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1:10

It's Bigfoot Collectors Club With

1:13

Bryce, Michael, and Ivan I

1:20

know a story of high strangeness or

1:22

two Ha

1:25

ha ha ha Let's do this Hey

1:28

everyone and welcome to Bigfoot Collectors Club

1:31

The show where we talk to amazing

1:33

guests About their personal paranormal

1:35

history and share stories of high strangeness

1:38

I'm your host Michael McMillan With me tonight

1:40

and only with me tonight is your other host Bryce Johnson

1:43

Super producer Riley Bray is off

1:46

in the rock and roll cosmos

1:48

right now He's on tour with Tomy I

1:52

think

1:53

they might be done by the time you guys

1:55

hear this But if you live on the west coast Go

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to name Tomi

2:00

on Instagram and just make sure that

2:03

they aren't playing somewhere near you right now

2:05

because you do not want to miss that

2:07

show. It's fantastic. Tomi's,

2:10

Pam from Tomi's Rad, Riley's

2:12

Rad, Bands Rad, you got to go.

2:15

Uh, greed. He's just nodding

2:17

and saying, okay, great. Hi, Brant,

2:19

how are you? I'm great, man.

2:23

I can't say enough cool things about that, Tomi,

2:25

man. I'm going with you guys down there last

2:28

the time at the, was it Whiskey a Go-Go

2:30

on Sunset? No, we were down at the Troubadour.

2:34

The Troubadour, okay, great. I hadn't been

2:37

out like that in a long time. They were so

2:39

fantastic. I'm

2:42

going to try and describe their sound. It was like this

2:44

sort of, I described it like a Cheryl

2:46

Crow but with a punkier vibe and everything

2:49

was so catchy and such

2:52

a rad sound coming out

2:54

of those three. I loved it. Great.

2:57

All right. Well, I want to get to our guests because we have

2:59

such an amazing guest. Our club scouts are going to be

3:01

so excited. If they don't know this guy

3:03

already, they're going to be very, very excited to know

3:06

him now. But real quick,

3:08

why don't we check in with the club scouts who've been following

3:10

the show on their favorite podcast app and dropping us

3:12

five star reviews on Amazon

3:15

this month. Remember Riley asked us to get some

3:17

Amazon reviews. Bryce, who

3:20

is our five star club scout of the

3:22

week? Yeah,

3:23

well this comes from Amy L who gives

3:25

it five out of five stars.

3:27

Cracks me up.

3:28

This podcast is fantastic.

3:31

I look forward to it each week and I'm a Patreon

3:33

supporter doing my part to help keep

3:35

these three hilarious guys on the air.

3:38

The episodes are engaging. The guests are interesting

3:40

and often super funny. I love Riley's

3:43

music too. It's perfect for when I'm working

3:45

in my studio and need to focus. I

3:47

recommend the BCC highly.

3:50

Thanks Amy. Thank you

3:53

Amy L. We love you. And

3:57

hey, you're our only five star Amazon

3:59

reviews. So the rest of you club scouts get over

4:01

there to Amazon music and drop us a review.

4:04

Why don't you? Nice. Excellent.

4:07

Otherwise you're just going to be reading the same one all month

4:09

long. Well, Michael will do it too. I've

4:11

seen him do it. Yep. All right. Well,

4:14

let's get to it. Our guest this week is an actor

4:16

and host of the podcast. Hi, Strangeness. Club

4:19

scouts of all timelines, please welcome

4:21

Steve Berg to the program. Hi,

4:24

Steve. Hi, friend. How are you

4:26

doing? Thanks for having me. Very happy to be

4:28

here. And you know what? We are friends

4:31

because Steve, whether

4:33

you like it or not, after tonight, you

4:35

will be my friends because I've

4:37

been listening to Hi, Strangeness and I've

4:40

developed a parasocial relationship with you.

4:43

And now we're buddies.

4:45

You're going to have to accept it or not.

4:48

Oh, accepted. Accepted. You

4:50

know, gladly. I've been listening. You

4:53

all show for a long time. So I mean, it

4:55

is weird when you listen to other people's podcasts and then you

4:57

meet them. You're like, but I already know you. I guess

4:59

I don't. But you know, I'm saying like I've taken

5:02

you guys on many walks and, you know,

5:04

working in my garden. So, uh, oh,

5:06

thank you. Oh, wow. I love

5:08

it. I love that we've been in your garden. Now you, you

5:10

are in the Midwest, correct?

5:13

I am. I lived in L.A. for 20 years.

5:16

And during the pandemic, uh, I

5:18

kind of freaked out because my parents were here by

5:20

themselves and, uh, they're older. They're

5:22

like 80. So I was like, dude, I

5:24

should just buy a house in Omaha because they're basically free.

5:27

And, uh, they moved back here. And so

5:29

I just kind of go back and forth between

5:31

Omaha and L.A. I love it. And

5:34

you're, you're in good big

5:36

sky country. I grew up in Kansas

5:38

just south of you by a few hours. Where

5:40

in Kansas? Uh, Olathe, Kansas. So

5:42

just in the suburbs of near Overland Park

5:45

outside of Kansas City. I have many friends that

5:47

went there. I went to the University of Kansas. I'm a Jayhawk.

5:49

Oh my God. I knew we were going to like

5:51

each other. Bryce, you can just sign

5:54

out if you want to. Come back for high streams

5:56

now. I'm close too. I got some family out

5:58

there in Sioux City, which is really. really close to Omaha.

6:01

When I go back there, you fly into Omaha. Sure, that's

6:03

really close. Yeah, that's true. You

6:05

know, one of my, there's a great UFO case from

6:07

the 1800s from Sioux City. Oh,

6:10

well it's here. Would you remember off the top of your

6:12

head? Do you know, it's, now I can't remember

6:14

the guy's name, but anyways, he was a farmer, he was

6:16

on this field, and he sees this like,

6:18

kind of like flying airship above him, and they

6:20

shoot, the airship shoots down a like

6:23

rope with a hook. Oh yes. Hook,

6:25

hook, you know that one, you know, somebody in the trouser. Yeah,

6:27

yeah. Didn't it get stuck in a church

6:30

or something like that? They say like part of like

6:32

the, I think part

6:35

of the, at the end of the rope, there might have been like an

6:37

anchor or something, and didn't it get like lodged

6:39

into such a crazy

6:42

story? Buddy, it is, and

6:44

I'm trying to locate that damn anchor, and if I find

6:46

it, I'll fly you guys out for an expedition.

6:48

That's wild. I got to tell everyone listening.

6:51

So Steve's the real, he's the real,

6:53

real deal. You are clearly

6:56

having listened to now five,

6:58

six episodes of the show, I'm getting caught up. You

7:00

are clearly well versed

7:03

in high strangeness. You've, I

7:05

know from your show that you've been into this for a very

7:07

long time. So let's get in

7:10

right to it. Let's jump right in.

7:12

Yeah. Steve, what is your personal paranormal

7:15

history? How did you get into this stuff?

7:17

And have you ever had a, an

7:21

experience that you can't explain? Okay.

