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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [MUSIC] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:19,120 Good day, everyone. 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,120 Welcome to Black Girl from Eugene. 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,440 I am your host, Aisha Elliott. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,680 And I am super happy that you have come 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,680 and to enjoy my musings and my conversation. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,520 And some of the thoughts and perspectives I like to share. 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,040 But thank you for showing up. 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,040 And let's get into it before we do, though, of course. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,000 I always want to say thank you to my Patreon followers 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,240 who support this podcast monetarily by a donation of $5 to $10 a month. 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,720 You truly do keep this podcast up in a float. 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,200 We are absolutely looking for more support. 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,920 So please share how your feelings and how you, 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:03,200 how the podcast has impacted you in any way and share the link. 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,920 Black Girl from Eugene_1, that's at patreon.com. 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,040 It's also in the show links and the show notes. 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,800 So you can just click one to that, donation of $5, $10 really does make a difference. 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,520 And thank you for everyone who has continually been supporting me in this way over the years. 20 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,640 We are on our fourth year, our fifth year of this podcast. 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,720 So this is a big deal. 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,200 So a really, really big deal you guys have been with me for a long, long time. 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,040 So I appreciate you and I appreciate all of your insight. 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,600 If you do enjoy the podcast, please review it and give it a five star 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,000 that helps promote the podcast and get us up and out the weeds 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,640 so that more and more people across the nation can join in the conversation. 27 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,920 Okay, so what I want to talk to you guys about very briefly, actually, 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:02:00,080 is about the misunderstanding of how to bring in black folks as, 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,920 I don't want to say as consultants, but like because it's not really about 30 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,120 hiring black folks because yes, do always. 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,560 However, it's about tokenizing black people who are already in the space that you have 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:18,480 and insisting or at least implying that they have knowledge about racism, inclusion, 33 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,280 equity because they are black. And I understand that confusion comes from the idea 34 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,480 that the lived experience of the black person in the black community, 35 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,640 in the black individual and the black family should absolutely be in consideration 36 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:34,880 to any kind of policy changes and kind of practices, any kind of thing that you are doing 37 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,360 the way that you live your life, the way that you encounter people. 38 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,000 Yes, that is absolutely true. 39 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,480 A lived experience needs to be respected as academic academia. 40 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Like it needs to be respected in the sense that these people and those people 41 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,320 and every person with their lived experience understand the circumstances 42 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,000 better than any textbook could. 43 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,120 That's that premise. 44 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,120 We have to quite understand that, right? 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,320 But that doesn't mean that the technological pieces, 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,600 true inclusion or something that because you are black, then you know. 47 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,600 What you know, what people know, and this is for white folks who are listening, 48 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:17,840 what people know who are of the global majority are what the impact of the negligence 49 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,560 of white supremacy culture has done to us. 50 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Now how to fix that is not for everybody, right? 51 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,840 With people who have a lived experience that are impacted by it, 52 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,840 and absolutely tell you what the hell is going on on a real level, 53 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,840 on a deep and very knowledgeable and succinct way of the impact. 54 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,840 But when you're going to say, oh yeah, the heat is on really super hot 55 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,360 and you're going, well, you don't know how to fix it. 56 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,880 Well, why the hell would I know how to fix it? 57 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,600 The heat going too high is not my problem, right? 58 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:53,600 So the idea that racism inequities and anti-blackness 59 00:03:53,600 --> 00:04:00,400 have the heat turned way the fuck up does not mean that every black person who is enduring it, 60 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,640 and surviving it understands how to make a stop, right? 61 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,640 They can have the whole idea of the basics and of the history, 62 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,200 and thank goodness most people do have history. 63 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:16,000 But you know, for someone to be black and have the consideration of like, 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,920 well, you know, he's black, he must know, or oh, he's black, she must know, 65 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,600 is really not fair. It puts on a lot of weight on people who don't need to have that weight on them. 66 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,880 There are professionals who are out here in the game doing this work in several different ways. 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,760 I mean, like, it's just a ray of how you want diversity, equity, inclusion, 68 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,920 belonging, justice, all of those things that you really want into your policies and practices 69 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,240 and into your daily life are actually able to be deconstructed 70 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:50,560 and put into a strategic plan by professionals who are also black and brown, right? 