, I went and got the

3:12

hide-a-key, it was the wrong key. So

3:15

you lost your house key, and then

3:17

your hide-a-key wasn't the right key?

3:20

Yeah, it was a quickset

3:22

lock, and it was a quickset, it looked just like

3:24

it, it looked just like it, but it didn't work. And

3:27

I knew it was, I was like, going, I don't know if this is the right

3:29

one, because it wasn't all like,

3:30

the other one we had, there was another for like a couple years,

3:33

so it's like fully like got salt damage

3:36

to it, you know, it's like it's been sitting on the beach

3:38

for a couple years, so I was like, this thing's

3:40

pretty smooth, I don't know, I

3:42

noticed that when I was, I thought, oh, it's a pretty split-out of new

3:44

key, and then it doesn't work at all,

3:46

I was just like, oh my God, so then I was

3:49

able to gimme up, like I

3:51

climbed up on my neighbor's trash cans, because the

3:54

bathroom window's probably about nine feet, the

3:56

bottom's about nine feet off the ground,

3:58

and I was like trying to, stack trash

4:00

cans and make it not wobbly to climb

4:03

up to get in the window. And I

4:05

got the window open. Like I had to like pound it

4:07

without breaking it to get the stick that we

4:09

put in there to keep it like locked because

4:11

there's no lock on it. It rusted

4:13

away. Of course. I got that stick

4:15

to fall. Then I got the window all the way up. And then,

4:18

but I was only up to about my neck to

4:20

the window and I was trying to

4:22

hop up. I couldn't pull myself up and get

4:24

in the window because it was such a tight squeeze because

4:26

it's a small window. Then I got stuck there

4:29

for like two minutes. I was like killing

4:31

my chest. I couldn't breathe. I was like, oh my God.

4:33

So I

4:34

got down. I got down without falling. Actually, that was good.

4:37

I was like, OK, I got to find someone to climb in this window.

4:39

Someone, you know, something smaller. But

4:41

there's no one around like usually the workers

4:44

are around here like working on

4:46

their houses and stuff. And they're all gone. I

4:48

was like, oh, man. So I was just

4:51

looking around for somebody. Then I walked

4:53

down. I was like, oh, it's like three three

4:55

fifteen or whatever. Like those

4:58

kids are coming up from school usually around now.

5:01

I'll get one of them. So

5:03

I walked down a couple of blocks down to the main

5:05

street. There's a bunch of kids that walk down that road

5:07

now because the school bus drops them off and they've they've been caught

5:10

on. We had a rash of break ins the last

5:12

year. Not not the last couple of months,

5:15

but people

5:15

had them on their on their doorbell

5:18

cameras and stuff like these junior

5:21

high kids and high school teen kids

5:23

breaking into people's houses all the time. Oh,

5:26

yeah. You might as well put you might as well put their skills to good use.

5:28

Then that's what I was thinking. I'm like, these kids, I

5:30

got experience with this stuff. Then I started thinking,

5:32

like, I don't want to get too old of a kid because then I

5:35

know how to get into this place and I don't want

5:37

to become a target. So I was like,

5:39

I don't want to get too like, you know, like I

5:41

want to get a kid looks like like a boy scout, not like,

5:43

you know, some skate punk kid that look like one of

5:45

my friends growing up, some hooligan

5:48

or something. So I was like, I see these two kids,

5:50

two boys walking up and I was like, oh, perfect,

5:53

they're like, like fifth, sixth grade or something. Well,

5:55

hey, what's up, you guys? And like kind

5:57

of a stranger danger, you know, there's like. They

6:00

said, nod the high, hello,

6:02

whatever. And they're, hey, you guys, want

6:05

to exit money? I go, I'll give you like five bucks.

6:07

If you go climb my bathroom window, I'm

6:09

locked out and just go in and unlock the door for

6:11

me.

6:12

The kid looks at each

6:14

other and looks at me, and I'm like, look, I'll give you 10

6:17

bucks. They

6:19

start walking away faster, and their eyes are all big,

6:21

and they're scared, but they

6:23

just start running. I was like, oh,

6:25

no. I was like, oh, my god. They're going

6:27

to run home and tell their parents I tried to

6:30

kidnap them. You know, like, hey, you

6:32

want some candy? You know, you want some money? Come

6:34

with me and climb in this bathroom window. And

6:37

they just took off running the night. I took off running

6:39

the other way. And

6:42

I was sitting out front just waiting

6:44

for the cops to pull up, and I'm like, oh, I gotta

6:46

explain this one. Yeah, you

6:48

try to sneak them into your house somehow. Right,

6:51

right. It's not a good look, Bobo. It's not a good look. It's

6:54

one of those things, like, you know, you get caught in that situation, like,

6:56

but really, I was just, you know, like, you just look

6:58

guilty no matter what. Yeah, no matter what.

