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Hello friends , welcome to episode

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240 . This week

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I am joined by some very special guests

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Martin of Martinsworld

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, temple Grower and Greenbeard Grows

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. Welcome

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to the Faces of Cannabis interview series where

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we take a break from talking about edibles

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and focus on the people behind

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the plant . Whether it's fellow podcasters

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, bud tenders , gongies

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, advocates , cultivators , cannabis

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lovers all have their stories to share

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and I want to share them with you . Welcome

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back , friends . Thanks for joining me today . You're

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going to enjoy this episode because I

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had the opportunity to sit down and chat

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with Martin of Martinsworld podcast

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. Martin is a cannabis advocate

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shaking things up in Ireland to push the

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legalization agenda forward , one

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court case at a time . In this

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episode , we talk about the cannabis landscape

1:02

in Ireland and how it differs from what I know here

1:04

in Canada in particular . This conversation

1:07

wouldn't be complete , of course , without my friends

1:09

Greenbeard Grows , who also hails from Ireland

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, and Temple Grower , who is a fellow

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Canuck . I originally intended

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for this episode to come out before St Patrick's

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Day , but won too many edibles

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later . I realized too late that

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I had scheduled it for the week after . Regardless

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, the conversation holds , grab your edibles

1:28

, light your joints and enjoy this fun

1:31

and educational conversation . All

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right , everyone . We are here for

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another episode of Bite Me , the show by edibles

1:43

. This week this

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episode is going out the week of St Patrick's

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Day and I thought I needed an excuse to

1:49

have Martin on my show . Finally

1:52

, martin of Martin's World . If

1:54

you could just take a second and say hello to the listeners

1:56

of Bite Me , martin ? Yes , certainly

1:58

.

1:58

Martin , it's an absolute pleasure to be here . Thanks

2:01

very much for having me . I'm super excited for this conversation

2:04

.

2:04

Great . I'm also joined by

2:07

Temple Grower and Greenbeard

2:09

no strangers to the show of Bite Me . But if you two

2:11

could also say hello to the listeners . Gb

2:14

is currently in town . I was going to be in

2:16

town .

2:17

Yeah , how's it going ? Everybody Temple

2:20

Grower has a long

2:22

full of hash .

2:23

Yeah , I'm really consuming

2:25

, except for me at the moment , but that's okay

2:28

, because I feel like I have to have my wits about me when I

2:30

do this stuff . Otherwise

2:33

, well , I say stupid shit . But anyway , like

2:35

I was saying , the purpose of this episode in

2:38

some ways was because St Patrick's

2:40

Day is coming up . I can't remember when

2:42

it falls , exactly when this will be released , but

2:45

I thought it'd be really interesting to talk about

2:47

the differences in weed life

2:49

between Canada , because that's

2:51

where Temple Grower myself

2:53

are from , and Ireland , which is where

2:55

Martin and GB are from . Maybe

2:58

the first thing would be interesting to talk about was

3:00

just the fact that I have heard that

3:03

they don't celebrate St Patty's Day

3:05

in Ireland

3:07

. True or false ? False ?

3:10

Yeah , it would say false too . Yeah

3:13

, it's well celebrated here

3:15

, for sure . Why ?

3:17

would I have heard it if it ?

3:18

was not celebrated .

3:20

It's even celebrated so much

3:23

that we celebrate it for an entire

3:25

weekend . It's St

3:27

Patrick's Day is on Sunday

3:29

, the 17th of March , and

3:32

then we have because it falls

3:34

on a weekend day we're

3:36

having the Monday off as a

3:38

bank holiday , so we will

3:40

have extra time to celebrate and get

3:43

drunk and get very stoned , you're

3:47

celebrating .

3:47

Is it just like ours ? We just get shitfaced

3:50

yeah .

3:51

Pretty much and we have parties .

3:54

I like to keep the green for Patty's Day . To be

3:56

fair , not myself actually

3:58

going green , but green

4:00

in terms of what I consume from

4:02

the green milkshakes at McDonald's

4:04

.

4:06

Not as a thing . Man , they do that the green

4:08

milkshakes and green beer .

4:10

Green beer ? We don't have green beer .

4:12

No , I've never seen green beer Really

4:15

gross , mostly because it's usually the house beer

4:17

.

4:19

So I've never tried it . It doesn't appeal

4:21

to me . Green beer myself .

4:25

I have seen on occasion

4:28

a Guinness head maybe

4:30

. Great , like a little kind

4:32

of a green thing on the top of it

4:34

.

4:36

I've seen shamrocks actually . I had

4:38

to say that kind of imprinted

4:41

in , like with different kind of techniques , I

4:43

think one of them like sprinkled something on

4:45

to it , like put a little stencil over

4:47

, sprinkled something , and it was like a

4:49

black on white , because obviously the head of

4:51

the point was white and

4:53

they kind of sprinkled the shamrock on to the top

4:55

.

4:57

Well , that would be nice , I would drink something like that

4:59

, but the green beer sounds pretty gross . But

5:01

is it mostly a drinking holiday then ? Like , are people

5:03

consuming much weed ? I know you would be Martin

5:06

and you would be GB , but because

5:08

you guys are both big stoners- yeah

5:13

, not a lot of people would .

5:15

It is a big drink and holiday

5:17

, but it's a big thing for the kids as well

5:20

, because in all every

5:22

community they'll have a parade

5:24

. So all the kids will get to go

5:26

out in their things . And

5:28

it's not just the kids , it's all the clubs

5:30

, everything in the communities can go out

5:33

and they get to do a little march

5:35

around the towns and the squares

5:38

and things and everybody waves at

5:40

them and they think they're for

5:42

the little ones . It's special .

5:47

It's a good opportunity for the community to

5:49

showcase what they offer within

5:52

their community to

5:54

, from the different dance clubs

5:56

, from Perlin Jay

5:58

, things like that . They'd have

6:00

the kids out there marching along showing off their

6:02

tent and tent pride in their community and their clubs . So

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I think it's a good thing and I hope it's something that doesn't

6:08

ever get out . Sadly

6:11

, we become more diversified

6:13

in things like that but we

6:16

lose these all traditional kind of things

6:18

, these showcasing

6:20

of the communities . So

6:22

yeah , I hope it's something that doesn't ever die out and that we

6:24

do continue to celebrate for

6:28

a long time .

6:30

Yeah , so if you definitely celebrate

6:32

St Patrick's Day , is 420 a big

6:34

holiday in Ireland .

6:36

I mean , it's not really a holiday here , but

6:38

what's that ?

6:40

For us , it is Well .

6:43

I was going to say for a

6:46

small community of us now

6:48

, the last 420 event

6:50

last year . I think there was Maren , you could correct

6:52

me on this , but it was somewhere in the region like 1500

6:55

or 1600 people .

6:57

Yeah , it was quite a large event

6:59

. To be fair , we

7:02

had the law in

7:04

. What , would you say , did they were there monitoring

7:07

the event , but they didn't think they were fair with anybody

7:09

. They were a special group . That's that

7:11

there .

7:12

No , it's scared to shit out of some of us because

7:15

, like some of us , were in the middle of actually

7:17

rolling and walking

7:19

straight past and stop pulling and look

7:21

down , you

7:24

just see a shadow and you look up and

7:26

it's a fucking sergeant , she kind of she

7:28

, just you know . But then you

7:30

just went and walked on .

7:33

That was it , so they're just turning

7:35

the like , looking the other way because it was

7:37

420 .

7:39

Yeah .

7:39

I think , yeah

7:42

.

7:43

I'd say it was just the protest and the numbers

7:46

that were there as well , as you were saying

7:48

, well , over a thousand people there

7:51

on the day and like , had they

7:53

really interfered with one or two people

7:55

there ? Most likely . Then , like hope

7:57

, you would hope that everybody else

7:59

would kind of say , well , look , if you're doing them , you better

8:01

do me , and kind of make

8:03

it very difficult for the cops to do one

8:06

person alone , because

8:08

I suppose we are all there in solidarity together

8:10

in protest . You

8:12

would hope that . So . I think that's

8:14

why they respected our right to protest

8:16

. That there's because they were

8:18

just fearful of how the the crowd

8:21

might react , not in a violent way

8:23

, but in civil disobedience

8:25

Maybe right .

8:27

So , generally speaking then , what is like ? What's

8:30

the feeling about cannabis in Ireland

8:32

? Like , because I think on . Recently

8:35

I saw an article where , in the States , 70 percent

8:37

of people are looking for some kind of legalization

8:39

, even though they don't have it federally

8:41

in Canada . Obviously it's legal , so

8:43

most people , even if they don't agree with it . Well , tough

8:46

titties . But like

8:48

, what's the consensus generally among general

8:50

public when it comes to legalization

8:52

?

