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to the No Spin News Weekend Edition.

1:51

Last night, 60 Minutes. Is

1:54

it just me or I haven't a hard

1:56

time getting through that broadcast now. Used to

1:59

be my fave. Hard

2:01

time getting through it. Anyway, House

2:03

Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries

2:05

was on. Go. But

2:08

two-thirds of voters think the economy was

2:10

better under President Trump. Well,

2:12

that's just not the case, and we have to do a better

2:15

job of laying out the

2:18

facts that the economy has

2:20

dramatically improved under the

2:23

leadership of President Joe Biden. Okay.

2:29

I'm going to sit to the sidelines

2:31

because I'm bringing in Lou Dobbs. You

2:33

know, Lou, now he is

2:36

an unabashed Trump supporter. He comes to

2:38

us from New Jersey. We

2:40

host a show, The

2:43

Great America Show, Lou

2:45

Dobbs, loudobs.com, Rumble X,

2:48

who's having all kinds of fun out there in Jersey.

2:51

So I just want

2:53

to make sure that everybody knows that you

2:55

are a big, big Trump supporter. But

2:58

when you hear that from the Democrats, and that's going

3:00

to be their pitch, that

3:03

Biden has done so, so much for

3:05

the economy, we're all better off now,

3:08

how would you, if you were

3:11

Trump's main economic advisor, reply to

3:13

that? I

3:15

just simply not reply to it. I wouldn't

3:18

even pay attention to it. No

3:20

one is going to listen to Joe Biden

3:22

in his current condition. He's falling

3:24

in every poll that is at

3:27

least semi respected in

3:29

this country. And the

3:31

president right now has

3:33

a groundswell of support across

3:35

the board. I wouldn't even

3:38

pay attention to the man, no matter what

3:40

he said. I'd talk about his record. I'd

3:43

talk about the condition our condition is in,

3:45

economically, societally, politically,

3:49

governmentally. We are

3:51

right now on the cusp of

3:53

a failed state, for

3:56

crying out loud. Why are you just- Oh, I

3:58

define that. Why do you think- We're

4:00

on the cusp of a failed state. What

4:02

is the big? Uh

4:04

driver of failure in your

4:06

opinion In

4:08

my opinion having a 2000

4:11

mile long border that's been turned over by

4:13

joe biden to the mexican drug cartels. Okay

4:15

All right, so the border issue But

4:19

I think there's an opportunity here

4:21

for the republicans and trump When

4:23

you hear a guy like a team jeffrey

4:25

say Oh, no, no,

4:27

no, no biden's doing a great job with the

4:30

economy much better than trump and

4:32

then you can price compare At

4:34

the grocery store That's all you

4:37

have to do is price compare Because

4:39

that's where people feel the economy at the grocery store

4:41

and at the gas tank And

4:44

so why would you not? Why

4:46

would you not engage at that level just

4:48

put on a full screen? Gallon

4:51

amel cost this in the last year

4:53

of trump's uh term now, of course

4:55

this eggs close this now Close that

4:57

why wouldn't you take advantage of that?

5:00

I certainly would bring that up But I wouldn't do

5:02

it in response to joe biden or pay any attention

5:05

to his uh, you know his defense

5:07

of uh hyperinflation which

5:09

were on the cusp of again Nor

5:11

would I listen to him when he talks about

5:13

the state of the economy? We're looking

5:15

at an economy that has grown nicely over

5:18

the last year Despite

5:20

calls of recession, but here's the

5:22

reality. The reality is we have a

5:25

an economy. That's 29 trillion

5:27

dollars We have a

5:29

national debt that has grown to

5:32

almost and will approach now 37

5:35

trillion dollars. That's a pretty big issue Uh

5:38

for the for the voters because we're

5:40

looking at high rates the prospects of

5:43

inflation Slowering growth and

5:45

the reality that stagflation It's

5:48

not real to them all of those terms

5:50

aren't real to them. What's real to them

5:52

is They're paying more for

5:54

their they're paying more for their health

5:57

insurance. They're paying more for their house

5:59

insurance car insurance, pay

6:01

more for everything. Okay,

6:04

I mean, stagflation and debt, national

6:06

debt, it just rolls off. But

6:09

I think you can make it go ahead. Well,

6:11

I'm sure what doesn't roll off

6:13

is the fact that they're the ones

6:16

paying those prices. Right. They're the ones

6:18

paying $4 plus for gasoline. They're the

6:20

ones who's watching house prices

6:22

go up while you can't finance a house.

