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2:04

Pretty good. Pretty good. Just cruising along at the end

2:06

of my day doing a podcast with some of my

2:09

best friends. So everything's looking nice. Who's that? Matt

2:13

Pruitt and Bobo, of

2:15

course. All right. Hey,

2:19

Bob's, we're pretty excited. Why don't you let's get us into

2:21

the guest, man. This is too good to talk anything else

2:23

about. Yeah, I've heard of this

2:26

guy's. You know, I heard about him for

2:28

a while ago, but I don't

2:30

remember the details or anything. But, yeah, our

2:33

illustrious producer, Matt Pruitt, actually

2:36

got in touch with him. And it was pretty

2:38

shocking to hear that when I heard he said

2:40

he got ahold of him. I was like, wow,

2:42

that's nuts. So Matt, tell us, tell

2:44

us how you got ahold of him. Yeah, it was

2:46

really funny. One of our beloved members, one

2:49

of our Patreon members had reached out to me and

2:51

said, hey, I understand we live in the same town.

2:53

We should meet up and have lunch, talk squash. No

2:56

one's ever accused me of not talking enough. So

2:59

I was like, oh, great, an opportunity to go

3:01

talk. So we're hanging out and

3:03

making small talk. And I'd asked him, what got you

3:05

interested in the subject? And he said, oh, I was

3:08

always kind of interested, but I met a guy here

3:10

in Nashville who had seen one. And I was like,

3:12

well, that's cool. And he said, yeah,

3:14

he was actually an elk hunter

3:16

and a guide in Colorado. And

3:19

I was like, oh, that's really interesting. And he

3:21

said, yeah, he watched it through binoculars for a

3:23

few minutes. And I immediately recognized the story because

3:26

I was always a big fan of

3:28

the writings of a researcher from Kansas

3:30

named Keith Foster. And

3:32

he actually worked with a number of elk

3:34

hunters and people that were prominent in that

3:36

community in Colorado to put together a lot

3:38

of information about Sasquatch sightings there. And then

3:40

there was a journalist for the Denver Post

3:43

named Theo Stein who had written this. And

3:46

so I immediately, I just took a chance with this guy and I said,

3:48

hey, is this, is this friend of yours? Is

3:50

his name Jeff Dyson journey? And he was like, yeah, how did you

3:52

know that? And I was like, I got

3:54

a pretty good memory man for Sasquatch related

3:56

stuff. And so to learn that he lived

3:58

here in the same area. as I do,

4:00

I reached out and we had a

4:02

great conversation and I thought we've got to get them

4:04

on the podcast. And so I'm, I

4:07

know you guys are somewhat familiar with the story, but,

4:09

uh, I'm going to let Jeff

4:11

tell it so you guys can, uh, can

4:13

host the conversation and I'm all here for

4:15

it. All right. Good score, Pruitt. So welcome,

4:17

Jeff. Thanks so much for coming on. Hey,

4:19

thank you guys. Hey, Jeff. Hey,

4:22

Bobo. I will say

4:24

this to just begin

4:27

that, um, I

4:29

have never done a podcast on this

4:32

ever. I've done a bunch

4:34

of podcasts on elk hunting

4:36

and back country bow hunting

4:38

and, and shooting professional

4:41

archery, but in the military

4:43

stuff, but I've never done

4:45

this. So, so this

4:47

would be a first for me. Yeah.

4:49

Us too. We've never had you on this. It'd be great. Yeah,

4:52

this'll be fun. Could

4:56

you condense your, uh, like what you usually say

4:58

on a, on a podcast about hunting

5:00

kind of kind of gave us a brief intro

5:02

on you, like what your, what your qualifications in

5:04

the woods are. Sure. Uh,

5:07

I grew up here in middle Tennessee,

5:09

a small town, grew up, honey, uh,

5:12

you know, mostly small game, that kind of stuff.

5:15

Um, grew up hunting

5:17

a place that y'all are probably familiar with and

5:19

heard of called land between the lakes.

5:22

Uh, never once in

5:25

my life, uh, have I ever thought

5:27

about Bigfoot, especially all the time I

5:29

spent down there as a kid. Um,

5:32

and then, you know, after high school,

5:34

I went in the military. I was

5:37

a part of the 75th special forces

5:39

out of Fort Benning, uh, been deployed

5:41

in South and Central America, uh,

5:44

Africa over in the middle East. Um,

5:47

so did that. And

5:49

I was with a QRF, a quick

5:51

reaction force team. So if people got

5:54

in trouble, it was our job to go and get them

5:56

out and that sort of thing. I was

5:58

a part of Somalia. where

6:00

I was wounded three times over

6:03

there. And so anyway, I got

6:05

out, went to college in Oklahoma, played a little

6:07

baseball there. And then

6:09

after college, I came back to Nashville

6:11

and played music professionally for

6:14

about three years. What'd you

6:16

play? I'm a piano

6:19

player by trade. Yeah. Been

6:22

doing that my whole life.

6:24

But it's weird because, you

6:26

know, of course, Nashville is a country vibe

6:28

and all of that. But I

6:30

grew up playing a lot of blues,

6:33

Southern Almond Brothers, that kind of stuff.

6:35

Those were my influences. And

6:38

anyway, when I was on the road, I

6:41

would always go out to Colorado and

6:43

go elk hunt. And one

6:45

year, the year before I got out of the

6:47

music business, I had called

6:50

in this bull elk and

6:52

had shot him with a recurve bow.

6:55

And I thought I was the only person

6:57

in the world. And I'm down there, you

6:59

know, quartering and skinning this thing. And

7:02

I was about six miles in, I was

7:04

backpack bow hunting. And

7:06

this was probably like 95, maybe 96, somewhere

7:08

in there. And

7:12

this cowboy rode up on

7:14

a horse with like two mules out of nowhere

7:16

and scared the snot out of me. And

7:19

ended up being the owner of one of

7:22

the largest outfitters in

7:24

the country, really, in Pikes Peak Outfitters.

7:26

And he said he'd set up on the

7:28

mountain and watched that whole thing. And he goes,

7:30

you ever want a job? Call me and by

7:33

George, the next year, I've had enough

7:35

of the music business. And

7:37

so I called him and kind

7:39

of escaped out to Colorado and

7:43

started guiding full time. So, you know,

7:45

did that in the fall. And then

7:48

they also had a wilderness program and

7:51

was an instructor there during the

7:53

summer. And, you know, book

7:55

taunts and that sort of thing. So I was

7:58

only one of two guys that were full time. time

8:00

there when everybody else was

8:02

seasonal. And so

8:04

I spent literally probably

8:06

300 days a year

8:08

out, you know, in the

8:11

outside. So yeah, and

8:13

then, you know, that brings that brings us to

8:15

when, when the sighting happens,

8:17

really. So, before

8:20

we do go on to that, how did you

8:22

take Dickey Betts death, by the way, guitars

8:24

for the Allman Brothers? Do you want

8:27

me to be honest? Not a

8:29

huge Dickey fan. He

8:31

was the mean one of the best. You

8:34

know, I gotta say, I've never seen a picture of him smile.