7:01

And anybody who doesn't know your background would

7:03

say, that doesn't happen to people. You

7:06

know, there's no way that you lost a key on a key chain,

7:08

and then the other one doesn't work, and

7:11

this is nonsense. It's like watching an

7:13

episode of Seinfeld with Kramer or something. Exactly.

7:16

Well, you live like that, man. How do you deal

7:18

with

7:18

your life, man? I hate it. It

7:21

just must be so frustrating. It is,

7:23

because I was back on time, like, I was going to

7:25

be all set, ready to go, have

7:27

my new equipment, and then also,

7:30

I don't have my key, and then the key

7:32

in the hiding spot is the wrong key.

7:34

Weird. Yeah. Well,

7:36

you missed a great witness, unfortunately. Her name's Barbara,

7:39

and I guess you'll be listening

7:42

to the podcast. It's like all of our listeners will

7:44

be listening after this. So

7:46

I guess with this, Bobs, why don't we just

7:49

cut to my interview with Barbara, and

7:51

you can enjoy the episode along with everyone else.

7:53

Yeah, I want to hear this. You've been raving

7:55

about her, man. I'm so bummed I missed

7:58

her. I just, ah. So

8:00

she's super cool. She's 100% legit

8:02

man. And she had a crazy encounter. So

8:05

listeners, Bobo feast your ears

8:07

on this.

8:08

Will do. Hello, everybody.

8:11

Welcome to another episode of big fun

8:13

beyond with Cliff and every once in a while

8:15

Bobo. Bobo is not here,

8:17

although he is currently as I say

8:19

this desperately trying to

8:23

break into his own house.

8:25

That's true. I'd rather Bobo

8:27

get to tell you this story and I

8:29

mean, I've been to Bobo's house. I know what it looks like.

8:32

I know the quality of the house. It really should

8:34

not be that hard to break into the house. A

8:36

good push on the front wall would collapse

8:38

half of it. So I really think

8:41

that we will be hearing from Bobo at some time

8:43

in the next hour, but I cannot guarantee

8:45

that. I wish I could. And

8:48

I'll tell you, it is quite the story this time.

8:51

As you know, Bobo has a cloud of chaos following

8:54

him around wherever he goes, just like pig pen

8:56

from the Snoopy cartoon has a cloud

8:59

of filth following him around. But

9:01

chaos has struck again. Murphy's

9:04

law has struck again. Bobo

9:06

is just Bobo and there's nothing any

9:08

of us can do about it. Not even Bobo,

9:11

but at the same time,

9:12

that's the reason we all love Bobo, isn't it? Bobo

9:15

is himself unabashedly and unapologetically

9:18

and he's a victim of himself,

9:21

unfortunately. And today's another example

9:23

of that. But hopefully Bobo can break into his

9:25

own house and turn on the computer and

9:28

join us in the next few minutes

9:30

or hour or something. We'll see because

9:32

Bobo is going to be super bummed he's going to miss

9:34

this one. We have a fantastic guest today.

9:37

We've brought in this witness. This

9:39

woman, his name is Barbara. She came into the NABC

9:42

last week or something like that. And

9:44

I took a citing report from her and

9:46

it was just one of those citing reports

9:48

that I just knew I had to share with the

9:50

larger public. It is so great,

9:53

so dramatic and so unusual.

9:56

I just knew I had to share it with you guys and

9:58

because you know, I

9:59

am a.

9:59

Most sightings are the thing random ran

10:02

across the road or is standing on the side of the road and

10:04

it's a point on a map It is a place in

10:06

the time on a map that points us to maybe we

10:08

where we can look for Sasquatches in the future

10:11

But this one this one's a little special

10:13

in some ways and you'll see what I mean So

10:17

Barbara, oh by the way, if there's a that also

10:19

I want to let you guys know that Matt Prude is a fantastic

10:22

producer And he's gonna make this sound as good as possible.

10:24

But Barbara is actually sitting in the same room

10:26

as me right now So if you feel that this

10:29

that this podcast is not the same

10:32

audio quality or something like that,

10:34

that's why I know Matt's gonna do a great job cleaning

10:36

it up and making it sound great But Barbara and I

10:38

are sitting around a microphone together upstairs

10:41

at the North American Bigfoot Center right

10:43

now So if you probably hear some of the room

10:45

noise room ambience and that sort of thing So

10:48

I wanted to explain that as well. But

10:50

Barbara, thank you very much for coming

10:53

on Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and every once in a while Bobo,

10:56

thank you Cliff. It's nice to Yeah,

10:58

thank you. Thank you so much Well, let's start

11:00

by talking about your background

11:02

a little bit because you are a very competent

11:05

observer because of some of the things You've done in your life

11:08

like law enforcement, for example, so can you tell us a

11:10

little bit about your background?

