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2:15

we have no guess this

2:17

week because we are diving

2:19

into the second parts and

2:21

the conclusion to our Jersey

2:23

Devil deep dive. Ah before

2:25

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2:53

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2:58

yeah Toronto and is another. I'm

3:00

a tad back in the day

3:02

at home just a rare name

3:04

air. I was like Ted's red

3:06

tears. his hair was tab an

3:08

astronaut know. Dad had great hair

3:10

though. got you can be named

3:12

Tad without great hair faster. What's

3:14

the phenomenon? Where you like name your

3:16

baby in a pre determines what their

3:19

job will be like if they're moving

3:21

your daughter, candy or something with them,

3:23

yen and what as she because.stripper. Or.

3:28

Like the or something like there's

3:30

a name for it It's part

3:32

of pre determinism in my god

3:34

naming your baby Jeeves and they're

3:36

like gonna be a butler. That's

3:38

interesting for her to have failed.

3:40

mutter somebody Google this for me.

3:42

I gotta I got business. Interrogation

3:44

awareness, terrorists. It's very the so

3:46

I'll figure that out. Ah, Ok

3:48

well as I prepare to died

3:50

in for the second week on

3:52

the Jersey Devil, I thought to

3:54

myself, you know there are a

3:56

handful of a legit bigfoot photos.

3:58

out there. I wanted

4:00

to know. Has anyone ever claimed

4:03

to have captured the Jersey Devil?

4:05

Much cameras bryce your own. The

4:07

fields near an crumbs as well

4:09

as is. Now you're a monster

4:11

hunter in a Have you ever

4:13

come across any. In. In

4:16

prices a secret stash. Are there

4:18

any Jersey Devil videos? No, I

4:20

don't think so. And as of

4:22

fact, when we started this episode

4:25

I was is the image sort

4:27

of. Wasn't. There for the Jersey

4:29

Devil and you know it replaced It

4:31

was the one with the three little

4:33

clause hanging on to a tree. It's

4:35

not really clause but like the Dover

4:38

Demon. Oh yeah, I think that's what

4:40

replace the image in my mind for

4:42

what would be the Jersey Devil. But

4:44

the Jersey Devils? A kind mirror obviously

4:46

so know there's really no known pictures.

4:48

I don't think well of the Jersey

4:50

Devil. Guess what we're I did a

4:52

little digging and I found some know

4:54

really how whether they're real or not

4:56

will lead to you guys. Judge and

4:59

the listeners. Now this photo will be

5:01

up on our Instagram Epic for collectors

5:03

club and then the video will put

5:05

a link in the shown us You

5:07

can watch it. Yes there's. There's.

5:09

Video Furious. Wow Wow Wow. Let's

5:11

kick off the second part of

5:13

our deep dive into the Jersey

5:15

Jersey Devil with some Jersey Devil

5:17

related. Say.

5:25

Knows asterisk not so news.

5:28

One of the most widespread

5:30

Jersey Devil stories occurred almost

5:32

ten years ago back in

5:35

October of two thousand and

5:37

fifteen. Kelly Run Shades I'm

5:40

gonna say are always see

5:42

a see anyone want to

5:44

take a stab at this.

5:48

Case. He run chaotic A

5:50

failure on Casey. else goes

5:52

wrong. Casey a writer and

5:54

paranormal investigator it's nj.com Received

5:56

an email and her inbox

5:58

from A Little Egg. The

6:00

Harbor Township President Dave Black

6:02

Dave claim that while driving

6:04

home from his job as

6:06

a security officer in Atlantic

6:09

City, he spotted a four

6:11

legged winged creature launching itself

6:13

into the air. He

6:15

managed to snap a photo of the

6:17

entity on his cell phone which you

6:19

can see here. Ah and our listeners

6:22

I guess they can check out on

6:24

our in the girl who's ever hours

6:26

you boys has grown out. ah I

6:28

will. Widows rival Fixer are hilarious in

6:30

a coveted i would prefer my son

6:32

at a carnival A philosophical what is

6:35

your relatives that are busy adorable little

6:37

go with wings unicorn go with unicorn

6:39

go with when it's is clearly tiny

6:41

and kinda cute sort of thing of

6:43

this legged frown Been in. Sort of

6:46

a job as Silhouette is doesn't look

6:48

like it's in motion flying Been similar

6:50

things that can almost. Ah yeah yeah.

6:52

a place I would say. It's

6:55

very whimsical and I lie you are going

6:57

to bring my computer close to for I

6:59

hadn't wounds it's brown look it's clearly taken

7:02

against them to a tree line it looks

7:04

like someone talking on the into the air

7:06

and okay oh I see the go towards

7:08

the okay so I see the double go

7:10

more and you can see that the like

7:12

the ribbing of the i don't know what

7:14

the scientific term is called. certainly. Looks like

7:16

for the bat wings said are attached

7:18

to it, you know him. I'd be

7:20

in taxidermy. He could be placed onto

7:22

an image by the truth. But. I

7:24

don't know. Within the context of the

7:26

story that's interesting. Welder, Bryce, why don't

7:29

you play the role of Daves Black?

7:31

ah as he told the story to

7:33

run. Casey? Yep, would love to. So

7:35

I was just drive and pass the

7:37

golf course in Galloway en route nine

7:39

and had to shake my head few

7:42

times when I thought I saw Rama.

7:45

Rao. His email with the was a.

7:48

The. Check this out! It. Spread out

7:50

a leathery wings and flew off

7:52

over the golf course. When run

7:55

Casey asked point blank of the

7:57

photo was real and a follow

7:59

up. No black responded yes

8:01

I swear it's not photo

8:04

shopped or as states thing.

8:06

People said it's fake. Okay,

8:09

but it's not. I'm honestly

8:11

just looking for an explanation

8:13

for what I saw. Now

8:15

that same week, another New

8:17

Jersey resident Emily Martin sent

8:19

a video into the website

8:21

claiming she caught a video

8:23

of the Jersey Devil lying

8:25

in Leeds Point. Now you

8:28

guys remember Leads Point was

8:30

be home turf of the

8:32

Jersey Devil that see Plantation.

8:34

That's the the little mention

8:36

that day new leads founded.

8:38

In New Jersey friends had an earlier

8:41

it's and yeah this was like V

8:43

Home spot of ten leads. Emily claims

8:45

she was there see what? Saw something

8:47

flying? She filmed it. No other explanation

8:50

was provided. Here's the video

8:52

which all including the links in her

8:54

sir notes Guy sang the sound same

8:56

weaknesses October two thousand and fifteen to

8:59

than we think about this very brief

9:01

Maria Quickness A Quickie. Jersey.

9:04

Devil Never Halloween prank now we're

9:06

looking at sort of that delivers

9:08

on I gotta come in that.

9:12

Mode when early to that will retreat

9:14

certain water Little ice age and we

9:16

run of camera. Or you

9:19

own the whole the jersey but it's

9:21

at about five seconds. Of. The

9:23

Jersey Devil is just a good writer real

9:25

quick. I. Missed and

9:27

now watch again him on

9:29

Goliaths right at the seven

9:31

seconds, seven second mark. It

9:33

looks like a lotta. Soul

9:37

is now There is a movement to

9:39

the saying oh I know so I

9:41

heard it's flap in and the body

9:43

is moving but in and look towards

9:45

that you guys like a little toy

9:47

ever figure will to subvert the there

9:49

though area of i better get involved

9:51

a the way that that wouldn't let

9:53

that really it though. I mean whatever

9:55

The Jersey Devil. My second child recently got

9:57

his. It's as if along with a guy. Oh

10:01

no. A young and it's a

10:03

fun with video though. A So

10:05

in terms of Jersey Devil news

10:07

stories, this is the latest thing

10:09

that I can find. Okay, this

10:11

is almost ten years olds. Wow,

10:13

we've got a photo. who's got

10:15

a video coming in and around

10:17

the same week? Not a lot

10:19

of explanation given to the video

10:21

guys have so get braces freeze

10:23

for integrate freezer a buddy The

10:25

bullshit or believe it I mean

10:27

Aldous Huxley? What? I believe Emily

10:29

Martin is a legend as well.

10:32

Done. Well done, Emily. Price

10:35

at halftime are out of

10:37

the last on a scale

10:39

from a mine too mine

10:41

russian girl would you give

10:43

this Jersey Devil video. Will.

10:46

You know a fucking I gonna lean

10:48

into this because of the now get

10:50

were saying to people, saw this and

10:52

they're both putting forward evidence in the

10:54

same week. Now do these two people

10:56

know each other Or harm is though

10:58

now named all is it is it

11:00

is. Are they like, didn't get together?