8:37

Good player. No, great

8:39

player, great player. But I mean,

8:41

when you're playing beside Dwayne Allman,

8:43

I mean, does it get much better

8:45

than Dwayne, really? But I

8:49

will say this, Dickey's a heck of

8:51

a songwriter and a heck of a

8:53

player. And I'm sure that

8:55

his fans are sad. And,

8:57

of course, you know, half

9:00

of the Allman Brothers are gone now. But

9:03

as far as the band is concerned, most

9:06

all of them are gone, really. But I

9:08

didn't take it too hard, not when Dickey

9:11

died. So, Gosh, well, you mentioned

9:13

that the timely sort of thing, I wanted to ask about that

9:15

while I had a chance. So, okay, so

9:17

let's get back to the Bigfoot thing, which I

9:20

guess is important for this podcast. Before

9:22

your encounter, which we'll get to in just a moment,

9:25

how much credence or how much thought ever

9:27

went into the Bigfoot thing at all? This

9:29

was a zero. It

9:32

was just nonsense. This background garbage

9:34

noise that you've been hearing about probably most your life,

9:36

never really thought about it. That's kind of thing. The

9:39

only time that Bigfoot ever came up

9:41

in my life, and this

9:43

is gonna sound bad because I should have probably

9:45

researched this. But when I was a kid, maybe

9:47

12, 13 years old, there

9:50

was a movie out. And this

9:52

is y'all might can help me

9:54

with this. But I remember in

9:56

the movie, they put out like

9:58

this electric fan. out in the middle

10:01

of nowhere. And this thing

10:03

was breaking all the barriers. And

10:05

I had gone to see that. And, you know,

10:07

when I walked out of that, I was like,

10:09

Oh, that's crazy. You know, those things don't, aren't

10:12

real. What you're about? So

10:14

if I was so 77, I'd have been 10.

10:17

So probably 78 79, maybe. That's

10:21

a probably that Sasquatch one where all the guys

10:24

going to that horse train out into the woods.

10:26

Yes, that's it. Yeah, that one. What is it?

10:29

We have a poster of it. Downstairs in the

10:31

museum, Sasquatch. It's called Sasquatch

10:33

the Legend of Bigfoot. There you go. Thank

10:35

you, Matt Pruitt. Sasquatch the Legend of Bigfoot.

10:37

Yeah, 1968 or something like

10:40

that. Or I mean, 1976 rather. Yeah.

10:44

So yeah, I was like nine, nine

10:46

or 10. Yeah. So

10:48

anyway, I saw that and you know,

10:51

had no credence towards that at all.

10:53

Like, you know, I'm in Tennessee, you

10:55

know, that's a big old

10:58

hoe. And I don't know that

11:00

you even really see Sasquatch in that movie. And

11:03

so I never believed in anything

11:05

like that ever. So,

11:07

you know, even when I

11:09

got to the mountains of Colorado, I just

11:13

nobody ever brought it up. And,

11:16

you know, and I honestly never thought about

11:18

it. So well,

11:20

let's go into your sighting.

11:24

What's the context? What were you doing out there? When was

11:26

this, you know, all that sort of stuff kind of lead

11:28

us up to it, walk us through it. So

11:32

and I'm sorry, I am so unprepared.

11:35

I did a report right after the right

11:38

after I had the second sighting. So that

11:40

that report on the BFRO will tell you,

11:42

I want to say it was like 98

11:45

maybe I've been

11:47

guiding for a couple years had one

11:49

Colorado guide of the year the year

11:51

before I do remember that. And

11:54

so we, me and the

11:56

head guide that summer had found

11:58

a spot on the backside of

12:00

Pikes Peak back in the

12:02

wilderness area there that summer and they

12:04

found just a bunch of elk. And

12:08

so he and I decided that two

12:10

weeks prior to season we would go in,

12:12

take a couple of the new guys and

12:15

set up some wall tents and you

12:17

know corrals for the horses because it was

12:20

by horse it was probably about a three

12:22

and a half four hour ride by horse.

12:25

And so we'd gone in and you

12:27

know a couple weeks prior to the

12:29

season and by that time I had clients

12:32

that, repeat clients. So they had hunted with

12:34

me in years you know a couple years

12:37

past and he definitely

12:39

had repeat clients and so we're like

12:41

man let's give these guys a great

12:43

hunt. And so it was

12:45

we took me and him Bob Gorman.

12:48

We each had two clients and

12:50

then we had a hook

12:53

slash a wrangler.

12:56

He took care of the horses and stuff.