7:25

Well, gosh, great questions. So I kind of got

7:27

into it, but really young, my mom

7:29

was a school teacher, so she took me to get a library

7:31

card and I came

7:33

back with like a Billy Meyer picture book of like host

7:35

UFO photos. But Billy

7:38

Meyer stuff, it's really beautiful, you know, like

7:40

the sunsets and the Swiss, they're gorgeous

7:42

looking. Tell everyone we've not done an episode

7:44

yet on Billy Meyer. I can't believe it. It's

7:47

been six years and we still haven't, but

7:50

let everyone at home know about

7:52

Billy Meyer. Well he, so

7:54

he was this, you know, contactee

7:56

allegedly. I think that like he

7:59

started putting out photos. in the stories in the late 60s

8:01

but he would he had

8:03

these magnificent photos of these like

8:05

you know metal hunks of metal

8:08

flying saucer classic like 50s

8:10

style the flying saucers that we all

8:12

love you know yeah we call

8:14

them classic saucers we're CS

8:16

a real yeah yeah I'm

8:19

old-school give me a sauce I'm a saucer guy

8:22

but you so he was having all these experiences

8:24

and like you know full-on contact the experiences

8:27

I remember there was a book that he had where he

8:29

shows you see half of

8:32

the UFO occupant in like a horrible

8:35

cheesy costume holding like a ray gun so you

8:38

know obviously I think people caught on pretty quick

8:41

that this guy was taking people for

8:43

a ride you know I'm saying but uh I

8:46

still had this affinity like because sometimes

8:48

I look at hoaxers as like performance art so

8:52

long story short I

8:55

checked out that book anyway and then it's

8:58

just kind of from there and out through my childhood

9:00

I was you know and probably like a lot

9:02

of you guys you know like check reading every ghost

9:04

book you found in your grade school or Bigfoot

9:07

book or UFO book and it just never

9:09

stopped I just kept on going and going and

9:11

by time I was like in middle

9:14

school I was going to UFO conferences by myself

9:16

and I love it you know

9:18

I was like really like sure

9:21

about it like there at the time yeah

9:24

I was you know total weirdo

9:26

man but I love like a secret life I was like a jock

9:29

so like football yeah guys right

9:31

off the buffet mama buff drink beer and

9:34

then I would sneak out to a UFO conference like

9:37

in shame you know like how old my

9:39

secret how old were you when

9:41

you joined move on well

9:43

I tried to when I was like in high school

9:46

but then they gave me a bunch of flex I was there

9:48

like why do you want to join move on I was like well I just want to be an

9:50

investigator dog you know like right hook

9:52

me up with some kind of like Geiger counter and send

9:54

me off I'm Richie you know

9:57

yeah like why do you care like don't you

9:59

be members like come

10:02

on yeah yeah honestly I was kind of like

10:04

fuck it dude so like you know they they

10:07

they kind of gave me some flack I think about being a teenager

10:10

whatever now it's like I'm out later you know I'll

10:12

need you guys but you know then like college

10:15

comes around and you start you know worrying

10:17

about girls and partying

10:19

and going to like guided by voices concerts

10:21

and so you forget about UFOs down at the bottleneck

10:25

dude yes I literally thought I got it

10:27

by voices at the bottleneck of course you did oh

10:29

man that's great the best and but yeah

10:35

then I moved to LA and when I came to LA

10:38

I got really excited because

10:40

in California they have everything

10:42

there's so many conferences I would we'd go to

10:45

this church in Studio City for

10:47

these like monthly you pars meetings

10:49

where they'd have like you know Nick Redford

10:52

and like you know more head come and speak

10:54

and I was like there'd be like 40 yeah

10:56

a Methodist Church like off

10:59

more park I wasn't on

11:01

this email list otherwise I would have been

11:03

there right I would go all the

11:05

time and I would you know truth

11:07

be told I was just like getting baked in my car

11:10

and just like rolling in there thinking like

11:12

a skunk and loving life yes

11:16

you know it's great how

11:18

was uh how was Nick Redfern

11:20

like we have not had him on the show I'd

11:22

love to get him on the show but there's there's

11:25

a little fear with some of these people where you're like

11:28

I'm a little afraid of me I don't want them to destroy

11:30

the illusion I know he was

11:32

so nice like really nice I even

11:34

got like a picture with him because like those people

11:37

even though like you know you work in LA and like

11:39

the film and TV business and stuff and you are like

11:41

even if you live in LA you're around a lot celebrities no

11:43

matter what but after a while

11:45

that sort of wears off but like paranormal

11:48

ufological like

11:51

I guess personalities like really get me starstruck

11:54

around Nick Redford oh god

11:56

I would like you know a

11:58

little Beatles girl You know like it was

12:01

amazing the most excited I ever went

12:03

was was when I saw Grant

12:06

Morrison talk at meltdown Back

12:08

before meltdown still existed and I was

12:10

like the most starstruck I've ever been

12:13

in my entire life Grant Morrison's awesome,

12:15

dude. I would be too. Yeah, they're the best

12:17

they're the coolest So

12:20

have you had any experience that

12:22

you can't explain or have you been on

12:24

the search of one of those? No,

12:27

I sadly I have not and I

12:29

have been one of those You know, I was

12:32

one of those kids one of those adults even now.

12:34

I'm always trying to put myself in a position to Find

12:38

like there I've been researching a lot of like weirdly.

12:40

There's a lot of kind of Bigfoot action in Eastern,

12:42

Nebraska Really? Yeah,

12:45

and like going back like a long

12:47

ways in like newspapers. I found like cases

12:49

from you know The late, you know

12:52

or late 1800s, which is wild But

12:56

I will go out to these places just to try

12:58

to feel the vibe of what

13:00

was happening And so I'm always kind of like

13:03

putting myself in positions I feel to

13:05

go to hot spots and try to experience stuff

13:08

and I mean, I'm not maybe that sincere about it I'm not like taking

13:10

Geiger counters or doing rituals or anything. But

13:12

you know, but yeah Trying

13:16

to man, you know like As

13:18

much as I possibly can you know because it would

13:21

be really cool to experience something

13:23

yet I don't need to just still

13:25

be interested in this stuff When

13:27

you when you go out to these destinations to check

13:30

them out like what you're not bringing

13:32

in equipment It sounds like but what are

13:34

you doing once you get out there? Usually

13:37

I'm really well first

13:39

off. I plan a very great lunch. So

13:48

I Cries

13:51

out there maybe a little potatoes now,

13:53

you know a nice, you know pretty soon They're gonna

13:55

be like have you seen the

13:57

picnic man of Every

14:01

now and then you'll catch him out there. He

14:03

calls out, he's like, I'm ready for

14:05

company. Like, you know,

14:09

I've got lunch for two. I've got lunch

14:11

for two over here. Yeah,

14:13

but what do I do? I

14:16

just honestly, what I do is I take like my GoPro

14:19

out there and I kind of summarize like what

14:21

happened or the account. My

14:24

big plan was to take a bunch of these videos and

14:26

then like edit them and release them. Like I can't

14:29

edit very well. Fair enough. So

14:31

I'm actually having someone do it for me because I've taken so

14:33

much footage, especially because

14:35

like, you know, it's been like a weird three years

14:37

with the pandemic and then these like back

14:40

to back strikes. Like

14:41

it's been, work has been funky, man. So

14:44

yeah. You know, for a lot of our listeners

14:46

who might not have heard your podcast,

14:48

I only heard it for the first time today and

14:51

you had the guest

14:53

Joshua Kuchin on who

14:55

wrote where the footprint ends and we talk about

14:58

him a lot. But oh my gosh, listening

15:00

to you guys on the show. Yeah. Listening

15:02

to you guys talk back and forth and parlay

15:05

these these high strangeness

15:07

theories and you guys were both so on top

15:09

of it and and poignant and in depth

15:11

into all this stuff. So so when you're going

15:13

out to these places, you're probably looking at

15:16

it from a fresh perspective

15:18

as well as just sort of telling the facts

15:21

of what happened. But coming at it from

15:23

this angle of like, you know, I heard

15:25

you guys are so open to all these ideas

15:27

that somehow this phenomenon connects,

15:30

especially back to old fairy lore and

15:32

and it could be happening today. And

15:35

and can you talk a little bit about

15:37

sort of, you know, that the perspective

15:39

you bring to these places you visit?

