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before. We never had to do that. No.

0:33

What's

0:33

what's what's a big line from this room. You have

0:35

to make a podcast. Pick up, pick

0:38

up, pick up podcast. I got, uh,

0:40

you know,

0:41

you're trying to play 40 chess with

0:43

a podcast. You have to podcast

0:46

aside. What's the, what's the

0:48

Sherwood gum line. He has his own version

0:50

of the manifest. He's he's living manifestation

0:53

of destiny. What was it? It's like

0:55

he's a shape. I'll look it up.

0:58

I asked Bill good to tell me. Yeah.

1:00

Uh, he's a mind reader capable of shape

1:02

shifting the incarnation of chaos when he's

1:05

like briefing his men. I, by the way,

1:07

would be like, can we get a new boss? You seem

1:09

to have already lost your mind. This

1:12

guy's right free in your head. We haven't even started

1:15

chasing it.

1:16

I like how the movies

1:19

now increasingly have become like,

1:21

he just breaks people's brains.

1:23

Uh, his existence. I

1:26

don't even want to talk about him. I, uh,

1:28

right. Cause it used to be like when people gave the briefing

1:31

on what his deal was, they

1:33

had a sense of control.

1:35

Yeah. And she, Wiggum is just like, I'm not

1:37

even fucking his boss. I'm like a middle

1:40

manager now. Sent

1:42

after him. He was the thing I miss is Angela Bassett.

1:44

Now the president in the universe of this movie.

1:47

Yeah. I think that her photo is up in the back,

1:49

which

1:50

doesn't make, cause she was the head of the CIA, correct?

1:53

Yes. We don't usually elect heads of the

1:55

central intelligence agency to be president.

1:58

No, that's the job. It's.

1:59

You can't really run it you'd be like well, I did a

2:02

great job with the CA. What'd you do? Well, I can't

2:04

tell I can't actually

2:06

maybe that's a good like brick wall thing during

2:08

a debate Yeah, my opponent won't even so

2:10

it's classified. It's out of my hands. I kept Ethan a hundred

2:13

control who's Ethan hunt exactly Yeah,

2:18

I said it you didn't know I have I would

2:20

elect Angela Bassett

2:22

Obviously, I would I would love

2:24

to see her in movie eight. Maybe she'll pop.

2:26

I have heard she is in it I don't know.

2:28

I think that's public. No, I don't know

2:30

that way. She was very much a kovat thing

2:33

Right. I get it as well like put the picture

2:35

up and you're just sort of like don't worry We haven't forgot

2:38

about Angie. Yes, she'll show up Which I

2:40

think this franchise is pretty good at doing

2:42

it like not Generally writing

2:44

people off and being like we don't break someone back.

2:46

It doesn't mean they're gone case in point kiddo. Yes

2:49

exactly What I mean the big question is race runner.

2:51

I

2:52

mean, I hope he's dead I Think

2:56

where he's always said was like he didn't

2:58

want to come back for fallout and

3:01

There was sort of the choice of like to kill him

3:03

off Right in some interesting

3:05

way, right? And he was like I would rather keep him

3:07

alive and if he ever wants to come back Then I'll use him

3:09

to the degree that he wants to be used I don't want

3:11

to just like kill him off cuz he's not available Yeah, baby

3:14

There is the unspoken thing of like but he will

3:16

have to accept being the fifth fiddle like

3:18

or whatever if he wants to come back Which clearly

3:20

he didn't like being I thought he was so

3:23

good in Rogue Nation so well And

3:26

now there's this retroactive kind

3:28

of like yeah, it's sort of annoying to see Renner

3:30

I'm like no no, we're not gonna pretend

3:33

Renner didn't have

3:34

juice. No you Defending

3:36

him on Twitter. I was doing like isn't it weird that

3:38

like everyone offered everything to this guy To

3:42

fucking Oscar nomination guy was straight fire.

3:45

Well, that's a hurt locker one best picture

3:47

Yes, and that movie is 50% in his

3:49

performance. Yes. He should he should have won the

3:51

Oscar that year

3:53

that was the That

3:55

was the fuck of Jeff Bridges here, right? All

3:57

right, and we had to give it to bridges cuz we hadn't

4:00

You know, we'd fucked up prior situations

4:02

supporting actor the year that he was nominated

4:04

for the town that cuz I love

4:06

that Which car we

4:08

taking? 2010 the

4:11

town who wins that year Jeffrey

4:14

Rush is nominated but the winner

4:16

is The

4:19

social network King speech I'll

4:22

tell you in one second black swan Christian

4:24

Bale in the fighter a pseudo lead

4:26

performance very transformative from

4:28

a Actor who was sort of ready

4:30

for his Oscar. Yes, but I would

4:33

take that back I would actually give it to

4:35

any of the other nominated performances before

4:37

bail Really? Really? I

4:39

think Bill's very good. I think he's good in the fight But

4:41

I think it felt like it was that we need to give him an

4:44

all a little bit of that and also just Oh, he lost

4:46

weight again. No, he looks like looks like shit. Yeah I

4:50

would give I mean Jeffrey Rush is probably the one maybe

4:52

I'd be like Wow forget Jeffrey Rush The

4:55

steepest competition good at it I mean it's good

4:57

that but Jeremy Renner John Hawks and

4:59

Winters bone, which is amazing performance Yeah, and

5:02

Ruffalo and the kids are all right, which is like really

5:04

good kind of the engine of that movie like quietly

5:07

Yeah,

5:07

all right Too

5:09

quiet for the Oscars. Oh

5:12

sure. Oh, yeah for you. Oh, no Well,

5:14

then he fucking yelled in spotlight and they didn't give

5:17

an Oscar either. They should

5:18

have they knew Happen

5:22

Anyway, anyway Renner

5:24

is not in this movie but a lot and neither is Bassett

5:27

We're talking about two people who aren't in this film who

5:29

else is not in this movie who is left

5:31

in the MI verse? Not

5:34

dead. Yeah, I still want scoop back

5:36

all a patent to come back. Yeah, what's she

5:38

doing? Not much. She's

5:41

not remarrying Robin thick, which is

5:43

a great choice Another great choice would be rejoining

5:45

the mission possible franchise is Redgrave dead.

5:48

Well, I guess Vanessa Redgrave the actress

5:50

is dead

5:54

No, I think she's dead I think they say

5:57

he's dead in this yeah, cuz yeah Was

6:00

it this movie or was it another movie

6:03

where Max is introduced and she talks about

6:05

her mother? And both of them. Not Max, sorry,

6:07

The

6:08

White Widow. Yes. Kit

6:10

Rich talks about, I think he says your

6:12

late mother or whatever. Yes. No, she's talked about

6:14

both of them. Yeah. Then D.A. Newton, can

6:16

we bring her in? Yeah, bring everyone

6:18

back. I'm literally trying to think of who, like, Jonathan

6:21

Reiss Meyers and Maggie Q

6:22

are

6:23

canonically still alive, correct? Like, they

6:25

could come back. What if Maggie

6:28

Q showed up? I like the idea of the next

6:30

film having a team of everyone he's worked with

6:32

in previous movies. I mean, you know,

6:34

there's a point at which I guess you're turning into Rise

6:37

of Skywalker, I am all the Jedi,

6:39

but I'm trying to, who else? Anil

6:41

Kapoor, could he come back? He doesn't die

6:43

and goes protocol. Yeah, it'd be weird for him to come back. I'm

6:46

still horny. Yes.

6:49

I do think- Leia said you fell out a window.

6:53

Michelle Monahan's still alive. But we've- She

6:57

was bid goodbye. Yes. That

7:00

loop was closed. But we should bring Wes Bentley

7:02

back. Yeah. And Ethan's

7:05

like, how's your wife? And

7:07

he's like, why do you know so much about her? What

7:09

if they bring back Aaron Paul? Bring

7:11

him back? He's in three. He plays the

7:13

brother, he plays Michelle Monahan's brother in three.

7:15

Right, he's in a party. Okay. Or

7:17

have him die at the start of eight. And Ethan's

7:20

so sad and the audience is like, who is he? Yeah.

7:22

Bring Ricky Gervais back

7:25

and they like- Tom Hollander? You weren't in these

7:27

and he was like, what I almost was. Right,

7:29

Hollander's the prime minister

7:32

in five. Okay. Wolf Blitzer? Wolf

7:34

Blitzer. I mean, he's- My favorite IMF member.

7:36

He's coming back. I think he'll be back. He's bringing

7:38

Wolf back. Yeah. I'm

7:41

field agent now. I got promoted.

7:44

I guess that's it. Look, this is Blank Check with

7:46

Griffin and David. I'm Griffin.

7:49

That was so bad. Not even saying end time. I'm

7:55

David. David.

7:56

It's podcast about filmographies, directors

7:58

who have massive success early on. in their careers and are

8:00

given a series of blank checks to make whatever

8:02

crazy passion projects they want. And sometimes

8:05

those checks clear and sometimes they bounce. Baby,

8:07

now we're in a mini series, in the middle of a mini

8:09

series right now, on Park Chanwalk,

8:12

our March Madness winner. We're taking

8:14

a little break. Next

8:16

we talk about Oppenheimer. True. Christopher

8:19

Nolan film. And this week talk about Mission Impossible,

8:22

Dead Reckoning, part one. A

8:24

film, I

8:25

feel like people are still a little unclear on what the

8:27

punctuation is on this movie. Mission

8:30

colon Impossibile. Which has always

8:32

made the subtitles hard on these facts. Because you're

8:34

like, the colon's in the middle of the proper title.

8:37

Right. Is it a double colon franchise?

8:39

And it's always been Mission colon Impossible

8:42

dash subtitle. Right.

8:44

But then this is adding the part one. Right.

8:47

David, in your Atlantic review, Dead

8:49

Reckoning part one is all one phrase.

8:51

There's no punctuation. There's no punctuation. It's

8:54

Mission colon Impossible M dash Dead Reckoning

8:56

part one. You can't, I mean,

8:58

the only other thing, a comma would

9:01

be grammatically, I suppose, accurate. Dead

9:03

Reckoning part one. What about parentheses? Parentheses

9:06

part one. That would be very

9:08

silly. Someone's knocking

9:11

on the door. I can't tell

9:13

if this is a bit or not. Ben just went to the bathroom and now someone's

9:15

knocking on the door. I'm gonna get the door. Don't

9:17

love it. No. Go look out the peephole.

9:25

Looks like delivery. Hi.

9:28

No bits. Okay.

9:33

See, pro smits. Pro smits?

9:36

Cars two. Makes cars three.

9:39

Look

9:42

like cars one. Blanket.

9:45

Thank you. Oh

9:48

my God. I just had a heart attack.

9:56

That guy was handsome.

10:00

That guy had the juice. Okay, I... I...

10:03

I wanna explain what just happened. Ben

10:07

went to the bathroom. The

10:09

door is closed. There's a knock at the front door

10:11

of the office.

10:14

We sit here, we're like, what's going on? Is this by mistake?

10:18

I tentatively rise to the door. You heard all of this.

10:20

We were recording on this. I rise to the door.

10:23

Go right, just explain it all, please. Ben

10:25

has run to the bathroom during all of this.

10:27

He's not here. This very handsome man wearing a

10:29

bicycle helmet and a reflective vest, like

10:31

a messenger,

10:33

just looks at me very intensely and

10:35

says, no bits. Stone-faced.

10:44

And I just look at him trying to figure out where this

10:46

is going, and then David, you say pro-smiths.

10:50

Like, oh, this is some fucking... I understood,

10:52

I suppose, the game of like, you know, the...

10:55

It's a Mission Impossible style. Right, well,

10:57

the...

10:58

But it opens with a DoorDash guy. It

11:00

does, right. The new one opens with a DoorDash guy. So

11:02

he says, no bits, I say pro-smiths.

11:05

He says, cars

11:07

two, makes cars three look like,

11:10

and I said cars one, and then he said blanket,

11:12

and I said thank you, and he handed me him an envelope.

11:15

And now I'm going to open this. Ben is grinning

11:18

ear to ear like a treasure cat.

11:20

And inside

11:23

here, cannot believe this. It

11:26

says beneath the party. It's

11:29

just one piece of paper. Is

11:31

that me? Wait a second.

11:33

Beneath the party. Is it under

11:36

the desk? Or is it under the chair? Is

11:38

it under the chair, Marie? Marie,

11:41

is there something under the chair? Marie Barty, Barty Barty

11:43

is here, along with producer Ben,

11:45

who is orchestrating some kind of

11:48

so dark, the kind of man. No, yep,

11:51

you're almost there. Just look under the chair.

11:53

Under the legs of the chair?

11:56

Oh,

11:56

wait. Oh boy, okay. Okay, so

11:59

now there's. There's another. There's a

12:01

tape recorder. There's a tape recorder. Oh my God, wait,

12:03

there must be something on there. I don't know anyone in this room

12:05

who likes to do bits with tape recorders.

12:08

No, no, and certainly Norm Macdonald died, so

12:10

that leaves a big void in

12:12

the world of tape recorder comedy. Should

12:14

I press play? I guess. I mean, we should find

12:16

out what it is. Yeah, let's see what this is. Ben, I have no idea this

12:18

was happening. Good morning, Mr. Newman and Mr. Sims.

12:20

director Christopher McQuarrie, Illius McHugh. Okay. some

12:25

have dubbed the Stealth McQuarrie miniseries. Correct. In

12:27

these encounters, you have

12:29

conducted a series of videos about the two

12:37

of them. I agree with this. Yeah.

12:40

Eight days ago, at the AMC Empire 25 in Times

12:42

Square, you both attended a screening of their film,

13:06

Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 3. Is this Patrick Willow? Is

13:08

that? Yeah, okay. The mission,

13:10

should you choose to accept it, is to record

13:13

a two plus hour discussion about

13:15

the film, and thereafter release

13:17

that recording to the public. We

13:19

have already dispatched a team selected from your

13:21

usual group. Marie Barty,

13:23

a codename Barty Party, will handle

13:26

social media and help produce the show. Are you cool with that? Ben

13:29

Housley, also known by various aliases,

13:32

will produce, peep and detect farts.