12:59

And so the day the clients get in we

13:02

have so four six we had

13:04

seven horses and probably

13:06

eight mules to pack everybody stuff

13:08

in on and all that for

13:11

a seven day hunt. And

13:14

each client had an elk tag

13:16

and each client had a deer

13:18

tag and one of my

13:20

clients actually had a bear tag. So

13:22

we went in that you know we went in

13:25

on a Saturday and got

13:27

there Saturday afternoon and got everybody

13:29

settled and you know the cook

13:32

did his thing and and just

13:35

had a great afternoon and evening

13:37

riding in and next morning we

13:39

get up and we killed three

13:41

elk right away. Three bulls and

13:44

we're having like we're like holy cow

13:46

this is amazing. I don't

13:49

know if you've ever done that or not but when you

13:51

kill an elk it's it's an all-day

13:53

process really. And so when you kill three

13:55

elk it's really an all-day process. And so

13:58

you know we're having a great time. You know, we didn't finish

14:01

till late at night. And then the

14:03

next day, my other client

14:05

who didn't kill, he and I went

14:07

out by ourselves while the rest of them went mule

14:09

deer hunting and my

14:12

client killed a bull that morning

14:14

about nine o'clock. Well, so

14:17

we start working on that elk and

14:20

we get back. Well, the other three guys

14:22

had already killed a mule deer. I'm like,

14:24

holy cow. They're like, we're having like

14:27

the best time ever, you know? And

14:29

so anyway, the next morning we

14:31

get up and my client kills a mule

14:33

deer and we went back to one of

14:36

the gut piles and that

14:38

afternoon he shot a bear. So

14:40

in three days we had killed, you know, four

14:43

deer and a bear. I mean,

14:45

it was just the most amazing

14:47

thing. And

14:49

so it was on a Wednesday, Wednesday

14:52

or Thursday, and we

14:54

decided that we were going to pack

14:56

the meat out and where the

14:58

ranch was, was close to a town called

15:00

Cripple Creek. They're

15:02

on the backside of Pikes P. And

15:04

so we were like, let's, let's pack out in

15:07

the morning or, you know, whenever

15:09

we get everything packed and ready to go. And

15:12

we'll go back to the ranch. We'll get the meat

15:14

hung in the coolers and all that and get the

15:16

hives and the heads taken care of, and then

15:19

we'll go spend a couple of nights in Cripple Creek

15:21

and have fun. And everybody was

15:23

up for that. And so that's, that's, that

15:25

was the plan. So

15:28

by the time we got all of our gear

15:30

and everything situated and horses

15:32

ready and every, you know,

15:34

meat and heads and all that, by

15:37

the time we, we got ready to go, it

15:39

was, it was probably one

15:41

or two o'clock in the afternoon. And

15:44

so we're coming back and

15:46

we're about more than halfway

15:48

back to the trailhead where the

15:50

trucks and the horse trailers were

15:52

at. And

15:54

we're coming along the side

15:56

of this mountain and on

15:58

the trail. It

16:01

does like almost a 90 degree

16:03

loop, if you will, like a horseshoe. So

16:08

I'm in the lead, I've got two

16:10

or three pack animals, and

16:12

then we've got the four clients just

16:14

on horses, and then we've

16:16

got the cook, and he's probably got

16:19

a couple pack animals, and

16:21

then the head guy, Bob, was riding

16:23

drag, and he's got the rest of

16:25

the meals. He's got probably six meals

16:28

with him. And

16:30

so we're in this

16:32

horseshoe, and I get through the

16:35

horseshoe, and my horse just started

16:37

acting crazy. Like, he wouldn't go

16:39

anywhere. He was like trotting,

16:41

like just his front feet, like he

16:43

was trying to stamp out something. And

16:46

so Bob's on the other side of me,

16:49

not 50 yards, and we're

16:51

looking at each other, and he's like, what's

16:53

going on? I said, man, it

16:55

must be a bear or a mountain lion or

16:57

something. I said, he smells something. Because, I mean,

16:59

I've had that horses in parades, and

17:02

nothing really bothered that horse. And

17:05

so Bob's like, well, get off and lead him on up

17:07

the trail. So where we

17:09

were at was pretty steep grade right

17:11

there. And so instead of getting

17:13

off on the downhill side, because I'm only

17:15

5'9", so I'm not real tall, I

17:18

got off on the right side of

17:20

the horse, on the upside of the mountain. As

17:24

soon as I got off, this

17:27

thing burst between everybody

17:29

down this valley. And

17:33

I'll be honest with you, the only thing I

17:35

really saw was like a head and shoulders. And

17:39

I'm going, is that a bear? What is

17:41

that? Is that a bear? And

17:43

this thing is so fast, so

17:46

fast, didn't make a noise. Like,

17:49

you could hear the pine boughs, like,

17:52

you know, when you're running on them.

17:54

But like, it wasn't any crunching or

17:56

any sticks breaking or anything

17:59

like this. And it was like full

18:01

speed down this mountain. Stay

18:05

tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

18:07

Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back

18:09

after these messages. And

18:16

so all these guys are freaking

18:18

out. And I'm thinking bear. I'm

18:21

like, is that a bear? Like, you know, because

18:23

all I could, I could barely see over the

18:25

saddle where I was at. And

18:28

so anyway, my

18:31

horse starts acting weird.

18:33

So 20, 30 seconds,

18:35

maybe a minute later, everything

18:37

kind of calms down. I get back on my

18:39

horse and off we go. And

18:42

I'm asking Bob. I'm like, man, I've never seen a

18:44

bear do that. And Bob goes, that was

18:47

no bear. I'm like, what do you

18:49

mean that wasn't no bear? Well, the

18:51

clients right away started yelling Bigfoot.

18:54

And I'm like, what? Bigfoot, like,

18:57

that's not a thing. Come on,

18:59

that was a bear, man. No, come on, that was a bear.

19:02

And Bob goes, dude, it was on

19:04

two legs. And I'm

19:06

like, are you kidding me? Like, no way. So

19:09

I was still doubting

19:11

what I saw because I didn't get

19:13

a clear, clean look at it. So

19:17

anyway, we get back up to the horse trailers.

19:20

And the Wrangler

19:22

has the big

19:24

horse trailer. And then I have a horse

19:27

trailer. And then we had

19:29

somebody meet us down there to pick up

19:31

the clients. Well, the clients got

19:33

picked up. And we never really had a

19:36

conversation at all with them. Unloading

19:39

horses and gear and meat and all that kind

19:41

of stuff. And

19:44

so it was just me and

19:46

the Wrangler and Bob there. And we're

19:48

getting everything loaded up. And the Wrangler's

19:50

like, dude, that was Bigfoot. I'm

19:53

like, man, I said it's not even real,

19:55

man. I'm like, come on. And

19:57

so Bob gets in the truck with me. We've

20:00

got probably about an hour drive back to

20:02

where we're going. We're

20:05

going up the mountain and

20:07

Bob's like, man, I've heard people talk about

20:09

that thing, but I've never, ever in my

20:11

life ever thought I'd see one. He'd

20:14

been doing it. He'd been guiding. He

20:17

was probably in his 60s then. This

20:19

guy had been guiding since he was 30. He's

20:22

got 30 years out there and had never

20:24

seen this thing. One

20:28

of Bob's big things was, look, when

20:30

we get back to the ranch, we

20:33

don't talk about it. This never happens.

20:36

I'm like, what are you talking about?

20:38

He goes, man, what if

20:40

he gets out that we saw Bigfoot

20:43

and it gets out big time? This

20:45

was way before social media and all

20:47

that mess. Back

20:52

then we were getting all the good writeups

20:55

and Western Horseman and Bo

20:57

Hunt Magazine, North

20:59

American Honey Magazine.

21:03

His big thing was, don't say a word.

21:05

I'm like, no worries by me. I'm not

21:07

going to say anything. I've

21:09

never paid any attention. Fast

21:14

forward almost a year to the

21:16

day. It's

21:19

opening season. I've

21:21

got two brothers that are coming in

21:23

from Michigan that had hunted with

21:25

me the year before. They had booked

21:28

another hunt with me. Everybody

21:30

comes in on a Saturday. Not

21:33

that it matters, but when you're a new

21:35

guide, these people show up.

21:37

You mingle with them. If

21:39

you hit it off with somebody and they

21:41

like you and you like them, that's who

21:43

you guide. I

21:45

was in a position where I didn't have to

21:47

do that anymore. I had repeat customers and I

21:49

knew who was coming in. I know what they

21:51

liked and what they didn't like. I'm

21:56

sitting there at the lodge and I'm

21:58

mingling with people. for my guys

22:00

to get there from the airport. And

22:03

I get a phone call from

22:05

the two brothers saying that their dad had passed

22:07

away and that they weren't gonna be able to

22:09

make it. And so

22:12

this was like nine o'clock at night. And

22:16

so by that time, all the other clients

22:18

had been taken. So here I'm left with

22:20

not having any clients for the week. And

22:23

so I go to the owner and the

22:25

head guide and I said, hey, do

22:27

you guys want me to stick around this week? I

22:29

said, I have an elk tag in my pocket. I'd

22:31

love to go hunt. And Bob goes, where

22:34

are you gonna go hunt? I said, probably

22:36

down there, we had that great hunt last year,

22:38

Bob goes, I don't know if I'd go down

22:40

there. I'm like, come on, man, really? And

22:43

so anyway, the next morning I

22:45

get up and I go to the trailhead and

22:47

so I hike in. I have

22:49

a backpack, got my bow. I

22:51

even took a fishing ride because there's a couple of

22:53

beaver ponds down there that have brook trout in them.