71 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,400 So the idea that you can't have like that's either, you know, 72 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,680 black and brown people have a lived experience, and just speak, 73 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:03,840 and because they have their degrees, or because they have their years of experience, 74 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:10,880 and because they have the way that we have come to the table with our innovative ideas, 75 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,000 doesn't mean that every single black person has that capacity or has that knowledge or even wants 76 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,760 to have that capacity or that knowledge, right? Every professional who comes into the midst of 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:29,840 anything and tries to give knowledge, education, academia, and things to consider is coming from a 78 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:37,120 really deep place of a lot of love for humanity. And some people are just trying to live their life, 79 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,040 right? It's not the same. It's not the same, just because your tall doesn't mean you're good at 80 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,160 basketball. And even if you play basketball, it doesn't mean you can coach. So you see what I'm saying? 81 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:52,640 So it's really, really, really, very, very deeply important that we stop that nuanced racism 82 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:59,760 that just assumes and puts the weight on to like, like, the value of how black you are, 83 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,480 whether or not you understand the struggle in the deep ways of deconstructing the struggle. 84 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,680 And the truth of it is, and when you really get down to it, black folks don't need to deconstruct 85 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:17,520 racism. It's not our problem. It's happening to us. It's a systemic and cultural practice that has 86 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:24,560 burdened black people ever since we were brought here without permission in all of our dissentence 87 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:31,360 sense, learning how to cope with the idea that we are under constant oppression. That is what 88 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:39,280 we're responsible for, how we have stayed afloat, right? How we have stayed afloat in the face of racism. 89 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:44,400 Now, if you want to ask about someone's experience, then that is what you ask. But if you ask that same 90 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,200 person, hey, come over here and do this job for us to deconstruct the situation. And they're saying, 91 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,520 you know, be better people. And you're going, well, the people aren't the problem. And they'll say, 92 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,680 okay, well, deconstruct the system and they go, well, how are we going to do that? You're asking the wrong 93 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:03,200 person the wrong questions. You see them saying like the lived experience and the impact is definitely 94 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,400 in the community, even the solutions are in the community. But how you develop those solutions are 95 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,920 not necessarily coming from the person on the street that you asked the question to. There are 96 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:19,600 actual professionals who need to be black, who need to be brown, who can see the project from the 97 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,480 strategic point of it all the way through to the impact because they did represent the impact, 98 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,360 or they do represent the impact, but they also have the additional knowledge on how to unpack it, 99 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,240 right? And that's not for everybody. That's not everybody. Everybody brown, everybody black doesn't 100 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,520 know how to do that. So putting that pressure on anybody, tokenizing someone that like that is 101 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:45,040 something that you really, really, really, really, really, really, really have to stop doing. And that's also, 102 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,000 you know, when I think about, you know, black folks who are putting those positions, it's really 103 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:57,280 important that the shame or the guilt or the idea that you feel like you should know something, 104 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,080 please dismiss that. Please dismiss that. There are professionals in your community that you can point 105 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,840 to and if you don't know, you can tell those people who are putting that pressure on to you. 106 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:11,680 Excuse me, that is not my line of expertise. If you want to know about my experience, I can tell you 107 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,000 that. But if you want to understand, if you want to hire somebody to help you deconstruct what the 108 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,960 hell is happening in this here place, then you call those folks. That's what you can do. And how some 109 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,080 have like straight up do not feel any shame about the weight that they're putting on you as if, 110 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,560 you know, that's supposed to be everybody, every black person supposed to know how to handle this, 111 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,920 right? So let's just, let's just not hold that weight for them, right? Don't hold that for them. 112 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Put that back on them and say, look, why would you think I know how to do that? I'm living here, 113 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,080 like you're living here. That doesn't mean I'm less black. I mean, I want you to put that in your 114 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,920 mind. Doesn't mean I'm less whatever. It doesn't even mean that you're paying attention less. It means 115 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:57,760 that the expertise it takes to reconsider, reconstruct policy is for someone who knows how to do that. 116 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,600 Okay? And if you want someone who knows how to do that, and you're talking about the communities 117 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,320 of the global majority, that it needs to be someone who represents the global majority. And please 118 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,880 understand the most educated population in the United States is black women. So the fact that black 119 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:20,000 women are not running most of these things is apparent to the ideas that the workplace is not conducive 120 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,440 to them being able to come in with expertise and be heard, right? So you got those two things going 121 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,600 on. And then you've got the black community doing who has always done our very best to be present, 122 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:39,840 to be respectful and to be, you know, ahead of the game, a whole head of the game. So the idea that 123 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,440 white folks are insisting on putting us in places that they believe to be true without any context, 124 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:51,680 without any history, without any ways of understanding how that is blatantly racist and in the 125 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:59,520 approach to it, all the nuanced racism in between. I got everything else to say to people and 126 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,880 