11:11

Sure I have

11:13

degrees in building inspection plans examining

11:16

and worked in Marion County doing that

11:19

until the housing

11:21

crunch in the 80s and Then

11:24

I went into law enforcement

11:25

because there's no shortage of criminals No,

11:27

and I don't think there ever will be I stayed there with

11:29

Multnomah County for 16 years

11:31

as a deputy and After

11:34

that I retired were you a

11:36

beaten copper? Just a dust thing or what were

11:38

you doing for that because I was a lot my father was a sheriff

11:41

So there's all sorts of roles. What did

11:43

you do? I did everything from courthouse

11:45

to transports

11:47

When I injured my knees, I end up with

11:49

three total knees Then I

11:52

went in inside correctional facilities

11:55

because I could work for controls and things like

11:57

that. Great. Okay now the siding

12:00

That was before you became a law enforcement officer,

12:02

is that right? Correct. Okay,

12:04

okay. Very good. Now, had you ever thought

12:07

about Sasquatches before the sighting

12:09

at all?

12:10

I had heard about Bigfoot, but I

12:12

used to laugh because I thought these people were

12:15

bonkers. I didn't believe in Bigfoot

12:17

at all. Okay,

12:19

and just to set the scene here, your

12:22

sighting happened when?

12:26

The first or second weekend in July. Okay,

12:29

very good. Well, let's just start from there. What

12:32

were you doing? Who were you with? How

12:35

did you get to the spot? All that sort of stuff. Just

12:37

tell us the whole story, and I'll prompt

12:39

you if I need to about questions. Okay,

12:42

I was dating a man who was a Native

12:44

American Indian. He

12:46

was 6'7",

12:47

very

12:48

bold-billed, because

12:51

of his Indian heritage, was able to gain

12:53

entrance to the Umatilla

12:55

Reservation where we ended up going that

12:57

weekend. We chased wild horses,

12:59

swam in the river, and just kind of spent

13:02

the whole day there. He said he knew his

13:04

favorite campsite, which was up in

13:07

above Pringville, about 20 miles

13:09

up on an old logging trail. He

13:12

used to go bow and arrow hunting from

13:14

the time he was 12 up in that

13:17

area. We

13:19

had his Jeep. The ride-up

13:22

D logging trail was pretty hazardous

13:24

because it washed down in several spots.

13:27

We made it to the top, and there was a small plateau.

13:31

The plateau

13:33

ended. It was the end of

13:35

the trail from the logging trail. Under

13:38

one of the trees was a small, miniature,

13:42

beautiful little spring,

13:44

kind of like a mini crater lake.

13:47

So, an actual pit full

13:49

of water, kind of, or is it a spring seeping

13:51

out of the ground? No, it was a pit full of water right

13:54

at the base, the roots of a tree.

13:56

You could see quite a ways down

13:58

into the water. It was crystal clear. And this

14:00

is at the top of a mountain, so there's no other water

14:02

sources nearby. Correct. Okay.

14:05

Yeah,

14:06

we were about 30 to 50 feet from the ridge

14:08

going over the mountain.

14:10

So anyway, we made

14:13

a campfire, had

14:15

dinner, and we were pretty

14:17

tired from the

14:18

day's activities. So we went to bed in a

14:20

pup tent. And

14:23

about 3.30 in the morning, this

14:26

god-awful, screeching, screaming,

14:32

it's hard to describe. It made

14:35

your body vibrate. It

14:38

hurt your ears, and it was

14:40

just one after another.

14:43

And we had no idea what was going

14:46

on. So

14:47

he said to get out of the tent, and

14:50

it was pitch blackout. We couldn't see our hand in

14:52

front of our face. The fire had gone

14:54

out.

14:55

So we stood with our backs up against

14:57

a tree, and we couldn't

15:01

figure out what it was. We couldn't hear each other

15:03

as we were standing side by side because it was

15:05

so loud. So you couldn't hear yourself over

15:07

the screaming that woke you up?

15:10

No, because we both had guns. He had

15:12

a .45 and I had my .38.

15:14

And he said after a few minutes

15:17

of this, he said, I'm going to fire up in the

15:19

air and see if it scares whatever it is off.

15:22

And I said, if you do, we're dead.

15:25

And I truly believe that. So

15:27

I stepped forward into the Jeep, and he pulled

15:29

a switch. I don't know what

15:32

it turned on the headlights. Oh, okay. How

15:34

far away was the Jeep from the tree? Two

15:36

or three feet. Oh, so it was right there. You didn't

15:38

have to make a brake for it for 20 feet or something.

15:40

No, it was right there. And

15:43

turned on the lights, and

15:44

we saw three Bigfoot. He

15:47

was not a believer in Bigfoot. He'd

15:49

heard legends from his tribe that

15:52

his grandmother used to tell him, don't go out

15:54

hunting after dark because there's

15:57

a name that the Cherokee Nation has

15:59

for Bigfoot.

15:59

I can't pronounce it right now, but

16:01

he used to laugh at that thinking

16:04

she was just overprotective. Mm-hmm.

