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1:28

Bergman and James Bobo Fay. For

1:58

a few hours for nothing. But I've

2:00

done that the last two or three weeks, I think. Yeah,

2:03

because people say, oh, you find stuff all the time. No, I

2:06

don't. I just don't tell you about what I don't. Been

2:09

out to the woods of two or three times in the

2:11

last two or three weeks, and averaging

2:13

about once a week or so. But

2:16

yeah, a fair amount of miles

2:18

under my boots over the

2:20

last month for very, very little to show. I

2:23

got a text from Bart like an hour

2:25

ago with a picture, with a

2:27

couple of pictures from a thermal. Looks

2:29

like, I mean, you can't tell what it is,

2:31

but I'm assuming it's a squash. No, don't assume

2:33

that. I got a text from Bart

2:35

a little while ago as well. And

2:38

those were, at least the picture I got, were

2:40

deer. Oh, OK. I thought since you

2:42

sent me a photo of a couple of thermal clips,

2:44

I mean, I couldn't see what the, I mean, you

2:46

can't tell what it is. I just thought you sent

2:49

them because they thought it was or something. No,

2:51

I got two pictures. It looks like it's from

2:53

this, maybe the same screen. I'm not sure. One's

2:55

a deer. No, they're not from this. No, maybe

2:57

they is. One's a deer. Actually, one is two

2:59

deer. And the other picture is a coyote, but

3:01

no big deal. Yeah,

3:04

he's been out in the woods. He dropped by. Actually,

3:06

that's something that's been going on. Did you have a

3:08

chance to chime in and to get on the Zoom

3:10

call for that ape-cannied event, Bobo? I

3:13

was for a while, but then I couldn't. My

3:16

audio wasn't working, or I couldn't hear anything. I was

3:19

just kind of watching for about a half hour. But

3:21

I could watch it later, right, on the site? No,

3:24

I don't think so. What site? Yours, the

3:27

Patreon section. Oh, well,

3:29

we haven't done anything with it yet. Are you a member

3:31

of the museum, Bobo? You

3:33

included it beyond the thing to see whatever

3:37

is on your weekly or

3:39

biweekly Patreon for the

3:42

videos and stuff. Oh,

3:44

did I? OK. I didn't know you were a member. I'll be

3:46

darned. I was. I don't know if I'm now. Yeah,

3:48

who knows? I don't know. It's kind of news to me, if you are.

3:52

But I don't know. I own the place. I don't know what the hell is

3:54

going on. I don't know. The

3:56

bosses. The higher up you go in

3:58

an organization, it's like in-person. proportional to

4:01

your ability to run it. Yeah,

4:03

I'd be lost without my team here at

4:06

the NABC. Yeah,

4:08

there's good folks doing good things, man. You know,

4:10

that's what I learned, man. You've always

4:12

known that the North American Bigfoot Center is not about

4:15

Cliff. It's not. People come in and say, oh my

4:17

God, I can't believe you work here. And I said,

4:19

well, I got to have a job, right? And

4:22

they come out and say, you're

4:24

in a couple places back there, but I thought that I'd see more

4:26

Finding Bigfoot stuff. And I said, well,

4:28

this isn't a Finding Bigfoot museum. It's a

4:30

Bigfoot museum. It's not about me. It's

4:33

not about the show, man. It's about the real

4:36

star of the action, Sasquatches. But

4:38

anyway, back to what I was thinking, but

4:41

not yet saying, is that we had the Ape

4:43

Canyon event this past weekend. We did it two

4:46

nights, Friday and Saturday. I had two nights. And

4:49

I wanted to do two nights because, first of all, I wanted

4:51

to invite a lot of dignitaries. I wanted to

4:53

invite Bigfoot royalty if I could. And sure enough, a

4:55

fair number of them showed up. It was pretty great.

4:58

But on top of that, I also knew

5:00

that from my last few experiences with events

5:03

here at the museum, we can

5:05

always, we can't really, you

5:07

know, fit a lot of people in that room. So

5:10

I wanted to do two nights and then didn't

5:12

even open it up to the public. Only

5:14

NABC members, only museum

5:17

members and podcast

5:19

members were

5:21

invited, essentially. So the

5:23

public wasn't invited. So if you're just Joe

5:25

Public out there or Jane Public, sorry, you

5:27

didn't get the invite. Only members

5:29

get invited to some things. And we had two

5:32

nights. It was absolutely cool. It was really, really

5:34

cool. There are some really

5:36

interesting things, even now happening with the Ape Canyon.

5:39

We showed all of those historic

5:41

photographs that surfaced in October. Right

5:45

now, only four of them are on display at

5:47

the NABC, but there's actually like eight or nine,

5:49

maybe, these things, maybe 10. We

5:51

showed every single one. We talked about them. We

5:53

identified the people in there. On

5:55

Friday, Jared and

5:57

Braden and Jacob, Mitch and

6:00

All of them have the same last name. The

6:03

great-grandchildren of one

6:05

of the miners, they showed up because they

6:08

rediscovered the cabin or not the cabin site,

6:10

the mine shaft, the mine site itself. They

6:13

were in attendance, which was fantastic. Oh, and by

6:15

the way, they agreed to come

6:17

on the podcast. So maybe when

6:19

it gets a little bit closer to the

6:21

actual 100-year anniversary of the event in July,

6:23

maybe we can have those guys on and

6:25

talk about their exploration

6:28

of Ape Canyon, what it means to

6:30

them, and all the trials and tribulations

6:32

that they went through to get to

6:34

the mine shaft. Maybe they'll agree. Maybe

6:36

we'll let them come on. Ah,

6:39

are you kidding? I would love

6:41

to have them agree. I

6:44

think at this point, it's like, yeah, could you please

6:46

come on? I mean, they're royalty. No, they're not. Oh,

6:49

dude. No, no. Did you discover the

6:51

Ape Canyon mine shaft? That doesn't

6:53

make you royalty. They're great,

6:55

great grandsons of one of the miners

6:58

who got attacked. I hate

7:00

that whole thing about like, I

7:02

can't stand it. I'm Irish, dude. We don't go in

7:04

for that royalty crap. I

7:07

suppose. I suppose. But these

7:09

dudes, man, they're heroes. How about that?

7:12

Are you happy with that term? I think they did

7:14

a good deed. I wouldn't call them heroes. Oh,

7:16

dude, they're heroes. Having been to

7:18

the cabin site, but never the mine, they're heroes. That was

7:21

cool. They found, I'm not discounted.

7:23

I think that's really cool. But

7:25

I wouldn't put them in hero category. I

7:28

would. I would. Haven't been

7:30

down there. They're heroes. That's because you're a nerd.

7:33

No, because I've been to the actual cabin site,

7:35

man. Risks my life to get down there. It's

7:38

insane. And they went another 75 feet or 100

7:40

feet below it. Those

7:43

guys are nuts. That's kind of

7:45

equipment they had. Ropes. And that's

7:47

it. They didn't strap in. You're allowed to.

7:50

There's no care beaners. There's none of that

7:52

stuff. I absolutely love when Bobo calls people nerds

7:54

and I also love when he gets offended at

7:57

being called a nerd. worlds.

8:00

It really is amazing. Continue. Well,

8:04

anyway, they showed up. So they were, and we

8:06

also had Neil Beck in the audience and on

8:08

the zoom call. Neil Beck, of course, is a

8:11

great nephew of Fred Beck. So

8:13

he was there and of course, Mark did a great

8:15

presentation. Bart Katina was in the crowd

8:17

Friday night. He watched the stuff course, of course,

8:19

one of our best friends. A

8:22

bunch of people from the Olympic project were

8:24

in attendance as well. It was just a

8:26

great night, man. Yeah, Bart sent me some pictures

8:28

of that. Shana and oh god,

8:31

Todd were there. Yeah, Shannon Todd were

8:33

there first night and the second night, Chris

8:35

and Rebecca were there. All

8:38

from the Olympic project. They're all great people. And

8:40

yeah, it was just a great night, a great

8:42

night all around. So glad it's

8:44

over, though. It's one of those things that like, I got to

8:46

get through this, it's gonna be great. But when it's overall, I

8:48

can breathe a little bit. So anyway, so yeah,

8:50

that's something. That's something we had a good time there.

8:53

Yeah, that night. I also had a

8:56

call in for a Girl Scout

8:58

troop in Colorado and I was getting them

9:00

fired up to go out and they wanted to hear how to

9:02

do a Bigfoot call. And I was like, Oh,

9:04

man, this is gonna be rough. And

9:07

I just did one and I blew

9:09

my vocal cords out. You

9:11

do sound a little scratchy. Yeah,

9:13

yeah, it hurt. Out

9:16

of practice. Use or lose it,

9:18

Bob. Yeah, I

9:20

don't do that many calls anymore. You know, I mean, I might

9:23

be a once in a while, but usually when I'm out

9:26

there, I just do some knocks and if I

9:28

do, I'll do one call each direction and

9:30

usually that's it. Yeah, I just

9:32

kind of let them know you're in the neighborhood or something. I

9:35

always go to the overworld, I get all fired up,

9:37

like, come on, answer me and I'll do another one.