8:54

I would say like right or much in

8:56

favor of change to the overall

8:58

general public . I

9:01

think there's a lot of misinformation

9:05

out there , kind of floated around , as to

9:07

what legalization means or decriminalization

9:10

kind of means . If you were to ask a person

9:12

, but if you were to explain to a person you

9:14

know , or even ask them a more simple fighting

9:16

do you think a person should be criminalized

9:19

for the use of cannabis or the possession

9:21

of cannabis ? I would

9:23

imagine like a good eight times out of

9:25

10 , nine times out of 10 , you're probably going to get no

9:27

. I don't think that's right

9:30

or justified .

9:33

That kind of way you think you generally

9:37

accepted amongst the public .

9:40

I think it is . I think it is among

9:43

the vast majority of the public

9:45

. You do have a couple of more

9:48

resistant . You

9:51

could say to it

9:53

that they just aren't

9:55

into it at all . I found

9:57

more people when I

9:59

speak to them about CBD

10:02

. They're

10:04

very interactive with me about it

10:06

and they're very into it about with

10:09

their pets , big

10:12

into it for their pets , and then they'll

10:14

, because I spoke to a few people and they said

10:16

that they actually give it to their cats

10:18

and they give it to their dogs . I give it to my dogs

10:22

and then I say to

10:24

them well , why don't you take it for yourself ? Oh

10:26

, no , no , no , no . I mean you give it

10:28

to your dog and you

10:31

start a conversation with them then and

10:33

then the amount of people I know and how that are

10:35

taking CBD and they're

10:38

not at the point of THC

10:41

well , they could be eventually

10:43

if it was legal . And that's the problem

10:45

over here is because it's so

10:48

stigmatized , once thing

10:50

. But then the criminal aspect of it is

10:53

so severe , as my friend Martin

10:55

here knows . Yeah

10:57

, unfortunately , yeah

10:59

, and that's the thing . It's

11:02

just they're

11:04

so harsh the laws and they're

11:06

so draconian as well . And that's

11:08

what people want changed .

11:10

Right , it's the laws . It's like how strict

11:12

the laws are . So if you started with that , that

11:14

would be movement forward , even if they didn't necessarily

11:16

legalize right away .

11:19

I don't think we're going to get recreation

11:21

in Ireland for a very long time , but I do see

11:23

the medical opening up . People

11:26

think that Ireland has a medical system because

11:28

it's said that

11:30

we have , but we have , I think , less

11:34

than 50 people or could be a

11:36

little bit more . Now on

11:38

the actual medical license , and

11:41

because you have to get the license , you have

11:43

to go to the minister of health to get

11:45

the license . Say

11:48

, in Canada , if you had to apply to

11:51

the minister of health , every

11:53

single person had to apply and he had

11:55

to give , or she had to give

11:57

, their permission for that

11:59

person to get a limited

12:01

, very , very limited , a

12:04

couple of products . That's all you're

12:06

able to . How long would that take ?

12:09

It sounds like a backlog . It

12:11

would be crazy because here in Canada it's like

12:13

pretty easy , as far as I know , to get

12:16

a medical

12:18

cannabis and you can buy it at dispensaries

12:20

designated dispensaries or have

12:23

somebody grow it for you as well .

12:26

Over here . You have to get it from

12:28

the Hague , if

12:30

not mistaken . So it has to be couriered

12:33

by DHL

12:35

or UBS or some crowd like that

12:37

, and they have to deliver from the door

12:39

to your door , and that's the only

12:42

way you can get it .

12:43

So it's only ordered online .

12:45

Only ordered online and you can

12:47

only get , as I said , very , very

12:50

limited things on it . We've

12:52

had people in this country that have

12:54

had to leave and move

12:56

to Spain and move to other

12:58

countries just so that they

13:00

can access the medicine that they have already

13:03

been said that they can have , but they're not

13:05

being provided it .

13:07

Right , and that's mainly because you're saying this

13:09

backlog , like you have to go directly to the Minister

13:12

of Health .

13:13

And he doesn't want to give anybody access

13:15

to it , Although he has said it before . He

13:17

was given his ministerial position

13:19

or he won a selection . He said

13:21

that anyone over the age of 18

13:24

should be able to consume

13:26

cannabis the same way as they consume alcohol

13:29

, but as soon as he was elected , that got

13:31

reneged straight away . And

13:33

just like Blanche , ignores it . Martin

13:35

knows way , way more on this than I do .

13:38

So if there's only 50 medical

13:40

patients in all of Ireland right now , is

13:42

that that's accurate ?

13:45

Yeah , probably less than that , I would imagine nearly

13:47

.

13:48

Right .

13:50

Is it expensive ?

13:51

Like does it cost a lot of money to get a medical card Some

13:54

kind ?

13:56

It's pricey enough to get a like

13:58

a Alicia Ma who's stuck over in Alicante

14:00

in Spain . She had a license

14:03

to use cannabis in Ireland but it's

14:06

easier and cheaper to get access to

14:08

it in Spain and the variety

14:11

, the selection , is actually greater . The

14:14

quality is , you know , at times

14:16

probably superior as well to what was

14:18

on offer here in Ireland because

14:21

, as GB was saying , it

14:23

primarily came from the Hague , initially

14:25

, all coming from Bedrocan

14:27

, one company over there . They

14:31

had only actually one

14:33

strain that they worked with . It was a

14:35

Jack-O-Rare strain , you know , and I'm sure

14:37

Tim will probably be quite excited

14:40

hearing that one . But

14:43

for Alicia , as she

14:46

explained , you know that

14:48

that would excite her nerves

14:50

. She suffered with chronic pain in

14:53

the nerves and that would actually cause an

14:55

excitation of the nerves which would stimulate

14:57

and up-regulate the pain , rather

15:00

than something a bit more

15:02

sedative like a heavy

15:04

white widow or something along those lines , a nice black

15:06

domino or something that

15:09

was delivering more on

15:11

the pain relief inside . She

15:15

wouldn't eat , the consume a whole lot , but

15:18

one thing she did know was there were certain strains

15:20

that if she consumed them they actually

15:22

stimulated her pain and were counterproductive

15:25

for her condition . And that

15:27

was the strain that was available from Bedrocan

15:30

. That was the one that would excite her pain . So

15:32

she stuck over in Alicante . You know been

15:35

sharing the hashtag bring Alicia home for

15:37

quite some time now and that's gone

15:39

around for over two years

15:41

. The court case

15:43

I'm in court for in just over two weeks

15:45

that was over me planting

15:47

a cannabis plant in

15:50

public . Several times . Some

15:52

of them actually just got brought straight into

15:54

the guard station , the cop shops there and

15:57

I included a hashtag on the plant

15:59

label , which was hashtag

16:01

bring Alicia home and hashtag

16:04

talk to Vera Vera

16:06

to me , whose daughter since unfortunately

16:08

passed away . But before

16:10

she passed away , cannabis afforded her a much greater

16:13

quality of life and our government

16:15

at that time were ignoring Vera and

16:18

that's where the hashtag then came from

16:20

, the hashtag talk to Vera , and

16:22

that's why they were included in those plants have

16:24

been planted out , but that's

16:26

the kind of the state of medical cannabis in this

16:28

country . You know you use the sale

16:30

of Vera to me , whose daughter since passed away , but

16:32

unfortunately , that mother at the sacrifice

16:34

time with her daughter , as it says

16:36

, unfortunately passed now . She

16:39

sacrificed that time to get access to a medicine

16:41

that afforded her daughter a much better quality

16:43

of life and to get access to that

16:45

was not easy feat . She walked from

16:47

from Cork all the way to Dublin

16:49

, which I think at the time it

16:52

took her nearly a week or something along

16:54

those lines . It was quite

16:56

some time it took her to walk . It's just 330

17:00

kilometers or something like that , from Cork to Dublin

17:02

. She

17:04

got accompanied by a marching band from a local

17:06

school along the way and everything . It was a very

17:09

powerful thing for her to do . But

17:12

remember , like she sacrificed time with

17:14

her daughter . She never got back afterwards

17:16

, you know , to get access to this medicine

17:18

which did improve the quality of life

17:20

for her . But unfortunately

17:22

, like she didn't even get to enjoy that

17:24

because she was constantly on the phone to

17:26

the Minister for Health at the time during COVID

17:29

the secure delivery of the medicine

17:31

for her daughter . Because obviously

17:33

, with COVID traveling on a confined

17:36

space and airplane coming

17:38

back then to her very vulnerable daughter who's

17:40

got a compromised immune system , that's

17:43

going to be extremely worrisome for her parents

17:45

to be doing . So that's kind of where

17:48

that hashtag came from , like the support there

17:50

at that time . Talk to Vera . We wanted the

17:52

government to have a proper conversation Turkish

17:54

. That we're just putting around the long finger . But

17:57

that's how to treat patients here in Ireland

17:59

myself epilepsy patient . No

18:02

medical access to cannabis . Unfortunately

18:05

have to medicated legally , despite

18:09

my neurologist saying oh I'm very worried about

18:11

you , martin , because you're not taking any medicine . I

18:13

took four different drugs . You tried me

18:15

on and I had breakthrough seizures and all of them . Do

18:18

you have anything I've successfully been kind of controlling my

18:20

seizures to some degree about has been cannabis

18:22

.

