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Bigfoot and Beyond with cliff and parentheses Bobo

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and Matt Pruitt. So yeah, Bobo is not

2:12

here this week. He is in the woods.

2:14

He is out doing some Bigfoot stuff. And

2:16

we look forward to hearing about

2:18

what he's been doing out in the woods. But

2:20

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our co-host, our guest co-host right now. Hi, Matt.

2:25

How you doing, man? I'm great. I just came

2:27

back from an awesome week in the Pacific Northwest.

2:29

I'll have to tell you all about it. That's

2:31

what we're doing today. Yeah. So Matt was out

2:34

here in the Pacific Northwest for the last X

2:36

number of days. And I thought that that would

2:38

probably be a good enough episode beyond

2:41

good enough. I mean, a really good episode

2:43

because amazing things happen. I mean, how fortuitous

2:46

that you came out and all these things went

2:48

down. Oh, it was really great. I

2:50

mean, first of all, it's just great to get back out

2:52

there because I think about it all the time having lived

2:54

in the Northwest and have so many

2:56

friends there and great memories. And obviously, if

2:59

you're into the Sasquatch subject, there's kind of

3:01

no better place to be just

3:03

in terms of the history and all that. So

3:05

I was really looking forward to that trip, especially

3:07

to see you and to see Melissa. So maybe

3:09

we can start at the beginning there before even

3:12

Squatch Fest. Yeah. So this past

3:14

weekend was Squatch Fest, but so much

3:16

more went down beside Squatch Fest. So

3:18

I guess probably the beginning of things

3:21

that we should talk about is,

3:24

I guess, you were just coming out a few days

3:26

early to hang out. And we've been looking forward to

3:28

that for a long time. I think you bought your

3:30

tickets back in October or November or something like that.

3:32

I had all these big plans. Oh, I'm going to

3:34

take you out to our Bigfoot spot where we've been

3:36

getting this stuff and that stuff. And

3:38

all of that was shot the hell basically

3:41

because of that crazy weather storm

3:43

that came through, man. It was just nuts. I

3:45

think I've ranted about that a little bit

3:48

on the podcast before. We had pretty high

3:50

level winds that were stained. All sorts of

3:52

things were frozen and trees were dropping. And

3:55

it was a big hubbub around here

3:57

in the Portland area. That Where I

3:59

was was really bad. it's all the trees were

4:01

down in Portland and Gresham and all these towns.

4:03

Here's a cold air sinks so out there is

4:05

where I surveyed everything and I thought oh god

4:07

what a terrible time for Madam Emily to come

4:09

and visit for a couple days but you gotta

4:11

cleared up by the time you guys were in

4:13

town. Oh. Dear but he was crazy

4:15

to see all that destruction. I mean it

4:18

looked like the aftermath of a tornado and

4:20

I know wasn't News is high winds but

4:22

there are massive trees down all over the

4:24

place and lots of destruction and look like

4:26

power lines down and was pretty wild. see

4:28

so you you definitely weren't exaggerating about any

4:31

that. Known. You saw the cleaned up version

4:33

on top of it. I mean that that's up from

4:35

like us for five days, a clean up and already

4:37

happened and I'm still pretty nutty. Yeah. Certainly

4:39

yeah, buddy way I meant Emily came into

4:41

town. I'm the the on Tuesdays a right

4:43

to say. That. Is correct. Yeah.

4:46

That enough so of the Tyler my when my employees

4:48

here he worked for me so I had all those

4:50

white I worked on to this but he worked for

4:52

me on Wednesday and Thursday was a really appreciate if

4:55

you listen entire thanks months really appreciate give me that

4:57

time off which is ironic that my employer the employee

4:59

gave the boss the time off but I do appreciate

5:01

it on the less so I'm We picked them up

5:03

and is kind of came back to the house and

5:05

hung out than I did my. Yeah. Cause

5:07

we landed after dark and so we didn't get a

5:09

chance to like see the property or see the the

5:12

surrounding areas that to combine but but wednesday we def

5:14

we did a lot of that. The. Arctic Ice

5:16

the first time you've been my house either,

5:18

because you hadn't been out here since two

5:20

thousand and nineteen? That is correct. Yeah, and

5:23

so that was a whirlwind visit to. I

5:25

think we just Popeye the museum. The drove

5:27

a bit around Mt. Hood back then and

5:29

twenty nineteen. So it I'd heard you described

5:31

the property and what made you decide to

5:33

move to that particular place and. If.

5:36

If you're a big foot are obviously the dream is always

5:38

to live in the sort of place where. If

5:40

you wanted to conduct field research you could just

5:42

walk out your backdoor and you definitely have this

5:44

sort of property and so is really cool to

5:47

hop on the side by side with you and

5:49

in cod area. Him when I are both is

5:51

blown away and it's beautiful. It's wild. You

5:54

posted on social media but there's these amazing

5:56

photos of. Giant. Black bears

5:58

and mountain lions. That's basically in

6:00

your backyard and so you really live

6:02

and in one of the squats your

6:04

places imaginable. Oh ya yeah the

6:06

course of the you at the windows not bad

6:09

imo suppose lot of pictures of that's fascism of

6:11

of the mountain and we i we have a

6:13

the mountain tip over there on the edge verbally

6:15

there's we could see it pretty well thumbed and

6:17

get all those game camera pictures they come from

6:19

my properties and slates a couple of them come

6:21

off the property in a we have cameras in

6:23

other locations that we have cameras out. Down

6:26

the Clackamas river little bit and so few other places

6:28

for big for reasons and for the sit on my

6:30

property at is gonna wanna know it's walking around in

6:32

the woods and nice them why would why need to

6:34

be afraid of if I walk up the hill you

6:36

know that comes here. For

6:39

yes we just gonna hung out in an hour winds

6:41

day. What we do wins and I remember where we

6:43

had all day ammo. I go with him. the museum

6:45

did we get? We came to the museum checksum stuff

6:47

out there and we drove on the property on the

6:50

side by side and then. I Wednesday night

6:52

we went out to the Willows all as

6:54

right and manage dumps. guess ah the video

6:56

by the way cause a out every know

6:58

that we have a membership for the museums

7:00

which is separate by the way for them

7:02

from the membership of the podcast. So all

7:04

you podcast of folks we really do appreciate

7:06

it's but lot of people keep them have

7:08

asked me even a squash festival coming up

7:10

and ask me says cause I'm a member

7:12

but I don't see these videos you're talking

7:14

about. oh that's because as a different membership

7:17

the mean I hate to get you from

7:19

both both sides like that but us in

7:21

a the podcast. Is one entity in and

7:23

of course the museum is another. So

7:25

there's two different memberships going on but

7:27

the museum members and North American Big

7:29

Foot Center members. I get videos every

7:31

month get to videos who make every

7:33

single month about field research and stuff

7:35

and at we made a video when

7:37

we went out to the Willows. And

7:39

the Willows is one of our local

7:41

bigfoot spots. is down pretty low elevation

7:43

which was born in the semi year

7:46

because of the weather and so I'm

7:48

even those the better swear the spots

7:50

that I would consider be better. I

7:52

guess our ups higher? they were

7:54

Totally inaccessible. Totally inaccessible. Totally snowed

7:57

in. At his

7:59

teeth and those. They tried to get to

8:01

one of the spots with you that but

8:03

it one direction was completely snowden as of

8:05

like a. Saturday.

8:07

Night and we're recording this on a Wednesday

8:09

by the way. So last Saturday night the

8:11

Spot was completely inaccessible from snow one direction

8:14

and then the only other way. And their

8:16

word is it was like a is a

8:18

Godzilla walk through and crushed everything and through

8:20

trees over the road. he said so you

8:22

couldn't get into the spot. Turns out although

8:24

on a side note of days they brian

8:27

for Clackamas ask watch, These were my boys.

8:29

He got into The Spot yesterday via the

8:31

snow play so I'd like you can get

8:33

in there now by the way, you dismiss

8:35

it but I'm. A we

8:37

were we. We brought a bit Emily and

8:39

Matt to the Willows which is a low

8:42

elevation bigfoot sparred with numbers. sightings at us

8:44

and I'm this private land is a big

8:46

chunk of private lands and that video just

8:48

drop today so I will. Nico has the

8:50

files while I applaud the file to our

8:53

or Google drive and send your links. He

8:55

can check out the video that you and

8:57

Emily are in. A very cool

8:59

nervous great to to see that spot of heard you

9:01

guys talk that's really great to meet Nico and person

9:04

to have been spells one the funny or things

9:06

about the trip I know get into it. In.

9:08

The squat fast recap at man.

9:11

There. Are so many people that I've talked to

9:13

for many years, some of whom like. Ten.

9:15

Or fifteen years but only met in person

9:18

for the first time. last with did and

9:20

he goes what I'm a me not have

9:22

been chatting with him for as long as

9:24

he's been employee of years so was great

9:26

to meet him person now but you before

9:28

we get to other the Willows events of

9:30

the evenings answer the museum you came the

9:32

museum and of course I know what the

9:34

highlights of you coming to the museum was

9:36

good. the reconnect with will again. Oh

9:38

man, that was so great. I

9:41

don't have. We talked about on the main

9:43

podcast the New we've talked about it and

9:45

members episodes before but know when I lived

9:47

in the northwest I was introduced to a

9:50

friend of Cliffs name Will Robinson and.he's he's

9:52

a very bobo asked character in this sort

9:54

of I in fact that he's had a

9:56

l a wild past and while background and

9:59

just unbelievable story. These was just happened to

10:01

be true and so not. always a great

10:03

in the field and super reliable. Great to

10:05

be around, but he's wildly entertaining and has

10:07

the the funniest stories and so. Really?