6:25

If you want to buy it, you're

6:28

looking at tremendously higher rates and

6:30

the prospect of even higher rates

6:32

because we've got idiots in the

6:34

Federal Reserve who are going to

6:36

try instead of adjusting their targets,

6:38

they're going to try to

6:40

raise rates. And that means unemployment.

6:43

And that means more dissatisfaction. We

6:46

just mentioned a key word. Now Biden is going

6:48

to go out and say

6:50

it's the lowest unemployment rate, job

6:52

seekers, all this in history. And

6:55

he's got the data to back that up. So

6:58

it's what, three point something percent. You want

7:00

to work in America, you can work. So

7:02

how do you reply to that? I

7:05

don't have to because everybody can feel it.

7:07

I'm going to talk to the anxieties that

7:10

Americans are feeling right now. I'm going

7:12

to talk to the issue of the

7:15

middle class, working men and women and

7:17

their families. Those are Trump's people. That

7:19

is the so-called forgotten Americans of

7:21

2016. But who

7:23

are the majority of Americans as

7:26

we look toward November 5th of

7:28

2024? We are talking about

7:30

a real disaster. This is not something

7:32

you can triangulate. This is not something

7:34

anybody can play with. We

7:36

have in this country right now great

7:39

fear. Every poll shows

7:41

it anxiety, fear. They don't trust the

7:43

media for crying out loud. How could

7:45

they not trust the national corporate media?

7:47

But it's down to the lowest that

7:49

it's been in. No,

7:51

they simply are in disarray over

7:53

there. Why is unemployment so low?

7:57

Why is it so low? Because most of it, we

8:00

watching right now a labor

8:03

market in which people are refusing to

8:05

participate. They don't want to be a part of it.

8:08

You think they're just not, they're

8:11

off the grid, they're just not telling

8:13

anybody what their employment status

8:15

is. That's what you think. That's

8:18

a big part of it, but a bigger

8:20

part of it is we're watching layoffs like

8:22

we haven't seen. It's still below 4% unemployment.

8:27

Unemployment is, but the reality is that

8:30

that is rising from level, we were

8:32

in the 2% level. We are

8:34

now looking at 4% and rising

8:37

and the job creation

8:39

and layoffs, job creation

8:41

is declining, layoffs are

8:44

escalating. And if we

8:46

don't have an intelligent response by the

8:48

Federal Reserve and keep Joe

8:50

Biden away from bringing in any further

8:53

illegal illegal alien

8:56

labor, we can

8:58

get through to November 5th. Well,

9:01

the illegal alien labor is already

9:03

here. The

9:07

real wages have still were much higher under

9:09

Trump and that's again what I would go

9:11

out with with Trump. Final question for you,

9:15

the polls, the national polls are still

9:17

pretty close with

9:20

Trump winning most of them, but it's one or

9:22

two points. I think the real clear average is

9:24

two points up for Trump. So

9:27

that means millions of Americans are

9:29

okay with Biden. What's

9:32

that mindset? I'm

9:34

not okay with Biden, you're not okay with

9:36

Biden. Not personal with me, it's

9:39

just performance-based. What

9:41

is driving, do you think, the people who

9:44

still support President Biden?

9:47

I think that there is a group of people,

9:50

I'm going to say is something like a third

9:52

to 40% of the country, that are

9:54

committed, committed progressives.

9:57

And by the way, progressives, that means they're partly

9:59

in the... I mean, they

10:01

can go as far as the Marxist camp to

10:04

moderate. But the reality

10:06

is that the independents in this country right

10:09

now, and poll after polling, as you know

10:11

very well, they're

10:13

going to decide the outcome of

10:15

this election. And independents are breaking

10:18

largely for President Trump.

10:21

The nostalgia in the Democratic Party, for crying

10:23

out loud, for the Trump years is

10:26

palatable and it is pollable. And what

10:28

they're saying is it's very real. I

10:31

think those are powerful imperatives as we

10:33

are now six months out from that

10:35

election. Lou

10:38

Dobbs, everybody. Again, you can get him

10:40

on loudobs.com. That's

10:42

pretty easy. It's like billoreilly.com,

10:44

loudobs.com. But

10:46

we appreciate it, Lou. Thanks very much. Stay

10:49

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Edition. So

11:56

Cuomo's got Tulsi Gabbard on because Ms.