22:56

And I was just gonna do it up for a

22:58

week and have fun. Then if

23:01

I'd killed one, I'd hiked out and

23:03

come grab my horse and packed it out. It'd been

23:05

a lot easier, you know, that way. So

23:07

anyway, I hike in there that afternoon and

23:10

I get in there, you know, fairly late

23:12

in the afternoon, probably three o'clock or so,

23:14

because it takes me about five hours to

23:16

get in there, walk in five or six.

23:20

And I get in there

23:22

and I set up a tent and I'm at the very

23:24

last beaver pond. And where this place

23:26

is located, to

23:28

the south is this

23:31

big, huge ridge that

23:33

goes on for like two miles. It's

23:36

just solid rock. And it's probably

23:38

a couple thousand feet

23:41

tall. Like the only way anybody's going up

23:43

or down that way, you'd have to be

23:45

a professional rock climber to do that. But

23:48

there's this valley that comes out

23:50

of it and it's meadows with

23:52

Aspen. It's just like

23:54

the perfect little cubby hole

23:57

for elk. And there's lots

23:59

of water in there. And so I

24:01

met the very last Beaver Pond and

24:03

I caught a couple of brookies and

24:05

cooked those up and the

24:07

Elk were bugling. And I mean, it

24:09

was just a perfect night. And

24:12

so I get up the next morning and make

24:14

some coffee and I

24:17

hear the Elk bugling. So

24:19

I go up and I pass a couple

24:22

of these Beaver Pond and I'm headed kind

24:24

of up towards the cliffs. And

24:27

to the right, there's an outcrop in there. So

24:29

I caught up on the outcrop and then I was

24:31

going to wait for the sun to come up. And

24:35

during all this, like I said, the

24:37

Elk were screaming and bugling and

24:39

doing everything. And I was so excited. I

24:42

was having so much fun. And

24:45

so the sun's starting to come up a little bit

24:48

to where I can use

24:50

my binoculars. Now when you're

24:52

guiding, binoculars is your

24:54

number one friend. I mean, if

24:58

you don't have binoculars, you're going to miss

25:00

so much out there in that big country

25:02

that's out there. And

25:05

so we have become sponsored

25:07

by all these

25:09

different manufacturers. Like we

25:11

were sponsored by Rocky

25:13

Boots and Realtree camouflage.

25:17

But one of our best and biggest

25:19

sponsors was Zeiss binoculars.

25:23

And it was kind of before Swarovski had

25:25

come out and become big and all that.

25:27

So Zeiss was as good as it gets.

25:30

It was as good as it got during that

25:33

period or whatever. And so I had

25:35

a pair of 10 by 50 Zeiss. And

25:39

when you're guiding on just a

25:41

regular hunt, you were

25:43

in those binoculars probably 80%

25:45

of the time. And

25:48

then with all my training

25:50

and stuff in the military, there's a

25:53

way to glass areas. And especially if

25:55

you're looking for enemy guys and all

25:57

that. And it pertains to that. same

26:00

way basically to honey. So

26:03

anyway, I'm up on this out cropping

26:05

and it's daylight, it's getting

26:07

daylight. And so I hear an elk bugle

26:10

and I would, you know, I'd get

26:12

my binoculars up and oh, there he

26:14

is, he's 300 yards away. And another

26:17

one would bugle and, you know, he's 500

26:19

yards away. And all in

26:21

all, there was probably seven or eight

26:23

different bulls in this herd of elk

26:25

and they were just scattered all along

26:28

this like meadow area. So

26:30

anyway, I heard this bugle down by

26:33

where my tent was. And

26:35

my tent was probably about 350, 400 yards away.

26:38

And so I just glassed

26:40

down there and it bugled again

26:42

and I realized he was closer to me than

26:44

my tent. So I'm kind of working the glass

26:46

back up towards me and I'm hitting

26:50

these beaver ponds, you can see these beaver

26:52

ponds. And I noticed

26:54

this thing in this beaver pond, like I

26:57

said, man, those elk are down there wallowing

26:59

in those beaver ponds. So,

27:02

you know, it's right at first

27:04

light. And so, you know, I'm

27:06

really focused on what's going on

27:08

down there because I could get to those

27:10

fairly quick, you know, if I wanted to.

27:12

And so I'm looking

27:15

at this beaver pond and then all

27:17

of a sudden this

27:19

thing raises up out of this pond and

27:22

I'm like, holy cow, like what

27:24

in the world is this? So

27:27

then it gets out of the beaver pond and

27:30

right away I'm thinking, okay, that's

27:33

the Bigfoot that they're talking about.

27:36

I'm freaked out inside a

27:38

little bit because I mean, nobody, if you've

27:41

never seen one, I mean, you don't know till

27:43

you know, right? I mean, I don't

27:45

know how else to explain that. I mean,

27:48

you know, we can say there's aliens, but

27:51

until you see one, you don't know how

27:53

you're going to react, especially with a

27:55

Bigfoot or a Sasquatch. So

27:58

this thing gets out. And

28:00

he kind of shakes off a little bit

28:03

and man, I am like Zooming

28:06

in on this thing and he's probably about

28:08

150 yards out So

28:11

with 10 10 by 50 sites

28:14

like I can see this thing blinking, you

28:17

know and

28:19

my first thought Really?

28:22

Wasn't oh, you know, oh my gosh.