10:09

Hit it off with Will One lived out

10:11

their spin in our know maybe a year

10:13

and a half going out places in the feel

10:16

within the So. Hadn't seen him since two

10:18

thousand and Ten so was great to be

10:20

at the museum and then now Will came

10:22

over and hung out and gets me my wife

10:24

and so. That was so much fun beyond

10:26

just am finally getting to see the museum

10:28

in it's current form. Glad seen it since

10:30

it's formally opened. Our. When I was there

10:32

before only the gift shop was open. There was nothing in

10:34

the back to are new exhibits out so. You've

10:37

done such a great job at the place.

10:39

It's really amazing so called walk around there.

10:41

So. I'm gonna reconnected. Will again and

10:43

a you us to die with and

10:46

will kind of a lot like a

10:48

pretty frequently deal with. The. And

10:51

as at a will was selling some stories and

10:53

whatnot did will remind you of any stories that

10:55

you would actually experience that maybe you forgot about.

10:57

Oh. Yeah, he did because we did spend

10:59

a lot of time together and certain things

11:02

that happen in some those locations that were

11:04

really memorable and I wasn't as diligent about

11:06

keeping field notes all the time back then

11:08

as I am now and one of the

11:10

things I've forgotten about there was an area

11:12

on the southern side of the Olympic Peninsula

11:14

that we went to a few times and

11:17

the first time that I scouted there with

11:19

Tyler Bounce we have some amazing vocalizations and

11:21

then later had other experiences ever will remind

11:23

me his. I do remember that one night.

11:26

We. Went on this of his road. And.

11:29

He. Said you did a big huge how and

11:31

than a massive pre snap and and sell

11:33

as if it were pushed over in immediate

11:35

response. Scalia I do remember that forgot about

11:37

that particular incident because. The. Other things

11:39

were more like vocalization responses and things like that,

11:42

so that was a good memory like oh yeah,

11:44

do And then I went back in my email

11:46

and I could season discussions about it from back

11:48

then. That was back in two thousand and ten.

11:51

But I just hadn't thought about that particular

11:53

incident. Among them the many others in

11:55

a long time. so that was a nice reminder.

11:58

That. as close in italy Will must like

12:00

you a lot because it takes a lot to get him

12:02

out of the house. So it was neat to see. It

12:05

was good to see Will for me. You know, I

12:07

mean, I haven't seen Will in probably a year and

12:09

he lives like four miles from me or something. So

12:12

it was great to catch up with him and have him come in and hang

12:14

out. And he hadn't seen the museum for quite a while either. But

12:17

it was just good to see old friends again like

12:19

Will and have you guys connecting. And it was cool.

12:21

It was really cool. You know, what's funny

12:23

is I'll try to truncate the story because

12:25

I tend to get long winded and funny

12:27

stories. But there was one particular time that

12:29

Will and I and Tyler Bounds had gone

12:32

out in an area kind of outside of

12:34

Seattle, somewhat near like Snoqualmie Pass. And

12:37

we had this thermal imager, which back in

12:39

the day, it was the I think the

12:41

precursor to the FLIR H 324, something in

12:43

that FLIR H series. But to record, you

12:45

had to actually hold down the record button.

12:48

You couldn't just click it once. It

12:50

would only record as long as you were holding it down. And

12:52

so we were looking around, scouting, making

12:54

some sounds. We had established this sort of

12:57

small camp, primitive camp. And

12:59

this big, heavy animal came through. He was

13:01

breaking a lot of stuff. You could hear his very

13:03

big and heavy and sort of scanning with this thermal. And

13:06

then we see this big heat signature. Long

13:08

story short, we recorded this for like an

13:10

hour and a half almost, having to take

13:12

turns passing this thing back and forth while

13:14

our hands were cramping from holding this button

13:16

down. And towards the very end,

13:18

like we got a little bit better view of it.

13:21

But Will was looking at it at the last portion.

13:23

And he thought he saw arms reach out and extend.

13:25

So we got pretty excited. You know, oh, we might have

13:27

gotten footage. We were so excited.

13:30

Like we were literally howling at the moon,

13:32

like screaming at the sky, like Arnold Schwarzenegger

13:34

and Predator, like, ah,

13:36

you know. So we went to look

13:38

at the footage on my computer and I didn't have

13:40

the right drivers for this FLIR unit. I'm

13:42

so riled up about this. I drove all the

13:45

way into town and kept like parking in the

13:47

parking lots of hotels and motels until I found

13:49

one that had a free Wi-Fi. So

13:52

I could connect to it with my laptop from

13:54

the parking lot, download these drivers, flew

13:56

back to camp, look at these videos and it turned

13:58

out to be an elf. We could see it clearly

14:01

once we blew it up on the thing So

14:03

we drove up to Snoqualmie Pass to the

14:05

top there and went into some gift shop

14:07

and they had these little quartz rocks like

14:10

polished quartz with elk emblazoned on

14:12

them, so each bought one and Determined

14:15

that these would be our like elk brotherhood tokens

14:17

for the night We got fooled by an elk

14:19

and so he told me I said dude. I

14:21

still have mine. It's on my desk I look

14:23

at it every day we record and

14:25

he was like dude. I put mine out at cliffs favorite

14:27

squash spot I found an elk wallow, and I buried it

14:30

under the alcohol. That's why cliff has so much activity

14:32

there What

14:36

year was that by the way that that happened you

14:38

remember that was 2010 Cuz

14:42

I remember you guys called me or texted me during

14:44

all that or so one of you guys it probably

14:46

will I'm guessing I Think I called

14:48

Bart because Bart had the same unit and so

14:50

I had to be like hey man where do

14:52

I find these drivers that will convert these video

14:54

files where I can view them and And

14:57

of course I think we got one man. I

15:00

think we got one so it was a I

15:02

had to do the call of shame afterwards you know Right

15:09

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Well yeah, so catching up with Will is pretty

16:38

awesome. And of course it's a pleasure to

16:40

see Will whenever I can. Love that guy.

16:43

But the museum. So let's talk about the

16:45

museum just for a few moments. Since you

16:48

had never really seen the exhibit hall before,

16:50

beyond photographs or something that you might have

16:52

caught in a presentation or something like that.

16:55

And we had just put up, just put

16:57

up the new Ape Canyon stuff. And

17:00

we're not even done with the Ape Canyon stuff,

17:02

but like a lot of it is up at

17:04

this moment. Did anything strike you and leave

17:07

a lasting impression on you? Oh, I

17:09

would say just all of it, especially

17:11

cumulatively. I mean, having pursued this

17:13

for so long, you know, things are so much different now

17:16

with the internet. And so I don't want to be like

17:18

the guy that's like, back in

17:20

my day. But I think people should understand,

17:22

especially younger people, because a lot of people

17:24

our age or older, they will understand. But

17:26

for young enthusiasts or researchers,

17:28

proponents, et cetera, it was so hard to

17:31

track down even books back in the day,

17:33

because a lot of them were out of

17:35

print and they certainly weren't all distributed in

17:37

places like libraries or bookstores. And so you

17:39

had to spend a lot of time on

17:42

eBay and find used copies. And if

17:44

you wanted to see a lot of the best

17:46

evidence, you had to accumulate

17:48

like five or six books to get

17:50

pictures of this track or that

17:53

track or this bit

17:55

of trace evidence, like this handprint, that

17:57

handprint, on and on and on. And it

17:59

was a process. And even back

18:01

in the day of early websites, it wasn't

18:03

like all that stuff was cataloged on websites

18:06

And so to build a familiarity with

18:08

a lot of this evidence took a lot

18:10

of years and a lot of searching Let's

18:12

say like information foraging and then

18:14

having to purchase all this stuff and review physical copies

18:17

and so it would have been unfathomable to

18:19

me in my 20s to think that like

18:22

I could walk into a place and See

18:24

all of this stuff in

18:26

three dimensions in person Because

18:29

you know you have the originals of so many

18:31

of these pieces of evidence now Some

18:33

of those originals are on display and

18:36

if it's not the original it's a first-generation

18:38

copy So it's as detailed a copy of

18:40

a handprint or a footprint as you can

18:42

imagine or these other partial body impressions all

18:45

in one place and Maybe

18:47

people take that for granted because they can

18:49

just walk in and that's just their world

18:52

because they're younger or newer But man, it's

18:54

really a remarkable thing To

18:56

be able to see all of that

18:58

in person and have that 3d almost

19:01

tactile experience where you could reach out

19:03

and you know Nearly touch all of

19:05

these things let alone all of the

19:07

multimedia displays so various pieces of video

19:09

thermal imaging vocalization recordings

19:13

Etc etc. And then there's all the the

19:15

sort of the cultural iconography, you

19:17

know, you've got a lot of great representations of You

19:20

know artistic depictions and then the way that

19:22

the Sasquatch has been portrayed over the decades

19:24

and in other elements of pop culture But

19:27

to see all that in one place is like that's the

19:29

kind of thing I dreamt of you know But I

19:32

I wished would have existed a long time ago.

19:34

So it's pretty remarkable that you've done that you've

19:36

pulled it off Well, you know, I get a

19:38

lot of comments from people Bigfootters in particular, right?