11:58

Gabbard has a great time. new book.

12:00

It's already a bestseller. And

12:02

he drops this on her. Go.

12:06

So the former President Trump, your name is

12:08

supposedly on a shortlist. Do you agree with

12:10

that statement? Would you serve with President Trump?

12:15

I've heard the same thing that you have. If

12:17

asked to serve in that way, I would be honored. Straightforward

12:21

answer. Posey Gabbert is

12:23

an interesting story. Okay. Born

12:25

in American Samoa out in the Pacific.

12:29

She moved to Hawaii at the age of two,

12:33

had a regular middle class upbringing, joined

12:36

the army, and she's still in

12:38

the reserves. She is

12:40

an lieutenant colonel. Impressive.

12:43

Served in Iraq, two

12:45

tours. One was in Kuwait, one was in

12:47

Iraq. And then,

12:49

of course, as you know, was

12:52

a congresswoman from Hawaii for

12:54

eight years, four terms. And

12:56

she joins us now from Washington promoting

12:59

her book, For Love of Country, Leave

13:02

the Democrat Party Behind.

13:05

Okay. So we're happy to

13:08

have you on the program

13:10

here. It's going to be different than

13:12

the other interviews you've done. You ever get tired

13:14

of the pinhead in the media

13:16

asking you the predictable questions? You ever get

13:18

tired of that? Sometimes

13:21

I wonder, like, you know, I guess they talk

13:23

to a lot of people, but I don't

13:26

know. A little uniqueness is

13:28

what I count on you for, Bill O'Reilly. Well,

13:30

you'll get it here. When I do my book

13:33

interviews, I just swallow

13:35

it. I figure as long as they're

13:37

promoting a book, no matter how dumb the question

13:40

is, I'm going to answer it. I kind of

13:42

just get numb to it, you know? Yeah, it's

13:44

like going to the dentist. There are

13:46

some good interviewers, but not

13:48

as many as there should be. Okay. So

13:51

I think you're compatible with Donald Trump

13:53

domestically, but

13:56

I'm not sure about abortion. Do

13:59

you support the Supreme Court's decision on

14:01

Roe v. Wade, giving authority

14:04

to the individual states? I

14:07

do. And I said so

14:09

when that ruling occurred. And the

14:11

reason why is because for so

14:13

long, as you know, the

14:16

Supreme Court has been largely politicized

14:18

mostly around this single issue,

14:20

which is not how our Supreme Court

14:23

should be, by decentralizing

14:25

this, making progress in

14:28

limiting the jurisdiction of the federal

14:30

government, we're moving in the

14:32

right direction. I would argue that there are

14:34

many other issues where, like

14:37

education, for example, where there is

14:39

huge opportunity to do the same. All

14:42

right, so you and Trump are compatible

14:44

because he supports the Supreme Court's decision.

14:46

But what about states like Idaho and

14:49

some others who are gonna make it very,

14:52

very difficult to have an abortion? And

14:55

sometimes, in my opinion, and I

14:57

am pro-life, because I'm a

14:59

Roman Catholic, and unlike Joe Biden, I'm

15:02

gonna follow the tenets of

15:04

what I believe Christianity is all about, that's my

15:06

choice. But I do know

15:08

that in Idaho and other states, even

15:11

if the woman is severely impacted physically,

15:13

it'd be hard for her to have

15:15

abortion. Where do

15:17

you come down on that? Well, this is

15:19

an issue that's before the Supreme Court. Currently,

15:22

I was just learning more

15:24

and reading more about the case as

15:26

it's being argued now. Again,

15:29

this is such a complex conversation

15:32

and issue, and it needs to

15:34

be happening at the state level

15:36

where it is closest to those

15:38

being impacted. The

15:41

issues that Idaho is bringing forward to the

15:43

Supreme Court now, I think

15:45

are very telling. I

15:47

gotta be honest, I'm still learning more about the

15:49

facts. I've listened to some of the arguments, and

15:52

I'm looking more at the facts of what's

15:55

happening there versus the rhetoric that's being presented.

15:57

Okay, well, as a politician, I don't want you to...