15:41

Yeah. Well, thanks for noticing that because I know that

15:44

you're you kind of nailed how I feel

15:46

or what excites me about these 40 topics,

15:49

because I I do see

15:52

so many patterns and motifs that

15:55

have repeated itself throughout

15:57

history. And then just even within

15:59

the phenomenon. You know like of of

16:02

paranormal and cryptozoology and ufology

16:05

I mean if you can take like lights for example like

16:08

orbs of light are seen in Conjunction

16:11

with all weird stuff right it's inside

16:13

of a house Well, it's a ghost if it's

16:15

in the air It's a UFO if you see

16:17

an orange orb when people see have a Bigfoot

16:19

sighting right? It's a big word

16:22

It's a platform of big it's a plasma

16:25

tummy ball Yeah, so I mean

16:27

like I think I I think there's

16:29

so many of these things that are like

16:31

You know even like with UFOs and big fight think Josh

16:33

and I probably talked about this but like, you know Bigfoot

16:37

is always seen crossing the road or

16:39

like, you know, like almost getting hit by a car

16:41

There's always these like apparitions by the

16:43

road There's so many cases especially

16:45

in the 50s 60s and 70s and 80s in

16:48

UFOs. They're in the middle of roads Yeah

16:51

so there's these kind of ancient motifs

16:53

like, you know means of travel like

16:55

I feel like The idea

16:57

of liminality kind of being between spaces

17:00

and like, you know A lot of this stuff is the stuff that

17:02

really turns me on so when I go out to a place

17:04

where Bigfoot was supposedly seen I'm

17:07

always looking for is a by a tributary not

17:09

just because of Deer

17:12

water and wildlife stuff but more

17:15

how does it relate to the greater? Phenomenon

17:19

because I do feel like UFOs

17:22

like where where Bigfoot is mostly seen

17:24

in eastern Nebraska.

17:25

It just so happens That is where all

17:28

the most of the other weird stuff is. Hmm

17:31

UFO cases Structured crafts

17:33

lights over the Missouri River wild

17:36

black Panthers being seen in the late 1800s I

17:38

mean like flying winged humanoids

17:41

all kinds of really wild stuff Steve I

17:43

feel a little embarrassed being you know, a sort

17:45

of from that area. Can you tell us like sort

17:48

of this? What the location topographically

17:51

it looks like for for for

17:53

Bigfoot in in what part of Nebraska

17:55

you said Eastern? Well,

17:58

it's like a forested area since they

18:01

are so like tippy top of Nebraska

18:04

on the eastern side all the way down

18:07

to the south runs the Missouri River, which is one

18:09

of the bigger rivers in America. And actually

18:11

Nebraska has I think the set

18:14

aside from Alaska, I think next to Texas,

18:16

the most miles of rivers going through it.

18:19

Wow. So you know, so in all

18:21

over these rivers, people like the Republican River people

18:24

talk about Bigfoot, the Platte River

18:26

people talk about Bigfoot. But a lot of the cases

18:28

I'm looking at are from the Missouri

18:30

River on eastern Nebraska. Gotcha. And

18:34

like you said, it is pretty forested

18:36

now in Nebraska, you know, it is definitely

18:39

like cornfields and farmland for

18:41

a great swath of it. But it does

18:43

have some diversity on its coastal lines

18:45

and stuff like that. So you know,

18:48

I mean, even today, there's, you

18:50

know, on the Omaha Indian reservation and

18:52

the Winnebago reservation, which is kind

18:54

of like in the northern part of the eastern Nebraska.

18:58

They supposedly have interactions with Bigfoot all

19:00

the time. Wow. Like, I think

19:02

Jeffrey Meldrum went out there and some other

19:05

people have been out there. But like they supposedly have

19:07

a not only Bigfoot, but a lot

19:09

of weird stuff. Right, right. I love

19:11

those, those Bigfoot habituation

19:13

cases where they're always the people are like, Oh,

19:16

I see him every day. Oh, he's always out my backyard

19:18

every day. And then a research will come in like, I

19:20

don't know, he was here yesterday. I

19:23

think you might have scared him off. And then the person's

19:25

like, Damn, oh, well, I mean, you've talked

19:27

to a lot of witnesses, I'm guessing, right, Bryce?

19:29

I mean, quite a what if you at this point? Yeah,

19:32

yeah, they're starting to pile up.

19:34

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you ever hear

19:36

some of these weirder aspects, you know, like,

19:38

that

19:39

are associated sometimes with Bigfoot?

19:42

You know, on occasion, people

19:45

will talk about like, how

19:47

track ends or, you

19:50

know, sort of that that quietness that

19:53

that sort of takes over a space

19:55

before an encounter happens. You

19:58

know, there are the sort of strange

20:01

clues and motifs

20:03

as you would say that do sort of show up in

20:06

these Bigfoot encounters with a lot of these

20:08

witnesses. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.

20:10

Oh, it's so interesting. Cool. What

20:12

are some of these favorite places that

20:15

you found? Is there a spot

20:17

that you've gone back to more than once

20:19

because you feel like something's going on here?

20:22

Well, I'm actually,

20:24

you know, I had it's funny.

20:27

I feel funny saying this because I'm like, don't

20:29

do it. This is when we get good stuff.

20:31

I'm really just a professional clown, but

20:34

I kind of like sought out this

20:37

guy who is a bow hunter in

20:39

eastern Nebraska. And he

20:41

had been bow. He's like, you know, third generation bow hunter.

20:43

And he had a very dramatic like

20:46

encounter with like, you know,

20:48

very dark colored Bigfoot creature. And

20:52

like really messed him up. He stopped bow hunting for a while.

20:55

And then I got, I finally gotten ahold

20:57

of him and he got back to me and I, you know, I said, Hey,

20:59

you know, I would love to talk to you about the story

21:02

or maybe like, you know, go out there with you

21:04

or whatever. And he was like, totally

21:06

cool, man. And then he like, called me back the next

21:08

day. He was like, you're trying to trick me. You're trying,

21:11

you're a comedian. He like looked me up on

21:13

drunk history and shit. So he thought

21:16

I was like trying to like punk him or something. So

21:19

then I had to convince him. I was like legit.