11:02

decide to pull a Halloween prank As

11:04

the You Tube videos I am sounded,

11:06

they seem like earnest individuals to come

11:09

forward. and it's like, why would they

11:11

do that and bring forward such sort

11:13

of ludicrous evidence? It's almost as if

11:15

this ego of. Hand me. Almost ten

11:17

years later we're talking about of them

11:19

fallen apart and one minute. and at

11:21

Rider. I regret nothing on the Jersey Devil

11:23

out there. So I'm literally guy New

11:25

Jersey Devils? I don't. I like a

11:27

New Jersey Devils advocate. I love this

11:29

as a surprise you would be a

11:31

brilliant proof did Devil's advocate like you

11:33

should be. You are really noom. Yeah,

11:35

I know it's the will. What I see

11:37

on this video looks to me like.

11:40

Okay, A stuffed are getting some stuffed

11:42

animal vibes just from the legs and this

11:44

and is out that the nose in the

11:47

ear lot of Lasseter enemies and my first

11:49

gut instinct was like oh I remember these

11:51

toys. These were early flight toys. read it

11:53

like flap their wings really quick and they

11:55

could like. You. Know you'd stay

11:57

sooner. My no more. Yeah, this is America.

12:00

There's a great video that you see on

12:02

Instagram of a little girl opening up her

12:04

ferry toy and sea ray supposed to rip

12:06

cord and it flies into the fireplace. Recessive.

12:09

Ad blockers drove revises running for

12:12

fucking apart. One button we trade

12:14

in our living room. One button

12:16

is. Rushing to

12:18

a certain so far as the we

12:20

were in the middle of a bar

12:23

focus will to the only way out

12:25

of the we've just pro other these

12:27

stories are in control of yeah yeah

12:29

V. Furthering that this is the real

12:31

the citizens of Adam I don't know about

12:34

it, he make me break. It is an

12:36

oddity the two people would would come forward

12:38

and I'm wondering is a bit so that

12:41

so so I'm curious about this but. Go.

12:43

On I love this lead story and it's

12:45

leading up to me Still, this New Jersey

12:47

Devil exists as an occult something. They're not

12:50

acting happening. Okay, Aren't Riley? where's

12:52

your head at? are those are silly fund

12:54

videos and photos courtesy. I mean, I'm going

12:56

to the Game or Habits units. For the

12:58

record, I love, I'm and good job. Yes!

13:00

Okay, we're going to take a break when

13:03

we come back. We're going to delve into

13:05

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15:59

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16:01

Eric. I'm an arrogant termed as

16:03

had. Their. The era of

16:05

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16:07

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16:10

a jetski yet while also. You're.

16:13

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16:15

either a dentist or like a news

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16:19

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16:21

great teeth. Name them back to dental

16:23

school for a long sort of rambling

16:25

period and then realized I was the

16:27

lies that it always called know I

16:29

like it Tab Daddy daddy their nodding

16:31

his head or city of goes for

16:33

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16:35

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16:37

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16:39

or let us know where Job yeah.

16:42

Aura carry on. In Part One

16:44

of the Jersey Devil, we learned

16:47

about the Quaker. Daniel leads a

16:49

successful almanac publisher and parts I'm

16:51

missing from the Colonies to in

16:53

the early Eighteenth century, wage political

16:55

war against his former church, the

16:57

Society of Friends for gathering up

16:59

a distance of his seminal esoteric

17:01

work the Temple of Wisdom for

17:03

the Little World and Burning Every

17:05

Cop. After Daniel leaves died, his

17:07

son Titan continued publishing the Leads

17:10

Almanac for by that point the

17:12

Leads family. Whose family crest was

17:14

adored. The Monsters Packagers was heavily

17:16

labeled as demonic around New Jersey

17:18

during a period of time when

17:21

witches and devils for a hot

17:23

political topic in the New World.

17:25

To make matters worse for Titan,

17:27

he became a target of Benjamin

17:30

Franklin, who told leads in the

17:32

pages of his competing publications poor

17:34

Richard's Almanac around the time Titan

17:36

passed away and Seventeen Thirty Eight

17:39

a legend about one mother leads

17:41

a which married two. Months act

17:43

in Leeds who gave birth to

17:45

a monstrous flying creature called the

17:47

Leads Devil formed forever connection right?

17:50

Her For Thirteen Thirteenth and some

17:52

stories it's or thirteenth child and

17:54

other stories it's her first race

17:56

or an and. But

17:59

this story from. Connect to the leaves

18:01

family to the dna of New Jersey's

18:03

most popular corrected the Jersey Devil. Now

18:06

you took a look at the little

18:08

temple. Of wisdom for

18:10

the little world over there. He there is a

18:12

surviving copy. yeah and it looks. I went to

18:14

the Internet archive in this looks like to be

18:16

the copy. Thank god they managed to crisis. Can

18:18

we get this tag? A lot of that I

18:20

have. You had to see what I'm interested that

18:22

invented what in there you know And I'm so

18:24

glad they're able to save a copy because now

18:26

you can read of for free on the Internet.

18:29

One thing that Titan leads did. In.

18:31

The leads almanac that we didn't mention last

18:33

episode. And you

18:35

should look up. This image is Weldon.

18:37

There's a thing called the Zodiac Man.

18:40

And. A kind of looks like a would cut

18:42

sort of version of the true V and Man

18:44

Who I Love that but with like. Zodiac.

18:47

Symbols pointing to different parts of the

18:49

bodies and that would always be published

18:51

on like the back cover of the

18:53

almanac. such for leads almanac on I

18:55

just do zodiac man lead an almanac

18:57

but that was one of the things

18:59

that like the Quakers really didn't like.

19:01

They didn't like the Styria earlier schools

19:04

can really cool as a zodiac man

19:06

he's like a recurring ah I'm I

19:08

love these would go Mercy who led

19:10

said that played out you know showed

19:12

up in In and. Pagan

19:15

culture and in. Esoteric culture

19:17

and Astrology over the years.

19:21

In. The conclusion of our deep dive into

19:23

the Jersey Devil would say well as

19:25

wasn't you guys a simmer. Peons the

19:27

penis capella air in a com mother's

19:29

I think that's me. I'm in that

19:32

third eye zone. Riley

19:34

Which one? Are you a Capricorn? The

19:36

head oh is nice. I'm a libra.

19:38

Okay, what is that? But I'm on

19:40

the can be wriggle scales. Yeah.

19:43

I guess my luggage baby. how are

19:45

we going to get slamming? I was.

19:47

ah, make sense or ideas. In

19:52

the conclusion of our deep dive

19:54

into the into the Jersey Devil

19:56

will take a look at how

19:58

the story of the monster picks

20:00

up about a century later and

20:02

made it's way into mass culture

20:04

and will take a peek at

20:06

some of the eyewitness accounts of

20:08

people who believe they've encountered the

20:10

real Jersey Devil on his stomping

20:12

grounds. The Pine barrens, oil the

20:14

lamps, polish your beer steins. Belly

20:16

up to the Tavern Bar for

20:18

the Jersey Devil part to the

20:21

Monster Unleashed. That was a very

20:23

good previously on the Jersey Devil

20:25

mysticism and the sensory Following the

20:27

death of Titan leads America declared

20:29

independence from. Great. Britain and wage

20:31

the Revolutionary war against the Crown.

20:34

Spoiler. Alert we won mentioning

20:36

Franklin went from almanac troll to

20:38

founding father, and Daniel leads his

20:40

grandchildren and great grandchildren moved on

20:42

with their lies with each generation

20:45

moving further away from their patriarchs

20:47

devilish reputation As the Scandal the

20:49

Wounds tide was once part of

20:51

the leaves name was mostly forgotten

20:53

or ignored. my history spinning the

20:56

family having playing influential roles and

20:58

rubbing shoulders with Shines in the

21:00

early years of In the Nation

21:02

member to catch of those. Listeners

21:04

Ben Franklin random out with his

21:07

own all Max Rise Galderma. Oh

21:09

here's a fun fact. Daniel leads

21:11

is great grandson Jeremiah leads fought

21:13

in the Revolutionary War and then

21:15

he became the first settler in

21:18

the area that would become Atlantic

21:20

City. Quo And they cool Jeremiah

21:22

his son shock he leave great

21:24

may have a great name became

21:26

the first the mirror of Atlantic

21:29

City craven that you want to

21:31

argue about. how nominative determine a

21:33

yeah right strategy. Li Shockey Leisure

21:35

on arrive. Where are you

21:38

are gonna be a mobster?

21:40

You have. a

21:44

grandpa may be almanac. And

21:46

they call them the Zodiac Nobody

21:49

because one guy sort of the

21:51

zodiac killer is actually descendants of

21:53

one of the leaves of Daniel.