28:24

Oh my gosh or whatever my first

28:26

thought was This

28:29

is a monster And if

28:31

he comes at you and I'm hunting with

28:33

a recurve bow like the Indians used to

28:35

do I'm like if

28:38

this thing comes at you You're

28:40

gonna have one shot That's

28:43

it. Do you have a side arm? No,

28:46

I still don't Even

28:48

to like even to this day. I don't carry

28:50

a gun in the woods It's

28:53

not an ego thing. I've seen too

28:55

many people carry firearms shoot

28:57

animals that they think they're

29:01

getting attacked by that if

29:03

you did just use the calm head if It

29:06

wouldn't happen, you know kind of thing So

29:10

I'm not I don't claim

29:12

to be something. I'm not or anything. I

29:14

just never have I mean I'm holding the

29:16

bow in my hand So, you

29:18

know if I can't get something to stop

29:21

by me shooting it with an arrow You

29:23

know and I've had some close

29:26

calls, you know up in Alaska. I had a

29:28

close call I've had

29:30

one mountain lion Experience that was

29:33

kind of a weird thing. But you

29:36

know in all my years of doing this I've been doing

29:38

this For

29:41

over 30 years and I you know, I'm just

29:43

I've never put myself in a position to where

29:45

I felt like I need

29:47

to carry a firearm, so but

29:50

uh So

29:52

anyway, this thing kind of he's kind of

29:55

Shaking the water off of him. I guess you

29:57

would say not like a dog but You

30:00

know, do like one arm and then the other arm

30:03

and why he's doing this. I

30:06

am noticing that like this thing

30:08

is built like anything I've never

30:11

seen. Like the

30:13

forearms were massive. The, the hands

30:15

were massive. I mean,

30:18

the legs were like, like,

30:20

man, you know, looking back in a calm

30:22

area, I'm like, man, wish I had legs

30:24

like that. You know what I mean? This

30:27

thing was just for

30:29

a creature or whatever you want to call

30:31

it. I mean, this thing

30:34

was in peak physical condition. And,

30:37

um, so I'm sitting there watching

30:39

it and he's kind

30:41

of turned. I'm, I'm

30:44

sitting facing to the, to the

30:46

Northeast. That's

30:48

kind of where he's at, but he's

30:50

facing more North than East. And

30:53

he hasn't, I don't, he hasn't

30:55

seen me. At least I don't think he had. And

30:59

he turns and

31:02

when you're, when you're in a, when

31:04

you're in glass like that, 10 by

31:06

50 binoculars like that, when he turns

31:08

and looks up towards me, you think

31:10

he's looking nude through your soul. You

31:12

know, when in fact, he's probably

31:14

looking past me or he could have been looking

31:17

at me, I don't know, but

31:19

through the binoculars, it was like he was

31:21

looking through my soul, but

31:23

he didn't look, he didn't

31:25

look scary though. I

31:28

mean, he looked to me more

31:30

man-like than, you know, people describe

31:32

gorillas or whatever, and

31:35

we'll get back to Keith Foster. Cause

31:37

he did a drawing that was just

31:39

amazing. I mean, it was so spot

31:41

on. And

31:43

so I'm sitting here and this thing

31:46

doesn't appear to be a threat to

31:48

me. And so I kind of, you

31:50

know, I'm at a 12 and so now I'm like

31:52

a 10 and I'm thinking

31:54

strategy more than anything else. Like he becomes at

31:57

me. What are you going to do? that

32:00

kind of thing. But

32:02

I'm getting to watch him. And

32:05

he's just milling around this beaver pond.

32:08

And I watch him mess with his

32:10

face like he touched his face. I'm

32:13

watching his eyes blink. At

32:17

one time, he reached down to get a

32:19

clump of mud off his legs, which

32:22

was kind of different. And

32:25

so then he turns and

32:27

he walks north towards my camp. And

32:30

he's having to go up this hill. And

32:33

so he gets kind of

32:35

cross sides yelling, if you will. And

32:37

he gets about even with my tent.

32:40

And he squats down like he's using

32:42

the bathroom. And he's

32:45

looking right at my camp. And

32:47

he's just sitting there and he's watching my

32:49

tent. And so I've

32:52

already decided that once he crosses that

32:54

hill, I'm going to give it

32:56

about 10 minutes. If he doesn't come

32:58

back, I'm going to go down there and grab my

33:00

gear. And I'm getting out. I

33:03

mean, he was scared enough that I didn't want

33:05

to be in there by myself with him. I

33:08

don't care how many else was in there. Stay

33:11

tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with

33:13

Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back

33:15

after these messages. So

33:23

anyway, he sat there probably

33:25

about two or three minutes. And

33:28

he gets up and he turns and he goes

33:30

up and over the hill. And

33:33

so like I said, I waited 10 or 15

33:36

minutes and I crawled down off that rock that

33:38

I was on. And I

33:40

ran down to my camp and I quickly

33:42

packed it. And it took me about

33:44

five or six hours to get in there. And it took

33:46

me about three and a half to get out. So

33:49

I basically ran or

33:52

jogged all the way back to

33:54

the car or the truck. And

33:56

so yeah, I

33:58

mean, the whole. episode of

34:00

seeing this thing was

34:03

probably about 10 minutes long. And,

34:06

um, I, um, once I get

34:08

back to the vehicle, of course, coming

34:10

out of there, I was totally paranoid. Like,

34:12

is this thing following me? Like, you know,

34:14

what happens? He jumps out and blah, blah,

34:16

blah. And so, you know,

34:18

this total state of paranoia hiking

34:20

out of there and running and,

34:23

you know, just almost killing myself

34:25

to get out. And

34:27

so I get to the truck and immediately

34:29

I go to the ranch and,

34:32

and it's probably, gosh,

34:36

I don't know. It's probably around

34:38

lunchtime, maybe one o'clock. So

34:41

everybody's out hunting, like there's no

34:43

guides there. There's no clients there,

34:45

but the owner was there Gary Jordan. And,

34:49

um, I go into Gary's

34:52

office and he's like, man, did you

34:54

kill one? Did you come to get the horses? And I'm

34:56

like, no, I said, you know,

34:58

that thing that happened to us last year with

35:00

me and Bob and the cook, he goes, yeah,

35:02

I said, I saw this thing up close. He

35:05

goes, what are you talking about? I said, I watched

35:07

him for 10 minutes this morning. And

35:10

he's like, no, you didn't. He

35:12

goes, it was a bear. I said, Gary, I

35:15

have how many bears have I guided on?

35:17

I up to that point, I've killed probably

35:21

me personally had probably killed five bears, but

35:23

I got it on probably 25 or 30

35:25

by that time. So

35:28

I know what a bear is, you know? And

35:31

that's what I'm telling Gary. I'm like, that

35:33

was no bear, man. I'm

35:35

like, that I don't know what it is.

35:38

You know, and I, and like I said,

35:40

I've never researched Sasquatch

35:42

or Bigfoot. Didn't

35:44

have any knowledge of any of

35:46

that. And

35:49

so I didn't have anything like

35:51

nowadays you hear people go, Oh, it's a mix

35:53

between a man and an ape or a monkey

35:55

or something. I didn't have

35:57

that. I was like, it was.