16:00

get too involved with facts. That's

16:02

not good. You got a wise

16:04

guy, but that's me. So if

16:06

you get

16:11

the VP nod from Trump, which

16:14

you are under consideration, I can

16:16

tell everybody that. I know that to

16:18

be a fact. You

16:20

would be the first surfing vice

16:22

president. Okay. I

16:24

don't know if Dick Cheney was a surfer, but I

16:26

don't think he was. I couldn't

16:28

doubt it. Maybe I shouldn't

16:31

prejudge, but. First surfing vice

16:33

president, first Moen vice

16:36

president, and the first Hindu

16:38

vice president. That is

16:41

some trifecta there. Have

16:44

you thought about that? Not,

16:47

no, to be honest, no, not really.

16:49

Well, that was the only getting a

16:51

surf. That's the only softball

16:54

question I'm going to give you. Well, here,

16:56

I'll tell you this bill. We've

16:58

seen how different people have occupied the white

17:00

house and presidents, vice presidents, you know, they've,

17:02

what was it like, they've got the bowling alley. Now there

17:04

used to be a pool. I don't think there's a

17:06

pool there anymore. I

17:09

wish that there was a wave pool somewhere

17:11

in the greater DC, Northern American area. When

17:13

you're president, you can have it installed when

17:15

president can do anything, you know, you can

17:17

have a wave pool in there. I don't

17:19

know that that'd be the wisest use of

17:21

taxpayer dollars for the record. However, it would

17:23

be. If you are on the Trump ticket

17:25

and you guys win, I want to see

17:28

Trump and YMEA Bay with you on the board.

17:30

That's what I want to see. And then I

17:32

can die after I see that. No, don't do

17:34

that. Okay. Now, softball is over.

17:37

Now we go into foreign policy. Now it

17:39

is here where it

17:42

gets a little dicey for you, Congresswoman.

17:45

This is what you said, May 16th, 2022. What we

17:47

do know is that the Biden

17:53

administration has failed to clearly define

17:55

any objective in

17:57

this proxy war in Ukraine. They have failed to define. what

18:00

winning looks like. So clearly there

18:02

is no end in sight without that being

18:05

defined. Okay,

18:07

so I've been very clear and

18:09

the divide administration is not clear

18:11

on anything, but if you listen

18:13

to Blinken and Sullivan, they

18:16

basically say we ought to stop Putin. We're

18:18

not going to beat Putin militarily,

18:20

but British intelligence this week

18:22

reported Putin's losing a thousand

18:24

men dead every day in

18:27

Ukraine, a thousand. And his position

18:29

in his own country and in the world

18:31

is much weaker than it was two years

18:33

ago. So that's the end game

18:36

to make it impossible for Putin

18:38

to expand his totalitarianism. The man

18:40

is a murderer, he's a killer,

18:42

okay, and to send a message

18:44

to Xi and other tyrants that

18:46

this will not be tolerated in the world. So

18:49

am I wrong because I continue

18:52

to support American aid to Ukraine?

18:56

It still is there is still not

18:58

a clear end state. At what point

19:01

is that defined? They say they want to stop Putin,

19:04

stop him from being able to extend

19:06

his incursions, whether it's in Ukraine or

19:09

in other countries. At what

19:11

point is that defined? At what point

19:13

do we stop sending hundreds of billions

19:15

of dollars to Ukraine? At what point

19:17

did the Ukrainian people find

19:19

peace in their own country and stop seeing

19:22

the killing and death of their own people?