21:55

We're solving them for superior unreal

21:58

per with a new name. In

22:00

a New lands to explore and

22:02

the young Usa was rife with

22:05

rumors of monsters a living in

22:07

the wilderness even Thomas Jefferson and

22:10

Benjamin Franklin imagine the West, that

22:12

seemingly new and confounding creatures. There

22:14

were also rumors that a race

22:17

of Chinese once popular in North

22:19

America, a theory that still prevails

22:22

and certain corners of crypto zoology

22:24

today. And seventeen or five when

22:26

January's was still alive a farmer

22:29

found a large. To of digging

22:31

on his property and clavier act New

22:33

York the to was then sent to

22:35

Lord Cornbury. He now your remember war

22:37

contrary to despise governor of New Jersey

22:39

calgary forget on the last episode the

22:41

people accessing was a car off for

22:43

us are. Scores

22:46

way, the Governor said a

22:48

specimen back to England for

22:50

study. Further, Digging on

22:53

the property. Turn of Large bones

22:55

had some sad looked like the

22:57

skeletal remains of an African elephant

22:59

reno were talking about here right

23:01

boys. The Mammoth That's Rights Act

23:04

mammoth phone started turning up around

23:06

this time in Europe and in

23:08

the continental United States and one

23:11

of the first like mammoth skeletons

23:13

found in the Us was in

23:15

New Jersey or was a New

23:17

York and intellect and more mammoth

23:20

bones were found in Seventeen Thirty

23:22

Nine in Kentucky. And in

23:24

New Bird New York in Seventeen

23:27

Eighty Three adding to the belief

23:29

that monsters did in fact a

23:31

populate the New World that's how

23:34

and that was a below testament

23:36

might have once roamed these unexplored

23:38

last mile. every give you recall.

23:41

over on the other side. About

23:44

one hundred years after this. hundreds

23:47

of years after this, this idea

23:49

of the biblical giants and naphtha

23:51

limb road being a real thing

23:53

was still popular. That's when V.

23:56

Cardiff Giant hoax was created. We

23:58

talked about a surprise. Where

24:00

where I can't room that? the

24:03

guy's name escapes me basically faked

24:05

a giant skeleton to make fun

24:07

of into trawl evangelical christians who

24:09

were believing that there were actual

24:12

bibles from the old. Our giants

24:14

in the Old Testament. did they

24:16

were finding out about, right? Yeah,

24:19

I mean to this day that

24:21

persists. I know it's true. Then

24:23

in the nineteenth century, fossil evidence

24:25

of truly mind blowing monsters began

24:28

to emerge from the primordial. Past

24:30

Dinosaurs. Whoa. Wait. I didn't realize

24:32

it took that long for us

24:35

to find dinosaur but he pulled.

24:37

Didn't fucking know about dinosaurs until

24:39

the eighteen hundreds. Got it? Just

24:42

blew my mind. Yeah I guess

24:44

like yeah the money I think

24:46

about have been screaming about that

24:48

so you grew up believing then.

24:51

It. In in the Biblical History of the

24:53

World number. Obviously I'm just speaking about

24:55

one of the major world religions here,

24:57

but it of the major world religions

25:00

you know they're one of the domino

25:02

ones of is it in in this

25:04

area at the time calling. Suddenly.

25:08

Finding monster bones.

25:10

his work, And

25:13

and and I'll talk about okay. I'll

25:15

jump ahead at this point. Extinction.

25:18

The. Idea of extinction was a

25:20

relatively new idea in the nineteenth

25:23

century we're in mainstream science did

25:25

not fully. I mean this also

25:28

before Darwinism brass. And so this

25:30

the idea that there might be

25:32

extinct species that we had never

25:35

witness in our lifetime as humans

25:37

was was a new thought was

25:40

so when they were first finding

25:42

these bones they were like maybe

25:44

this shit is hear ya Imagination

25:47

must went wild. Yeah, Yeah, it's

25:49

almost like a childlike wonder, that of

25:51

the this time of history and aware

25:53

that just. Sort. Of blissfully

25:56

unaware of guess so many

25:58

is T S. Wilde.

26:00

I mean, we. You

26:03

know? well, I don't want to go

26:05

that far, but I'm like weeds. I

26:07

feel like we generally no more than

26:09

like the average person new who who

26:11

about the world and signs back then

26:13

by a long shot you want to

26:15

hope We're trying now Classical education and

26:17

of the way we write or penmanship.a

26:19

long ago yes And Nine the through.

26:21

You know it's it's is wild to

26:23

think you know Ten. He makes this

26:25

point on his podcast certs. You know

26:27

when everything about disease. The

26:30

founding fathers and how smart they

26:32

work know about dinosaurs surround. Us

26:35

that that is a crazy connection to

26:37

draw is in a while to as

26:40

so that this. Idea that. There

26:43

are monsters. And the

26:45

Giants in the ground. Leads.

26:49

Lends credence credence to the idea that

26:51

a Jersey Devil might exist. Sure, why

26:53

not right? Yeah, command in the month?

26:55

Scary. I'm so we talked about that

26:57

were popular the time those were becoming

26:59

popular Because these bones last year more

27:01

more popular because before finding these bones

27:04

they didn't know what the fuck they

27:06

were on. Their probably only finding fragments

27:08

of these young trying to piece together

27:10

in the yeah mine raise animals might

27:12

look like rodeos yes v the first

27:14

I'm I'm pulling the out of my

27:17

ass. but like you can google. Or

27:19

but the first dinosaur bone

27:21

Wow. The thirty First like

27:23

fully intact mammoths I think

27:25

wasn't found until the late

27:27

eighteen hundreds. Maybe early nineteen

27:29

or maybe early nineteen hundreds

27:31

in Siberia with like flesh

27:33

syntax but they had called.

27:35

they named it a few

27:37

different things before they finally

27:39

decided like okay, this is

27:41

a this is a extinct

27:43

species smell calling the mammoth.

27:47

Math So much has happened and so

27:49

little time. Yeah, gaps truly. while it's

27:51

crazy, in eighteen thirty nine fossils of

27:53

a pleases or were discovered in a

27:56

marine deposit in English coastal town of

27:58

Lyme Regis by amateur. The collector

28:00

Mary Anning and eighteen thirty eight

28:02

a farmer in Haddonfield, New Jersey

28:05

near Burlington discovered large dinosaur bones

28:07

wild didn't know they were the

28:09

time While trudging and I'm are

28:11

touching a moral pit which is

28:13

like a mineral sort of like

28:16

in the. Would form

28:18

it was like a clay that would

28:20

like form and to like a high.

28:22

Had a google this of the what

28:24

the fuck is moral progress has some

28:27

useful thing they found of the grounds

28:29

of charging an immoral pit and he

28:31

put them on display not knowing what

28:34

these bones were. Years later after dinosaur

28:36

bones sort of being discovered in Eighteen

28:38

Fifty Eight, one William Parker folk lawyer

28:40

an amateur fossil collector would pick up

28:43

where that farmer left off twenty years

28:45

prior and dug up the remaining. Fossilized

28:47

remains on which total to about thirty

28:49

percent of what became the first dinosaur

28:52

skeleton found in the Americas. Shocker were

28:54

a few miles away from where the

28:56

Weeds Devil had had said to be

28:59

born. Do or no answer it was

29:01

upon completion. Ah, I'm not sure. Yeah,

29:03

I think it might have been in

29:05

a guan. As on for I'm not.

29:08

I'm not sure what is only thirty

29:10

percent of the animal rights. The.

29:12

Eighteen sixties was also when

29:14

the leaves devil found it's

29:16

way into literature. The earliest

29:18

known printed article about the

29:21

lead several was written by

29:23

W F. Mayor, published in

29:25

Eighteen Sixty Nine for Atlantic

29:27

Monthly. Mayor traveled to the

29:29

New Jersey Pine Barrens to

29:31

write about the rural people

29:33

living in squalor among the

29:35

trees whom he so lovingly

29:37

referred to as fine rats

29:40

now pine ruff countering them

29:42

during. An interview with an old lady

29:44

and her son who lived in a

29:46

Have Allowed the Forest The woman named

29:48

Hannah Butler made a reference to the

29:51

weather being about as store me as.

29:53

Them night I see. that

29:55

leads damn long. Before

29:58

he could ask any follow up questions, Her

30:00

encounter all Mrs Butler was just

30:02

by her son and the to

30:04

figures alerts back off in the

30:06

woods. Mares travel guide eventually explain

30:08

to the author that the woman

30:10

was referring to a well known

30:13

legend from the area about a

30:15

drag and like monster who was

30:17

born and seventeen thirty five a

30:19

which name Mother Lee's who set

30:21

upon a strict diet of young

30:23

women and babies. So here we

30:25

have probably or first recorded eyewitness

30:27

account a woman who claims that

30:29

she. Saw the Jersey Devil on a

30:31

stormy night out the pine barrens. Him

30:34

back in the you know, eighteen fifteen

30:36

surround them. After

30:38

marriage or articles published the

30:40

lead several myth goes quiet

30:43

for almost sixty years. Then

30:45

in January of Eighteen Ninety Three,

30:47

a New York Sun article was

30:49

published about an eerie railroad engineer

30:52

who reported he was an eerie

30:54

that's the name of the railroad

30:56

the eerie will go up.e R

30:58

I a group of users who

31:00

hundred please put for the of

31:02

have any or encounter ah the

31:04

engineer reported a monster who attacked

31:06

of one of his train cars.