especially to black folks who are surrounded with high proximity to whiteness, who take on these roles 127 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:12,480 and knowing that you are not prepared, right? That doesn't help the cause. And honestly, it has a much 128 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:20,080 more internalized issue with the idea that you are that you are in the space where where you don't 129 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:28,080 know how to say no. And you don't know how to say, this is not my role. And, matter of fact, 130 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:34,400 you almost may find some some internalized validation for your shame that isn't even yours to hold 131 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,920 by the by these white folks who are absolutely ignorant about the most appropriate ways to engage 132 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,600 in anti-racism work and belonging work. And you may feel like you like, hey, well, you know, 133 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:52,960 I can do this work because for one, I'm the only one here. And two, if I don't do this work, 134 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,720 how awkward is that going to be that I claim my identity in this high proximity to whiteness 135 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,200 and still be able to say, I'm not doing that, right? That's not my thing. I don't know anything about 136 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:09,520 that. All of a sudden, you're then pandering to their idea of what blackness is and we're all lost 137 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:17,280 in that conversation. That's not the conversation that that we can we can just casually have with 138 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:24,720 people who are passively interested in equity. So I know I told you I would keep a short and sweet 139 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:31,680 and I hope that is short and sweet enough. I do want to talk a little bit more about the idea of 140 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:37,680 how to find a professional and how to do these things. And I am always I'm always a huge fan of 141 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:47,360 word of mouth. I'm always a huge fan of being able to have access to a national reach of information. 142 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,800 It's always really good to have local folks and at the same time, sometimes it's a good 143 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,400 perspective to see what's over the fence. Honestly, like, you know, the idea that we're supposed to have 144 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:04,880 this global idea of humanity and what are the terms of humanity for you? It's not actually 145 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,440 negotiable. It's not actually even something that you can go back and forth on and be like, oh, 146 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,520 yeah, that's humanity. That's not. I mean, the truth of it is is we have universal needs. We have 147 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:20,640 universal perspectives. We have universal concepts that come with us as as the beings that we are. 148 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:27,600 And that's the center of humanity, right? It's to love and we love to be comforted and to comfort, 149 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:36,080 right? To learn and to teach and the balance in between those things. It's become complicated because 150 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:43,360 our lifestyle, our expectations, come from a space of fear. Why it's a supremacy culture has nothing 151 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:50,000 in it, but fear. So how we have been surviving in this time, you know, it comes with a whole lot of 152 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,240 like competition. Competition is fear of what? You can answer that question for yourself, you know, 153 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:02,720 we don't celebrate second and third like you should. We don't celebrate the the what it takes, 154 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:08,480 you know, the process. We celebrate the win. And I'm saying we meaning the North America and United 155 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,360 States, okay? Because I, you know, was listening to some, I don't even know what I was listening to. It was 156 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:22,480 something. And they were talking about like just talking widely about these concepts of identity. 157 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,680 And someone chimed in and was like, why do you think it's either it's this identity between just black 158 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:34,080 and white as a whole world? And it in, of course, like duh, right? And so I think what happens that we 159 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:40,800 end up here in the United States talking about our issues and our society's hangups as if it's 160 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,920 the global hangup. And some of these things are not global, right? Some of these things are very 161 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:52,720 uniquely Western, very uniquely the United States. And a lot of those things that are very uniquely 162 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:59,760 the United States and very uniquely Western are extremely problematic, violent and full of fear, 163 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:07,760 right? And so we conduct ourselves under that guys. And that never ends up in peace, harmony or comfort. 164 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:13,280 So I think we have to start understanding that whatever we how we walk down the street and, and don't 165 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:19,600 say hello or how we walk down the street and we put our head down. And if we were at a restaurant and 166 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:27,120 we're not giving smiles and you're at work and sometimes you don't want to 167 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,400 you know, fuck with the folks at work, but sometimes you could just be, hey, how you doing? How 168 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:36,080 you doing? Bringing a sense of togetherness just by a simple hello to strangers or people you see 169 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:44,240 every day. These kind of energies really do change how we relate to each other, not judging, you know, 170 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,200 situations by what we believe that we see instead of understanding that we can ask questions and get 171 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,240 a better context to what we're looking at, not just a knee-jerk reaction to what we thought we saw. 172 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,760 You know, we should know by the time by the end of this, you know, 2024, I mean, goddamn, I don't 173 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:06,000 know what more we need from 2020 to 2024 to understand that we are all at the mercy of people who 174 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:13,040 don't give a shit about any of us. So why can't we become more closer, knit together and understand 175 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:20,480 that we are in it together and in it, we have very little control of over. What we do have control 176 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:26,320 over is how we embrace the division, right? We don't need to be divided in that way. We don't need 177 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:32,320 to be scared of each other in that way. We need to understand what the what the underlying humanitarian 178 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:38,640 issue is and we will understand that a lot of it has nothing to do with the individual person. I am 179 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:46,560 always, always championing the idea to