19:24

You can't be a predictor of that. My

19:26

feeling is if Trump's reelected, he'll make a deal

19:29

with Putin, okay, because

19:31

they have some kind of relationship

19:33

that nobody understands. But I think that

19:36

has a much better chance if Trump is president

19:39

than Biden. But it's like the

19:41

Cold War. How long did the

19:43

Cold War go on? From

19:45

1945 until Reagan knocked it

19:49

back 30 years later. And

19:52

what were you going to say? We're not going

19:54

to stop the Soviet expansion because we don't have

19:57

any endgame? This is the same thing. Is it

19:59

the same? It requires

20:02

even our own military leaders here in

20:04

the U.S. at the highest levels, even

20:07

those who work in the foreign policy

20:09

arena, many of them, not all, have

20:12

conceded for months now that the only

20:15

way that this war ends is with

20:17

the negotiated outcome. Yeah,

20:19

but Putin has to negotiate. It's

20:21

like Hamas. Correct. Hamas doesn't want to

20:23

negotiate. Putin doesn't want to negotiate. You've

20:25

got to make it so painful for

20:27

him. That's not completely true. There have

20:30

been efforts put forward by

20:32

leaders of other countries where they've

20:34

been able to get parties from Russia

20:36

and from Ukraine together to the table. Not Putin. And

20:39

the Biden administration has stopped every

20:41

one of those efforts from

20:44

proceeding and continuing on. I

20:46

don't know. I don't know if that's true. Here's

20:50

what I know is true. Pope Francis… The

20:52

former prime minister of Israel was one of

20:55

those people who spoke very clearly about his

20:57

knowledge of the Biden administration and leaders in

20:59

the West standing in the way of a

21:01

negotiated peace treaty. It does Joe

21:03

Biden no good not to try to bring this to

21:05

an end, which is why I'm skeptical of that report.

21:07

I agree. But Pope Francis… But

21:09

he's doing a lot of things that don't make sense and

21:12

are not doing any good. But

21:14

Pope Francis himself, some emissary to

21:16

Putin, said I will broker the

21:18

peace and Putin told him to

21:20

get stuffed. OK. So

21:22

that's true. That happened. I know that

21:24

to be a fact. Some

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North Illinois. Now let's get on to the other soundbite.

22:29

As you might know I wrote a

22:31

book called Killing the Killers which went

22:33

all through Obama and

22:35

Trump's war against,

22:37

talk about an unending war,

22:40

against Islamic terrorism. Okay

22:43

here's what you said on

22:45

January 3rd 2020 about the assassination

22:48

of the Iranian Revolutionary

22:50

Guard leader Soleimani. This

22:54

was very clearly an act of

22:56

war by this president without any

22:58

kind of authorization or declaration of

23:01

war from Congress clearly violating the

23:04

Constitution. It further escalates this pit

23:06

for cat that's going on and

23:08

on and on will elicit a

23:10

very serious response from

23:12

Iran and pushing us deeper and deeper

23:14

into this quagmire and it really begs

23:16

the question for what?

23:20

So you're criticizing Trump there for waxing

23:22

Soleimani. Do you stand by that or

23:24

have you changed your opinion? Well

23:27

as you see my point there was that this

23:29

was an act of war that Congress

23:31

did not declare. That

23:34

was the main point there. I believe

23:36

strongly in the separation of powers. Why

23:40

not? You can't fight the war on

23:42

terror by getting congressional approval for actions

23:44

that have to take place like that.

23:46

Bagdaddy and ISIS all of

23:48

those things even Osama bin

23:50

Laden's assassination was not

23:53

approved by Congress surely you didn't

23:55

object to that. Congress

23:57

I supported I was not an office at

23:59

the time. but have spoken out and

24:01

supported the continuance of

24:03

those authorities that Congress did pass,

24:06

the authorization to use military force

24:09

to go after al-Qaeda and those

24:11

terrorist organizations that came after us

24:13

on 9-11 and have helped us

24:15

to continue to morph into different

24:18

groups like ISIS, al-Qaeda, and so forth.

24:20

I've been very outspoken about the need

24:22

for a defeat radical Islamist terrorism. It's

24:24

different than the distinction there on the

24:26

war powers. I'm going to respectfully ask

24:29

you. This was a high general

24:31

in the Iranian military. That

24:33

is a difference that is a different distinction. But

24:35

he was a terrorist, designated terrorist, because he killed

24:37

civilians. The War Powers

24:39

Act that Bush, the younger side, gives

24:42

the authority of the president to do

24:44

it. He had the authority to kill

24:46

Soleimani al-Baghdadi, Obama had the authority to

24:48

kill bin Laden. I think you

24:51

would, once you get into that office and you

24:53

get the national security briefings every day, I

24:56

believe, because I think you're a very smart woman

24:58

and you know the big picture, you've got to

25:00

fight that war that way. You get a

25:03

chance to take out the leader of Hamas. You don't go

25:05

to Congress. You take them right off the map. You

25:07

have to do it that way. A couple

25:09

more questions, and I'm sorry to keep you so long, but

25:11

you're such a good guest. And I want everybody

25:13

to read your book because I read your book, and

25:16

I'm so busy it hurts. I read

25:18

the book, and it flows nicely. Did

25:20

you get shot at in Iraq? That means a lot

25:22

coming from you. That means a lot coming from you.