16:06

Where were the Sasquatches that you saw

16:09

when the lights came on? Probably 10

16:12

feet in front of the Jeep. So right there,

16:14

right in the spotlights? Right there.

16:17

Wow. What did they look like? Describe those

16:19

to us. Were they all the same or

16:21

were they different or what would they look like? They

16:23

appeared to be about the same height. They

16:26

weren't touching. They were

16:28

side by side and

16:29

I noticed they

16:31

didn't have a neck. They had

16:34

a concave head

16:36

shape. Oh, the conical shape? Yeah.

16:39

Conical? Yeah. And all I

16:41

could basically see was their eyes. They were very dark

16:44

color. We could tell they were angry.

16:46

They were just... I

16:48

wish I could better describe the noise. It

16:51

was unbelievable. It was horrifying. Was

16:53

it a high-pitched shriek or a low thing?

16:56

No, it was very high-pitched. I

16:58

couldn't even reach that pitch if I tried. It

17:01

was extremely high-pitched. Were the

17:04

screams long and drawn out

17:06

or were they short bursts? They

17:10

were shorter in

17:11

time-wise but they

17:14

were communicating. One

17:16

would scream and then

17:18

we would hear some behind us or one.

17:20

I can't tell. I didn't see it. And

17:23

then the other.

17:25

They were communicating with it. The

17:27

three that you saw right in front of

17:29

the jeep, ten or so feet in front of the jeep,

17:32

you would see one of them scream and

17:34

then one behind you in the

17:36

dark would answer. Yes, they would respond.

17:39

So it would be safe to say there were at least four there.

17:42

Exactly. Okay. Three

17:44

that I could see and the rest I had no idea. Okay.

17:47

Now, what color were the Sasquatches? Dark.

17:50

Very dark brown to black. Dark brown to black.

17:53

And all three the same, more or less the same color? Yes.

17:56

Like skin on their faces or any. No.

17:59

No, I couldn't. I could see eye glare,

18:01

but because

18:04

the Jeep was kind of tilted

18:06

slightly downward

18:07

from where they were standing, I

18:10

didn't get a full-on

18:12

shot of their face with the headlights. It

18:14

was more

18:15

from here down. Oh, I see. So the headlights illuminated,

18:18

made their chest downwards because

18:20

it was facing downslope and they were on maybe

18:22

an up slope, maybe in front of it. Is that right?

18:25

The Jeep was like this and they were kind

18:27

of on this little slanted spot

18:30

here. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Stay

18:33

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What color was the eye glow? The

19:48

reflection. It was

19:50

like the reflection of the headlight with maybe a

19:52

little bit of red in the eyes. But

19:55

that wasn't something I was real focused on. I

19:58

imagine not.

19:59

I really thought we were going to die because

20:02

you're witnessing something

20:04

that, number one, neither one of us believed in.

20:07

Number two, it's horrifying and

20:09

terrifying. And number three, I thought

20:11

they were going to kill us. We

20:13

didn't know why. Why they even appeared

20:15

in our camp. And then it dawned

20:18

on us later after the episode that we

20:20

were sitting on top of that spring.

20:22

And this is the middle of summer. So

20:25

that's probably their only drinking

20:27

source up on that ridge.

20:30

So of the three Sasquatches

20:33

that you had eyes on, not

20:35

counting the one behind you, do you think all

20:37

three of them vocalized at some point

20:39

or was it mostly one doing it or

20:42

could you even tell? I

20:44

couldn't really tell. It sounded different from

20:46

each one. They were, I

20:49

don't know how else to say it, communicating. And

20:52

I believe it was to see whether we lived or died.

20:55

How thirsty they were.

20:58

Were they moving at all or

21:00

were they stone still? What were they

21:02

doing actually while they were standing there screaming?

21:05

They were stone still

21:07

until, and I can't give an

21:09

estimate as to time, I'm guesstimating

21:12

five minutes, six minutes maybe. And

21:14

then they slowly started walking.

21:17

They turned slightly to

21:19

head up toward the ridge and

21:21

they never took their eyes or their head

21:24

off of us as they went up the hill. And they

21:26

continued to screaming until

21:29

they were well down the other side of the mountain

21:32

until we were out of earshot. And

21:34

we stood up on that tree for about

21:36

an hour and a half until daylight because

21:38

we were afraid to move. Sure. So

21:41

you had your backs against the tree, shoulder

21:43

to shoulder, looking at these things that

21:46

everybody else in your entire life has told you aren't real.

21:49

I just believed they were. Yeah.

21:51

You're just like, well, now what? And

21:55

you thought you were going to die at the time. I did. Yeah.

21:59

What were you trying to do?

21:59

trying to communicate with your partner who was there.

22:03

We didn't know what we were seeing until he flipped on

22:05

the headlights or what we were listening to. His

22:08

first thought was maybe a bunch of bikers

22:10

who'd come up there with a boombox.