21:21

Anyways, he takes me out there. And

21:24

this guy first up is not trying to get famous. He's

21:26

not like posting on Facebook, clearly.

21:28

But he took me out to the place where he has

21:31

had these, he's been whooped out. He said, after

21:33

we saw this creature, been blessed

21:35

charged, he said. But he

21:38

took me out to this area and there were like,

21:41

I mean, I feel weird saying it, these pretty dramatic

21:44

stick structures. Okay,

21:46

like X giant logs.

21:48

I mean, like so much so to where he would

21:50

have had to do so much work and

21:53

have buddies help him with like ropes and pulleys to

21:55

just do this for me alone. Right,

21:57

right. So, you know, what do you do

22:00

with all this stuff, you know, I kind of feel like

22:03

I believe that he believes what he's telling me

22:05

for sure. You know, I don't think he

22:07

had two guns on him when I'm not a big gun

22:09

guy. I was like, Oh God, what's happening? What am I doing?

22:12

This guy's a stranger. I'm in a cornfield. And

22:15

it doesn't sound like he likes comedians. No,

22:17

he does. I was really questioning my life decisions

22:20

at that point. But you know, interesting. And

22:22

so I follow up with him probably every

22:24

three months. And I'm like, Hey, man, anything

22:26

when you've been out hunting, he's like, Yeah, I got bluff charge,

22:29

dude. I'm like, Whoa, okay. Wow.

22:32

I feel like these tree

22:34

structures don't necessarily

22:36

always translate to the screen. I

22:40

love big. I love Expedition Bigfoot.

22:42

And I always love it when you guys come across those

22:45

on the show, Bryce. But for

22:47

for two, I'm talking to two guys that have seen these

22:50

before. What makes them so impressive?

22:53

Steve, what about the ones in Nebraska? I'll

22:56

tell you what. Just looking

22:58

at, I quickly realized this

23:00

was something that if I wanted to, granted,

23:04

I'm not an engineer, I don't have a lot of like, technical

23:06

ingenuity, but I'm a pretty big dude.

23:09

I'm like six, four, you know, 260. Like, and

23:11

while I'm not like a bodybuilder, like, I

23:14

look at these structures, like, there's no way

23:16

I could do this by myself. And then I think to myself,

23:18

like, if I had another, a strong buddy

23:20

with me, could we do it? I'm like,

23:22

maybe, but I kind of doubt it, you

23:24

know, like, and also the time

23:27

it would have taken to do this because

23:30

a lot of these pictures, there would be like a

23:32

hundred sticks made that looked like almost

23:34

like a little like lean to. And

23:37

I actually talked to the farmer who owns this

23:39

land. He owns thousands of acres, right? And

23:43

he said, one, he's never seen a big

23:45

foot on his property. But he also said that

23:47

area where you guys were, I've never been

23:49

there. I own a thousand acres. There's

23:52

a lot of parts of my property I never see. Like,

23:55

you can't walk all that. But another thing he

23:58

did, he was like, well, I never saw a big foot on his property. bigfoot

24:00

but I have seen the purple lights. I'm like what

24:02

do you mean? Purple lights my man my man and

24:04

he goes well you know I'm uh my you

24:07

know grandfather owned this land and my dad did

24:09

now I have it and they always told me about the purple lights

24:12

and I see him too. I'm like what do you I'm you know.

24:14

Oh interesting. So I thought that was interesting. Purple

24:17

lights in the sky from the

24:19

woods where they said they would well

24:21

he actually just kind of pointed when he said they kind of floated

24:23

over like a hill. There was like a hill part where

24:26

we're staying. It's like they would just kind of float over the hill and

24:28

float over the hill and then go away. It

24:30

seems like such a like

24:32

a local phenomenon right like the purple

24:34

lights of that certain area like uh like yeah

24:37

you're right. So wild.

24:39

It is wild and like that and that's the thing like

24:41

that part of Missouri River which is you know if you go like 15

24:44

miles east that's right where the

24:46

Missouri River is. And

24:49

that's kind of the area where people have been seeing lights

24:51

seeing wild men and you

24:53

know all kinds of crazy

24:55

weird I love this Steve because

24:57

you're kind of becoming a budding

25:00

tenny in Nebraska how

25:02

John tenny's always looking at Michigan

25:06

folklore and Michigan stuff going on

25:08

there. Yeah. Like have you found

25:11

any history of purple lights

25:13

in that area? Only other

25:16

people. So there's this researcher

25:19

he's kind of quasi-famous in the UFO

25:21

world I would say his name is Ray Beaucher

25:24

and Nick Redford wrote a book called Final Events and

25:26

Ray is kind of the protagonist of that but

25:29

also the whole I don't know if you've ever heard the Bentwaters case

25:31

in England the UFO case where the

25:34

military saw this craft land who knows if

25:36

it's real or not. Anyway he kind of broke

25:38

that story. Long story short. Bentwater case.

25:40

Ray has been Ray has been

25:43

the probably the biggest you

25:45

know like collector of Nebraska high

25:48

strangeness stories going back to like

25:50

the 60s and so he lived

25:52

in that area and so he's been kind of like in a weird

25:55

way like a guy who

25:57

hit me to a lot of the stuff I wasn't fighting

25:59

on the internet. He's like look here and they

26:01

would send me all these old newspaper clips. Oh,

26:04

wow. Love that crazy I did not

26:06

did not get that on Google So it's

26:08

one of those things to where kind of like I've realized

26:11

how limiting the internet is in terms

26:13

of doing research Yeah, he gives you

26:15

like a little flop that you can't

26:17

use. He's like, here you go kid Well,

26:24

that's that's also like think about

26:26

all of I mean microfiche is one thing But

26:29

like think about all the data that's stored on

26:31

like VHS tapes or floppy

26:33

disks price I mean you joke like

26:36

think of it. There could be evidence out there

26:38

Oh are so much lost speaking that we

26:40

can't access anymore because

26:43

we have no way to get to it Yeah,

26:46

and no one cares to upload the stuff. So I

26:48

think I feel like people think

26:50

like if you have a subscription to newspapers

26:52

comm which I do which is a great resource

26:54

to Look into stuff. It's

26:57

just they don't have everything You know what

26:59

I'm saying? And like the best

27:02

resources I found at least in Nebraska

27:04

in Iowa where I kind of peek around to is

27:06

calling historical societies I'm small towns

27:09

and librarians. Yeah, I have so

27:11

many librarians like work kind of working with

27:13

me Yeah, I love a lot of emote like oh, I

27:15

found this, you know, like, you

27:17

know crop circle case from 1987 I'm

27:20

like, wow nice. Yeah Yeah,

27:22

that's the way to do it how how

27:26

close are you to getting

27:28

a trench coat and Maybe

27:30

start dressing in like 1960s suits

27:32

when you go out brother is

27:35

I'm dangerously close like You

27:38

know like I actually like, you know if

27:40

I if if I could do anything in

27:42

our world It would just it would just be to wake

27:44

up every morning and like go do boots

27:47

on the ground research I think you're on your way. Oh, man,

27:50

it doesn't pay No, it doesn't

27:53

but you're on your way there poverty,

27:56

bro So

28:01

I know we got it. We got to move on here and

28:03

this I'm asking a deadly question,

28:05

but just cuz I'm curious because you're

28:08

You're a man of imagination

28:10

and you're a man who's passionate about the subject

28:13

if you had to give sort of a two-minute

28:15

pitch on what you think is The

28:19

phenomenon what would it what would

28:21

it be the phenomenon of

28:23

Bigfoot or everything? Bigfoot UFOs

28:25

goes how it's like what is what's happening

28:28

out there? At least in your mind

28:30

at this point in time. Maybe today you're like, I

28:32

don't know But you know if

28:34

you could give your elevator pitch of like what's really

28:37

going on out there what you think it is Oh my

28:39

god, this is gonna get into some dorm

28:41

room bong hit territory. But here we go.