18:23

And you're still not able to access medical cannabis

18:26

despite all of that , all

18:28

showing that all the pharmaceuticals weren't suitable

18:30

for you .

18:31

Yeah , pretty much Like one of the

18:33

pharmaceuticals . They actually put me on KEPRA

18:35

and

18:37

I'm surprised that it murdered somebody while I was

18:39

on it , like it caused all

18:41

sorts of . I think it was described as

18:43

psychosomatic or something like that , I

18:45

think is how it was described . It's

18:48

actually known as KEPRA rage the side

18:51

effect that was the drug KEPRA

18:53

, and the doctor had no problem

18:55

prescribing me this stuff and I

18:57

swear like you could have just looked at me side

19:00

a bit wrong and I would have been

19:02

nearly leaping happy at the fucking

19:04

pain in the chill I

19:06

just flash angered at I'd

19:08

never experienced before and I hope I have

19:11

never experienced again because , to

19:13

be very honest , it frightened me .

19:15

No doubt , Especially when it looks like a known

19:17

side effect . Kepra rage . Is that what you

19:19

called it ? Like they have a known side effect , they're

19:22

prescribing that .

19:23

Yeah .

19:24

And .

19:24

I didn't even get warned about this , like you know . Hey

19:27

, this is a very . It was a common

19:29

side effect .

19:30

Right .

19:31

I didn't say nothing like that . Just here you go off , you

19:34

go home with like three young kids , three

19:36

young kids at home at the time . One

19:38

of them was extremely young , like

19:40

my partner was not long after giving

19:43

birth to our son . That's that time when I was on

19:45

that drug . So

19:47

, jesus , it was just very vulnerable

19:49

situation to be in .

19:52

It seems like irresponsible not to warn you about that

19:54

, because part of the Hippocratic oath I

19:56

thought was supposed to be do no harm . And

19:58

then you send somebody off with a drug with

20:00

a known common side effect into

20:03

a house with young children because bless God

20:05

, bless children . I have some of my own , but

20:07

they can sometimes test

20:09

your patience .

20:10

Oh yeah .

20:12

So that seems pretty crazy . So if

20:14

it's that , so are there any politicians

20:16

right now in Ireland that seem to support any kind of

20:18

medical or recreational cannabis ?

20:21

They play lip service to it , all right , but

20:25

, like , as far as action , like there's

20:27

probably one main politician

20:29

who's been anyway active

20:31

around cannabis and even

20:33

to say active like it's a bit of a stretch

20:36

of door to some degree , because he

20:38

like did the most recent bill

20:40

by this politician do you know , kenny ? It

20:43

was called the cannabis legalization

20:45

regulation bill 2022. , but

20:48

he actually announced it in 2020 . He

20:51

announced he was going to bring the bill out and I

20:53

think it was like December 2020 . Everybody

20:56

was all excited and through the

20:58

entire year of 2021 , nothing

21:01

about it at all . And then

21:03

eventually you kind of get into 2022 and

21:05

he makes an announcement I had a cannabis

21:07

regulation bill 2022 . So

21:11

like he is the most active but

21:13

again , like it doesn't say

21:15

a lot for the act

21:17

, like the level of activity .

21:20

Right . I find it always find that interesting

21:22

because I feel like a lot of politicians

21:24

might be swayed just by the tax

21:27

base that that can bring in and that kind of thing

21:29

Like what's the what's the problem with the issue

21:31

of ? The public wants it and

21:33

yet the politicians are still resistant

21:35

.

21:38

I would love to know what the working system

21:40

is like and what's the way in which they have . I

21:45

know there's a lot of money coming in from

21:48

different places . You're constantly

21:50

hearing our cops

21:53

here the more senior ones up

21:55

, involved with the different organizations . They're

21:58

always talking about this working

22:01

with other agencies and other

22:03

countries . You know that they're always

22:05

kind of working

22:07

together . There's actually a number

22:09

of guards now stationed across the

22:12

globe . There's some in South America and different

22:14

countries in South America . There's some in North

22:16

America . There's some in

22:19

different Eastern European countries

22:22

. We're paying our

22:24

guards to go to these countries to be stationed

22:26

there just to liaise with the

22:29

authorities in that country . Around

22:31

drugs . There's

22:34

probably a small percentage of time spent

22:37

talking about , maybe , people smuggling and

22:39

things like that , but I would imagine 90%

22:41

of their time , if not more , is

22:43

drugs . It's just all about drugs and

22:45

trying to prevent the flow of drugs , which

22:47

they do in an absolutely terrible job office

22:50

. I don't know , but

22:53

this is time , money , resources

22:55

that we really can afford to be wasting

22:57

, Like here in Ireland . Just

23:00

today on the news they were talking again about kids

23:02

waiting extortion

23:05

amongst of time for

23:07

spinal surgeries , surgeries

23:10

to correct the curvature of their spine

23:12

just so that they can sit

23:15

upright , improve their posture , maybe actually

23:17

walk someday potentially , if

23:19

they get this right earlier on in life . They're

23:22

finding that they have to wait years . Meanwhile

23:26

you go to court here , free

23:29

legal aid granted you straight away if you're

23:31

a caught with cannabis . So solicitors

23:33

getting paid for that if they want to stick you into prison

23:35

. There's up 80 grand there for a year

23:37

. Poor prisoner in Ireland is the average

23:39

cost . You go into

23:41

prison , then you're afforded

23:43

. They have Netflix and a whole lot inside

23:46

of there , which is absurd

23:48

. Makes very little sense to me . But

23:50

at the same time , look if there's people in there for

23:53

things like simple possession or even

23:55

selling cannabis , then do you know what

23:57

Fucking fair play ? I don't have a bit of Netflix until

23:59

we can get them out of there . Once

24:02

we get them out of there and it's just a hardened criminals

24:04

then take away their Netflix again .

24:10

If it keeps people quiet

24:12

and take away . It's hard enough when you get locked

24:15

up for any reason . For

24:17

some reason it's a joke . It's

24:21

an absolute joke because

24:23

the laws over in this country are ridiculous

24:26

. Like abusers

24:29

get less than what the fucking dealer

24:31

gets .

24:32

So what is the common ? What's the

24:34

common ? I guess pun

24:37

, for lack of a better word . If you get caught

24:39

with personal weed on

24:41

you , like you have a three and

24:43

a half grams on you or something like that , Are

24:46

you going to see jail time or are they going to like

24:48

?

24:49

At the minute . I think it's at

24:51

the discretion of the guard up

24:53

to three and a half grams or seven grams

24:55

that they could give you a street caution

24:57

. I think . I'm

25:01

not sure if that's changed or

25:03

not .

25:05

No , that's still the same , but it seems

25:07

like again it's at the discretion of

25:09

the guard .

25:11

So yeah , I think

25:13

it depends if you refer

25:16

to your three and a half grams as a eighth

25:19

properly or a half quarter improperly

25:21

.

25:22

That was a question I want to ask and

25:24

I use the word 3.5 grams on purpose

25:27

because I was curious what they call it in

25:29

Ireland . In Ontario , where I

25:31

am in Canada , we call it a half quarter

25:33

, which TG

25:35

just said . That is incorrect , but

25:38

as an Ontarian I feel like that is very correct

25:40

. It is half of a quarter , so it's a half quarter

25:42

. That makes total sense .

25:43

Yeah , I get it .

25:44

But probably to refer to it as by its value

25:46

. Quite often they called it a 50

25:49

bag , because

25:51

you pay 50 quid for it .

25:53

I like it . Henry . Henry is excellent

25:56

.

25:57

Henry . A lot of people call it Henry

25:59

in the UK and things because

26:02

what's a Henry ?

26:03

Is that a 50 ? And eight .

26:04

Well , it's an eight , so Henry's

26:07

eight .

26:09

Ah shit , that went straight over me Right

26:11

.

26:12

That's one of the differences to them , because here

26:15

, like , three and a half grams cost half that

26:17

. So no one's calling it a 50 bag

26:19

or a Henry . Yeah , so

26:22

there's that too . So you

26:24

guys just called it a Henry or a 50 bag For

26:27

three and a half grams 50 bag .

26:29

Yeah , 50 bag . We never called it a Henry here

26:31

and decided to board on that

26:33

.

26:35

What do you call it TG ? Because obviously

26:37

half quarter is incorrect as far as your

26:39

concern .

26:40

Well , you know , this is the existential

26:43

Canadian debate . It

26:45

really does depend where you are , and maybe there's

26:48

some people out here . I don't exactly know where that dividing

26:50

line is between the West

26:52

and Ontario and the rest of Canada

26:54

, the East there , bc , they don't call it that

26:57

. I'm pretty sure I shouldn't speak for BC , but all

26:59

of my experience has been in eighth . Can

27:01

I get you know eighths ?

27:04

Right . It just

27:06

feels American to me when I hear an eighth .