22:14

And I said, it doesn't sound like that. And

22:17

then he said, well, I'm going to fire my gun and see if it

22:19

scares whatever it is away. And

22:21

that's at that point, I said, don't or we'll die. Don't

22:24

do that. After he saw them,

22:26

I don't think he's ever spoken to this

22:28

day about the sightings. Although

22:30

we did go down to the ranger station in

22:33

Pendleton

22:34

and walked in there because we had

22:36

footprints right where they were standing.

22:40

And we walked up to the ranger. He was sitting

22:42

at his desk and we just thought

22:45

we'd made the discovery of a lifetime. And

22:47

I said, do you have any plaster of Paris?

22:49

Because we can get footprints.

22:51

And he looks up from the desk like he's just irritated.

22:54

And he said, lady, I know they're up there. What

22:56

do you want me to do about that? And

22:59

we were like, what? He

23:02

knew it. He said, just ask a logger.

23:04

They won't tell you because that would be their

23:06

livelihood

23:06

going away. So

23:09

that was it for my Bigfoot experience.

23:12

Well, what was the conversation like in the car

23:14

once daylight broke and you had to break camp?

23:18

He was focused on getting to the

23:21

ranger station because

23:22

we could prove what we had seen.

23:25

And after that, I think it kind of deflated everything

23:28

for him. And

23:31

I don't know how he processed it because the rest

23:33

of the way home back to Portland, he

23:35

didn't speak about it.

23:37

He never said a word. I just tried to bring it

23:39

up. And I think it rattled him so

23:41

badly that he just couldn't process.

23:44

So his Indian tradition

23:47

grandmother was right. Yeah.

23:49

So now this is

23:51

just some man that you dated way back in the day. Did

23:54

you keep in how long did you did you keep in touch with

23:56

him at all or just kind of faded away as

23:58

people often do?

24:00

He just faded away. I see. So we dated

24:02

for maybe a year. A year or so.

24:04

And then, OK. And then didn't really

24:07

come up in conversation after that so much? He

24:09

said specifically he didn't want to talk about it.

24:11

Oh, OK. Whereas I wasn't

24:14

too keen on talking about it either at the time,

24:16

but it's

24:18

just one of those things you can never undo.

24:21

Once you've seen it, it's there permanently.

24:24

So I just delved heavily into Bigfoot

24:27

research and

24:28

reading and movies and videos

24:30

and anything I could get a hold of. They just joined

24:32

the subject in general. To try and understand

24:35

what it was we had seen and

24:37

what they were.

24:38

Well, there's been a few decades of processing

24:41

now, since the early 1980s. What

24:45

conclusions, if any, have you come to?

24:47

How does this sit with you nowadays?

24:49

A friend of mine saw Bigfoot last Saturday

24:52

up in the McMinnville area. You told me I'm going

24:54

to see if I can check that out maybe this weekend. Yeah. OK.

24:58

And she asked me if I wanted to go with

25:00

her.

25:01

And at this point in my life, I

25:04

told her no, because I have no desire.

25:06

I've seen it. I don't want

25:08

to put myself in jeopardy,

25:12

which I think she possibly was

25:14

doing because they discovered a Bigfoot

25:16

nest. And that's at the point where

25:18

the Bigfoot made themselves known.

25:20

They growled and they stomped. And

25:23

she actually saw one dart behind

25:25

a tree. That's something she'll

25:27

have to do on her own, which I will

25:29

not participate in. But

25:32

everybody else I know is curious. They want to

25:34

go up there.

25:35

And you're done with this. You have no reason

25:38

to try to see a Bigfoot again. I don't

25:40

need to prove that Bigfoot exists, because

25:42

like I said, I can't undo what I saw. I'm

25:46

curious as to what they are,

25:49

what their being is

25:52

about, why they're so elusive.

25:55

I have many, many questions about Bigfoot,

25:58

but as to their existence. that

26:00

question has been answered.

26:02

So you said the vocalization noise was higher

26:04

pitched than you could manage. And

26:06

was it repeatedly the same

26:09

sound over and over from when it woke you up until?

26:11

No. No? It changed

26:14

it. It went from highs to, not to lows,

26:16

but it was high pitched and

26:19

each one would

26:20

do their pitch and

26:23

then one would respond, whether it was one

26:25

beside them or one behind us. It

26:27

alternated because you could tell they were communicating.

26:30

Okay. But

26:33

each individual animal seemed

26:35

to be emitting the same noise when it went off

26:38

again? It wasn't the same.

26:40

It was like same high

26:42

pitch, but different. How

26:45

was it different? When I'm pushing you, but you know.