31:09

And He said. He

31:13

became a Muslim family, not a train

31:16

engineer. Well, he's playing the part are

31:18

those. So although he sucks when questioned

31:20

whether or not he could have been

31:22

a now that engineer responded, Now

31:26

wow, That's so. Stevo

31:28

Back again, Sir

31:30

Isaiah Than. A

31:34

sense of among young, the

31:36

yes, Ring. Any bells

31:38

bro mance is getting weirder that

31:40

wasn't in the original or description.

31:42

Know it knows not to climbers

31:44

trees shape. I mean is it

31:46

that or could this be on

31:48

Valium some kind of bigfoot? Why?

31:50

Now that's exactly when that is

31:53

of the Facebook A for a

31:55

monkey. While the same article erroneous

31:57

least stated that the lead several

31:59

had originally. The from the ever

32:01

shim woods not the pine barrens.

32:03

It added a new bit of

32:06

lore that a religious cleansing of

32:08

the area hadn't Ban is the

32:10

monster from one hundred years Those

32:13

one hundred years or now up

32:15

Mutai under my sister was bad

32:17

for her father. Was.

32:21

A half of that. How to read

32:23

by like a fucking squeeze like a

32:25

month and by out. To

32:29

a horse. Nineteen or

32:31

Five was a big year for

32:34

the lead. several it all away.

32:36

Sorry, I'm going to remain a

32:38

few years. In. July of Eighteen

32:40

Ninety Nine of Report published in a zinc

32:43

Love that encrypted has a big years go

32:45

by, Years is really gonna be my you

32:47

bro. You're going to fight as the from

32:50

a biblical the foundation. This is it to

32:52

see that every year there seems a bit

32:54

of a new modes more years. In July

32:56

of Eighty Ninety Nine of Report published in

32:59

the same era St. Paul Minneapolis paper. Saint.

33:01

Paul Minnesota pay for Thank

33:04

you Michael! The St. Paul

33:06

Globe claimed that two men

33:08

saw the Jersey Devil in

33:10

the fourth with a headline

33:12

boasting the leaves Devil Returns.

33:14

A month later, the Akron

33:16

Ohio paper, the Akron Daily

33:18

Democrat reprinted the story. Now

33:20

with the headline Jersey Sees

33:22

That Devil. Further, Spreading

33:25

the legend of the monster

33:27

to readers all around the

33:29

area. Nine Zero Five Now

33:31

or Ninety Five Vague year

33:33

Big year for the Law

33:35

Center, bridges and all started

33:37

with of mysterious footprints found

33:39

in the snow in the

33:41

pine barrens. Now these were

33:43

not. Be the

33:46

type of France, these were fine.

33:48

Of last story of the of

33:50

the devil who walked in Devon

33:52

England those are close and. Cloven

33:55

hooves. Locals begin to whisper about

33:57

the return of the Devil. In

34:00

July of that year, an article

34:02

in the Trenton Times Read told

34:04

the story about. We. All know

34:06

well now a sorcerer his name

34:09

mother leads who gave birth to

34:11

a monster in this version written

34:13

by Ominous Alba, the creature was

34:15

born in Border Town Not Leads

34:18

points in a house on the

34:20

north eastern corner of Farnsworth and

34:22

Mic Nights Out which up until

34:24

recently I belong to one hundred

34:27

million Jolly who took ill and

34:29

died from a mysterious illness no

34:31

doubt connected to the houses dreadful

34:34

history of. The

34:36

monster was more monkey like in

34:38

this version as reported by the

34:41

engineer few years earlier and lives

34:43

probably where he got that detail

34:45

and lived with the leads family

34:47

for a few years before flying

34:50

off and as into the wilderness.

34:52

However, As this till

34:54

goes, this all occurred Not and

34:56

seventeen Thirty five, but in eighteen.

34:58

Oh wait. so now there's different

35:01

versions Were kittens As the reboots

35:03

you know remains the reboot of

35:05

the of the lead Sarah Rose.

35:08

Shortly after that article was published,

35:11

author J. F. for Watkins wrote

35:13

his own article on the Pine

35:15

Barrens, Half of which was devoted

35:17

to snake catchers and the other

35:19

half of which was devoted to

35:22

the legend of the League's Devil

35:24

May Cry and Watkins version of

35:26

the tail. The being was much

35:28

more dragon like and left. Mother

35:30

leads his house immediately after the

35:32

birth and the father was not

35:35

captain Leads but the Devil himself.

35:37

Know this, You know which? Is

35:39

covered it with dabbled in there

35:41

clearly he also included and may

35:43

have originated the bits about Steve

35:45

Indicator firing upon the monster the

35:47

famous naval captain with is canon

35:49

or and one of the eyewitnesses

35:52

also being Napoleon's brother Joseph Bonaparte

35:54

who lived in the area. the

35:56

time in nights you know nine

35:58

more mysterious hoof like. Her

36:00

family photo part the her back

36:02

in the said senators discernible feel.

36:04

You may know my revenue my

36:07

brother and yes, simple Rule of

36:09

France Napoleon. In I don't

36:11

have Ah, Ah

36:13

yes yes If we that

36:15

regard as we know Joseph.

36:18

And nice You know nine more mysterious

36:20

of like prince Her found in the

36:22

snowy forest round border town. Leads

36:25

Point and Mount Holly. The Philadelphia

36:27

Inquirer ran a front page headline

36:29

of the story that read what

36:31

Is It Visits all South Jersey

36:33

and will throw up a photo

36:36

of this headline on Instagram. Guys

36:38

can check it out. Cool. You.

36:40

Know some hope for it's in the snow.

36:43

Who. Knows where that is a like i'm

36:45

what is it What is it I

36:47

like into six hundred where she likes

36:49

to the or a horseshoe visible enough

36:52

people actually pointed out to waste time

36:54

out. Why would a jersey Why with

36:56

the Jersey Devil have horses derive Other.

36:58

Why? But why don't remember? Maybe

37:00

motherly in some horses on its hooves.

37:03

She didn't have time. I went up

37:05

the chimney and with al Rahmah stories

37:07

he hung out. where where are you

37:09

dollar sign. Up

37:15

for this is this is this

37:17

period Philadelphia really gets in on

37:19

the Jersey Devil game way more

37:22

than actual New Jersey. of course.

37:24

The cartoon images of the lead

37:26

several began to spread throughout newspapers

37:28

in the area. One iconic illustration

37:31

of the creature, sort of a

37:33

defining image of the beast. I'm

37:35

sure you guys have seen this

37:37

before. Reason to ran in the

37:40

Philadelphia Bulletin and Ninety Nine of

37:42

It's a very cute. It looks

37:44

like it's ridiculous. And Michael your

37:46

first tattoo. I mean I would

37:48

actually get this done because ah

37:50

a lot of like it looks

37:52

like he'll return. Pretty nice soda

37:54

abroad. It looks like old illustrations

37:56

from like The Wizard of Oz,

37:58

the old the. The Wizard of

38:00

Oz books. Yeah, he looks like an

38:03

Aws creature. It is a horse headed.

38:06

Got a horse head it standing

38:08

on two legs. it has rounded

38:10

years. It has a skinny little

38:12

body bat wings in a skinny

38:14

for tail. Yeah it looks harmless

38:17

and as little as legs are

38:19

like Flamingo was yes like our

38:21

football weekly. Small? yeah very cute.

38:23

I love it. Look close it

38:25

is his Susilo Little toys go

38:27

it. Rose shoes of the i

38:29

guess that express you have barrier

38:32

you can run by a little

38:34

horseshoe. Discuss. Great.

38:42

I just love that the first sighting was

38:44

by a woman in the dark. stormy night,

38:46

dark and as raining. There that was the

38:48

Jersey Devil at the wire to it. Clowns

38:50

was a call the Jersey Devil. Yet our

38:52

Leads Devil. The Leads Devil going to rewrite?