9:39

I'm like, shut up, dude. Then I'll do another one

9:41

like 10 minutes later, 20 minutes later. Less is more.

9:44

Sometimes, but then you look at Money Maker and

9:46

he gets pretty agro about some stuff sometimes and

9:48

he'll do it and do it and do it

9:50

and sure enough, they eventually call back. That

9:52

does happen. Yeah, it does happen. So I like it's

9:55

hard to say which way to go sometimes, you know,

9:57

because I'm with you, like, you probably shouldn't do

9:59

a whole lot of those. But then he gets out

10:01

there and gets frustrated and keeps doing it and doing it and

10:04

then he gets a response Like I

10:06

was shaking my head going dude. You're blowing it

10:09

When I like first this is just one

10:11

time we're in, North Carolina And

10:14

there's that what we had our friends

10:16

and family come and bud and your brother came out Leo

10:19

and all them for the two are especially North

10:22

Carolina and I was like dude You're just like

10:24

he just pulls up like full, you know high

10:26

beams on pull it over the over the gorge

10:28

the call down Swam at

10:30

the doors talking real loud, you know yelling

10:32

back to another vehicle and he just goes

10:36

You know, I'm thinking like dude They

10:38

just saw you pull up and do a call like you're gonna

10:40

get a response and sure enough He gets a call back from

10:42

down in the canyon. I was like, oh my

10:45

god Like that eat a little crow and

10:47

was pretty shocked But yeah, it does work

10:49

sometimes with it, but my personal experience is

10:51

that less is more to just

10:53

just want to entice them Think

10:56

that you're possibly whether they you know, they're not sure

10:58

so they come to check you out. That's why

11:00

like knocks I think it's harder to tell Oh

11:03

for sure. Well, also I think what's

11:05

your what's what's what's been your experience Bobo as

11:08

far as vocalizations versus

11:11

knocks Day

11:13

versus night. I've gotten

11:16

I've gotten way more knocks in a

11:18

day than then audio That's for sure

11:20

like then vocalizations like by a huge

11:23

factor But you have gotten vocalizations

11:25

during the day, right? Yeah, I think

11:27

the last daylight vocals. I think that was with

11:29

you when we went to Georgia's

11:32

in Ohio all my daytime vocalizations

11:35

have just been impromptu like I didn't we didn't

11:37

do anything that we just heard it Yeah,

11:39

exactly But they do vocalize during the day

11:41

just kind of for whatever reason

11:43

they have I guess like I

11:45

don't get callbacks during the day But

11:48

I've heard both knocks and vocalizations during

11:50

the day Yeah, definitely

11:52

heard plenty and then I hear

11:54

those chirpy burn whistles coming

11:56

from where the knocks are on several

11:58

occasions Not anytime last several years,

12:01

but in the past that

12:03

happened. I'm still firmly convinced they've adapted

12:05

to, you know, after the

12:07

show came out, and everyone started tree banging and

12:10

howling and screaming out in the woods that I

12:12

think they've adjusted. Yeah, I thought

12:14

that I remember when the show first started,

12:16

you and I talking about this, that our

12:18

concern that they're gonna catch on or whatever,

12:20

and then some of the best spot, you know, Bluff

12:22

Creek or whatever, the places where everybody goes, right? They're

12:24

gonna catch on, and it's gonna be even harder to

12:27

to deal with them and get them and all that

12:29

sort of stuff. And at some point,

12:31

I think I just washed my hands of that and said, you know what,

12:34

good for them. If they catch on to our little

12:36

tricks and no big deal, then it's our life. They

12:38

have. Well, in some places and other places, I don't

12:40

think they have. Yeah, you get up in the Northwest,

12:43

you get up somewhere out in the Yukon and

12:45

float plane in somewhere, you're gonna

12:47

be you're gonna be the first time they've heard

12:50

that most likely from a human. And

12:52

really, I think there's fewer people out there doing it than

12:54

we thought there would be. Or is

12:56

this certainly not very consistent? You know, because at the

12:58

end of the day, a

13:01

big foot guy or gal out in the woods

13:03

doing a hoot and a hauler for a little

13:05

bit is really

13:07

almost indistinguishable to a Sasquatch,

13:09

I would think, then, you

13:12

know, a drunk

13:14

party in some ways. You

13:16

know, they might just write one off as the other

13:18

and then dismiss it until those people go away. And

13:21

then like resume normal operations. You

13:24

know, speaking of protecting Sasquatches in some sort of way, which

13:26

is kind of what we're doing. I got

13:29

something from Shane Corso just earlier in the day

13:31

today. I thought this is kind of a

13:33

neat thing to share with you. And it

13:35

apparently just happened today or recently. So

13:38

this is a resolution in

13:40

Mason County, Washington, declaring Mason County

13:42

a Sasquatch protection and refuge area.

13:44

So I'm going to read you

13:46

the language

13:48

here in this resolution. Whereas

13:51

legend, sightings, purported

13:53

recent findings, investigation and recognition

13:55

by various counties support the

13:58

notion that Sasquatch known

14:00

as Bigfoot Yeti or giant hairy

14:02

ape, may exist and

14:05

whereas if a creature exists,

14:08

it is not flourishing given

14:10

the very unusual event of being sighted

14:13

and it is likely an endangered species

14:15

and is subject to great harm and

14:17

extinction if it continues to be unprotected

14:20

and whereas Mason County

14:23

desires that its citizens recognize the

14:25

need to protect Sasquatch if it

14:27

does truly exist and

14:31

now therefore be it

14:33

resolved that the

14:35

board of county commissioners of Mason

14:37

County hereby declare Mason County as

14:40

a Sasquatch protection and refuge area

14:42

of which all citizens of the

14:44

county are asked to recognize and

14:47

honor dated this 23rd

14:49

day of April 2024. So it's from yesterday,

14:53

it's literally from yesterday that

14:56

these people in Mason County, it looks like Tim

14:58

Whitehead, Chief Deputy of the prosecuting

15:00

attorney, Mackenzie Smith, Clerk of the

15:03

board and the board of county

15:05

commissioners and stuff, Randy and

15:08

Kevin and Sharon, these commissioners got their act

15:10

together. It did something good for the Squatch

15:12

which is really really appropriate I think. I

15:14

think that's a third or fourth place in

15:16

Washington now that has some sort of written

15:19

language to this effect, maybe not a law

15:22

but a resolution. It's kind of

15:24

like you know like it's not a law

15:26

that big foot and beyond is probably the

15:28

best podcast in the world, it's just a

15:30

resolution. It's just a fact. It's

15:32

an immutable fact of the universe.

15:36

Do you guys remember those photographs, the cell phone

15:38

photographs from like 2008 from

15:40

Mason County? I do. Yep, yep.

15:43

It turns to be a big stump.

15:45

It looked like a stump to me because

15:47

the outer edge of it was sort

15:49

of a bright green hue, almost like

15:52

moss growing on a stump. Like when

15:54

I put it on funny bigfoot, we

15:56

did a whole episode. Oh yeah. So

15:58

I can't diss him. Well,

16:00

there's no doubt that Mason County is very

16:02

squishy. Oh, yeah. And

16:04

they got their act together to

16:07

make this resolution. That's kind of

16:09

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of protecting any animal species, let alone

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Sasquatches, is that you're protecting so much

18:05

land. And something that I

18:07

think Bigfootters may overlook sometimes is that if you

18:09

do the opposite, if you protect the

18:11

land, you're protecting Sasquatches. I'm a huge advocate

18:13

of public land because I like to go

18:15

on land that doesn't have houses and mini

18:17

malls and stuff on them, you know, and

18:19

plaid pantries and 7-Elevens. I don't want to

18:21

see that when I'm out in the woods.

18:24

I just love public land. And

18:26

so I'm a strong advocate

18:28

of protecting the land, no

18:31

matter what, because, you know,

18:33

mining and logging and all that stuff is of

18:35

course important, but it doesn't have to be everywhere,

18:37

you know, and the damage that some of these

18:39

industries do, particularly mining with all the chemicals leaching

18:42

out and stuff and polluting the groundwater, it does

18:44

a lot of damage to humans as well. But

18:47

I think as Bigfootters, if we can

18:49

advocate for good environment, keeping

18:51

things wild, keeping things roadless,

18:54

you know, or, you know,

18:56

just stop the exploitation of wild land. You're

18:58

actually doing kind of a lot to help

19:00

Sasquatches. And until these things are in fact

19:03

proven to be real animals, that's kind of

19:05

all we can do for them. It's

19:07

kind of all we can do, just to love

19:10

them to the best of our ability is protect the

19:12

land that they're on. And then everything else benefits from

19:14

it as well. Yeah, they don't need

19:17

us. I mean, just as

19:20

long as we just don't screw them up too.