26:47

Just the intonation, the

26:50

sound wave, the, it's

26:53

so hard to describe. I can't

26:56

tell you. Right, okay. I get it, I get

26:58

it. And was it a single pitch

27:00

like, ah, or did it go, oh,

27:03

and drop off or? It didn't go low, but

27:05

it vibrated up and down. Oh, vibrated

27:07

up and down. Oh, okay. Interesting,

27:10

but always in the higher pitch. Always high. You

27:13

can tell it was very, very angry. And

27:16

that was the impression that we both got. They

27:19

were not happy with us. Interesting,

27:22

interesting. And even when they were walking

27:24

away and you couldn't see them anymore and their

27:26

sound disappeared into the night, it

27:28

was the same sort of warbly high

27:30

pitch thing? Yes. Okay. They

27:33

never stopped till they were well out of ear shot on

27:35

the other side. Stay

27:37

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27:39

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27:51

Beloved, we are gathered here today to, has

27:54

anyone seen the bride and groom? Sorry,

27:56

sorry, we're here. We were getting lucky

27:59

in the limo when we lost our I'm sure the experience was

28:01

probably very overwhelming in a lot of ways.

28:19

And

28:24

also the headlights weren't on the faces

28:27

of the animals in front of the cars, but maybe from

28:30

the chest or whatever down. What

28:33

details can you remember about the

28:35

body or the shape or the color, the hair,

28:38

or any of those things? Well,

28:40

they didn't have a neck. They had very

28:43

long arms that came below their knees

28:45

because they were just standing there with their

28:47

arms at their side. Very,

28:50

very broad chest. They

28:53

were huge. How wide

28:55

do you think they were? Like a three foot

28:57

thing or a four foot width?

29:02

Very similar to the Bigfoot

29:04

you have downstairs. Oh, Murphy, our

29:06

model. Yes. Okay, yeah. His

29:09

is about maybe almost four feet wide. It's

29:11

about

29:12

that, you know, along those parameters.

29:14

Okay. So was

29:17

anything else similar to Murphy

29:19

or different that you can think of?

29:21

No. You see any

29:23

muscle definition? No.

29:26

Just all covered in hair? Just bulk and hair, dark

29:28

hair. Dark hair. How long do you think

29:31

the hair was? Probably

29:35

three inches maybe.

29:36

Okay. And all

29:38

one color that weren't patches or like lighter

29:40

tips on the hair or anything? I didn't see anything like

29:42

that. Just dark brown, blackish sort of. Right.

29:46

Okay. The footprints that

29:48

you saw, how long were they? They were

29:50

big because Jack wore a size 14

29:52

shoe. And

29:55

he put his foot beside the print

29:57

and there were at least three to four inches.

30:00

longer because he had really large feet.

30:04

But we never got to cast them, so I wish we

30:06

had. Were

30:08

they disproportionately wide?

30:12

Much wider than his foot, yes. Were

30:15

there any marks inside them or whatever?

30:18

It was a beautiful, just clean stomp?

30:20

It was in dirt. There

30:23

was a gravel area, but

30:25

the print we found that was the best was

30:27

right in the dirt beside the gravel. It

30:30

was tilted slightly, headed

30:32

toward up the hill. Interesting.

30:38

When they walked, did they walk just

30:40

like a person or was it different

30:42

in some sort of way?

30:44

They moved with their head toward

30:47

us. Their head was turned

30:50

facing you. They were headed up the hill, but their head

30:52

was on us.

30:54

They walked quickly up

30:56

the hill. They took big steps.

30:59

A lot of people describe Sasquatches

31:01

as moving very fluidly,

31:04

almost like they're floating in a way because they're graceful

31:07

and it's a consequence of what

31:09

we call the compliant gate. Did

31:11

you see this or was

31:13

it just like a person bouncing its

31:15

head or do you even remember?

31:17

Because it was going uphill, I

31:19

would say it's more fluid, but great

31:22

big steps. They

31:25

didn't stomp or anything like that. In

31:28

fact, other than the screaming, you wouldn't

31:30

have known they were there.

31:31

Oh, you didn't hear them while they were moving? We couldn't

31:33

hear them crunch over the screaming. I guess not. You

31:36

couldn't hear yourself talk over the screaming. Of

31:39

course.

31:40

Anything

31:43

else that you can remember you think would be important to share?

31:47

Not really. I don't recommend spending the

31:49

night in the middle of the summertime

31:51

in that particular area. I

31:54

still want to. I have no idea how bad I want to know

31:56

where that spot is. I'm sure

31:58

you could look up, though.

31:59

warehouse or logging map.

32:03

Yeah.

32:04

From the probably 60s 70s

32:06

era. Mm hmm. And find out

32:08

that where that trail is because they

32:10

probably would mark that spring. Yeah,

32:12

certainly the spring would be on there. But right

32:14

how many springs are there in the Ochicos, you

32:16

know, I don't know, there must be quite a few. Yeah,

32:19

I don't know. I very

32:21

much would like to go there and spend a week or so. Okay,

32:25

well, I wish you

32:27

luck. I'm not as smart as I look. Don't

32:30

let these glasses fool you. Well,

32:33

maybe you could take my husband because he wants to

32:35

go up there too. I bet he does.