13:35

As always, should you or any member of

13:37

the BCP force be caught or killed,

13:39

Apple podcasts or wherever you get your

13:41

podcasts will disavow all knowledge

13:44

of your actions. This message will

13:46

self-destruct in five seconds. Oh

13:47

my god. Oh

14:02

my God, but that's

14:05

not all.

14:15

It's

14:27

been me the whole time in a mask that

14:29

looks exactly like my face. Okay.

14:31

So Ben just ripped off a Ben Hoseley mask

14:33

to reveal that he's in fact Ben Hoseley. I will also say recording

14:36

this podcast can be annoying. It can be a bit

14:38

of a stressor, not impossible. I

14:40

would say it's impossible. And it sounds like we're doing a pretty

14:42

regular task for us. One would

14:44

argue I was already.

14:45

The dumbest

14:48

grin. I was already

14:50

making like fairly good progress and setting

14:52

up the basic idea that then this

14:55

series of messages assigned to me

14:57

as if it was going to be a challenge. Well,

15:01

I think it would have been an impossible

15:03

task if you know, if we

15:05

had to record the episode within a 30 minute. That's

15:09

true. I'm glad they gave us the freedom.

15:12

Yeah, two and a half hours seems very doable. It

15:14

feels doable. Yes, as

15:16

that message very clearly outlined,

15:19

McCarrie has been a stealth miniseries.

15:22

Later in the days of the show, sometimes David and I would just

15:24

get hyped up about a new release movie and

15:26

be like, fuck it. We're doing an episode on this.

15:29

Which now there are enough directors we've

15:31

covered in the past. We have new films coming out that

15:33

we rarely slot in a new release film outside

15:35

of the ones we are

15:37

obligated to do because who's

15:39

got the time? So

15:41

many pods to do. So

15:44

many casts. If we like something,

15:46

we're like, well, maybe we'll cover it later in some other form or

15:49

whatever. No phrase sends

15:51

a chill up my spine more than emergency

15:53

episode. Not happening, right? Yeah,

15:56

but we did. We

15:58

love the first Jack Reacher.

16:00

We do. Look, when we did that Way of the Gun

16:02

episode, that was us agreeing in

16:04

a sort of like silent handshake of like, we

16:06

will now... Macquarie is now officially

16:09

on

16:10

our list. Right. If he does a new

16:12

movie, we're agreed. Yeah,

16:14

because it does feel like... I mean,

16:16

look, he's continued to say, last

16:18

mission impossible, not going back ever again,

16:21

and then signing up for another one.

16:24

Uh, and this two-parter

16:26

had been pitched as like the grand finale, and

16:28

now he's sort of walking that back in the press. But

16:30

it does feel like he's always talking about his

16:33

post-mission projects that are

16:35

very intriguing to me.

16:37

But he's never gonna do them. Well, maybe one day. I

16:39

don't know. Well, he's gotta do eight

16:41

now. Yes. Then I bet you

16:43

he fucking suckered into doing nine. I

16:45

know. Eight... He's already started talking about it. Well, this

16:48

is in the end. Can I throw

16:50

out a theory? And I just... This is a Gryffindor

16:52

man on the record. No inside sources

16:55

on this. This is just something I think. Okay.

16:58

They announced that they were

17:01

doing seven and eight back to back. That

17:03

was an announcement, right?

17:05

After Macquarie was like, good luck to the

17:07

next guy, I wouldn't know how to top myself. But

17:09

we knew he was lying. Then, of course, the surprise

17:11

announcement, oh, not only is he back, he's doing two. Right?

17:14

And everyone was like, two? They're shooting two back to

17:16

back?

17:17

And the attitude was sort of like,

17:20

they probably want to get as much stunt stuff while

17:22

the gettin's good, Cruz is on the brink of 60. Right?

17:25

And then, a global pandemic, and changed

17:28

later,

17:29

their plans got so stretched out. And

17:33

over the time they had originally allotted

17:35

to make both movies together,

17:38

they only got the first one done. Right.

17:41

And this whole thing has stretched out much longer than

17:43

anyone expected. Yes.

17:45

But the whole announcement was like, they're coming

17:48

back for two final films to close it up, Macquarie

17:50

and Cruz are gonna just wrap the whole thing

17:52

up. That had always been the line. Now that

17:54

he's promoting part one, he's like, who said, we

17:56

never said, we never said, we never said.

17:59

I, this is my... my Griffin Newman on the record

18:01

prediction. I feel like

18:04

he's gotta die in the next one and

18:06

if they were advertising it as such in

18:08

the way that Avengers Endgame,

18:12

everyone was like, down in Junior's contract's up, they're definitely

18:14

gonna kill off Iron Man. We know his contract's up.

18:16

This thing of the public being too wise

18:19

to the machinations of the planning

18:21

of these movies that it ruins plot points,

18:24

if he's like, no, we're talking ideas for nine,

18:26

that still adds some tension. You think he's throwing you off

18:28

the scent? That's my guess. Why does he have

18:30

to die? I can't see Ethan Hunt dying. No,

18:33

seems impossible. I can see him doing a Dark Knight Rises

18:35

sort of ending where he is killed off.

18:37

It's finally time for Ethan

18:39

to be done. You can see that. And

18:42

he's living on his farmhouse or something. I

18:44

just wouldn't buy it. I wouldn't buy him being

18:46

dead or him retiring. I'm like, now he's just always

18:49

gonna be waiting for the next

18:51

possible mission. But that's why I think he needs to die. I'm just

18:53

like, this guy isn't gonna be freed until

18:55

he's in

18:56

the ground. I'm very anti-death.

18:59

In general or just with Ethan Hunt? No,

19:02

in general. As a plot device,

19:04

as whatever, a

19:10

sort of stakes raising thing. But

19:12

then again, this movie does a death

19:14

that I didn't mind. Interesting. So

19:16

I'm eating my own words. We're talking Mission

19:18

Impossible Dead Reckoning, part one. That's

19:21

for all the misophony acts out there. A film

19:23

that we all saw a week ago at the time of

19:25

this recording. That's right. That comes out

19:28

later this week. No,

19:31

it comes out next week. Oh, you're right. It comes out next

19:33

week. This week, it's all

19:35

about that red door. Yes.

19:37

Creek! Let's

19:40

find it. Patrick Wilson's debut

19:42

as a filmmaker? Five or six? Five,

19:45

five. Oh, I forgot he was directing this. Creek?

19:48

That's where I'm just there making another insidious

19:50

movie. I'm like, guys, come on. Patrick Wilson's

19:52

directing it. I'm

19:54

like, a little intrigued. What's his name? What's

19:56

his name? Girl. No,

20:00

one of those like quietly

20:03

fucking durable franchises Well,

20:05

I just think like Oh insidious those like dropped off

20:07

after a while and you're like for open to 40

20:10

the advantage of insidious is Unlike

20:13

say saw or paranormal. It has no Particular

20:17

cannon that I was gonna say World

20:20

that has demons in it right sometimes,

20:22

you know, they start messing with you

20:25

I've never seen any of these movies I've just

20:28

seen the like still of Patrick Wilson

20:30

and then like a red man with a little red man behind him

20:32

smiling

20:32

Now

20:36

imagine Patrick Wilson behind the camera

20:39

right looking in the viewfinder a little red man

20:46

No, you'd like them there it can't be again, it's

20:48

that James one thing very sincere They're

20:50

good and I love one. I

20:52

love one and one all

20:54

Yeah, anyway mission possible we

20:56

saw it a week ago We have tickets to see

20:58

it again a week one day from now

21:01

in IMAX So we're recording this in the middle of

21:04

we took the train home Murray after the

21:06

film and you were just like

21:08

Am I gonna be able to remember all of this a week from now

21:10

because it is it is a

21:12

plot heavy movie I think more

21:15

than the last couple

21:17

I

21:17

I David you and I have been sharing

21:20

some takes on on over the text but

21:22

quiet quiet trying to burn them exactly

21:25

But there are a lot of interesting things I think this movie

21:27

is Doing we're recording this in the space

21:29

before the public at large gets to see it. Most of the reviews

21:32

come out

21:33

The embargo just lifted right

21:35

before we started recording

21:37

It did feel like no one's like angry

21:39

about this movie, but I am sensing that some people

21:41

are a little disappointed I think it's just because

21:44

who fallout was like ultimate adrenaline

21:46

rush don't name names. It'd be rude Well,

21:48

you know at least a couple people. Yeah,

21:50

well erlic kind of came around to it

21:52

has he yeah He gave it a B plus

21:54

and wrote some glowing things about it. He can go to

21:57

hell Yeah, I give him an a triple plus this

21:59

movie. That's what I give I love

22:01

you, David. I

22:02

already berated you in text. You and

22:04

I have the same stance on this, and

22:06

I unapologetically love this movie. It got me amped

22:09

as fuck. It was exactly what I wanted

22:11

in a summer where I have really been struggling with most

22:13

of the blockbusters.

22:15

But that

22:17

we both felt like this movie is a strategic

22:20

zag.

22:21

Yes, I think so. The movies have been escalating

22:23

on a specific line, and it was like going

22:26

to be impossible for it to keep on outdoing

22:28

itself.

22:29

And it also feels to me like this movie is very pointedly

22:32

starting to go back to point one, which

22:34

is where I

22:35

believe that they are consciously trying to wrap

22:37

this thing up. I think you're right. But did you

22:39

pay that guy to say all that stuff? Yeah, what was

22:41

the point? Does he know mecanine on? Who was that guy?

22:44

I was worried it was a fan of the

22:46

show. I was out of our address. Griff was

22:48

actually nervous. He pointed it

22:51

so straight that I almost

22:53

thought he was a psychopath. Is

22:55

he like a telegram type of

22:57

thing? No, he just hit his marks. You know,

23:00

he's a friend. He is a friend. He

23:03

is an actor. His name is Teo Olson.

23:05

He's a great guy. Great performance. We

23:08

have to speak. I think he did a fantastic

23:09

job. He did really well. Newest

23:11

lines. Yeah. Just

23:14

Griff was talking about the series.

23:16

I'm like, uh-huh. Wait, what happened?

23:20

I didn't realize the noise was coming from

23:22

the front door. I thought it was Ben knocking on the door of

23:24

the bathroom and you were having some sort of bathroom

23:26

emergency. Ben

23:27

had to go to the bathroom during

23:29

that. So we were just left scrambling.

23:35

I couldn't help myself. Okay. I know it

23:37

was funny. It was really good. Ten comedy

23:40

points. Nice. Yeah.

23:42

And shout out to Teo. Teo

23:46

as well as Patrick Willems. Yes. Great performances.

23:48

I wish I got a picture of the guy. Is

23:51

he still here? We were so like, it's

23:53

hard to convey how

23:55

disorienting this was. It

23:58

was good though. It was well executed. It was great. Yeah.

24:02

But the first Mission Impossible,

24:04

when it came out, the original Brian De

24:06

Palma film, which we've covered on Patreon, everyone's

24:10

thing was like, this movie's impossible to follow, right?

24:12

That was the beat on it. You read all the reviews

24:15

at the time and they're like, this movie is incomprehensible.

24:18

That's wild. Wild,

24:20

wild. Cause it feels just like,

24:22

that movie feels simplistic almost

24:24

by the standards of how Lebronthien most franchise

24:27

plotting has become. It's true. It's really

24:29

just like, it was John Voight all

24:31

along. And you're like, okay. Right.

24:33

It has a twisty turny plot. I

24:35

can't, I know. It's got some- That's a thing where it's

24:37

like, there's a lot of jargon, but the jargon doesn't

24:40

really matter. Which I think people

24:42

were just kind of not used to of like, either this is Tom

24:44

Clancy and this is like well researched, even

24:46

if it's pulpy. Or it's

24:48

Star Wars and nothing matters. And they're like, this

24:50

movie is taking place in the real world and everything

24:53

they're saying sounds silly to

24:55

me.

24:56

This movie feels like

24:58

it's very tonally kind of back to that, the

25:00

Palma Zone. I felt

25:02

like some of the references were intentional.

25:04

Yeah. Of course and bringing in Henry Zurney is,

25:06

you know, undermining all of it. And then

25:09

the final action sequence on the train. It's

25:11

like very much an homage, but there's also this early sequence

25:13

where, there's

25:17

the briefing that Kittredge is

25:19

doing with Carrie Elwes on

25:22

the Entity, who we'll talk about a lot and I think has some really interesting

25:25

ideas.

25:26

I think he's got some interesting ideas. You know, there's interest.

25:28

Tristan is entity-filled. I'm kind of into

25:30

the entity. I

25:33

think it's cool. I think it's charismatic and

25:35

he's got some good points. For us good parties. But

25:38

Ben was saying like, it was weird. Like the way

25:40

they were talking, it was like

25:42

everyone was like completing each other's sentences. You

25:45

have this like boardroom of like Rob

25:48

Delaney and

25:50

Mark Gaddis. Dira

25:52

Varma? Yes. And

25:54

they're all finishing each other's. Sandwiches.

25:57

Yes. Charles Pernell. Charles Pernell.

25:59

Himself yes,

26:01

it was do you think Charles Parnell

26:03

and also wasn't Greg Tarzan Davis? Your

26:07

member It was like he

26:09

makes Top Gun and is like I want to bring my

26:12

two friends on this movie It

26:14

was like I think Tarzan

26:17

Davis has talked about on set

26:19

Cruz was like would you want to do this? We're thinking

26:21

maybe we could like write something for you

26:23

very nice of him We like you your mission

26:26

should you choose to yes? Yeah Yeah

26:30

But but like that scene is sort of like very

26:32

stilted on purpose as

26:35

you're saying it's like very theatrical It's

26:37

people like monologuing about like the intensity

26:39

of the situation yes

26:41

in this way that I do think is like a

26:44

vibe adjustment I

26:47

but there's something else about that scene. That's

26:49

very important.