19:22

But you know, I think they'll adapt to anything

19:25

really. Everything's short of paving, I

19:27

think. Right, right. I mean,

19:29

like, they go through like, in the places

19:32

they travel, because they're so, they

19:35

can walk so fast and cover so much ground

19:37

overnight, especially in the winter when it's dark for

19:39

like, so many hours a night. I think

19:42

they can travel like, you know, like cross

19:44

some big wide areas that are, you know,

19:46

pretty wide. I mean, there's not a lot

19:48

of houses, but just, you know, wide

19:51

open prairie type situations are

19:54

a good example. Oh, I think South Dakota was a

19:56

good example when we were on the Pine Ridge reservation,

19:58

right? Oh, yeah, yeah. But

20:00

even though there's still draws and

20:03

timber along the creeks and stuff, I

20:06

mean, I know green corridors, like animal connecting corridors

20:08

is the biggest thing for wildlife in general,

20:10

but I don't think squatches need that so much.

20:13

Maybe you're thinking of like the Mojave Riverbed. That's

20:16

a pretty desolate stretch and we found prints

20:18

there before. Yeah, yeah. If

20:21

you're smart, there's always somewhere to hide. Like

20:23

you're not going to like, like a lot of animals panic

20:25

and start jumping up and running. You know,

20:27

squatches will sit there and stay hidden until the bitter

20:29

end, you know? That brings to

20:32

mind that the sighting that I

20:34

investigated at the end of January where the guys saw it

20:36

and it ran off and they lost sight of it and

20:38

apparently just sat down to watch them for a while until

20:41

they went away. Yeah, that's

20:43

them. The masters

20:45

of impersonation and the masters

20:48

that patience, they'll out

20:50

wait you. They'll wait till you leave before they will.

20:53

Yeah, since you mentioned, you know, roadless areas,

20:55

it made me think about that Bob Marley

20:57

Marshall Wilderness Complex. Have either of you guys

20:59

ever done any field time out there? It's

21:01

in Montana. I think it's... Let me

21:03

pull up the stats here. It's a

21:06

million acres of wilderness and

21:09

between the acres of that wilderness and

21:11

then the connected like National Forest, Private

21:13

and BLM land that surrounds it, there's

21:15

a total roadless area there of 2.54

21:17

million acres. I

21:20

think it's the largest roadless area in the lower

21:22

48. It's the

21:24

most ecologically complete mountain wilderness in

21:26

the country. I know there's a

21:29

couple of Bigfoot groups that come up there, a couple of

21:31

guys I follow online sort of, you know, on and off,

21:33

but there's a... they go in there, they

21:35

rave about it. There's always stuff

21:37

going on. It looks pretty spectacular. And

21:40

from what I hear, it's just pretty

21:42

amazing. Well, it's close to

21:44

the Kootenai, the National Forest and there's a

21:46

couple of great footprints that

21:49

have been sent to me over the years from that

21:51

general area. So it looks like a fantastic area, of

21:53

course. You know, speaking of Montana,

21:58

we had Kelly Bertall, of course. the podcast

22:00

just a few weeks ago, right? He's going

22:02

to be one of the featured speakers

22:04

out at an event out in Montana. I'm

22:07

not going to be there or anything like that. So I'm not

22:09

plugging this for that reason. But if you

22:11

want to see Kelly speak, it's I guess

22:14

it's going to be in a place I'm

22:16

looking at it right now in Kalispell, Montana.

22:18

Yeah, it's called the Kalispell Bigfoot Town Hall.

22:20

It's on June 8, Saturday, June 8, that

22:22

was invited. But I'm actually going to be

22:24

out in the I think Marionville, Pennsylvania, that

22:26

same weekend for another like

22:29

a city festival sort of thing. I was invited

22:31

out there already said yes. So I'm going to

22:33

go out that direction. But Kelly Bertall is going

22:35

to be out there. And with

22:37

a handful of other people, Stephen Major,

22:39

a guy named Mitch Johnson, Brent Thomas,

22:42

a guy named Don Longbeard, and I

22:44

and there's a picture of him. He

22:46

does in fact have a long beard. And I

22:48

particularly like that name because again, I'm a you

22:50

called me a nerd earlier, Bobo. Yeah, I'm a

22:53

Tolkien nerd as well. The long

22:55

beards are a family of dwarves in J.R. Tolkien's

22:57

world. But I guess the most important thing going

22:59

on there is Kelly Bertall. You're more than a

23:01

token nerd. You're a real nerd. So yeah, but

23:03

Kelly Bertall

23:06

is going to be out there. So

23:08

that's an event out there. If you're looking for something

23:10

to do, June 8, in the

23:12

Montana area, that might be something that's right

23:15

up your alley here. And apparently it's free.

23:17

I've been above the bar, Bob Marshall wilderness,

23:19

I've been to the Flathead National Forest up

23:21

in there. A bunch of

23:23

listeners write in and they'll ask things, you know,

23:25

because you guys have traveled so much for finding

23:28

Bigfoot and they'll ask about which of the locations

23:30

was your favorite? Or what did you find the

23:32

squatchiest or the scariest? But maybe

23:34

it'd be interesting. Are there places that

23:36

are still on your bucket list in,

23:39

let's just say even the lower 48, if not the rest of

23:42

North America places that you haven't been yet that

23:44

you think would be prime habitat? Oh, endless.

23:47

Well, for me, the first thing

23:49

that comes to my mind is coastal BC, because I still

23:52

haven't done it. You said lower 48. Yeah,

23:54

I know. I know. So whatever you can tell me the

23:56

rules. I want to. You

24:00

once on the road, I'm

24:03

finding Bigfoot, you chastise me for

24:06

obeying the lines painted

24:08

in the road while I was driving. You said

24:10

you're going to let paint tell you what to

24:12

do? Yeah, you got to be smarter than the paint.

24:16

You're right. You're absolutely right, Cliff. No,

24:18

that would be my... Yeah, if money

24:20

was no object, like a charter, a big

24:22

yacht or whatever, or a fishing boat,

24:26

or just something like get around up

24:28

in the BC coastal areas, you can spend a lifetime

24:30

up there and not... It's

24:32

just insane how much stuff is up there. It

24:35

sounds like I'll be heading out there later this

24:37

year for a little film project, I guess. They

24:39

get to kind of tied up in this production

24:42

thing to do a documentary out in coastal BC. So I'll

24:44

finally get to go out there and check it out. But

24:47

yeah, I mean, between the big brown bears and stuff like that, I don't

24:49

think I would want to do it just

24:51

on my own and my lonesome, you know? The

24:54

key about doing it from a

24:56

bigger boat is you got a

24:58

little long scope going short

25:00

with that and you just sort of camping

25:02

up there and grizzly territory,

25:04

you're back on the boat, just

25:06

living the life. You're not going to

25:08

have too much encounters if you do that. Who

25:12

knows? I mean, Titmus saw him from the boat when he

25:14

was doing that same thing. Yeah, I mean,

25:16

like approach your camp and all that. But yeah,

25:18

you can anchor up so close up there. I've

25:20

been on the inside passage and I mean,

25:23

you're anchored in like little coves like that.

25:25

You know, you can see how people like

25:27

Robert Ali's books, there's those reports of

25:29

them, you know, in Alaska

25:32

and BC, like them climbing up on the boats that are

25:35

moored up, you know, drop an anchor right

25:37

there. They'll swim out and

25:39

climb aboard them. Didn't that happen

25:41

to Hancock when Titmus was on the

25:43

boat one time? You ever hear that story

25:45

he told? I think so. That sounds familiar.

25:47

Yeah, I think he did. I think he did say

25:49

that he didn't see it, but he heard it right.

25:52

Well, he heard something come out of the water

25:54

and then the entire boat like listed over to

25:56

the direction like something really heavy got on the

25:58

boat. Yeah, that's right. was a big wet, like

26:00

it was all wet there. I don't think

26:02

he saw it. I think he just they just

26:05

knew what it was. It was obvious what it was. Yeah,

26:07

I agree with you. I don't think he saw it either. But I

26:09

mean, but I mean, we've been to like

26:12

all these states with like, the

26:14

states like most of these states have some like,

26:16

there's like literally, like, I

26:18

mean, there's so many places in Oregon and

26:20

Northern California haven't been to yet that I

26:22

looked at the mouse a million times I've

26:24

driven by it or driven through it, but

26:26

haven't actually spent any time there on the

26:28

ground or swept or nothing. I mean, there's I

26:30

mean, there's so many places I want to check out. Yeah,

26:33

there's just endless, there's endless. I mean, there's

26:36

time you can never even if you're, if you

26:38

had all the funding, you had no commitments

26:41

to anything, you just could go on the road

26:43

365. Yeah, even

26:46

a lifetime I couldn't go all the places I wanted. I

26:49

was talking to Dave here at

26:51

the museum about that same thing, because he and

26:53

I when I went out on Monday, and I

26:55

met Dave out there, like I knew he's gonna be out there

26:57

somewhere. And we managed to run across each other out in the

26:59

woods, because I was a few hours later than him. And

27:02

we hiked down some roads that neither one of us

27:05

had been on before. And I

27:07

showed him this other area or whatever that

27:09

he wasn't aware of. And we're just in

27:12

conversation kept coming back to like, dude, we could

27:15

work this one spot, this like, five

27:17

by eight mile spot for the rest of

27:19

our lives and never see any like never

27:21

see it all never see it all and

27:23

it wouldn't matter anyway. Because we maybe

27:26

we see this road today. And then we

27:28

come back next weekend or something. Who knows what's walked

27:30

there in the meantime, we got to go back to

27:32

the same roads. It's just

27:34

it's just daunting, daunting.