38:55

Remember this? I'm glad aware that, right? Yeah,

38:57

that's good. or kind of find out right

38:59

now, the Leads Devil. If I ever saw

39:01

Bolland, we're going to find out how it

39:03

got the Jersey Devil nickname. With

39:06

all of this leads devil news

39:08

making headlines. Of Philadelphia

39:11

promoter name Norm and Jeffries

39:13

saw an opportunity. He

39:15

pitched the idea to his

39:17

bosses at the Fledgling Nights

39:19

and Arch Street Die Museum

39:22

in Philadelphia, Charles A Brain

39:24

Bird and Tf Hopkins that

39:26

they should display Believes Devil

39:28

in their exhibit Moon and

39:30

sell tickets for a premium

39:32

prior we go there and

39:34

to Die museums. we're kind

39:36

of like a through like

39:38

little tourist traps, sides, scytodes

39:40

if it's vaudeville and weird

39:42

museums all in one. Something

39:45

that. Cater to the working class because

39:47

during the industrial revolution people started having

39:49

spent will income for the first time

39:51

and so they needed entertainment and one

39:53

of things you could do was go

39:56

down to a little corner museum that

39:58

would have sort of like a museum

40:00

of the weird there be a stage

40:02

they would put on shows they have

40:04

like a taxidermy wolverine gather have vaudeville

40:07

acts, they would have bearded lady stuff

40:09

you might seem a circus freak show,

40:11

that kind of stuff like the original

40:13

Reddit eight ah hot what exactly is

40:15

it might be there were two were

40:17

ready. Might also be like the original

40:20

Four Chan known to play but for

40:22

years you're really good. he are gonna

40:24

be like. Some weird bro, maybe

40:26

some dark shit, you know, and I

40:28

mean year ago, but but somewhere between.

40:30

It's definitely like and you pick up

40:32

a mcguire there are you probably could

40:34

live my wire Occur at the At

40:36

A Guy Museum. Now

40:39

there was only one problem with Jeffries

40:41

plans. They needed

40:43

a monster movie. so taking a

40:45

cue from hucksters before him who

40:48

capitalized on hoaxes like the Fiji

40:50

Mermaid and the Card Is Giants,

40:52

Jeffries contacted a taxidermist who didn't

40:55

make of a fake animal know.

40:58

He put him in touch with

41:00

an animal handler and a trainer

41:02

known as Professor Edwards. Who

41:05

sipped Jeffries? a lives Kangaroo

41:07

with hello the fuck over?

41:10

Have you read Jeffrey Pain?

41:12

It never trust anyone. A

41:14

call themselves. Professor Edwards relied

41:17

on your college professor. Professor

41:20

Edwards has like the biggest scuba you've ever

41:22

seen. Her for a be a compromise and

41:24

my vote for out alive Kangaroo and I

41:26

the it's higher power ready. To go for

41:29

us. what size talk has? come on.

41:31

I haven't gone although I don't ask

41:33

how I got it's Jeffries painted stripes

41:35

on the animal, pinned a pair of

41:37

fake wings on his back, and then

41:40

hired a local clown who worked with

41:42

the Ringling Brothers saw oh come on,

41:44

not kidding and a few of his

41:46

other friends to stage a press event

41:48

to go out into the pine barrens

41:51

and hunts the creature. yes of a

41:53

price your resume range of war since

41:55

you can you have a thirty more

41:57

about the wings. They were the villa.

42:00

The only to I it seemed like to

42:02

this day it's half So the minds of

42:04

those greens are one of these like feathers

42:06

on the we. I think they were more

42:08

like leathery bad wig. Okay that's how they

42:11

were described right? Okay I don't know but

42:13

I I did see the i do think

42:15

there is some involuntary body modification. Haven't moved

42:17

to the and wow. Or a

42:19

gnarly yeah not cool. These guys are not

42:21

cool Visit: Make it again A great short

42:24

film. real real hard part real hard thing

42:26

to be not apply to them. Live in

42:28

a i still on clouding that poured yeah

42:30

I don't use I don't think he was

42:32

dressed as a cloud of the time of

42:34

was like he was sort of like is

42:36

it's with his helmet yeah he knows he

42:38

had their own eyes so they all got

42:40

dressed up. They release the kangaroo into the

42:43

pine barrens I hope every listeners talk about

42:45

and like I fuck off at the of

42:47

thing like of this Do simple as encyclopedia.

42:49

Foresee that I said clapper fast as

42:52

they ah they got about guns they

42:54

chased the kangaroo round of the pine

42:56

barrens causing a whole seem to give

42:58

it the airbus and says to the

43:00

people local said they heard screaming and

43:03

gunshots and then. Became.

43:05

Out of the woods. With

43:07

the poor animal alive.

43:10

Oh Nick Cage. And

43:12

displayed it for paying. Crowd is frame

43:14

Why Another question Thirty I didn't realize

43:16

that he has sent them alive. Kangaroo

43:19

to be You have like a kangaroo.

43:21

Oh yeah yeah no real the word

43:23

see Pay for gas Bad yeah I

43:25

know I'm just very best efforts Yes

43:28

Know this is a dog dream. Lord

43:30

our story this is darker than a

43:32

woman having sex with the devil giving

43:34

birth to a national L answered my

43:37

time as younger people are always the

43:39

monsters. Price of people living on be

43:41

in the. Inactive this whole thing.

43:43

They put it on ah,

43:45

on stage for paying crowds

43:47

and newspapers reported that the

43:49

real Jersey Devil found and

43:52

that's how the leads devil

43:54

became known nationwide as the

43:56

Jersey Devil of these ass

43:58

holes at this time. The

44:00

gun. You want to know. You guys want to

44:02

know what the act was. Yeah.

44:05

They would pull back the curtains, the

44:07

kangaroo would be alive in the cage

44:09

and someone would hang out with high

44:12

and the curtain with a prime and

44:14

post as the kangaroo causing it to

44:16

scream and flap around and flop around

44:18

and the cage while audiences went. Wow

44:23

And laughed at it with a

44:25

former wow Super bummer. I wonder

44:27

if I'm. You. Know because we've

44:30

explored the idea that super intense emotional

44:32

trauma can create sort of energy fields

44:34

that ripple that could. Help

44:37

explain dose to poltergeists activity. maybe like

44:39

animal trauma. could two and a button

44:41

I'm saying maybe I don't I just

44:43

want to like makes I like where

44:45

you go and I didn't want to

44:47

make this kangaroos torture and and death

44:49

mean something in may be. That.

44:51

Helped propel this. Or. Apparition.

44:53

well t as into the fields

44:55

of the I majored in a

44:57

cloud chasing a painting kangaroo around

45:00

the force that sounds like an

45:02

occult ritual to me. one hundred

45:04

percent backer of some and something

45:07

be. I guess what off after

45:09

this sidings go up there you

45:11

go away their belief begin. Fortunately

45:13

for the kangaroo. That

45:16

the the jig was up. After not

45:18

to long good newspaper writers wrote hold

45:20

on a second. I'm sir that still

45:22

did not end well. Big hang around.

45:24

Old on. I have a theory. Okay,

45:26

I'm going. I'm I'm going to impose.

45:29

So. After collecting thousands

45:31

of dollars in Jersey Devil ticket

45:33

sales, Jeffries wash the stripes off

45:36

the abused animal, detach the wings

45:38

on, tend to them and sent

45:40

it back to Professor Edward is

45:43

where process of list phrase it.

45:45

Escapes the train on the way

45:47

and lived a long happy life

45:50

with a loving family somewhere between

45:52

Philadelphia and Buffalo, New York. Out

45:55

to rephrase again a professor and

45:57

replace them. Borrow a roof. We're

46:00

the hey what happened of my

46:02

take a rule sets of before

46:05

the physical my kangaroo. I'm once

46:07

again putting this black and white

46:09

short film presents or Edwards's may

46:11

be like Christopher Walken. you know

46:14

we've got loads you do my

46:16

hang together with that the or

46:18

Jeffrey urge to Freezes is probably.

46:22

Jefferson be like are you know at home

46:24

defoe maybe my think willing to on the

46:26

though is maybe don't sound that has. An

46:30

exciting Alec Bradley Cooper. How Roman in a

46:32

way Some way whoever is yeah you know

46:34

yet again Lambeau. he got a yelling a

46:36

big name star in their of wasn't like

46:38

this stretching a little bit. you know playing

46:40

a little bit of the character all new

46:42

know Ryan Gosling may be. I love Zach

46:45

Galifianakis in there to maybe and play the

46:47

parker rules your as guess sack out and

46:49

acts as a kangaroo. Love it is a

46:51

great fills his grades make this movie. Ah.

46:54

The. Act, while profitable, couldn't save the

46:56

Knights in Art Style museum and Jeffries

46:59

was labeled a diabolical press agent for

47:01

offering the hoax cel. They got their

47:03

just deserts, the museum went on a

47:05

business and a bad asthma. Yeah fuck

47:08

these guys have. Fuck those guys. Now

47:10

the Jersey Devil lived. With.

47:14

Signings in the Pine Barrens

47:16

starting to flood in. Some

47:19

people said. It. Was fair

47:21

like. Others called it

47:23

a moose with the wings

47:25

or a winged kangaroo. One.