19:41

Like, you know Civilians not

19:43

so much civilians. They go what

19:46

handprints I've never even heard they had handprints You

19:48

know, but like the Bigfootters, of course that know

19:50

that there are handprints and various other body parts

19:52

out there and they come in They say, you

19:54

know, I've only seen pictures of this in books

19:56

But to see this thing in real life

19:58

right there in front of me It

20:00

really gives a whole different perspective on this thing

20:02

and I remember back in the nineties when I

20:05

when I saw my first footprint casts, you

20:07

know the first footprint cast I ever

20:09

purchased was the Freeman knuckle

20:11

print I got that from crayons because for

20:13

a very brief period of time in the

20:15

early days of the internet crayons was selling

20:17

cast replicas I sure wish I would

20:20

have got more from him at the time, but I just

20:22

could afford it You know, the only one I could really

20:24

afford at that time was like twenty dollars for the knuckle

20:26

prints, you know So that's what I got first and then

20:28

I saved some money and I got the Patterson gimlin

20:30

right foot cast He sold

20:32

that on his website as well through somebody you

20:34

said there's another Grad student

20:36

helping him with that but I guess it doesn't

20:39

matter the point But anyway, when I first got

20:41

the cast it kind of blew my mind. It's

20:43

like wow, I was in the book It's one

20:45

thing but in person it's an entirely different thing

20:47

And I think that's one of the neat things

20:49

about the museum here is that I can put

20:51

it out in front of everybody And there's no

20:53

glass between you and the artifact. It's just right

20:55

there Which is why I use

20:57

first-generation copies because I don't want you know, the public to

20:59

get their grubby hands on the originals But

21:02

you know that's right there in front of

21:04

you We do have some originals of course

21:06

in the museum, but it's under glass, you

21:08

know as they should be protected But

21:11

it's a different story to see these things and

21:13

really get in there close and personal Which is

21:15

what I want people to do I

21:17

want people to get as close as they can to these

21:19

things to really look at it to see if they can

21:21

pick out The fine details

21:23

of the anatomy maybe some skin skin texture

21:25

or something like that in there And

21:28

it's something I'm kind of pleased with you know

21:30

The artistic stuff and you know the Chachki's

21:32

and the you know, the Bigfoot, you know

21:34

beers and whatever else That's all cool because

21:36

that anchors it for the civilians the people

21:38

who are not big-footers. It's like oh, I've

21:40

seen that Beer, you know,

21:42

I've seen the Sierra Nevada Bigfoot brew or something

21:45

like that That connects them to

21:47

the subject in some sort of way the iconography

21:49

as you said But this the evidence that I

21:51

think is most important So if you're a big-footer

21:53

at all, I think that you'll get more out

21:55

of the museum than just you know The layperson

21:57

I think but oh, yeah Again,

22:00

just seeing images, it's hard enough

22:02

to even collect all the images of everything that's in

22:04

that museum. Like I said, you'd have to have multiple

22:06

books. Some of which are rare, some of which are

22:09

out of print. But then even if

22:11

you buy the books, it's like, okay, well the picture

22:13

in the book is a black and white picture that's

22:15

like, two by three inches

22:17

or whatever. So you really, like you said,

22:19

you get a much stronger sense of the

22:21

scale and the scope when you're right there

22:23

in person with it and you go, oh

22:25

wow. Even something, like the

22:28

larger track examples like Laird Meadow, for example.

22:30

Like you can see that picture a lot

22:32

of times, but when you actually are confronted

22:34

with that big footprint, you know, that track,

22:36

it's quite different to go, oh man, that's

22:39

a pretty big piece of evidence, literally. So

22:43

it's great to be in there and see

22:45

all that stuff. And you hosted an

22:47

excellent event on Thursday at the museum for

22:50

museum members. And so

22:52

that was really cool because it was evident

22:54

that all of the people who are supporters

22:56

and members of the museum have that sort

22:58

of like reverence for it, for

23:00

not just the institution, let's say, but for the

23:03

evidence. And so it was really cool to be

23:05

surrounded by so many people to whom it meant

23:08

equally as much. You know, that was very important

23:10

to them too. So that's always a great thing

23:12

to be a part of, those sorts of discussions.

23:14

Like, because I love that stuff so

23:16

much, you know, if I

23:18

lived around there, I could probably see myself just

23:20

hanging out in there and being

23:22

a fly on the wall, listening to people's conversations,

23:24

because it's just cool to be around people who

23:26

also value it to that same degree. Well,

23:30

if you lived here, I'd employ you. Well, as far,

23:32

and one last thing before we jump off the museum

23:34

and talk about some other things. Well, actually two last

23:36

things. Number one, the eight Canyon stuff, that was brand

23:39

new. We put that up literally the day before you

23:41

arrived, I think, or actually we were putting up while

23:43

you were here at

23:45

the same time. We have

23:47

that huge panoramic shot of eight Canyon,

23:49

like an eight foot mural of

23:52

the eight Canyon stuff. And then the

23:54

two new displays, one about the history

23:57

of eight Canyon and one about the

23:59

rediscovery. of a canyon or

24:01

the cabins in the mine site at least and

24:03

then of course never before

24:05

seen anywhere in the world mind

24:07

you those historic photographs

24:09

that are now on the wall

24:12

of the nbc what

24:14

about those things i mean that that when i

24:16

saw that i almost wet i mean it was

24:18

mind blowing for me and i'm in the midst

24:20

of all this stuff what

24:22

did you think of that stuff i was

24:24

amazing you know i didn't know those images

24:27

existed i thought that i had seen that

24:29

some really poor scans of some of those

24:31

early articles from twenty four end

24:33

even the scanned images i have really low

24:36

resolution and now there are no good ones

24:38

that's why even the originals are just terrible

24:41

yet that there are no good ones. Yeah

24:43

it was it was just crazy to see what

24:45

you got your hands on there because they

24:47

are high resolution they are really cool pictures and.

24:50

I don't know if i guess we talked about

24:52

it but like there's one for example of fred beck

24:55

recreating the shot that he took. Add

24:58

the thing that i never knew that

25:00

picture existed so to see it in that context

25:02

and really cool pictures of the cabin with

25:04

it being in the state that they claimed it was

25:06

in terms of. You know pieces

25:09

missing where the the changing had been knocked

25:11

out and arm and supposedly reach through and

25:13

holding the rocks that struck the cabin or

25:15

that were on the roof like. That was

25:17

unbelievable and then to your point about you

25:19

know you guys were hanging them up and

25:22

so while we're on that i do

25:24

have to say like meeting your employees. Nico

25:26

Dave Tyler Keith like everyone was super nice

25:28

and kinda all all hands on deck as

25:30

they were getting the museum ready for an

25:32

event and they're all super cool

25:35

really enjoy twenty. Yeah

25:37

i cannot do without anywhere a team here at the

25:39

end of the sea i may be the smiling face

25:41

on the in the figurehead or something like that but

25:44

i cannot be doing it without all of the

25:46

employees here and they are there really the backbone

25:48

of this place. You know and

25:50

i just cannot express my gratitude for everything they

25:52

do for us you know i really do deeply

25:55

appreciate them and now they're all just friends to not

25:57

only do we work together and you know share a

25:59

little bit. love for the subject, but they're all just

26:01

good friends. Yeah,

26:03

but those photographs are from a woman

26:05

named Sandy Moyer, and those only surfaced,

26:08

like, I don't know, maybe October or

26:10

November or something. Mark

26:12

Mercel, of course, is the guy who uncovered

26:14

them or was in contact with Sandy. And

26:16

if I have this right, and maybe I

26:19

don't, I don't know, if I have this

26:21

right, Wilma Welch, Sandy

26:24

Moyer, the woman who has these

26:27

photographs in her family's collection is

26:29

the great granddaughter, I believe,

26:31

of Wilma Welch, or no, the Wilma

26:33

Welch's sister. Now, most people out there

26:35

are saying, well, who the heck's Wilma

26:37

Welch? Wilma Welch

26:39

was the first person

26:41

that the miners spoke to

26:44

after the event. The cabin

26:47

was attacked, they got their stuff, they went for

26:50

the longest seven-mile hike they ever went on in

26:52

their entire life to get out of there, because

26:54

they were scared. They piled in their car, went

26:56

to the Spirit Lake Ranger Station in

26:58

hopes of finding Bill Welch, the Spirit

27:00

Lake Ranger. He was stationed

27:02

there at Spirit Lake. And Wilma was

27:05

Bill's wife, basically. And so they

27:07

went up to Wilma and said, hey, where's Bill?

27:09

And it's always out in the barn

27:11

or something, and Will came and saw them. And

27:13

his comment to the newspaper was, I've never seen

27:15

a group of grown men so scared of my

27:17

life. So there's that. Of course,

27:19

Bill was very skeptical. He didn't think the

27:22

whole thing happened. He didn't believe in the

27:24

mountain devils, as they were called back then

27:26

and such. But these photographs were in the

27:28

Welch family collection. And they were taken by

27:31

one of the reporters,

27:33

I believe, the reporters

27:35

from the Seattle Post Intelligencer,

27:37

probably Slim Lynch, I

27:39

believe his name was. He

27:42

may have had a camera

27:44

guy with him, like a photographer with him

27:46

at the time. And again, all of my

27:49

facts should always be checked, because I'm kind

27:51

of going by memory, and that sort

27:53

of stuff. And my memory's not the best. But

27:56

of course, Mark is sitting on top

27:58

of these. There are many more photographs, too. the way,

28:00

we just kind of put the most important ones I thought out

28:02

there. There's four out there. One

28:05

shows Wilma on the

28:07

porch of the ranger station at Spirit

28:09

Lake. And I think that's

28:11

important because she's specifically mentioned in one

28:13

of our displays. And of course, these

28:16

photographs came from her family and her

28:18

family was so gracious as to allow

28:20

the NABC to post them

28:22

and publish them, you know, at

28:25

our inner museum and we are very grateful, the

28:28

other photographs, of course, as you mentioned, one was

28:30

Fred Beck recreating the shots that he

28:33

took at a Sasquatch standing

28:35

nearby when he was getting water out of

28:37

the nearby spring. Of

28:39

course, that spring, there's great photographs of that from

28:41

September that I'll get to in just a moment.