27:38

And you get these people

27:40

who just don't know what's up saying like,

27:42

oh, there's no way something that size can

27:44

hide. So what are you

27:47

more on coming? These things aren't like these

27:49

things are Godzilla sized giants. You

27:51

know, these are like six to eight foot

27:53

tall things slinking around man, like of course

27:55

they can hide. Of course they

27:57

can hide like where would they hide they can't possibly

27:59

to be real. They could hide almost anywhere

28:01

is the answer to that one. That's

28:04

what that's what makes me want to just grab people

28:06

and shake them. Sensing them just go like,

28:08

there's plenty of places to hide your fools.

28:11

They don't need much. I'll tell you that. The places

28:14

they hide is insane. Like how right in front

28:16

of you, they'll point they hide

28:18

in plain sight a lot. And some people

28:20

interpret that as turning invisible. Yeah.

28:23

I mean, we had this discussion a couple

28:25

weeks about that. And I mean, I mean,

28:27

I, I think 99.9% of

28:30

all that stuff is, or it

28:32

could be 100%. But I think

28:35

I mean, I think that's, they're

28:37

just so frickin fast. They're, they're

28:39

so camoed, naturally camoed that they

28:42

and they're just, you know, good at holding still

28:45

and blending in. And I think that

28:47

accounts for almost all that stuff. But I still

28:49

trip on the ones where people said they thought

28:51

in daylight just blink out. You don't think

28:53

that's like user error? It could

28:55

be but the one guy, well,

28:57

yeah, I just hung out with him for the one

29:00

day. This fish biologist,

29:02

he was half clink

29:04

it. And he and

29:06

Doug Hartcheck was with me. We were

29:08

hanging out with the guy at the

29:10

Klamath. And he, he

29:13

swore, I mean, he told the story

29:15

like, he told it two, three times,

29:17

like, he's like, kept grilling them out. Like, why?

29:19

Why? He goes, he goes it walk, I was

29:21

walking on the beach looking down at the sand,

29:23

like looking, he didn't know what I was looking

29:26

for. But I was looking for something. I was

29:28

just walking along with the beach on, you know,

29:30

the beaches up there, like in who's

29:33

in the Prince Edward Islands. And he was out

29:35

there and he said it walked

29:37

into was walking and then it

29:40

just said in one

29:42

step, it was gone. It had 17 inch

29:44

footprints. He was tripping

29:46

on it. He was just like, Oh,

29:48

my God. And he thought

29:50

it had something to do with his grandma who had

29:53

just died or something possibly that he was like a

29:55

full scientist got it fully analytical, like skeptical of stuff.

29:57

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30:02

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30:04

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30:06

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earlier but we got distracted a bit, but

32:02

we have to give a shout out on

32:04

the podcast. So I was doing a documentary

32:06

shoot with some friends for something that will

32:08

hopefully be coming out in, I guess, July

32:10

or August. And

32:13

they were filming an interview outside with a

32:15

Cherokee woman who is sort of carrying

32:17

on the oral tradition, sort of a

32:19

heritage storyteller. And

32:22

they told me like, Oh, we needed to come outside.

32:24

We need to film a dialogue scene, a totally separate

32:26

scene. So as I was walking out, she

32:28

was having a conversation with the crew on the

32:30

porch and they were asking her, Hey, do you,

32:32

do you ever do any local Bigfoot events? And

32:34

she'd said, not really, but I went

32:36

to this event in towns and once and that

32:39

guy turtle man was there. And she

32:41

was like, but you know, the highlight was I told turtle

32:43

man, I was a big fan of Bobo and

32:45

turtle man called Bobo and put him on the phone

32:47

with me and it just made my whole day. And

32:50

I could see the crew like giving me looks. And so I

32:52

pulled out my phone and I called Bobo and

32:55

the whole time it was ringing. I was thinking just

32:57

like, please answer, please answer, please answer. I

32:59

thought I was missing that. I was like, I thought it was supposed to

33:01

be recording. So

33:03

yeah, Bobo answered. He's like, dude, am I late

33:06

for a pond? And I was like, no, but

33:08

I'm here with a very special fan slash friend

33:10

of yours. And so her name's Mariah. We have

33:12

to give a shout out to Mariah. She was

33:14

over the moon to speak with Bobo. And then

33:17

her daughter took a few pictures while

33:19

the conversation was happening and sent them to the crew

33:21

afterwards. And she was like, thank you guys so much.

33:24

You made my mom's whole day. Like she was over

33:26

the moon about it. So, so

33:28

Mariah, hopefully you hear this and Bobo, you can

33:31

give Mariah a shout out. She was very

33:33

happy to talk to you. Hello,

33:35

Mariah. Yeah. You got 20 just missing turtle

33:37

man, because I was going to call

33:40

his, uh, lady to see if they have

33:42

a computer yet that they can do an

33:44

interview from. Cause you know, he turtle man

33:46

is totally non-tech. So like we got

33:48

to get turtle man on the show. And I got, I

33:50

love that guy. He's so freaking awesome. Is

33:52

he still doing that YouTube page? Yeah. Okay.

33:55

Wow. Yeah. It's funny. He was pulling footprints that

33:57

looked pretty good to me. You know. I

34:00

mean, I haven't seen him since I was with

34:02

you like how many years ago four years ago

34:05

five years ago now or something Yeah, it's been

34:07

probably four years now. Yeah, but those photographs of

34:09

the footprint said he was pulling were really impressive

34:11

I thought they looked great and then

34:13

I find out oh he's working the same

34:15

spot that we worked when we're in that

34:17

area While we're filming finding Bigfoot where we

34:19

ran across Sasquatches. No wonder he's getting lucky

34:22

in there Yeah, turtle man's the

34:24

man. I mean he really is he really

34:26

is a great outdoorsman naturalist I mean he

34:28

knows his stuff dude like I went to

34:30

a Couple of

34:32

museums with them. I mean he's

34:34

like a geologist. I'm sure geologist. He knows all

34:37

the rocks and You

34:39

know, he's he's really The

34:43

old-school kind of naturalist, you know, he's not

34:45

like a some PhD in biology, but he

34:47

knows like medicinal plants He knows what's edible

34:50

like what roots are edible? I mean he's

34:52

he knows he knows how to track Sasquatches

34:54

like, you know food wise and if Suzanne

34:57

was a little braver. He'd probably have

34:59

a lot more footage because his cameraman

35:01

chickens out whenever they get close Well,

35:04

I've always thought that Ernie like eternal man was just

35:06

one of those people that you probably should just don't

35:09

tell him But somehow attach

35:12

a GoPro on him what

35:14

happens, you know one of those things Yeah,

35:16

like a shark or something Yeah,

35:20

so hey look at this hand. Well, my my

35:22

other hand is attaching a GoPro on your back.

35:24

You won't notice, right? I Love

35:28

it. I love to land. Yeah, he's nuts

35:30

man. I've met him in Manhattan for the first time

35:33

we were brought to New York for some network thing

35:35

for Animal Planet and Just

35:37

seeing him on the street in Manhattan like talk about

35:39

standing out He

35:41

did not fit in there and he's like yeah making

35:44

his noises and yelling at cars on the street

35:46

and stuff and Like when he meets

35:48

a fan he picks up people and spins them around

35:50

and so yeah, I I

35:54

Was so awesome. Yeah, he's

35:57

pretty great. He's pretty great and shut

35:59

off the deal and squirrel. I miss those guys. Those

36:01

guys are awesome too. Yeah. Well, of course, Neil's

36:03

passed now, you know. Yeah. So I'm

36:05

saying Neil and squirrel both passed on. Oh, I

36:08

didn't know squirrels gone. Yeah. So

36:10

hopefully, Turtle Man's got access to a good

36:12

computer. And he's free to get

36:14

us to get on with us because I'd love

36:16

to talk to him. And he's got

36:18

that story told on finding Bigfoot. He's,

36:20

he has an incredible

36:23

encounter Sasquatch sighting. And then it'd

36:25

be cool to hear all the stuff he's had lately,

36:27

especially his rock incident where he got the thing

36:29

through the rock and hit him in the chest and broke a

36:31

rib. He's a hard guy to get ahold of though,

36:34

because he doesn't have a phone. His, his

36:36

lady does. So yeah,

36:38

but he has a flip phone. He doesn't

36:41

charge it. He's

36:44

probably get footage because he's got a flip phone. Yeah,

36:47

he's the kind of guy that would do it actually. But

36:50

something would go wrong too, though. I

36:53

had the curse of the Sasquatch recently, but

36:55

what did you get your Garmin dash cam?

36:57

Yeah. Yeah, a lovely

36:59

listener and supporter of the podcast sent

37:02

us both dash cams when we're grateful.