26:50

Which is

26:51

it's like them all being like

26:53

Can we once and for all get down on

26:55

paper? What is the IMF? Yes? What

26:58

is this position the US intelligence community?

27:00

What do they call it on for like? What is their specific remit

27:03

right what why do they exist yes

27:05

to what extent does the president know they exist

27:07

now in? The way it's described

27:09

in this movie. I think does kind

27:12

of go against

27:14

How it's been presented in other movies like

27:16

in three they have an office This

27:19

does not suggest they have an office

27:21

Right that makes sense yes You know in for

27:23

Tom Wilkinson is that classic thing from

27:25

the TV show the secretary for the IMF

27:27

right which they haven't had secretary And a couple of exactly

27:29

then Baldwin gets that role right yes You know but like

27:31

right that seems to have gone away now one just doesn't

27:34

last one There's no secretary in this one right,

27:36

but now it's just sort of become like no They're like a

27:38

traveling troop of entertainers Yes,

27:41

and if you you know put

27:43

a note in an apple and throw it into you know

27:45

the fucking ocean Then Ethan hunt will

27:47

get word I do think it's funny that this

27:50

movie starts to make the

27:51

IMF seem a little bit more like the triple-x

27:53

program where it's Like we get the most dangerous people

27:55

in the war right? They're

27:58

adding they added some backstory

28:01

for Ethan Hunt, which feels maybe

28:03

like it was a very much a new

28:06

thing that is not present

28:08

all the way in the movies.

28:09

I want to rewatch the Diploma, which I've seen many

28:12

times. I've rewatched it twice in the past

28:14

like three weeks. Fucking owned. Yeah.

28:17

But like that movie references his parents. And

28:19

that movie very much is like,

28:21

he's an agent. He's like a good government

28:23

boy. Like he's, you know, he's

28:26

shiny 90s Tom Cruise. It's him

28:28

like he's one of the other guys in the

28:30

interview room in Men in Black. That it's like,

28:33

you're the best of the best of the best here. He was a top.

28:35

What I thought was interesting

28:37

is, you know, we all talk about Ethan Hunt as

28:39

a living manifestation of destiny and agent

28:41

of chaos. He is a singular figure.

28:44

The way he's introduced in one, it's

28:46

just lots of two shots

28:49

of him and Emilio or like all

28:51

of the crew around a table. You

28:53

does not identify Tom. Well,

28:55

they're trying

28:56

to also kind of

28:58

shock you with, oh, everyone's going to die. But still, it

29:01

looks like he's like a member of a team. He's

29:03

just one peg in a... Yes, he's not

29:05

the guy. But that's always been,

29:07

I think the thing that Macquarie did that was really

29:09

smart as like the

29:12

first three movies in

29:14

particular, first two, it's like, who is this

29:16

guy? He's a cypher, right? Three

29:18

comes

29:19

in the moment where Cruise is starting to like go

29:22

off the tracks and

29:23

they're like, we're going to super ground him. We're

29:25

going to show you that he like has a home

29:27

life

29:28

and a wife and he's trying to balance it. He

29:31

has the most normal sex. It's boring.

29:33

Right. And then the movies since then have basically framed

29:36

that as like he tried and he could not do it.

29:39

Right.

29:39

He is just this. And in the movies since then,

29:41

he has just become an insane man. Right. Who

29:44

just gathers people like he's, you know, a Rolling

29:46

Stone or whatever. It's a saving

29:48

the world and his only like

29:51

his vice, his

29:53

greatest weakness is the idea of

29:55

a single person dying. I think

29:57

he cannot handle it. He cannot abide it. Right.

29:59

But like in Ghost Protocol, right? It's like there's

30:02

another team, the Josh Holloway Paula Patton

30:04

team, right? There's still the concept,

30:06

oh, Benji got promoted by like a boss.

30:09

Right.

30:10

And then like, and the more we go on,

30:12

the more it's like, no, the IMF are like this

30:14

clown show that the CIA... Yeah,

30:16

can I ask another question? I don't know if

30:18

there is an answer to it within the lore.

30:21

Okay. The IMF

30:23

is not strictly American, correct? Says

30:26

who? I think it is. I think it is. Yeah.

30:29

It is strictly American. Yeah. What's

30:32

her... It's proud to be American. We're

30:34

recording this on the 5th of July. Right.

30:39

But then... July 4th plus 1. Yeah, because they talk

30:41

about Ilse as being former British intelligence. But

30:45

she's not in the IMF. She's never been a part of the IMF officially.

30:47

Okay. Benji

30:50

is always working for the IMF.

30:53

Yes. He is English. But he's English. Yes.

30:55

And here's what happened there. They cast Simon Pegg in

30:57

the role. Yeah. And worked backwards

30:59

from there. Okay. Yes. I just know.

31:01

I mean, it is ostensibly an American. But then...

31:04

Okay. So the first movie... What's

31:07

Emmanuel Bayard is French. Sure. Yes.

31:11

Yeah. No, the first movie. They're very international.

31:14

Chris is not Thomas. Right. As we all know,

31:16

you know, Emilio Estevez is Venezuelan.

31:19

I don't know if he's American. But

31:22

no, you're... These are all fine questions.

31:25

There's never been answers to any of these questions. No, to any

31:27

of these. Now, I'm not a viewer of the TV

31:29

show. Uh-huh. Neither am I. I don't know if

31:31

the TV show, which is obviously separate,

31:33

you know, has more on this. But

31:36

they're here to handle, you know, America's Impossible

31:38

Missions. Yes. And they do that with a palm.

31:40

Yes. But this movie is very much

31:43

like, yeah,

31:44

we... They're sort of like almost like contractors

31:47

for the weirdest stuff. Right.

31:49

And he's the weirdest of all of them. The

31:52

point I was building up to here is that like,

31:54

it was a franchise for a while that was unique

31:57

in the fact that it like wasn't really about

31:59

its lead character. It was about the

32:01

movie star and it was a vehicle for the styles

32:03

of directors and you were like Can you define

32:05

who Ethan hunt is at all? And you're like he's a guy

32:08

that Tom Cruise plays

32:09

and then I think it starts and goes protocol

32:11

when Corey comes in as a writer and

32:13

then really gets raised to the next level

32:15

when he starts directing the films of like

32:18

Oh, no The key is that like Ethan hunt

32:20

is Tom Cruise

32:22

that you like take everything that is simultaneously

32:24

Captivating and like a little bit unnerving

32:27

about this guy and his like

32:29

single-minded devotion and the movies have now become

32:31

basically

32:32

about Tom Cruise's like

32:34

Absurd pathological commitment to the

32:36

idea of like keeping an idea of movies alive

32:39

Yes, and an idea movie stardom and all

32:41

this, you know as of course was top

32:44

come Africa as it seems Yes,

32:49

and I think I think Macquarie had sort

32:51

of like tapped into is like oh

32:53

The first the TV show

32:55

was always a team

32:56

the first movie the team dies at the beginning and that's sort

32:58

of the fake out Right, and then he's like I

33:00

don't have a team. I work alone. It's just

33:03

being brains in two and three He's got

33:05

a team that doesn't stick in for

33:07

they assign him a team and he's like, by the way Just know you are

33:09

not my team

33:10

like he keeps on saying Team

33:12

guilt at that point. Yeah,

33:14

it's like this guy has never gotten over letting that

33:17

team die Right in the first movie not letting

33:19

them die but not being able to save them And so

33:21

he's just like well I can't I cannot get involved

33:23

with a team ever again And

33:25

then the last couple movies this team has built around

33:27

him and now you've added this sort of like

33:30

original like sin of his life,

33:32

which is he like in his

33:35

days of being like Aladdin

33:37

yeah, he was a lad him. He was like

33:40

a pickpocket Yeah,

33:44

I don't know what he was but he was sure he

33:46

was in violation of the law

33:48

Have a note in my notes saying

33:50

Ethan Hawke scumbum question mark

33:53

not Ethan Ethan hunt scumbum

33:56

Question mark greasy long

33:58

hair that I don't buy

33:59

Yeah, you had some pushback on the hair

34:02

stuff. The hair didn't feel right to me. Well,

34:04

what year do we think that would be?

34:06

If the first movie is 96? I don't

34:09

know, 91.

34:11

91, so by the time he's only in the IMF for five

34:14

years, by the time we get to. How old

34:16

is he in Mission Impossible? I guess he's like 34.

34:18

He's in his grunge era. How long do you

34:20

want the man to be? Yeah, he would

34:22

be 30 years old in 1992. So

34:24

let's even say the late 80s. Born

34:26

on the 4th of July, he had long hair in that. No,

34:29

Tom Cruise was famously born on the 5th of July.

34:32

I'm not joking. The second most patriotic day. Wait,

34:34

today? Isn't that right? Are

34:36

we recording this on Tom Cruise's birthday? I take it back

34:39

the 3rd of July. Fuck, I knew it was one day

34:41

off. I just really remember which direction. America's third most

34:44

patriotic day. Happy birthday, Tom. Yeah. Oh

34:46

right, he made like a whole thing about like how happy he was

34:49

to celebrate his birthday with Mission Impossible

34:51

fans around the world. Nothing he

34:53

loves more. Nothing he loves more. This

34:55

whole movie though is about like, he's

34:57

like, I have finally accepted

34:59

that I care about my team and they are

35:01

my team. And now it drives me insane.

35:05

That like all I care about is trying to keep

35:07

them alive. Right,

35:10

the sense of selflessness that is

35:12

almost like pathological within

35:14

him. But, Chris

35:17

McCord does these great Empire Magazine

35:20

hours long podcast interviews whenever a new Mission

35:22

Impossible movie comes out, breaking out the whole thing, right?

35:24

And he talked a lot about when Fallout came out where you have

35:27

the extended sequence where it feels like

35:29

they don't stop the explosion

35:31

from going. Right, and you're like, oh God,

35:34

the world is being nuked. Right. Like

35:37

they blew it. The cold open of this movie is they fucked up. Like

35:39

how can you start a movie this way? And McCord is like, I want to

35:41

play with the audience thinking are

35:44

they fucking, like are they the filmmakers

35:46

fucking up?

35:47

Right. Are they ruining this movie? Right.

35:50

Are they breaking this franchise? And then you have the reverse, oh Wolf

35:52

Blitzer, it was staged, they got the passcodes. They

35:54

stopped the thing from happening. They faked the news footage.

35:57

All that stuff is great.

35:58

This movie starts with this. Submarine

36:00

sequence with no characters you recognize

36:03

Speaking in Russian, right? Yes,

36:06

it feels very hunt for red October not

36:08

just because of its setting but even just its style I

36:10

think this whole movie feels very McTunan

36:13

in its style Little

36:15

bit. Well, I mean the man made a great submarine

36:17

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36:23

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36:52

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You have this voiceover explaining this like

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sort of this thing they have on

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board that looks like a bomb But

39:14

seems to have to a computer

39:14

you can unlock it is with

39:17

two keys Look cool

39:19

together Yeah, it's kind of

39:21

also kind of a throwback to the knock list Yeah,

39:24

and the first movie where there are two. Yeah,

39:26

I like it I do love a yeah

39:29

a fun fancy key though, but this is like

39:31

very This is like very

39:33

straightforward very earnest very

39:35

dramatic Right and they're like looking

39:37

at their radar screen and there seems to be a missile

39:40

coming out You know is coming towards us, right? And

39:42

then it like doesn't hit and they're like what's going

39:44

on and I'm sitting there waiting for the moment

39:47

where like It turns out what they thought was

39:49

a missile with ease was Ethan hunt He rips

39:51

the door off with his bare hands right or the submarine

39:53

captain rips his mask off and it was him and he

39:55

was Faking

39:55

or whatever and instead no

39:58

a missile hits them the thing blows up They

40:00

sink to the bottom of the ocean and you're like well

40:02

This is a deliberate choice to

40:05

start out the movie with none of the characters

40:07

We know something actually going wrong,

40:09

and it's that's like a pallor over the film well

40:12

immediately Yeah in a way that I thought was like

40:14

well This is interesting cuz he darker went out

40:16

of his way to Subvert

40:18

the expectation that maybe he was doing that in the last

40:20

movie and now he's like no I am doing

40:22

this and they also have a weird computer on

40:24

board that goes like Yes,

40:28

every time it does something bad yeah, it looks cool.

40:31

Does it do you think it looks cool? Yeah, looks like a screensaver

40:33

does look like a big thingy. Yeah

40:37

They hit themselves with their own missile yeah,

40:40

or Pito right yeah the Computer

40:43

it was an act of self-preservation

40:46

right this thing the entity was not Even

40:49

hinted at in any of the trailers I feel like

40:51

I did not know going in there's only one

40:53

hint which is the logo of the film itself It

40:56

is the entity right circular sort

40:58

of interface, but that is it I did not know this

41:00

was an AI Film no

41:03

that started coming out after the premiere people

41:05

were like so the villains like AI and I was like well What do you

41:07

mean by that and they were like it's like an AI

41:10

And I was like I thought it was like Eastside Morales, and they were like

41:12

sure, but it's really an AI He's kind of

41:15

the AI's henchmen. Yeah. He's the AI is

41:17

like avatar yeah, you know

41:21

And so that was surprising But

41:23

the trailers were obviously all just like you

41:25

have to make a choice Yeah, this is the

41:27

craziest thing that's ever happened because

41:30

I and all that shit You know is the fucking madmen

41:32

promo right, but we go from that to another door

41:35

another The door Ethan hunt

41:37

living in some weird a barren abandoned

41:40

space yeah

41:41

Ordering door-dash yes, and Amsterdam.