28:43

I sort of see this

28:47

stuff, you know kind of as co-created

28:51

by us In like in

28:53

that doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe in

28:55

like the nuts and bolts possibility of

28:58

UFOs in Bigfoot I'm not discounting

29:00

that at all, but I think There

29:03

is something that requires

29:05

our co-creation with a lot of this stuff

29:08

And I think maybe it may not even

29:10

be like another Intelligence

29:13

how we think of like, you know non-human

29:15

intelligence, but it may be a piece of technology

29:17

that is Running in concert

29:20

with the earth and it just projects different

29:22

things Where we are evolutionary,

29:24

you know, if it's you know, the 1600s

29:26

in Ireland, well, it's gonna be fairies and

29:30

You know if it's you know in the Ho Chi

29:32

Minh dynasty era what's gonna be flying

29:34

shields in the sky? Mm-hmm, and if it's

29:36

in the 20th century in the 1940s would

29:38

work, you know thinking about going to space It's gonna

29:41

be aliens from you know another planet and

29:44

now it's interesting because a lot of this stuff is

29:46

it's kind of over Dimensional but what

29:48

does that even mean? You know, are there even we don't even

29:50

know through further dimensions. That's a theory The

29:53

thing is like I think it's the greatest mystery

29:56

in the world and I think part

29:59

of the phenomenon It's teaching us and showing

30:01

us

30:02

stuff from maybe mythology

30:05

and folklore.

30:06

Yeah. I think there's a real reality to it. The

30:08

way I'm describing it is terrible because it sounds

30:10

like, no, I mean, that goes

30:12

a lot of stuff that we've also talked about here. Yeah.

30:15

No, no, no. I'm getting in some Carl Jungian

30:17

type of, you know, kind of areas, but that's how

30:19

I feel about it. I think it's sort of a, yeah,

30:23

I think it's kind of an amalgamation of our collective

30:25

unconscious that is physical

30:28

and non-physical at the same time. Yeah. I

30:30

like, I like you said

30:33

on a recent episode that it may have

30:35

been the one with a Kutchin about,

30:37

you know, this seems to be an instrument to keep

30:40

us thinking and evolving and

30:42

imagining what the possibilities are

30:45

out there and keep questioning reality.

30:47

And that's something that we've definitely talked about on the

30:49

show. Mm-hmm. Well, I also loved how you

30:52

said the paranormal,

30:52

just, you know, being involved in the paranormal

30:55

and, and looking into this stuff has, has

30:57

a way of enchanting your life and infusing

31:00

magic into one's life. And I, and

31:02

I just love that idea because life

31:04

can feel so dull, but when you accept the

31:07

mystery that some of these things are offering

31:09

to us, it does add this enchantment

31:11

to your life. It can feel magical at

31:13

moments when it can otherwise not,

31:16

you know, I love that. Yeah, I, I, I

31:18

totally agree. Thank you, man. And I do

31:20

feel strongly that way because

31:22

I recently heard a friend of mine named

31:24

Ren Collier recently was just saying in a

31:27

piece he wrote that the

31:29

future is wack, man, or like, you

31:31

know, the world is so crazy that if

31:34

you don't program your own life, they're

31:36

going to program, someone's going to program one for

31:38

you. And that kind of scared me when I read it. And

31:41

I want to live like a pretty positive life

31:43

and be like good to my friends and family, but

31:45

I also want to chase mystery because

31:48

chasing mystery is how

31:50

you end up being coming a better reader, a better

31:52

researcher, a better person.

31:55

You kind of get out of your comfort zone. Like, even

31:57

though I live in Omaha, Nebraska, it's still like a city,

31:59

you know. There's like a million people here. If

32:02

I didn't like this stuff, I wouldn't go out to like rural

32:05

small towns. And when you go out to rural small

32:07

towns, like, you know, being a city boy my

32:09

whole life, you really see another side

32:11

of human beings, you know? And like, even

32:13

though we have a lot, I mean, I don't know, I'm saying really hippy

32:16

dippy here, but. No. I do think,

32:19

enchanting your life is a way to have an adventurous

32:21

life and to chase mystery. And I think

32:23

what could be a more positive thing to

32:25

do? I think that's beautiful.

32:28

That's a great moment to take a quick

32:30

pause and we'll be right back with more Steve Berg.

32:33

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36:20

Okay, Steve, you're not getting out of here without

36:22

playing a game that we play with all of

36:24

our guests. You

36:56

know, you're an actor, you need a little motivation to be together.

37:00

Alright, you're

37:02

in a warehouse, they've yanked the black hood off

37:04

of your head. Oh god, no! They've surrounded

37:07

you, and now they're... And

37:09

now they want to know what you think. Okay, I love

37:11

this. Alright, here we go, this is a game we call Bullshit

37:14

or Believe It.

37:16

Steve Berg, on your mark, get

37:19

set,

37:20

ghosts. Believe it.

37:23

Bigfoot. Believe it. UFOs.

37:26

Vampires. Don't believe bullshit.

37:29

Werewolves.

37:31

Bullshit. Is that the same thing as Dog

37:33

Man?

37:34

No. Okay, them as one? No? Okay,

37:37

I'm gonna say... So

37:39

I'm gonna say bullshit to the poor girls. Okay, hold

37:41

on, quit, keep stalling, I pulled up the wrong

37:43

list and I don't know why I did this, hold on. No,

37:46

no, no. This is the

37:48

first time I've ruined my own game. No, that's

37:50

okay, we'll fill this space. I was doing

37:53

the zombie Bigfoot list. The difference between,

37:55

I think, a werewolf and Dog Man is that

37:57

werewolf starts as a man and turns into a

37:59

werewolf.

37:59

Wolf as the full moon at night

38:02

and a dog man We don't we don't we don't even

38:04

know if they ever were human even though

38:06

sometimes they are reported seeing Wearing

38:09

some type of like clothes or pelt or

38:11

something whatever they're wearing We don't know if they were ever

38:14

the lore as they were never human that we just know

38:16

them to be these dog like

38:18

canine Cryptids

38:21

you absolutely you nailed it you nailed it. That's

38:23

exactly what the difference is and they're you're right.