27:09

Yeah .

27:09

Sounds American . I don't know why . Is that imperial

27:11

or something ? Quarter half .

27:14

I like it because it's consistent with the rest

27:16

of the measurements , ie like the quarter

27:18

half . You don't call it now it's a

27:20

full , but you know , call it a zip or something

27:23

.

27:23

Right .

27:23

Okay . But , yeah , it's

27:26

just the divisions

27:29

of the ounce . But that half quarter is just

27:31

janky Because it's like I

27:33

don't know .

27:33

I think it works . I don't

27:35

know . I said it's a half a quarter

27:37

, so that's

27:40

what I'm used to . I don't know if they say that I've always

27:42

heard that's an Ontario thing specifically , for

27:44

whatever reason , and I don't know why we would have adopted

27:46

half quarter versus any

27:48

other way to call it something .

27:51

But you wouldn't call it a half a quarter . Like you

27:53

know , it's being correct to put the two fractions

27:56

together like this . It just it feels

27:58

fun .

27:58

I know .

28:00

I don't make this shit up , I just use

28:02

the terms .

28:03

I grew up with .

28:04

But it is it is always fun at like

28:06

a funny debate , because people are like a half quarter

28:08

and when I worked in the dispensary before

28:10

you always knew if somebody was from outside

28:13

of Ontario because they would ask for something

28:15

other than a half quarter . Like everybody

28:17

came in asking for a half quarters but yeah

28:20

, if they weren't from Ontario they'd

28:22

be like it's just so funny . I don't know .

28:23

I know it is Nobody's ever asked me for a

28:26

half quarter on any of my interactions

28:28

?

28:28

I probably have . But Well , you

28:30

yeah but you're from Ontario . No

28:32

, I'm a weirdo from Ontario , but that's something

28:35

else that I find interesting is also the

28:37

cost , Because I understand . I mean

28:39

it's legal here in Canada , obviously

28:41

, but even before legalization

28:44

the prices of weed and

28:46

hash stay pretty consistent

28:49

for like a good 20 years , Like when I was

28:51

in high school . Three and a half

28:53

grams cost like 25 bucks

28:55

and that was still the same when

28:57

I was like in my 30s and

28:59

40s . And then legalization came and there's

29:01

taxes and people have premium weed and

29:03

all this shit , but before that the prices were

29:06

very consistent and it

29:08

was almost like inflation proof . It was kind of weird . It

29:10

was one of those black market things where it was

29:12

inflation proof . But how much does weed

29:14

cost in Ireland ?

29:17

And I'm sure it depends on where you're from Sorry . It's

29:19

funny you say it's inflation proof because that's

29:21

something I've heard repeated here like several

29:23

times over the years is that , like

29:26

despite the recessions are sorry

29:29

they've the cost of living going up

29:31

, not the recessions . That

29:33

the cannabis market like it's , I

29:36

suppose , even actually going back now

29:38

to 2008 , like it kind

29:40

of was recession proof too . Well

29:42

, the price fell out of every other market out there . Like

29:45

it's kind of cannabis stayed solid

29:47

and same , like while the cost

29:49

of everything else is going up . Cannabis

29:52

, you know it , does you a solid and it stays fucking

29:54

where it is , like not you

29:57

can almost rely on it all the time , like you know what I mean

29:59

.

30:00

It's still extortionately

30:02

expensive . Oh , yeah , no , definitely

30:04

. And then once you pay from

30:07

dependent where you are in the country and

30:10

who it is you pay anything

30:12

from 250 to fucking , could

30:15

be 450 , could be five

30:17

or 600 , depending on what weed it is Like

30:19

if it's Caliweed , you

30:22

know you will

30:24

pay 5500 out

30:26

. Quid for announcing some places ? It's fucking

30:28

madness .

30:30

And for those who are listening , who could not see

30:32

GB do the air quotes around Caliweed and also

30:34

Martin laugh about that . So maybe

30:36

you can talk a bit about that , like , what

30:38

kind of weed do you get there ? Because obviously

30:41

Caliweed . You guys are both super skeptical

30:43

about Caliweed showing up in

30:45

Ireland .

30:47

So okay , as

30:49

somebody who now has been

30:51

to Canada

30:54

and has seen and

30:56

experienced the weed in Canada

30:58

. What

31:01

you get as kind of like

31:03

mids and smalls

31:06

is what we begin so

31:10

like you're talking , tiny little boards like that so you

31:12

can't really see so

31:15

like um , the

31:18

size of like a .

31:22

Popcorn nugs kind of yeah

31:25

, exactly . Yeah , that's

31:27

what you get . That's your Cali weed

31:29

.

31:29

That's because it says it on the mylar , that's why

31:32

it's Cali . You

31:34

don't even know .

31:36

That's it . You don't know if it is what it

31:38

is . It could be just plain old fucking

31:40

Say lemon haze

31:42

and they'll pass it off as something else

31:44

and just change the name and put it on the

31:46

bag and then charge you a hundred grades

31:49

for that same 3.5,

31:51

. You know , forget

31:55

the from a reputable person that

31:57

you know themselves , like

31:59

this pair . You know who it is

32:01

, you know he's legit . Yeah

32:03

.

32:04

He's the buddy from a dude that I'm

32:07

like I think that's almost universal like he would

32:09

lay , he'd come over because Canada

32:11

, you know , it was a little more Accessible

32:14

than meeting in a parking lot like you guys have to do

32:16

. But yeah , he'd come over and like , sit on

32:18

my coach and he'd bring his backpack . I could open up

32:20

his briefcase , essentially , and lay it on my table

32:23

and he'd be like this one's 150

32:26

, 170 , and then this shit was

32:28

you know the 220 , but I'm pretty

32:30

sure it was all the same shit , because I'd always buy everything

32:32

. I would always face this man and like

32:34

what the fuck , you know , except

32:37

the lemon ? He always had some lemon shit which was way different

32:39

, but I don't like lemon very much .

32:42

So that wasn't an appeal to you , but that's

32:44

something else that that's interesting , because I've heard

32:46

you mentioned that before , and I

32:48

mean Before it was legal , I

32:50

used to sell a little bit of weed and people will come over

32:52

to my house and hang out a bit or I'd

32:54

go buy it Places . Same kind of experience , but

32:57

I understand it's a lot different in Ireland , like when

32:59

you buy weed off the street . Yeah , there is

33:01

no like shooting the shit with somebody . No

33:03

at the heat off or whatever . But

33:06

no .

33:11

Depends on how you met people as well , because

33:15

I've definitely had that street

33:17

deal done before like boom-boom-boom

33:20

, but then you kind of have like

33:22

that pineapple express deal , where

33:24

somebody comes playing . It's like two , three hours

33:26

later and you're like this person's fucking out

33:28

when you fuck off already .

33:30

Right , like you give them their money and then you hope they come

33:32

back .

33:36

Shit , and you're just like man . I got to

33:38

go here .

33:41

Yeah , there's proven cons to both approaches

33:43

. Because , yeah , sometimes , when someone's sitting

33:45

on your couch and you're like , yeah , I got , I got

33:47

shit to do , we're someone else coming over or

33:49

whatever and you're like we kind of wrap this

33:51

up and the heat back in . That at

33:53

that period of my life Was I

33:55

lived in a nice little suburban neighborhood . No one

33:57

was really suspecting that there was being weed

34:00

dealt out of the house , I can tell you that much

34:02

. But is it like safe to buy

34:04

weed on the street like there ? Are

34:06

there Safety concerns for people like

34:08

if I was to go meet some dude in a parking

34:11

lot , am I gonna get mugged

34:13

or worse ?

34:15

for a female I'd say there's definitely going to be added

34:17

concerns there because , like

34:19

, if you're going on your own to meet somebody

34:21

like that , that's probably going to be a big like

34:24

. No , no , probably just definitely how somebody on the

34:26

corner waiting for you as a female but

34:28

right as a as

34:30

a guy , even like you kind of have the

34:32

dangerous there because potentially you

34:35

could be wrapped on unlikely

34:37

but still the

34:39

risk is there if you're above and Dublin

34:41

just probably a much higher chance than

34:43

, say , if you were down in Summer sound like

34:45

hark .

34:50

I .

34:57

There's just a running joke about Guinness

34:59

and Murphy's .

35:02

Inside joke .

35:04

What do you think you thought you didn't get safe playing

35:06

Around the place like in terms of

35:09

risk from the person who's selling it to you and

35:11

even the rest of the cops ?

35:13

Yeah , I do . It

35:16

depends where you're getting . It depends you you're

35:18

getting it off . It depends where the

35:20

area that you're breaking it up and

35:22

I have bought

35:25

weed in multiple parts

35:27

of the country go all over

35:29

the place and I bought

35:31

in many countries that

35:34

it's illegal . It's like a Dead

35:37

. The other half calls me a fucking , a

35:39

bloodhound for weed . He said no

35:41

matter where you go , you find

35:43

it within an hour . You

35:46

know , because I just walk up to somebody

35:48

in the street say Can

35:50

you open up ? But

35:53

then , yeah , it depends

35:56

where you are , you know , and especially like

35:58

with the cops , it depends why you're

36:00

hearing , because , like , if you're on a place that's right

36:02

, huh , anyway , where the law is everywhere , you

36:04

have a much higher chance to get

36:06

stopped .