41:44

It's right, but it's not door-dash. It's like Eat

41:46

run or whatever you know like food

41:49

now right, but in fact it is this

41:51

guy delivering his message Yeah, he's an agent

41:54

in training or whatever he's like giving

41:56

him the tips of how to write

41:58

Get started And

42:00

then we like we have our mission which

42:02

is Elsa

42:04

Elsa Faust our friend Rebecca Ferguson

42:09

Has now acquired one half

42:11

as the key. You don't know why you have to get it back

42:13

from her there Her dead

42:16

right you can get it back from her alive or dead what

42:18

you do with hers up to you. Yeah

42:20

And then when you cut to this big

42:22

Barnstorming desert thing where

42:25

Ethan's getting her and she's being

42:27

chased by all the bad guys She's got a little

42:29

eye patch at one point. That's so cute

42:33

No hat I mean come on it's

42:35

Rose It's rose the hat.

42:37

Oh, but that's only when she's in character

42:39

is rose the hat I guess I like she

42:41

puts a hammer and cannon as rose

42:44

anywhere. I see her So what do you want

42:46

like a like a dr. Seuss hat? That's why you want

42:48

like a cat in the hat? Yeah, and I want her to suck

42:50

some damn steam. Yeah There

42:54

was a moment where they're like

42:56

looking for

42:58

Ethan I guess I don't know everyone's

43:00

everyone's out to get her right and the camera

43:03

like pans over And you see

43:05

that Ethan is hiding behind like

43:07

a sandbank with his horse who is lying

43:10

flat And he's stroking like the

43:12

side of the horse and then when the other men clear

43:14

friend animals

43:15

in like one fluid

43:18

motion

43:19

The horse just gets up with him on

43:21

top of it right and you gasps

43:23

David. Yeah I mean, I just very

43:25

impressed by the

43:26

physics of horses all the time. Yeah.

43:29

Yeah cool. Yes Friends

43:32

animals. Yeah. Yeah, you know He's

43:35

sort of like a thoroughbred himself even hun. He

43:38

understands. Yeah, but you see

43:40

him What I mean, I

43:42

guess you see him get to her then it cuts

43:44

out of there No, it's seen they do a

43:46

fake out. It looks like she's dead or something.

43:49

You're like, oh my god Then he cut

43:51

back to the whole

43:53

Henry's Ernie, right journey How

43:56

do you say I journey? Zurney

43:58

Zurney Zurney Zurney Cerny

44:00

yeah really good in ready or not is that

44:02

what it was called? Yeah, I think fucking Unbelievable

44:06

in this movie. He is great in this.

44:08

He's great. Just the incredible just sort of like

44:10

staring at someone

44:12

Growling yeah

44:17

He's uh, he's a great

44:20

What do you want to call him sort of?

44:22

You know stick in the mud Frank pot, right?

44:25

So much anger in this in a way that's

44:27

interesting, right?

44:31

This movie is very skeptical

44:33

of the US sort of intelligence apparatus

44:36

Which I would say the last few movies have all kind

44:38

of nodded at this is a little more

44:40

concrete about it I think this movie

44:43

is very skeptical of everything. I

44:45

think I do I think their chip I

44:48

think that's one of the only things

44:50

it holds dear as An

44:52

absolute truth in this world. Yes No,

44:55

there's a there's a lot of people saying look We were trying to make this movie

44:57

like more of like a 70s political thriller,

45:00

right? Right, but I feel like often it's kind of a performative

45:02

thing and it ends up being like oh

45:05

like one organization is bad But you can believe

45:07

in all other organizations or whatever it is, right?

45:09

Right, and this is a movie that is kind

45:12

of like

45:13

reality feels like it's sort of falling apart at

45:15

the seams

45:16

this is like a destabilizing time to be alive

45:18

and

45:19

Everyone is just kind of confused

45:21

and worried and skeptical and I do think

45:24

we're seeing a lot of things try to write about AI

45:26

Right now

45:27

and I think the thing this movie gets right

45:30

that makes it like one of the more interesting dramatic

45:33

Explorations of AI for me is just the feeling

45:35

of unease of like

45:37

it's not even that we should definitely be afraid of this

45:39

thing It's that we don't we know we don't understand

45:41

it unpredictable and we don't understand the speed

45:43

it's which it's going and

45:45

the moment where we Figure out what it is. It's gonna

45:47

be too late in one way or another like

45:49

it will settle on itself before we realize

45:53

What it's settled on

45:54

and I do think that just adds to this air of everything

45:57

of like we've created this thing This thing

45:59

has been created

45:59

It's existing out there. We have lost

46:02

control of it. We just don't know what anything is

46:04

anymore. And they view Ethan with

46:06

that sort of skepticism as well, where they're like, we've

46:08

trained this guy in this program. And

46:11

now every single fucking movie, he goes

46:13

rogue.

46:13

He goes rogue and he does some crazy thing that

46:16

we don't understand. He pulls it off, but no

46:18

one really wants to be held

46:20

accountable for what he's doing.

46:22

But I also just think it's sort of that

46:25

the US government has decided it wants this

46:27

AI not

46:30

because they know what they can do with it, but just because

46:32

everyone else wants it too. So we better get it first.

46:35

Because it'll make us best. Right,

46:37

and everyone, it's sort of like,

46:40

it's like an Indiana

46:42

Jones artifact, right?

46:44

Right, so thingy.

46:45

It's a thingy, but it's also the thing where they're just like, this

46:48

thing is so fucking powerful. You don't

46:50

understand. Everyone thinks, well,

46:52

everyone has the Ben attitude of like, well, if I

46:55

got it, I would know how to work it. And I would

46:57

figure everything out. Yeah, and everything

46:59

would be

47:00

the best.

47:01

Whereas I think most Mission Impossible movies, they're

47:03

like, this guy has a bomb

47:06

and he will set off the bomb unless you give him a lot of money.

47:08

And he's a psychopath. Let me think about this. There's

47:11

no reason why he's doing it, really. And the first one

47:13

is the NOC list, which is basically like a list of all

47:15

the CA agents, right? That's the McGuffin. That's

47:17

really what they're after the whole time, right? The

47:19

second one, it's a virus. Right.

47:22

You know, deadly virus. Chimera.

47:25

The chimera, bad. The third

47:27

one, it's total bullshit. It's the rabbit's

47:29

foot. We never even know what it is. The

47:31

joke is that it doesn't matter. Classic, right?

47:34

The fourth one, back to more straightforward.

47:37

This guy wants to set up nuclear bombs because

47:38

he thinks that'd be good. Yes. Right.

47:41

Like you're saying. He's like, it would be good for that to happen

47:44

to the world. Fifth one, well,

47:46

I guess now we're in the, you know, fucking

47:49

Sean Harris character. Yes. What's

47:51

his name? Solomon Lane. Solomon

47:54

Lane, you know, and it's, what do they want? They kind

47:56

of want to disrupt the world order. Right.

47:59

Wasn't the him and John Larkin.

47:59

Is that the one where

48:02

the agents we thought were dead?

48:06

Nation

48:08

if you correct Right,

48:11

so there's like, you know That

48:14

that's what I'm saying. It's sort of creeping in this sort of like

48:16

undercurrent of like whatever it is the

48:19

current world order

48:20

Yeah, we're skeptical. We want to do the opposite

48:22

But it's also it's like radicals who

48:24

come in and either want power

48:27

want to like disrupt the status quo You

48:29

know

48:30

the natural order of things or whatever it is and this

48:32

movie. Yes, the

48:33

call is coming from inside the house Yes,

48:35

and it's also like we thought it say Morales

48:38

was going to be the main villain and instead you're

48:40

like he's no He's like the muscle man

48:42

for this villain that no one understands

48:45

that is this like unknown

48:47

Yeah, the power is the thing itself.

48:50

I was feeling very paranoid

48:52

Immediately from the submarine scene

48:55

which I think is the intent of the movie So

48:57

that when a mysterious person

49:00

enters the CIA briefing

49:02

Yes, and the camera keeps cutting to them

49:04

a very severe looking man with like spiky

49:06

hair. My it looks awesome I

49:09

mean looks in the trailer. I thought it was Shay Wiggum

49:11

with the glasses on it kind of looks like sure Yeah, it

49:13

doesn't matter. I said to David. I was like this

49:15

feels like an X-Files thing I literally

49:18

thought that man was like the

49:20

the entity had figured

49:22

out how to like have a human shell Yes,

49:25

so it ends up being Tom Cruise

49:27

with a face mask Yeah, and Ehrlich

49:29

has not stopped making fun of me ever since we saw

49:32

the movie Oh, Marie didn't realize it was Tom Cruise.

49:34

We didn't realize was Tom Cruise. I'm like, you know

49:36

what he's annoying

49:38

That guy also got like such a key shot

49:40

in the trailer cuz his little glasses and his little

49:42

face mask look cool And he sets off the bomb

49:45

that I was I was with you I was

49:47

like it has the entity already taken human

49:49

form Yeah, which it does not in this movie But

49:51

it's just this feeling of like it is

49:53

everywhere and I think this is the other big thing

49:55

with this movie

49:57

is like

49:58

These These movies

50:00

have not been super

50:03

invested in continuity.

50:04

And Macquarie talks a lot about, I hate

50:07

fan service, I hate Easter eggs,

50:09

I don't think that really lasts. Those

50:11

are kind of cheap pops that don't

50:14

linger. You don't wanna do it for no reason. And

50:16

then this movie is tying back into one

50:19

more,

50:20

bringing up Max more, putting Kittredge in

50:22

it, hitting that tonally, invoking

50:25

the train chase from the end of the first one. There

50:27

is this feeling that you're watching

50:30

a movie that is being written

50:32

by the entity, right? One

50:35

of the things that is interesting about this movie is

50:38

they're all operating, not

50:40

totally knowing if what they're trying to do

50:42

is correct. Because the entity is

50:45

fucking with the fabric of

50:47

reality. So much.

50:50

Sure. What does that mean? How

50:53

does it do that? Is it influencing

50:56

people in the sense of, through

50:58

social media, right? And getting people

51:00

in real time to change their opinion or their

51:02

minds about a person or a

51:04

thing.

51:05

How are they changing reality

51:08

in the physical world? Well, there's like shit

51:10

like, what? The first main mission they have

51:13

is, what, this

51:15

thing where it's like, we need to give a

51:18

fake key to the guy who's bought

51:20

the other half the key so we can scan it and

51:22

figure out,

51:24

this is the thing where the guy's gonna get in a plane and they go to

51:26

the airport and to buy.

51:27

They wanna follow the guy with one half of the

51:29

key to wherever he's going. Because

51:32

they still don't know what the key opens. They think

51:34

they're doing a relatively simple mission. But

51:36

it's a classic mission possible. I have glasses that

51:38

will scan the key and they'll find it in his pocket

51:40

and they'll create a dummy and then we'll place the key

51:42

on him and do this and do that.

51:45

Yeah. A very

51:47

classic kind of clever, like here are the steps

51:49

I'm gonna wear a nice suit. What?

51:53

I can't remember if they're making a dummy or not. Cause like their whole

51:55

thing is like, we can't actually do that. We need

51:57

to follow the key. Right, right. Like

52:00

they're pretending they're gonna do that maybe, but yes, he

52:02

has glasses and there's this very cool

52:04

effect. Look, that whole sequence is great. The

52:07

airport sequence in Dubai or Abu

52:10

Dhabi or wherever it is.

52:11

Great Mission Impossible stuff. You've got

52:13

Tom doing this one thing. People

52:15

are chasing Tom, that's element two. And

52:18

then you've got Luther and

52:20

Benji on the computers and then Benji has

52:23

to go off to do mission three, which is there's

52:25

a bomb in a bag. I gotta diffuse

52:27

the bomb.

52:28

And then of course, then there's Haley Atwell

52:30

showing up. Yes, as a pick pocket. Who's this

52:32

new person? She's an unstable element.

52:35

She's also after the key, but maybe for different reasons. All

52:37

this stuff is happening. And then I think you're trying to like,

52:39

it turns out there's

52:41

no bomb. There's no key. There's

52:43

no buyer. It's all vapor. It's

52:46

all in the cloud or whatever. They're

52:48

doing the shit, right? Like there's this bit where Shera

52:50

Wiggum, Tarzan Davis are trying to find Ethan Hunt

52:52

and cut him off at the pass and they're using like

52:54

the security monitors to track

52:56

where he is and which quarter of the airport and

52:59

they think they found him. And when they go up to the guy, it's a guy with an entirely

53:01

different face.

53:02

And it's like, oh, Benji and Luther have done some

53:04

clever thing where they've hacked the security system

53:07

and they've like fucking deep faked his face

53:09

onto the wrong people and a wrong face

53:11

onto him so they can't find him. And then

53:13

like the entity starts doing shit like that. Like

53:16

it erases Essay Morales in real

53:18

time. I'm sorry, Essay Morales in

53:20

real time from the security footage where they can't

53:22

find him. It is like setting targets that

53:24

are false.

53:25

It's funny that the entity's kind of

53:27

like a troll. Yes. He's

53:29

just like wreaking

53:32

havoc for the lols. It's like identifying this

53:34

bomb. Right, that they go and find

53:37

that Benji finds that's asking him riddles that are

53:39

weirdly personal that he has to solve. It

53:41

makes him say the thing he cares most about are

53:43

his friends. My friends. Right,

53:45

which these movies have served to weaponize friend as

53:47

an idea in the same way that Fast and Furious weaponized his

53:50

family. But it's also, it's just right. If this

53:52

algorithm doesn't care about any of that obviously. It's

53:54

a

53:55

soulless algorithm. Mocking him. Mocking

53:58

him but also identifying that. as

54:00

the weakness. And that's what the

54:04

subsequent action is about, right? He's like,

54:06

I know this is the thing that will throw you off balance,

54:08

right? Going after your friends. Because the bomb opens up and

54:10

there's nothing inside. There's nothing inside. And it's

54:12

like, oh, the trick was, ha ha, I got you to admit

54:14

that you care about people. But also it was

54:16

capturing his voice. Correct. And

54:19

all that. And all of his personal data. Which it then uses later to like,

54:21

right. Tom Cruise is following the model

54:23

of how a Mission Impossible movie works. Benji's in his

54:25

ear and he tells him where to go. Now Maria. And

54:28

suddenly the entity is writing fake dialogue and sending him in the

54:30

wrong directions.