25:25

And it's hot. I really do appreciate that. If I thought the

25:27

book was terrible, I wouldn't say anything. Did

25:29

you get shot at in Iraq when you were over there? A

25:32

lot of mortars and indirect fire on almost

25:35

an everyday basis. Okay. Because

25:37

you were over there a year, and then you went back to Kuwait. And

25:39

you're a lieutenant colonel, right? And you're still in the

25:41

reserves, right? I am. And

25:44

the book was deployed to East Africa a couple of years

25:46

ago. We'll be

25:48

taking a command of an Army Reserve Battalion here on

25:51

June 1st. Barry, I

25:53

think you have the strongest resume of

25:56

any vice presidential person being considered by

25:58

Trump. Hawaii.

26:01

I love Hawaii. But it's

26:03

loony left. It's Maisie Horano.

26:06

It's crazy left. You

26:08

used to be semi-crazy left.

26:11

But you changed. You

26:13

changed. But Hawaii still

26:15

remains the socialist paradise.

26:18

All right? If you had

26:20

a pinpoint one thing that made you

26:22

change, what would it be? One

26:27

thing, there are so many things that you

26:29

saw in the book, but really what it

26:31

all boiled down to, Bill, was about the

26:33

Democrat elite not only

26:36

opposing, but trying to undermine

26:38

our fundamental rights and freedoms.

26:41

Because that is at the heart of everything. That is who

26:43

we are as a country. Oh, they want to do that. And

26:46

we have people in power who are going to cut us up.

26:49

They're afraid of a free people. They're afraid of

26:51

a free society. They're afraid of a democracy

26:53

where we get to decide who gets to

26:55

serve in the presidency and

26:57

in power. They're terrified because they

27:00

know deep down inside

27:02

we will see the truth about their abuse of

27:04

power and we'll throw them out of office. And

27:06

that's what I hope happens in November. Well, I

27:08

will say, I mean, it's a big turning point.

27:10

So that was a boring interview. I bet you

27:13

that was one of the better ones, right? It

27:15

was great. Yes, absolutely. No question. You don't have

27:17

to say that. You can, you can, you know.

27:19

I know I don't have to. All

27:21

right. So the book is For Love

27:23

of Country, Leave the Democrat Party Behind.

27:26

Great gift for mom on her day coming

27:28

up on a Sunday or everybody who wants

27:31

to learn about an honest politician. I believe

27:34

Congresswoman Gabbard is that. Thanks for appearing.

27:36

And we'll talk again soon. I hope. Hey,

27:40

this is Vivek Ramaswamy. The

27:42

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27:44

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27:46

COVID-19, the Trump-Russia collusion hoax, or how

27:48

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27:51

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27:53

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27:55

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28:17

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28:20

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28:22

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28:24

called Truth with Vibek

28:26

Ramaswami. Okay? He ran

28:29

for president, been on the No Spin

28:31

News before, doing very well. And

28:34

he's concentrating on a lot of media.

28:37

This is what the full screen definition

28:39

of his podcast says. Quote,

28:41

the media has systematically lied to you about the war

28:43

in Iraq, 2008 financial crisis,

28:46

Russian collusion hoax, that never was,

28:48

COVID-19 origins, Hunter Biden's laptop,

28:51

the truth about January 6th, and

28:53

how our money is being spent in

28:55

Ukraine, the transgender national shooter memo, the

28:58

list goes on. Joining

29:00

us now from Columbus, Ohio

29:02

is Vibek Ramaswami. So

29:04

congrats on the project. We need

29:07

all voices, particularly from

29:10

people who actually think about stuff.

29:13

You don't think President Biden's going to, President

29:15

Trump's going to die anytime soon. That's

29:18

great analysis. He might die. It's

29:22

the sheer joy as they say it that

29:24

you actually got to dissect here. That's actually

29:26

what's going on is there's this word

29:28

called shadden Freud. It refers to

29:30

rejoicing in somebody else's sorrow. That's

29:33

what I saw there. And I think that's what's disgusting. But

29:35

that's also the theme of why I've launched this podcast.

29:37

One of the things I saw in the presidential campaign

29:40

bill was the media has just

29:42

systematically made a business of lying. And

29:44

you talk about news media. The

29:46

idea that the news is actually the news is still

29:48

the myth that many people in this country indulge. I

29:51

saw that in my campaign. The objective of the

29:53

news media isn't to actually report what is happening.