28:45

And then there's another picture of

28:47

two gentlemen on the roof of

28:50

the cabin next

28:52

to the ventilator cap. And those two

28:54

men, the ventilator

28:56

cap was damaged during the attack and then

28:58

rocks started coming in from the top because,

29:01

you know, there's a fire inside the cabin,

29:03

you need a ventilation cap. So that was

29:05

Rangers Jim Huffman and Bill Welch on top

29:07

next to the damaged ventilator cap. And

29:10

then there's another picture of

29:12

Leroy Perry Smith and Fred Beck

29:14

at the cabin. And

29:16

of course, you can see the chinking between the

29:19

logs of the cabin that was knocked out upon

29:22

the initial hit on the side of the

29:24

cabin. Maybe through a rock, maybe the

29:26

Sasquatch hit the outside of the house, you know,

29:28

because that's what they still do that behavior nowadays.

29:30

So it makes sense. Yeah,

29:32

so those are the four historic photographs that we

29:35

have on display right now. And there are several

29:37

more, but those are the most pertinent to the

29:39

story. And those are the ones I wanted to

29:41

post more than anything. So we're

29:43

very, very lucky that Sandy Moyer and

29:46

her family have given us permission to

29:48

display those. So there's new stuff up

29:50

at the NABC directly related to Ape

29:52

Canyon. And we couldn't be happier. And of

29:54

course, later this year, we're going to have

29:57

an event with Mark Morsell talking about the

29:59

Ape Canyon. stuff and all the

30:01

new developments in this past six months. Because

30:04

also on display, we have an entire display

30:06

not only devoted to the story of the

30:08

canyon, but the other display that I put

30:10

right next to it was the story of

30:13

the rediscovery. Because I think that the rediscovery

30:15

and the sleuthing of all these things is

30:17

just as interesting as the actual events. And

30:20

the final chapter has not been written,

30:22

but the final chapter on the exhibit

30:25

board was from, well, it's

30:28

probably these photographs, honestly, because they came out in October

30:30

or November. But in

30:32

September, the group of young men

30:35

who were direct relatives of the miners,

30:37

are one of the miners rediscovering the

30:39

mine site. Now that was

30:41

that on Facebook, most people know about that. But

30:43

those guys, the gentleman there, I

30:45

met Jacob this past weekend, we'll get to that,

30:48

but also Braden, who I have not yet met.

30:50

And his brother, I believe, his name escapes me

30:52

right now. I'm so sorry, forgive me. They

30:55

gave me permission to post photographs that

30:57

they took of the actual

30:59

mine itself. So a lot of cool new stuff.

31:01

And I'm so glad that you and Emily had

31:03

a chance to see it. Like you're amongst the

31:05

first eyes to see these things. And

31:08

I'm really, really proud of what we've been doing

31:10

at the NABC with the Ape Canyon stuff, because

31:12

this is the 100th anniversary. 100 years

31:15

ago, this happened. I think that's

31:17

so cool. Oh, it's very cool.

31:19

And like I said, I think for younger

31:21

people or newer people, I

31:23

hope they appreciate it because it's hard

31:25

to explain or articulate to people like

31:27

how unbelievably rare it is to have

31:30

all that in one place. And especially

31:32

for Sasquatch nerds or

31:34

students or aficionados, whatever word you want

31:36

to use like myself to be confronted

31:38

with things that like, Oh, I didn't

31:40

even know that existed. These images

31:42

or this part of the history like

31:44

that's really cool. So it's all sort

31:46

of Sasquatch 101

31:48

to some degree for someone who's new to

31:50

walk in and say all that, but even

31:52

for a long time sort of hardcore Squatch

31:55

nerds, which I can say that because

31:57

you know, Bola is not here because there's nothing he

31:59

takes exception to. more than being called a nerd. I'm

32:01

not a nerd. Exactly. He

32:04

gets more mad about that word than anything else

32:07

I've heard. But even for us nerds, it's like

32:09

you walk in the NABC and you're gonna see

32:11

things that you've never seen, that you didn't

32:13

know existed, that you didn't realize that had

32:16

been documented to that degree, so it's all super

32:18

cool. Stay tuned

32:20

for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

32:22

and Bobo. We'll be right back after

32:24

these messages. God,

32:31

we're only on Wednesday, man. We better hurry it up. We're

32:33

halfway through the podcast. So

32:36

that night, I really wanted to take you out to

32:38

one of our spots. We've been pulling prints all this

32:40

time, man, but it was just snowed in. We could

32:42

not do it, but we do have access to

32:44

the willows. There's been a

32:46

handful of reports out of the willows,

32:48

like actual observations. I mean, Nico was

32:50

talking to a guy when the guy

32:52

saw a Sasquatch behind Nico, and by

32:54

the time Nico turned around, it was

32:56

gone. So I mean, there's

32:59

activity on this property, and of course, knowing

33:01

the location, well, duh, of course

33:04

there's activity on this property. So we thought,

33:06

okay, well, that's a good spot to go.

33:08

So it's a big chunk of private land.

33:10

Our museum members know it as

33:12

the willows, so we had a chance to

33:14

take you out there. And what'd you think about all that? Oh,

33:17

it was rad. It was nice, too. It

33:19

was pretty clear for the most part

33:21

when we first got there, because the moon was

33:23

sufficient enough. We almost didn't have to use any

33:25

lights to walk around, even in some of the

33:27

areas that retained some of the rain, somewhat

33:30

flooded, because like you said, it's a low-lying

33:32

bottoms area, for the most part. We didn't

33:34

even have to use any headlamps or anything

33:36

like that because it was mood

33:38

lit. And so it was that perfect Pacific

33:40

Northwest, big creepy trees with

33:43

moonlight cascading through. Looked

33:46

almost like the nighttime scene of a horror movie,

33:48

to some degree, and so it was like the

33:50

perfect setting. But then the rain slowly crept in,

33:52

and it got a little bit colder. But man,

33:55

what a spot. I would have loved to see

33:57

it during the daytime, too, but

33:59

it was... was aesthetically perfect at night. It

34:01

was everything you could want from a

34:03

Squatch hotspot, so to speak. Except

34:06

for too much rain, man. The rain drove us

34:08

out of there, unfortunately. Yeah, once the rain picked

34:10

up and started, it just didn't relent. We got

34:12

out of there in time. I

34:15

think you or Nico had pulled up

34:17

the radar on your phone, and so there was a

34:19

huge wave of heavy rain coming. So we got out

34:21

there before that hit, but it was cool.

34:24

It was nice to be out there in those conditions. Too

34:26

bad we didn't hear anything, but at

34:29

least we got a night out in the field. That's always

34:31

super cool. Yeah, and that was Wednesday

34:33

night at this point, and I needed to get

34:35

back because I think we're out there, only it's

34:37

like 10 or 11 or something like that. It

34:39

wasn't very late, but I had to get back

34:42

because the next day I had to go pick

34:44

up Ken Gerhard from the airport. Ken,

34:46

of course, has been a guest on the podcast

34:48

before, and I think anybody listening to this podcast

34:51

probably knows who Ken is, but just in case

34:53

you don't, he's kind of a cryptozoology author and

34:55

researcher. I'm

34:57

a Bigfooter. I think Matt, I think it's fair to

34:59

describe you as a Bigfooter, but Ken's kind of a

35:01

generalist. He's into all sorts of stuff. He

35:04

sure likes the Bigfoot subject, but he's really into

35:06

lake monsters and that sort of thing. He's even

35:08

written a book on flying humanoids of all things,

35:10

which I don't even know what those things are.

35:14

Probably a handful of other books do that. This is

35:16

not coming to me right now. Ken's a good friend

35:18

and a good researcher, and he was

35:20

coming into town, of course, and he needed a place to

35:22

stay, so he gave me

35:25

a call. He was speaking at Squatch Fest on

35:27

Friday and Saturday, so he needed a place

35:29

to stay, so he flew in early on.

35:33

Wait, is that Thursday? No, he was there Thursday,

35:35

right? No, everyone came in on Thursday. That's right,

35:37

yeah. I had to drive to the airport on

35:40

Thursday morning to pick up Ken, which is always a pleasure,

35:42

of course, to hang out with Ken. We brought him back

35:44

to the house. We got back to

35:46

the house around 11 or something like that, probably,

35:49

and at one o'clock, Michael Freeman shows up to

35:51

the house, because he's also spending the night there.

35:54

I guess I had kind of a flophouse for the

35:56

weekend. And then, so we hung out there for a

35:58

bit, went to the museum, Then three o'clock,

36:01

Dr. Meldrum shows up with Brandon and

36:03

Cynthia Tenet, who are the right. Brandon,

36:05

of course, makes t-shirts.

36:08

He has sasquatchprints.com.

36:11

He makes our Big Foot and Beyond t-shirts. By the

36:13

way, if you like the Big Foot and Beyond t-shirt

36:15

that are for sale at sasquatchprints.com. Quick

36:18

to link in the show notes. Yeah, there you go. Put the link

36:20

in the show notes. Then he

36:22

also makes all the NABC shirts. He's

36:24

just a good friend, great artist, a

36:26

lot of fun. I love that guy.

36:28

So yeah, I mean talk about Big

36:31

Foot Royalty, man. Meldrum and Freeman and

36:33

Gerhart and Prewitt and all

36:35

sorts. It was like

36:38

a gravitational center of nerds, man. It was

36:40

awesome. Once we got to the museum

36:42

and started hanging out, then my very

36:44

good friend and constant field partner from back

36:46

in the day, Tyler Vowen, showed up who

36:49

also worked on Finding Big Foot, previous guest

36:51

on the podcast. So it was amazing to

36:53

see him. I've spent so much time with

36:55

him. Feels like yesterday. And then

36:57

we did the math and realized we hadn't seen each

37:00

other in person in 11 years, which is pretty crazy.