38:25

You're right I mean they are different deals. All

38:28

right, I'm back in was a man

38:30

that's watch I Don't

38:35

know enough I'll say bullshit hairy

38:37

alien UFO knots Believe

38:40

it the beast of Galvadon Believe

38:42

it goat man. Believe it Momo

38:45

believe it the yowie believe it

38:47

the Jersey devil Fuck

38:51

believe it mystery big cats Believe

38:54

it Sasquatch believe it Bigfoot

38:57

bodies were recovered after the eruption of Mount Saint

38:59

Helens I want to believe it by think

39:01

bullshit Bigfoot creatures have penetrated the

39:03

subterranean infrastructure of Edwards Air Force

39:05

Base You

39:09

could outsmart a werewolf bullshit

39:13

interdimensional Sasquatch Believe

39:15

it telepathic Sasquatch believe

39:17

it invisible Sasquatch believe it Bigfoot

39:20

looks blurry in every photo because he is blurry

39:23

Finally in our original timeline the famous Bears

39:25

family last name was spelled Berenstain not

39:28

Berenstain a Bullshit

39:31

man, it was Berenstain Well

39:36

done that one is weird though, right

39:38

I mean, what were you guys on the Berenstain? I'm

39:41

a Berenstain since day one

39:43

because I have a specific memory questioning

39:46

this being like as I was

39:49

learning to read and I looked at

39:51

the title of the book and I Asked my

39:53

mom. I was like wait Why are they

39:55

called the Berenstain Bears, but it's spelled

39:58

this way and she's like, that's just how they spell spell

40:00

their name. Okay. Okay. That's

40:02

interesting. I bet you, I mean like that's, that's

40:04

probably what it is. We all called it that, but

40:06

it was spelled. Yeah. And we couldn't

40:09

read at the time. We were too young,

40:11

most of us. Did you just,

40:13

you just destroyed the Mandela

40:16

effect for me. I was in that timeline

40:18

to begin with. And I'm

40:20

from the ultimate time.

40:23

That's likely. Um,

40:26

yeah, you think those bodies amount to St. Helens

40:29

probably didn't, didn't happen. Right. I would love

40:31

that to be true, but it's just, I, other

40:33

side from a story, I just don't know

40:36

how, it's a great story. It seems

40:38

like one of those 90, early 90s internet. Like,

40:41

yeah, like message board forums. I remember

40:44

hearing about it and go, dude, really? Yeah.

40:46

That's some early, that's some like 90s, early

40:49

90s coast to coast fodder for me. Yeah.

40:52

That's exactly where it probably came from. Yeah. That

40:54

is back again. That's when, that's

40:56

an example of when conspiracy theories were fun.

40:59

Yes. You're totally right. Yeah. All right.

41:01

Well, it's time for this week's story of high strangeness.

41:04

I'm going to pass the, uh, proverbial baton

41:06

over to your other host, Bryce Johnson.

41:08

Bryce, what do you got for us tonight? Great. Love

41:10

it. Can't wait.

41:11

Well, it's happening for UFOs,

41:14

but can it happen

41:16

for Bigfoot and his buddies? I'm

41:18

talking of course about Bigfoot

41:20

disclosure. Yeah.

41:23

Sure. Everyone knows about UFO

41:25

disclosure, which they call just, well,

41:27

regular old disclosure, uh,

41:30

which we're seeing play out before our very

41:32

eyes sort of, but what

41:34

about the idea that the government knows

41:37

more than they're letting on about

41:39

our gigantic, we walked right into this one. Yes,

41:41

you did. Upright walking furry

41:44

friends of the forest. Bigfoot prompting

41:46

us as a society to rally the cry.

41:49

Show us that big fee. Come

41:51

on, Mike. Give me a rally cry. Steve, you too.

41:54

Cool. Come on. Show us. I

41:56

want to see some big

41:57

feet. We are American.

41:59

and we deserve the truth. I paid taxes

42:02

and I want to know what is going on with all

42:04

those big faith. There's children walking in that forest.

42:06

I've been bluff-charged six times

42:08

on my property and I've seen purple lights.

42:11

Well there you go. Well before

42:14

the bombshell New York Times article,

42:16

glowing auras and black money, the Pentagon's

42:19

mysterious UFO program broke

42:21

in December of 2017, UFOs

42:24

were still pretty much fringe.

42:26

I mean if I told you back then that all the

42:28

major news media outlets

42:29

and even our own government

42:32

would be taking the UFO topic very

42:34

seriously, you probably would have laughed

42:36

in my face. But it happened.

42:39

It's happening. But

42:41

you could hold, but could that hold

42:43

true for Bigfoot as well? Perhaps

42:46

one day on the front page of the New York Times,

42:49

there will read a headline that says, Walking

42:51

Giants in Black Money, the Pentagon's

42:54

Mysterious Bigfoot Program. So

42:57

let's examine what it would take

42:59

for Bigfoot to go mainstream

43:02

like UFOs have recently. So

43:04

we can finally

43:05

get us some of that long-awaited, highly

43:08

anticipated, sweet, sweet

43:11

Bigfoot disclosure. Let's

43:13

go.

43:14

The way I see it, one of the first

43:17

things Bigfoot would need in order for

43:19

the people to demand Bigfoot disclosure

43:22

would be some type of large-scale

43:24

secret government cover-up. A

43:27

cover-up that the

43:29

public is well aware of and highly

43:31

suspicious about. The UFOs

43:33

have one, and it's a big one, you

43:36

guessed it, the Roswell incident, where

43:38

in July of 47, a flying saucer from

43:41

outer space crashed somewhere in the New Mexican

43:44

desert where it was discovered by

43:46

a

43:46

rancher and covertly retrieved

43:48

by the local Army Air Force and

43:50

taken back to the nearby base. The

43:53

event was reported to the Roswell Daily

43:55

Record, which splashed a front page headline

43:57

that read, RAAF captures

43:59

a

43:59

flying saucer on ranch in Roswell

44:02

region.

44:03

However, that original story was

44:05

officially retracted by Uncle

44:07

Sam the next day by explaining

44:09

to the general public that all those intelligence

44:12

officers simply made a boo-boo

44:14

by mistaking the weather balloon for

44:17

a piloted alien spacecraft.

44:19

Whoopsies! And with that,

44:22

a cover-up conspiracy legend

44:24

was born.

44:26

What does Bigfoot have? Nothing as

44:28

good as that. I'll tell you that much. You

44:30

guys already touched on it. The closest

44:32

Bigfoot has- I had no clue we were going here tonight.

44:35

I had no idea. You stepped right into

44:37

it. The closest Bigfoot has to

44:40

a government cover-up conspiracy that

44:42

I can think of is the one

44:44

about Bigfoot bodies removed

44:47

after Mount St. Helens eruption

44:49

in 1980. That's right.

44:51

The theory goes that after the

44:53

sudden eruption of Mount St. Helens,

44:56

one of North America's largest dormant

44:58

volcanoes on May 18th, 1980, the state

45:00

of Washington declared a

45:03

state of emergency and mobilized

45:06

government and civilian agencies to

45:08

coordinate efforts in order to respond to the

45:10

eruption's immediate and long-term impacts.