54:31

Maria, I thought I was sitting there. Later. When

54:34

we saw this film. I feel like you

54:36

thought Simon Pegg was maybe gonna bite it

54:38

in this scene, right? There is that sort of element where

54:40

you're kind of like, where so many movies

54:42

in. Someone's gonna die in this film. Is that going to happen?

54:45

Is there gonna be some kind of early tone setting,

54:47

surprising death

54:49

to just sort of keep, you

54:51

know, the things. Exactly. I thought

54:53

as soon as he said that he loved his friends, then

54:55

I was like, oh, well, he's dead. That's when I pulled

54:57

back. That's when I was like, it's too obvious,

55:00

I think. I think Benji will be okay. And also Benji

55:03

is too soft to target. That's my

55:05

main thing. Like that was Josh Wieden's trick. Always was going,

55:08

you know, the softest target, but I think it's too easy

55:10

to kill the cuddliest least

55:12

threatening, right? So like,

55:14

and then very shortly after Tom

55:16

Cruise hugged Rebecca Ferguson on a balcony. I

55:19

don't know how you guys felt and we were spoiling the movie,

55:22

but I was like, she's dead. Fuck. Dead. Immediately.

55:25

Yeah. Just because

55:27

that moment is sort of

55:29

lingered on, but I was also just like,

55:31

he cannot fuck in these movies. I'm

55:34

sorry to be crass. No, we can't. Yeah.

55:37

And their relationship is coming to a point where it's like, what is

55:39

this? If not romantic,

55:42

right? Like they have a connection that's a little bit

55:44

beyond everyone else's connection, right?

55:46

Yeah. And followup kind of ended with that moment

55:49

of it feeling like Michelle Monaghan being like,

55:51

he's yours now. Right.

55:54

And there is just this feeling well, Ethan's not actually

55:56

allowed to like be in love

55:58

again. No one else is the same way. Like they're both

56:00

right actually capable of being in normal

56:03

person. I don't think it's like a I don't

56:05

think it's an emotional thing I think it's like a dr.

56:07

Strange love like they need to protect their precious

56:09

bodily fluids

56:12

But

56:18

like no fap existence But

56:21

like I'm not someone who thinks

56:23

very hard about like

56:25

the casting or promotion or like where

56:27

I'm trying to figure out Like what will the plot points be?

56:30

But the second I saw that I was like,

56:32

oh, I think Fergie might be done for

56:35

adding and then I start to think like Oh, right. They've

56:37

added in Haley at well. I'm starting to think

56:39

about sort of the balance of this all

56:41

together. Yes. Yes

56:43

And then I was turning to think like well also

56:46

maybe is record Ferguson maybe the one actor

56:49

Who in the press stores is kind of like this is a very stressful

56:52

thing to make. It's kind of a lot

56:54

It's funny they always talk about like cuz she's like

56:56

the first person to enter into these movies and kind

56:58

of be Tom Cruise is equal Mm-hmm,

57:01

and then they talk about

57:03

and she talks about like she is so different

57:05

than Tom Cruise and how she Styles,

57:08

right? No, it's like they can both hit the same effect,

57:10

but she's like a very thoughtful internal

57:13

sensitive

57:14

She does not have like endless stamina. She

57:16

does not love doing stunt training pregnant

57:19

making fallout, right? Yes Yeah,

57:21

you know,

57:22

maybe she was kind of like I don't know I'm sure Dislikes

57:26

these but she's like I find acting hard. It's not like

57:28

a thing. I get like a lot of a That's

57:30

I love her. I love her too and the more stressed

57:33

out she talks about being the more I love her

57:35

God bless. She's making dune in

57:37

between these as well. It's like not like those are Silo

57:40

in an Apple series called silo don't

57:44

Don't go in. No leaf. You can't leave

57:46

the can't leave. That's all I know about silos. You can't leave

57:48

the silo Is it like a grain

57:50

silo? No, they like live in

57:52

a silo Like

57:54

what is this and you look and it starts like five

57:57

Pulitzer Prize winners I'm

58:00

looking a shit out of the silo. Jimmy

58:02

Carter's in the main cast of silo. I

58:06

know he won the Nobel Prize. In a ruined and

58:08

toxic future, a community exists

58:10

in a giant underground silo that plunges

58:12

hundreds of stories deep. There, people live

58:15

in a society full of regulations they believe are

58:17

meant to

58:17

protect them. Doesn't have crazy people in the supporting

58:19

cast?

58:21

It's kind of a pretty stacked cast. Tim Robbins, Harriet

58:23

Walter, David Oyelow, Common.

58:27

But, Heliot Well's introduction, he's

58:31

seeing that there is a pickpocket

58:33

who pulled the key from

58:36

the target that he's scanning with his glasses.

58:39

And rather than like viewers arrival, he's

58:41

like, game recognize game. Let

58:43

me go to her, let me draw her in. I

58:46

wrote this down. I was really

58:48

happy to see Ethan Hunt, Jesus

58:51

fucking Christ, Ethan Hunt

58:53

do street magic again. He's back to

58:55

fucking David Blaine shit. He's doing like close

58:58

up sleight of hand. And

59:01

this is- That whole sequence is so good.

59:03

But he's still in this thing where he is like, I'm Ethan

59:05

Hunt, I can make anything work, right? Yeah.

59:07

Definitely. The movie starts to break him down

59:10

as it goes on a little bit. Yeah. I

59:12

was rewatching, you know, all the mission

59:15

impossibles in preparation. Mission's

59:17

impossible. Mission's impossible. And

59:19

I think he does street magic in two.

59:22

Does he? He's got the big bit

59:24

in one. I thought he did it in

59:26

two as well. He definitely does it in one. I just does it

59:28

with the mic, the floppy disk or

59:30

whatever. Oh, you're right. I

59:33

remember the least about two. I've seen

59:35

them multiple times. It's just the one that doesn't stick in my

59:37

head as much. Other than the sand

59:39

gun. Sand gun, sand gun. We respect sand

59:41

gun. Oh, I like all the sexy stuff, like when they're

59:43

in the bathtub. I like that,

59:45

but I want it to be better

59:47

and more of it. But yeah,

59:50

you know, I mean, I like the idea of him being horny,

59:53

but it feels like the movie's sort of like, should we float this?

59:55

And then quickly with Ethan, how they're like, no.

59:58

I think two is like.

59:59

Interesting as the midlife crisis movie

1:00:02

where it's like this guy's whole team died in front of him. How

1:00:04

is he doing great? I'm doing great. What's my

1:00:06

hair out? I got sunglasses. I fuck a bunch of women.

1:00:08

I'm doing great. I'm doing great I'm fucking I've never been happier.

1:00:10

I don't like being free Griffin. That's

1:00:12

such a good reading of it, right? He's like look how

1:00:14

cool him I run in slow motion. I'm fine. I'm doing unbelievable.

1:00:17

I'm so friends living frames Is

1:00:23

the only person who can be on his everyone else

1:00:25

is dead. Yes

1:00:27

It's just that he doesn't retain anyone from two.

1:00:29

There's no right friends

1:00:31

getting carried over from two I'll say this I

1:00:33

thought I thought Ving was gonna be the one

1:00:35

to die in this movie That just seems

1:00:37

to mean that's like killing Hagrid. That's

1:00:40

why I was like, this is the move that would be so staggering This

1:00:45

is the one guy who's been continuity There's

1:00:48

a moment in fallout where he's in danger and

1:00:50

you sort of wonder they do a fake out of some Right,

1:00:53

maybe instead of killing Ethan

1:00:55

and then in the final movie. It's they kill

1:00:57

Luther. That's just yeah No,

1:00:59

I I want I want Luther cuz Luther

1:01:02

could live a normal life Luther could retire,

1:01:04

right? But I think Ving is so

1:01:07

fucking locked in in this movie Yes It's

1:01:09

really where it feels like he has to be in a thing

1:01:12

He started to do increasingly over the sequels

1:01:14

be the like the emotional translator

1:01:17

for Ethan Well, Ethan will come in

1:01:19

and say the super intense shit gets him the best

1:01:21

and he'll leave the room And then

1:01:23

he'll be like you need to understand Benji

1:01:25

is still a little bit like well I don't know, you know,

1:01:27

and then and also obviously it doesn't

1:01:30

she's not really an emotional person Luther's

1:01:32

like I've been with him for so long.

1:01:34

That's Ethan's way of saying X He's

1:01:37

also most crucial in this because this movie

1:01:39

is sort of introducing the idea that IMF agents

1:01:41

are all

1:01:42

People who were once on the run and in their most

1:01:44

desperate moment, right? We're identified by

1:01:47

our government Which by the way recruited how we

1:01:49

were introduced to Luther. He was I'm saying

1:01:51

he makes the most sense It's like where we were like, well, we've

1:01:53

actually seen that play out right

1:01:55

with him Yes

1:01:57

now with Benji it more feels like Benji, you know

1:01:59

took a few tests

1:01:59

Right, you know it got like a hacker

1:02:02

that no immediately while I'm watching this movie.

1:02:04

I start doing that Internal

1:02:07

revision of like makes sense to me he hacked

1:02:09

into something You shouldn't have hacked into but it doesn't feel

1:02:11

like all them are necessarily like insane

1:02:14

like high-risk criminals But that all

1:02:16

of them were just like on the wrong side of the law

1:02:19

and they go like we can either arrest you

1:02:21

Or you can use your skills for us

1:02:24

Right and that's

1:02:26

then I start thinking about like okay, so in the office

1:02:29

You know the janitors is it like someone who was

1:02:31

such a good janitor? Yeah, then he got in over

1:02:33

his head and then

1:02:34

he was like janitoring for the wrong guys

1:02:37

Yeah, the government was like we got a great janitor

1:02:39

position for you I was thinking about that with

1:02:41

Luther's hats like what was their

1:02:43

backstory well were they bad hats?

1:02:46

Well

1:02:47

if you notice the hats the hats are never

1:02:49

straight. They're always at an angle doesn't matter Did

1:02:53

you guys see my pitch on Twitter for

1:02:56

young Luther? Oh look at Twitter anymore Okay,

1:02:58

sorry. I should have put it on blue sky. It's really good

1:03:00

right now It's really

1:03:02

finally entered its final. Yeah,

1:03:05

I think it's kind of Just

1:03:07

like this like mutant goblin Every

1:03:13

account is like a fucking Ripley clone from resurrection

1:03:17

What was your pitch for a young Luther?

1:03:19

I just think that you know if you want to expand the franchise

1:03:22

clearly we have to end with Tom Yeah,

1:03:24

like he physically is not going to be able

1:03:26

to But

1:03:27

if we want to like mine more IP

1:03:29

I want to see an 80s urban techno

1:03:32

thriller starring young Luther look I'm all

1:03:34

for that although. I am sort of I'm

1:03:37

skeptical of young things yeah, because

1:03:39

you got a recast That

1:03:41

works really well every time Imagine

1:03:43

if they D. H. Bingramps, but

1:03:46

he still moved like 2020 swing rain

1:03:48

no offense to 2020 I mean the prime is life.

1:03:50

I'm in the prime my life, but I kind of feel like sitting down

1:03:52

right now It's a lot of scenes where he just chooses

1:03:55

to sit down right Yeah

1:03:57

I'm

1:04:00

all for 80s, a freaker vibes,

1:04:02

you know, a PH freaker, yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

1:04:05

but just the fact that Ving Rhymes does

1:04:08

not move as well anymore, and he basically

1:04:10

just always has to be in a chair behind a computer in

1:04:12

every scene. Well, not just that, but are we talking, like

1:04:14

there's the scene in this movie where the final act is

1:04:16

revving up where Luther's like, Ethan, I

1:04:19

gotta go. I'm gonna look into

1:04:21

some of this stuff. I won't be

1:04:23

in the rest of the film, but there's

1:04:25

a reason for it, goodbye. It might as well just be

1:04:27

Ving being like, you're gonna be running around

1:04:29

and stuff. I just, you

1:04:31

know, I'm pretty sleepy. But like his weariness

1:04:34

they have

1:04:35

owned, and I think have made it this thing

1:04:37

where he's like, cause you have all these scenes. But he's running

1:04:39

around in Fallout and you're like, can someone

1:04:41

just check on Luther? Yes. And

1:04:44

this one, they're very consciously like, Luther's

1:04:46

gonna go for it.

1:04:46

Yeah, I love the part where he's just

1:04:49

like so exasperated by the fact that

1:04:51

like, he says something crazy,

1:04:53

like I have to hack into it

1:04:55

like offline, and I'm like thinking

1:04:57

like, what does that mean? Is he

1:04:59

going to like take a like,

1:05:01

like a circuit breaker? Yeah, he's doing

1:05:03

the paper clips into the side

1:05:06

of a laptop. He actually knows Clippy. Yeah,

1:05:08

so he's gonna actually get to know him. I went to school

1:05:10

with Clippy.

1:05:11

I gotta talk to a friend of mine. Clippy bounces

1:05:14

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So can we talk

1:07:17

about, let's talk about Gabriel.

1:07:19

Yes. Okay, so. So this is what I was gonna

1:07:21

say. So he's doing the close-up sleight of hand with Hallie Atwell

1:07:24

trying to like charm her into like, and you

1:07:26

can help us and we'll pay you twice as much and whatever.

1:07:28

I know you're a good pickpocket, but are you a good put pocket?

1:07:31

He's fucking master of the universe, like

1:07:33

king-shitting her. And then he just sees

1:07:35

out of the corner of his eye this guy's fucking face. Yes.