32:38

What do you think, Matt? That's amazing. I know

32:40

that had to be terrifying and harrowing. But

32:42

as someone who's been trying to see one for a very long

32:44

time, I'm very envious. So I'm

32:47

situations like yours, I think, you know, you're not just

32:50

a witness, you're kind of a survivor because

32:52

it had to be fairly traumatic to

32:54

some degree. So thank you for being willing to

32:56

share that.

32:57

Yeah, Matt, I think it's totally fine that we use your,

32:59

you know, you use your track for

33:02

this recording too, since Bobo's not here.

33:04

Do you want to do any follow up questions or whatever?

33:06

Well, we have her.

33:07

Yeah, I'm always interested, you know, after an

33:10

encounter like that, there must be so many

33:12

frustrations when you see representations

33:14

of Sasquatch in the media subsequently. So

33:17

I wonder how someone who's had

33:19

that direct experience and observation

33:21

perceives, let's say, Sasquatch as it's

33:23

treated by the popular media over the years,

33:26

you know, always being dismissive and dismissive

33:29

of witnesses and of the potential

33:31

reality of these things. And how has that shaped

33:33

the way that you've seen the subject represented

33:36

since then?

33:37

I've seen it represented in many, many different

33:39

ways. The one thing I

33:41

object to is when they

33:43

try to make it seem like a soft and fuzzy,

33:46

cuddly,

33:47

big teddy bear, which it certainly

33:49

is not. It's to be taken seriously.

33:51

I would agree with that. Again, those

33:54

experiences like yours are so rare,

33:56

like Cliff mentioned in the beginning, you know, most witnesses

33:58

have this sort of, you

33:59

know, sort of serendipitous, very

34:02

brief encounter, and they're usually fairly benign

34:04

because most of them are motorists or they're seeing

34:06

it at a distance, even if they're on foot. And

34:09

so

34:09

those sort of close encounters that have

34:12

real peril at hand like yours

34:14

are rare, but are so impactful.

34:16

So I don't wanna sound disrespectful when I say

34:19

I'm envious because I'm sure if it had

34:21

happened to me, I would

34:22

not have wished for it

34:24

in those early days. But

34:26

it is the willingness

34:28

of witnesses like yourself to come forward

34:30

and describe those experiences that I think helped shift

34:33

it out of that

34:34

goofy, campfire monster,

34:36

schlockumentary, comedic

34:39

character into like, no, these are real animals

34:41

and they are large and they pose physical

34:43

threats. Whether or not they

34:45

behave dangerously or not, they should be

34:47

taken seriously.

34:48

Well, I'm just in love with the fact that they decided

34:51

not to kill us. Amen.

34:55

Yeah, it makes you wonder like, what

34:57

would it take? I

34:59

think it's a reasonable

35:01

conclusion that you were camped at a place

35:04

they wanted water and they didn't like you there. They

35:06

probably could have snuck in and got water without you knowing,

35:09

I guess.

35:10

No, we were like a foot away from it. Oh,

35:12

really? You were kind of camped right on top of it

35:14

then. Pretty much. It was a very small plateau.

35:17

Oh, I see. It was a sheer cliff like

35:19

on

35:20

that diorama. So

35:22

it was very close. Yeah, she actually

35:24

made a diorama of

35:26

the scene, complete with the Sasquatches in

35:28

the brush and in front of the Jeep. It is absolutely

35:31

cool. It's adorable, frankly. But

35:34

it's really good actually. Maybe we can post

35:36

it for something.

35:37

You know, one of the other things that I always

35:39

find so interesting, having interviewed witnesses

35:42

for as long as I have and witnesses who've

35:44

had those sort of up close, frightening

35:46

encounters,

35:47

is that there's a few things that have made their

35:49

way into the mythos and especially within

35:52

the skeptical or cynical realm.

35:54

One being that, you know, the Sasquatch is like

35:56

a wish fulfillment. You know, it's this

35:58

sort of like delusion.

35:59

hallucination that comes

36:02

from humankind's desire

36:04

to be connected to the wild. In

36:07

stories like yours, it's like, well, first of all,

36:09

there was no desire to see such a thing. So

36:12

it's not like there was a prerequisite

36:13

that served as a trigger for this particular

36:16

event or experience.

36:18

And it certainly doesn't sound like it was

36:20

a wish fulfillment. I mean, I think most witnesses

36:22

in those cases wish that it hadn't happened

36:24

because of not only the intense

36:26

fear or terror at the moment, but the

36:29

anxiety that comes in the aftermath of

36:31

not wanting that to happen again, not being

36:34

able to share it with

36:35

peers or friends or loved ones because

36:37

of fear of ridicule or disbelief. And

36:40

I was curious about how if

36:42

you felt those things in your own life where it was really difficult

36:45

to talk about or if you ever desired to

36:47

talk about it with other people.