29:56

It's to create an impression that stops people

29:58

from seeing what's happening. I

30:00

think you're right. Generally speaking, it's

30:03

driven by ideology, particularly the corporate media,

30:06

which has now decided, look, the

30:08

way we make money is to preach to acquire.

30:11

We don't care about the majority of the American

30:13

people. We want to spotlight certain people, have

30:15

them come in as many nights as they

30:17

can, and we'll give them what they want.

30:19

And I think that's beyond dispute. But

30:22

let's get your point of view on a

30:24

number of things. So you say, how our

30:27

money is being spent in Ukraine. Do

30:29

you think we're being fleeced here as

30:31

American taxpayers? I think

30:34

we have been fleeced as American taxpayers because

30:36

we have very little accounting of where

30:38

that first hundred billion dollars went. And

30:40

I think it is a mistake, and frankly, it's a

30:42

bipartisan mistake, to fork over more money

30:45

to Ukraine when we don't have an answer

30:47

for what the next hundred billion dollars is

30:49

going to accomplish that the first hundred billion

30:51

dollars didn't. Okay, let me stop you there.

30:54

You know that all foreign aid is given

30:56

to the countries, and there is no accountability

30:58

for that foreign aid. We do not audit

31:01

foreign aid which goes into any country. We

31:03

don't have that authority to do it. And

31:05

we're going to ask them. But

31:08

to me, looking at the

31:10

Ukraine war with Russia, the Ukrainians

31:12

have fought pretty hard, almost

31:15

to a standoff against Putin,

31:17

a much more powerful person

31:20

and country. And I

31:22

know that the aid

31:25

that Americans and NATO have provided

31:27

Ukraine has allowed that. Would

31:29

you say? Well, I push

31:32

back. I think you're partially wrong, Bill, with

31:34

due respect, because had the United States not

31:36

provided that aid, you know who would have?

31:38

It would have been Germany and Western European

31:40

countries who have actually enjoyed

31:42

the security blanket that the United

31:44

States has provided without actually any

31:46

particular accountability. You would have been

31:49

willing to take that chance because Putin takes

31:51

that country over. There's an article today in

31:53

a Wall Street Journal about Georgia, the country

31:55

of Georgia, and how Putin

31:57

is trying to undermine that. Now,

32:00

Georgia would like to get into

32:02

the EU, forget it, Putin's got us

32:04

people only. All right, now I had

32:06

Tulsi Gabbard on yesterday and we disagreed

32:08

on Ukraine. I am firmly in the

32:10

camp. I don't think it's unlimited, by

32:12

the way. I don't think

32:14

you just keep sending and sending and sending. Well, look,

32:17

I think you and I may have a respectful disagreement

32:19

on this. I think one of the things we have

32:21

done in this Ukraine war by the US funding Ukraine

32:24

is that we're actually driving Russia further

32:26

into China's hands. The Russian-China

32:29

alliance is stronger today than it

32:31

was two years ago. There's no doubt about that.

32:34

As opposed to what I think we should

32:36

have done, Bill, which was in the early part of this

32:38

war. This has now gone back a couple of years. There

32:41

should have been an easy, quick negotiation that

32:43

Zelensky was ready to— Who didn't want it?

32:45

Until—well, no, no, no, no, you know who

32:47

didn't want it? Boris Johnson, who traveled, I

32:49

think it was that April, soon after the

32:52

war started, when Zelensky was ready to negotiate,

32:54

Boris Johnson, who was facing his own issues,

32:56

created a deflection and traveled to Ukraine that

32:58

effectively convinced Zelensky out of it. So I think

33:00

that in many ways we have even perfectly contributed to this.

33:03

Who didn't want it? He doesn't want it.

33:05

He can't sell it. He's a

33:07

big, strong man. But you're right about

33:10

Russia and China being

33:13

closer together because when evil coalesces,

33:16

and that's what's happening in the

33:18

world, Iran, Russia, China, evil, they

33:21

want to cause problems. We need to

33:24

disband the Russia-China alliance. I think that's got to be the top

33:26

goal of U.S. foreign policy. You can't disband it. I

33:28

mean, we have no way to disband it.

33:30

Well, here's the thing, Bill. She and who, they're going

33:33

to do what's best for them. And

33:35

what they want to do is weaken us. And I

33:37

love the discussion with you because, you know, it's a

33:39

health—we don't have these healthy debates on the right enough.