45:13

And while at least the human population

45:15

had an early warning resulting

45:17

in only 57 losses of life,

45:20

the wildlife in the area suffered devastation

45:22

and loss as well as the over 250 square

45:25

miles that were

45:27

obliterated by the volcanic blast

45:30

and subsequent lava field. Well,

45:33

while during the cleanup, multiple reports

45:35

came in from civilians as well as

45:38

government individuals who claimed

45:40

to have come across what can only be described

45:42

as dead Bigfoot bodies, which

45:45

were subsequently reported to the government

45:47

authorities and resulted in an immediate

45:50

covert body recovery and

45:52

cover-up operation. inside

46:00

a cargo net? Yes please.

46:03

But unlike the crash at Roswell, the

46:06

evidence was marginal at best

46:08

and it certainly didn't capture America's

46:11

attention like Roswell did. So

46:13

what else would Bigfoot need to get some street

46:16

cred? How about a secret

46:18

government program? That's

46:21

right for Bigfoot to get some serious credibility

46:23

in the streets, we would have to uncover

46:26

some type of good evidence for the existence

46:28

of a secret government program looking

46:31

into the validity of the Bigfoot phenomenon.

46:33

In the New York Times article

46:36

we learned that 22 million dollars over

46:38

five years would be allocated to study

46:40

and investigate the UFO UAP

46:43

phenomenon at a place called Skinwalker

46:45

Ranch somewhere in the northeastern

46:47

desert of Utah. Late Senators

46:49

Ted Stevens, a Republican from Alaska

46:51

and Daniel Anui, a Democrat

46:53

from Hawaii along with Senate Majority Leader

46:56

Harry Reid from Nevada approved

46:58

a secretive UFO study program

47:01

called ATIP or the Advanced

47:04

Aerospace Threat Identification

47:06

Program which was tasked with learning

47:08

as much as possible about the potential

47:10

threats that UFOs pose to our national

47:13

security and so ATIP was

47:15

born. But Bigfoot

47:17

doesn't have any kind of secretive government

47:20

study program like that at least

47:22

that we know of although rumors are

47:24

abound. I even myself

47:27

have explored some tempting leads on my

47:29

show Expedition Bigfoot where I spoke

47:31

with individuals who told me firsthand that

47:33

there are US intelligence agencies

47:36

who know about the existence of these creatures

47:39

and are doing everything in their power to capture

47:41

and study one in order to exploit

47:43

it for defense purposes. But

47:46

we don't have any concrete proof

47:47

of that, nothing even close. Not

47:50

like we do at the ATIP program which we

47:52

know existed thanks to the hard

47:54

work of good investigative journalism. The

47:57

closest we ever came to finding out

47:59

is that the US government had taken an interest

48:01

in Bigfoot was when in the 1970s,

48:04

the FBI examined some hair samples

48:06

that were believed to be from an unknown primate,

48:09

possibly Bigfoot.

48:11

The hair samples were submitted for analysis by

48:13

various individuals and organizations interested

48:16

in cryptozoology. The results

48:19

of the FBI analysis conducted by

48:21

the FBI's Hair and Fiber Unit concluded

48:23

that the hair samples were from known

48:26

animals, such as bears and other common

48:28

wildlife, rather than from an unknown

48:30

primate. So, no help there.

48:34

And come to think of it, you know what else would be a really smart

48:36

PR move for Bigfoot?

48:38

Some Bigfoot congressional hearings

48:41

could really turn the heat up. In

48:43

July of this year, some truly

48:45

unbelievable things were said at a

48:48

congressional hearing on UFOs

48:50

when retired major David Grouche,

48:53

who went from being part of the Pentagon's UAP

48:55

task force to becoming a whistleblower,

48:58

told the House Oversight Committee's National

49:00

Security Subcommittee that he

49:02

had been denied access to some government

49:05

UFO programs, but that he knows

49:07

the, quote, exact

49:08

locations of UAPs

49:11

in US possession. He also said

49:13

that the US recovered non-human,

49:16

quote, unquote, biologics from the

49:18

crash site. Non-human biologics

49:21

from a crash site? Now, that's something

49:23

that grabbed not only headlines across

49:26

the nation, but everyone's attention

49:28

as well. I mean, Bigfoot hasn't

49:30

grabbed a headline like that in a long

49:32

time, let alone had the

49:34

House Oversight Committee's National Security

49:37

Subcommittee's attention. Well,

49:40

well played, UFOs, well

49:43

played. And finally,

49:46

for your gym crush not to giggle, when

49:48

you bring up your belief in Bigfoot because

49:50

the government is finally taking it seriously,

49:53

Bigfoot would need to have, what,

49:56

any guesses, gentlemen?

50:01

Steve? A body? Well,

50:04

that would be a great start. That

50:07

would be good. But

50:09

you know what he would need first is

50:12

a task force. That's right,

50:15

perhaps more than any other gesture

50:17

to the American public to say

50:19

that yes, we take UFO

50:21

seriously was for the Department of Defense

50:24

to establish a UAP task

50:26

force, the Unidentified Aerial

50:29

Phenomena Task Force, a U.S.

50:31

government effort dedicated to investigating

50:33

reports of unidentified aerial

50:35

phenomena or simply UFOs. The

50:38

task force was established to better

50:40

understand and assess the reports

50:42

which involve sightings of objects in the sky

50:45

that exhibit flight characteristics or behaviors

50:47

that cannot be readily explained. And

50:50

even though the UAP task force's work is primarily

50:52

focused on assessing potential national

50:55

security implications of these sightings

50:58

and not really specifically focused on the

51:00

broader question of the origin

51:02

of extraterrestrial life associated

51:04

with these crafts. Still, it's a damn

51:06

good start. Unfortunately

51:08

for Bigfoot, it looks like he's

51:11

going to have to wait for his cool shoulder patch

51:13

from the Department of Interior because there

51:15

is no officially sanctioned government body

51:18

or group officially looking into

51:20

Bigfoot

51:21

that we know of. So why

51:24

has it been different for UFOs than it has

51:26

for Bigfoot? Both have purportedly

51:28

been around for centuries, if not thousands

51:30

of years. Both have been reported

51:33

not only here in America, but all over

51:35

the world.

51:36

Both are reported in the hundreds, if not thousands

51:39

on a yearly basis and

51:41

both are seen and experienced by credible

51:43

individuals as well as trained observers

51:46

in the military and law enforcement.

51:48

And both have left behind puzzling

51:51

and confounding evidence. The

51:53

similarities are more common than you might think.

51:55

So what gives? Well,

51:58

here's what I think.

51:59

I think the main reason

52:02

that UFOs are experiencing a

52:04

renaissance, so to speak, whereas Bigfoot

52:07

is still considered by most to be purely

52:09

fictional or mythological, is

52:11

because we are in the technological

52:14

age. We are moved by information

52:17

at a paralyzing speed. We

52:20

as a species are itching

52:22

to leave Earth's placenta and

52:24

it's the UFO that represents our

52:26

departure or birth to

52:29

keep the metaphor going.

52:29

Bigfoot represents

52:32

our past, a return to

52:34

nature. And although there are a large

52:36

number of people and groups who rebuke metropolitan

52:39

life and technological advances and

52:41

who are in fact living in a symbiotic relationship

52:44

with nature, they're the minority to be

52:46

sure. The vast majority of our

52:48

civilization sees nature as something

52:51

to be conquered, overcome, a

52:53

place to gain and acquire vast resources.