37:04

And so I set it up in

37:07

our daily driver to test it and like dial in

37:09

the features the way that I wanted it to be.

37:11

And then on Wednesday, I had to get up early

37:14

and pack everything to drive out to Western North Carolina.

37:16

And so I did that. And I kept having this

37:18

nagging feeling that I was forgetting something. And I was

37:20

like, No, I went through like, my thermal,

37:22

my camera, everything, you know, it's all

37:25

there, all my gear on and

37:27

on and on. And then as I'm

37:29

driving into Western North Carolina and start to go

37:31

through the smokies, I was like, Here we go.

37:33

And then I realized, Oh, I left the dash

37:35

cam in the other car. And so I was

37:37

like, today's going to be the curse

37:39

of the Bigfoot. And one is going to cross the

37:41

road and no one's going to believe me because I

37:43

didn't so no Sasquatches cross the road, but I will

37:46

not make that mistake again. You know how it is

37:48

with a new piece of gear, you have to like

37:50

integrate it into your habits. And so unfortunately, I hadn't

37:52

done that. I was driving

37:55

my truck and the section thing holding

37:57

it to the windshield because there's hidden

37:59

you know, dirt, potholes and

38:01

stuff. And it bounced off my

38:03

god, man, like, you know, wouldn't stay up because it

38:05

was bouncing so hard. I was like, God,

38:07

now, like, I was certain I was gonna see

38:10

one, you know, like having run in

38:12

front of the truck since the I

38:14

just had it running and then it fell down the thing ran

38:16

in front of the truck was I'd be just, you know, par

38:19

for the course. Yeah, because you have the

38:21

big foot luck and the Bobo luck going for you or

38:23

against you. Yeah, it's not it's

38:25

not a winning combination. Sometimes

38:27

it is though, because you're the kind

38:29

of guy that'll find $5,000 at a gas station

38:31

and then lose it at the next gas station.

38:34

Or make some sweet bets and lose it. Yeah.

38:39

I'm so glad you're not you don't have a gambling addiction Bobo.

38:41

I'm not an addict. It's like, I got

38:44

killed. I just got killed on one

38:46

that who was Jesus was

38:48

a fight. Who was it? I can't remember. But

38:51

I want to my I want to my it

38:53

was UFC was UFC and I got

38:56

who was it? Oh, it was a

38:58

Max Holloway. All the

39:00

fights I went every single bet up until

39:02

the Holloway gachi fight. And I

39:04

put it all on gachi and then he got

39:06

knocked out. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, I have

39:09

no idea who you're talking about. But I would

39:11

have bet those gambling patterns. I would have bet

39:13

on those gambling patterns from you. Win

39:15

win win win win win. There's no way I

39:17

can lose. I've won every time I would put

39:20

everything in lose at all. Yeah,

39:22

I just broke even at the end basically. Okay,

39:25

well, yes, we have a good time then a nice

39:27

emotional roller coaster. It's not enjoyable.

39:32

You know, it hasn't been a long time since we've done

39:34

a Bobo story time. I wonder if there's like a particular

39:37

betting or gambling story that comes to

39:39

mind that would be an epic story

39:41

time. Yeah, what do you think Bobo there's something

39:43

in there? I can't remember all

39:45

the details ever. I had only half my money

39:49

for rent and bills and my

39:52

semester Class.

39:54

I Think it back then it was

39:56

490 bucks a semester to go to.

39:58

Cal State. I will say

40:01

the school is so cheap and I

40:03

don't I'll have the money. So

40:05

I his sex or reno and

40:07

gamble and middle their money back

40:09

and. Came. Home with the

40:11

I'm an avid. Enough money to cover all

40:14

my expenses for the semester, for classes in,

40:16

books in, and my first month's rent. I

40:19

won't call the person out because we don't need

40:21

people hit him up asking him to borrow cash.

40:23

but we do have a friend of the podcast

40:25

who has. Some. Very bizarre

40:27

cosmic luck when it comes

40:29

to gambling. Two. Hours with the

40:31

when he won thirteen hundred. Either I've seen

40:34

several bitter like over ten grand run.

40:36

My dude, al is that possible? Like

40:38

the universe is smiles upon you. Did

40:42

as other you watch and pull a

40:44

tip. We have like twenty or thirty

40:46

bucks to preserve slot machine. And

40:49

he started porn. They are down and like. Before.

40:52

As my route, thirty hundred bucks popped

40:54

up. As pie why he's good squatter

40:56

because he's got good luck. He has had a

40:58

citing his friend of the podcast and sell to

41:00

to to citing so that's a degree of luck.

41:02

I definitely don't and that's why don't gamble. A

41:06

success swayed A when. Saw

41:08

Kevin are smart as I have. A

41:13

baby quip can consult the list because I

41:15

know listeners and we do get messages about

41:17

like Winston expose story time and and his

41:19

group has been Epic List: Oh yep. Aragon

41:22

when he got to that list them. What?

41:26

About the hot yoga story be told that one

41:28

with all the a. Okay, the

41:30

next one's called turret in the driveway. That's.

41:33

When he won't tell. I know I've

41:35

been wanting to hear their stories are simple.

41:37

A hot though of our. I

41:40

have Kenny Loggins. Addendum: To.

41:42

We get so much mileage out of that

41:44

Kenny Loggins video in the screenshots people love

41:46

and then they're still new listeners who don't

41:48

know it's all have to reply to I'm

41:50

like, oh, go Listen to this episode of

41:52

the It's Episode eighty Six. And then

41:54

I'd post the link to dig the like no way

41:56

I mean somebody even a new wireless your was like.

41:59

Oh. That looks like us. The shot from like a

42:01

weird dance video and I was like actually. Ever

42:04

clearer and you can possibly

42:06

imagine a. The next one

42:08

the list is a great white weight

42:11

belt. The of us have a

42:13

different parts house. To That's all. Do

42:15

this over to that's Over Surfing Charles one time

42:17

for from. The. Show.

42:19

Now. While. So have another

42:22

one Cliffhanger: White shark. Their. sources

42:24

of us home told those ones.

42:27

Now we've got easier the shark stories, but

42:29

as a movie, one of those be awesome.

42:31

Way. Home as. Or

42:45

check. Hell. And

42:49

it's most storied. Have.

42:53

Any description of loonies or criminal activities being told

42:56

you're strictly for entertainment purposes and is in no

42:58

way to admission of guilt ridden true for that

43:00

matter, The. Sort of.

43:02

And summer of Ninety Two.

43:05

And. I was working down in

43:07

a shelter cove Lost Coast California.

43:10

And I was driving a tractor lodge. The

43:12

commercials is was ship was shuttered

43:15

so pretty much for those a

43:17

few others that would dare. the

43:19

massages travel charter lost both his

43:21

job. I'm there's a boat

43:23

loss of there's no like cradle the take

43:25

yada yada lost on the beach People wanted

43:27

in a backer first in the ocean so

43:30

we'd have a big old International Harvester tractor.

43:32

Like a big farm tracks. With that we. Will.

43:34

That on a ball hits and your loss of

43:36

like two hundred bucks a day and like know

43:39

driving down the raft of these pacman of the

43:41

water and hook I'm in. Dot. Man,

43:43

those are the plot Again. says.

43:45

Do That. I love to be at work to like

43:47

six. And. Was. A.

43:50

I was going down a good our get

43:52

my for abalone see get formulas data then.

43:55

I'd. Go in the morning before working at my

43:57

four hours. than i'm so as

43:59

nine seen 13 seconds the

44:01

booze which is kind of rough

44:03

for diving. That's that's pretty big swell for diving

44:05

like You know snorkel dogs.

44:07

You can't use tanks. It's just scoop. It's just

44:10

skin diving So I went

44:12

out and I borrowed this guy's weight belt Big

44:16

bud I borrowed his weight belt and As

44:19

a yeah, I'll possibly back this Because

44:22

he's all gonna be diving tomorrow. I want it back.

44:24

I said yeah, you know, I'll get it back to

44:26

you No worries because I forgot what happened in mind.