37:03

So that was nice. Tim and Dana

37:05

Halloran from the Big Foot Influencers, the

37:08

book project and their podcast. They were there.

37:11

There's quite a few people converged in that

37:13

place. It was cool to be surrounded by

37:15

so many friends, let alone the Big

37:17

Foot Royalty, like you mentioned. Yeah,

37:20

yeah. I do really enjoy

37:22

these events. They're pretty stressful. And a normal event, so

37:25

yeah, it flows pretty

37:27

smoothly. But this one was nuts, man, with

37:29

so many people. And of course, with so

37:31

many dignitaries in town, people were

37:33

going, oh, there's an event. Cool. I'll be there. It's like,

37:36

well, shoot, man. I mean, I got to make sure I

37:38

have enough seats for the ticket holders. Like

37:40

all these deadheading people are coming

37:42

out. It's like, I'll be there. And it's like,

37:45

oh, shoot. So I actually had to have uncomfortable

37:47

conversations a few times. Like, hey, I'm

37:49

glad you're here and you're more than welcome to be here.

37:51

But when we start the event, you got to make sure

37:53

that everybody is seated before you

37:56

have a seat. And then everybody

37:58

was super cool. They totally understood. now because

38:01

we sold tickets to this event. It's

38:04

only to members, by the way. I

38:06

put them out to the museum members first,

38:08

as always, at a discount because that's what

38:10

part of membership is. When you get cool

38:13

stuff, they always get discounts on it. Then

38:15

when the sales slowed

38:17

down sufficiently, then we

38:19

put them out to the podcast

38:21

members. Some of you listeners out

38:23

there actually were fortunate enough to score tickets for this

38:25

event. We

38:28

did this last year when Meldrum was in town. We tried it

38:30

again, and I think it went better this

38:32

time. We also sold virtual tickets for $5.

38:35

It was a $5 ticket to

38:38

watch a one-plus-hour Meldrum

38:41

presentation with a Q&A at the end. It

38:44

seemed to go off without a hitch. We

38:46

didn't get any complaints. Last

38:49

time, you know what it was last time, is

38:51

we sent out emails to everybody who bought

38:53

a ticket for the virtual event last time.

38:56

Then we asked for their feedback. Then Nika

38:58

went back through all those emails and then

39:00

listened to everybody's suggestions and made sure that we

39:02

did them to make this a better event. I

39:04

think we got it. I think we got it

39:06

this time. Everybody seemed really happy. For a $5

39:08

ticket, what are you going to complain about, really?

39:12

I think we got it this time. We

39:14

had the 45 people in the room.

39:19

I think we sold, I mean, not a

39:22

ton of tickets. Probably about 40 tickets. We

39:25

had people listening from all over the world,

39:27

let alone the country. All over the world,

39:29

we had people in Europe and in Australia

39:31

who bought tickets for the Zoom event. It

39:34

was really neat. It was kind of a fun thing

39:36

to do. We were only going to sell probably not

39:38

much more than 40 or 50 tickets anyway for

39:41

those Zoom events just because we don't want to clog

39:43

up the internet tubes. I don't know how

39:45

that works, but just in case. That's the

39:47

problem when we start naming names. We'll

39:49

leave someone out, but lest we forget.

39:51

We also had researcher author Tom Powell.

39:54

Of course. Of course. Yeah, yeah,

39:56

I forgot. Yeah, Tom

39:58

dropped by. He stayed for a

40:01

little bit of the presentation, but

40:03

his wife's a doctor and he always likes

40:05

to meet her when she comes home and

40:07

that sort of thing. So he had to

40:10

split early, I guess. But yeah, what a

40:12

great event, man. What a great event. I

40:14

really enjoy doing these things, although it is

40:16

hectic as all get out for me, especially

40:19

when so much royalty is in town. Oh

40:21

yeah, so much fun though. So great to see

40:24

so many people. And again, your patrons are so

40:26

awesome. I feel like I made a lot of new

40:28

friends there. Just some people I've communicated

40:30

with, like Mitch at Bigfoot treasure, I got

40:32

to meet him in person. This

40:34

one of your patrons, a guy named Rook, who's

40:36

super cool, shout out to Rook. We

40:38

hit it off, very smart, very funny guy. Just

40:42

a lot of great people there. It was awesome. Yeah,

40:44

yeah, absolutely. And it's just part of the

40:46

benefit of being a member to Bigfoot and

40:48

Beyond or the museum is

40:51

that you get access to events like this because

40:53

these special events at the museum, I can only

40:55

sell like 30 or 35 tickets. So

40:59

it's really a private intimate event in a

41:01

lot of ways. And did you catch Meldrum's

41:03

presentation at Squash Fest by the way? No,

41:06

I was at my booth for

41:08

the entire, I didn't get to see anyone's presentations

41:10

unfortunately. Well, from what I heard about that one,

41:13

he did a different one at Squash Fest, which

41:15

is good because the one that

41:17

he did at Squash Fest, I believe I've seen

41:19

before because he put that Paranthropus skull up against

41:21

Patty's head, which I think is a really, really

41:25

important slide to see, I think in a

41:27

lot of ways. But so he did a

41:29

presentation at the museum where he kind of

41:31

just touched on various topics. Like he has

41:34

thoughts about this, thoughts about that and

41:36

some slides and a lot of interesting things to

41:38

say. And I really liked that kind of presentation.

41:40

It was kind of a reading the book where

41:43

every chapter is about a completely new thing. I

41:45

really enjoy that kind of a mod

41:47

mod, sort of a mishmash of stuff.

41:50

I think it was a great event. And of course

41:52

we came back to the house afterwards because the next

41:55

day was Squash Fest. Man,

41:58

it was just nonstop. the

42:00

time we got to Squatch Fest around noon or one

42:02

or something like that, we hit the ground running, had

42:04

to set up everything, and then they opened the doors

42:06

at four or five or something for a few hours,

42:09

and then the onslaught began. It was

42:11

nuts. Yeah. I love those events

42:14

though. The coolest thing

42:16

for me about Squatch Fest, both

42:18

days, the first Friday and Saturday,

42:21

was getting to see so many friends I

42:23

hadn't seen in so many years because they

42:25

all congregated under the same roof. Then

42:28

there were so many people that I'd communicated with

42:30

via phone calls and things like that over

42:33

the years that I'd never met in person, like

42:35

Shane Corson or Todd Hale. A number of these

42:37

people, it was like, oh, so cool to finally

42:39

meet you even though we've been having conversations for,

42:41

in some cases, like I said, 12, 14

42:44

years, which is pretty funny. But yeah,

42:46

it was a great event, very well-run,

42:48

lots of cool people there, but definitely

42:50

hardly a moment to breathe, very busy.

42:53

It is one of my favorite events just because it

42:55

is so close and it is so well-run, and so

42:57

many people show up. I mean,

43:00

probably 3,000 or more people, three

43:03

or 4,000 people came through the doors over the weekend. Of

43:06

course, we were there Friday and all

43:08

day Saturday, 10

43:10

whenever that was on Saturday, was it eight or six

43:12

or something? I don't even remember. It's

43:14

one big mushy mess in my memory.

43:16

I don't have a really strong timeline

43:18

for when or who or where

43:21

things came by the table there. But man, all

43:23

sorts of interesting people pop by, and I'm not even

43:25

really a people person in that sort of way. But

43:28

even I enjoyed talking to some of these people, like I

43:30

got to meet Jacob, Jacob Mitchell,

43:32

one of the co-rediscoverers of

43:35

the Ape Canyon Mine, talked

43:38

to him a little bit about maybe coming on the podcast

43:40

and telling the story of that, and also

43:42

coming by the museum for that Mark Mercel Ape

43:45

Canyon special events. I mean, he is Bigfoot royalty

43:47

now, whether he wants it or not. Too

43:50

bad, buddy, Jacob, if you're listening, you're

43:52

doomed. You're part of the Bigfoot community now forever. I

43:55

also hung out with

43:58

the great-granddaughter of Grand granddaughter of

44:00

Fred Beck. Her name was Brenda. I got to

44:02

meet her. And of course, Betty

44:05

Mitchell as well, the granddaughter of one

44:08

of the miners, like the Marion, not

44:10

Marion Smith, Leroy Smith. So

44:12

yeah, I met a lot of Ape Canyon folks,

44:14

because all those Ape Canyon miners were

44:17

living in that area, Longview and Kelso

44:20

at the time, and their roots run

44:22

deep. I think one of the relatives

44:24

told me that so and so, you know, aunt,

44:26

whatever, aunt Sandy or whatever her name was, had

44:29

17 children. So I

44:32

mean, you can imagine how many of those miners

44:35

relatives are running around that area. If

44:38

one of them a few steps up, you

44:40

know, dad, grandma, great grandma had 17 children,

44:43

you can imagine how many of those

44:45

folks have that DNA in them, the

44:47

Ape Canyon DNA. So that's pretty cool.

44:50

Yeah, I met someone again, like you

44:52

said, sometimes when you meet that many

44:54

people that are brand new, the new

44:57

folks sort of blend together a little bit. So I

44:59

apologize, I don't remember the specific person, but

45:02

I met and spoke with someone who had

45:05

backpacked into Ape Canyon before the mountain blew.