36:00

was one of the best built

36:02

men, hairy people that,

36:04

and I came up with like Neanderthals

36:06

because that's what I think

36:08

of Neanderthal would look like. And

36:11

that's what I told Gary and Gary goes,

36:13

well, he goes, you're obviously shook and

36:15

I had an apartment down in Colorado Springs

36:18

at the time. And,

36:20

um, he goes, you need to go home

36:22

and spend a couple of days and come

36:24

on back up here Friday night and let's

36:26

get back on the saddle and start guiding

36:28

again. I'm like, okay. So

36:30

I go down there and I do

36:32

have a computer at the time and

36:35

I get on there and I Google Bigfoot

36:38

or Sasquatch and

36:41

I start seeing all this

36:43

stuff. And it's the first time of me seeing

36:45

the Patty film and

36:47

this thing looked a lot like Patty except

36:49

the male version and,

36:51

uh, cause it was a male. And,

36:54

um, so anyway, I've come

36:56

across the BLRO website, didn't know they even had

36:59

a thing like that and it

37:01

said, Hey, if you have a site or whatever,

37:04

please. So

37:07

I sat there for like two hours

37:10

typing and I would like, you know, like

37:12

I'm going into this too much information, not

37:14

enough information, you know, blah, blah, blah,

37:17

blah, whatever, and it's on

37:19

like a Wednesday or no,

37:22

it's not even that it's on like a Monday

37:25

or a Tuesday. And,

37:27

um, and so

37:29

I write my story and tell what happened,

37:32

you know, both accounts, the first one and

37:34

then this last one, and

37:37

I write on there, you know,

37:39

this happened yesterday and I submitted it

37:42

well, within like less

37:44

than an hour, I

37:46

get a call from Matt money maker. How

37:50

was that? I had no clue who

37:52

he was. Like he

37:55

goes, hi, I'm Matt money maker and you

37:57

know, president of BFR and boom. And

37:59

he goes, tell me about your

38:01

story and I'm like, okay, you know,

38:04

and he's like, can we, if

38:07

I get a guys out there, can, you know,

38:09

can we come look? And I'm like, I

38:11

said, well, I'm a full time guy. And I said, if

38:13

you got somebody out here, the only way I do that

38:16

is that they came in the next day or two. Well,

38:19

by George, that night

38:21

I get a phone call. And,

38:23

and I, my, for my

38:25

wife, I can't thank the name of these two

38:27

guys. One of

38:29

them's name was Jeff. And

38:32

maybe y'all can help me with this.

38:34

But he, and I don't

38:36

know if he was just telling me a

38:38

story or what, but he had said that

38:40

he, at one time he had set like

38:42

the highest altitude skydiving record or something. And

38:46

his name was Jeff something. I

38:49

took him in there and he

38:51

looked around and sure enough, we found

38:54

prints around that Beaver pond.

38:57

And up until a couple of years

39:00

ago, I actually had a copy of

39:02

that casting and or

39:04

had the original cast really and

39:06

through divorce and all that and moving.

39:09

I have no idea where it's at,

39:11

but so

39:13

anyway, so that

39:16

happened. And shortly after

39:18

that, man, I started

39:20

getting phone calls from all

39:22

kinds of people. And what

39:24

was one of the weirdest thing that happened to

39:26

me was I get a call from

39:28

this guy, like I didn't know him. And

39:31

he goes, Hey, is your address blah, blah, blah,

39:33

blah. And I'm going, yeah. He goes, good. At

39:35

four o'clock today, you're gonna receive a package. He

39:37

goes, I'll see you there at like five

39:40

o'clock. I'm like, who are you? He

39:42

goes, I got this coming to you. He goes, I

39:44

got to know if this is what you saw. And

39:47

it was the original copy of I

39:51

want to say Memorial Day footage where

39:53

the people were in the boat and

39:55

the Bigfoot runs across the side hill

39:57

and then jumps that big golly. It

40:01

was that footage and I'm going,

40:03

who are you? Like, where

40:05

did you, like, are you CIA or

40:07

FBI or something? You know, because

40:09

I've worked with those guys when I was, you

40:11

know, in the military. I'm like, this

40:14

is some CIA, FBI stuff

40:16

going on here. And

40:18

so he actually,

40:20

I told him, I said, man, I don't have a VCR. And

40:23

he brought a VCR with him. And we hooked it

40:26

up to my TV and watched

40:28

it. And I'm going, well,

40:30

the one I saw wasn't quite as big

40:32

as that. I mean, the one I saw

40:34

was probably like seven

40:36

foot maybe. I mean, he wouldn't know

40:38

it. It wasn't like 10, 12

40:41

foot or whatever, something like that.

40:44

He wasn't, I mean, seven foot is pretty big.

40:46

But I mean, this

40:48

dude, this thing I saw was

40:51

just jacked up. I mean, just

40:53

every part of his body was

40:55

just muscled up. And

40:58

so when this thing jumped that gully, I was

41:00

like, I could totally believe that. And

41:03

he goes, what do you mean? I said, the way these

41:05

things are built, I said,

41:08

I said, he could have probably jumped up

41:10

on that rock out come cropping and ate

41:12

me for breakfast that morning. And

41:16

just the way he was built. And

41:19

so after that, I really, I never

41:22

really had any more interaction. It

41:26

didn't really change the way I felt

41:28

in the woods. And

41:31

I think the reason being is that

41:33

for lack of a better word was

41:35

a peaceful encounter. You

41:37

know, I didn't feel like this thing was going to

41:39

eat me or tear me apart or any

41:42

of that. And

41:45

I was fascinated by how

41:48

it looked and all that. But,

41:50

you know, weeks and months

41:52

following that, I

41:54

kept thinking that, you know, that

41:57

thing probably watched me walk right by him.

42:00

because I followed that series of

42:02

beaver ponds going up

42:04

to that rock outcropper. And

42:06

so that kind of set me on edge

42:08

a little bit. But, you

42:11

know, I never had any ill

42:14

will or bad feelings

42:16

or, you know, anything like that

42:18

towards what I saw. And

42:21

so, you know, I carried on as

42:23

normal. You know, I still

42:25

guided, I still hunted. But

42:28

hoping that maybe I'd see another one someday,

42:30

you know, because it was just cool. So,

42:33

now I'm not going to tell you that

42:35

coming out of a mountain, you know, and

42:37

you're six miles from your vehicle and you're

42:39

on foot and it's dark, you

42:41

don't think about that because you do.

42:44

But, you know, as

42:46

far as ever being scared or, you know,

42:50

beyond being able to do

42:52

whatever, it just never happened

42:55

for me. So... Well,

42:57

at the end of the day, I mean, if they're

42:59

real, they were real before you saw them too. So

43:02

why should anything change? Right.

43:04

Can you describe how it moved its arms?

43:06

You said it shook itself dry when it

43:08

got out of the water. Yeah,

43:11

you know, so like when you get out of the shower, you know

43:13

how you might take, say, right

43:15

arm and you kind of brush

43:17

your left arm just to get the excess

43:19

water off? Yeah. Kind of like

43:21

that. Was it just to the arms or did it

43:23

do its all over the body too? He

43:25

kind of like from the shoulder to

43:27

probably the mid forearm, he kind of

43:29

did that. And then he

43:32

did it like where his belly would be, like

43:35

there and he like his thighs. And

43:38

then he went down and was

43:40

picking like, I assumed it was

43:42

a clump of dirt or mud or something since

43:44

he had been in that beaver pond and

43:47

like he was picking something off his leg,

43:49

like mud or something

43:51

like that. And so

43:54

that was when he got

43:56

out of the beaver pond there. How

43:58

About the eyes. You said you saw the eyes? So years

44:00

through the out in yeah,

44:03

I don't know if I.