52:56

But I think where they both get it wrong

52:59

is that in order to fulfill mankind's

53:01

destiny amongst the stars and

53:04

to explore other galaxies and spread

53:06

our galactic seeds, so to speak, we're

53:08

going to need both technologies. The

53:11

technology of the future that

53:13

the UFO seems to hold and its

53:15

ability to conquer time and space,

53:18

which appear to be mere hindrances for these

53:20

craft that can change shape and density

53:23

and travel back and forth between time

53:25

and side to side between space. But

53:28

we also need the technology of the

53:30

past, which is the ability

53:32

to move between worlds as well.

53:35

Not time and space like UFOs,

53:38

but between the material world and

53:40

the spirit world like Bigfoot

53:43

does, to be able to walk between

53:45

both worlds at ease and commune

53:47

with nature as well as your ancestors

53:50

while still living. In other words,

53:52

to live in a society where the

53:54

general consensus is that we are spiritual

53:57

beings living a material

53:59

existence.

53:59

And this is what Bigfoot represents.

54:03

I'm of the opinion that we need to

54:05

marry the two as they are both

54:07

equally important to our ever evolving

54:09

species. We as humans

54:12

need to be technologically advanced

54:15

and spiritually advanced. This

54:18

is the alchemical dance that's

54:21

going to be required in order to

54:23

achieve our metamorphosis, shed

54:25

our chrysalis and take our rightful

54:28

place amongst the stars.

54:30

At least that's what I think.

54:33

So for now I'll just keep holding my breath

54:35

till I get some of that sweet sweet

54:38

Bigfoot disclosure. What

54:40

do you guys think? Will Bigfoot ever

54:43

get the same kind of mainstream

54:45

respect UFOs are seeing

54:47

today? I

54:52

just first off want to say I thought that

54:54

was absolutely beautiful and I

54:56

think you're onto something. I

54:58

think you might have just, I think you are sniffing around

55:01

man. That is gorgeous. Thank

55:03

you. Truly, I mean like you know,

55:05

and it was really, that was, that moved me and

55:08

made me think. I

55:11

don't think they will simply because

55:15

what it seems like Congress in the

55:17

whole hubbub with like the UFO disclosure

55:19

thing is like national security, national

55:21

security. Now if there comes a time where Bigfoot

55:23

is posing a threat on national security, then

55:26

there's going to be a clamoring for

55:28

Bigfoot disclosure. But I

55:30

think what a, like

55:32

just to the spiritual side that you were so eloquently

55:35

laying down on us. I

55:37

think, you know, while

55:40

we live in a very polarized, you know, country,

55:43

very like split, Bigfoot

55:45

could be the great uniter because I feel like people

55:47

on the right, they love Bigfoot people

55:49

on the left. I think they like Bigfoot

55:52

too. Well, you know, here's the

55:54

thing. I

56:01

think everyone likes the idea of Bigfoot, right?

56:03

Like at least, I mean, like if you don't, then

56:05

like, I'm sorry, you're boring.

56:08

But it could be this great

56:10

thing to where like, maybe

56:12

putting like a real deal effort,

56:16

like a real effort into trying

56:19

to locate and study the

56:22

Bigfoot phenomenon is worthy. I mean, like

56:24

all jokes aside, I think what

56:27

would that mean for us? Especially if like, if

56:29

they find, you know, they discover a Bigfoot and it is

56:31

just a flesh and blood kind of missing link animal.

56:34

Well, that's great. It's huge,

56:36

man. I think that would be like such a positive

56:38

thing for the world

56:40

really. We have a new gorilla. I

56:43

mean, that's neat. I'm sorry.

56:46

It happens more often than people think. I

56:48

think just off the coast of Mexico, they discovered

56:51

a new species of whale recently. So,

56:54

you know, it happens more often than people

56:56

think. These giant species

56:58

are still being discovered on planet earth.

57:01

Absolutely, man. And if Bigfoot,

57:03

like, let's say it turns out to be

57:05

Bigfoot, it's like a high, strange, weird, you

57:08

know, non-human entity from the astral

57:10

plane. Well, that probably

57:12

is a better way to understand the UFO phenomenon

57:15

than actually like, you know, talking

57:17

to F-14 pilots who saw some, you

57:20

know, I'm so skeptical

57:22

of everything that comes out of the military's mouth

57:24

in terms of that stuff. They have an agenda,

57:27

but witnesses, you know,

57:29

they always throw away like, you know, Joe

57:32

Bucks had like a UFO landing in his backyard. I'm

57:34

almost more interested in Joe Bucks' case

57:37

than someone from the Air Force,

57:39

to be honest. But I do think, like, let's

57:41

say they did look into Bigfoot and they noticed

57:43

some of the weirdness, some of the high, strange aspects,

57:47

that could be a better tell of what the

57:49

UFO phenomenon is than the way they're studying it

57:51

now. So, to be honest, I

57:53

think it's a worthy cause, my man. I

57:55

think, you convinced me. All

57:58

right. Dave, I... I literally couldn't

58:00

say it better myself. So I'm

58:02

just gonna hitch my little wagon to yours

58:06

and say, same. Yeah, I

58:08

mean, you took the words out of my mouth, especially

58:10

with the like, I have a feeling if they start

58:13

digging into the UFO stuff truly,

58:15

deeply enough, they will start studying

58:17

Bigfoot. But I do think

58:20

it's a matter of national security.

58:23

It's an animal that might be running around in

58:25

the woods versus things

58:27

that are in our airspace. And

58:30

unless there's some sort of secret

58:33

program that either Russia

58:36

or China has to like, genetically

58:38

design primates to

58:40

spy on us, they're

58:43

not really gonna pay too much. They're not gonna put their

58:45

resources into it.

58:48

I think they're looking at what is flying over

58:51

and could possibly be observing our

58:53

weapons capabilities. And that's why the UFO stuff

58:56

gets so much attention. And maybe more

58:58

witnesses too at the end of the day. There might be

59:00

just more UFO witnesses out there than

59:03

Bigfoot, you know? Cause all you gotta

59:05

do is look up to see a UFO. Right. What

59:08

I would say, and if I may put on a conspiratorial

59:11

hat, let's suppose

59:13

there is something to Bigfoot,

59:15

right? Let's just like, not a doubt

59:17

in the mind, we all know there's something to Bigfoot. Let's just say that,

59:19

for example, if that is

59:22

true, I would be pretty

59:24

certain that the

59:27

government or military or national

59:30

park system has

59:32

more data than we do. Oh

59:35

sure. Yeah, yeah. Right. So

59:37

if there is something to Bigfoot, you would think there would

59:39

be more data actually, you know, like

59:42

in the government. And if there is something to Bigfoot,

59:45

why would they not be interested in studying that? And

59:47

so like the thing is like, even

59:50

like you mentioned John Tenney earlier, like let's say

59:52

John Tenney told you the best, the

59:55

most surefire place to experience like

59:58

a ghost or something paranormal. Well,

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1:00:02

in

1:00:03

the paranormal 100%? So I think

1:00:05

I think they've been studying this stuff You

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know for as long as there's been a military

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you hit me up on Cameo, baby? Yeah,

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love it. I'm on those socials as well. If you're

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Johnson. Twitter or X

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