put the institution in the systemic design to the test, 180 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:52,640 put pressure on them, put on the neck, I'm not kidding because we are all being puppeted in such a way 181 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:58,800 that we now can't even understand how to feel for someone when tragedy has hit, right? We don't 182 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:05,120 even know how to feel anymore. And that's where the true tragedy is when it comes to the below 183 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:12,000 the humanity, when humans can't be human because of because their their cortex, their brain, their front 184 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,680 of cortex has been overwhelmed by fear. And if it's not fear, it's guilt and if it's not guilt, it's 185 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:25,040 shame, right? What? How did that become? What's in the suit? And we all want to say it's not true, 186 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,840 it's not true, I have all this love, but the only way that love shows up is through justice and 187 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:35,840 through and through our person, the person one on one group interactions, how communities can be 188 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:42,160 seen, how communities can be valued and how communities can be trusted with direction and with 189 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,600 with power dynamics, right? We talked about trust and power doesn't really go together, 190 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,040 but if you're talking about giving a community their power back, that's different, but how do you 191 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,160 do that without trust, right? So there's a lot of things that go down just to the very basic meanings 192 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,640 of what it means to be human and what it means that we are here together doing this thing. I think 193 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,600 it's super important that we get back to that. I always wonder like if you're a day-to-day 194 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:14,000 connections with people ring true of the hatred that we see on social media and that we see on 195 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:21,040 the news all the time, like does your day-to-day interactions ring true to that same level of hatred? And 196 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:26,800 the thing is is that I live in a place where I can physically see how people have absolutely not 197 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:32,480 people, but how the city has absolutely separated people. So that level of difference is not actually 198 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:40,720 doesn't actually cross pass. So you really can't see as well when everybody is separate in their own 199 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,720 spaces. Now, I'm not saying your own space is not necessary and not comfortable and that's a great 200 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:52,080 way to decompress. Yes, but could you imagine if you live in a society where you didn't have to decompress 201 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,720 from just being outside? You know what I'm saying? You didn't have to decompress from your racist 202 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:03,200 interaction from the person at the grocery store? Now, I know that people live like that every day. I see 203 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:10,640 it. And I also have been in communities that where racism isn't like that. It's not that racism isn't 204 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,000 there, but it's not violent. And I don't fear my life. It's usually based in ignorance. Not to say 205 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,760 that the other is not, but when you go past ignorance and to violence, now we're dealing with something 206 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:26,000 else. So I'm going back to the idea that, you know, black folks all around the world have a bad rap 207 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:33,120 that isn't true to the to the meaning of how we actually exist. So it's important that even us, 208 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:40,240 you know, black folks and white folks and everyone in between, that we start to understand that race 209 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:46,480 in a very simple way is constructed. And we know that, right? It's a social construct. So the things 210 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:52,000 that connect us are absolutely what we already know. To go back to what I was talking about in the 211 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:01,760 beginning of this podcast is very simple. Everybody is a human being. And all of us, through our experiences, 212 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:07,200 have different capacities and different strengths. They are not the same because you are black. They 213 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:13,680 are not the same because you're white. It just doesn't work that way. All of our experiences deserve 214 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:20,320 to be respected and to be understood in the context in which they exist. However, there are people 215 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:25,680 in every group. And I'm speaking specifically to black and brown folks that are professionals who can 216 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:35,520 help deconstruct this very complex, but now very complex interwoven idea of existing in a in a in a very 217 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:42,480 where the racism is claustrophobic, right? Where the racism claustrophobic. How do we get rid of that? 218 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,520 That's not we can tell you the people who live on who live their daily lives can tell you what they 219 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:53,200 don't like. They can tell you what has been hard for them. They can tell you what what they what they 220 00:19:53,200 --> 00:20:00,400 feel like, you know, could change, but to actually make those changes happen, you'll need a you'll need 221 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:06,240 someone who has that experience, right? And that's the most appropriate way is to find someone in 222 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:11,760 that community who has that experience. And there's always one. Let's not be lazy about it. Get into 223 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:18,240 your budgets, get into your to the money. Don't ask people to spend their time for for, you know, 224 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,960 $100 to go into their to their self to the pain of their existence so you can learn something from it. 225 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:32,160 It's extremely, it's extremely insulting. So work it out. If you really want to have those conversations, 226 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:38,640 make it make it respectful. Have the budget for it. Have the money for it. Have the space for it. Have the 227 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,440 the when I say space for it, make sure that you have cultivated the space for this person who comes in 228 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:49,360 and gives these talks and gives these advice and gives the direction or perspective feels like 229 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:56,800 what they came in to do is assist not to be watched. All right, that's my two cents. I was talking fast. 230 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,960 I hope you could catch up and again, all the love to you, all the love to my brothers and my sisters 231 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:10,400 all around the world. And you know, here we are at 2024, the Wood Dragon. Let's go. All right, y'all, peace out. 232 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:26,800 [MUSIC]