47:29

Report specified that it was three and

47:31

a half tolls a feet tall with

47:33

the like a collie dog in a

47:35

face like Phillips. And

47:38

nineteen a felony or for it. Regularly

47:41

rebels as a result, Erasure Users Earth

47:43

or theoretical. An avid circuit says it's

47:45

been a rough weather is that I

47:47

had like a call and are going

47:49

to faithfully. Always money. Or

47:51

my May Twenty report said fishermen

47:54

fought and fought off the Jersey

47:56

Devil off the coast of New

47:58

England. Ah, who boasted eight flexible

48:00

aren't taken off to put oh

48:02

God, A thing of all the

48:04

really ridiculous great interview, the Jersey

48:07

Devil may care for soup. What

48:09

do you call that? A creepy

48:11

pause to sue Korea. The Up

48:13

Monster hunters from Bloomsbury, Pennsylvania coordinated

48:15

effort with local law enforcement from

48:17

New Jersey to hunt down and

48:19

killed this real Jersey Devil around

48:22

the same time a fisherman named

48:24

Captain George.eats claimed that a bird

48:26

like creature attacked him in his

48:28

boat. Officer of Brigantine. In

48:31

August nineteen nineteen a woman named Lean

48:33

of Bergeson claim to found the Jersey

48:35

Devil in or Chicken Coop attacking her

48:37

hands. Seen a neighbor beat the creature

48:39

to death with a pitchfork by claiming

48:41

it have the head of the squirrel,

48:43

the body of a large dog. It

48:45

looked like a from. World

48:48

maybe it's a passerby of as

48:50

soon have been a possibly you

48:53

beat up with pitchforks shovels. more

48:55

chicken attacks were reported. Linking the

48:57

Jersey Devils methodology to other crypt

48:59

is who. Followed yet to be

49:01

popularized Big Foot and Chupacabra. We

49:03

got some livestock attacks. Him one

49:05

farmer described the creatures having the

49:08

head of a pig, the eyes

49:10

of a parents, and the tale

49:12

of a squirrel. All

49:15

over the place. I have a parrot honey

49:17

I don't know but I love it and

49:19

weird choice. Sightings continued

49:21

throughout the twentieth century of force

49:24

fire in the Pine Barrens, and

49:26

Nineteen Fifty Nine spurred reports that

49:28

the charred bodies of the creature

49:30

was found, although no reports were

49:33

ever followed up on. And.

49:35

The body was never produced

49:37

in Nineteen Sixty. Piercing screams

49:39

could be heard ringing through

49:41

the night, terrifying residents of

49:43

Maize Landing. Despite. The

49:46

police assuring citizens of the Jersey

49:48

Devil was just a hoax. A

49:50

circus owner offered a one hundred

49:53

thousand dollar reward for capture of

49:55

the creature. South. This sounds familiar.

49:57

It's because it is. This was

49:59

happening. During the same time a

50:01

similar praise was happening on the opposite

50:03

coast. In the Pacific Northwest, hunters

50:05

were looking for a freeze. The.

50:08

Murray Forest Monster with legendary roots

50:10

and both native folklore and story.

50:12

So by European explorers big fuss?

50:14

yeah, never heard of them. It

50:17

was in the laid out if

50:19

it was in the nineteen sixties

50:22

when the legend of the Jersey

50:24

Devil finally caught the attention of

50:26

a growing breed of a new

50:28

growing breed of monster hunters, crypto

50:30

zoologists. What was once a figure

50:32

of folklore turned sideshow freak was

50:34

now being grouped with entities like

50:36

Sasquatch, the abominable snowman. And the

50:38

Loch Ness Monster. Like. Bigfoot

50:41

Jersey Devils signings peaked in the

50:43

nineteen sixties and seventies, but I

50:45

witnesses silk came forward and belief

50:48

in the creature still remains of

50:50

want. One author who was not

50:52

a crypto. While just but I

50:55

I just wanted a pause and

50:57

talk about real quick was Henry

50:59

Charlton back. He was a historian

51:02

who read and folklore soon really

51:04

zeroed in on. New

51:06

Jersey and the Pine Barrens and the

51:08

Leads Devil and he wrote a bunch

51:11

of books about store use kind of

51:13

like the first guide you in like

51:15

we're New Jersey stuff moment and he

51:17

got a lot of the Daniel Leads

51:19

history wrong and he would miss quote

51:22

people who came before him but we

51:24

can kind of credit him he died

51:26

and sixty five but he wrote a

51:28

lot about the Jersey Devil in the

51:30

thirties and for twenty thirties and forties

51:32

and into the city. so he was

51:35

one of these guys. have. Helped

51:37

keep the Jersey Devil name

51:39

alive to mass audiences. throws

51:41

time. Interesting. Now.

51:45

Here. Are some eyewitness reports that

51:47

I've compiled in a one time

51:49

only segment that I'm calling. Jersey

51:52

Devil in the eighties schedule for

51:55

to God I hate. My

51:58

want to switch of the musically around one. The

52:00

thing? They're nowhere. Nineteen Eighty Four

52:02

saved for seed brains. Your Allen

52:04

Mcfarland Discovered a pack of the

52:07

slaughtered on a farm in Jenkins.

52:09

The back of their heads were

52:11

eaten away and their bodies were

52:14

shredded by something with cloths metal.

52:16

Here's the catch. Know tracks. No

52:19

blood moon? really? no explanation as

52:21

to what happened to the pigs

52:23

and little thing with years earlier

52:26

is like sanguine he says to

52:28

her name. Nineteen

52:32

Eighty One Anonymous may have from a

52:34

house house. It came face to face

52:36

with the creature. He claims it's

52:38

Jersey Devil with six feet tall. Covered

52:41

in for had sued speed with

52:43

three tells on each foot and

52:45

large teeth and as like a

52:47

dude with long hair that since

52:49

of vehicle if if if you

52:51

also best six feet tall well

52:53

baby big foot or email to.

52:56

Nineteen. Eighty Two. The. Jersey

52:58

Devil hockey team takes it's name or

53:01

thrive Then and the late Nineteen eighties

53:03

a bunch of campers refrain by the

53:05

creature as told here by a witness.

53:08

drink tea and lonely or late Nineteen

53:10

eighties a couple of my friends and

53:12

I we took a code been trip

53:15

down that a pine barrens I was

53:17

aware we were headed to collect are

53:19

you missed web site our to take

53:21

a lot of I know are out

53:24

of the world's I am going to

53:26

do. It is worth at. Midnight.

53:29

Now I'm for as he, he's got

53:31

of a legit around a of Anyway,

53:33

I was unaware that we were added

53:35

to the home of the Jersey Devil.

53:37

we had is out on our bikes

53:40

and did I share a party that

53:42

night? Probably did we. The next day

53:44

while everyone was asleep the three it

53:46

was decided to hit trails a bit

53:48

earlier than usual. We were about a

53:51

hundred yards away in the woods when

53:53

my bike stalled out. I looked and

53:55

found my friends their bikes stalled out

53:57

also. At first I thought it is censored.

54:00

The do with the terrain or

54:02

maybe something to do with the

54:04

nearby power plants fifty feet away

54:06

from each other. But not so.

54:09

We tried to start up by

54:11

bikes right when suddenly from the

54:13

words we hurt the most horrible

54:16

piercing scream the speak sounded inhumane

54:18

is that even slice of the

54:20

be tortured. What's bad if the

54:23

asked us if we heard screams

54:25

earlier they said heard of through

54:27

as right they did. Only four.

54:30

Miles away as right that at

54:32

night we heard it into the local

54:34

town because we ran out of

54:36

booze. And he

54:38

had a little less and we

54:40

went into a bar and I

54:42

ordered a drink still in shock

54:44

from what I had Our dad

54:46

morning that a bartender as a

54:48

kid would you see a ghost

54:50

assaulted the asteroid. told the story.

54:53

You know what? he did. He smiled

54:55

and said it looks like you met

54:57

our little friend. He

54:59

did ask us to come out that

55:01

he showed us the ten gop it's

55:03

kids that was shredded the beats. You.

55:08

Tried to shreds we made from Sumpter.

55:10

would sweep floors side never returns. Replied

55:12

by with since and I do not

55:15

play to go back. For

55:18

wow, Uncle Frank, well off other

55:20

does add that often we riff

55:22

on these stories and that is

55:25

actually pretty much verbatim. What friend

55:27

he had his ah yes, maybe

55:29

a little spine litter own eyes,

55:31

not beta. they do better go

55:33

back and attackers Irina booze that's

55:35

crazy fucker fab. that's a. Big.

55:38

Full encounter wounded. We have an

55:40

agreement. In Nineteen Ninety Three, a

55:42

forest ranger name John Irwin was

55:44

driving along the Maalik a river

55:46

when a massive creature six feet

55:49

tall with Stearns and mattered black

55:51

for cross into the road and

55:53

blocked his car. According to Irwin,

55:55

the To just stared at one

55:57

another for several minutes before the.

56:00

You're slipped back into the

56:02

for soon. So. There.