44:28

Mine wasn't around So I

44:30

had I had buds weight belts

44:32

on and I swam out

44:34

and there's this place We called the wall and it was right out

44:36

in front of like For the

44:38

lighthouse. I don't know if it's even still there, but the

44:40

lighthouse at shelter Cove No,

44:43

they put where they put the lighthouse now it was

44:46

before the lighthouse was there was out there We called

44:48

the wall. Yes, we're gonna cross this deep Channel and

44:50

the people are the guy that lived in the house right

44:53

there and seen big white sharks

44:55

in that channel with it because there's a there's

44:57

a fur shield colony and a

44:59

harbor seal colony and a sea

45:02

lion colony all in the along this point these

45:05

bluffs and you're diving up there's just

45:07

tons of sea life and there's a lot of

45:09

a lot of shark action there and so

45:12

I I Swam out

45:15

and the Sun wasn't up yet, but it was I had a little underwater

45:18

flashlight and you can kind of see

45:20

it was You know is murky

45:22

and the Sun was still behind the mountains to

45:24

the east Because the King

45:26

range is there the highest coastal peaks in the lower

45:28

48 So it

45:31

was it was probably it was about quarter

45:33

to six twenty to six and I swam

45:35

out Diving this spot I usually

45:37

get I could get all my four

45:39

hours and three dives or two dives because I'd usually

45:41

get two at once come up and

45:44

then You know get

45:46

cool. I could get you know, there should be more

45:48

than three dives get four hours It

45:50

was so thick out there wasn't a challenge at all. So

45:53

I dive down The day before

45:55

I've seen these huge just plates You

45:58

know that 12 inch abalone and they wedge back in

46:01

this crack. And I was like, I

46:03

gotta get that one. That was a huge one in there. So

46:05

I went down, dove down and found it. I'd

46:08

already been underwater for at least a minute

46:10

trying to find the crack. And

46:12

I got one out, I got two out, and

46:14

then I was trying to get the third one. And

46:18

right then, all the little

46:20

fish, because when you're prying abs off at the

46:22

ab bar, like

46:24

the people in other abilonias, they

46:26

have a, it's like a big, you

46:29

know, I have a mother of pearl shell. And

46:32

there's just one giant muscle that they call

46:34

the foot. And it's just a huge suction

46:36

pad. They're getting sucked. If they, because you

46:38

want to sneak up on them and let

46:40

them not know you're there. Because

46:42

once they know, like if you touch them, they just suck

46:45

down. And like, you know, like they're really

46:47

hard to get off. I would just go up and just jab

46:49

them real fast or just reach up with my hand and pull

46:51

them off really fast. But in this, so

46:53

they didn't have time to suck down. So

46:55

I was almost out of air. I was like, I gotta

46:57

get, I'm gonna get three on one dive. Awesome. So,

47:00

cause you know, I was trying to get as many as you can. And

47:02

right then, as I was working on the third one,

47:04

it's been about probably at this point, like two minutes

47:06

I've been under for a good two, two and a

47:08

half minutes. And also those

47:11

little fish that hang out for the little scraps that

47:13

pop off when you pop the ab off or little

47:15

chunks will tear off. They eat that. They,

47:18

boom, gone. All the hair

47:20

in my neck went up. This all happened in like

47:22

one second, two seconds. All the hair in my

47:24

neck went up. This presence,

47:26

this huge presence just behind me. I'm like,

47:28

oh my God. I

47:31

just knew, I just knew it was a shark. You can,

47:33

you can feel those things, man. And

47:36

I was like, uh oh. And it

47:38

kind of made it darker where I was because it was

47:40

kind of above me a little bit. Even though I was,

47:43

cause the way that the

47:46

reefs bend around out there,

47:48

I was kind of facing selfish. So

47:51

it wasn't between me and the sun, but it was, it was,

47:54

it was, it made it, I mean, it

47:56

definitely got darker as it was going by. Not

47:59

like pitch. But yeah, so I was like, oh

48:02

no. And

48:04

so I turned around super slow and

48:06

I'm holding my ab out, like it's a knife

48:08

or something, my ab iron. As

48:10

I turn around, I just

48:13

see this giant from, dude, it

48:15

was so big. It's definitely, it

48:17

would be, it was, everyone

48:19

agrees, all the commercial fishermen down there agree

48:22

that this thing is, and the Coast Guard

48:24

pilots from the helicopters, the

48:26

rescue choppers, they fly patrols every day up

48:28

and down the coastline, a couple times a

48:30

day. And they've

48:33

all said this things, it's been estimated between 24 and

48:35

27 feet long. We called him Charlie

48:37

Shark. He'd been there for at least at

48:39

that point 60 years. He was at least 60

48:41

years old at that time from

48:43

the old like Mario, the guy, Mario's Marina.

48:46

He was, he had first seen it

48:48

in the 30s, 1930s. And

48:51

this was in the 90s and it was still there. And

48:55

so I turn around and dude,

48:57

it has, it's fins weren't out like, when

49:01

they put their fins down, their pectoral fins,

49:04

they, that means they're kind of getting a little like,

49:06

that means like they're guarding their territory or, you

49:09

know, like they're warning other sharks.

49:12

And so I just look at them like, oh

49:14

my God, as I turn, I see the tail

49:16

was literally almost as tall as I was, like,

49:18

it was probably, it had to be

49:21

like a five foot tail from top to bottom. And it

49:23

was thick, I couldn't believe how thick it was. It was

49:25

probably like eight inches thick or something.

49:28

I mean, it was just massive. And then it

49:30

went into the body and the body was giant.

49:32

You hear it, it was literally

49:34

like, cause when you see

49:36

those great whites on, on one of their

49:38

own shores, like their swim bladders all collapsed. And like,

49:40

they're not, like, they're not made to be in, you

49:43

know, in gravity. They're supposed to be like in water,

49:45

zero gravity. It's like, they're not compressed at all. You

49:47

know, they're puffed up. So

49:49

I turn around, I just, I didn't, I didn't see

49:51

the head, but I saw the dorsal fin. So it

49:53

had probably about a three foot dorsal fin on it.

49:56

And then like the body had to be five foot.

50:00

Six, I mean, it had to be five foot from the

50:02

top of its back to the bottom of its belly, something

50:04

like that. And then the

50:06

pectoral fins are probably like four foot, something

50:08

like that. So I mean,

50:10

it was it was from top to bottom, it was like

50:13

over 11 foot, you know, I'd say

50:15

about 11 feet or something, 10 foot,

50:17

so it was I mean, it was giant, and just

50:19

the mass of the body. And there's

50:21

a, you know, they swim side to side, it just

50:25

slipped into the gloom. And I

50:27

just dropped those abs. And I

50:29

was totally got to err at this point, like I

50:31

could, because you want to stay

50:33

against the rocks and down low, you don't want to go to

50:35

the surface, they hit you when you go to the surface, because

50:37

I thought it was, and I could, you

50:40

can't tell, but I thought I

50:42

saw it coming back around, maybe like, my

50:45

mind, in my mind, that's what it was doing.