44:05

Do. Just didn't send you

44:07

a copy or the a

44:10

photograph. math of the throwing

44:12

their own sheath is. No

44:14

I don't have that but I'm I'm going started

44:16

search for right now we're talking to a interest

44:18

is it's real. Or. That be great. Year.

44:21

So I mean this saying.

44:24

It looks. Ninety.

44:27

Eight percent human to me. On

44:30

that with the. Exception

44:33

of as a liar So I

44:35

mean it. a car had like

44:37

an. Arrest as a

44:39

crown headlights but it was is

44:41

more like and don't turn around

44:43

in his ah his nose was

44:46

almost like that of a person

44:48

or in a little slander against

44:50

is against his face but his

44:52

lips were. And. The

44:55

to ten use the word a

44:57

normal but I mean they they

44:59

were normal for what I was

45:01

lucky that I guess and the

45:04

as just looks that looks like

45:06

far as really a mean he

45:08

know that that there was anything

45:10

credit is now. Consider. Was

45:13

was there was no no, I

45:15

didn't see that good. But.

45:17

A sincere when it was blinking does

45:19

the whole for it would mooney bleak.

45:22

Soon. as a boy color

45:24

humor like. A versatile plague. very

45:27

bus composers he was like that that

45:29

up like his office would love to

45:31

report you notice a. Valid.

45:33

A me as far as having times

45:35

in a blink the whatever not really

45:37

but I do recall that he blames

45:39

and in the reason I do is

45:42

because he had likeness above his eyes

45:44

was like a brow lion kind of

45:46

saying but it wasn't like huge. But

45:48

when he did leave that brower with

45:50

news and he did see that. And

45:53

so does that. I know he was

45:56

blinken. Like. Fat Workers and

45:58

their dogs as. like the bony

46:00

brow was like, like a fat

46:03

deposit or something? Maybe.

46:05

I mean, you ever

46:07

seen those old guys that have like the unibrow

46:10

kind of, kind of look like that, except it

46:12

protruded a little bit. So, you know, I don't

46:15

know if that was just like a unibrow kind

46:17

of thing, or if that was a part

46:20

of his, you know, muscular makeup,

46:22

I'm not sure. But I

46:24

do know that when he blinked it, that whole

46:26

section moved. And, you know, I

46:28

didn't notice that he didn't have much of

46:30

a neck on him. How

46:32

was the body proportions like limb lengths in comparison,

46:34

like as human was like longer? His

46:37

legs and his arms weren't

46:39

proportional to his body. Like his arms were

46:41

longer than normal. Um,

46:43

I don't know that they came down to his

46:45

knees, but they definitely

46:48

hung lower than what a person's would.

46:51

But I can tell that

46:53

like his torso was the bigger part because

46:56

his legs were so massive, like

46:58

just so massive. And

47:01

so his legs were

47:03

smaller than the rest

47:05

of his body, I guess is the best way

47:07

to say that. I

47:09

don't know any way to describe that.

47:11

I guess, so I guess his torso

47:13

is from his waist up was bigger

47:15

or taller than from the waist

47:17

down. So I don't know if

47:19

that makes the arms look different or not. So

47:24

stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond

47:26

with Clifton Bobo. We'll be right back

47:28

after these messages. How

47:35

about the hands? Uh, big hands.

47:39

And I mean, full

47:41

on massive,

47:43

massive hands. Cause

47:46

I noticed his hand when he reached down to

47:48

pick whatever was on his leg off. Uh,

47:51

I noticed that his hand like was as

47:53

big as his leg. If that makes sense.

47:56

Like it was huge. Did it

47:58

seem proportional to the size of the body? or

48:00

is it bigger in proportion or smaller in

48:02

proportion? I think it was

48:04

proportional. I do think they

48:06

were probably proportional because I mean this thing,

48:10

I mean even making a reference to like,

48:13

I don't know, the

48:15

body, the actor. Arnold

48:19

Schwarzenegger? Yeah, thank you. I

48:21

mean as far as his

48:23

physicality was, he was all that and

48:25

then some. Like had,

48:28

you know, I couldn't

48:30

actually see the

48:32

six-pack abs but I mean

48:35

you could tell that it was

48:37

just built. I mean this

48:40

thing was just built to live there.

48:43

It was unreal. How

48:45

about hair length and coloration? So

48:47

he was between like, so

48:49

when he did that side heel, he

48:52

kind of got up into where the

48:54

sun was finally cresting over the mountain

48:56

a little bit. And

48:58

up until that point, he looked brown to me.

49:01

But then when he hit the sunlight

49:03

a little bit, it kind of almost

49:05

had like a reddish tint to it. So I

49:08

don't know if that was just the sun

49:10

reflecting off his brown hair. But

49:13

the hair was pretty proportional. I

49:16

mean, you know, it

49:18

wasn't like long, straggly, something

49:21

crazy like you see in some of these movies.

49:24

I mean it was pretty, I

49:28

don't want to use the word manicured or groomed.

49:32

But I mean, you know,

49:34

his face probably had maybe an

49:37

inch or half-inch hair and his

49:40

head probably the same. And

49:43

then around his neck had like

49:46

almost like a mane kind of like

49:48

his hair started getting longer in

49:51

his chest than his arms. And

49:54

so his hands didn't

49:57

have any hair on at all. especially

50:00

the palm of his hand, had

50:02

no hair at all. And

50:05

it was like, and I haven't

50:08

thought about this in forever, but I

50:10

remember it was like a baseball mitt is

50:12

what it looked like to me. What

50:15

color was the skin? Almost

50:18

like a grayish, black

50:20

color, more gray I think.

50:23

So it was like a weathered, I

50:25

remember it being like this weathered look. I've

50:28

heard reports of people who have spoken to

50:30

people actually who, like yourself, who had seen

50:32

them very close or through binoculars or something

50:34

like that. And they commented about how the

50:37

face look weathered. They didn't use the word

50:39

weathered just like you did. But

50:41

they also used things like wrinkled and

50:44

old leathery and

50:46

did they have any of that kind of characteristic to it?

50:49

Like in desperate need of moisturizer. Yeah,

50:52

no, because the one I saw

50:54

had like quite a

50:56

bit of hair on his face. The

50:58

only place void of hair was kind of

51:00

around his lips and his nose. And

51:03

then the rest of it was pretty

51:05

hairy. But it was weird

51:08

because it looked almost groomed. Like

51:10

if he'd gone to a barber and

51:13

had it shaved to a certain

51:15

length or something. But

51:19

what I looked at didn't appear to be old

51:21

at all. I

51:23

sit Matt in the picture. I

51:25

mean that's exactly what you're looking at

51:27

is exactly what I saw. Exactly.