56:05

You have it. I witnessed

56:07

stories, photos, video guide of

56:10

and the history of the

56:12

Jersey Devil, a creature that

56:14

went from political and so

56:17

to folklore to sideshow freak

56:19

to full fledged scripted some

56:22

hockey team to superstar over

56:24

the course of two hundred

56:26

and seventy nine years. Talk

56:29

about butterfly for what Israel.

56:31

What? His faith. Is. There

56:34

a difference anymore. At this point

56:36

in my writing, I literally took

56:38

off my glasses and rubbed my

56:41

eyes. I don't know. All I

56:43

can say is that I don't

56:46

think there's a devil or witchcraft

56:48

involved in the creation of the

56:50

leads. Devil History, politics, pop culture,

56:53

and folklore are all the ingredients

56:55

one needs to create monsters. The

56:58

problem. Is once we've given birth

57:00

to them, monsters have a

57:02

tendency to run away, only

57:04

to return to destroy their

57:06

makers. And to the Jersey

57:08

Devil I say. Well

57:11

done These. Ideals.

57:15

And there it is. Very go

57:17

the history of the Jersey Devil.

57:19

Wow Wow. Guys. What

57:22

the hell was that? I mean I'll

57:24

tell you this, I was not expecting

57:26

your deep dive on the Jersey Devil

57:28

to give me so much perspective on

57:31

our knowledge of dinosaurs. The founding father

57:33

yeah the importance of the printing press.

57:35

so of and you really best really

57:38

hit a lot of know my own

57:40

Cedar Hill of Live for an a

57:42

lot of research came out of the

57:44

spoke the secret history of the Jersey

57:47

Devil, how Quakers, hucksters and Benjamin Franklin

57:49

created a monster and on. This is

57:51

by Brain Regal and Frank J. Esposito

57:53

owns. One of the arguments they make

57:56

is like the actual history is way

57:58

more interesting really. Their legs. Itself.

58:01

What a fun way to learn American

58:03

history through Crypt as well as yeah.

58:05

And I found that you know to

58:08

be true for all of the stories

58:10

of we've gotten into here. And I

58:12

mean these little snapshots of time in

58:14

places where the small town monsters really

58:16

take off. You know whether they're real

58:18

or not. And the thing that I

58:20

struggle with and I wanted I want

58:22

to hear your thoughts on. What

58:25

Do we do? Because I feel like.

58:28

What? Are we do with? This.

58:30

Because I feel like. The

58:33

origin story is pretty clearly

58:35

man made since birth. Peopling.

58:39

Claim to have seen shit. Yes, This is what

58:41

I'm so so so. What

58:43

the hell is that? Well to me

58:46

this is. This is great evidence for

58:48

a case to be made that. These

58:51

types of things have way of

58:53

taking on a life of their

58:55

own. Either that or the phenomenon

58:57

at large let's just sort of

58:59

art is it has a way

59:01

of combing through our our minds

59:03

space and and pulling out entities

59:05

that it can use to us

59:07

haunt us. you know in in

59:09

in deep and dark places A

59:11

but this is great evidence for

59:13

that. This can help explain how

59:16

you get so many different monsters

59:18

and creatures of Accra Vast, you

59:20

know just cornucopia of different. They

59:22

can't all be. These. Creatures

59:24

be real, you know? But. But

59:27

people. Are experiencing something? You know

59:30

what I mean. The I think

59:32

your story showed that did this

59:34

is of man made creature but

59:36

I still tend to believe that

59:38

there's probably more witnesses to this

59:40

creature than than may be told

59:42

in your story and that without

59:44

sure people are experiencing something may

59:46

be profound in the pine barrens

59:48

or super now yell at their

59:50

attaching on to or that is

59:52

representing its well and even the

59:54

people believed in our horned force

59:56

god that lived in the. Pine Baron.

59:58

Yeah, I mean maybe this. Some

1:00:01

type of elemental energy? Maybe this

1:00:03

is some sort of elder god

1:00:05

of some kind Slayers? Maybe this

1:00:08

is. Or. Whatever.

1:00:10

Or. Manifests itself that way when the

1:00:13

user interacts with whatever energy that

1:00:15

is. I'm also open to the

1:00:17

idea that is kind of goofy.

1:00:19

is this sounds that. These

1:00:22

are all. Either.

1:00:25

Made. Up stories, legends and

1:00:27

then. Hoaxers. In

1:00:29

the newspaper. Yeah, stories. But then there

1:00:32

might be fucking big foot out there

1:00:34

that people are hearing and conceit because

1:00:36

there wasn't a lot of terminology. there

1:00:38

was no real terminology for bigfoot aroma.

1:00:41

I'm other than wild man and you

1:00:43

already have the Jersey Devil stories out

1:00:45

there since, and a lot of these

1:00:47

things are. Footprints. Found

1:00:50

in snow a weird

1:00:52

tracks. I'm. Piercing

1:00:54

screens in the middle of the

1:00:56

night? Ah. Garbage. Cans

1:00:59

being rummage through, road install salary bigfoot

1:01:01

around for him figures yes, our even

1:01:03

zooming out even further. It's just like

1:01:05

whatever this paranormal phenomenon that is a

1:01:07

part of the human experience is, it's

1:01:10

like it's manifested through all this sort

1:01:12

of mythology and the urgent and social

1:01:14

construct that in that we have. Jin.

1:01:16

Yeah, so that's the way of filters,

1:01:18

but he was with and especially as

1:01:20

and then is seeing the passage of

1:01:23

time in the store here and a

1:01:25

get into the neither the nineteen fifties

1:01:27

and sixties when of the paranormal stuff

1:01:29

really started taking off and modern culture

1:01:31

it starts to take this new shape

1:01:34

you know, but it's just like. That

1:01:36

that is the lens for the experience

1:01:38

for this region is funny to see

1:01:41

the story of how that lends was

1:01:43

crafted by just people and knowing that.

1:01:46

They were both becoming Bigfoot and the Jersey

1:01:48

Devil were kind of becoming popular around the

1:01:50

same time on wrong person coasts. Yeah, that's

1:01:53

the thing that's different than the big foot

1:01:55

thing though is there seems to be sort

1:01:57

of like this, like gathering of different animal.

1:02:00

Yeah the primary school yes the camera

1:02:03

vs Lady on supposed which is it

1:02:05

was a thing in popular culture at

1:02:07

the time. This idea of your time

1:02:09

Eric of They're they're finding bones of

1:02:11

strange memorize creature I only as well

1:02:13

and and all him reminds me of

1:02:16

other small town stories where you've heard

1:02:18

words like and had to face of

1:02:20

an eel in the body of a.in

1:02:22

like the breath of a dragon blames

1:02:24

there is there are these weird time

1:02:26

mirrors that pop up in in small

1:02:28

town monster folklore. Yeah. Well, and Babylonian

1:02:31

and Sumerian every to so they as

1:02:33

as they're also well to to that's

1:02:35

laying the foundation for the evolution theory

1:02:38

to come out right after that to

1:02:40

right right, right. Sort of interesting. Third,

1:02:43

Thought. Evolving time. it's weird stuff

1:02:45

that early find out of it.

1:02:48

And. You know, like every other book

1:02:50

I read about the historical context of months

1:02:52

are are still isn't an explanation for what

1:02:54

people are seeing on the woods. Fluoride? you

1:02:56

know what I mean. Even if it I

1:02:58

have little base has people are saying something,

1:03:00

get out and and I and I was

1:03:02

handed area. I tend to think more and

1:03:05

more than a lot of the stop there

1:03:07

is there more hucksters and hoaxers involved but

1:03:09

I still think there's something going on that

1:03:11

we can't explain well and also say maybe

1:03:13

there's a germ to the truth of like

1:03:15

that thirteenth birth. maybe we don't know what

1:03:17

they were. Involved in you know what I

1:03:19

mean. I love the yo no animal neither

1:03:22

that we ran towards of your i was

1:03:24

a crowd I mean I I hope it's

1:03:26

that yeah I will look at what a

1:03:28

bizarre and whimsical don't Enter was without a

1:03:30

doubt themselves outright like this virgin birth of

1:03:33

the Christos the crisis has brought on untold

1:03:35

sort of sings upon the earth and don'ts

1:03:37

doesn't that have that the it's also needs

1:03:39

it sort of like well I think we

1:03:41

need to dark want to be by reviewed

1:03:44

a sore eyes I think I'd power I

1:03:46

think. price for really having on the. I

1:03:48

am. I had that I've observed

1:03:50

for of I think are often

1:03:52

have any idea the problem is

1:03:55

again if you go back to

1:03:57

part one that idea of monsters

1:03:59

birth was. Popular aim and motif and

1:04:01

it was told in more than one

1:04:03

story. And we don't have a store called

1:04:05

Record of a Mother. Leads are kept in

1:04:08

Leeds. we have this other leads family were

1:04:10

prominent total and we'd just foot but to

1:04:12

for that amount of a daughter died military.