36:49

This happened shortly before I entered law

36:51

enforcement and having

36:53

that job was not conducive

36:56

to anything other than a psychiatric

36:58

review. If you mentioned seeing Bigfoot,

37:00

so it's not something I would talk about. My

37:03

own daughters, I have twin daughters that do

37:06

not believe that I saw Bigfoot

37:08

to this day. They're

37:12

slowly turning around because they've

37:16

heard Bigfoot and their encampment

37:18

over in New Matilla when they go deer hunting.

37:21

So they're kind of on the skeptical mode at this

37:23

stage of the game. But

37:28

yeah, I had no clue

37:30

Bigfoot really existed. I didn't believe

37:32

in it. And the only thing

37:35

we had guns out there for was in

37:37

case we ran across a cougar like a bear

37:40

and that was just for protection. So

37:43

I don't think it would

37:44

have been anything more than a bee sting had

37:46

he fired at them. And it would

37:48

probably just enrage them. And I think there

37:50

would have been severe consequences.

37:53

Yeah, it certainly could have escalated. And

37:55

that is, you know, the anxiety

37:58

in the aftermath of such an.

37:59

experience very often is tied to that

38:02

the inability to discuss

38:04

the event because of the repercussions and and

38:06

I always say to those skeptics too about the wish

38:09

fulfillment like you know, I would have seen

38:11

about a hundred of them by now because I don't think many

38:13

people want to see one as badly as I do

38:15

and yet I never have I think Cliff's probably in the

38:17

same boat there too. Yeah I would

38:19

have so I would love to find out where this is just

38:21

to see if they keep going back there and it sounds

38:24

like a place that if you actually could stay there

38:26

for a month or two. Are you they

38:28

probably come back more than

38:29

once I guess I'm guessing but I don't know I

38:32

don't know I'd love to know where that was if that had a name

38:34

or something. I know you and jack

38:37

didn't really want talk about it so much

38:40

but you certainly told some people after that

38:43

and was it a mixed reaction some believe you

38:45

some didn't or was it really just written off.

38:48

The only person I told were my twin

38:50

daughters good and when were they

38:52

born

38:53

nineteen seventy five nineteen seventy five

38:55

so they're very young at the time and be told many

38:57

way like it's six years older seven no years

38:59

later okay it's gonna say it's not that's good motherhood.

39:04

No it was just something I kept to myself because

39:07

first of all you don't believe what you saw

39:10

and you can't shut it down because your

39:13

brain won't allow you to do that once

39:15

you've seen something it's there even though I'd

39:17

love to

39:18

forget it but that's not going to happen.

39:20

Did it cause you any stress

39:23

or negative feelings

39:25

of the time like I can't believe this my crazy

39:27

or no one else believes this and

39:30

I don't want to share it with or.

39:32

I love camping and I'll never go again.

39:35

I did sad every time I go

39:37

near the woods I need to be out of there before

39:39

dark really it's just the way it is

39:42

so you don't even camp to this day because

39:44

of that experience. I'm we've

39:46

taken our travel

39:48

trailer down to esta queda where they're

39:50

supposed to be some sightings but

39:53

unless I'm in the trailer that's

39:55

my safety zone. I

39:58

have camp that way but never.

39:59

again in a pup tent out

40:02

in the open. Oh,

40:04

you poor thing. I feel bad for people whose

40:07

Sasquatches have changed their, the

40:10

way they interact with the woods.

40:12

You know, I know some hunters who have never hunted since

40:14

they saw

40:15

them. And this seems like something similar

40:17

to that. So it's

40:19

unfortunate in a way, because it took something

40:21

that you love. It did.

40:24

But again, it's an experience that not everybody

40:26

gets to have. I guess it's a fair trade.

40:29

I feel lucky in one way and cursed in

40:31

the other. So what are you going to do?

40:33

I don't know. This, I guess.

40:36

All right, Barbara. Well, thank you very much for coming back

40:39

and sharing your story with our listeners again

40:41

and taking time

40:43

out of your day. I apologize about the

40:45

late start, but Bobo is who he is. So

40:49

when this episode comes out, I'll send you a link

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to it so you can hear what Bobo has to say about himself

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and how he got into the house, because I'm sure that's going to be a

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heck of a story. Great. Thank you. Thank

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you so much for your time and your willingness to share.

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We really, really appreciate it. And hopefully

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more witnesses like you can step forward and we can

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push the ball a little bit

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further down the field and learn a little bit more about these

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things.

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Great. Thank you. All

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right, listeners, there you go. Another episode

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of Bigfoot and Beyond with our fabulous witness Barbara,

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who came face to face, I guess, with three

41:18

of these things, screaming at her and there's

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one behind in the dark. And in a way

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I'm envious and in a way I'm super glad it

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didn't happen to me. But I'll

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tell you, it's a little bit of both. It's mostly envy,

41:29

but there's a little bit of the other side too. If

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