1:07:38

And is that, have

1:07:40

we already seen the flashback? I think we have,

1:07:42

haven't we? I think yes. They do those

1:07:45

very early. They do it early on. These little DH flashbacks,

1:07:47

very brief, very sepia-tone. Not the

1:07:49

age. It's just sort of like silhouette. Makeup or whatever.

1:07:52

You're not seeing him clearly. Well, you

1:07:53

see young Isamor Alves. That effect looked good. Yeah,

1:07:55

I think that was. But Cruz is notably

1:07:58

not DH, which I think is the incredible decision. to

1:08:00

be like, cast him in shadow. And you see that

1:08:02

he was... We need to discuss

1:08:04

this. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it.

1:08:06

Not about the hair, about the woman. Oh,

1:08:08

sure. Well, who's the woman? Marie. Barty.

1:08:11

Barty. Is the character's name.

1:08:13

The name of the character's Marie. The character's name is Marie.

1:08:16

Ethan lost a woman named Marie. We don't know

1:08:18

anything else about him, right?

1:08:19

But that is what, you know, caused him to enter

1:08:22

the IMF. And at the hands

1:08:24

of Gabriel, who is a bad

1:08:26

person. Yes. That's really all we know.

1:08:29

I

1:08:29

was just really excited to hear. Yeah.

1:08:31

I'm sorry. It's Mariela

1:08:34

Gariga. Plays Marie.

1:08:37

Looks like she's done some

1:08:39

television. But another

1:08:41

of the Ethan Hunt brunettes, right?

1:08:44

Which is another part of like... Yes.

1:08:47

This is in this movie. They're kind of like, you know,

1:08:49

you can only orbit him for a couple years

1:08:51

before, you know. Someone's going to displace

1:08:53

you or whatever. Right. But also

1:08:55

the like... Is

1:08:58

the entity kind of writing this movie? I'm not

1:09:00

saying in a meta way, right? But like, is the

1:09:02

entity orchestrating events

1:09:05

specifically to get to Ethan Hunt? Because the

1:09:07

root of this movie is,

1:09:09

so many people want the entity because they think if they

1:09:11

use it, they can be king shit.

1:09:13

In charge of everything. Right.

1:09:15

They'll know how to handle it. The entity, what

1:09:18

its endgame is, is unclear at this point.

1:09:20

But it's self-aware and the idea that anyone can control

1:09:22

it is kind of ludicrous, except I guess, if you

1:09:24

have this magic key, then maybe you can.

1:09:26

Right. You could at the very

1:09:28

least shut it down, which is its greatest fear,

1:09:31

right? And it basically believes anyone

1:09:33

who comes into my orbit will be so intoxicated

1:09:36

by the idea of the power I control that I

1:09:38

can take over them. Except for one person. There's one

1:09:41

person in the universe I have analyzed. So ludicrous.

1:09:43

Yes. Who is the one person

1:09:45

who

1:09:45

is selflessly committed to this idea of

1:09:47

keeping humanity on a straight and narrow.

1:09:50

But I think it's beyond that. It is, yes. It's identified

1:09:52

Ethan's

1:09:54

good character. It's also identified

1:09:56

like reality warps around this man

1:09:58

in ways that are beyond. algorithmic

1:10:01

understanding. Yeah. Right? He he

1:10:03

will make the impossible possible. Right.

1:10:06

He doesn't he has to memorize the nuclear codes

1:10:08

he just does it. But there's a point where like where

1:10:11

Luther says to him like what's your endgame Ethan

1:10:13

he says something like making sure that no one ever dies

1:10:15

and Luther's like that's impossible.

1:10:18

Right? Right exactly. And later he

1:10:20

tries to make this promise to Haley Atwell where he's

1:10:22

just like I will make sure you never

1:10:24

die and they're like

1:10:25

Ethan you can't promise that and he

1:10:27

adjusts it to something like I

1:10:30

promise you I will always prioritize

1:10:33

your life above my own

1:10:34

and it's this sense of in this like the

1:10:37

weird figure that Tom Cruise has turned

1:10:39

into where it's like this guy

1:10:41

just it's just so committed to this idea

1:10:44

of movies have to stay intact you

1:10:46

need to do things for real in front of a camera

1:10:49

the old-fashioned way I don't care about

1:10:51

anything else right

1:10:53

where the entity is like this guy actually doesn't

1:10:55

do anything for himself

1:10:57

so there's no way to appeal to him on that level so

1:11:00

what I need to do is hit all of his like pressure

1:11:02

points buds right

1:11:04

you put a new brunette in front of him

1:11:06

that that's part of you need to put an old brunette at

1:11:08

risk I've noticed the pattern and I'm now like playing

1:11:11

the story beats of what the story

1:11:13

cycles of this man are yes

1:11:16

yeah

1:11:16

and like you say right Ethan

1:11:19

can't deny people have died yeah

1:11:21

with you and he hates it he doesn't like

1:11:23

it but it has happened but he can yes

1:11:27

promise he'll put you above himself yeah

1:11:29

and there's that moment late in the film

1:11:31

when he asked Grace how she is and her

1:11:35

face you know reacts to it

1:11:37

and it's beautiful we both we both

1:11:39

look at you good good yeah

1:11:42

I love Haley Atwell yeah I'm very pro

1:11:44

we've always been we've always been pro Haley Atwell

1:11:47

podcast and it just feels like she's one of those people

1:11:49

where it's like no one is quite

1:11:51

figuring out how to use her to the best of her ability

1:11:54

on

1:11:55

a regular basis stuck mostly

1:11:57

in you know Marvelville but her

1:12:00

character being in the past getting killed off so

1:12:02

early. She's often these little tiny

1:12:04

pop-ins and stuff. Yeah,

1:12:07

I mean, you know, I

1:12:09

should watch that Howard Zenn mini-series that Kenneth

1:12:11

Lonergan did. Weird that I haven't seen

1:12:14

that. Bet she was good in that. That was probably great

1:12:16

in it, but

1:12:17

fun character in this, and you do start

1:12:19

to realize halfway through the movie, like, oh, that's what we're

1:12:21

seeing. We're seeing how someone becomes an IMF

1:12:24

agent. Yes. Right?

1:12:26

Yes.

1:12:26

And what plays so well is what you're

1:12:28

talking about, where it's like, she goes from this cock-shore,

1:12:31

like, I'm the fun color character. I'm always in it for

1:12:33

myself. Right. Like, yeah, I'm always going to nick what's

1:12:35

in your pocket and run away.

1:12:37

What Helena Shaw is trying to be?

1:12:40

Helena Shaw. In the style of destiny.

1:12:43

Oh, sure. I'm just like, I think those characters

1:12:45

in conception. Well, Helena Shaw, the

1:12:47

Fleabag. Yes. Granddaughter Fleabag. Have

1:12:49

you seen Indiana Jones,

1:12:52

God Daughter Fleabag?

1:12:53

Yeah. She's definitely like, she keeps saying

1:12:55

like, ah, fortune and glory. I'm only in

1:12:58

it for myself. And I'm like, I don't buy it. No, she

1:13:00

doesn't really do it, though. And I'm like, but she says

1:13:02

it. Of course. She keeps saying it in this way where you're

1:13:04

like, okay, okay. It's

1:13:06

like classic show don't tell stuff where like her

1:13:08

actions, you're like, oh, I can't keep this

1:13:10

woman straight. And then the thing that's so great

1:13:12

is once she starts getting like roped into this

1:13:15

world and put on the crazy missions, you

1:13:17

see what you're talking about the moments where

1:13:19

it's just like, oh, this is like an entire

1:13:22

like reality shifter.

1:13:24

I'm existing in a different plane of existence

1:13:26

now. And this is like a terrifying world and

1:13:28

there's no turning back, which is what they say to her like immediately.

1:13:31

But also what are your choices? And they're like,

1:13:33

either we turn you in or you do this for the rest

1:13:35

of your life. Right. And

1:13:38

you have no friends, you have no family. You're like

1:13:40

dirty circus folk for the rest of your life

1:13:42

on these like globetrotting missions. But we

1:13:45

have each other.

1:13:47

Yes. And that's fun. Right. And

1:13:49

also as Luther sort of says, he's like,

1:13:51

what is your current life? Current life is basically

1:13:54

this anyway. You're always on the run. The stuff the

1:13:56

thing is like killing. He's really good at it. And

1:13:58

it is true. You're right.

1:13:59

He's good doing nothing, but they do

1:14:02

give him something. They give him a lot of emotional weight, and he's saying

1:14:04

like, I know, I was you.

1:14:06

We all were you previously. You're

1:14:09

like, we get what you're existing in

1:14:11

reaction to, but this is not sustainable.

1:14:14

Do you think Tom Cruise has friends? I mean,

1:14:16

this is the whole thing. No.

1:14:19

No. He has his group of people

1:14:21

that he trusts that he works with. He has his close friends

1:14:24

around the world. Right, who he collaborates

1:14:26

with, and they have like conversations. I think

1:14:28

his closest friends are literally the people

1:14:31

he works on Mission Impossible with, and

1:14:33

the relationship is exactly the same as

1:14:35

it is with the characters. I think that's true.

1:14:38

There was that story going around about how he didn't

1:14:40

want to leave Simon Pegg.

1:14:43

Like, during,

1:14:45

oh wait, I'm gonna look it up. I think Simon Pegg

1:14:47

is like his fifth best friend in the world, and I think they

1:14:49

know each other as well as these two characters

1:14:51

know each other. Which is like, yeah,

1:14:54

he is my friend. Yes. Right.

1:14:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gives people the cake though,

1:14:58

every year. He does. He gives everyone the cake. He gives everyone

1:15:01

the cake. Yeah. And I would love that cake,

1:15:03

obviously. How do we get on that damn

1:15:05

list?

1:15:05

Well, we can just order it. It's on Goldbelly.

1:15:08

No, but I want it from fucking Tom.

1:15:12

If anyone is close to Tom Cruise, who

1:15:14

listens to this podcast, let us know. Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:17

Put us on the list. This was,

1:15:19

look, a lot of it's just like the recency

1:15:22

of having dug into this so deeply, and

1:15:25

there's obviously the huge kind of homage

1:15:27

at the end. But

1:15:28

watching this, I just kept on thinking like,

1:15:30

Ethan Hunt as a character is so

1:15:33

much the way Buster Keaton was

1:15:35

described as a person. Not the Buster

1:15:37

Keaton screen persona,

1:15:39

but when you read about him as much as we were

1:15:41

and dig into him where everyone's like, I don't

1:15:43

quite understand what drives this guy. Right. Outside

1:15:46

of the fact that he was seemingly just built to do this

1:15:48

thing,

1:15:49

and there are some demons that haunt him,

1:15:51

but he's not like this sort

1:15:53

of like self-obsessed artiste, and he's not a tortured

1:15:56

artist, and he's not whatever. He's just sort of like, why

1:15:58

just have to do this? You have to do this and you have

1:16:00

to just like go bigger and harder. And they're like, that's

1:16:03

dangerous. And he's like, well, we'll figure it out. Well,

1:16:05

Buster did find peace

1:16:07

in his personal life at the end. It took a long

1:16:09

time. It took a long time. Yeah, you had to basically

1:16:11

lose everything. Right. Every whistle was like, he's

1:16:13

kind of unknowable. I don't know if that

1:16:16

is possible for Tom Cruise. Well,

1:16:18

I cannot speculate on Tom Cruise's personal

1:16:20

life. No, I can. I'm

1:16:22

sorry. Go right ahead. No,

1:16:25

he's a strange man. And

1:16:27

the more you delve there, probably the less

1:16:29

fun you're going to have. Yeah.

1:16:32

That's sort of the rule we all have to have with

1:16:34

Tom Cruise these days, right? I don't even mean in

1:16:36

terms of nefarious shit. I more just mean like just

1:16:38

kind of a bummer. Just kind of a bummer. But like we

1:16:40

were talking about this in the Steamboat Bill episode,

1:16:43

that that's the movie where some people have

1:16:45

the read that like he was suicidal. His marriage

1:16:47

was collapsing. His drinking was at its worst.

1:16:49

His independent film run was ending. Is

1:16:52

that movie the one where he has the death wish and the stunts

1:16:54

are so crazy because he was like, I don't fucking care if

1:16:56

I die doing this. And I was pushing

1:16:58

back on that. Like, I think that's a fundamentally wrong

1:17:01

read. I think if he was that

1:17:03

depressed,

1:17:04

he would not care about putting that much work

1:17:06

into the movie. I think it's more that

1:17:08

he's just like, this is the one thing that keeps

1:17:10

me alive. And I'm so committed to the

1:17:13

idea of trying to get it right. That the risk

1:17:15

of dying is a necessary risk, which is

1:17:17

what drives Ethan Hunt. Yes. No.

1:17:20

Right.

1:17:21

He's like, I don't want to die. But also, if that's the only way to do this, then

1:17:23

I'm going to not worry about it. And I certainly will

1:17:26

put myself in the most danger. Even

1:17:29

though Ethan is getting older and

1:17:31

Cruz reads old in this movie, not

1:17:34

like ancient, but there's

1:17:36

lines on his face. He's got kind of his, you

1:17:38

know, he's older. Especially when

1:17:41

Topgum was his last film. It's his biggest

1:17:43

film ever. It's also shot four years ago.

1:17:45

Topgum was in the can for a walk as a COVID.

1:17:48

And then this movie was shot over several years

1:17:50

because of COVID stops and starts. Sure.

1:17:53

And it's just like he's looking a lot older than the last time

1:17:55

we saw him on screen and he ages like

1:17:58

over the course of the movie as well.