36:08

And to most these dealers , are they usually like they

36:11

usually just selling weed ? Or they might tell like

36:13

sell all kinds of shit , because I would imagine the danger

36:15

or the risk increases if

36:17

they're handling more than one product and

36:20

a lot , a lot of them would

36:23

.

36:23

A lot of them don't . A lot of them just sell weed

36:25

and that's it . I have to say , like in my

36:27

later years they

36:30

were the ones that I kind of only really dealt

36:32

with . I didn't really deal with people that saw

36:34

a coke or saw pills or saw Everything

36:36

else , like they just saw weed . They were just

36:38

weed people . They were just people , you

36:41

know yeah so yeah

36:43

, I met them , true Other

36:46

people that I knew that smoked and true things

36:48

, and that's even though I

36:50

didn't know many people that smoked until

36:52

a couple years ago . You know , it was only really

36:55

just me and one or two me mates .

36:57

No , because people don't talk about it , I guess because it's not

36:59

legal right .

37:01

Not really , yeah you .

37:05

Better guys , though , who are just

37:07

blatant about it . In the cities

37:09

like above and Dublin and all this is a thing , and

37:11

down here in Cork it's a thing where fellas

37:13

will have their their snapchat logo

37:16

on a sticker and you see it

37:18

slapped in places like and it will be an

37:20

obvious like we leave like kind of

37:22

Somewhere on it , like not kind of the

37:24

draw . You're right . It's kind of like

37:26

one of these things if , if you're a stoner

37:29

, if you're attracted to cannabis like you put a weed

37:31

leaf somewhere like and a small little one of that

37:33

like it's gonna catch her eye , like

37:35

I could , like I remember there's . There

37:39

was a little barbers in the city here and I had

37:41

these Mosaic on the outside

37:43

, but it used to be get up and grow

37:45

before . It was a barbers and it

37:48

was just known as the weed leaf barbers

37:50

then afterwards , because they kept the mosaic

37:52

there and you would you'd walk past it

37:54

if you didn't know what was actually there . But

37:57

I never forget the first time I seen it and then I realized

37:59

it was a grow shop at the time , because this

38:01

was like 15 years

38:03

ago , maybe more long , before

38:06

I ever knew about growing cannabis . This

38:08

is when I didn't even know about eight

38:10

. Eight was just cocaine actually , because

38:12

we only ever dealt with quarters , with

38:14

hash and stuff like that . I

38:17

and we didn't come around until the hash

38:19

got tainted with the diesel . Diesel

38:23

hash , oh god .

38:25

Yuck , I do .

38:29

So what kind of products

38:31

do you guys have over there then ? I mean , obviously you have overpriced

38:34

A little bit of a nice uh Cali weed

38:36

, but then you have this

38:38

hash that you're talking about . What else can people get

38:40

?

38:42

I'm fortunate enough I've not really had

38:44

to buy outside of

38:46

, like , say , a growers network

38:48

that I kind of connected with him , like . I

38:50

know a few people who grow and luckily enough

38:52

I can get looked after by them and

38:55

true them . You know you're getting access to things

38:57

like bubble hash , different

38:59

kinds of edibles , kind of whatever

39:01

they might make themselves from

39:03

time to time . Then you know you might venture outside

39:05

like a Pick up . An ounce

39:07

there while ago you probably can't see it over

39:10

the green screen of some levels is

39:12

Two hundred forty for

39:14

the answer , which is quite good . That's

39:17

pretty exciting if it's real levels is

39:20

yeah , no reason that

39:22

the question is definitely got a hazy volume to it

39:24

and I've never actually tried

39:26

, never say is from anybody who's grown . It's so

39:28

.

39:29

Can't come with me through real fucking strong

39:32

, like put you in the closet and like the cops

39:34

are coming , man kind of shit .

39:42

Can people get like pens and stuff like that

39:44

? Like not that I really endorse these things .

39:47

I wouldn't say not here . I

39:49

don't know what you might think , but I just think the risk

39:51

is too high in terms

39:53

of kids .

39:57

Unless you know they're expensive , expensive

40:00

as fuck . Yeah

40:02

, they cost you a hundred quid for like

40:05

10 , because half a milligram

40:08

or a one milliliter .

40:11

Really well one milliliter of something

40:14

that is really . Yeah

40:18

yeah , you definitely want to answer that

40:20

shit .

40:21

Hundred percent yeah and it's the same

40:23

. If you're looking for sauce and diamonds for a gram

40:25

, you're gonna be talking anywhere from anywhere

40:28

in the region of 100 to 120

40:30

quid . Yeah

40:32

, and do you like some rosin and things

40:34

? You're gonna be up there around the same . As

40:36

far as you know , you're gonna be talking in the region

40:39

of 80 to 120 quid . No

40:42

far different things . That's

40:44

that's from my experience and

40:47

that's why I don't really use concentrate

40:49

so much .

40:50

Yeah , because they're so expensive . I mean that means a lot

40:52

of times in those pens , like you said . If they're not

40:54

, yeah , you just never really know what's

40:56

in them . So I can imagine how they would be very

40:59

unsafe to use if you have no idea , like

41:01

, what you're inhaling . And every time I hear

41:03

something about like vapes generally not even necessarily

41:06

weed vapes People are like they're so bad

41:08

for you .

41:09

Yeah , so yeah , I think

41:11

it's relevant for this conversation

41:13

on this podcast on is the forensic

41:16

science or and that's

41:18

who test all the seas

41:20

drugs in Ireland . They put a

41:23

statement there just over

41:25

months ago where they announced that

41:27

over 50% of the

41:29

edibles to get that they seized

41:31

tested like negative

41:33

for any THC and actually tested positive

41:36

for synthetic cannabinoids . So

41:39

yeah , these products like over 50%

41:41

tested positive for these synthetic

41:43

cannabinoids and I

41:47

actually don't know if they tested negative for

41:49

THC . But that's what

41:51

the point . That was the fact that the test of positive

41:53

. So I'm assuming then that

41:55

didn't test positive for THC when

41:57

tested for that , because why else would they

41:59

have been testing for these other synthetics

42:02

than afterwards ? Normally they'll just

42:04

test for THC , right , it's their grand

42:06

job done , shut closed . But

42:08

if they don't find it right

42:10

, well , we need to find something . Let's test for more

42:12

. So I'm assuming they didn't find

42:15

THC and those products and that's why they went

42:17

looking for other things . So , like you're

42:19

playing Really

42:21

here in Ireland . So buying products like

42:24

that , unless you know , as I said , you know

42:26

I would never really purchase outside

42:28

of the network of growers

42:30

that I know Just one

42:32

way of protecting myself and reducing my handshield

42:35

harms there . But again

42:37

, young and up , a common first

42:39

time consumers . They're the most one

42:41

of them right now .

42:43

It's the same even when it comes to flower , and

42:45

when it comes to it's most

42:48

of the animals that are being

42:51

found and

42:53

being made with synthetic cannabinoids

42:55

Now

43:00

, like a hospital is and things I

43:03

think an awful lot of them is as well as kids are

43:05

just fucking stoned , yeah , and

43:07

they're brought off .

43:10

Those to be quite high in some of these things as

43:12

well . And these kids don't understand what dosage

43:15

is and quite often

43:17

they're intended maybe for an adult

43:19

and maybe for an adult only actually

43:21

like half it . Like there's probably two servants

43:24

there and some of these things , or if it's

43:26

a vape , they're probably puffing , taking

43:28

all 300 puffs within , you

43:30

know , a couple of a half an hour , less than

43:32

an hour , between maybe a group of three or four

43:35

of them . Right , they

43:37

don't realize the dose you're actually taking

43:39

on board . And then when you're dealing with

43:41

something like one of these synthetic cannabinoids

43:43

or even the semi synthetic HHC

43:46

that's kind of very popular at the moment , actually

43:48

has a higher potency there , has like a

43:50

higher affinity to the receptor

43:53

and it's like

43:55

the reaction and from the receptor that

43:58

interacts with us Want to be more

44:00

, more important response .

44:04

I never would have occurred to me that there be edibles on the market

44:06

don't don't even contain like THC

44:08

. Find that

44:11

like super crazy and of course , because it's prohibited

44:13

, nobody can talk about it really , and

44:15

they don't educate the kids about it , like he said

44:17

. So there you got your friend group and they're like some

44:19

kid found like an edible or a vape or

44:22

whatever and they just don't have

44:24

the education to know even how to consume

44:26

it properly .

44:28

Yeah , that seems .

44:31

Exactly where is the same young people who

44:33

are coming to alcohol ? No , worries

44:35

.