50:47

It was, you know, circling back to see, because

50:49

that's what they usually do is they'll cruise by,

50:51

they don't just rush in, they, they swim by

50:53

slow a few times, like, coming closer and closer

50:55

than they'll do in the vest, or the respiratory

50:57

hit usually fight. So I was

51:00

just like, damn, I was totally out of air. So

51:02

I just, I didn't even

51:04

wasn't even paying attention to swell or anything,

51:06

I started swimming the surface. And all of a

51:08

sudden, I was about a I was just I was just putting my

51:10

hand up to break the surface. And

51:12

I was facing the wall, facing east,

51:14

you know, going, going up, had my

51:17

back to the ocean. And

51:20

just like up to the top, I got

51:22

slammed from behind so hard to slam into

51:25

the rocks. Stay

51:28

tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

51:30

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51:32

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I got

53:40

slammed from behind so hard just slammed

53:43

into the rocks. Cut my

53:45

lip open, cracked my mask,

53:50

smashed my face. I mean,

53:52

it was like I got blasted. I was like, I just thought

53:54

I got hit by the shark. A

53:58

little turd came out and luckily I got of

54:00

the baton before I went back earlier

54:02

that morning. But a little bit of whatever

54:05

was in me came out right then because I

54:07

thought I was dead. But what happened

54:09

was I'd swam up into the wave

54:13

breaking like you know, 9 at 14,

54:15

that's like a 13, 14 foot face,

54:17

15 foot face or something. So it's

54:19

a pretty big wave. And that interval

54:22

that's got some power to it, just

54:24

slam your face first into the rocks. I

54:27

was just I thought I got hit by the shark and I scrambled

54:29

up on the because it went

54:31

it went to the rocks kept going

54:33

up about three, four feet out of the water. And

54:36

I scrambled up there. And I

54:38

crawled across some urchins got urchins in

54:40

my knees urchin spines. And

54:43

then I had to swim across the trough and call it the

54:45

trough to get into the to

54:47

get back into shore. And that's where

54:49

bad Billy earlier that year, early,

54:51

earlier that year, the year before

54:54

it was the year before bad Billy got

54:56

hit by that shark stumpy. She didn't

54:58

bite him, but she came up and started

55:01

nosing him around like banging him with

55:03

her snout. And she took him

55:05

and took her head and pectoral fin

55:07

and swam into the rock and

55:09

then rubbed her head up and down. And he

55:13

had a victory wetsuit on and scraped

55:15

all the lettering it went down the side of

55:18

the body. It said victory down the side. Because

55:20

their skins like sandpaper, she just rubbed them

55:22

up and down. She was rubbing it against

55:24

the rocks

55:27

and just swimming them around. But she never even bit him. She

55:29

just would she was holding her pectoral

55:31

fin out and just pushing them along and then

55:33

taking her side of her head and rubbing them

55:35

into the rocks for like a couple

55:37

minutes. And so like, she

55:41

was kind of famous in the very first shark weeks. She

55:44

was that shark off the Farallon's with the chopped off fin

55:46

to the tail. Yeah, that shark

55:48

used to come to shelter cub. We used to see

55:51

that shark when we were fishing diving. That's

55:53

the one that pushed Billy around. She was an 18 footer, like

55:56

4000 something pounds. So I So

56:00

I knew there was the big sharks went

56:02

in that channel, the trough. So

56:04

I was like, oh man, I was sitting there. So I sat

56:06

there for like three, probably three or four ways, bash me. I

56:08

was like, I was like, God, I have

56:11

to get out. I got to get out

56:13

of here in that weight belt because blood

56:15

was bigger than me. It was, um, it

56:17

was kind of too much weight for me already. It

56:19

was hard for me to get up to the surface. Not

56:21

hard, but I had, you know, definitely kicked my

56:24

wet seat was not in the buoyancy enough to counteract

56:26

the belt. And I was like,

56:28

ah, so I jumped back into swim across the truck. I'm

56:30

like, I can't just sit here and get pounded by surf

56:33

into the urchins. Like I'm going to get killed up here

56:35

anyways. So I jumped in and just pop

56:37

the belt off. Now swimming across as

56:39

I was about a third of the halfway across. I'm

56:41

like, Oh, just belt, slow me down. So

56:43

I just popped it off and

56:45

then you just kept going and went

56:48

to work and worked all day, whatever had to

56:50

work from six to hours

56:53

in the summer, we're six to eight. So it was

56:55

like 14 hour day. And then

56:57

bud was all mad at me. You know, he's like, Oh,

56:59

I told you I needed that for tomorrow. I was had

57:02

to go back out there, grab my flashlight. Cause you

57:04

know, it was getting dark and it wasn't dark

57:06

yet, but went out there and

57:08

had to go find his belt. And I can't

57:10

tell you how scared I was dude diving. And

57:12

there's guys on the bluff just watching. She

57:15

thought I was going to get hit, but

57:17

nothing happened. It was fine. But it was, when

57:21

you, when you think there's, when you know

57:23

they're around and they're big like that, because

57:25

even an investigatory bite, when they're that

57:27

big and you don't have a surfboard,

57:29

dude, for the, the fatality

57:31

rate for great white sharks attack attacks

57:34

in open water, it's a

57:36

hundred percent fatality rate. If

57:38

it's the water is 50 feet or depth

57:42

or more, it wasn't 50 right there, but

57:44

right, you know, maybe 50 yards out, it

57:46

was deeper than that. There is

57:48

no good bite from a great white shark. Well,

57:50

some aren't that bad. Guys got bit, not bad. Yeah.

57:53

But you don't want to get bit. You don't want to get bit

57:55

out there. No, those

57:57

are just investigatory. But when the dudes get.

58:00

That's when you get kills when

58:02

they have deep water to build up speed. In

58:05

California, I don't think there's been

58:07

any death in shallow water

58:09

at all from Great Weights. They

58:11

always just kind of come up and grab you, bump

58:13

you and nuzzle you around and chew

58:15

on you a little bit and then just

58:17

leave because they hit the fiberglass. Once

58:20

they hit fiberglass, they usually stop.

58:23

There's not usually with big whites. The

58:26

ones that bite repeatedly are the

58:28

smaller ones that are just switching over to marine mammals

58:31

when they switch from stingrays to

58:33

fish to marine mammals. Those

58:35

are the ones that they're less experienced. They're the ones more

58:38

likely to attack. Sometimes like, so

58:40

when you see those big sharks attack, it's usually

58:42

just one bite in the board. Yeah,

58:44

because they're not going after you. They're going after what

58:46

they think is a seal or something like that. Yeah.

58:49

But if you don't have a board and they bite you,

58:51

you're... Divers die

58:54

way more, like the percentage of divers that

58:56

die compared to surfers is... It's

58:58

not even close. It's... Diving is where you get killed.

59:00

Yeah, a big animal like that. They don't

59:02

get that big by being dumb. Right?

59:05

I mean,

59:08

I've never even seen a great white shark. I've spent a

59:10

fair amount of time in the water. Not like you commercially

59:12

or anything, but I'd love to see

59:14

one. But that was the thing about any big fish,

59:17

like whether it's a big yellowtail or grouper or whatever

59:19

that I might be fishing for. Is

59:21

that the bigger the fish, the harder they are to catch a

59:23

lot of times. Because they're smart. And

59:26

great whites would be no exception. I

59:29

think those things are quite intelligent. Oh,

59:31

they are. Yeah. I mean, I

59:33

don't know the... I haven't read the papers on it or anything,

59:35

but I would think that they'd

59:37

be quite smart from all that experience, living

59:39

decades and decades and doing what they do

59:42

and surviving. Yeah. We

59:44

were shrimping and we

59:46

were pretty far offshore. We were fishing deep.

59:50

And you know, this would be a cliff. It was

59:52

two knots of wind or less. And it was

59:55

one feet at seven seconds on the buoy. It

59:57

was as flat and calm as the ocean could

59:59

ever be. like just a

1:00:01

lake. So all the guys, all the

1:00:03

boats were not, it was probably about seven or eight

1:00:05

boats were side-tying. We do like

1:00:07

a poker tournament and the

1:00:10

captains all played cribbage and the crew usually

1:00:12

plays poker or whatever cards. And

1:00:14

it's kind of like a party, you know, like

1:00:16

you just type, you just type out there and

1:00:18

you jump boat to boat. And

1:00:21

so those guys are all tied up and my skipper was kind

1:00:23

of wild. And so we're

1:00:27

like, and we should, you know, we'll do is I'll grab

1:00:29

my surf, I have a couple surfboards on the boat. I'm

1:00:32

like, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll

1:00:34

just go by and I'll, I'll just,

1:00:36

because I had a bet with my skipper that

1:00:38

I would jump onto the back of a great white

1:00:40

if we pass them naked for 1000 bucks.

1:00:45

Because they usually would swim, they just they wouldn't swim

1:00:47

away a lot of times they'd stay on the surface

1:00:49

and if you pull up by and they would just

1:00:51

keep swimming, they wouldn't just instantly bail or anything. They

1:00:53

usually just keep doing what they're doing, generally.

1:00:55

So I was like, and I, everything

1:00:58

I'd seen about sharks, whites

1:01:00

was that they're skittish,

1:01:02

like, you know, if you somehow they just

1:01:05

take off so fast. I was

1:01:07

like, yeah, if I jump on his back, it's good.

1:01:09

It's just gonna swim away. It's not gonna attack me.

1:01:11

It's gonna nice climb on the boat. I was climbing

1:01:13

right back on the boat. No problem. Like,

1:01:15

to me, it was easy money. And then

1:01:18

my skipper threw in the part about being naked when I did it.

1:01:20

I was like, all right. So anyways,

1:01:23

so we were we were out there and they're all

1:01:25

tied up. We're coming up my skippers all, hey,

1:01:28

why don't we do a tow

1:01:30

you by and tow

1:01:32

tow by will you can surf by me

1:01:34

like whatever you call that like wake surf,

1:01:36

you know, let's take some crab rope and

1:01:39

we'll drag you along and you can surf the way I was

1:01:42

like, all right, let's do it. I was like, I

1:01:45

didn't want to put my wet suit and everything. So I was should

1:01:47

always do it naked man. So I jumped in naked, grab

1:01:49

my board. You know, I've never

1:01:51

feeling like, oh, because we're cloud river, this

1:01:53

cloud river mouth for the shark is shark

1:01:55

is placed in California, besides the Farallones and

1:01:59

like Maybe Farallon's

1:02:01

and then, oh dang, I can't believe I forgot

1:02:03

the name of it. North of Santa

1:02:05

Cruz, there's that little island off

1:02:07

there. An in Nuevo. So

1:02:10

it's probably right

1:02:12

up there with the sharkies, top three shark spots as

1:02:14

far as I'm concerned for the west coast. So

1:02:17

we're offshore like seven, eight miles. And

1:02:20

so I get on a... But we

1:02:22

weren't going fast enough really for me to get up and stand

1:02:25

up and ride because I ended

1:02:27

up just kind of getting on my knees and knee boarding.

1:02:30

My skippers yelling over the loudspeaker like, you

1:02:32

know, there are boats and other guys in

1:02:34

the boat, getting up and yelling and cheering

1:02:37

me and throwing shit at me, tossing

1:02:40

like squid or whatever bait

1:02:42

or whatever. I just stuff off the

1:02:44

deck like if there's any junk. They're just

1:02:46

throwing crap at me as you go by. I

1:02:48

was like, yeah, then I was trying...

1:02:50

Someone threw like a ball at me or something. I tried

1:02:53

to avoid it. I lost my... My

1:02:55

knees kept the board. I didn't let go of the

1:02:57

tow rope and I held on. I was just submarine

1:03:00

behind like just holding on like, you

1:03:02

know, just I don't know what I was thinking, but I held

1:03:05

on for like a hundred, 150 yards and then

1:03:07

I let go. I started swimming.