1:17:59

Yeah, in a way I'm

1:18:02

interested. I did too. I mean peg looks

1:18:04

pretty haggard in this movie He's

1:18:07

been very upfront about the stuff. He's dealing

1:18:09

with Again, it kind of

1:18:11

works Serious

1:18:14

alcoholism Which

1:18:16

she's think you know dealing with he's talking

1:18:18

about it like you know But what was the

1:18:21

the story you were trying to pull up? I couldn't find

1:18:23

it. It was something of basically like he would

1:18:25

not

1:18:26

Abandon peg it's some press thing I

1:18:29

can't remember what it was though and like if you just google Simon

1:18:31

peg Tom Cruise you get you know It's too hard

1:18:33

to find it. Yeah But

1:18:36

uh, you know, I think that kind of works too

1:18:38

like Benji being like a little

1:18:40

fresh-faced boy in three Yeah, and

1:18:43

kind of feeling like a grizzled old vet at this point

1:18:45

someone tweeted this the other day But you it also looks

1:18:47

immaculate. She hasn't changed at all. Yes Gorgeous

1:18:54

Murray do you know who the original choice was for

1:18:56

the Benji role in Mission Impossible 3 who was explicitly

1:18:59

written for

1:19:00

You already referenced this in

1:19:03

today's episode. Yeah, you referenced

1:19:05

it. Oh Richard What well

1:19:07

he was hot stuff course the office That

1:19:10

was when people were like if we could be the first one to harness

1:19:12

that in a movie and that was like the excitement Could

1:19:14

you imagine?

1:19:16

Imagine him running.

1:19:19

No, well, I mean look in the third movie Is

1:19:22

be like funny by the heat they might

1:19:24

not have reused it probably like peg pops better

1:19:26

in that movie Yes, and pegs career

1:19:29

also is heading in the right direction Because

1:19:31

after I'm I three you get drawn of the dead and all right

1:19:33

stuff that thereby for the

1:19:35

dead before

1:19:36

Right, but I guess you got hot fuzz right hot

1:19:38

fuzz is after that's 2007. Yeah He

1:19:42

can do action The

1:19:46

other part of it too is like Dreyse might

1:19:48

have been very funny in that moment

1:19:50

at that point in that role David squinting

1:19:53

He might have we might have been comedically peck

1:19:55

has always just had a little more soul

1:19:58

to him Ricky D. Race is not a good actor.

1:20:00

Simon Pegg's a pretty good actor. And

1:20:02

Pegg plays well in that

1:20:04

third movie the feeling of like this is

1:20:06

genuinely stressful for this guy in a way

1:20:09

that makes you feel for him rather than just be a butt

1:20:11

of a joke that you could see Cruise being

1:20:13

like we could give this guy more to do and he would hold

1:20:15

it. I think so and I think if you're

1:20:18

Tom Cruise and a year after MI3 you

1:20:20

watch Hot Fuzz. Because

1:20:21

it's one of the dead Peggs good. But in Hot

1:20:24

Fuzz he's diving and shooting guns and

1:20:26

he's playing an action hero. Edgar Wright

1:20:28

was one of the finalists to Direct Coast

1:20:30

Protocol along with Brad Bird. He's clearly a

1:20:32

huge Edgar Wright fan. Like yeah it makes

1:20:34

total sense. I think he's right you're like yeah we've

1:20:37

got to bring Pegg back. But yes I do think

1:20:39

it works for these movies that you're like

1:20:42

Benji's like changed a lot and not in

1:20:44

a way that feels like the franchise is like

1:20:46

making

1:20:49

him into a different character than he was originally but

1:20:51

you're just like you feel the passage of time on

1:20:53

these people. You feel the weight of the

1:20:55

amount of missions. I do feel like

1:20:57

even if Rebecca Ferguson looks unchanged

1:21:00

you do feel her getting like colder

1:21:03

and harder and across the three

1:21:05

movies right. Like in the

1:21:07

first movie she's playing more like mysterious femme

1:21:09

fatale and by this one you're just sort of like

1:21:11

she is like kind of a brutal weapon.

1:21:15

So they okay they have the whole thing

1:21:18

happen then they all unite.

1:21:20

They do have the whole thing happen. The whole

1:21:22

airport. Before we move on from the airport I just want

1:21:24

to single out one shot that I thought was great

1:21:27

where you see Tom running

1:21:29

on the roof of the airport

1:21:31

in the background. Yes. That was a

1:21:33

very funny

1:21:34

shot. Incredibly. That whole sequence is just a delight.

1:21:36

It's great and just great like it's not like an

1:21:39

action sequence per se but it's great like tension

1:21:42

racketing. Who's zooming

1:21:45

who's six different people looking at

1:21:47

all these balls in the air and then we're gonna

1:21:49

have to catch a bunch of them later. But it's like right

1:21:51

everything's going wrong. She ends up on a plane

1:21:53

with the key without him. He

1:21:56

eludes Shae Wiggum but he still they need

1:21:58

to track Haley Atwell who's

1:21:59

There's a whole new figure added into the solution. And

1:22:02

also now they're just like this entity thing,

1:22:04

which they're kind of keeping secret from Ethan.

1:22:07

When the bomb shit's going on, they're not looping him in on

1:22:09

it until the final riddle. And you have that

1:22:11

scene where he's like, why are we not fucking telling me this? He

1:22:13

doesn't say fucking.

1:22:14

If he tried to say fuck his brain

1:22:16

work's plugged. Okay, so

1:22:18

we go from there

1:22:19

to Rome. Yeah,

1:22:22

that's where he also shows up, right? Yes,

1:22:26

because you flash back at some point to

1:22:28

reveal that he put her on the horse and sent him. So is Rome or

1:22:30

is she in Venice? Because when

1:22:32

they go to Rome is where- She is in Venice. Yes,

1:22:35

Rome is where the car chase sequence,

1:22:37

which is so good. The car

1:22:39

chase sequence, I think again, this

1:22:43

franchise has a lot of car chases. And

1:22:46

the fallout motorcycle chase in Paris

1:22:48

is so good where it's like he's

1:22:50

weaving through everything like magic. And

1:22:52

to do the opposite of it, where they keep

1:22:55

fucking up, the car is weird,

1:22:58

they handcuff each other in the wrong direction. So

1:23:00

she has to drive. They're flipped over. All

1:23:04

this stuff is so clever that they're in the tiny car

1:23:07

and Palm Clemente F is in the giant

1:23:09

car. It absolutely did. And

1:23:11

they're driving in the loop in the third

1:23:13

card.

1:23:14

Yes. The castle of Cheque

1:23:17

Dios for a car. Luigi from

1:23:19

the Pixar universe. Yes,

1:23:21

but yes, no, it feels, the construction

1:23:24

of these things and these are the only movies that are still

1:23:26

made the way that Keaton used to make movies where it's

1:23:28

like, what would be fun to do in a movie? And what's

1:23:30

the logic of that? And like building things one step

1:23:32

at a time and then building story around that. This

1:23:35

sequence is just like good beat after

1:23:37

good beat. And it's not just cool shit happening.

1:23:39

And I just have so many questions about

1:23:41

the logistics of how they shot it because it looks

1:23:43

like, it looks like everything is being

1:23:45

done for real and it looks like the camera is attached

1:23:47

to the car. Yes. So like,

1:23:50

you know, that's insane. Yes,

1:23:52

and Palm Clemente F is playing a character in Paris. Okay,

1:23:55

yeah, we have not talked about Palm yet.

1:23:57

Rest is like a Cirque Soleil member. She's like a

1:23:59

mime. And she loves destruction.

1:24:02

Yes, she loves destruction, but also doing a pouty

1:24:04

face. She's so hot. She's

1:24:06

so hot. She's like fucking incredible.

1:24:09

When she's driving that like

1:24:10

tank, the manic glee

1:24:12

on her face when she's like driving

1:24:15

over smaller cars and like destroying things. She's

1:24:19

almost exactly my age. She's

1:24:21

a week younger than me. Oh, wow. Jesus.

1:24:24

I was born and then a week later, a cooler person was born. A

1:24:26

much cooler person. A much

1:24:28

cooler person. One

1:24:30

of the coolest people alive. She's probably

1:24:32

a pretty cool baby too, like when she was born. The

1:24:35

doctor was like, she's a fucking cool baby.

1:24:37

Jesus.

1:24:38

Yeah, she's awesome. She's in

1:24:40

league with the entity, I guess, as

1:24:43

well, but maybe not as... Like

1:24:45

East Side Morales' character seems to

1:24:47

be sort of like devoted to

1:24:49

the entity, and later we see him sleeping in a

1:24:51

computer coffin that's like, you know, he being

1:24:53

AI into his head. Where

1:24:57

she's more like a contractor assassin. Basically

1:24:59

just like listening to like 10 episodes of the Joe Rogan experience in a row. Like

1:25:01

layered on top of each other. Yeah. Yes,

1:25:05

no, she's like a henchman's

1:25:07

henchman, basically. Yeah, she's really good. For hire. But

1:25:10

she seems more for hire. But you do

1:25:12

get the sense. But more important enough that she gets to like

1:25:15

be in the meeting with Carrie

1:25:17

Ellis later. Yeah, but I also think this choice of like,

1:25:19

she fucking loves this. She loves the

1:25:21

high octane. Right,

1:25:23

exactly. She doesn't really talk.

1:25:26

No. She talks a little later, but largely

1:25:29

she's sort of silent assassin vibes. And

1:25:31

she is kind of like... It's very subtle. Yes,

1:25:34

very subtle.

1:25:35

Dark mirror image of the Grace character,

1:25:37

I guess a little bit. Right. Because there are

1:25:39

two characters here who are potentially

1:25:42

like recruitable in a way. And

1:25:45

I do think Paris will end up being a good guy

1:25:47

in the next movie. Not comfortable with it. I hope

1:25:49

so. The movie keeps talking

1:25:51

about how it's about choices. And she

1:25:53

makes a choice. Right. But also the

1:25:55

entity tells her to make that choice. Yeah,

1:25:58

the entity... Well, the chicken or egg

1:26:00

predicts it. The

1:26:02

entity wants her dead because it thinks

1:26:05

she will be won over

1:26:07

by the fact that Ethan didn't kill her, which it's correct

1:26:09

about. But they show us her

1:26:11

hand moving at the end, right, she's still alive. No, no, she's

1:26:13

definitely still alive. I'm just saying like the

1:26:16

entity predicting that, is

1:26:18

it forcing her hand? Well, this

1:26:20

is how the entity messes with you, Griffin. I

1:26:22

think she genuinely wants to jump

1:26:24

over,

1:26:25

but is that what the entity also wants to

1:26:27

have happen for some reason? I'm saying that's how they get in your

1:26:29

head. That's what I like.

1:26:31

Okay, so Rome is the car chase, that

1:26:33

was really cool. Which is, this is the same fucking,

1:26:36

the staircase. I wasn't in James

1:26:38

Bond. And Fast X. The Spanish

1:26:41

steps. The Spanish steps guys. I haven't been to

1:26:43

Italy. Okay, well, it's really nice

1:26:45

there. And the other Keats house is there. That's

1:26:47

where Keats died, as I talk about very

1:26:49

movingly in our Bright Star episode.

1:26:51

And this film is obviously calling

1:26:54

back to our Bright Star episode. Not even

1:26:56

calling back to Bright Star, calling back to our episode.

1:26:58

Exactly. Well, because Bright Star doesn't go there, but

1:27:00

our episode did. But yeah, it's the Spanish steps.

1:27:02

And yes, Fast X did have a whole room, because that's where

1:27:05

the big bomb ball is rolling around. In

1:27:07

my opinion, a dog shit sequence. And then

1:27:09

you're watching this beautifully constructed.

1:27:11

I think this is much better. I think it's so

1:27:13

much better that I was just like,

1:27:15

God, this is what I want. But no, no,

1:27:17

no, Scott Eastwood. I could have done with him. I

1:27:20

want him cutting in. Hey guys, what's up? On

1:27:22

a walkie talkie. I'm here too. I'm still alive. And

1:27:24

then Jason Momoa going like, wall. Yeah.

1:27:27

I can has cheeseburger. People

1:27:30

are like brilliant.

1:27:32

Good performance.

1:27:35

Smart. That feels like a performance constructed

1:27:37

by the entity. It's

1:27:40

just,

1:27:42

I will. I think that's mean to

1:27:44

the entity. I feel like the entity

1:27:46

is like more perceptive. I think that performance.

1:27:49

It's so mind boggling to me,

1:27:51

but I want to acknowledge that

1:27:54

some people really like it. I think choices

1:27:56

are being made. And I think in an era

1:27:58

in

1:27:58

which very often.

1:27:59

choice-less era. Kind of. Yeah,

1:28:02

yeah, yeah. Very safe. There's

1:28:04

like an appreciation for the fact that he's taking swings

1:28:06

and I'm like, shouldn't there be any cohesive

1:28:09

center to what you're playing? Well,

1:28:11

if I can once again call

1:28:14

back to Indiana Jones, he

1:28:16

chose poorly. He chose poorly.

1:28:19

Like Nicolas Cage, when people

1:28:21

turn him into like fucking just memes,

1:28:23

right? And go like, oh, it's so weird. He like does this.

1:28:26

You could interview him at any moment on any

1:28:28

film and he would explain to you every single thought

1:28:31

and even if it's insane, there's an inner logic

1:28:33

to it.

1:28:33

And Momo is just like, oh, what if I did like Nicolas

1:28:36

Cage shit?

1:28:37

I don't like the performance. I

1:28:40

do like the Spanish step sequence and the general

1:28:42

chemistry, the kind of like

1:28:45

Tom having to put it all together

1:28:47

with Haley Atwell. And she's like, I don't

1:28:49

do whatever this is. Yes.

1:28:52

Where he's like, come on, we'll figure it out. And she's like, I don't

1:28:54

drive minis through

1:28:57

alleyways like with a plumb.

1:28:58

Like the aspect of him teaching

1:29:01

her. That's what I pick. Pockets.

1:29:04

I am rewatching three,

1:29:06

which I have more of an appreciation

1:29:09

for than I did before. Good movie.