45:07

So this would have been I think, as

45:09

this person was describing it either late 60s

45:11

or early 70s. But it seemed

45:13

like they were motivated at the time of trying to

45:15

figure out where the thing fell, you

45:17

know, because it's not clear in the story

45:19

whether it retreated into the cat Canyon, the

45:21

box Canyon or whether it was hit

45:23

and killed and fell into the or at

45:25

least injured and fell into the canyon. But

45:28

I did meet a gentleman there who was like, Oh, yeah,

45:30

I've always been following that story. And in fact, we, we

45:33

backpacked into Ape Canyon back in the day, you know,

45:35

trying to find the thing, which I thought was

45:37

pretty cool. Yeah. And you know, there's

45:39

a group of folks that I guess it's

45:41

a fun, you know, like people like go,

45:43

they like to go caving or they like

45:45

to go mountain climbing. There's a group of

45:47

folks that kind of do a combination of

45:49

both those things and just walk down riverbeds,

45:51

like and people, there's a group of folks

45:53

that did the Ape Canyon thing, they hopped

45:55

in Ape Canyon at the very, very top,

45:57

you know, where the glacial trickle comes down.

46:00

through that little area by

46:02

Pumice Butte and goes between

46:04

that clef and the keyhole there that is

46:06

such as famous photograph in the Bigfoot books,

46:09

the giant rocks. By the way, you have

46:11

no idea how big those rocks are until

46:13

you see them. They're huge. They're 80 feet

46:15

tall. And that big clef is right there.

46:18

They rappelled down there and then kept on

46:20

going, basically. So there is a group

46:22

of folks that have done that once or twice. And

46:24

what an adventure that must be. It doesn't

46:27

look insurmountable. It looks like you probably want

46:29

ropes and all that jazz and some

46:31

skill. But otherwise, you

46:33

will almost certainly die. But

46:37

people have done that before. So there obviously

46:39

isn't any big skulls hanging down there, or they would have

46:41

been seen by now. Of course, that was

46:43

such a long time ago, too. There would probably be nothing left. But

46:46

I'm not a bit surprised to be back. Supposedly,

46:48

I think it was Rod,

46:51

I think? I think it

46:54

was grandson of Fred Beck, who

46:56

lived with Fred for quite a

46:58

while in his life, from like

47:00

13 to adulthood. I think he claims

47:02

to have gone to the mine site

47:04

in the early 70s, I

47:07

believe, and looked inside and apparently the miners

47:09

had left their gear there. But

47:11

I don't know. We'll find out more about that.

47:13

Mark has an interview lined up with

47:15

this gentleman to learn a little bit more about what he

47:17

saw. Now that the mine has been rediscovered, maybe we can

47:19

verify a few things of interest, which I think would be

47:22

kind of cool. But

47:24

it's not just an eight canyon sort of show

47:27

here, or an event, of course. I spoke

47:29

to other people. Some guy named Dane came

47:31

up to me and told me he saw

47:33

Sasquatch's kind of near Camas,

47:35

Washington. And it turns out that

47:37

I know more or less where that was

47:39

by the power lines, by some various distinct

47:41

turns in the road on Highway 500. And

47:43

that's of interest because I've got some friends

47:45

who live up there above Camas,

47:47

kind of in the Ireland area. And I go to

47:50

their house sometimes for dinner and I drive right by

47:52

the spot. So

47:54

I'm kind of interested in that. I'd probably give Dane

47:56

a call in the next couple weeks or something, see what's

47:58

going on with that guy. that Rook

48:01

guy that you mentioned earlier, he's

48:03

a nerd. He knows one of

48:05

my favorite bands, Sparks. In

48:07

fact, he listens to the podcast and we've already given him one

48:09

shout out. So you don't get another Rook, don't get greedy. But

48:12

he commented to me one time about how

48:14

I knew about Sparks and he was blown

48:16

away because he's also that level of nerd

48:18

that he knows about Sparks, that band. But

48:21

he came up to me and he gave me

48:23

a DVD about they might be Giants because that's

48:26

kind of another nerd band, if you know, in

48:28

my opinion. And also he gave me a compilation

48:30

DVD full of Don Knotts movies.

48:33

Amazing. I

48:35

love me some Don Knotts. And so thank you,

48:37

Rook. I appreciate that. And that was really cool.

48:41

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

48:43

with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right

48:45

back after these messages. Well,

48:53

I'll tell you something funny. You already know this, but

48:55

the audience doesn't know it. So of course, had

48:58

so many amazing interactions over these two

49:00

days, like really personally

49:02

very valuable to me to

49:04

see so many friends from back in the

49:06

day. But perhaps one of the stranger interactions

49:09

is, you know, I was broken away from the

49:11

table for a second and an older gentleman came

49:13

up to me and just randomly said, he goes,

49:15

Hey, you know, this is all BS, don't you?

49:18

And so I just kind of laughed and

49:20

I was like, okay, well, you know, I might

49:22

know a few people who think otherwise, but you

49:24

know, hope you're enjoying yourself at the event. And

49:26

he said, No, my Uncle Ray started

49:28

all this Ray Wallace. And I was like, Oh, yes,

49:30

I'm familiar with who your uncle is. And

49:32

he said, Yeah, so this is this is all nonsense. He's

49:34

he did all of it. And so I

49:36

was just being friendly and smile. And I said, Well,

49:39

you know, I'd really love to know how

49:41

your Uncle Ray was able to plant so

49:43

many citing stories in print media, like let's

49:45

say in North Georgia, back in the 1800s

49:48

and early 1900s. And he

49:50

smiled at me and he said, Well, I guess some

49:52

damn fools will believe anything. So I just smiled back

49:54

and said, Yeah, I guess they will take

49:57

that he was friendly enough. I

50:00

saw he came over and talked to you. So it

50:02

was kind of interesting to meet a member of the

50:04

Wallace family, but it was just funny that I was

50:06

afterwards, I was like, did he could just come up

50:08

to everyone and say, Hey, you know, this is all

50:11

BS writer. Was I the only lucky one? You know?

50:14

Well, you didn't say that to me. I spoke to him

50:16

at some length and I, I just killed him with kindness.

50:18

You know, it's not his fault. His uncle was a hoax

50:20

or, you know, so I just killed him with kindness and

50:22

time. And I said, Hey man, would you mind if I

50:25

took a picture with you? He goes, I don't want no

50:27

picture with nobody. It's like, all right, man. That's

50:29

cool. So I guess that's nice

50:31

to meet you. Crotchy, the old man. Thank you very much for

50:33

coming by the table. Appreciate that. Yeah. He

50:35

was funny. He was smiling the whole time and I

50:37

was too. So it wasn't, it wasn't like contentious. It

50:40

was just a funny conversation. You know, it was like,

50:42

Oh, well that was weird. Oh yeah.

50:44

Yeah. Also cool. It's like, Hey, I'm,

50:46

I'm familiar with who your uncle was. Like that's,

50:48

that's kind of cool. Like there's some history there.

50:50

Yeah. I asked him a little bit about the,

50:52

uh, the stompers and he wasn't aware that where

50:54

they were or anything like that, but I've got

50:56

a line on those things. Um, and of

50:58

course, I sure would like to get them for the museum. Don't get

51:00

me wrong. But I also understand and through

51:03

various contacts, I've almost acquired them a few times,

51:05

but I mean, the family wants to keep them

51:07

because their family heirlooms and I fully respect that.

51:09

And I fully understand that of course, but I,

51:12

I keep wondering, man, like would they let me

51:14

put them on and run through the mud and take

51:16

a couple casts? You know, that, that's what I really

51:18

want to do. I mean, if I can't

51:20

have them have them on display at the

51:22

museum as pieces of, um, historic, you know,

51:25

like just historic artifacts, I'd like to at

51:27

least make some casts out of them and

51:29

see what those, those footprint casts look like

51:31

and to compare them to some of those

51:33

early ones, you know, like the 58 Titmus

51:35

or the 59 Titmus ones and you know,

51:37

this, the 63 Hodgson

51:40

cast and that sort of stuff, you know, um,

51:42

cause a lot of those early bluff Creek things

51:44

are hoaxes. They are Ray

51:47

Wallace hoaxes. So to

51:49

have footprint casts from that would be very, very

51:51

useful. And of course, just a few

51:53

weeks ago, I put this on Twitter. I might've, did

51:55

I mentioned this on the show? I'm not sure. Somebody

51:57

brought in a footprint cast that they had in their.

52:00

dad's or uncle's garage or something like that.

52:02

And they wanted to know what I thought of

52:04

it. And it was immediately recognizable as a Ray

52:06

Wallace hoax, immediately recognizable.

52:08

Because the Wallace hoaxes have a

52:10

very particular look to them, you

52:12

know. And I told them

52:14

as much and whatever, and I put it on Twitter,

52:17

I think. Yeah, and then

52:19

some big footer gave me flack. Like

52:21

I was elevating hoaxers and giving them

52:24

the attention they don't deserve and stuff.

52:26

And I think you got this all wrong, man.

52:29

I think that you need to recognize this as,

52:31

whether we like it or not, as part of

52:33

big foot history. And we need

52:35

to learn from things like that. I'm not elevating

52:38

hoaxing and putting them

52:40

on pedestals as nonsense. I think this

52:42

particular person took it completely incorrectly and

52:44

looks at this in a very weird

52:46

way. So I don't know, I thought

52:48

that was kind of weird, but whatever,

52:50

people, I'll never understand them. Well, I

52:52

saw that tweet and given

52:55

the person who said that, I would say this

52:57

is what Carl Jung

52:59

would have called projection. Okay, fair enough.