44:37

Yeah , and that's it like this . The amount of

44:39

young people that do

44:41

on a fucking weekly

44:44

basis in Oregon , jew

44:46

to . You . Never hear about it . You know our

44:48

media . So sensors you don't

44:50

think they never put the bad things

44:52

happen . You know they never

44:54

. It's they only

44:56

show what they want

44:58

to show . So it's only if it was somebody

45:01

famous or somebody important

45:03

died and if they had cannabis

45:05

in their system will then to be all over that

45:07

, you know . Or if there was some

45:09

, if there was a big crime or something , or a big like

45:12

a mortar or something , to have cannabis in

45:14

the system level , then that was it Biggest

45:18

contributor to why they don't do these

45:20

things , or so . You know

45:23

, it's very it's very skewed

45:25

the media and everything in Oregon

45:27

.

45:28

See , bobby Smith was out again recently

45:30

on X . Yeah , he

45:33

was sharing there some fellow killed in the elderly

45:35

neighbor of his . But like , when you get

45:37

into it , like the guy was like

45:39

proper mad , like crazy

45:42

, like and or it was just like

45:44

circumstances like

45:46

that he was consuming cannabis

45:48

. So you just kind of you know coincidence

45:50

like , but actually he wasn't real driver

45:53

there .

45:55

They have this big article about this guy

45:57

murders his neighbor and he was on some kind of

45:59

Smoking weed

46:01

like a reefer man , this type thing

46:03

.

46:04

It is 100% .

46:08

Those ideas are still spread around , a whole ton them

46:10

by the media and then there for probably the government

46:12

, I guess . But like reefer madness ideas

46:15

are still pretty prevalent .

46:16

But this guy , bobby Smith know that that's

46:18

the guy who will keep these reefer man

46:21

side is alive alongside his team

46:23

and what's got cannabis

46:25

grisky lions Like

46:27

we recently had a citizens assembly and

46:29

one of our members was actually on the advisory

46:32

committee . Like

46:34

these guys like really have the air to

46:36

government . How am I

46:38

? We don't know what

46:40

the reason is there , but they have

46:42

a good in there . Is

46:44

it because they're both singing from kind

46:46

of the same hinge sheet ? Like that they support

46:49

each other's tune ? I

46:51

don't know , but they do tend

46:53

to like have quite

46:55

a strong ties there compared to like

46:58

even the drug task forces . Like

47:00

we've got drug task forces in

47:03

this country that are set up to be

47:05

kind of a step in

47:07

stone between the community that they represent

47:10

and the government . Like you know that they liaise

47:12

with the community and then bring that back To

47:14

the government and they'll engage with the services

47:16

to within that area . The

47:20

government don't actually even engage with them as much as

47:22

they would engage with people like those

47:24

guys on the cannabis grisky lions .

47:26

it's it's mad .

47:29

I could go on for ages about like what they

47:31

don't know . Any quickly to like the Was

47:37

yeah , you're like , don't even get me started .

47:39

yeah , yeah , but it sounds like they're propagating still

47:41

a lot of Bullshit stereotypes

47:44

in some ways , and so

47:46

those are still alive and well , because I was going to talk

47:48

about , like , what are some of the common stereotypes

47:50

over in North America ? Of course the

47:52

lazy stoner type Are

47:55

. The lazy stoner stereotype just doesn't want to

47:57

, still doesn't want to die . There's

48:04

always lazy stoner , but there's always just lazy

48:06

people , period .

48:07

It's funny the stoner , but meanwhile

48:09

, like athletes like Sharon

48:12

Richardson , getting like disqualified

48:14

or banned from running because cannabis

48:17

is listed as a performance enhancing drug

48:19

. It's

48:30

like it's hot and it's cold , but

48:32

it's like you can't be bought . Come on

48:34

, pick your side yeah

48:37

, that's very true .

48:38

I don't know , are there other stereotypes that that

48:40

exist in Ireland ?

48:41

you feel like a pretty I

48:46

know more stoners that are the most productive

48:48

people around

48:50

, you know , I know not . I know a few

48:53

as well that are just fucking useless

48:55

bastards . But I know more people

48:58

that aren't stoners , that

49:00

are useless bastards . Yeah , like

49:03

you see , you

49:05

see in nearly every pub

49:07

across Ireland every

49:09

day you will see a

49:12

line of at least three

49:14

or four people Are

49:16

five people in some cases or more

49:18

queuing up outside the door

49:21

at book in 11 or 12 o'clock

49:23

, whatever the time it is . Saturday , I'll serve alcohol

49:25

on the open , waiting to open and walk

49:27

in the door and they'll stay in there and drink all

49:30

day long . And those fuckers have never

49:32

walked in their life . How they do , I do

49:34

not know right , oh

49:37

, it's okay , it's legal and

49:39

they can fall out and walk , fall

49:42

in front of a car and fucking get

49:44

killed or whatever about a

49:47

driver's fault because he should have been watching

49:49

the road right . I

49:51

fell out between two cars . Say

49:53

no , because it was key , or else

49:56

he decided to jump on to his pushboy

49:58

and cycle home .

50:02

Yeah , I wouldn't take much if you've been sitting in a bar drinking

50:05

all day , I mean no , I've

50:07

seen it myself . I've tried to ride a bike drunk before . It's

50:09

just not cool .

50:11

Especially in the country . I say more so in the country

50:13

. You see more like that . No

50:16

, not really in the cities

50:18

as well , you do . You see them killing up outside the doors . But

50:20

again , as I said it's Perfectly fine for them to do that

50:22

. Yeah , they

50:24

try to do safe injection sites in

50:27

Dublin . I don't know if they've done them in Cork , but

50:30

there was big uproar

50:33

against it and it never went ahead . They've

50:36

tried on numerous occasions to do

50:38

things to help , but everything gets pushed

50:40

back then from the communities that they try to put

50:42

them into .

50:45

That supervised injection center actually got

50:47

to go ahead as well , back in like as a

50:49

2016 . Yeah

50:51

, it was a local school that actually

50:53

put in an objection via

50:56

the planning committee or

50:58

whatever that kind of planning association

51:01

is , and the

51:03

project never got to go ahead then by the planning

51:05

kind of commission . But

51:08

basically what they've done in instead is the same

51:10

school by voting against having supervised injection

51:13

center there , like that they haven't

51:15

moved the drug use from the area

51:17

, like which is what they're saying you

51:19

know is going to be attracted to the area

51:21

. It's already in the area , just keeping

51:23

it on the streets . The people are the value

51:26

is they're keeping the kids who

51:28

might be getting off at a bus stop and have

51:30

to kind of walk up a

51:32

foot pad or two like , and they're

51:35

much more likely to encounter these people there

51:37

, like down behind the bin or whatever , and

51:41

that's an even lucky one .

51:43

So you

51:46

walk up the keys in Dublin

51:48

and you don't have to walk

51:50

down an alley or thing , You'll see people

51:52

slumped in doorways injecting

51:55

. You'll see people open

51:57

in church doorways direclaws

52:00

injecting . You see , them open in missionaries

52:02

. You see them all over the place , like Dublin

52:04

is going .

52:06

It's not even in Dublin . On here in Clark we

52:08

sat down on a steps outside

52:10

of a church here in the city . Actually right

52:12

behind the Circa Court

52:14

here in Clark City there's a church and

52:17

just about 50 meters away from the church

52:19

is a nice place . You can get unreal

52:21

pizza slices . So I got

52:23

pizza slices with my small fella and

52:26

we went over there , sat down eating our pizza slices

52:28

and next whatever I kind of looked there's somebody

52:30

over in the corner luching off and just

52:32

getting ready to suck

52:35

the liquid up into their syringe

52:37

. They were just there to be in over there combining

52:39

it with the lighter underneath . They were just

52:41

in the process of sucking it up , so

52:44

I just kind of left them off , took my notice . My

52:47

small fella was on E2 so he didn't have a clue what was

52:49

going on either , so I wasn't really too bothered . I

52:52

kind of felt sorry for the

52:54

person really more than anything . Quick

52:57

others would be to kind of make

52:59

a judgment there , like somebody

53:02

walking past and just be like oh my God , look

53:04

at that . Whatever . It's

53:07

like us when we're outside , smart and a giant and

53:10

we would get these people who walk past them oh

53:12

my God , you smell that , whatever . But

53:14

it was a give us somewhere to go where

53:16

we can consume it , like where we don't

53:18

have to be out here in public , like if

53:20

we can have a new walk by and

53:22

be exposed to it , much

53:25

like that . Obviously those people as well would

53:27

appreciate . Probably somewhere to

53:29

enjoy their heroine

53:32

during a hit and

53:34

come for the peace of safety .