1:29:11

A good movie. I really liked the

1:29:14

ending shootout where he

1:29:16

is technically dead. Right. And

1:29:19

Michelle Monaghan has

1:29:20

to. He's like, did it now do this? No. Right.

1:29:24

And I'm like, I'm gonna blow his tutelage and shoot people. But this is also

1:29:26

the sequence that starts with him pretending

1:29:29

to be her lawyer. Correct. Or does

1:29:31

that come

1:29:31

later? I think that's when the

1:29:33

next. No, no, no. That's no. He

1:29:36

breaks her out of prison and then this whole chasing. And

1:29:38

he like directly kind of pegs for whole

1:29:40

story. Right. Where he's just like,

1:29:42

you grew up very poor. You lusted for the

1:29:44

finer things in life or the least of the illusion

1:29:46

of the finer things in life. You're always

1:29:48

on the run. And just gets her

1:29:51

completely reads her

1:29:53

correctly. And me too. Yeah.

1:29:55

Basically reading me correctly. Yes. Creates

1:29:58

this uneasy balance of just like. to

1:30:00

a certain degree she's starting to surrender to him a little

1:30:02

bit more. Right. You also

1:30:04

find out that Morales,

1:30:07

what's his character's name? Gabriel? Gabriel. Gabriel. Like

1:30:10

told her about Tom Cruise. Told

1:30:12

her about Ethan. Uh, told

1:30:14

who about her. That the scene where

1:30:16

you think like, oh, he's winning her over with this

1:30:18

magic proposal. She was like, I got your like face

1:30:20

on a printout in an envelope. Oh yeah, sure.

1:30:22

The entity or whoever. And that everyone

1:30:25

who was hired, right, she didn't speak to Gabriel, right? But everyone who

1:30:27

was hired by the entity was just like, oh, I never

1:30:29

heard a voice.

1:30:30

It was always text communication. Yes. Yes.

1:30:33

Gabriel also, you know, it's a

1:30:36

biblical reference, right? He's like the voice

1:30:38

of God, basically. Yeah. Yeah. He's the archangel.

1:30:40

Yeah.

1:30:41

Okay. So we go from Rome to Venice

1:30:44

and what happens in Venice is that

1:30:46

the entity throws a baller

1:30:49

party. Right. But this is where Elsa shows

1:30:51

up. Tom hugs her. They're

1:30:53

both like, never been to Venice before. Yeah. That

1:30:55

seems hard to believe. It does seem hard to believe, but whatever.

1:30:58

Everyone's the festival. I know. Come

1:31:01

on.

1:31:01

Okay. So I had a lot of questions about this party.

1:31:03

What was the theme? The

1:31:06

theme was the entity. Okay.

1:31:09

Because there were a lot of puffy shirts. That's

1:31:12

kind of the entities thing. Yeah. He's

1:31:14

got real David Copperfield vibes. Okay. Throwing it back.

1:31:16

Okay. I don't know why I'm making him a he, but it's. Vegas

1:31:19

magician. Let's say that. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1:31:21

part of it. Okay.

1:31:22

Um, and

1:31:24

there were some like dancers. Yeah.

1:31:28

Big time entity. Well, look, entity

1:31:30

hired the Paris directly

1:31:32

or indirectly. It's

1:31:35

a part of the mood board. The

1:31:37

entities got interesting taste. Yeah. I like,

1:31:40

I once again, I like the, I think they have interesting

1:31:42

points. Why do you like the entity? The entity

1:31:44

is so bad. No, they're cool.

1:31:45

The entity also it's like against everything

1:31:48

you stand for. What do I like?

1:31:51

Like a craftsmanship.

1:31:53

I do love that. Yeah. You're

1:31:55

very anti AI. I feel I know, but there's something

1:31:57

about the entity. that

1:32:00

kind of wins me over. There's a war touch.

1:32:03

OK, I finally found a picture of Pam Klementiev

1:32:06

as a kid. OK.

1:32:08

She has like a really, uh. She's

1:32:10

cute. She's very cute. I had just girls for like five years of her

1:32:12

fucking Instagram. I was like, surely she posted it somewhere. She feels

1:32:14

like she has a tragic childhood. Incredibly tragic. Oh, that's,

1:32:17

I don't want her. That's very sad. I

1:32:19

don't even know what it is, but I'm already sad. We're not going

1:32:21

to get into it as bad. You can read it. Yeah.

1:32:23

But, yeah, OK,

1:32:26

so party in Venice. And at first, it's a fake out because

1:32:28

you think the party is being thrown

1:32:30

by the white widow.

1:32:31

Yes. Right. Vanessa

1:32:33

Kirby, who's back and

1:32:36

is doing her home and naughty girl

1:32:38

on time. World's greatest. She

1:32:40

wants some weapon. Don't John Locke, right? Or are

1:32:42

you? And then World's fancy is. It sort of insinuates

1:32:45

that she fucked Ethan Hunt. And I'm like, come on. Get

1:32:48

out of here. It feels like it's a mutually beneficial

1:32:50

lie for both of them to pretend that it may be. We

1:32:52

had sex, didn't we? And he's like, uh, sure. Big

1:32:54

time. Yeah, there's no way. Oh, yeah.

1:32:57

In and out. That's how it goes,

1:32:59

right? Sometimes side

1:33:01

to side. No, yes.

1:33:04

Sort

1:33:06

of bumping against like this. Counterclockwise.

1:33:10

Yeah. Vanessa

1:33:12

Kirby, post-Oscar-nam

1:33:15

feeling herself, I feel like, right? Yeah.

1:33:18

A lot of fun. She's fun. Yes.

1:33:21

But yeah, boils down to the same. See her as

1:33:23

Josephine in the Napoleon movie.

1:33:25

Cannot wait for that movie. Ethan starts

1:33:27

to put it all together. This is the entity. The

1:33:29

entity has become like fully

1:33:33

empowered, is reaching out

1:33:35

to everyone, is the one who's pulling all

1:33:37

the strings on all of this. And the entity is present

1:33:39

at the party. All around them. Yeah. They're

1:33:43

partying inside of the entity, basically.

1:33:45

And the entity, and it's all, and I think

1:33:47

this is why this movie maybe hasn't, it

1:33:49

is a lot of these

1:33:51

circular conversations. A bunch of

1:33:53

people in a room going kind of like, well,

1:33:55

what you want is this. And they're saying, well, yeah,

1:33:57

but the entity wants this. And it's a lot of.

1:33:59

like guesswork and alliance

1:34:02

making. It is talky. But it is talky in a way that

1:34:04

I am very nostalgic for, where I

1:34:06

was just like watching this several times, I was like,

1:34:09

Jamel is gonna love this movie so fucking

1:34:11

much. Because his podcast, Clear and

1:34:13

Unpresent Danger, is basically about like

1:34:16

reliving

1:34:17

this era of movies that no one makes

1:34:19

anymore. We were like,

1:34:21

these films that were often categorized

1:34:23

as like action movies or thrillers, and

1:34:25

we're 95% tense conversations in office rooms,

1:34:28

where people have these circular conversations where they're

1:34:30

like, do you understand the implications of what

1:34:32

you're proposing right now? And just

1:34:34

like great character actors throwing heat

1:34:37

against movie stars. And this

1:34:39

has that and also unbelievable action,

1:34:42

fewer action sequences than the last couple of

1:34:44

mission movies. I guess. But on a scale

1:34:46

where you're just like, we're really gonna complain about this

1:34:48

being skimpy. This movie shows

1:34:51

you like five of the greatest things you've ever seen.

1:34:54

It's a longer movie. And so

1:34:56

I guess the action might feel also more spaced

1:34:58

out

1:34:59

because of that. Yeah, and I do think it's like

1:35:02

the haunted quality to this film

1:35:04

is like, because even fallouts like starting to go like,

1:35:07

Ethan, is this shit catching up with you, right? And feels

1:35:09

a little darker, more ominous than the previous

1:35:11

films. This movie in particular,

1:35:13

I think is arguing,

1:35:15

your whole time might be over.

1:35:18

Everything you've ever fought

1:35:20

for might be just irrelevant in five

1:35:22

minutes. Sure, right. I mean, similar to

1:35:25

the Dafgan as well. We don't need people

1:35:27

anymore. This is all gonna

1:35:29

get handled by computers now. But the implications

1:35:32

in this movie aren't like the military is gonna

1:35:34

change. It's like the entire face of the earth

1:35:36

might change. I'd

1:35:40

rather that everyone chill out

1:35:43

and read a book. That's what I would like.

1:35:46

Let me clarify. I don't actually

1:35:48

like the entity, but I am going

1:35:50

to defend to the ends of the earth, the entity

1:35:53

as a villain for this movie. Oh, sure.

1:35:55

I find so thoroughly terrifying.

1:35:58

Oh, for sure. And it's never. without

1:36:01

ever feeling nonspecific to me.

1:36:03

For how many fucking stupid blockbuster films

1:36:05

we've seen where the villain at the end has some giant evil

1:36:07

cloud, right, and you're like, what is this?

1:36:10

That's

1:36:10

true, there's bad versions of this

1:36:13

thing, yeah. The Entity, and

1:36:15

what I think this movie does very well is like sometimes

1:36:17

it is visualized, sometimes you are very

1:36:20

clearly aware of like, oh fuck, it's

1:36:22

the Entity copying Benji's voice, right?

1:36:25

But

1:36:25

then other times in other scenes, in banal

1:36:27

scenes, I'll just sit there and I'll be like, fuck,

1:36:30

the Entity's probably listening to this, right? Well

1:36:32

yeah, that sequence where, is

1:36:34

it Luther or is it Simon Pegg

1:36:36

who puts the car on auto drive?

1:36:38

And then I freaked out. And then you got freaked out,

1:36:40

because you were like, you can't do that! I was like, he's gonna crash, the

1:36:42

Entity's gonna crash the car. It's so successful

1:36:44

in the construction of this movie is it just sells

1:36:47

you that fear so thoroughly

1:36:49

that you just start to question everything in every scene.

1:36:52

And you understand the characters questioning, and

1:36:54

when they're not questioning, you get worried, sometimes

1:36:56

you're worrying about something that's not a problem, but maybe

1:36:59

it is.

1:37:00

I thought the scene where Tom

1:37:02

is running through the

1:37:05

corridors of Venice's back

1:37:07

alleys and getting lost because it's

1:37:10

fake Benji giving him directions

1:37:12

was very effective. And they're

1:37:13

like tricking him into doing one of the scenes

1:37:16

that he knows how to do. And they're like, no, it's a fucking

1:37:18

dead end. At the party. We're distracting you.

1:37:20

Gabriel is very much like,

1:37:23

it is Gabriel speaking for the Entity. Like one

1:37:25

of these girls is gonna have to die. That's your choice.

1:37:27

That's your choice. I know your whole deal. You don't like

1:37:29

people dying.

1:37:31

And as he's running

1:37:33

through the alleys of Venice,

1:37:36

Lauren Bolfe's excellent score is swelling,

1:37:39

swelling. Which let's also

1:37:42

say this movie uses its score a

1:37:44

lot less than the franchise has.

1:37:46

I think the car chase in particular mostly

1:37:48

plays with just the sound, the sound

1:37:51

effects, which I love. It's like very

1:37:53

gripping that you're not being pushed along emotionally.

1:37:56

You're just hearing.

1:37:57

Can we confirm or deny? But

1:38:00

the theatrical experience we

1:38:02

had, were we in rumble seats? We were in

1:38:04

rumble seats. Yeah, we were in Dolby Prime, and

1:38:07

their seats would rumble with the sound. Because

1:38:09

that was insane. It's not full 4EX, like

1:38:11

choreography, but the seats, the seats shake. I

1:38:14

loved it. I thought it was so cool.

1:38:17

And it was especially loud during

1:38:19

the train, unsurprisingly. Yes. But

1:38:23

no, he's running around, and first

1:38:25

Gabriel is fighting Grace, but

1:38:28

then he sort of knocks Grace out, and then... It's cool

1:38:30

knives. He does. He's got these two flick

1:38:33

knives. Yeah.

1:38:34

Did you like that, Ben? Here's Switchblade boy.

1:38:37

Wait, what knives? I don't remember. He has the two

1:38:39

knives. He's knife fighting him on top of the bridge.

1:38:42

Yeah, that's how Rebecca Fergus dies. Yes, yes,

1:38:44

yeah, yeah. And then, yes, she's... Elsa's fighting

1:38:46

him, the score's going nuts, and I'm like,

1:38:48

this is it. Does a palm have a really long sword too? She

1:38:50

has a long sword and a cane, kind

1:38:52

of, you know. And a palm's

1:38:54

distracting Ethan for a while.

1:38:57

Gets rid of her, doesn't kill her. He

1:38:59

lead pipes next to her. Yes.

1:39:01

Right. And then she candlesticks,

1:39:03

so he gets out the rope, and then she

1:39:06

gets out... Is this game a clue? The

1:39:08

revolver. I don't remember all the weapons from

1:39:10

Clue. But

1:39:13

how do you feel, Griffin? You, especially,

1:39:16

the

1:39:17

biggest Elsa fan, I think, in the room. Yeah,

1:39:19

one of my favorite characters. The fact is she is murdered

1:39:21

by knife. It was Gabriel

1:39:24

on the bridge with the knife. In

1:39:27

Venice. Yes, Professor Plum Knower

1:39:29

to be seen. How do you feel about it? She's

1:39:32

dead. Dead in the ground. I

1:39:35

think... Look,

1:39:38

I want as much Elsa as I can get.

1:39:40

I'm immediately saddened when she dies, and

1:39:43

not just emotionally at the loss

1:39:45

of the character within the reality of the film.

1:39:47

But just the loss of Becka Ferg. I'm just like, oh,

1:39:49

she's not in the second half of the movie. She's not gonna be in the next

1:39:51

one. That's a bummer. But