1:03:09

I got the worst feeling with you. I

1:03:11

had that shark vibe so hard. I was like,

1:03:13

it was literally like 150 foot of visibility out

1:03:16

there. I'm looking around nothing. I'm like, all right,

1:03:18

I'm just tripping over nothing. I'm just, okay, I'm

1:03:20

being weird. I swam back to my

1:03:22

board and then my

1:03:25

skipper didn't come back to pick me up. He just went to

1:03:27

the end of the line and tied up with one of those

1:03:29

guys. I had a paddle naked all the way back to where

1:03:31

they were, which was like several hundred yards, a couple

1:03:33

hundred yards. I kept getting that creeped

1:03:36

out feeling. Besides the fact that

1:03:38

everyone's yelling at me and throwing stuff. Then

1:03:40

we get on the boat and we had

1:03:42

a really... Our last tow of the day,

1:03:44

just the only tow during daylight hours for

1:03:46

shrimp is in all the bottom. These

1:03:48

flat fish come up and you don't want to

1:03:51

catch them. My skipper

1:03:53

was gnarly. He was lame

1:03:55

because he would do the last tow of the day.

1:03:57

He'd leave it down like an extra half hour. long

1:04:00

just to like try to catch an extra like

1:04:02

he would kill like 10,000 pounds like baby, you

1:04:05

know, how of it, you know,

1:04:07

flounder sold, you

1:04:09

know, Petroli and various

1:04:12

other fish and stuff. And for some reason that

1:04:15

day we caught a shit we caught a ton

1:04:17

of ratfish, you know ratfish are clipping to those

1:04:19

things. Yeah, sure do. Yeah, so we had

1:04:21

we had several thousand pounds. So as we have,

1:04:24

we had probably 20,000 pounds or something

1:04:26

on a dirty toad dumped on the deck like so we

1:04:28

had a bunch of work to do. So we went

1:04:31

and parted for a while, then we had to clean the decks off,

1:04:34

sort of showing you got snow shoulders thrown

1:04:36

off, just hours of

1:04:39

shoveling dead baby. It was it's

1:04:41

a tragedy as I hate to think

1:04:43

about it. But as we're doing

1:04:45

that, like, you know, we're chumming the water basically. And

1:04:48

I've been out of the water for like hour and a half

1:04:50

at that point, this 15 foot

1:04:54

male white shark comes up is 1415 foot probably

1:04:56

about 15. It was coming up

1:04:59

and we had all these ratfish are

1:05:01

throwing ratfish in front of it, you know, it

1:05:03

would snap out and whatever. And then

1:05:05

we started like messing with it like, you know,

1:05:08

throwing a dorsal or tail and and us

1:05:10

put it up. We had buoy hooks for

1:05:13

crab from crab season work on the on

1:05:15

the roof. So I got

1:05:17

a long buoy hook. I

1:05:19

put a ratfish on the end of that I put

1:05:21

it in front of the fish and you know, the

1:05:23

shark and try to mess with it, you

1:05:25

know, like just, you know, swimming back and forth. And there's

1:05:28

just cruising back and forth, back and forth. And

1:05:32

so I started like, you know, doing like messing with it

1:05:34

and then pretend like it was like it was gonna not

1:05:36

like, it's, I

1:05:39

can't really explain it right. But it showed

1:05:41

logic and planning like it, it

1:05:43

knew I was gonna, you know, dip

1:05:46

it in there, then put on the other side of its

1:05:48

head. And before I can even like I said, did that,

1:05:50

it actually snapped and turn like it knew it knew when

1:05:52

I was going to do it. It turned

1:05:54

around, nailed the buoy stick,

1:05:57

like so fast. But what really tripped me out was

1:06:00

I didn't realize how those things were almost

1:06:02

like snakes like how that thing do like

1:06:05

either you see that in the videos really Watching

1:06:08

sharpie got her see the shark turned that tight It

1:06:11

turned like if its body was like three and

1:06:13

a half four foot wide or whatever three foot

1:06:15

wide It turned around like at

1:06:17

a spatial like seven eight feet Just

1:06:20

like a you couldn't believe it

1:06:22

bent like that and how fast it was Then

1:06:25

it started really like they kind of started predicting where

1:06:27

we're what we're gonna do And it

1:06:29

would change it It would change its behavior like

1:06:32

like anticipating what we were gonna do from what we

1:06:34

just done the previous couple times like We're

1:06:36

gonna throw the fish or we're gonna try to you

1:06:38

know, touch it with the buoy stick, whatever It

1:06:41

was just kind of interesting, you know watching but I mean,

1:06:43

so I think that thing might have been around when

1:06:45

I was doing that swimming Caddling

1:06:47

around out there, but I was just gonna like how

1:06:49

long that would have been to get killed You

1:06:51

know get a bit you just get bit whatever

1:06:54

like but naked out there like maybe

1:06:56

the dumbest thing ever I do the dumbest shark

1:06:58

attack of all time. Oh, yes.

1:07:00

Yes and no, that's just cool That's

1:07:03

just a cool way to go if you have to go

1:07:05

anyway, I didn't have to go Yeah,

1:07:08

apparently not you're still here But you know if your

1:07:10

time is up a shark attack is a pretty good

1:07:12

way to go I imagine like dying right you dying

1:07:14

and then you go to the Afterlife and you hang

1:07:16

out at the bar on the other side and like

1:07:18

people are standing around like well, how'd you die? So

1:07:20

well, you don't have to see my how did you

1:07:23

die heart attack? How did you die shark

1:07:25

attack, baby? That's cool.

1:07:27

That's cool. You know, that's that's that's drinks on you

1:07:30

know You get free drinks all night

1:07:32

at the heaven bar after that one, right? I mean

1:07:35

if you went out like Lou born or something or

1:07:37

just took your whole chest out in one bite You're

1:07:39

dead literally half a second. That would be so bad

1:07:41

that dude. I don't know

1:07:43

then getting eaten alive with this That

1:07:47

always freaked me out. I got yeah, I was always I

1:07:49

was always afraid to get eaten alive Yeah,

1:07:51

I could see that you know for for a

1:07:53

while when in my early 20s or whatever I

1:07:55

was thinking you know what? I mean, I don't

1:07:57

want to go out in the hospital with tubes

1:08:00

all my orifices, you know,

1:08:02

that kind of thing. It's like, what's a cool way to die? It's

1:08:04

like, well shark attack, clearly shark attack, like

1:08:06

a big old shark. Because, you know, like Quintin

1:08:09

jaws or something like that, you know, great, great

1:08:11

death, great death. That's how he should have gone.

1:08:14

And then I noticed that I noticed at

1:08:16

the time I was working at fishermen's hardware at

1:08:18

Long Beach, a fishing tackle store. And

1:08:20

I noticed, my god, I'm spending an awful lot of

1:08:22

time on the water. Like I'd go out fishing on

1:08:24

the party boats, you know, two, three times a week,

1:08:26

a lot of times. I'm spending

1:08:29

an awful lot of time on the water to have

1:08:31

my preferred death be eaten by a big shark. So

1:08:35

I decided to change it to something that would

1:08:37

never happen in a million years, most ridiculous death

1:08:39

I can imagine, getting killed by

1:08:41

a Sasquatch. And now look at me. I

1:08:44

could imagine that. I have imagined

1:08:46

that. Not you, but me getting killed. I've

1:08:48

had plenty of daydreams about that.

1:08:50

Like, just sleeping in your

1:08:52

tent or something, just grabs your tent and

1:08:54

starts swinging out boulders or something. I don't

1:08:57

know. I've had plenty of dreams. Well,

1:09:00

Bubba, you know, one of the, you told us two

1:09:02

shark stories and at least twice, maybe more. You

1:09:05

mentioned feeling the shark, like sensing it

1:09:07

was there. And that reminds me so

1:09:10

strongly of Sasquatches, right? Because people can

1:09:12

sometimes know that they're being watched or

1:09:14

something beforehand. With Bigfoot's, I

1:09:16

think I attribute mostly the infrasound, but

1:09:18

it might just be the presence of the

1:09:20

animal, you know, that charismatic

1:09:23

sort of thing that large

1:09:25

animals have. Yeah, it's kind of

1:09:27

interesting that you mentioned that with sharks as well.

1:09:30

Because no one feels like, no one senses a black

1:09:32

widow, you know, or something

1:09:34

small. I think Bass desperately has

1:09:37

something to do that I think they're

1:09:39

intent, like their energy focused on you, like their

1:09:41

eyesight focused on you. But I just heard something

1:09:43

today about that thing of being watched

1:09:46

as total myth. Those scientific studies

1:09:48

have that. Oh, well, that

1:09:50

guy, what was his name? Sheldrake. He did

1:09:52

some stuff on that. I'm

1:09:55

not sure what his results were, but Rupert Sheldrake's

1:09:57

a pretty wacky guy. He's got some pretty crazy ideas,

1:09:59

but might be real, you know, he's

1:10:01

a outside the box sinker. And

1:10:03

I do enjoy those. But I think he did some

1:10:06

work on whether one can

1:10:08

tell they're being stared at or not.

1:10:10

And it seemed to air slightly on

1:10:12

the side of yes, if I

1:10:14

remember correctly, but I don't, I don't know that to be true. Like

1:10:17

5248 or something like that. Yeah, I guess

1:10:19

some minuscule amount like that. Yeah.

1:10:22

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