51:31

I mean so if you look at that picture, I

51:34

mean I don't know if you could age

51:36

that or not. I mean 30s,

51:38

40s, I mean not old enough to be

51:40

like an old wizard man kind of thing.

51:44

And for the people listening who are members, I

51:46

guess we'll go ahead and put that on the

51:48

Patreon. Is that right Pruitt? Where's this

51:50

photo Pruitt? Yeah, I'll post

51:52

that there. And yeah, Bobo, I sent it to the group text. Oh,

51:55

text. Okay, I was looking at the email. Jeff,

51:57

you mentioned earlier what you were talking about.

52:00

When you first put your eyes on this

52:02

thing, you were actually looking for an elk

52:04

bugling. Um, was there, was

52:06

there an elk in the area or was the

52:08

thing making that noise? No,

52:10

there was elk, cause there was elk everywhere. There

52:12

must've been, yeah, there

52:14

must've been probably, and I

52:16

don't want to exaggerate, but at least

52:19

75 to a hundred elk in that

52:21

little Valley. Wow. Yeah.

52:24

So I can't say

52:26

that he was making that noise because

52:28

I'd heard all kinds of elk that

52:31

morning and actually had glassed up two

52:33

or three that were bugling. So I

52:36

was just up there trying to figure

52:38

out which one I was about to go

52:40

after. So, um, do you

52:42

have photographs of the original cast that you

52:44

mentioned? I don't, I

52:46

don't have any, but

52:49

you know, I think,

52:52

I think my sister might have one

52:55

because I moved back

52:57

to Nashville for a short stint

53:00

and I had it sitting on a

53:02

coffee table and she took

53:04

a picture with it. So I'll get with her

53:06

and see if she has it. And if it

53:08

does, I'll certainly afford it to you guys. But

53:12

I remember the dimensions of it. So

53:14

it was, it was probably

53:17

somewhere between 16 and 18 inches

53:19

long. And

53:22

it was the width of my

53:24

hand and then some, so probably

53:27

I'm guessing four or five

53:29

inches wide, maybe. You're the

53:31

perfect guy to ask. I mean,

53:33

bow hunters and your guys, you've

53:36

chopped up tons of animals. If

53:38

you think it's seven foot tall, how much did

53:40

it weigh? That's a great question.

53:44

So the way,

53:46

the way I would probably approach that

53:48

is we know Shaquille O'Neal is seven

53:51

two, right? And

53:54

Shaquille probably weighs 300, 305. something

54:00

like that maybe. I'm guessing

54:02

this thing was probably because

54:05

of how muscular

54:08

it was. Because, you

54:10

know, muscle weighs more than fat

54:12

anyway. I'm guessing if

54:14

I had to be accurate, probably

54:17

somewhere between 350 and 500. Yeah,

54:20

because Shaq's about 350. Yeah,

54:22

so then this thing probably had to be at least,

54:26

you know, 400 to 500 then. There's no

54:28

way it weighed 800 or 1000 pounds.

54:31

That'd be hard to say

54:34

for me. But I'm

54:37

guessing probably on the

54:39

high end, probably 500. After

54:42

the sighting and the real is a, after your

54:44

two sightings and your realization that like, oh, they

54:46

smoke, these things are actually out there. These things

54:48

are real. Looking

54:51

back at your previous guide experience and all the

54:53

time you spent in the mountains, do you think

54:55

you might have ever been close to one before

54:57

that? And you just didn't know because they weren't

54:59

on the radar? You know what, I

55:03

do think I have. And it's

55:05

only one or two

55:07

occasions because somebody else

55:09

had asked me that. So

55:12

when you're when you're hunting elk, elk

55:15

put out a smell that you can, if

55:17

there's, especially if there's a bunch of them

55:19

during the mating season, a

55:22

bull elk will urinate

55:24

on himself and he'll

55:26

get in what we call wallows, which is they

55:29

dig out a patch, you know, kind of

55:31

that has water and they'll make

55:33

mud out of it and they'll get in there and

55:35

they'll, they'll coat themselves in

55:37

this mud because an elk will spend

55:40

more time, and a lot of people

55:42

don't know this, but elk will spend

55:44

more time trying to stay cool than

55:46

he will anything else. And

55:48

so by taking himself with this mud and

55:50

all that, it helps him stay cool. And

55:53

so during the mating season, what an elk could

55:55

do, he'll get in there and he'll start wallowing

55:57

and doing all that. And while he's

55:59

doing doing that, he'll urinate in the

56:01

mud on himself. And

56:04

so when the rut occurs, it

56:07

usually goes on somewhere between

56:09

anywhere from 25 to 40 days

56:11

long. So

56:13

you're thinking that this thing is doing this, you

56:16

know, two, three, four times

56:18

a day. And so

56:20

that creates a smell. So

56:22

it gives you that musky smell.

56:25

And so a lot of times when you're hunting

56:27

and you're downwind of an elk, you can smell

56:30

them long before you ever see

56:32

them. And there

56:34

had been a couple times that

56:37

the stitch has come over us

56:40

and you're going, that's not like, man,

56:42

that is the grossest smelling elk I've

56:45

ever smelled, you know, in the

56:48

back of your mind going, you know, that don't

56:50

even smell like an elk. And

56:52

so, so not knowing 100%, you

56:54

know, if I had,

56:56

I would say probably just

56:58

because I think I've smelled them before.

57:01

So yeah, probably.

57:04

Did you talk about finding that gutted,

57:07

female elk, the cow elk that was

57:09

gutted that you didn't see the actual

57:11

animal, that you heard it? Yeah,

57:14

I was going to say like, there's some really cool

57:16

stuff that happened in the aftermath of all that. And

57:18

I think would be great for the members section that

57:20

involved some of those things and some tracks

57:22

and some sounds that I think you guys would love to

57:24

hear. And I know our members would too. All

57:27

right. Well, why don't we do that then? Why

57:29

don't we skedaddle over to the members section? Because

57:31

if there's follow up things and other unusual finds

57:33

and observations in the area, I'd like to hear

57:35

about those. And I'm sure our members would as

57:37

well. And of course, have any of our regular

57:39

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57:47

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57:55

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57:57

be a member go to the Bigfoot and beyond

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58:02

link and then it'll tell you everything you need to know. All

58:05

right folks, well thanks a lot to Jeff

58:07

Dyson for joining us. It's really important you know

58:09

that we have you know

58:11

qualified eyewitnesses. I mean, we're

58:13

talking about a guy that's one Outfit

58:16

of the Year for Colorado. I mean, so this

58:19

guy's an expert. So I appreciate

58:21

his applaud,

58:23

his candor and honesty and bravery to come

58:25

forward. So thank you Jeff. And

58:28

until next week y'all, keep it squashing. Questions

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