53:37

I live in a small city and we do have

53:39

a safe injection site and sadly , like

53:41

most places , there are a

53:43

community of drug users

53:45

, like hard drug users

53:47

that exist and

53:49

even though we have a safe injection site , you

53:52

still find see them on the streets . But it does

53:54

take a lot of those people and give them a place

53:56

to use their drugs less openly

53:58

and , of course , it gives them clean as far as I

54:00

know , clean needles , so they're also

54:03

not picking up diseases or

54:05

stuff and sharing needles as well , which is obviously

54:08

a problem in the community too , but it's such a big

54:10

problem and I've all

54:13

read a lot of stuff about how cannabis can help some

54:15

of those people as well , but

54:17

I don't think even in Canada we're at

54:19

this point where they're able to give

54:21

them weed , unfortunately , not , and

54:25

I think we're a long , long way away from it here

54:27

as well in Ireland , and

54:29

I've always heard the old things like oh , you

54:31

shouldn't be giving a person a drug to

54:33

give up another drug .

54:35

There's kind of yeah , but it's like in principle

54:37

, of harm reduction , yes , harm

54:39

reduction . It's actually beneficial

54:42

to give a person a drug to get off a

54:44

drug . Isn't that what we do at Metanone ?

54:47

Well , yeah , exactly , and you might also

54:49

hand them a hot coffee . And caffeine

54:51

, technically , is also one of the most widely

54:53

used drugs in the world . I've

54:55

heard people also suggest that drugs

54:58

themselves aren't bad . It's

55:01

the dosage and how you use them . Often

55:03

is what the dose is the poison right

55:05

, like heroin itself when

55:07

it's in an opiate and it's helping somebody . I

55:09

mean , obviously we have other options that might be preferred

55:12

, but it does help some people for a short

55:14

period of time .

55:15

Heroin . If it's called diacetylmorphine

55:18

, it's probably in a hospital and being used by

55:20

doctors as a fucking painkiller because

55:22

it is right . But again , like you

55:24

say , it's the set and setting

55:27

and yeah and the motivation a

55:29

lot of the time .

55:31

Yeah , definitely the motivation . Yes

55:33

, you see , with heroin

55:35

as well .

55:36

That's a completely different story when

55:38

you go to cannabis use , like with heroin

55:40

, it should be , it's there

55:42

is a root cause to why somebody

55:45

wants to numb themselves and whether

55:47

it those people should be helped

55:49

and helped . And if it is a

55:51

way of helping them by through these

55:53

sites , that's

55:55

the way of getting them to help them , because it's only

55:58

by delving deeper with

56:01

the issues it's

56:04

not really deeper . Yeah

56:06

no , but that's it . It's only that's the only way that

56:08

you can help them to get off of

56:10

it , you know . But with cannabis it's

56:12

a different story . Like cannabis is a

56:14

is a medicinal . You can't

56:16

kill yourself for cannabis . You can't over

56:18

it . Also cannabis . You're not

56:20

going to kill somebody on cannabis . I'm

56:23

sorry if the people will say otherwise

56:25

, I don't mean refer to them .

56:29

I'd imagine , though , if your cannabis was

56:31

concentrated into like a THC

56:34

isolate like I'd imagine

56:36

you've probably come across this the TG

56:38

and maybe even merged like that . Probably

56:41

consuming too much THC isolate

56:43

is probably not a very pleasant experience

56:45

. I've heard people say that

56:48

they brought on headaches and stuff like

56:50

that , that it just wasn't what they thought

56:52

it was going to be , Whereas you

56:54

need to kind of the full compliment

56:56

there that's available , as you were only saying a little

56:58

go TG actually as well . You know flowers

57:00

and hash . You know that's

57:03

kind of really where the magic is . As soon as you start concentrating

57:05

down , you're kind of taking away some of

57:07

maybe what the plant really asked

57:09

to offer . But when you talk about

57:11

heroin and it's funny enough , I was only actually on

57:14

a local radio station here in Cork the other day

57:16

making this argument that

57:18

you can't really talk about herdom without actually

57:20

talking about opium , much like

57:22

you couldn't really talk about it It'll

57:25

be wrong to talk about THC when

57:27

talking about cannabis , like because it's only

57:29

a small part of what the plant actually

57:31

is , and likewise , like

57:34

talking about ethanol when you're

57:36

talking about beer . You're

57:38

doing the conversation there

57:40

and we're so quick to do this . So

57:43

I was making the argument that really , like

57:45

we should legalize all these drugs , but

57:47

in the plant form , and

57:50

then like things like heroin and even

57:52

cocaine , that if a person would insist

57:54

in and still getting access to that

57:56

when the plant form is there available for

57:58

them , that maybe they might . There might

58:01

be a doctor to just make an appointment with a doctor , just

58:03

to go down and tick a few boxes . Make sure you

58:05

know this information right . We're going to weigh

58:07

this . This is your dose according

58:09

to your weight , which is important . A lot of people

58:11

don't know actually how to determine your dose

58:13

according to your weight . I think that's

58:15

an important thing to do if you're going to allow a person

58:18

access to something like pure

58:20

cocaine , like our pure heroin

58:22

or whatever the

58:24

kind of that concentrated form

58:26

of that plant might be . But

58:31

that would be the argument that I would make legalize

58:33

all the plant forms of it and

58:36

if people still would like to get the concentrated

58:38

form of it , then like , so

58:40

it's a controlled , regulated way

58:43

anyway . Like I would like for there to be

58:45

checks and balances , as I'd say , education

58:47

and dosage incredibly important when

58:49

you're dealing with things like that .

58:52

So when you say , like , legalize the

58:54

plant form , so it would be

58:56

legal to grow poppies in my backyard and

58:58

make poppy tea or something like that , yeah

59:01

, yeah , pretty much , and

59:03

the same with cocoa leaves

59:05

or any kind of

59:07

plant based drug .

59:08

Really , for that reason , like , what do you think about

59:10

it ? Like we already have some incredibly

59:12

toxic plants growing in our gardens

59:14

and nobody's

59:16

using these things to kill somebody

59:18

or to poison themselves , and things like at

59:20

least not very commonly Like

59:23

. I've done a video there about two years ago

59:25

about digitalist property . It's

59:28

a fox glove , it's the name of it , but it's

59:30

actually got an incredibly powerful

59:32

cardiac toxin inside in there . But

59:34

if you were to just get a couple of these flowers and

59:36

brew them into a tea , you could essentially

59:39

have a potentially deadly

59:42

concoction in that cup with

59:44

just a couple of flowers . These

59:47

things are commonly grown all right

59:49

across the countryside . Wilds and

59:51

people grow them as a decorative plant

59:53

in their garden because , in fairness , they actually do

59:55

have a beautiful color , a beautiful flower

59:58

of verni and colors . Then you can get a

1:00:00

lovely purple one , a white one and

1:00:03

some other colors there as well . But the things

1:00:05

are deadly again . But there's no restriction

1:00:07

on how it's grown . But

1:00:10

meanwhile the fun ones are like the

1:00:12

magic mushrooms , the cannabis , the coca

1:00:14

leaves . It's

1:00:16

like goddammit , why are the fun ones illegal ? Like

1:00:19

don't make this digitalist property illegal

1:00:21

. Like it's purely decorative anyway

1:00:23

. It's incredibly dangerous .

1:00:25

You've got to . Is there any place in the world that's done

1:00:28

this ? Obviously everyone talks about Portugal

1:00:30

, because they decriminalized all drugs and

1:00:32

you'd still get some kind of social or like a ticket

1:00:35

, I guess , if you were caught using

1:00:38

drugs in public .

1:00:39

But we

1:00:41

see that today . I think decriminalizing

1:00:43

the user is the best ending

1:00:46

, because that way

1:00:48

then , as I said , with certain

1:00:51

drugs it might help to get them

1:00:53

, it might be better a help-led

1:00:55

approach like I'm trying to help them . Then

1:00:57

with the likes of software drugs like cannabis

1:01:00

and things like that , all

1:01:02

it is is just they might just take it off you . That

1:01:06

would be the one thing that could happen . If

1:01:09

it was decriminalized for the end of 2%

1:01:11

in degree , you probably couldn't be

1:01:13

walking around with a fucking pound in your pocket going

1:01:15

, oh yeah , that's right , that's for a person you speak as , a

1:01:17

probably not going to believe that .

1:01:19

Right . Well , that's fair . I mean you

1:01:21

probably should be carrying around a

1:01:24

pound of weed anywhere , because you're just asking to get mugged

1:01:26

.

1:01:27

Exactly , but the likes of homegrown

1:01:30

drugs should be allowed , because that would take

1:01:32

an awful lot , I would

1:01:34

say , out of the black

1:01:37

market if it wasn't decriminalized

1:01:40

or if it wasn't legalized . And if it was just decriminalized

1:01:42

Because a lot of people who wanted

1:01:45

to do would just start growing it , it'd

1:01:47

be a lot easier for them to do and it's a lot

1:01:49

cheaper to be able to get a hell of

1:01:51

a lot more fucking weed for

1:01:54

a hell of a lot less book .