53:02

Fair enough. So how

53:04

did you think your presentation went? Oh, I thought it

53:06

went very well. I didn't really know

53:08

what to expect because there

53:10

is such a proliferation of,

53:14

to put it charitably, mystical

53:16

interpretations around the subject. And you know,

53:18

that's always been an undercurrent of that,

53:20

but of course that's grown and grown

53:22

and grown and become more prevalent over

53:24

the last, really over the last 10

53:26

years, but especially I would say like

53:28

maybe the last five years. And so

53:31

my presentation was a bit more grounded in

53:33

trying to say that, you know, can

53:35

we look at this through the

53:37

narrowest constraints possible and construct

53:40

a viable model based

53:42

solely in what we know, you know,

53:44

the established knowns of science

53:46

as we currently understand it.

53:49

And if we can build a story

53:51

within that narrowest set of constraints that

53:54

serves to answer all these lingering questions,

53:56

then that's more likely to be true

53:59

than whatever model. you know, we construct

54:01

or whatever story we tell to use other

54:03

words that constantly invokes,

54:05

you know, the unknown the unusual

54:07

the extraordinary Etc.

54:10

And so whenever you're talking about something

54:12

that's really Biologically grounded like

54:14

that the concern is always like well if

54:17

there are mystical or metaphysical proponents They might

54:19

take offense to that but that didn't seem

54:21

to be case. Everybody was very receptive and

54:23

in fact One gentleman who

54:26

I am fairly certain Holds

54:28

a different perspective had reached

54:30

out to me and said that he found it

54:33

you know very useful to think and speak in

54:35

those terms about likelihoods and that it was grounding

54:37

and So that was very

54:39

nice to hear because again, I'm not trying to

54:41

combat other perspectives I'm not trying to

54:43

defeat other perspectives I'm just trying to say I

54:45

was asked to speak and so I'm going to

54:48

offer the perspective that I hold at this time

54:50

that I Think is you

54:52

know sufficient for me to explain this particular

54:54

mystery thus far and maybe you'll find it

54:56

useful to And

54:58

hopefully a lot of people do you know if I've

55:00

heard it said and so I try to make it

55:03

my philosophy to like You don't

55:05

change people's perspectives by attacking them

55:08

You change their perspectives by offering them a better

55:10

one And so my presentation

55:12

was really aimed at like here

55:14

is the simplest explanation the most

55:16

parsimonious Totally rooted in the

55:18

known within the narrowest set of

55:20

constraints that I can come up with and If

55:24

we can make that work then that's probably

55:26

close to the truth And so I'm very

55:28

glad it was well received and got a

55:30

lot of positive feedback. Thankfully. Yeah Well, I

55:32

didn't hear any bad comments about any of

55:34

the presentations I heard some really glowing ones

55:36

of Michael Freeman stuff and I know he

55:38

redid some of his presentation as well In

55:42

one gentleman actually Michael, I knew Michael's a good

55:44

friend we talked maybe once a week or more.

55:47

He was telling me that uh Somebody

55:49

came up to him who had actually worked with

55:52

Peter Byrne in the Bigfoot research project and

55:54

he said that he had he had

55:56

always assumed based on what Peter said

55:58

that his that And Paul Freeman,

56:00

Michael's father, was a hoaxer. And

56:03

it was all based on basically what Peter said.

56:08

And basically, after watching the presentation and weighing

56:10

some of the things that Michael was saying,

56:12

he kind of walked away saying, you know

56:14

what, now

56:16

that I'm kind of out of that sphere

56:18

of influence, I don't think that anymore. I

56:21

mean, the evidence that's put forward would be

56:23

very, very difficult to fake, especially for someone

56:25

with Paul's abilities, you know, or

56:27

lack thereof, perhaps. You know, because Paul was

56:29

a smart guy, but he was not

56:32

educated. You know, he was not educated in,

56:34

say, anatomy, for example. And he's a good

56:36

tracker to get outdoorsman and all that sort

56:38

of stuff. But tracking a

56:40

bear, tracking a deer is not super

56:43

relevant to tracking a Sasquatch in a lot of

56:45

ways. I mean, it is. And there's directly, don't

56:47

get me wrong, there's overlap, for sure. But

56:50

it's a different beast altogether in more

56:52

ways than one. So yeah,

56:54

this gentleman who had actually worked with Peter Byrne kind of

56:56

walked away and said, you know, I think I was just

56:58

under the spell, like he said it, and therefore I

57:01

believe it. And I think that's where most of

57:03

the Bigfoot community is, you know, with Renee DeHinden

57:05

and Peter Byrne and whoever else out there, you

57:07

know, talking smack

57:09

about the footprints and how that doesn't make sense

57:11

or this doesn't make sense. It really just shows

57:14

how they don't fully understand how the feet interact

57:16

with the ground and whatnot. So I know Michael

57:18

felt really good about it. And I know a

57:21

lot of people had really glowing things to say

57:23

about Michael's presentation. You know,

57:25

honestly, it's probably because Michael worries a

57:27

lot. You know, about his father's legacy

57:29

and how he's going to be perceived

57:31

because, you know, with the

57:33

last name like Freeman, you post anything on Facebook and

57:35

then people attack you for whatever it is. It doesn't

57:38

matter because your dad's a hoaxer and all this other

57:40

stuff. And he's thinking, you know, I think I would

57:42

know that and I live with the guy. But

57:45

I think that he was worried

57:47

about the reception of his stuff

57:50

so much that at the end, I think it finally

57:52

got to him. And Michael, you're listening. This is just

57:54

my guess. You can correct me if I'm wrong. But

57:57

right before it, he goes, you know what? Screw this.

57:59

I'm just going to have fun with it and

58:01

he let go. He let go of all that.

58:03

And apparently that came through to the audience. So

58:06

I couldn't be happier for Michael, for

58:08

having a good time on stage because that's what it

58:11

comes down to. That's what I do when I talk.

58:13

I try to have a good time on stage. Because

58:16

that's what I learned right by from being an

58:18

elementary school teacher for so long, that if I'm

58:20

not having a good time, the kids aren't having

58:22

a good time. And that's the way I treat

58:24

all my presentations. Like, yeah, I try to talk

58:26

about serious stuff. And I try to make it,

58:29

you know, informative and educational and all that sort

58:31

of stuff. But also, I try to have a good

58:33

time. Otherwise, why am I doing this, you know, and

58:35

I do think my presentation went pretty well. And there's

58:37

a few things I'm going to change for next time,

58:39

because it's a brand new presentation. I haven't done it

58:41

before. Basically, looking back

58:43

at 2023 and talking about some of the

58:45

some of the highlights at the museum, and

58:48

the things I have going on, but I want to

58:50

emphasize some because after the presentation, several people came up

58:52

to me and says, well, Cliff, you know, if you,

58:54

you know, you're getting all this stuff at the spot,

58:56

what about putting game cams out? Or what about trying

58:58

this? Or what about trying that? And in

59:00

every case, I'd go, dude, you don't think I'm

59:02

doing that? You think I tell you everything? Of

59:04

course I don't, you know, and they kind

59:07

of, you know, then it went away. Like, presentations are

59:09

one thing, there's certain information that is for the public.

59:11

And there's certain information that I hold tight to my

59:13

chest. So yeah, you know, I'm

59:15

open to all ideas. But you

59:17

know, you can you can probably bet that I'm a step

59:19

or two ahead, because I don't, I

59:22

don't share everything with the audience. Why would I,

59:24

you know, it does, it's private

59:26

research stuff. But yeah, I think it was

59:28

a great event. And oh, one last thing, because I know we're kind of

59:30

running out of time here. I would never

59:32

forgive myself if I didn't mention one of the highlights of

59:35

the weekend. So I'm talking to this

59:37

guy, and then somebody came up behind them. And,

59:39

and I saw that they had like, you know, a

59:42

bill in their head, like a dollar bill or something on their

59:44

hand. And I'm thinking, oh, this is great. Hey, man, I got

59:46

to take care of a customer. Thanks for blah, blah, blah. And

59:48

I thanked him kindly. I said, Hey, what can I do for

59:50

you? And this guy's name was Shane. And

59:52

he goes, Hey, I have a favor to ask

59:55

you and I'm thinking, sure, what is it? What can I do for

59:57

you? I'm happy to help with whatever, whatever I whatever is reasonable, you

59:59

know, he goes, I want to propose to

1:00:01

my girlfriend." I went, oh,

1:00:03

really? He wanted to pay me, he wanted

1:00:05

to give me a 100 bucks or something. I said, no, dude, I'm

1:00:07

doing this for free. I love love. I'm

1:00:11

in love with love itself. I think

1:00:14

it's the most important thing in

1:00:16

literally in the universe. He

1:00:19

goes, yeah, so this is what I want you to do. He

1:00:21

gave me a sign that he wrote, and it says,

1:00:23

marry me with a question mark. She's

1:00:26

a huge fan of you. She asked me about

1:00:28

Bigfoot on our very, very first date.

1:00:31

She asked, do you believe in Bigfoot? And

1:00:33

I think it's an appropriate question to ask

1:00:35

on your first date, because if the answer

1:00:37

is no, you really need to think

1:00:40

hard about that second date. You know what I

1:00:42

mean? But I know a lot of couples, for

1:00:44

me personally, it may not work

1:00:46

for me if Melissa didn't believe

1:00:49

in Bigfoot. So anyway, the

1:00:51

deal was she was gonna come around the corner with

1:00:53

Shane, and her name was Brittany, by the way, Brittany

1:00:56

Shane. So she was gonna come around the corner, and

1:00:58

she's apparently a big fan of finding Bigfoot.