33:42

People said the same thing. You can't do it

33:44

back in the 1970s when Richard Nixon made a

33:46

plan to actually move. Did he

33:48

trust Mao Zedong? No, but get Mao Zedong out

33:50

of the hands of the USSR. People said that

33:52

was impossible. But it wasn't Mao, though. Now, did

33:54

Nixon trust Mao? Of course not. It wasn't Mao.

33:56

It was after Mao. It was Mao at the

33:59

time. Well, he

34:01

pulled him out, pulled Mao,

34:03

let China slowly weaken to that alliance. Yes,

34:05

but it was new leadership that was and

34:07

the people were starving and Nixon had an

34:10

upper hand there. Wasn't Mao. Mao wouldn't have

34:12

never done that. But Putin will,

34:14

I think if Trump is elected. My point is people

34:16

thought it was unthinkable at the time, just

34:18

as it's unthinkable today to pull Russia out of

34:20

China's hands. But I think we can do it

34:22

and every step we've taken, I think it's had

34:25

the inadvertent effect. I'm not saying it's seen as-

34:27

Here's what's possible. Inadvertent effect to pull

34:29

them into Russia's hands. So I think you and I

34:31

agree that the Russia-China alliance is the single

34:33

greatest threat we face. There was no

34:35

question about it, but you got to put Iran into

34:38

that triumvirate. But I believe

34:40

if Trump is reelected, that

34:43

he'll make a deal with Putin. I

34:46

believe that Biden is no shot. No

34:49

shot. No, because Biden would take it

34:51

seriously. You have to actually

34:54

have fear. He and Putin have some

34:56

weird thing going on that nobody knows

34:58

about. Okay. Now, there

35:01

is a possibility that if Trump

35:03

is elected in November, you will

35:06

get a cabinet position or be

35:09

offered one. Which cabinet

35:11

position would you want? Look,

35:14

I'm open-minded on the best way I can maximize

35:16

impact to this country. All right, but tell me

35:18

where you think your talents would be best used.

35:21

Well, I'll tell you one of the things, a couple

35:23

of the areas where I focused immensely on the campaign.

35:25

Two areas. You can think about it as two sets

35:27

of mass deportation. The first mass deportation

35:29

I think we need in this country is anybody

35:32

who's in this country illegally needs to be returned to

35:34

their country- But you want to be Homeland Security? To

35:36

steal the border. Stop. Talk

35:39

about the positions, but that's objectives of what

35:41

needs to be accomplished in the next administration.

35:43

Do I think we need a better successor

35:45

to Mayorkas? Absolutely. But there's also the second

35:47

mass deportation. What do you want to do by that? Come on. Where

35:50

will your talents be? You

35:53

know yourself. And the second thing I want to

35:55

do, this is actually really important, is the mass

35:57

deportation of federal bureaucrats out of Washington DC. So

36:00

play in a major role. I'll go to Chad.

36:04

Why are you dodging this question? It's such an

36:06

easy question. Where would

36:08

your talents be best used

36:11

if Trump is considering you?

36:13

What department? Come on. Either

36:16

draining the swamp or protecting our border and mass

36:18

deporting illegal. The number one objective that we're going

36:20

to have though is winning the election this November.

36:23

And I'll be respectful of the conversations I've had

36:25

with him. But I think what I want to

36:27

focus on here is how do we actually achieve the mission? Okay,

36:30

but that very good. Again, I want to

36:33

remind people the truth. How many podcasts

36:35

do you do a week? How many? I'm doing it once

36:37

a week. The truth comes out once a week. Once a week.

36:39

And when does it go up? When is the best day to

36:41

go? It just went up today.

36:43

So the first major episode with the relaunch just went up

36:45

today. Excellent. I had a great conversation

36:47

with Ann Coulter about the future of nationalism and

36:50

national identity in America. Wow. And

36:52

we had a great discussion, sparred about a lot

36:54

of things. And so, we had a good debate. We had a

36:56

healthy debate. But

37:00

it was actually very friendly and respectful, which is I

37:02

think what we need more on the right is actual

37:04

debate, but do it in an intelligent

37:06

way rather than just spouting off talking points. Alright.

37:09

So Ann Coulter and Vivek Ramaswamy on the

37:11

truth. We appreciate you coming on. You're welcome

37:13

anytime. Vivek, thanks for taking the

37:15

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