1:01:56

It's going to be better weed too , especially

1:01:58

once you get a little practice at it and

1:02:01

everything . It's going to be better weed and you

1:02:03

mentioned earlier Martin , like I guess it was

1:02:05

sort of referring to TG and his

1:02:07

flower and hash , but

1:02:09

I would also like to add edibles to that list , just

1:02:12

because that's kind of how I like to do it .

1:02:14

It glows in hash .

1:02:16

Yes , they are , but it's a great

1:02:18

way for people to experiment with cannabis as well

1:02:20

. Just to wrap

1:02:22

up , though , because we're at about an hour and

1:02:25

I just wanted to ask a little

1:02:27

bit about where you see , like , obviously

1:02:29

cannabis is pretty illegal

1:02:31

in Ireland still , but

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do you see anything changing in the next five

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years ? Or where you see things happening in five or 10 years

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, because we are also at a point in

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history where Germany is about to

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legalize from the sounds of it , possibly

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in April of this year , and

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I don't know if that would that change anything for

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you folks in Ireland .

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Yeah , I would say Germany is going

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to have a big impact right across Europe

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anyway , but for

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here in Ireland , I think there's a couple of things

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happening at the moment . Even

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when in the courts there's some around CBD , there's

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a couple of legal battles going on around CBD

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flour . Those

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battles once I do

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believe like one of them anyway , in particular

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involving Mark from Relief

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CBD Might make a great

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guess as well . This

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guy is a chef . I would recommend him for a chat , which

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is sometime I might put you in touch , but

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he can tell you about this one I'm going to tell

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you about now as well in more detail . He's

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in court and if he's to be

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successful in his challenge against

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the government because they basically seized nearly

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100 grand probably worth of products

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in the form of flour , oil and

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various kind of edible products too but

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if he was successful in his challenge , they're

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going to have to rewrite the Misuse of Drugs Act

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to at least accommodate

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for CBD floors , which is

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pretty much what his business is covered

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around , Because currently , as

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it stands in Ireland , the farmers who even

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grow hemp , aren't allowed actually

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even use the flour from the

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plants that they grow . So

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that's a massive problem over here because

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obviously they have to destroy the most valuable

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part of the plant . It's like

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, well , each of our election , there's not a whole lot

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of value there . Then , outside of that , like the roots

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and the stems and

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that's it . That's all they can use , and the

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seeds Sorry , the seeds . So

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hopefully he's successful in his legal

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challenge . Then I have my own legal

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challenge . I'm going to be back in court myself

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on the 5th of March and

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I'm going to be making a challenge that the

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Misuse of Drugs Act violates our

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constitutional rights . I'm

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going to be in court for six

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charges of cultivation of cannabis

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relating to I think there was

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32 cannabis plants . I think they said

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in total that I would have planted out in the

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access of disobedience across

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2021 . So if

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I'm successful in that , then they'll

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have to rewrite the Misuse of Drugs

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Act as well to allow

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for personal use and personal possession

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, because

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my challenge is going to be that the Misuse

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of Drugs Act violates a number of

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our human rights that

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are enshrined under the constitution

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here in Ireland .

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Wow . So if you were successful , they changed

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the act and this would be all across Ireland where

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it would be almost decriminalized for personal

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use .

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Personal use and cultivation Because

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the challenge against me is actually for cultivation

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, and that's

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where I'll be making the challenge then , obviously

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as I mentioned earlier not

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being successful at getting access to cannabis

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legally through the avenue that's available

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here in Ireland . So I'm going

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to be making the argument of a

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necessity

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, that it's a necessity

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for me to actually grow this cannabis in order

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to maintain my life force

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, to stay alive . If

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I don't do so , I'm sentencing

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myself potentially to an early

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death by epileptic seizure .

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Right .

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Why the hell would I do that ?

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Yeah , no one's going to opt for that , especially a father

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, and you have a spouse and all

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the rest of that and a life to live , and

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so you were sprinkling seeds around

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the city and they grew .

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No , no , I planted plants .

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I did , did they're like 12

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, 16 inches tall .

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Like these were all male

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rejects from one of my farmer

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growers .

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All right , so they weren't viable in that sense

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.

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Yeah , exactly , they were all male , but

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there was still of the genus cannabis , which

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is illegal and requires a

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legal without a license in Ireland .

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Right , and you were planting them in places , like you

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said police station .

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Right across from the police station . Yeah

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.

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I fucking love that . That's pretty bad . And it's hard

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to ignore that kind of thing . So , and when's

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your court date ?

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The 5th of March .

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So , three weeks , two weeks .

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Yeah , that's coming up pretty quick . So I hope you're

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successful and your friend that you're mentioning from Relief

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, because it sounds like if you have enough people pushing

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forward , that's obviously going to change the

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agenda . So does

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that give you a little more ? I guess that

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question we better ask after you've been to court

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and you're successful , because hopefully . But

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I mean , do you see legalization

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in five years or is it still , even if

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Germany legalizes and you and your friend are

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successful , is it still a long way off

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?

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Yeah , I have to say it's

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sooner than five years . Anyway

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. I have a lot right now , I

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suppose , on it , given like the court

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date that's so soon . Should

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I be unfortunate enough to be before a judge

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who might try to sentence

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me , I'd have to appeal that . Then

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that appeal might take another year to kind

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of come up again before the court

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. So I kind of have that period of time

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there before potentially another

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judge could sentence me . So I would hope that something

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changes by then . I always say I could be

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a bit of a martyr for the cause and I have to go to prison

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again for my protests

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.

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Right . Well , I

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hope you're successful . Obviously , because it's

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people like you that make change . That's

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how it happens . Right , it's a very grassroots level

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, not no pun intended , but that's

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obviously how things happen . It's just

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regular people like you who

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go out and disrupt

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the way things are because you want to see change

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, you want to be the change that you see in the world , and

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I commend you for that . So

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I feel like this is a good place to wrap up , and

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this episode will be coming out after

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your court date , so I can always find

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out what happened and update the listeners

1:08:50

when I do the intro and everything and update

1:08:53

in the show notes as well , and I'll be sure to put in

1:08:55

the show notes where people can find you , but maybe

1:08:57

just let everyone know verbally

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where people can find you online .

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Yeah , certainly , martin's World is

1:09:03

the hats Well

1:09:06

, for people who are seeing some clips of

1:09:08

this . But Martin's

1:09:10

World , you'll find me then on YouTube

1:09:12

, x Rumble

1:09:14

, facebook , instagram and

1:09:17

Twitch .

1:09:18

Perfect , I'll get all the handles from you as well

1:09:20

, if they all happen to be a little different

1:09:22

, because sometimes they're a little different depending on the platform . And

1:09:25

what about UTG ? Where can people find you ?

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There we are . I've been , come

1:09:31

on , a little shame of self-promotion .

1:09:33

Never heard anybody .

1:09:35

I'm still on the Twitter and

1:09:38

Instagram . I

1:09:40

have a YouTube , but I haven't really posted very much as

1:09:42

of late . I'm hoping to do some more . I

1:09:44

just never find time and I

1:09:47

don't know . You know . But those

1:09:49

two places . If you really want to talk to me

1:09:51

, you can find me ?

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Yeah , well , I mean , don't sell yourself short . Tg

1:09:54

is an epic grower and knows a

1:09:56

shit ton of stuff about soil growing

1:09:59

as well the science of soil , and

1:10:01

if you really want to grind

1:10:03

his gears , just call it dirt , yeah

1:10:06

, don't do that , because

1:10:08

he loves that . That'll get his attention

1:10:11

. And GV , what about you ? Where can people

1:10:13

find you online ?

1:10:14

And you can find me on Instagram I

1:10:18

think it's Greenbeard on their score

1:10:20

of grows I like so similar

1:10:22

on X and oh

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, that's excellent . Am

1:10:29

I here ? Am I back ?

1:10:31

Yeah , you're here . It's not an

1:10:33

existential crisis , you were .

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Yeah , but Instagram is where you're most likely to find

1:10:39

me .

1:10:40

That's where you're most active . Perfect , all right

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. Well , I just want to say thanks everyone for joining

1:10:45

me today . Gb's already ducking out for

1:10:47

his Guinness , but I

1:10:50

really appreciate your time and I wish you all

1:10:52

the best of luck in your next court

1:10:54

date , martin . And like I said , I'm just updating and

1:10:56

watching and much appreciated .

1:10:59

Yeah , and maybe in about nine months time you might

1:11:01

want to have us back on again , because the Cannabis

1:11:03

Decriminalization Bill will be back

1:11:05

before the government again in nine months time

1:11:07

.

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Yes .

1:11:08

It's my space time to check in on the Irish

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crew . Yeah .

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I would love to do that most definitely , friends

1:11:15

. I hope you enjoyed that conversation . I'll link

1:11:17

to everything that we talked about over in the

1:11:19

show notes , including where you can find Martin

1:11:21

online and also Temple

1:11:23

Grower and Greenbeard Grows . And , of course , if

1:11:25

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1:11:30

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1:11:32

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1:11:44

your host , marge , and until next time , my

1:11:46

friends , stay high .