1:01:00

So I was gonna say, hey, Brittany, because

1:01:02

why would I know her name? And

1:01:05

then I would show her the sign, and then she

1:01:07

would probably be confused for a minute. It's like, why does Cliff wanna

1:01:09

marry me? And then she'll

1:01:11

turn around, and then Shane would be on his

1:01:14

knees with the ring. And that's

1:01:16

exactly what happened. So they both came around

1:01:18

and go, hey, Brittany. And she looks at

1:01:20

me and smiles, and I

1:01:22

show her the sign, and then I kinda nod, because

1:01:25

I already have a wife. So

1:01:28

I kinda nod like, hey, look at that dude down

1:01:30

there. She turns around, and

1:01:32

there's photographs of it and stuff. And of

1:01:34

course she said yes, because how could you

1:01:36

not say yes, that

1:01:38

I need to get proposed to at a Bigfoot thing?

1:01:41

And just happily ever after. So Brittany

1:01:44

and Shane, more power to you guys.

1:01:46

Thank you for allowing

1:01:48

me to be part of it. Again,

1:01:51

love is the most important thing, period. And

1:01:54

to help kinda push you off the docks

1:01:56

and to the unknown together like that is

1:01:59

an honor. one that I will not

1:02:01

forget. So thank you very much for allowing me

1:02:03

to part of your forever, happily

1:02:05

ever after. And just good all

1:02:07

the luck in the world to you guys. So

1:02:09

Yeah, they were so great. They came up to

1:02:11

the table and you know, Brittany is originally from

1:02:13

Georgia. So we talked about some citing reports that

1:02:15

had occurred in Georgia, because she knew I was

1:02:17

from there. And, you know, it's funny, it's like,

1:02:19

as I get older,

1:02:22

and hopefully wiser, if not wiser,

1:02:24

I'm at least, you know, so

1:02:27

much more enveloped in and

1:02:29

motivated by gratitude, the older

1:02:31

I get. And so seeing so many of my

1:02:34

old friends, people hadn't seen him forever, was really

1:02:37

overwhelming, because it was just the conversations

1:02:39

and like, do you remember this? Remember

1:02:41

that? Like, God, I'm just so grateful to have

1:02:43

had so many cool adventures with so many people.

1:02:46

I got pretty teary eyed, like a

1:02:48

dozen, maybe two dozen times over the

1:02:50

weekend. But if I had seen that

1:02:53

go down, I definitely would have cried.

1:02:55

So thank you that I was spared having

1:02:57

to cry in front of a bunch of strangers. But

1:03:00

congratulations to them, because that is that

1:03:02

is just awesome. And they were really

1:03:04

sweet people. So kudos. Oh, I

1:03:06

got choked up. I'm not gonna lie. I'm a

1:03:08

very sensitive guy. I'm a crier in general, you

1:03:10

know, like little things, you know,

1:03:13

set me up like movies and just

1:03:15

sweet kindness and heroism to

1:03:17

certain flavor heroism really does happen

1:03:19

to me. And this definitely kind of choked me

1:03:21

up for minutes. Like just to know that I'm

1:03:24

fortunate enough to always be part of their

1:03:26

history. It's just like what what an honor.

1:03:28

What an honor. I agree. And this is

1:03:30

the point where we need someone to go,

1:03:32

you guys are total whims, dude. Boba,

1:03:36

where are you when you need when we need you? Something

1:03:38

that we haven't mentioned yet, which is probably one

1:03:40

of the most important things that happened the entire

1:03:42

weekend is previous

1:03:45

guests on Bigfoot and

1:03:47

beyond. The dudes who found the snow prints

1:03:49

over on Bluff Creek. They

1:03:51

were in the neighborhood, they came to the museum on

1:03:53

Thursday, and then afterwards wanted to go for a hike,

1:03:56

I guess. But basically, the long

1:03:58

and short of it is that these Two

1:04:00

of those three dudes saw

1:04:02

a Sasquatch that's Doug and

1:04:04

Todd and Kerry, three

1:04:06

folks that were driving up to

1:04:09

Squatch Fest from California. They

1:04:12

observed a Sasquatch

1:04:15

just a few miles

1:04:17

from my house, basically,

1:04:21

up there, kind of up towards

1:04:23

Lolo Pass Road in that general direction

1:04:25

on the adjacent Bull Run. They were

1:04:27

on a trail and, well, we'll tell

1:04:29

everybody else about that in the members

1:04:32

section because we're kind of running out

1:04:34

of time here. I hate to be

1:04:36

a tease like that, but that's what

1:04:38

we do here in Big Foot and

1:04:40

Beyond. We tease things. So anyway, you

1:04:42

and I, Matt, of course, and Emily

1:04:44

went to the site with the witnesses

1:04:46

on Sunday after we got home and

1:04:48

great things happened. In fact, I went

1:04:50

back on Monday as well. We've got

1:04:52

a bunch of stuff to tell you

1:04:54

about that, but let's do that in the members section.

1:04:56

So I don't know. Other than that, Matt, what else

1:04:58

do we want to say? I

1:05:00

just want to say, I met so many people

1:05:02

that came up and said, I love the podcast

1:05:05

and I talked to a great many listeners and

1:05:07

people had so much positive feedback

1:05:09

and I'm so grateful for that. A

1:05:12

lot of them were coming up to me and saying that and Cliff's

1:05:14

table was busier than mine, obviously, but I

1:05:16

would always encourage, hey, go tell Cliff. Because

1:05:19

I'm just the producer and occasionally talk,

1:05:22

but I was like, oh, you got to tell Cliff

1:05:24

that you guys are listening to it. So I

1:05:26

know Bobo will listen to this episode, but

1:05:28

man, we put in so much time

1:05:30

and so many hours on this. I

1:05:33

work on it every single day. We

1:05:35

do this every week and it's been almost five years, which

1:05:37

is crazy. It doesn't feel like it. But

1:05:40

every time I upload an episode, I'm like,

1:05:42

oh wow, this is episode number 250 something

1:05:45

or whatever. And then plus the however

1:05:47

many 60 bonus episodes. And

1:05:49

so you just sort

1:05:51

of get in that streamlined repetition of

1:05:53

like the production cycle.

1:05:56

And of course I do see a lot of very nice things

1:05:58

online, but I kind of avoid. social media, but when

1:06:01

someone's standing right in front of you and they're

1:06:03

smiling from ear to ear telling you how much

1:06:05

they love it, how much they enjoy listening, like

1:06:07

it means the world to me. I'm

1:06:09

just so grateful for every one of you

1:06:11

who expressed that and so thank

1:06:13

you listeners very very much. You're the sweetest

1:06:15

people and I know that Cliff and Bobo,

1:06:17

none of us could do it without you.

1:06:20

No, absolutely not. It's

1:06:23

a good reminder because man, it is not easy to

1:06:25

do this podcast. You think like, oh, I always do

1:06:27

this, talk to your friends once a week. It's not

1:06:30

easy at all man. We're trying to book guests that

1:06:32

we think are interesting. We're trying to fend off people

1:06:34

that aren't. I mean, you've

1:06:36

heard me kind of complain before in

1:06:38

a way. It's not easy to

1:06:40

wrangle everyone's schedules. I mean, I'm extraordinarily

1:06:43

busy. Matt is of course

1:06:46

at our beck and call, but even he's

1:06:48

got a life. He's got a wife. He

1:06:50

goes to the woods. He has family and

1:06:52

stuff and Bobo is just Bobo and everything

1:06:54

that entails. It's not easy to get everybody

1:06:56

together even once a week to do this,

1:06:58

let alone trying to coordinate with guests and

1:07:00

when they're available. And I

1:07:02

just kind of forget. I mean, I've said it

1:07:05

before in the podcast. I forget that there are

1:07:07

even people listening. I know that's weird,

1:07:09

but it's true because it's like when you're on TV,

1:07:11

you don't think about the people who are going to

1:07:13

watch the finished product when you're filming it. You're just

1:07:16

doing what you do. And so once a

1:07:18

week, I sit in front of a microphone and talk to

1:07:20

Bobo and Matt. And that's what I do.

1:07:22

And that's my job. It's one of my three jobs that I

1:07:24

do every single week. And you

1:07:27

know, I forget sometimes. So when I get out

1:07:29

to these events and I see people

1:07:31

either wearing the Bigfoot and Beyond shirts or they come up

1:07:33

and they say, I had to listen to you all the

1:07:35

time. I'm on my third

1:07:38

listen through of all the episodes and it's like,

1:07:40

holy smokes. I forget that what

1:07:42

I mean, it's weird, but I forget that

1:07:44

what I do matters at all to anybody.

1:07:48

And it's a good reminder because it's

1:07:50

not easy to do this. And there's been

1:07:52

lots of times I just want to pull

1:07:54

my own eyes out because of the podcast.

1:07:56

But to know that it matters to people,

1:07:58

it does make a difference. and it does help

1:08:00

me keep going instead of like

1:08:02

choking on my own tongue and not doing

1:08:05

this any longer. So anyway, I really

1:08:08

do appreciate that. And I know if

1:08:10

Bubba was here, he would say something

1:08:12

very similar, but probably in a slightly

1:08:14

more gruff manner. Thanks, dude. All

1:08:17

right. Well, with that, we still have some

1:08:20

talking to do, man. Why don't we shut

1:08:23

this down and we can go talk about

1:08:25

the citing report and then the follow

1:08:28

up and the evidence that has

1:08:30

been gained since then. Absolutely. And

1:08:32

so folks, if you're not already a member,

1:08:35

there's a link in the show notes as

1:08:37

there is in every single episode, it's $5

1:08:39

a month, you get an extra episode every

1:08:41

week, we put those out on Thursdays, people

1:08:43

really love it. We post a lot of

1:08:45

fun stuff to Patreon, there's cool community chat

1:08:47

features so you can talk with the other

1:08:49

members. There's always an ongoing conversation about various

1:08:52

Sasquatch related things. So it's a lot of fun

1:08:54

for just $5 a month. And

1:08:56

there you go. So I guess if I

1:08:58

were Bobo, I would say keep it Squatchy.

1:09:06

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