1:04:14

Whether to let him know that I

1:04:16

have moved to the time of night a

1:04:19

librarian out of us are gonna leave the

1:04:21

flu moment or the Jersey Devil. Okay, I'm

1:04:23

not saying we caught your own to clear

1:04:26

the chimney up with the so funny why

1:04:28

we hadn't covered it in the and I'm

1:04:30

so glad that she did. Michael in

1:04:32

a in a two parter because he got

1:04:35

here. We've been told for five years and

1:04:37

we've avoided. He's gotta be a top ten

1:04:39

crypto rattling chef and I wonder what a

1:04:41

what a compuserve kinds of pictured elect on

1:04:44

the side of the turnpike? I hadn't either.

1:04:46

the no idea, the depth of the

1:04:48

history right? Totally New Jersey Devil The I?

1:04:50

yeah and he's wilde good stuff. They're all

1:04:53

right. Well. Before. We head over

1:04:55

to the collectors corner. I want to. Thank.

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Ten dollars a month? All right.

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let's swing by the collectors Corner

1:06:07

to find out. What else

1:06:09

were working? On what we're currently collecting,

1:06:11

breeding, watching or simply in. two guys

1:06:14

already got up and talk in a

1:06:16

locked isn't it talking to live on.

1:06:18

Would want to keep going on now

1:06:20

So failure I've and I mean this

1:06:22

might seem all but I've been playing

1:06:25

lot of Red Dead redemption dude with

1:06:27

Mill the for would you I was

1:06:29

at work now for this a father

1:06:31

a girl was just A this doesn't

1:06:33

of the on A B C C

1:06:36

video games or of yeah yeah I

1:06:38

fuckin love this game. I finally there

1:06:40

and. Off. So great I'm living my

1:06:42

cowboy life. It's the best

1:06:44

I spent my entire. Pandemic.

1:06:47

Throwing dynamite at the Kkk? It was

1:06:49

awesome. And they're setting and use of

1:06:51

Pandemic. Yeah, yeah. Hudlin, the animals and

1:06:53

fishermen are you doing? Are you doing

1:06:56

the legendary culture wars? Yeah. I like

1:06:58

to live the I like to live

1:07:00

the lava frontiersman. I'm ice ah Kilroy

1:07:03

need to but I'm out there. Hunt

1:07:05

and fish in and man of the

1:07:07

my now. I did a lot of

1:07:09

research at the time. there's no big

1:07:12

foot in Red Dead. Redemption. Disappointing. but

1:07:14

look closely, were confined. Guess what? Don't

1:07:16

bones to the giants gallatin being mined

1:07:19

out there and the wilderness his own.

1:07:21

some to I will love others. It's

1:07:23

a it's a little secret mission. You

1:07:25

can find giant bones from now rarely.

1:07:28

What are you a would you clicked

1:07:30

in these days? Ah, I started working

1:07:32

on a new. Program. A

1:07:34

I might Riley's A I got

1:07:37

it programming printer tell it it

1:07:39

calculates a pie which isn't infinite

1:07:41

number highness in real time and

1:07:43

maps the digits to a predetermined

1:07:45

scale that the user can check

1:07:47

different scales such as plays his

1:07:49

little. Milton. Melody

1:07:52

based on pie for like

1:07:54

forever? No way. Fun. I

1:07:56

don't know hello. I'm gonna do this. How does I met? What?

1:07:58

is it some my it's of. Very bad Melodies

1:08:00

Huddle not the fifth aside. Other thought:

1:08:03

oh my God is another thing we've

1:08:05

gone that makes no money. No

1:08:09

cook or something about a slow learner

1:08:11

vs Los Muertos one of three and

1:08:13

two gas miller and about math I

1:08:15

learned of I'd I'd I try to

1:08:17

inventing base ten scales cause the your

1:08:19

doctor the seven know that a to

1:08:21

the art of but like there's and

1:08:23

ten numbers as like all omega scale

1:08:25

bizarre frequencies on the base ten seconds

1:08:27

and then but then it was had

1:08:29

a really. Bad on a doesn't work. Hope

1:08:31

that. I've tried to map at a normal

1:08:33

skills and was kind of better, but yeah

1:08:35

I don't know, but it's like a fun weird

1:08:37

art thing admin. Everything we experience just frequency

1:08:39

waves anyway as well as I feel like I'm

1:08:42

trying to get an idea such as this before.

1:08:44

but like you do and stuff like this

1:08:46

kind of gives us a voice to what pie

1:08:48

is. so it added dimension to the thought of

1:08:50

Pasco the it like to give like a

1:08:52

different experience to Iowa. made a program that just

1:08:55

maps it'd seem like white to black, like zero

1:08:57

through nine and them like a grace com

1:08:59

between. They're just flashes. Of

1:09:01

yeah, that one of those grayscale images and

1:09:03

may be made in the next Pi day

1:09:06

will do a Patron episode, where are of

1:09:08

Riley Files episode or rally Just talks about

1:09:10

pie and Lithium in that. I'd love that.

1:09:12

Oh why not? Let's fucking do it. I'll

1:09:14

say I'll say. One thing that's come

1:09:16

out about this a I Chat on the

1:09:19

show is that a listener message me the

1:09:21

saying about like I know, I know that

1:09:23

a lot of people there's a lot of

1:09:25

pushback about Ai and yeah, there's a lot

1:09:27

of bad things and a kick out of

1:09:29

this really interesting conversation was like. To.

1:09:31

Me: It's. the

1:09:33

it's the human is always the human is

1:09:35

the monster nino think it's the it's the

1:09:37

corporate behavior and running the it or today

1:09:40

samples behaviors not a technology itself is here

1:09:42

it's happening and just a mere avast of

1:09:44

yeah of regulation of us yeah so kicked

1:09:46

out this williamson conversation is why i like

1:09:49

talking about the stuff and talk know you

1:09:51

guys who yeah you know i still love

1:09:53

that terence mckenna quote skin is the technology

1:09:55

of our technologies the skin of our species

1:09:58

yeah another world it's us man It's

1:10:00

just it's an extension of ourselves. Yeah, don't be

1:10:02

afraid of it. It's who we are So yeah,

1:10:04

so that and I started watching Fallout Dude,

1:10:07

I gotta watch Fallout. I just watched the first

1:10:09

episode last night I loved it our boy, mcclock

1:10:11

comes in and I gotta watch it. Yeah, I

1:10:13

know he's good This segways into what I've been

1:10:15

watching where I caught up on over this weekend

1:10:19

X-men 97 What

1:10:22

is that? singer Brian

1:10:24

singers X-men no, oh no

1:10:26

what's Okay,

1:10:28

the X-men animated series from the 90s. Okay

1:10:31

ended its original run Well,

1:10:35

Kevin Feige from Marvel brought

1:10:37

back the original series with like half

1:10:39

of the original voice cast as an

1:10:42

animated series Oh on Disney Plus. It's

1:10:44

called X-men 97 I'm

1:10:47

not fucking kidding. Oh it

1:10:50

is So

1:10:53

much better than it needs

1:10:55

to be and should be why

1:10:57

and it's Fucking

1:11:00

good. It is so

1:11:02

well written so Well

1:11:05

animated for like a 90s

1:11:10

Throwback cartoon it

1:11:12

is so

1:11:14

fucking good episode 5 of Of

1:11:19

this show had my jaw

1:11:21

on the floor and Kate

1:11:23

was we were both Welling

1:11:26

up with tears. Oh my god. How

1:11:28

I want to experience It

1:11:34

was as good as any

1:11:36

great like comic movie no

1:11:40

It was so fucking good X-men 97 if

1:11:42

you guys are holding out if your comic

1:11:44

book nerds And you haven't gotten around to

1:11:46

it yet. It is good It's

1:11:50

shockingly good. I love that.

1:11:52

Yeah, you're wild and kind of hot.

1:11:54

There's some sexy stuff in it Wow,

1:11:56

what are you guys? collecting You

1:11:59

know a great way to turn talk to each other is over

1:12:01

on our Patreon because you have access to our Discord,

1:12:03

which is part of our Bigfoot community. That's right. But

1:12:05

we're curious as to what you're collecting as well. Let

1:12:07

us know. Yeah. Speaking

1:12:09

of the other side, we're going to head over there right now to

1:12:12

talk about another old-timey

1:12:15

monster that was making their rounds during the

1:12:17

early age of the Jersey Devil in a

1:12:20

special companion series for the Steve Dye of

1:12:22

a companion episode, I should say. If we

1:12:24

don't see you over there, we'll see you

1:12:26

back here next week for an all-new episode

1:12:29

of BCC. Until then, good night.

1:12:32

And go get regressed. Yeah.

1:12:36

There it is. The

1:12:38

sounds of pie. I

1:12:41

like it. It's like

1:12:43

Simon Says. It

1:12:46

is like a English, children's

1:12:48

English cartoon or

1:12:50

show. I love it. I dig it. case

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